Ask Dr. Drew - The Deep State Media Is Still Lyin’ For Biden w/ Comedian Chrissie Mayr & Author Michael Walsh – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 485

Episode Date: May 25, 2025

Chrissie Mayr is a comedian, host of the Chrissie Mayr Podcast and SimpCast, and a touring performer with her upcoming U.S. tour, The DEI Hire Tour. Her debut album, Live from January 6th, reached #1 on iTunes and Amazon, staying in the iTunes Top 200 for two years. More at https://x.com/chrissiemayr and https://chrissiemayr.com Michael Walsh, a former music critic and foreign correspondent for Time magazine, is a screenwriter, concert pianist, and author of nineteen books, including Against the Corporate Media: Forty-two Ways the Press Hates You and Rage to Conquer: Twelve Battles That Changed the Course of Western History. According to producer Kaleb’s wife, the most important fact about Michael Walsh is that he wrote the iconic 2002 movie “Cadet Kelly” starring Hilary Duff. Find more at https://x.com/TheAmanuensis and https://the-pipeline.org 「 SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS 」 Find out more about the brands that make this show possible and get special discounts on Dr. Drew's favorite products at ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/sponsors⁠⁠⁠⁠  ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • ACTIVE SKIN REPAIR - Repair skin faster with more of the molecule your body creates naturally! Hypochlorous (HOCl) is produced by white blood cells to support healing – and no sting. Get 20% off at ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/skinrepair⁠⁠⁠⁠ • FATTY15 – The future of essential fatty acids is here! Strengthen your cells against age-related breakdown with Fatty15. Get 15% off a 90-day Starter Kit Subscription at ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/fatty15⁠⁠⁠⁠ • PALEOVALLEY - "Paleovalley has a wide variety of extraordinary products that are both healthful and delicious,” says Dr. Drew. "I am a huge fan of this brand and know you'll love it too!” Get 15% off your first order at ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/paleovalley⁠⁠⁠⁠ • THE WELLNESS COMPANY - Counteract harmful spike proteins with TWC's Signature Series Spike Support Formula containing nattokinase and selenium. Learn more about TWC's supplements at ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twc.health/drew⁠⁠⁠⁠ 「 MEDICAL NOTE 」 Portions of this program may examine countervailing views on important medical issues. Always consult your physician before making any decisions about your health. 「 ABOUT THE SHOW 」 Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Kaleb Nation (⁠⁠⁠⁠https://kalebnation.com⁠⁠⁠⁠) and Susan Pinsky (⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/firstladyoflov⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠e⁠⁠⁠⁠). This show is for entertainment and/or informational purposes only, and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Well, here we go, everybody. I'll be watching you of course on the restream and over at the Rumble Rant. We appreciate you being here. We are joined today by Chrissy Mayer. She had a viral video where she was making jokes about Dylan Mulvaney at a comedy club. And she was ultimately pepper sprayed at her meet and greet.

There's a lot here. You got to hear her whole story. And she's become a truth seeker and calling out distortions. And God knows the news feeds are full of them today. So we're gonna see if we can penetrate that with Chrissy today. And we'll be joined by Michael Walsh

who has written like a hundred books or something and movies. And his latest book is Rage to Conquer, 12 Battles that Changed the Course of Western History. He too has a lot of interesting things to say as someone who's been a correspondent for Time Magazine, a screenwriter, a concert pianist, and we will get to them both right after this.

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Chrissy Mayer, she has gone viral for number of her standup routines. Chrissy, welcome to the program. Hi Drew, and yes, your skin does look great. God bless you, God bless you. See, it's active skin repair stuff. So, tell them the story first, what happened when you were making fun of Dylan Mulvaney.

Oh gosh, okay, I was at a club in Dallas. All the way back. Way back, this was just a couple years ago, and I was on stage and I was talking about Dylan Mulvaney because my opener kind of looked like Dylan Mulvaney. And I was saying to the crowd, like, you know, why has it been 365 days of girlhood and still Dylan has, you know, hasn't put in this any skin in the game, so to speak. He hasn't really chopped off anything crucial to his

manhood, if you know what I'm getting at here. And I was like, why? He has all the time, money, resources in the world. You're questioning his commitment to his transition. Yes. Okay. Yes. I'm like, why is he still hanging on to the past, so to speak? Are you married now? Yes. Okay. I was just going to say, if you were out dating, the dating pool might've so-called dried up or shrunk in response to that comment. Oh, oh yeah. That's why I had to.

Do you feel for a man to commit himself? He has to lose his penis, but okay. I had to. Whatever you say. Yes, I'm so glad I locked him down. And a male audience member yelled out, because he's a man. And I said, simply, yes, because he's a man. That's why I said at any point, Dylan could just be like, I'm going to go back to being a man. And now he's just a dude with a tight face. And all of

a sudden I had some land whale audience members yell out, actually, she's a woman. And I was like, Oh no, we have. And they had blue hair. They were textbook looking leftists. I was surprised to see them at the show. And I was like, you know what, guys? Like, this is America. This is what's so great about this country is that we can all have different beliefs.

Some of us can believe in reality and some of us can't. And they didn't like the sound of that at all. They ended up leaving in a huff. They didn't leave right away like I thought they would. They finished their tater tots and then left in a huff. Luckily, they did tip the waitstaff. And as they were leaving, they yelled out, F you transphobe, then proceeded to knock over my entire merch table. They just stampeded through the whole thing. And I warned them to watch out for poachers in the parking lot.

I was concerned that they were going to get hunted for their tusks, but they're fine, I'm sure. And then they complained to the manager of what a horrible person I am. But then the clip went viral. I put it online so it worked out. We all agree. Anyway, so it does make me want to just sort of address something that this is, I don't know if this is your domain at all,

but I've been wanting to sort of bring this up for a while, which is people don't have lost track of what they're even talking about because all you have to do is talk about male and female and stop talking about men and women and the whole thing goes away. There are male biological agents and there are female biological agents.

Their gender can present in a variety of ways. But the- But Drew, what about feelings? Yeah, exactly. But the biology, the sexual biology of either having a single or a paucity of large gametes versus too many small gametes, those are the biological realities of male and female in the animal kingdom amongst mammals, period, end of story.

Oh, but there's transects. Yes, there are all sorts of genetic variants. I could show you some you've never even heard of yet because these were always the domain of the medical system because they required some attention for various reasons that you're not even aware of, by the way, what a Turner's needs or what a Kleinfelter's needs or what their medical liabilities are

and what goes on with their aortic or the aortic valve. You have no idea. So it means nothing to you so Hmm. Let's just go back to male and female Biological agents and stop talking about gender because it's it's too content Chris. You should talk about these things We could add another stripe to the pride flag, you know, we could expand Thank you. I'd like that. Were you always Where did this radicalize you a little bit, this

experience or have you always been outspoken in the direction you were outspoken now? I have always been outspoken, but yeah, this experience did kind of radicalize me even further and it's always a little bit like when you're a chick on stage, I had to make, you know, you're constantly like, am I going to... You don't know if you have to dodge a shoe like Bush or if someone's going to charge the stage or like these women, they're going to run to your dressing room and eat all your food and snacks. So it's good when you can escape a situation like this unscathed. And it's great that I got it on camera. I couldn't believe that this was only a couple years ago that still this woman felt it was this, you know, these, it's a type of heckler that is so arrogant in their

version of reality. Like it was so important that she needed to stop the whole show and correct me and correct this other audience member that she had to put her position above everybody else. And even the show that was going on, it just, it blows my mind that people are this kind of arrogant in their ignorance. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, even without the ignorance, the just being that self-important.

