Ask Dr. Drew - The Peer-Review Process For Covid PCR Tests “Was Rigged” Says Dr. Simon Goddek… Then Twitter Banned Him – Ask Dr. Drew – Episode 203

Episode Date: April 14, 2023

In 2021, Dr. Simon Goddek raised concerns about the unusually rapid peer-review approval process of Covid PCR tests, concluding in a Twitter thread that the processed appeared to be “rigged.” After going viral, Dr. Goddek was promptly banned from Twitter – and it took over a year for his account to be reinstated. Why silence Dr. Goddek if “the science” fully supported their claims? Dr. Simon Goddek has a PhD in Biotechnology and is a Science Journalist. He is the CEO of the Vitamin D startup Sunfluencer, a comprehensive vitamin D solution that includes vitamin D3, quercetin, and zinc. Follow Dr. Goddek at https://twitter.com/goddeketal and learn more about his company at https://sunfluencer.com/ 「 SPONSORED BY 」 • THE WELLNESS COMPANY - Counteract harmful spike proteins with TWC's Signature Series Spike Support Formula containing nattokinase and selenium. Learn more about TWC's supplements at https://twc.health/drew • BIRCH GOLD - Don’t let your savings lose value. You can own physical gold and silver in a tax-sheltered retirement account, and Birch Gold will help you do it. Claim your free, no obligation info kit from Birch Gold at https://birchgold.com/drew • GENUCEL - Using a proprietary base formulated by a pharmacist, Genucel has created skincare that can dramatically improve the appearance of facial redness and under-eye puffiness. Genucel uses clinical levels of botanical extracts in their cruelty-free, natural, made-in-the-USA line of products. Get an extra discount with promo code DREW at https://genucel.com/drew 「 MEDICAL NOTE 」 The CDC states that COVID-19 vaccines are safe, effective, and reduce your risk of severe illness. Hundreds of millions of people have received a COVID-19 vaccine, and serious adverse reactions are uncommon. Dr. Drew is a board-certified physician and Dr. Kelly Victory is a board-certified emergency specialist. Portions of this program will examine countervailing views on important medical issues. You should always consult your personal physician before making any decisions about your health.  「 ABOUT the SHOW 」 Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Kaleb Nation (https://kalebnation.com) and Susan Pinsky (https://twitter.com/firstladyoflove). This show is for entertainment and/or informational purposes only, and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. 「 GEAR PROVIDED BY 」 • BLUE MICS - Find your best sound at https://drdrew.com/blue • ELGATO - See how Elgato's lights transformed Dr. Drew's set: https://drdrew.com/sponsors/elgato/ 「 ABOUT DR. DREW 」 For over 30 years, Dr. Drew has answered questions and offered guidance to millions through popular shows like Celebrity Rehab (VH1), Dr. Drew On Call (HLN), Teen Mom OG (MTV), and the iconic radio show Loveline. Now, Dr. Drew is opening his phone lines to the world by streaming LIVE from his home studio. Watch all of Dr. Drew's latest shows at https://drdrew.tv Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Welcome, everyone. Appreciate you being here. We're out on Twitter spaces, and I'll be taking your calls there later on in the show. But first up, we're going to welcome Dr. Simon Goddick here. He had some concerns about the unusually rapid peer review process for a COVID PCR test. He raised that question, and antics ensued, both in terms of trying to determine what happened to the peer review process. He felt that it might have been rigged, and he has quite a story to tell us. He is a PhD in biotechnology. He's a science journalist. His Twitter handle is Goddick, oh boy, et al, Goddick et al, G-O-D-D-E-K-E-T-A-L, meaning Goddick and his co-authors.

You can also learn more about his company at Influencer.com. But we're going to get into this, talk more about what he observed. He has been in other countries during much of this. And so it's just so odd how much of this captured the entire world. We'll get right into it after this. Our laws as it pertained to substances are draconian and bizarre. The psychopath started this. He was an alcoholic because of social media and pornography, PTSD, love addiction, fentanyl and heroin.

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But thank you for following us. We appreciate it. I think Dr. Goddick has generated some excitement, as I said, because I'm seeing a lot of activity from multiple sites out there. So thank you for being here. And I will try to take some calls off Twitter spaces a little later. As I said, Dr. Goddick is a PhD in biotechnology, a science journalist, and raised some questions, as many people were trying to do during the COVID outbreak. And in his case, of course, he was canceled and sent off Twitter.

And when he was reinstated, he wrote an interesting thread that caught my attention. And thus, we are able to talk to him today. So please welcome Dr. Simon Goddick. There you are. Hey, good evening, or good afternoon in your case. Thus, we are able to talk to him today. Please welcome Dr. Simon Goddick. There you are. Hey. Good evening or good afternoon in your case. Depending where we are.

Yes, indeed. Tell us the story of what happened. Where were you? It's just so odd to me that the entire world was captured in this extraordinary mindset, hysteria, let's call it what it was. And some of the things that were perpetrated as a result are just mind boggling, but what was your story? So where should I start? So I think the best is to start in 2020.

So when COVID hit, I was, excuse me, I was a normal scientist in the Netherlands at Wageningenagen university i was doing research on bioreactors on how to reduce fish sludge and turn this into nutrients so things probably people don't don't care a lot about but it was like my topic um and i was doing i was doing my job and then covid hit and we were told, okay, there's a dangerous virus. And I thought like, okay, all right, let's see what's going to happen. And it was like 2020.

