Ask Dr. Drew - The Quartering: Conservative Influencers Receive More Death Threats In Wake Of Charlie Kirk Assassination + Apollo Pappas on Tina Peters Dominion Case – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 547

Episode Date: October 26, 2025

Texas man Nicholas Ray, 28, was arrested for allegedly posting online death threats against conservative public figures like Seth Dillon, Josh Hammer, and Laura Loomer. Nicholas faces charges of extortion, written threats, and illegal use of a communication device. Despite his attempts at anonymity, investigators say they linked the posts to Ray using data from X, AT&T, and Charter. The arrest follows a string of anti-conservative threats in the wake of Charlie Kirk’s assassination, including a California man who was charged for sending a violent letter to host Benny Johnson. Apollo Pappas also discusses the case of Tina Peters, a former Colorado clerk who was sentenced to 8.5 years and after allegations of “tampering” with voting machines in 2021. Her supporters say she’s a political prisoner punished for whistleblowing on Dominion’s systems. Jeremy Hambly is best known as The Quartering, a political and pop culture commentator. He is the founder of Coffee Brand Coffee. Learn more at https://coffeebrandcoffee.com and follow him at https://x.com/TheQuartering⠀Apollo Pappas is an independent journalist and producer, host of The Truth Matters, the official show of Tina Peters while she is imprisoned in Colorado. His investigative work began during the 2020 riots, where he infiltrated organized groups to identify instigators and help protect communities. Since 2021, he has produced and hosted thousands of hours of content focused on justice, law, and truth-telling. Follow him at https://x.com/apollopappas and learn more about Tina Peters at https://tinapeters.us 「 SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS 」 Find out more about the brands that make this show possible and get special discounts on Dr. Drew's favorite products at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/sponsors⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠  ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠• FATTY15 – The future of essential fatty acids is here! Strengthen your cells against age-related breakdown with Fatty15. Get 15% off a 90-day Starter Kit Subscription at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/fatty15⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • PALEOVALLEY - "Paleovalley has a wide variety of extraordinary products that are both healthful and delicious,” says Dr. Drew. "I am a huge fan of this brand and know you'll love it too!” Get 15% off your first order at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/paleovalley⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • VSHREDMD – Formulated by Dr. Drew: The Science of Cellular Health + World-Class Training Programs, Premium Content, and 1-1 Training with Certified V Shred Coaches! More at https://drdrew.com/vshredmd • THE WELLNESS COMPANY - Counteract harmful spike proteins with TWC's Signature Series Spike Support Formula containing nattokinase and selenium. Learn more about TWC's supplements at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twc.health/drew⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ 「 MEDICAL NOTE 」 Portions of this program may examine countervailing views on important medical issues. Always consult your physician before making any decisions about your health. 「 ABOUT THE SHOW 」 Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Kaleb Nation (⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://kalebnation.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠) and Susan Pinsky (⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/firstladyoflov⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠e⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠). This show is for entertainment and/or informational purposes only, and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Jeremy from the quartering joins me in just a moment. You can follow him on X, The Quartering, also on X coffee brand company. He's got a coffee brand, rumbles the quartering, YouTube is the quartering, and coffeebrand, coffee.com. And then we'll be joined by Apollo Pappas. You can follow him on X, Apollo Pappas, just like it sounds. And tina peters.us, where he has taken over her hosting privileges, let's say. Jeremy's got a lot on a lot. In the aftermath of Charlie Kirk, he too has been, let's say, in the crosshairs of some concerns.

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Hey, thank you for having me. Really glad to be here tonight on this rainy Midwestern Wednesday, and I'm happy to spend my evening with you and your viewers. And Caleb, we've had so much experience with inclement weather. in the south where Caleb is, I think it is glitching Jeremy's internet. Yeah, I lowered his quality down a little. I could hear you. Okay, I could hear you very well, but I couldn't see you very well, which happens when the weather gets bad.

So I understand. We deal with that here too. I don't live, I live kind of in an internet wasteland. I don't live in L.A. or any of these other fancy cities where they have crazy good internet. And I live out in a farm field in the middle of nowhere. So it might be my end. So to be fair, we live in the wastelands, just so you're clear.