Did you notice, did you see during Marco Rubio's testimony yesterday, and I think it was before a congressional committee, it might've been a Senate committee, where the women and the guy with a collar looked like a priest were hauled out of the chambers. It was really an interesting group of people, I thought. Yeah, just like the group of people that were kind of heckling RFK. No, yes, no, no, they're the people outside the Tesla,

the Tesla dealerships. They all look, and I swear to God, identical to Adam's mom when she was an older, before she became advanced old, before she died. But they all, I sent it to Adam, I go, it's your mom. There's your mom. He's been saying this forever, that he grew up with this, and he had to have his, you know, his mom beat him over the head with this same stuff his whole life, which is why he's so attuned to it

Yeah, he also was telling me I was there back in march about why he has an issue with sandwiches His mother would always make him like very healthy sandwiches with like not peanut butter But almond butter that you had to like, you know, really scrape out of the jar. So I had no idea that he was triggered by sandwiches. You're too young, you're too young to remember. See, I was part of the ecology movement back in the seventies. So I was a full, I was full on board with what his mom was up to.

Oh wow. And what they would do is they would have bread that was sort of like barely leaven, barely made of wheat, you know, it's really sort of like these two cardboard wafers. Like Ezekiel bread, right? No, no, no, that's the man's bread, that's fancy bread. No, this was like something that, you know, like hard tack, if you were in a galleon

in the Spanish Armada out to sea. Other nickel wafers. So hard tack, the hard tack is the best way to describe it. And then they would have essentially crushed nuts, not almond butter. That's the man stuff. Not what Dylan Balbini has, yes. He had crushed nuts.

But you couldn't really use a knife to put it on. You'd have to use a fork to get it out or to come out in a big honk and you'd smash it down further. That's why he can't eat sandwiches. And it's also why I called out the, why I called out, I was questioning the climate stuff early on

because I'm like, wait a minute, I was part of this movement in the 70s. And we were absolutely convinced of many things that turned out to be wrong. Amongst the mess, we had the science, we had the data, we had the math, many things amongst them, including an imminent ice age, guaranteed ice age. We were absolutely convinced of that.

Any minute, well, it may take a few years, but it's coming. And so I gave you some humility. And so when people come in with the absolute certitude about something as complicated as climate, I immediately go, hold on a second. Same thing with the COVID, it's the same thing. Just like, no, no, no, it's slow down.

You don't know you have the necessary data to shut the world down. But the thing that always tipped me off was, if you really were that concerned about climate, you would be going hog full force with CO2 retention, with pulling C2 out of the environment. But no, no, no, no, no. You'd also be going full force at nuclear energy.

No, no, no, no, no, no. So, okay, so are you for climate and CO2 reduction or are you not? Well, we're for complaining about it is really what it gets down to. So- An electric car, forcing really what it gets down to. So- An electric car, forcing everyone to get an electric car.

Unless it's made by Elon Musk now, then it's not okay. Then you have to light it on fire and key it and put fecal matter on it, yes. Yeah, that's good. So what are the lies that are getting in your craw these days? I, it's hard to believe almost anything that, I love Jake Tapper running around going,

look, it's understandable. We just, you know, I was basing this on and I missed it. And I'm humble. He's really not falling in his sword the way I'd like to see it. I appreciate that he's going in that direction. I actually do. But he really needs to go,

I don't understand how I got so far away from reality Who is he trying to fool and I've really enjoyed watching people like Megyn Kelly skewer him recently and just asking him the hard questions and he should just come out and be like We would give him more props if he was the first person to be like, yeah, I was part of the cover-up I'm sorry, you know, I don't want people to think that I'm an idiot. I don't want I don't want Yeah, I don't want people to think that I'm an idiot. I don't want people to think I think the audience are idiots. Just be the first person to come out, have the balls to say, yeah, sorry, we were all in on it.

Because guess what? The people watching are smarter than you think. We know that y'all had the same talking points. How many people were saying, oh, Biden's sharp as a tack. He's sharp as a tack. He's sharp as a tack. And they, you know, there's so many super cuts you can listen to on Twitter of all the mainstream leftist outlets saying the same points. Oh, sharp as a tack. Oh, he's just, he, there was even one clip of Nancy Pelosi. I swear she was just naming senses that he has.

Oh, he has vision. He's got, he's got his sense of smell. Boy, is this guy got taste and touch down and he can hear things. Boy, you wouldn't even know. And I was like, this is giving him props just for being upright now. Just keeping his shoes on. Yeah, somebody said he walked. He was walking. I saw him walking.

OK, that's good. He answered all the questions in the debate. Joe Biden's, you know, I had to give him a pat on the back. Oh, you're just so good. You answered all the questions. Here's your rum raisin. Here's your glass of Metamucil. Here, sit down now. Take a rest. The plan was to do weekend at Biden's until Kamala replaced him. I don't buy that he hadn't, that his nuts or wherever your prostate is. I'm not trying to find out, but I don't buy that he had it that his nuts or wherever your prostate is. I'm not trying to find out, but I don't believe that it hadn't been checked since 2014. That's crazy to me. And I truly believe that Biden could drop dead live on TV and the leftist media would

still call it a gaffe. They'd be like, oops, it's just kidding. And a clip that's been circling around is in 2022, when Biden admitted that he had cancer, he was talking about oil on his windshield as a kid. It didn't make any sense. But what did make sense is he's like, that's why me and so many other people here in Delaware have cancer. And at the time, the leftist media just said, well, he's just it was just another gaffe. And leave it to them to say, you know,

oh, it's a gaffe if you say something true by accident. Oops. Yeah, I feel bad. Right, exactly. It's truly- But let's distill it down. Let's distill it down a bit. There's really, I've thought a lot about this

and there's really only two possibilities. One is he has had cancer for a while. How long unclear, certainly a couple of years I would say at minimum, but okay. And people argue that you wouldn't get a PSA in anybody over the age of 75. Yes, there is some controversy around that,

not for the president of the United States. So either he's had it or he has had substandard health care. It's kind of like what Adam always talks about stupid or liar. So which is it? Are you lying about him having had it or you're just not good at your job? And be fair, he brought his own physician in and And that physician may have had sort of overwritten some of the authority of the Walter Reed physicians who were the highest quality. I promise you they would have been checking the PSA

every year, but what mitigates, what kind of runs against that narrative is this idea, oh, we found this nodule. How did you find a nodule? You have to look for a nodule very hard. So you either had a PSA and you looked, or you were doing digital rectal exams every year, which we don't do anymore.