And I think it was by May when I was wondering, why aren't they talking with vitamin D? Because I did some research on vitamin D in the past. And I was just wondering, why don't they give health advice why they just lock us up why are they just telling us to to stay inside to use masks to to not go to the sports club to do crazy things that don't make any sense can I let me let me interrupt yeah let me interrupt yes um which is that not only that there there was even at the beginning there was nasal lavage, there was vitamin D, there was maybe zinc and quercetin, and people could argue about it, but there was things to talk about. There were things we could do, not the least of which were what to do when you got sick,

monoclonal antibodies and what things were working. That, to me, was the role of public health. Where do you think that got lost? I have a theory now, having talked to a lot of people like yourself that have been cancelled. Why do you think that got lost? Well, I think they tried to cancel us since the beginning. I got the feeling because I wrote a... Maybe to push the vaccines. Maybe to control us. maybe to push the vaccines maybe to you know you know what i think i i think now i think that there is a world and you're a scientist you'll have been around this

there is a world of pandemic preparedness there are pandemic preparedness professionals now that we didn't have 15 years ago. And these people are hammers looking for a nail. And there's lots of them. And they ran war games. And they had just run a war game on a coronavirus two months before the coronavirus hit. And they had decided in that war game how they decided in that war game how they were going to proceed with this. And that's how they proceeded. And then when China brought up the whole phenomenon of lockdown and lied about its efficacy, and then when the Lombardi politicians

got a hold of that false information, used it as a reason to bring sort of a Chinese-style government policy to Lombardy. And by the way, they were explicit about that in a book, not to improve COVID, but an opportunity to bring that style of government to Lombardy. That was when the rest of the world suddenly panicked and locked everything down without any good science. So there was pandemic preparedness and all these people decided that something like this was the right thing to do. China convinced everybody that they had done it and it was right. And then Lombardi did it and everyone else just sort of panicked on the heels of that.

Does that sound about right? Yes, but they did this all over the world. Don't forget about that. They did it in Italy with the Bergamo. They did it in Germany, the Netherlands. It was all the same story. It was like the WF story. It's like build back better. It's the new normal. It's time for the great reset. So it was one orchestrated thing. But I didn't understand this in 2020. I mean, I thought I was even in April, I bought some shares of flying companies, of airlines, because I was like, okay, if it's a seasonal virus, everybody will be traveling in September

again, which was a big mistake. As I said before, I was writing this vitamin D publication and yeah, I got canceled, almost canceled because of this. So my university back then received many emails like, okay, look, there's this Dr. Simon Goddick. He's spreading dangerous misinformation. He has a paper in vitamin D. It's dangerous. And even I got retraction requests for a period scientific paper. And that's when I totally woke up and I was like, okay, it's really not about a virus.

It's about something else. And this was around August, September, 2020. That was around the time I created or like I used my Twitter account. I created it in the beginning of 2020, but I didn't use it. And I think my first tweet was in November, 2020. And I looked on Twitter because I was interested in what was going on before that I didn't care. I thought like, it's just like a phenomenon for two or three months or four months, and

there would be no more talk about COVID within a month. You know, but they continued, continued, came up with new variants, and I was lurking into Twitter to get information. And so here you were, you did some research on vitamin D, you're aware of vitamin D impact on health and it seemed to have an impact or either an association, if not a causative impact on outcomes with COVID, sounds terribly dangerous to me. What in the world? on outcomes with COVID sounds terribly dangerous to me. What in the world?

Do you have a theory about why they would take their colleagues? And was it just mass formation psychosis, as some people have suggested? Or was there, do you have another theory? No, I think it was mass formation. I mean, even though my colleagues at the university, they backed me in the beginning. So at least the colleagues said like, your paper is solid.

There's nothing we can say about this paper. But it didn't get the attention it should have gotten. Because what we saw, I did some small review on that, that everybody who had a blood serum level above 50 nanograms per milliliter just even wouldn't get sick. So there's some correlation. There's some very strong correlation.

And this was just being ignored. And they pushed for an experimental vaccine. They just were pushing, pushing, pushing. And everything that could go in the way, which means vitamin D or, I mean, it's a non-go word, but ivermectin also had some good results in the, at least in the Bivari papers, Bivari studies. Yeah, they were all counter attacked more or less. So I love this one. And so what happened? So I went on Twitter and I posted my vitamin D paper, my personal vitamin D paper that got peer reviewed.

And yeah, Twitter banned me for that for at least, I think, three days and they took it off. And that got me thinking. Was it in English? Was it in English or in dutch of course it's an i i i've never written any publication in dutch it's like everything we do is is in english so it's an english publication um just type in goddick vitamin d and k2 vitamin k2 and you find the publication i think it's an on number one of google totally at the top and so it's it's very easy to find yeah and so

that probably came from this country right and i suspect that would be our the twitter itself in san francisco and the government agencies that were urging twitter on to silence anything which is just so crazy super if you're a scientist it you can't appreciate how odd that is it's just the contrary of how our how the scientific enterprise operates what did you think at the time and then what happened next so yeah it was it was labeled as covid misinformation dangerous dangerous code misinformation and then i i, inside myself, I radicalized not publicly, but I was I was getting I was getting mad and angry. And how why do they silence a scientist with an important message? And the next is I learned about this Drosten COVID protocol papers was protocol.

He didn't invent the test. He wrote was protocol. He didn't invent the test. He wrote this protocol. And I learned that the peer review process was very quick. And by the time I was an editor of a quite well impacted journal, and I was looking through the process itself. So I learned that he passed peer review, said the peer review within three and a half and 27 and a half hours.

This was the time window. And I was like, this is impossible. I mean, like there's also night in between. So I mean, distract these 12 hours where people sleep and exactly there. And that's what made me think. And I wrote a thread about it in January 21, explaining how the peer review process works,

all the steps from submission to the peer itself, to the editor finding reviewers, typesetting, that it takes between six months and even two years. I've still a paper that I've wrote in the review process. It's two years that passed. And three and a half to 27 and a half hours is impossible. It's literally impossible. And I was just stating that. I wasn't even saying, hey, Drosten, you're a criminal. you should go to court, you should go to prison. No, it was just stating a fact that this is more or less impossible. Or it would be, just imagine, I don't know how athletic you are, but it's like, imagine you running 100 meters against Usain Bolt, and he would do it in 9.5 seconds, and you

would do it within two seconds. People would say, like, oh, Dr. Drew, how did you do that? And you're like, oh, it's fine, I did you do that? And he said like, oh, it's fine. I'm athletic. So it's impossible. It's impossible. Yeah, so the implication is there was no peer review process, right?

I don't think so. I don't think, there's no proof they didn't want to. And have they published the peer review sort of analysis since that time? We asked them. We asked them. We asked them. Yeah. Of course not.