We have internet, but we live in a wasteland. So that's just to be clear. So tell me about what is your take on what's going on here. Here we have, you know, I noticed that I've stopped hearing the refrain that right nationalists, white nationalists, white supremacists are the greatest threat to American safety and domestic violence. all of a sudden it's so exquisitely clear that the violence is going one direction. I do hear craziness as it pertains of that violence, like sort of quasi-weird cognitive dissonance trying to justify completely unjustifiable violence. What's your take?

Yeah, I mean, I think anybody who's been covering this or reporting on it like you have for some time kind of knew that there was this weird, you know, you keep saying these things. but I keep not seeing these things. I remember I almost liking it in early COVID where they were like, oh, you know, I watched the news and I was expecting bodies to be stacked up like cordwood outside. And I walked outside and like people were mowing their lawns. This was similar with a lot of the, you know, while the vast majority of attacks are happening from right wingers.

That wasn't what most people were seeing. And right now, I think there's this desperate attempt to put the toothpaste back in the tube as if to say, well, yeah, sure, this one person and this other one person, this other. When you have 25 isolated incidents in six months, it's not so isolated anymore. I'm not sure that the mainstream media or those covering for them know what to do. Like we saw Jimmy Kimmel, Antifa's just an idea. Like he said that on Disney's airwaves.

And then you just open up X or anywhere else. You're like, wait, what's going on in Portland? This doesn't look like just an idea. so we've got a picture up next to you of a guy that was arrested for extortion anti-Semitic death threats were you one of the people that that guy went after no because i've i've kind of stayed out it's such a and i will say that x is in a really bad spot right now and if you use it in any kind of regular capacity You see that there's just so much anger and the rhetoric keeps getting ratcheted up.

I mean, for lack of a better term, I have basically said, I'm America first and I don't really have a lot to say about other foreign countries. But this conversation around, you know, Israel's influence on the United States has gotten really, really emotional. And this idea of, you know, this individual, you know, over the years, you know, years certainly have gotten lots of people who have sent me wild threats and it was kind of something I always ignored. I'm sure you have too. But now it's just people, it's become normalized. And I for one, I'm happy that left wing, right wing, or knowing that we should be taking this stuff seriously. It's a lot like, for example, me and many of my peers have been swatted many times. And the guy that swatomy got somewhere i think he had got 10 years in prison but that was only after

you know my wife got dragged out of bed in the middle of the night and handcuffed and you know all this kind of stuff yeah so i do think that there should be some level of consequence here i do hope that we also see it happen to left wingers where we see numerous examples of vile things direct threats i mean you could open up blue sky and find them i think that we need I don't know that we can turn the temperature down, but I think that socially there needs to be some more actual consequence to this stuff because the more you allow people to say stuff,

the more it gets normalized, the more that one crazy person is going to act on it. And we've seen enough of that now where we know, and somebody in chat pointing out about bots, without going talking too much out of turn here, I think a lot of this is fueled by bot networks, a lot of this division. and it is scary to me

just how you know this guy he ruined his life he ruined his life over this he's going to have a federal you know maybe he doesn't go to prison forever but he's going to have a federal crime on his record why you know

so he could send some anonymous threats online I mean it was a huge mistake yeah and there's a there's a quality to it where there is this dehumanizing cartoon character making justifying quality where you know you it becomes reasonable to take action you know

Hitler fascist is sort of the extreme example of that Caleb you in addition to this post you had another post up I could not read next to Jeremy what was that one you were putting up and why did you put that up there there oh it was a longer one the full page oh there's a bunch of them there's a oh yeah this one yeah what do we look at here this one yeah what do we that's Seth Dylan. He's a quote tweeting a post and he's saying like as he was writing this very op-ed, a different man was being arrested for threatening to kill him. Yeah, I mean, you know, go ahead. I just say, I think that's the same guy, but I could be wrong. I know that this guy did threaten Seth Dillon and Laura Lumer and look, I mean, I think, you know,

we've become great friends now in just a few minutes. I think I can speak frankly. People's emotions around this particular topic are very, very, very high. And as I mean, I live in the Midwest. I have Jewish friends. We don't talk about Jew stuff. We talk about the sports team. I am very taken aback by how intent, like, it's like getting dropped in in the ultimate deep end

where I'm like, hey, why is everyone? everybody, what's going on here? And then people's emotions are so high that it is, it's difficult to understand how we got here and how we got here so quickly. At least for me, it feels like, what's going on or what's going on? Oh, okay, well, this is serious. We have people ruining their lives over social media posts. And I know I've been rambling, but I will say, I think that the enemy, whoever you say it is, right, whether it's demonic forces, if you're religious or this country. They win when people ruin their lives over this stuff.