And then by the way, when you find a nodule, you don't go, oh, metastatic disease. Well, imagine that. Not in someone who's getting healthcare every year. No, not the President of the United States. It doesn't, just to find, that's just shitty healthcare, which is possible. Apparently I heard the nodules

going to be running for president in 2028. So we all should get ready for that. Look, if I'm the president in my even seventies, I would be putting my nuts on the table every day. I'd be like, somebody feel me up. Look, I'd be putting it on photocopiers. I'd be like, I'd have a doctor every day. Feel up, put your fingers up there,

do whatever you gotta do. My health is the most important thing. I just don't buy that he's not getting checked thoroughly. I used to work for a very old man. He's Chrissy. Yeah, I'll get in here. What are you talking about? I'll check things.

Yeah, just get all your hold checks. So what was this very old man doing? I'm not sure I want to know based on the direction we're in here. I'll check things. Yeah. Just get all your whole checks. I'm not sure I want to know based on the direction we're going here. I worked for a very old man. He was going to doctors every week. He had the law on speed dial. That's what rich guys do. They just get obsessed. It becomes their whole personality is going to the doctor. But I did learn through this, what Biden's favorite underwear is. Can you guess? Oh, Fruit of the Loom. Actually, it depends.

Ah ha ha ha ha ha. Very good, very good. All right, well we had to try. Oy. So, I want to take you down another path here. Scott Adams got me thinking this morning and I'm gonna shorthand an argument that he made. I hope I'm not doing his argument,

injustice by compressing it. But fundamentally, I've been saying since COVID that we've been in a delusion. A lot of people in delusion. I didn't realize that a delusion. A lot of people in delusion. I didn't realize that mass delusion or mass formation was still a common, still part of the human experience. I thought that was something that happened

in the 20th century and we got over it. Evidently we, or in 1790 in France or something, but evidently we don't get over it and we do it again. And in COVID, it was super clear there was a mass delusion going on, but that mass delusion may have come on the heels of another mass delusion that had been put in place during the run for president in 2016 by Donald Trump,

where people became convinced in 2016 that Donald Trump was Hitler. That became the, whether it was implanted in their head by the media or it was persuaded or propagandized. It's funny, I just saw Elon Musk today in an interview where they were saying, what did you learn by being in Washington? He goes, I learned how the legacy media propaganda works.

They can, they're very effective. And the guy goes, what are you talking about? Tell me exactly. He goes, like, I'm a Nazi. I'm a Nazi. Me, Elon Musk, I'm a Nazi. I'm a Nazi. Me, Elon Musk, I'm a Nazi. People say that, believe that, that is disgusting. It is wrong.

It's bizarre. But the legacy media did that. And I would argue that they also created Trump derangement. And the Trump derangement includes he's Hitler or he would be Hitler or he's like Hitler. If you believe you're fighting Hitler, you can do anything. Now it releases you from any moral sort of grounding because you can do anything.

So all the lying, the Russia gates, the fine people hoax, all these things become perfectly justifiable because you're fighting Hitler. Do you agree with that construct? Oh, absolutely. And they use it to justify everything they did or didn't report with Biden. And they really took advantage of him. And still.

And they still do. People are putting two and two together. They're noticing he had so much bruising on his hands, likely from some kind of intravenous drug. He wouldn't see his own people that he worked with for months on end. They were really truly hiding him away. But what was the alternative was Hitler. It's perfectly fine to run a dementia-riddled man with cancer because the alternative is is orange Hitler and we can't let that happen and it just it blows my mind the media really taught me that lesson too of you repeat something long enough and have enough people in on it and it becomes part of the the public

consciousness it's really scary what do we do what do do you do with this? Because I don't like delusionality. Look, reality, mental health is about assessing and managing reality on reality's terms. Delusionality is exactly the opposite of that. What do you got here, Caleb? What did you put up there? I can't quite read it. The adventures of the guy who just started paying attention. It's a guy scratching his head saying, MSM doesn't seem entirely truthful. Oh, 2025. Who knows?

Is that me? No, it's everyone discovering all this right now. Like, wait a second. Have they been lying this whole time? And we're like, thanks for jumping on the co-lease of this train. That's what I want to get to Chrissyie on. So what are they lying now? What are the lies that you see out there? What gets in your crosshairs? Oof. It's definitely been all this Biden stuff recently and that we're supposed to believe

that he doesn't have access to the best doctors, that he's just, he hadn't been checked in his whatever area, hadn't been checked since 2014. And we're just supposed to. Yeah, no blood tests. And that they that the left wing media actually thinks telling the world that he's got cancer is going to somehow lessen the blow or that we're supposed to be less critical of his mental state the whole time he was in office. It's not going to happen. It's going to have probably the opposite effect.

Yeah, here's this article from Politico and the post, the audio of the her interview is sparking Biden's apparent memory stumble, sparking his renewed scrutiny. He couldn't remember when his son, Bo, had died. He couldn't get dates straight about when he and Obama had left office. He couldn't remember when Trump had started it's the more he the more you hear of these files the the scarier it is and It's it's upsetting because we know the American people are never gonna get an answer on who exactly

Was running the country for all these years. Do you think that's true? I want to believe that's not true. I want to believe that if we press hard enough and consistently enough, we'll get some answers about what happened here. Same thing with this healthcare. What happened? Somebody needs to be held accountable. They're going to say, look, the nodule was running the country for the last four years. That's what the auto pen was. He just had to sort of crouch down and squirt. So yeah, my suggestion is to make fun of people on Twitter that are that are dumb, but I don't know if that's helpful, helpful advice. Well, it doesn't get them through their delusion. That's the thing that bothers me is delusion does not respond to rational discourse or head on confrontation.

Both fail. You sort of have to let reality creep in by consistently pushing what is true again and again and again over a long period of time. And the fact that people keep sliding out from underneath the truth is what's frustrating. And just keep asking questions. Yeah. If you have a friend who has TDS, oh, Elon's a Nazi, Trump's a Nazi. Just be like, why walk me through this belief of yours? Like if you, if you love someone and you want to have patience, um, I would say, yeah, really have them explain it to you and just think like, Hey, do you think it's possible that he's not? Do you think it's possible?

And I think what is powerful is to show people those clips of the mainstream media saying all the same talking points that starts to, uh, yeah, they're so good. all the same talking points. That starts to a... I love those. Yeah. They're so good. Yeah. And just be kind to your dumb leftist friends. They'll come around eventually. You know, I don't like the extremes in either direction.

I really have just, it makes me very uncomfortable as a moderate. It's just like, because you're going to end up, if you're not careful, you're going to end up engaging in the same excesses as the other side. Now, you may consciously choose to do that to kind of fight back.

I am noticing that lawfare is sort of going both ways now a little bit. And I would object to that. I don't think it's a good idea because it just, you're in an endless conflict then. But I'm wondering if there's a way to do this without sort of those who are distributing out into the extremes.