They said we can't do it because... Should I continue? Or do you want to have... Always, always, you keep going. The back and forth here, there's a second off. I'll defer to you always. All right. So what happened is that we asked them to publish it and they said like they couldn't

because they don't want to. It would. They don't want to publish like private data of the reviewers, but all review processes are anonymous, has to be anonymous. So they lied about that, too. So there was nothing they they were able to show. And there is nothing they can show because there was an imperious process that happened.

Otherwise, he would already have sued me. So now you became sort of internally radicalized, as you say, which I love that term. And, and, and did you start campaigning looking at anything? Did you get more trouble? What happened? Well, the trouble I got is I got immediately, I think, thousands of followers on Twitter and attention and attacked by virologists from the Netherlands, from Rotterdam University and Utrecht University. They were just doing a domino, so they were not addressing the facts that I presented. They were just going against me. They were contacting my university.

It's Wagen University. It was Wagen University. Yeah. And I got dismissed in March, like just like, I think six weeks later. Um, yeah, the official reason was the commerce position. Yes. Yeah. That's what the official reason was. How dare you?

Yeah. The official reason was like, um, I, I ran out of contract, but I got follow-up funding myself. So I was writing the proposal, so I got it myself, the follow-up funding. And I said like, hey guys, I have funding. I got it for the university that I've written in free time. They said like, thank you for the money. We will take another scientist who is less critical. That's what they said.

And that's unethical. Yeah. And this is all and were you were you saying anything else publicly where they could point at your opinions and it wasn't just about the vitamin d were you were you taking on the question of you know other things that we could do that we have repurposing of available drugs that sort of thing no vitamin d was the beginning but they were backing me, but that already caused a bit of trouble.

And then, of course, it was like all the emails they received, all the complaints, because what I said on Twitter, especially against Drosten, Martin Koopmans, was co-author, and who is the Dutch state virologist. So I think it came from her. Yes, here we go. And the thread we just had up, is that something you put up

after you came back to Twitter a year later? Or was that what got you taken off Twitter? So this little graphic was what I wrote in the very beginning, my first week on Twitter in 2021. That's why here I said like, in this thread, when I got back in January this year, I was just like telling, look, this is what happened.

This tweet went viral in the beginning. This got me in trouble. And shortly after, I got fired. And I wrote this funding application and I got a job in Norway. So that's where I started working. And I didn't have any issue there because I got kicked off Twitter. So they didn't get any feedback about me. So usually, you know, people, all these, I call them trolls, they always address your employer. But there was no one to address because I call them trolls, they always address your employer.

But there was no one to address because I wasn't there anymore. I got kicked off for asking a question. I was asking why Bill Gates was investing into Biontech in September 2019. And I was linking to his foundation website. And I got kicked off for that tweet as misinformation, but I was just like referring to Bill Gates website. So I was asking questions and I got I got kicked off in June 2021. And as this was unfolding, what did you imagine was happening? Well, how did you interpret all this? Yeah, I mean, it was clear it was silencing opinion.

I went to court here in Brazil because I moved to Brazil because of some more issues I had in the Netherlands, like police at the front door, bank accounts frozen. So very little things that happened. And I was like, OK, this is not the place to be. So I moved to my girlfriend in Brazil, we lived together. And I was doing Twitter here in Brazil and I lost, not because the judge said what you wrote could be totally fine, but Twitter can decide who is on the platform and who isn't.

So this is the law in Brazil. And I was, yeah, there was nothing else i could have i could do so i just left twitter so do we know what you know the thing here is our government got involved in silencing citizens of this country uh were you in part of that mess you think i don't know you're not a citizen yeah no but i ask l Elon Musk to at least let everybody have access to our Twitter files because I would like to know why exactly this helps me and what I did wrong. I think at some day we will have access, but until now I haven't seen anything. The only thing I can imagine is that I was questioning the vaccine, promoting vitamin D, and asking questions about the genesis of the whole pandemic. I think they didn't like that.

So I've had concerns not so much about the peer review process, but about the editorial process. Things are showing up that go a certain direction and there's no contrary opinions on various topics, very much like what you experienced. Did you have any more insights into that? I mean, obviously, let's put it this way. It was emergency circumstances. People were taking extraordinary measures. They were pushing therapeutics through. They were obviating the peer review process. If they did that, I'm sure they thought they were pushing therapeutics through they were obviating the peer review process

if they did that i'm sure they thought they were doing it because it was such a dire emergency okay but are they going to admit it now are they going to look at what the choices they made is anybody going to take responsibility and evaluate what happened to see if there's something perhaps we might do differently next time? And did you see any evidence of editorial adultery? I've seen this. I've seen this, at least for the paper, for the PCR paper. For example, Christian Drosten, the corresponding author, is in the editorial board of the EU-owned journal Euroservience. So it's a journal that's part of the European Union.

And Christian Drosten, the corresponding author of this PCR protocol, is part of the editorial board of this journal. That sounds highly corrupt, doesn't it? So you have to ask yourself, how is this even possible? And if you then know that yourself, how is this even possible? How is this even possible? And if you then know that Christian Drosten developed this protocol together with his best friend, Olfert Lund, and he made billions, billions selling the test, billions, like billions US dollars selling the test,

that just raises, that just lets the alarm bells ring. Was the test okay? Was the test flawed in some way? Do we even know? So I have another paper. It used the Bayes theorem. And we've seen up to 90% false positives in the Netherlands.

So I wouldn't even say that it was okay, at least not with a high cycle threshold. There are many open questions that are still remain that still remain unanswered and we keep on asking them but there's not a lot happening now but i hope in the future at least i see the tables are turning in many states in the us and also in several countries in europe like i think uk and norway and others so i think we will get answers within the next couple of years so you i want to unpack something you just said so you said you use bayesian bayesian theorem So I think we will get answers within the next couple of years.

So I want to unpack something you just said. So you said you use Bayesian theorem, Bayesian reasoning, and high cycle thresholds. Explain to people what you mean by that. So the problem with the PCR test is, at least in the original Drosten protocol, you use a cycle threshold of 45, which which is every cycle is like amplifies it by 10 um which is which is an issue and to say it like that if if i tested myself with a pcr test with 45 on on um some sand or like particles from, I would probably find them on myself. So you find stuff that's very unlikely to find. So if you want to find,

if you want to create a pandemic, you do this. You create a PCR protocol, you put the CT between 35 and 45 and you test healthy people because you spread, before that you spread the myth of asymptomatic spread. So that's how you create cases and that's what they did. And normally you have what?