And I just, you know, this guy may have had legitimate criticisms of foreign policy, but now he's going to have a federal offense on his record. He's going to have a hard time getting a job in real life. He's, you know, and for what? Like, because he got whipped up by who knows what out there. So you just hate to see it. He might have had something valuable to say, but now, you know, he's a federal offender and and whatever he might have to say is thrown by the wind

social evil is always done in the name of good and so i'm sure he had justified in his own mind how much good he was doing and whoever whipped him into that frenzy i i look forward to a day when we hold them accountable uh i don't know how we do that but the the media and the lying and the excessive rhetoric that dehumanizes people. I don't know. Walter Cronkite didn't do that. I think our journalists need to refrain. I think this is a really valid and smart point

because we've seen this before with COVID. We've seen this before with Trump supporters. We've seen this before with, you know, the first step is to dehumanize. And then once you dehumanize somebody, now whatever actions you, I mean, look the Nazis did. it, you know, right? Like, once you

unperson somebody, now it creates a whole much easier path. I'm not, I'm not threatening to destroy my neighbor. I'm fighting evil. You know, and Yeah, exactly. Exactly. That's it. It's, and I keep in this conversation

already, I've been thinking, and reflecting about COVID, and we, my whole entire family got death threats because guess what? Here's what the refrain was then. if you were not totally on board with every line and verse of the bullshit, the government, and the public health policies were pouring out, you were a murderer. You wanted to kill people. You were a sick person interested in killing people.

Not a physician who is saying, hey, there's a risk-reward analysis here. We need to step back and consider what we might be doing to people. And now we've harmed an entire generation. God knows what we did with the vaccine mandates. and Caleb, I'm going to go back and find all that stuff. Who is the guy that was, somebody was working on this with us. And really, you know, maybe it's time for, people are starting to take legal action against this stuff.

And I think it's totally just going to. Yeah, I think that's really going to happen. And the drug companies were completely protected under this nonsense emergency authorization. And I'm no expert. I'm certainly not a doctor. But I do kind of suss out BS for a living. And I'm not, again, like, you just kind of knew when people like, oh, well, you're anti this or anti that, when you just tried to have a little bit of nuance, you know, and back then it was,

you're killing grandma. You're going to kill all the other. Look, yeah, my parents were in their 70s. They got the vaccine. They did a risk reward analysis. My dad had COPD. He had other comorbidities. He took it. Reasonable. And again, we had a different illness flying around at the beginning, we had Alpha and Delta, different illness than Omicron, different illness, then very much worth it, a reasonable thing to do. With Omicron, not so clear, and then as time has gone on, even less clear. So, okay, good. But speaking of sussing out bullshit, let's talk about Gavin Newsom, okay?

That's the source. You've hit the epicenter. The source of all bullshit. But he, did I see him going on? Was it him that was railing on the Trump renovations? I mean, the White House has gone through periods of renovations forever. Abraham Lincoln's wife got in real trouble for being a spinthrift when it came to those renovations and the place settings and the whatever in the White House.

That was a really, before he started winning the Civil War, that was a major problem for him. and because it was taxpayer dollars that was paying for that. Now we have a guy bringing his own money in and doing it for us. Why is that upsetting to anyone? It's the craziest. What's been wild to me is I've always basically been an independent. I mean, look, much to many of my viewers chagrin, I voted for Obama twice. I voted for Trump.

I voted third party. I am not like hardcore in any one particular. but I feel like I remember Obama put in a basketball court and I feel like I remember basically every president and I think what it's really indicative of is that there's not a lot of angles of attack for Trump right now I mean the markets are doing good if you invest prices are coming down

grocery still need to come down and meat are we buying Argentina meat anyway but meat is an issue but like you know there's yeah what is the angle of attack on Trump Remember when they said his tariffs were going to, er, terrorists are going to show America.

Well, that didn't work. Destroy us. Yeah. So waiting. The government shut down any minute now. Everything's all this stuff. And so they're like, well, the symbolic, you know, think about the symbolicness of this.