I don't know, the extremes are fun, Drew. That's where all the cool people are. Well, it's good comedy. Good comedy. I know, Corolla's there. Did you see, speaking of extremes, did you see President Trump with the South African president today? Oh, that was the best. I'm loving this second Trump term so much.

He is in complete, I don't give a crap mode. He had the guy sit down, he just rolled in a big old TV and press play and it was his own government saying, we have to kill white farmers. Just so simple but so effective. And the man was simply speechless. Very cool to see. People miss this one thing that I thought was high comedy, but people are going to make a meal of it. The South African president goes, you know, he's sort of searching for something. And he goes, if I had a plane to give you, I would.

And Trump goes, oh, I take that too. Anyway, let's go back. He goes, I'll take it. Oh, that's great. Let's go back to what I'm talking about here, which is really funny. So, all right, well, what's ahead for you? We got to kind of wrap things or move towards the exit.

What's, where are you going to be? What are you working on? What's your material all about? Yeah. We've got a bunch of new shows. Well, I'm a mom now. And luckily this interview is from the neck down. So you can't see what all the baby weights,

but it's going to come off soon. They say breastfeed, breastfeed. It'll come right off. And I'm like, how many people do I have to breastfeed? It's not coming off. I'm trying to say it's stubbornly stayed there for a year, but we're going to, we're going to, I don't know. We're going to think of something.

Come see me. I'm doing a tour. I'll be in Long Island, Plano, Texas, Massillon, Ohio, San Diego, Phoenix for tickets. Go to my website, chrissiemayer.com, and subscribe to my YouTube channel. Do you ever get to the ice house out here in Pasadena? No, but I've heard great things. Is it, did it burn up?

No, they rebuilt it. It's beautiful now. No, no, no, it didn't burn. And we live right by it, so we can run over there if you're there, so let us know. We'll come visit. We've done that before for some of our friends. And I really appreciate your commitment to comedy

in the sense of having a child to get more material. That's really good. That's really a commitment to your craft. I was getting too old for the single joke, so I was like, I must move on. I must chart a new path. So now I have a mom gene jokes. I'm very relatable and funny.

How old is the child just had a curiosity? 13 months. Oh boy. So you've been through it. So Susan, you want to tell- Still nursing and he's got some teeth. Well, you got to lose that weight. You got to lose that baby weight.

Yep. Susie, you want to tell her, Chrissy about your experience? If you can, if I can get you... What experience? With child rearing. Oh, don't have three at the same time. You had triplets?

Yes. Woo, wow. The first one, like, Slave Man, and then the other two just, like, slid out. No, these were high tech, high risk pregnancy. But then they just hit the ground running. How cool, though, but now you have triplets. Oh, yeah, I do.

Still, I still have triplets. So it's a grandchild. I have one grandchild and it's plenty. Wow. I don't know if and it's plenty. Yeah. I don't know if you saw her little mug on the commercial at the beginning. Oh yeah, she's four months old now. Oh yeah, she's so cute.

Oh, she's so cute. I know, it's such a cute age. So. Yeah, it's the best. Well, listen, Chrissy, good to see you. Best of luck, always funny and entertaining and actually enlightening to talk to you. Oh, there's the baby. That was a couple months ago.

She's much bigger now. Oh boy. She's got her skin repair kit. She's like, I better get a cut of this promo I'm doing here. I know. I know. She does, don't worry. Between Caleb and Susan, they're like,

I got a picture. Oh my God, I have some cute pictures. Caleb, you got to get some new pictures of her. Oh my gosh. All right, Chrissy, thank you so much. Is there a website or EX or where do you want people to follow? Yes, follow me on Twitter, Chrissy Mayer. Follow me on Chrissy Mayer on YouTube. I'm on Instagram, all the places.

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The book we're gonna zero in on is Against the Corporate Media, 42 Ways the Press Hates You. I also wanna be sure the book I've also been mentioning, you keep in mind is something worth reading, Rage to Conquer, 12 Battles that Changed the Course of Western History. Please welcome Michael Walsh.

There we are. Hello, Drew, thank you for having me on, I appreciate it. It is my privilege and thank you for expanding my vocabulary one word at a time. Here's a man Uensis, a person employed to write what another dictates or to copy what has been written by another secretary.

So I'm seeing your tongue deeply embedded in your cheek as you call yourself the man Uensis. Well, it started when I was writing a column for National Review Magazine about 10 years ago, and I created a character called David Cahane, the name of which I borrowed from the movie, The Player, who's the screenwriter who gets murdered by the producer. And so I wrote the character as a crazy Hollywood leftist.

And for years, no one knew who actually wrote that column, and people were speculating, and saying to NRO that you've gone lefty, and who is this person? And I finally came out of the closet as myself, but I decided that since I'd been writing Kehane, I was his amanuensis, and that became the origin of my Twitter handle. And so here we are. I know it's hard to... and that became the origin of my Twitter handle.

And so here we are. I know it's hard to- The rest is history. Yes. And speaking of remembering, I'm recalling that the producer killed the screenwriter behind the Rialto Theater, which you'll be glad to know has reopened

and been restored as a church. But it's still there. It's still there. Wow. I was just in Pasadena on Friday, as a matter of fact, Drew, I just came back from California. I spoke about Rage to Conquer over at the Lux Hotel at an event sponsored by the David Horowitz Freedom Seeker

and the American Freedom Alliance by Karen Sigmon. So we had a good crowd and it was nice to be back in LA. I hadn't been back for a few years. It's not much to celebrate, but we're here. So let's talk about against the corporate media. But I don't know if you were listening at all to what I was discussing with Chrissy, but one of my theories is that the media,

whether it was being sort of actually the individual members of the media literally became delusional and hysterical. And I mean that quite literally, like clinically relevant delusionality, which I saw in evidence during COVID. I mean, I believe that's what happened, but I believe something happened earlier

when either they were manipulated or propagandized themself or bought into as a result of what they were being led to believe, perhaps by the government at the time, that the government was about, I mean, remember Chris Cuomo going, today is a day that will go down in infamy. A Russian operative sits in the Oval Office. He said that with a straight face.

He believed that. That is disgusting. He should be apologizing every day of his life for that kind of insanity. And he should be struggling to kind of understand how he went so far from reality. And they all did, and they all convinced themselves, this man is Hitler, therefore anything is okay.

Any lying, any manipulation. Tell me about your argument in the book. Well, let me just give you a little bit of background on myself. I started in newspapers in 1972. That was the summer of Watergate, and I was a young police reporter, comp reporter at the Rochester New York Democrat in Chronicle right out of college.

And so we learned our journalism craft to report honestly what we saw, to call it as we saw it and without injecting any opinion in the process, in so far as that is possible. But there was such a thing as objectivity. I would disagree with you slightly. I will tell you that, because I've known many of these guys who are at the top of the profession and still in the news right now for 50 years,

half a century, they knew exactly what was wrong with Biden. They lied on purpose. They weren't delusional. They knew it was a problem. If you talk to them privately, as I did many, many times over the last five decades, they will tell you privately, you're right. Privately, Trump is not Hitler. Privately, Ronald Reagan wasn't a cowboy.