20, 30 cycles? I think 20 until 25 is more than sufficient if you want to show a particle. Didn't it eventually back down to 20 i don't think so i don't think so netherlands always used to very high when i don't know what

it was like in the u.s and what was the defense we're going to be they want to have more more sensitivity and at any cost there is no defense They just don't defend themselves. They just ignore them. Right. Well, I'm just, I'm always trying to think about the other side of the table. And what was, what, you know, again, it was an emergency. They were trying something. They, I don't, I don't want to attribute sinister intent to everybody. I want to assume that people are trying their best in an emergent situation. But the point is, the sinister part is bad judgment, bad reasoning,

bad problem with the editorial and peer review process, and disgusting that they ruined the lives of their peers. Disgusting. So that's, for me, where they went over the falls. Short of that, I'm like, all right, it was right it's emergency emergency they're doing things made mistakes now they need to talk about those mistakes but of course they're not and and then the behavior uh against people who were raising questions was just disgusting and should be i mean the where are the journalists why aren't journalists writing stories about this raising questions questions? You're a journalist. What's happening?

I just became a journalist because I was fired again after coming back to Twitter. So I just turned myself into a journalist. I'm just a journalist right now because everybody can be a journalist because I'm doing the work that real journalists don't. But if you look at who owns the media, who owns The Guardian at who owns the media, who owns The Guardian, who owns the CNN, who owns German and Dutch media, it's almost all the same people. So I think most of the journalists don't have any other chance

than writing what they have to write, what they were being told to write. So there is hardly any criticism because it's journalism mass formation as well. You had a job in Brazil you got fired from? What did you do now? What did you do now, Simon? So, nothing.

I'm now a CEO of my company. I'm working, I'm writing articles for Brownstone Institute. That's what I'm doing. No, but what happened? What happened that you got canceled there in Norway? Oh, I just got Twitter back. So I got Twitter back so i got to her back with uh with 35 000 followers i lost 10 000 during the one and a half years um and yeah i got quickly up to 300 000 now within two months

and i got i got fired just for being active on twitter because they received many complaints about what i say yeah you know what kinds i'm wondering what kinds of things you're saying that are getting you in trouble. I don't know. I sued them. They didn't want to tell me. They didn't tell me any reason, but just like orally I was being told. External communication, and we know what this means.

And they always refer to my Twitter account. There's no single tweet they pointed out, and there's no reason they pointed out. So now I took them to court. That's the way to go. All right. We are going to take a little break here. And what I want to do is maybe take some calls off Twitter spaces. So those of you there that want to come up and interact,

raise your hand, push the request button, and we'll bring you on up and you'll be streaming on multiple platforms. Caleb, am I seeing Rumble on the restream? Is that what's showing up there in that red circle? I don't know what that is. It doesn't look like Twitch or Facebook, or is that now YouTube? I guess that's YouTube.

I have a new icon for YouTube is what's happening there. Yeah, that might be YouTube. There were some strange issues happening earlier, but it wasn't on any of our sides. It was something with the internet where it cut off the stream, but I think it's all gone. I blame Simon Goddick.

He clearly is a troublemaker. And anything he touches, he seems to destroy and turn to, which I still can't figure out why that is happening to you. But if anybody else has any questions, I see some hands going up there. You'll be streaming out on multiple platforms. And I know we had a minute where Rumble was locked. Again, that was not us. That was happening on the Rumble end. And we'll be right back after this. Springtime is here. And personally, I can get red and irritated skin during these months, especially when I travel. But now I have an extra layer of protection thanks to GenuCell Skin Care. GenuCell's Ultra Retinol, formulated with the most powerful retinol alternative, Bacuchiol, and proprietary MDL technology,

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We have Dr. Simon Goddick with us today, a biotechnologist, now a journalist. So, Simon, humbly, I'm a little surprised when I go on your Twitter feed that you would say you don't know why your Norwegian employer would have issues with some of the things you say. So I have questions. I have questions. Here's something I'm going to read. May I read something from your thread? This is one I am and can read. A lot of them I can can't read uh because i

would also get canceled hey professor emily oster on a scale from one to stalin how authoritarian do you rate your statement from back then uh so except for these non-inflammatory and you seem to have lots of opinions about things going on in the United States, which I find surprising. Talk to me about this. So yeah, I've been calling out some people. So while I was cancelled, I made an archive. Maybe that's not a humble thing to do, but I was looking at what people were saying, how we were getting discriminated, like they discriminated against us. So I was collecting the worst 500 statements, just like, oh, I love when you guys die, or you guys should die, or we should kill the unvaccinated. And now I was posting them within one week. I had like this revenge week and I was posting the statements.

And usually I was asking them in a bit nicer way, you know. I was asking, do you still stand with the statement? Do you still agree with what you said back then? And yeah, I had some scales from one to Stalin, one to Hitler, one to Fauci. They exist. And it's just like to make it more entertaining. But what I think is important that we shouldn't forget who just discriminated against us and what they did and how they kind of put the pressure on those who didn't want to get vaccinated. And I think that's an important thing to do.

And, you know, Twitter is entertaining and the way I did it is an entertaining way. I mean, I already got fired. I completely, I thousand percent, thousand percent agree to you, agree with you that it needs to be, we have to learn from this and we have to remember what happened. There's a meme of myself and Adam Carolla going around on a program we were on where he said, they want to turn the page, they want to turn to the cheek, we should never be listened to again. Not only were they wrong, they were dangerous in the way they behave. And as I said before, disgusting. But I'm still a little curious about you. Why the preoccupation with the US, the US leaders? And that surprised me that you would have anything to say about that given that you've been overseas the whole time. to say about that, given that you've been overseas the whole time? Yes, it's quite easy, because, for example, if you look into the US

politics, they have an impact on the whole world. Today, for example, I was saying that I don't like politicians, for example, I made a post, I don't like politicians. I don't understand why they were arresting Trump and not, for example, Obama and or Biden, who caused many troubles in Europe, for example. I'm a European and Trump didn't start the proxy war in Ukraine just in front of a door. You know, it's in Europe. So, of course, as long as you as leaders impact the world, I think everybody should have an opinion on that. And I agree with you.