What, he's upgrading a 200-year-old wing. And then they basically said also that it was safer to kind of demolish that section than try to renovate it, which I understand why people want to do that for historic reasons. if you ever owned a home and like it has historical whatever you have to go through all sorts of nonsense when you want to like restore it yeah it is really i think to keep it so much short really indicative of just how little the left has right now to go after trump and he'll give him something for sure but this the more they like moralize over him putting in the and it's going to look great

when it's done you know it's going to look great we don't pay for us you know every president after him's going to get to use it for whatever they want. It's not the Trump wing. Go ahead. It will be. He'll call it that or something. He will, yeah. This is for me, he always goes off the rail with this stuff.

But okay, whatever. It doesn't bother me. That's why I keep wondering, you're sort of an independent like I am. You're a little different on the independent scale than I am, but we're both independent. And I find it odd. You tell me something. And if you experience this and if you wonder about yourself in relationship, to this experience.

He says things that are clearly like off the plantation. Right. And I just laugh at it. I go, oh, that's him being him, you know, whatever. It doesn't bother me at all. But it makes people crazy. And sometimes I wonder if he's doing that intentionally. But first I wonder what's wrong with me that I don't get crazy.

And secondly, I wonder if he is doing it intentionally. Well, for the first term, yeah. What he said. Nailed it. That's how, yeah, that's, I mean, I think here's what I'll say about Trump but I've always been honest about him I voted for him because

I mean he was the better of two horrible options but anyway like or three really but look you're going to get a lot of good with Trump but you're going to get a lot of craziness just like I remember

I remember being really mad when he's like I'm the door war president and he was president for like a week and then he sent missiles in to Syria his first term I'm like, yo, what happened in no more foreign wars? So I think I've been a little bit hardened by his insanity. A lot of it was covered about, oh, this is fourth dimensional chess.

I don't think Trump's playing fourth dimensional chess. I just think he's just unapologetically him. Sometimes he's going to go do or say some things that are hilarious. Sometimes he's going to do or say something that makes no sense whatsoever. Like, you know, oh, I'm going to consider pardoning Jolene Maxwell. I was like, what are you doing? And then like, but then he just, he's just, he's just a wild card. He, I don't think he, he had a, what do you think of the meme dropping shit on people's

heads? Any thoughts about that one? Look. No, I mean. I didn't either. It's like, it's not out of character for him. Yeah, I mean, this is Trump literally shit posting. This is what he does.

Do I think that Trump manages his truth? No, of course. not. I'm sure someone's like, hey, Mr. Trump, should we, you know, should we post this? I think it's hilarious. I think anybody looking at that, again, whoever is advising him on social media, go all the way back to coffee. Do you remember that? He missed, he missed type coffee and it became an international incident. And it's like, you guys understand, if I were advising the left, but you guys understand that whether or not he did this on purpose. He now owns your news channel for the next 72 hours. He can go do whatever he wants.

And you guys are too busy talking about a typo. And that, I think that's when kind of the, oh, Trump's doing fourth dimensional judgment. No, he wasn't. He was tweeting that from the toilet. Like he was a typo. He's just a, you know, go ahead. Speaking of coffee, speak of Kofifi. Give us a minute on your coffee company. Oh, thank you. Well, I, the reason I started coffee brand coffee was because I literally called it that because so many coffee brands were getting political I know it is inexorably tied

to me but I don't call it you should have called it cofifi well you know funny there was there was a coffee brand that launched this coffee fee and I was like boy I hope they make all their money in three weeks because no one's going to remember that although now here I am mentioning it years later

but yeah I started this because you know you've known this because when you speak out against something You can't always count on making ad revenue on YouTube or traditional sources. So I started this and I decided I didn't want to do like drop ship garbage like everyone else does. No shade, but like a lot of people just stick their name on it. So we went, we got everything figured out, how to roast it, how to ship it, how to sell it.