Privately, we're not going to start World War III, but they were and are committed, committed to this cause. And I had further experiences during the- The cause being what? Define the cause for me. It's the leftist cause that conservatism is- Is it Marxism? Is it Marxism? Is it socialism? Is it collectivism? What is there? Do they have a cohesive philosophy? Is it John Rawls Is it Marxism? Is it socialism? Is it collectivism? What is there? Do they

have a cohesive philosophy? Is it John Rawls? What is it? Yeah, it's progressivism, I suppose we would call it now. But they tended to be politically liberal from the beginning. I worked at Time magazine, as you pointed out, Drew, for 16 years. And I never had a political conversation with any of my colleagues at time. It just did not come up. But there's been a split, there's been a break. And the old story was that if you were a political activist,

you either went into the law or journalism. If you weren't smart enough to go to law school, you became a journalist. But you were still smart enough to go to law school, you became a journalist, but you were still committed to the social justice cause. And many of these men are my good friends, but I am appalled and ashamed as I write in against the corporate media in my own essay called A Higher Loyalty,

that they chose to deliberately misrepresent the facts that were evident to all of us. And you were right about COVID, about the Russian hoax, all these things that men like you and me and our friends and colleagues called out at that moment and were derided for. They just simply did not want to admit the truth. And what will happen with Biden is, as Tapper showed yesterday with Megyn Kelly, they'll take a certain amount of beating and say, oops, and then they will go right out and do it again.

They will not learn a single thing from this. Well, that's disturbing to me. I want to believe that if we can understand it more clearly, we can at least put some sort of safeguards in place, whether it's just being prepared to do battle in a more systematic way, because it was confusing. And in retrospect, it looks like a Psy-op, right? It looks like when you silence alternative opinions, that's SIOP. That is a, and the fact that the press was deeply into that is far beyond derision and all the way into

a systematic propaganda campaign in which people are hurt and sidelines and pushed aside in the name of this cause. But I want to go back to something you said there about not discussing politics with your peers. I was on CNN HLN for almost 10 years, okay? No one ever told me what to say. They'd ask me, they'd go,

hey, you got something to say this evening? I'd go, fine, I'd care. We'll see you on Anderson Cooper. We'll see you on Don Lemon. Speak your mind, go ahead. They never suggested what I should say. And I had a nightly show on HLN, no one ever said anything about politics to me

until I had a intern who was a journalism student at Columbia. And I'll always remember this. It was probably halfway through my run at CNN, HLN, and she went, well, what's the story? What's the story? And I go, you know, what's the story? This is just a bunch of facts here,

and maybe we can form a theoretical frame for understanding those facts. So stories are false. It's particularly the things I comment on, biology. I mean, it's like, what's the story and the behavior of that cloud? There's no story there. You can make a I mean, it's like, what's the story and the behavior of that cloud? There's no story there. You can make a story and it will be,

it's detached from reality. And she eventually told me, she goes, you know, in school, they're hammering on us that you always have to find the narrative, find the story and don't bother. And I thought, oh, well, this is going to result in really serious problems. And I immediately stopped doing all print interview. I do not do any print interview because if they're going to result in really serious problems. And I immediately stopped doing all print interview.

I do not do any print interview because if they're going to interview you trying to find the story, what are we doing here? The story's what I'm telling you. The old joke is that all journalists deep down inside want to be screenwriters. They do. And that's because the beginnings of Hollywood,

they actually were journalists who went out to Hollywood and became screenwriters. And one of them famously wrote back to his partner in Chicago, one of the Chicago newspapers, you got to come out here, the money is great and the competition are schmucks. And so many journalists feel they've got to frame this as a story. Now, that I'll tell you exactly when this started, Drew, and I can remember, it was the Iran-Contra hearings during the Reagan administration. Now just by way of autobiography, between 1985 and 1991, I spent a great deal of time in East Germany, in East Berlin, and in Moscow, and in Leningrad. What was then Leningrad? I was in Moscow, and I was in Leningrad when the Chernobyl blew up. I left Russia just

two weeks before the coup against Gorbachev. I was in Berlin in 89 when the wall came down, and I have pieces of it here in my house in rural New England. So I was already used to seeing state-run media and how the disparity had opened up in both of those societies between what was true and self-evident and what was official. And that has now come to the United States as far as our media is concerned. Yes. So, Michael, I I wanna share two stories with you. One is I remember in the 70s,

I don't know why it stayed with me so vividly, but it struck me at the time and it just it's come back to me in the recent years and you'll hear why. It was like a news magazine, sort of Michael Wallace or somebody, interviewing a news anchor for Pravda in Moscow. And who are some of the old guys on 16 Minute?

Give me another name. Remember those guys? No, it wasn't Charles Kural. Charles Kural, it was Michael Wallace, that's the right name? I don't think that's the right name. But yeah, Michael Wallace was part of that. There was a whole group of very distinguished journalists. Yes.

Anyway, he went to Moscow. He went to Moscow and he was hammering this anchor. And the anchor finally looked up at him and said, hey, in your country, media is a commercial enterprise. In ours, it is a political enterprise. In either case, there will be distortions. You'll see. It just set a chill down my spine

when I heard him say that. And I would argue that the commercial and the political is sort of blended in this country a little bit. And we're getting this distortions from both. We have drug companies dictating what journalists can and can't talk about because of their funding of the evening news.

And we have people sitting in the anchor seats who believe they have a political agenda. It's the worst of both worlds. That's one story. The other story is I was listening to some French radio a couple of weeks ago, and they had a woman on who became the, essentially the CEO or editor of Russian TV in Paris.

And during the outbreak of the Ukrainian war, they became acutely paranoid about Russians and arrested her for being a propaganda or being a, I forget her name too, I wish I could remember it, but she was certainly a Putin puppet, all that nonsense. And she was on radio going, she's written a book about it. I'm sorry, I can't remember what the book's name is.

I'll try to remember. But it was something like, you know, accused. It was something, you know, like, something like what Zola would say. And she said, you know, she goes, I was just a, I was a French citizen I'd been living here for 15 years and I got a job because I spoke Russian and I was a good at it I managed this television station and this is all paranoia and she says this is the point of this story is the following

She says, you know Russia is not a Soviet system any longer. It's not a Soviet Union in Russia. But the people of Russia have been inoculated against propaganda because of their experience under Soviet rule. They know what propaganda is. They don't listen to bullshit. You people become delusional

when somebody propagandizes you. And I thought, God, she is so right. She is so right. That is absolutely correct. In my time in Eastern Europe and in the Soviet Union, you're generally accompanied by a translator or babysitter, someone to watch, make sure you don't get into trouble. And in my private conversations with them,

they were very frank about the true state of affairs. I like to tell people that in the Soviet Union, when I was there between 86 and 91, literally, almost literally, every man was bribeable and every woman was a freelance prostitute, almost without, within certain age group. So you could get your way by moving in the black interstices of that country. And that's how people flourished. They listened to all the rock music they could get. I had a friend there who basically bootlegged rock albums in the 80s from our American 60s

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the famous great pianist, and President Reagan had us to the White House. And that was the episode where Nancy Reagan fell off the stage, but that's a whole other story. I went on the Lynn Samuel show in New York, and she was the leftist liberal talk show host on WABC, I think. And I said in 86, Germany will be reunited within five years. And everybody laughed at me. And I was way off, because it was three years that Germany was reunited. But if you, this, my point is, if you're a

good journalist, or an honest journalist, you go in objectively without preconditions. And you could see these countries were doomed. They were collapsing. They had collapsed morally, but nothing worked. The place was a mess. It stank to high heaven. There's a smell about communist countries. You never get out of your nose. And so when they both came down, I wasn't surprised.