I think it's important for us to remember that, actually. But I was surprised to see county officials and city officials show up on some of your hits. Oh, you mean the hits? Not to say that you were right. You were right. They were, there are pictures of them in various sort of, you know, I didn't remember the exact stuff, but, but, but yeah, I agreed with the criticism. Trust me.

I share your critique of these people. They are, they are definitely people to put in your crosshairs. I don't know how they got there, how an LA County health official got in your crosshairs. It's easy. It's easy. They popped up on Twitter. I mean, if you open Twitter and you open your feed, people pop up.

So I have even people like city officials from an Italian city. They popped up with disgusting tweets that got, for example, 50,000 likes and then made it viral. So I don't take tweets that make it viral. So just viral tweets that really reach many people. I'm asking these people, oh, why did you do this in different ways? Sometimes it's the I'm not kidding because I think it's a piece of history that we need to all kind of look at and remind ourselves about what happened. I'm not sure I can scroll through 500 Twitter entries, but if I had a Kindle or a book with pages I could flip through once in a while, I think this could be really important. I mean, maybe at your website or something, you put that out there.

You're not the first one. Many people already asked me if I want to make it a book. I might consider this because it would be a big book and it would be also entertaining because it would attach my tweets and then make people smile, at least if you're not a Democrat, if you're not a liberal. So they probably don't find it that funny. At least it's part of history. But I, yeah, I don't, this is no longer a liberal, I shouldn't be a liberal conservative kind of thing.

This is, there were some major mistakes made. There were people that were harmed. We need to not make those mistakes again. It's just as simple as that. Now, who made the mistakes? We can add up the score. Okay, I don't really care. I just want to make sure that

we are honest about what happened, look at what happened and not let this happen again. Because it was, it's even, I always did a podcast today with some friends of mine and their lives were turned upside down in ways I didn't even realize because, you know, radio ads went down, lost radio jobs and lost that podcast. Just one thing after another, people's lives were upended unnecessarily. It's one thing if we could point at this stuff and go, look, there were RCTs, there were randomized controlled trial on the masks, on the lockdown, and it worked, and it was a really significant success. It didn't do shit from what I can tell.

Maybe a little bit here and there, something here and there. It certainly didn't do more than localized focused quarantine a lockdown would have done, it seems to me. And you know what? The evidence to that is... You know what I observed? You know what I observed? I observed that the same people I was calling out, because I was always going to their profile and checking out what they're saying now. They are now all into the climate stuff.

So they drop the one topic and they go up to the next topic saying, oh, we need 15 minute cities. We need climate lockdowns. They continue doing this. So, I mean, if we don't stop them by coming up with arguments and like, you've been wrong the last time, I think they will continue, continue, continue. So I think it's very important to look into the past, to use the archive. I mean, the journalist's best friend is the archive.

And I made an archive. And every journalist should do this and ask people, okay, what you said back then was totally wrong. So what is your personal conclusion? You know, what is your consequence? What do you, which consequence are you drawing? So I think it's very important to address this. And as you say, it's totally correct.

Those people have been calling for lockdowns and have been calling for fear and panic. You've seen this in England with Matt Hancock, that he said, like, these people should be scared as hell. So I think these people need to be, yeah, need to be maybe not put to court because some of this isn't enough isn't enough but at least be confronted with what they said so they can maybe do some self-reflection they they need to learn they need to perhaps be out of positions of authority or at very minimum there need to be proper changes made to to curtail their authority it's pretty simple yeah pretty simple i promise

if you if you put nice tweets out and tag me i will retweet them but you have to you have to sort of bring it up you have to bring up these these misadventures these excesses in ways that can be digested without everybody getting weird and canceling and all that stuff i because it it's not about because the the feeling part of this is completely out of control. As we said, it's like mass formation psychosis. So, all right, very interesting. I must say, some way I can see those 500 tweets or be a part of amplifying them, I would love to do that. Because if they won't look at their mistakes on their own, we have to kind of hold their hand to the fire a bit.

And at very minimum, raise awareness in the public of how wrong people were, how egregious their behavior is. So they stop listening to them. They need to stop listening to these people, if nothing else. Just don't listen to them. All right. Let's take a couple calls, if you don't mind. Anything else? Did I miss anything in your story before I do go to some callers no i don't know i mean there's so much to tell we could talk for four hours but let's just go to the calls okay uh here is janice janice it takes a second for these calls

to um lock in and then uh they have to unmute the microphone the lower left hand corner and we'll be on with janice just a second hi hey there hey um i gotta say two things um i love what you're doing um to your guests there i love it um second thing yeah they do really need to correct stuff. I'll make it short on this part. A friend of mine's daughter-in-law expecting their first child on the 11th of this month, a little over a month ago, at the urging of her obstetrician, got a booster. Last week, she went in for her weekly checkup because it's getting so close to her due date, and they could not find a heartbeat for that baby. Yeah. And they had to induce, and she had to deliver a stillborn baby.

Right. And they had to induce and she had to deliver a stillborn baby. Right. And what I wanted to say to this gentleman is, yeah, I agree with what he's saying. I love the tweets he put out. And I'd like to ask him, what's it going to take to get these people to admit they were wrong? And personally, when I hear Fauci has croaked, I'm going to throw a party. I think you have some similarly minded folk to yourself, Simon, in terms of their feelings about all this. But it really, here is an interesting part of what she brings up. So I interviewed Vicki Mail. She's lovely. She had lots of good data.

And the data, it was weak in two respects, I thought. One was it was very focused on alpha and delta and its effect on pregnancy. I really couldn't tease out what was really Omicron from what she was saying. She did address it later in a tweet where she herself tried to tease it out. I still wasn't thoroughly convinced. It seemed too dire. Omicron is such a mild illness that the data didn't fit for me, number one. And on the vaccine side, the data was too rosy. There were no serious side effects, none.