So hopefully, you know, it will outlast my, you know, my business. So we're on Amazon now. We're, you know, we're trying to get into grocery stores. So it's been fun. Oh, great. I know everyone kind of does their coffee, but, you know, I'm hoping. hoping it'll last. That's why my face isn't on it. That's why I don't have liberal tears coffee. I don't care. Michael Jordan famously said, Republicans buy sneakers too, right? I don't care

who buys my coffee. I want them to buy it because it's great. I don't want liberal tears coffee. I don't want any of that stuff. I just want to try to do a good product. And that's why I started. So thanks for bringing that up. You didn't have to do that. I appreciate it. Well, I look forward to trying it. I've not tried it yet. But back to Trump and his off the the plantation comments he said something very clearly that I don't think we have ever heard

from the White House and I would say I don't think I've ever heard from a politician and that is calling out JFK for his bullshit in what is now the press pool the pool

what he was describing when you see Carolyn Levitt at the podium she is looking out at a bunch of reporters that are on plywood over a pool, a swimming pool. And that swimming pool is the pool where JFK used to do his shenanigans, really serious, like, exploitative bullshit to women shenanigans. And Trump was like, I think that's where that happened. Did anybody know that, you know, Jackie O? And he did it

third hand. He described Jackie O's experience of hearing women being taken advantage of in the press pool. but go ahead what are your thoughts on it well i mean i think it's great this is again like there's an episode of um there's a show called it's always sunny in philadelphia i promise it'll be short there's one point where they get the bright idea you can you can have those guys are all my friends so you can talk about sunny as long as you want and it's my son's favorite show so so there's an episode where they get this bright idea to buy gasoline and they're driving around and they have like 50 gallon buckets of gasoline and they're like hey what's your role i'm the sales guy what's yeah and then like charlie kind of the goof

follow group's like you're the wild card and like his thing's like he like lights his lighter next to the thing and gas like wild card that that's how i view trump you don't know what's going to come out of his mouth and the guy has no filter for better or worse and i've learned that like especially now in his third term or his third i mean his last term not his third term but his second term as president he's gonna i don't think he is as loyal as most people think the guy for better worse again he's narcissistic he is you know self-absorbed the whole like

Trump thing look at all the gold this is who he is you know he obsesses over like nobody's criticizing him but this is who he was in 2016 this is who he is in 2025 you get what you get with him I love that he called that up because JFK well

is glad yeah well to finish maybe comment on JFK that I want to talk about what what should have what makes a good president because this is a mysterious to me, but first talk about JFK being a sacred, privileged sort of myth that we're not allowed to touch. Right. Well, I think, you know, probably because of, you know, how the road ended for him

may have kind of prevented people from really looking into some of the decisions that were made and the things that were done. But this guy was not a good husband. He was not a good man. And sure, you know, he was handsome, you know, charismatic. But I think that Trump does, he will often call out people's sacred cows. Look, people talk about Trump. I mean, he's Operation Warp Speed. Let's not forget that. You know, like Trump, he just does kind of what he wants and he goes 100% of the way. And, you know, with JFK, the same thing. You know, he doesn't really care. So, so let's let's be clear about JFK. I'm just still staying with the sunny casks. I remember I did a, I did a ad on for one of their, they used to put out these cassette series or see DVD series.

And me and Danny DeVito, and I think it was Rob, sat and just did commentary on all the Sunday for like three hours. It was the most, yeah, it was the greatest experience I've ever had. So these are all, I don't know Charlie very well, but Glenn is like a good friend. And so these are all people I know very well. But where was I going with this? Why did I bring this all up to? Oh, JFK, just so you know, it was an opiate addict, opiate addict.

He had a doctor giving him parental opiates regularly. That's why his adrenal glands shut down. He didn't have Addison's disease. He had opiate-induced adrenal insufficiency. Then that same doctor gave him intramuscular, nobody taught. I know it because I deal with this shit so much. Again, same doctor gave him parenteral, I am intramuscular amphetamine. He developed an amphetamine psychosis and literally read about it.

It's well documented. This is blowing my mind. He was doing, it was doing cartwheels down a hotel hallway until actually a real psychiatrist came in and set him, set the medication straight. I was like, but you cannot have this supplier see you anymore, Mr. President. We actually did a, we did a drunk history on this. It is so well established. Yet if you look at the drunk history and it is absolutely accurate. He had chronic opiate use with addiction, in my humble opinion,

adrenal insufficiency from that, and then amphetamine psychosis. Imagine if the amphetamine psychosis had occurred during the Cuban missile crisis. I mean, it's just shuddering to think. Well, imagine if it had occurred in modern day media where like these guys are in front of a camera, everything is captured. You know, if he's doing nude cartwheels down in a hotel, that video would have been on the internet. Like that,

that would have been somebody would have came out. That would have been a major issue. And there's a lot of people. I don't really, I happen to think, I mean, what is the word megalomania? I haven't think anybody who runs for president is probably,