It's just that we were so committed, and I must say our government, especially the CIA, was so committed to the notion that the Soviets were our antithesis, another first world country with nuclear weapons. And I said, you've got to be kidding. It's a third world country, a peasants with nuclear weapons, which actually makes it more rigorous than you think it is.

So I would just say, you know, to the point about the media, just tell the truth for God's sakes. It's not that hard. And don't let people badger you into framing it into some kind of overarching narrative as you discovered on CNN. So let's talk a little bit about the ways the press hates you. I don't want to give too much

because I want people to go read the book. Give us a taste of what your sort of theoretical frame is there and I'm most interested in what we do about it. You sound a little bit fatalistic about it. I always want to do something. Well, I think being 75 has taught me that wishes and realities sometimes don't coincide. But what we did in this book, as I asked 40 other writers, many people of very distinctive and honorable bylines to attack the media from all sides. So we did it as political

entity. We did it as an entertainment medium. A number of us were critics. I wrote a piece, two pieces that I wrote for the book. One was about my experience as a music critic and functioning in the media. We did it about propaganda. We hit it from all angles that we could. Not so much to say how can we improve because that's the beginning, objectivity. That's been thrown out now, Drew.

It's interesting for me I know some of my old colleagues at Time magazine who are on Morning Joe regularly and have large Twitter followings and have been in the State Department Say there's not two sides to every story There's only one side and they were literally coming out during the election and saying you cannot write anything good about Donald Trump. That is a Violation of journalistic ethics. There is only one story to be told here And when journalism gets to that part and what's the difference between it and Pravda? That was my quick or nothing

Nothing at least at least the people knew what they're being propagandized. I think here people still want to trust it. Yeah, well, there were two newspapers in the Soviet Union, Pravda and Izvestia. And Pravda means truth and Izvestia means news. And people would say there's no news in the truth and there's no truth in the news. And that was pretty much how they viewed their own state-run media. And the sad thing now, Drew, is that a lot of the European media is turning into that. I live in Ireland half the year. I rebuilt my great-grandmother's birthplace. My whole family is there now. And the media in Ireland is entirely state-controlled,

almost entirely. There are a couple of independent voices. But all you hear is the EU, EU SSR propaganda line. Untrammeled immigration is good. National borders are bad. Nationalism is bad. And you see the struggle going on in Europe that frankly we saw in Eastern Europe in the late 70s and into the 80s. It's distressing to watch, but as you pointed out earlier, we never really do learn, we just get to keep doing the same dumb things over and over again. You, well, that seems to be true of historical sweep. I thought we were done with mass formation in 1947 or so,

but turns out not so. But you slipped something in there that is absolutely hysterical. EU SSSR is hysterical. I've not heard that before. That's really funny. It's true. I wish I didn't take it.

It is true. Listen, listen, let's think about the EU. Not elected officials. Right. I believe there are, and I think this number is correct, 100 lobbyists for every single EU representative. They are paid huge amounts of money.

I was listening to an interview with how they're paid. Their base size is $150,000 a year, but they have access to all these other things. They give them millions of dollars, ultimately. And if they're playing the lobbyist game, 100 lobbyists for every EU representative, this is an insanity that I don't understand how they can allow to go on.

And what I'm seeing, you tell me again, I don't know, maybe this is the, compared to your, I don't want to say you're nihilistic, but maybe this is my excesses of youth. Just five years behind you, or seven years behind you. But I'm watching what's happening in Europe, I'm visiting, I've been there, and what I'm seeing starting to happen

in the members of the EU, first of all, I was just in Croatia and Montenegro. Montenegro, not an EU member, doing 50 times better than Croatia. It's obvious. You just want, you land there, it's like, why is this so much better than what's going on in Croatia? But okay.

What I'm seeing is, what I keep hearing in the winds blowing, is this cultural sort of conversation about, well, what does it mean to be French? Or what does it mean to be Italian? Or what is a British? What is the United? And they are, and inevitably that conversation,

it started with me, I was listening to some lectures on Napoleon. And this one Napoleon expert went, you know, he's part of our history, you have to embrace it. And so, yes, he made some mistakes and he tried to clarify the complexity of what was going on.

So it wasn't this kind of weird black white thinking that progressivists get. And now that same lecturer yesterday just put a lecture out about, well, you know what? We relied, the 1790 was a myth. 1789 was a myth. There are lies beneath the pavement, he called it. And I thought, oh, they're really, really trying

to come to terms with things that when they wake up, they're gonna not wanna be in the EU anymore, it seems to me. Yeah, I hope not. I hope the EU falls. It's been very, very bad for Ireland. It's destroyed, as I like to say in Ireland, we were a slave state for 800 years under the British.

They took our language, they took our property, they destroyed our homes, they starved us to death, they put us on coffin ships and sent us out. We had freedom for 100 years and we couldn't wait to give it away to Brussels. Not even, I take London again compared to Brussels. But it's become a slave state of the EU and it's very sad. But you're right, Hungary is a good example. I spend a lot of time in Hungary and that's a wonderful country under Orban. And yet our media treats Orban like he's the second coming of Hitler. It's really discreet. I just think there's not enough honest people in journalism anymore. I think they're all activists now and they're taught to be activists

and they think that's the job. And I come back to, so what's the difference between you and Pravda? In the end, there isn't any. Well, there's a good book, back to my conversation about narrative. Bill Maher recommended a book to me that I'm reading for a second time right now

called Cynical Theories. Have you read that book? Yes, as a matter of fact, I wrote a review of it for some academic publication. I think that's Helen Pluckrose and is it Lindsay? Yeah, yeah. Yes. It's very good.

Yeah, very good. And it's very good. And it reminds us that academia has decided reality must be interpreted, particularly in the humanities, through something called theory, which is a complete misapplication, I dare say an adulteration of the scientific term theory.

It's like they don't understand what theories are. Anything I can think of that somehow is a narrative that frames reality is theory. And boy, that could not be farther from how science has done. Science is you have a hypothesis, you test it. If that test confirms the hypothesis many times, now you have something you can call perhaps a theory.