I've seen lots of serious side effects. I'm not saying it's commonplace and most people end up okay, but to say there are no serious side effects, I mean, I personally, as a physician, my patient's seen lots of serious side effects. So I worry, this is back to me worrying again about the medical literature. Is it still being adulterated? Are there editorial sort of, the editorial campaigns

with people putting their finger on the scale to make it, you know, and then I see, by the way, what Janice just said, I've got people out there claiming that there's massively increase in skill, stillbirth, mass increase in fertility issues. I'm hearing all this. We're going to talk again, Naomi Wolf, who has 3,500 scientists reviewed the VAERS data, and she wants to present her data that looks a lot worse. How do I reconcile this data? I'm having the worst time. It's difficult.

For example, if I wanted to publish critical publications, it's close to impossible. But if you're part of the group, part of the pro-COVID group, so the COVID scare group, whatever you call it, they publish in The Lancet and Nature on a weekly basis. So if your name is Peter Hotez, you can publish whatever you want. They will never reject your paper. But for example, the paper I wrote, the Vitamin D paper, it got rejected several times before I found a journal, a very high impact journal. So with a good editor who gave me a voice and the other Bayesian paper also, yeah, it was very hard to get it, to find a journal.

So if you're critical, it's hard to publish your stuff nowadays. But let's take Peter Hotez as a case in point. Not a bad scientist, not a bad scientist not a liar not someone prone to hyperbole though he was he's a pediatrician not an adult infectious disease doctor so he has sort of not good judgment as it pertains to adult infectious disease but he's a good scientist what's i just i disagree what's going on i i totally disagree because he's he's been writing opinion papers he's been writing papers and he wrote that um those who post the

vaccine should be treated as terrorists and that the military should go after them just like terrorists so i think this is not scientific and he made this statement in scientific paper and he drew connections to putin and whatever he did it was like uh super unscientific also prior to the vaccines i think it was in april 2020 he said like a vaccine against a respiratory virus is a very very bad idea it could be even be dangerous but then he flip-flopped yeah he just changed his opinion by 180 degrees and good scientists don't do that. Well, let me, we had, I interviewed him in February of 2022 and, you know, nice guy, smart guy. And I immediately picked up on, he's had concerns about the adult manifestation of the disease that were based on his judgment as a pediatrician. He didn't understand. He was very

preoccupied with brain structural changes and things like that that happen to adult illnesses of all types and get better spontaneously. But he didn't know that because he's a pediatrician. So you see a brain change in a child, that's a big deal. It's a much different thing than in an adult. And his editorial excesses and misadventures, as you point out, yeah, not okay. They're not okay. But it shouldn't – maybe it adulterated a little bit his behavior as a scientist. But he's a decent scientist. adultery of his anxiety and what a mass formation, whatever it is, would sufficiently affect his judgment as a scientist that all of a sudden he starts publishing things that are, again,

with the hand on the scale? I don't know. I just know that he called me and others terrorists. He calls people who disagree with him anti-Semites right away. So he always comes, he always does an ad hominem. This is not the way to go. And the paper, the terrorism paper was just too much. It was inappropriate. You don't say that those who question the vaccine should be treated like terrorists. I don't know his former work. I cannot judge it, but I just know what he's been doing the last two years since inappropriate. Yeah.

And again, this is the, I perceive the discrimination of the unvaccinated. My thing is, if you ask an adult which one is a sociopath and you ask a child which one is a sociopath,

the adult is going to be worse every single time. So, pay attention to which one is an adult sociopath compared to a child sociopath. That's all there is to it. I'm confused

on why you're confused. Okay. I'm confused on why you're confused. Okay. I'm confused on what that comment was. I'm going to say crow, but thank you. But I do, as I've said, I think it is disgusting that people's lives were harmed, that people's careers were ended, that very fine professionals were vilified. It's disgusting. And that average people were discriminated against because they made a choice about what they wanted to do with their body. And I don't want to say they were right in the sense that they shouldn't have taken the vaccine, but they were right in the sense that it didn't prevent the illness and it

didn't prevent transmission. Therefore, the discrimination or the justification for the discrimination was completely unfounded. Completely. And none of these people have said, I'm sorry. And that is really, I'm beside myself with that. And I think that's what's generating your, yeah, so when I read your Twitter threads and you talk about yourself as internally radicalized, which I think is a hysterical description of what happened to you, I'm sorry, but I think it's such a subtle, interesting way to describe it. I appreciate it.

I understand what you're feeling. I understand it. But personally, I won't be able to retweet any of that stuff unless you bring it down a couple notches in which case i'll be happy to do so um that's for the listeners also very factual very factual tweets so it's just like i have some some threads of course is to say um it's it also has to be entertaining i mean it's twitter it's it's not my sub stack and do you have a sub stack yeah dr simon.substack.com totally um yeah um rational analysis of of situations of things very interesting to read just subscribe please okay and i love the bayesian reasoning showing up hi josh what's going on not much the first thing i did before i asked my question i just

saw something on his twitter page that i just looked at me he seemed to have called someone a pedophile i don't think it's obama or but i was who was the person that's the pedophile oh you just just think about it i'm gonna say it because yeah i'd rather i'd rather i'd rather there's stuff on there literally i'd rather not be said on this show and so uh that certainly sounds like something i would not necessarily want to show and this you know opinions are his own god bless him bless his heart bless thank you all right so my my question is basically putting that aside um my question is, you know, if there is culpability for the people that have gotten kicked off Twitter, I'm not saying that there is, but if there is, what do you mean by culpability?

I mean, like, in other words, it should have, what quote unquote should have occurred. If that makes any sense. I mean, it's debatable, right? I mean, these things did happen. So he was kicked off Twitter. So if that, you know, that did happen. So the question is, is what could be the result if it happened again? I mean, would it happen for a different reason? Is this guy now free to say whatever he wants? He's never going to get kicked off Twitter. Does that make any sense? Yes, I'm following you. And I think underneath Josh's point is now you're unleashing your rage.