Nothing, it's perhaps a theory. It's not a description. It's a formal term, but they've adapted. That's where critical theory comes from. That's where critical race theory comes from. These are all just de novo from a group or an individual's mind. Well, I wrote a book 10 years ago

that turned out to be very influential on the bright. It's called The Devil's Pleasure Palace, and it's about critical theory and the Frankfurt School. I mean, that's a whole other subject, but those people applied cultural Marxism, a phrase they deny that cultural Marxism exists, so you know it must exist. And they took it to every aspect of our lives, and it really found root in academia. It started at Columbia and it moved all across the country. And we're dealing with the end stage of that now

with what's going on at our major universities. They're collapsing under the weight, just as communism did, of reality eventually overtakes theory, and theory collapses. Hold on, stop right there. That's very different than your pessimism 10 minutes ago, because that's my, that's the truth,

that's what I hang on to, the notion that the truth has a way of asserting itself. Well, it does. I'm pessimistic about the media as it's currently constituted. Okay, okay. But I think- We'll take care of that with programs like this.

The market will take care of it. Seriously, the market will handle it. This is the thing I saw, was it Joe, somebody talking about, oh, it was Tim Dillon. Tim Dillon was being grilled for, he'd cracked the code. He's like, I'm just a funny guy, speak my mind. People are hungry for it.

The market is determining it. Yes, yeah. I mean, that's right. And that's what's cracking the media finally. And it's why they're collapsing. And it's why Tapper, who by the way, used to be the press spokesman for Chelsea Clinton's mother-in-law.

So Tapper goes back as a Democrat activist all the way back to Marjorie Margolis, Mieszwinski. These guys are folding under the pressure. He'll try to get away with it. He'll say, you know, mea culpa, mea nox me culpa and go on. But I think the audience is on to them. You know, as an author and a screenwriter, you make your living because of your audience, the way you do. And if your audience abandons you,

there's nothing you can really do. You've done the damage or you've attracted the audience and they depend on you to deliver what you believe is the truth. And I think in that sense, the truth will out, but that this media as it's constructed won't survive that, because it can't. The New York Times and the Washington Post

too deep into it now. Well, interesting. I was thinking about, for some reason, it's funny we're having this conversation because I didn't know this is where we're going to go, but I'm realizing as I talk to you, I've had Dave Rubin on my mind the last couple of days in the sense that he had a transformation.

He was speaking to, shoot, I'm blanking on the guy's name. Anyway, he was, you know, quote, Dave Rubin who was a hardcore progressivist at the time was hammering, God, I can see him like he's sitting right here, but anyway, hammering him saying, you know, cops are killing black sitting right here, but any event hammering him saying, cops are killing black men. And he fired back with, what's the data?

Show me the data. And he quoted the data and Rubin was like, uh, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, you know, like smoke coming out of his ears. And that moment is where he started going, wait a minute, I'm being manipulated, I'm being lied to. They planted these ideas in my head that aren't real. And he continued to get back into reality.

I am wondering if he has been in my mind lately because I'm hoping for, or maybe I'm sensing, that more people get to go through that transformation, where at least they could come back to an assimilation of an approximation of reality. Yeah, I hope so too. I mean, he's friends with Jordan Peterson, whom I've known for a long time and respect.

And you're seeing this with someone like Bill Maher, who I met 20 some years ago at the Aspen Comedy Festival. In fact, it was when Cadet Kelly came out. And I said to myself and to others, Bill's not really a hardcore leftist. He's really kind of conservative in his own personal beliefs. He's a libertarian who wants to be left alone to do this and that.

And he now feels, as he says all the time on his show, that I didn't leave the party, the party left me. And you said, Dave Rubin is the same way. And there are a lot of those guys who we welcome them under any circumstances they wanna come and say, yes, this is the truth. This is propaganda. This is fantasy.

Yeah, you know, Bill has always, Larry Elder, who is who I was trying to think of, Larry Elder is who contributed the conversion with Dave Rubin. Bill has always been a truth seeker. He's the one that recommended the Cynical Theory book to me. And I know him well. In fact, he and I bonded.

I went to Amherst College, he went to Cornell back in the 70s, where the pursuit of the truth and careful analytical thought was our 24-7 preoccupation. Some of it was through humanities and some of it was through science when science obviously had a very rigorous approach to it.

We bonded on that. We saw it in each other in terms of how we think and spoke and it really, it created a friendship. He recommended this book and back, and I remember now back when he used to do Politically Incorrect, I used to do that show a lot. And when he got up and said, made a joke about the terrorists that flew the plane

into the building being cowards, and he's saying, I don't know what you can say, the only thing they weren't cowards is that's, he was making a joke, number one. Number two, yeah, it was a little soon, it was hard to swallow. They fired him the next day. ABC, it was on ABC back in those days.

And I called him and said, dude, I stand behind you. You're just telling, you're just speaking the truth is what you always do. You can count on me. As long as you keep speaking the truth, I'm in your court. And I don't know if he remembers that, but I hope he does, because I still feel the same way. You're absolutely right, Drew.

And obviously you've made some journey from X to Y over the course of your life. I mean, in many ways I still am a 60s liberal kid. You know, I went to college at seven. Yeah. I was a college in the 70s. That's why I called into question the climate thing. I'm like, I was convinced we were gonna have an ice age.

There was no doubt in my mind and I was wrong. So it gives you some humility. Yes, right. Well, COVID was obvious to me that it was a scam. The Russia hoax was clearly an op that was foisted on the public via the media. And you say these things, people look like, you're the crazy person.

And then later on, when all the truth comes out and you say, you know, Joe Biden is a rutabaga and has been since God knows how long now, and he's not a nice man. And if you've spent any time around Washington, you know he's considered one of the stupidest and nastiest people in Congress, which is really saying something. And we all knew this. So we're sitting here going, yeah, okay, well, finally, everyone sees that the emperor has no clothes. But it's just about honesty and perception. And as a writer, I tell the truth. That's what I do.

And whether it's in fiction or nonfiction or the books that I edit, I stand behind what I write. And I think that's the only approach life. Let's wrap up with a quick survey of the two books. What are we gonna read about in the Rage, the Desire to Conquer book? Well, that's a sequel to a book called Last Stance, which came out four years ago

and was a big best seller for a Macmillan. And they immediately commissioned a second one and now a third one. It's about warfare, and it's about masculinity. Chris, he was talking about Dylan Mulvaney, and so masculinity, having grown up in the Marine Corps as I did, which is an odd way to path to becoming a concert pianist,

but I had that as a model, as my father served in Korea. He's a veteran of the Chosen Reserv reservoir. He's 99 years old in two weeks I had that as a model and I wanted to write last dance was about why do men fight when all is lost? Why don't they give up and run away? But they don't they sit and fight and they die to the last man and they're proud To do it. It's it's not a question because it's it is who a man is and in're proud to do it. It's not a question because it is who a man is. And in a rage to conquer, I take 12 battles throughout history and the commanders who led them and say what characteristics do they share in person as men, as thinkers, as warriors. So I start with Achilles and then Alexander the Great and Caesar and some generals most people haven't heard of such as Aetius, the last of the Roman generals

who fought Attila the Hun. Napoleon gets a big chapter. And then the third book, which I'm writing now is called The Wrath of God. Give me one of the traits that they share. Hey, give us a taste. Yes, I'll give you a taste. They know when they're in a battlefield situation,

what the other guy did a thousand years before, that they have a kinetic sense of the battlefield. This is really the important thing. Alexander had it, Napoleon had it, which is they know as they look at a battlefield, that what's gonna happen 10 minutes from now. They know where the enemy is going to be, and they're there, and they nail him.

And Alexander did it to Darius three times in a row in his conquest of the Persian Empire. Napoleon did it most famously at Austerlitz against the Russians and the Austrians. Caesar, what he did during the siege of Alesia, Boamond of Toronto in the First Crusade does the same thing to the Turks and the Egyptian Fatimids during the siege of Antioch. So you find these common characteristics. They take command, they're not afraid, and they fight to the end.

Sometimes they lose. Napoleon eventually lost. But you know, you've been to Paris, you know where he is. He's right on display for the entire city to see at the umbilical cord. So I found it very illuminating. And now the third book's about religious warfare and how the most brutal fighting we have is over God.

It's not, I'm not gonna argue that religion is the cause of war, which is not the truth. One might equally argue that war is the cause of religion when you start with the Greeks and the ancient Hebrews and from our common shared from 800 BC on. But they are battles that are very, very nasty because they are civil, in a way, civil wars among sects of either Abrahamic faiths. I'm going to include the Taiping Rebellion in China because it was led by a Chinese man who thought he was the brother of Jesus Christ and was fighting for Christianity in China when General Gordon, who later died at Khartoum,

was hired by the Chinese government, put this rebellion down. So you find all these common threads and you link them up, and here you impose a narrative. I mean, as a writer, you're allowed to do that with these big books, because you have to have a framework,

why am I talking about this? But once it gets going, it's hard work, but it's a lot of fun, and the readers have responded very well, I'm happy to say. And then give me a couple of the ways the press hates us as a taste for promo. The press believes, this is kind of simple,

that whatever they tell you is for your own good and that you're a troglodyte and a Nazi and whatever if you question what they do because their virtue like Calpurnia is beyond, you cannot question it and they've been in this business, I mean I've been in it 50 years off and on. I did a 25 for real. And they believe they're sort of a priest class to government. And they really are the handmaiden of the state. And I would hope that the young reporters who start way too early and get public platforms because of the internet far too soon, so that they embarrass themselves with silly positions when they're 25 that even years later,

they're ashamed of. I wish we had a better media. I wish that reporters started the way my generation did, which was as a police reporter in a small or medium sized city. So you saw violence, you saw social problems up close. You couldn't just read about them. You actually had to be there, you know,

when you see your first corpse, when you see that when you smell the first house fire and you'll never get that. And you have this visceral reaction to these things. If all you know is what you read on the internet, you don't really know much at all, unfortunately. The-pipeline.org, is that like a Substack? What is that?

Yes, it's a website, it's moving to Substack and it was for four years, I had a number of writers writing every day, mostly about energy issues, climate change. We did a lot on the COVID hoax from the beginning, which I'm assembling into. But it's now become more or less my personal website. So you can see the hyphen pipeline.org or Michael Walsh

at the pipeline on Substack. And I'm writing once a week there and then I'm interviewing people that I think are interesting once a week as well. So maybe we'll talk again in that form at some point soon. I love it. I would love it. And follow him on the Emanuensis on X at the Emanuensis.

And you said you've compiled, you're going to compile a book on the COVID hoax? Yes. Yes. I'm calling it, after the Journal of the Plague Year, just like Daniel Defoe's 50th. Hysterical, please come back and discuss that with me here. I love that.

And then Caleb, you keep throwing up your enthusiasm for the movies. I want to give you a chance to pull that out. My wife says I have to highlight the greatest project of your life. It's not all your 2040 books. It's that you wrote Cadet Kelly starring Hilary Duff. My wife. I have

so many OMG texts when I mentioned that to her. She says it's a classic. You know, it was the first, well, the only movie that I've gotten actually produced and made. I've sold enough scripts to be a lifetime WGA writer now. But that was the easiest project in the world. My writing partner, Gail Parent, brought me on because I knew something about military stuff. And we wrote the script and Disney approved it. And the only hiccup in that movie was at one point our creative executive said, well, we have a little problem with standards and practices. I said, what was it? Now the movies were done, the scripts done, everything done. She said, I was it? Now the movies were done, the

scripts done, everything done. She said, I don't think we can use guns in this movie. Oh boy. I said, it's about a military school and a drill team. That's what they use. So there is a disclaimer on this movie that says no actual guns were used in the making of this movie. Yeah. But it was, and Hillary was great and it was the highest rated movie and the highest rated show of any kind on the Disney Channel

when it came out in 2002. I have run across Hillary a number of times down in Chelsea. I think that's where she lives in New York City and she always seems like a real person. And so good for her. Yeah, I was very glad that she did a great job in that picture. Yeah.

Well, Michael, thank you so much. We will check you out on all the platforms. We will get the books, we will read the books, and we will look forward to the, name again, the COVID book, it's the, the journals of the plague. A journal of the plague year, just like Daniel Defoe's famous- Journal of the plague years.

About Britain in the- Journal of the plague years, also the love and the time of cholera. So it's- How about people? Call us with that back a little. All right, my friend, thank you so much. I appreciate you being here.

Okay, thank you, Drew. I appreciate it. You got it. All right, very fun. All right, let's see what's coming up. I've got a lot of, we can't even, some of the Drew, I appreciate it. You got it. All right, very fun. All right, let's see what's coming up. I've got a lot of, we can't even do, some of the guests are moving around soon. I haven't really on the calendar yet.

Viva Fry, Amanda Head, Peter Downey, Tomorrow, Clayton Baker got written a great book, and got Lee Meng Yan back in here on Tuesday. Naomi Wolf, Simone Gold, let's see. Emily Hagen's gonna come in here, that'd be fun. Shani McCarthy, we got her down for the six. Mark Cienchisi, my favorite cognitive psychologist and physicist.

Jenny has been very kind, sent my wife, who I think is listening if she's not asleep yet, we're having terrible jet lag, the two of us, an extraordinary gift basket of her materials. And Susan Pinsky is a discerning makeup consumer and a brush consumer. And she is raving about the products that Jenny McCarthy has. So I would consider that a resounding endorsement

of the work she's doing. So we'll get to that. And also we're going to talk, Jenny, I want to apologize to her. As you know, I'm looking for every opportunity I have to apologize for things I've gotten wrong. Even if I wasn't way wrong, I still, if it was in any way dismissive of somebody else's opinion,

I want to apologize. Caleb, anything else on your radar? Nope, I'm just real excited for the next shows. We have a bunch of good ones coming out. Great. All right, we will see you all then. Tomorrow is, this is now Wednesday, Tuesday Thursday, tomorrow at two o'clock. We'll see you there.

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