Should there be any limitations on that? Do you have some ethical obligation to watch what you say? Simon? Yeah, you're totally right. You're totally right. It should be all within the law. And I shouldn't offend anyone, of course. But there's a line between satire and...

You better take down a few tweets. Yeah, well, I mean, a child-sniffing pedophile. I mean, it's obviously a joke, isn't it? People can love it, but others don't like it. No, it's funny you would say that, because I just today had to, I was talking to my guy I work with all the time, Adam Carolla, and he made a very sexist comment sort of under his breath as a joke. And I found myself saying, oh, sexist would say to sort of almost like the, know the color guy next to the rapper uh but i thought to myself why did i do that and i thought you know why because people can't take jokes today

they they really are very literal very concrete and even if it is clearly attended as comedy it does not get received that way right now it's so be careful people are people are getting offended these days and i think it's a think it's a choice to be offended. So I can be, I'm autistic. And there are many people who say like, you're an autistic piece of shit. And I just like reply, autism intensifies and stuff like that, you know?

I think it's important to be able to love about yourself and also to not be offended. I mean, like I don't, I never choose to be offended. And if people say like oh i'm so offended because you you made this in this joke it's like it's not my problem yeah i i i understand what you're saying is it possible i are you what you don't have to answer my questions but is the autism effect you're functioning at all do you have any are you aware of what where the uh manifestations, manifestations are?

And what do you mean? In terms of reading social cues, things like that. Cause I'm wondering if some of these tweets that I feel uncomfortable with are I'm uncomfortable because I'm picking up on some part of something that you're not picking up on. Does that make sense? I think, I think the problem there is more the 280 characters. So it's very hard to to show if you're whether you're satirical,

whether you're making a joke on Twitter. I mean, there's not yet the function that there's a button like, oh, this is a joke or this is meant in a cynical way. I mean, this tweet was more or less cynical. And I sit there, I laugh about it, and my followers like them too. And I think I have some mixture of serious, very serious threats, serious tweets. I go into the science. Yes, I do have very serious tweets.

And sometimes I just poke. It was called poking on Facebook with them, poking poking opinions like provoking a bit and i think this is a very this is a style that is part of me i don't know if it's part of my autism or not i'm a very rational person usually and i have a very black humor i don't understand humor but i have one myself it's not a stick thing dr dr gottick if I could ask, are you a user of Reddit or 4chan? Have you used those in the past? 4chan, yes.

Okay, I figured. Okay, now I understand you a lot more. I figured you were going to say yes to that. Okay, it makes a lot more sense. Help us. Now help us. A lot of this is a 4chan brand of humor in a way. So it's a lot of the stuff that said isn't actually a hundred percent serious,

but they'll say very, very shocking things. Like the stuff that he said about the child sniffing person, they'll say that stuff. They're not a hundred percent serious, but anyone who can hear it, who doesn't understand what 4chan is, is going to take that totally seriously and be really offended. They don't understand that this is part of the internet.

Like this is a very internet style of humor that's oh that's i am i am at once and by the way on dr goddick's behalf i'm at once intrigued by this entire thing we're sort of uncovering here and i'm deeply troubled that you get attacked for non-neuro normative sorts of the things that the very things these people claim to want to defend, they're attacking you? A lot. So there are tweets like, you fucking piece of autistic shit, you should die, they should kill you. It's normal.

I get death threats every day on Twitter. But I just take it with a smile because these are like, you know, I call them keyboard warriors. And yeah, I mean, what should I do do there's nothing i can do i take it with humor of course um i get slightly offended but i try not to get offended because i mean there's nothing i can do against it and i mean what what should i do i just try to you know take it with a smile people offend you take it with a smile it makes your day better the the last time i there are like maybe caleb

can help this too but the last time i had a tweet like that i just went on that person's um twitter thread themselves and just said something sort of um a trolly about them i just said i like your bangs because she had cute bangs. I just said, I like your bangs back, which is a throwback to Napoleon Dynamite and a fact. And the person just shut up because I think these people don't realize what they're doing. If you come back, you know, with a clever remark about something, I don't know. I'm sure there, Caleb, can you help us out here? You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Yeah. I understand what you're saying. It's, uh, uh, usually when people are trolling, I'm just extra double nice to them. And then they shut up really

quick because they don't know what to do because they either expect for you to fight back with fire or to like crumple up into a ball. They don't expect you to be like, Oh, I, I, I, you must be having a really bad day. Or it's like, oh, wow, that's hilarious. You just made a joke about me? That's so funny. If you just join in with the trolls, then most of the time they leave. Now, that's not probably the best thing to do all of the time

with death threats and all of that stuff. But with the internet, especially knowing that you also have 4chan days in your past, I understand a lot more about the type of humor and you're not trying to offend people. This is the language of the internet. You and I are going to have a longer conversation about that.

Yes. Because this is new territory for me. I'm always afraid to say the name 4chan though because it's like Beetlejuice. If you say 4chan three times, then your stream goes down and you get hacked. You already said it like five times. Yeah, I know. So here we go. There goes the stream.

No, we're almost through. We're making our way towards the exit. Malu. We'll see this. Malaus. Hey, Malaus. What's happening there? How you doing? How you doing, Kendra? How you doing? Hey there. I just had a question. For me, I think you started the space talking about the PCR tests.

And for me, this is always a big question mark. I do not understand why a test is mandatory for so many things. That is legitimately a medical procedure not really a test it has to go past the navel turbinates which never before ever heard anything had to do that I was always encouraged every time they put nail turbinates were mentioned it was always in context of not putting anything past them why do we have to go so far deep in the nose or in the sinus to collect samples of a virus that's supposed to

be so contagious. Yeah, viral swabs were always deep nasal swabs. I'm imagining that it's in the front part, there's less because of the hairs and more contamination of various types and less penetration of the virus. But I don't know. I'll let, uh, see if Dr. Kodak has an answer to that as well. Well, I'm not an MD, but I think, um, that, um, yeah, it's, it's, it's more contagious in the back. I think the mouth would work as well. So I also don't understand.

Dr. David Kramer, M.D.: Mouth does work. Throat, throat and mouth. Dr. Peter Marks, M.D.: Exactly. And there's no, there's no need to go all the way down the nose just to get the viral load. I mean, like there's even Dr. Zoe Hyde, which I also called out. She was saying we should do anal swab

with children at school. So there are even more extremist methods in order to measure the viral load. Yeah. But it really, he does raise an interesting question is the the seeming ease with which people are subjected to medical procedures and their medical information uh privacy issues completely violated in in my world you know you you do a test with really specific circumstances and expectations.

Back to your Bayesian reasoning, you don't just, unless it's a screening procedure, which is kind of a different kind of test, this is a diagnostic procedure, theoretically at least. Diagnostic procedure and things like what my status is, is my business, and whether I've been vaccinated is my business. But all that was completely wiped aside. Again, this is all the excesses. I understand it was an emergency,

and I understand our Constitution in particular gives public health officials the ability to swipe aside constitutional privilege. I'm saying I'm not sure we want that to be that way. At least there should be some second step, something that we put in the way of that. So there isn't this fiat authority by people who really don't have the judgment and clearly don't think in a Bayesian manner or in a risk reward manner to understand the full impact of the choices they make.

What do you say? I'm totally with you here 100 100 and i even think what what was a big crime is what they did to children every day at school um because it hurts a lot so i think it's it's not okay what they did it's more or less it was abuse to some degree and i before I let you go, kind of fill me in on the difference between what, I mean, what we experienced here was actually different state by state, right? California, New York, the worst, Florida, Texas, not so bad. What was it like in Europe? Was it the same where the school closures were?

Nowhere had them nearly so long, did they? As, say, L.A. County, which was two years. What was it like over there? A good one, because I went to Brazil very quickly, and I don't know what they've been doing there. I think they installed air filters, and they reduced school days. I think they had one day off, one day school, something like this. But my mom

is a teacher and she said the children had to do lots of testing and they heavily suffered. Imagine doing a PCR test. Oh, all the time. All the time. Which is totally unethical. And here in Brazil, people didn't test because it's not a first world country.

And I think the tests were not the cheapest. So many people didn't have the money to test every day, every second day. So hardly anyone here didn't test. In Holland, there must have been no COVID. And in Brazil, there must have been massive deaths of teachers and grandparents passed on by kids. Oh, no, they're the same. Same exact outcome. I'm shocked.

The same exact outcome. So whenever they started with a panic on TV, people died. I know I call it a panicdemic. It's rising cortisol levels. You as an MD know very well what happens if you're afraid. If you're afraid and then you have this chronic inflammation, chronic fear. Exactly that. Thank you.

It never makes anything better. Panic never makes things better. What did FDR get up against? We have nothing but fear, but fear itself. So be confident. Move forward. Do your best. As opposed to hide in place.

Hide in your bedroom. Hide under the bed. Hide under the bed. No one's ever been told that in the modern era. And no one's ever said hide in your room. Shelter in place. That is, again, disgusting. Ugh. Anyway. All right. Well is, again, disgusting. Ugh. Anyway.

May I ask a question? Have I missed anything? Could I ask a real quick question too, Dr. Goddick? I see this, the people asking these questions a lot in the comments here, and because you're so familiar with the PCR tests and everything, I was wondering if you've seen anything suspicious about the death of Dr. Kerry Mullis and how the timing of it seemed to happen in 2019, like barely months before COVID started. People are saying that something seems suspicious about that. Caleb is my in-house conspiracy theorist. While Susan's gone, it's me.

Well, he is an inventor of the test, and he just died before the pandemic started. That's suspicious, but I haven't looked into this case yet. So I can just say it's suspicious. In my opinion, it's suspicious. That's all. Okay. Okay. Caleb, anything you want to say about that?

No, I just, I was looking, I mean, I see a lot of comments about it, and I haven't looked too deeply into it, but it was just odd to me that he died on August 7 of 2019. And that's right as we're leading into this. And he was a very vocal critic of Dr. Fauci. And he also had apparently had said that his PCR test shouldn't even be used in this way. And yet he's gone right before this major pandemic happens that begins to rely on something that he created to use it in ways he didn't even want it in the first place. I just found that interesting. Yeah.

Maybe you want to ask people in 410. I'm sure, sure. They have thoughts. Well, uh, we've said it now six times, so that will be the end of the show.

So with that in mind, before they get to us, uh, I want to thank you for swinging by. Uh, I look forward to the, uh, 500, uh, most outrageous Twitter, uh, us. I want to thank you for swinging by. I look forward to the 500 most outrageous

Twitter sort of, what should we call them, outrageous Twitter or Twitter excesses so I can retweet them and comment on them and look at them as a book. I think it's a historical document that could have great, great value

in terms of learning from what was a very confusing and hard to understand experience that captured the world and didn't have to do as much harm as it did, it seemed to me. But that's my humble opinion about that. Anything you'd like to say on parting here? Thank you for having me. No. Thank you for being me. No. Thank you for being here. We'll look for you at sunfluencer.com and at Goddick et al

on Twitter. And thank you, Dr. Goddick. And for the rest of us, let's put up what's coming up this week. We've got a lot of stuff coming. Let's see. Tomorrow's Dr. William Mackes. Jimmy Dore on Thursday. You've all been asking for stuff coming. Let's see. Tomorrow is Dr. William Mackes. Jimmy Dore on Thursday. You've all been asking for that.

Robert Kennedy on Monday. Or is that Monday or Tuesday? And then Asim Malhotra coming back on April 25th. We've got other things brewing here. I have to travel a bit the week of the 11th, 12th, so we may not have as many shows as usual. We'll probably do Monday, Tuesday that week. And then the following

week from New York also again, kind of a messed up week schedule wise. But, um, yeah, we've been asking you guys, if you have any, have any guests you'd like to suggest, please, please do so. Uh, I just sent Thomas Binder's name off to the, uh, our booker and to see if there's anything there. Hmm. She's responding with an, oh my God. So she must have some ideas about him. Caleb, anything else for we say farewell here? Oh no, that he was very interesting. I want him to come back. Lots of interesting insight there. Very interesting. I'm disturbed that they, I didn't pick up on the autism and I'm disturbed that he would be discriminated for that. That's really terrible.

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