you know, they've got issues. And, you know, that's the question. What makes a good president? I'm not, I mean, Trump to me seems closest to Teddy Roosevelt, and he did some, Teddy Roosevelt did some great stuff. And, you know, Abraham Lincoln had serious mental illness, very, you know, S, you know, M.I, life-threatening depression. And that is, and there's, there's all this communication

with, we're going to take a break after I state these things, but all this communication between Lincoln and his doctor in Springfield, who put him on mercury because he became obsessed that he had syphilis, and the mercury causes worsening depression. And there's all these stories of all these depression episodes. He was on for at least two to three years in his presidency. So there's craziness, you know, generation by generation. And yet some of the people that were impaired functioned not just well as presidents were some of our most important president.

So think about during the break what makes it good, what makes it, Teddy Roosevelt was hypomanic and he was narcissistic. And so think about it during the break. What makes a good president? I'm going to give you a chance to ring in on that. And it may be, who knows, given the, it may be the vagaries of the historical moment and hard to put, hard to ever know. It's magic in some way.

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And we were back with Jeremy from the quartering. You can find him on X and also YouTube and Rumble. And Jeremy, before the break, we're going to talk about, we were talking about what makes a good president, if that's even a reasonable question. And we're going to segue from that to vice president. But what are your thoughts? Well, I did take that break to think about it,

and I'll try to keep it short. I feel like I might be talking too much. But I would say that obviously the Vogue answer would be like to be a unifier or whatever, I think most presidents are remembered by the two or three moments during their presidency and how they reacted to them. And I think when you look back, any president of four years, eight years, there's going to be a few key moments. And it's going to be how well you dealt with adversity, just like in the workplace or just like in life in general. I think, yeah, it's easy when you're Bill Clinton and you're giving them a mortgage and everyone's happy.

but it's how you deal with the tough times that really determines whether or not I think you can be determined a good leader anyone can lead when things are good but when things are bad that that's what I think most people remember if that makes it I couldn't tell you if there was ever a good president or not I think I like that I like it because it's it's kind of an acid test or an historical moment and in a weird way you can't almost can't predict a priori who's going to be good there are some maybe qualities you like or you think are going to be good, but it's when they're actually tested that you find out was this good or bad

for this moment of history. It's really interesting. Somebody should do a study on the ones that failed, you know, because you don't remember those. Yeah, I mean, I think, anyway. Yeah, I mean, you're, look at this. Oh, here, let me tell you, you know, example, everyone will remember. Pretty much everyone remembers our withdrawal from Afghanistan, right?

How'd that go? You know, like, yeah, yeah, yeah. There's a couple of moments from every presidency and how did they shake out will be how you remembered. Yeah, and George Bush is remembered for, you know, the weapons of mass destruction, which was... All right, and mission accomplished. Right, exactly. So, and Caleb, do you have the Theo Vaughn tape with J.D. Vance laughing with him about cocaine? Oh, yeah, I had that one.

And J.D. Vance, do we want to play that whole thing? or just to Jeremy and I just talk about it. Made like a 30-second clip on it. Okay, we'll take a clip of this because let's remind ourselves that J.D. Vance, I believe this to be true, is a recovering addict. Am I getting that correct? There's certainly been drug use. His mother was an addict.

Yeah, his mother was an addict. Didn't he have some run for a minute or so? Is that Caleb might not get him in that history correct? I'll look it up. I'm not sure. He doesn't strike me as, let's put it this way. I never hear him talking the language of recovering addiction. So if he did have a run with a substance, it was probably because he was just around it and just, you know, his mom was an addict. Probably, yeah.

So let's see. You can't even do cocaine in this country anymore, you know? And that seems like a crazy thing to say. Don't say that. Don't say that. But I said it. But yeah, but don't say that anymore. The last one I went to is some dude's selling a fucking boat at one of them.

Exactly. And we're like, you can't do. We're trying to get off drugs, dude. And yeah, and some guys started bidding on the bottom. And they had made him take it outside. Yeah, because it's outside issues or whatever. Dude, I wasn't in a meeting. Some guy had a fish hook stuck in his freaking cheek, dude.

Really? Yeah. Wow. Wow. Man. But he had two weeks clean. Yeah. He'd either had a really bad night or really good night.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Who knows what's happened? Oh. Yeah. It's just like, all right, dude. Catch him release, brother.

catch and release. I would argue that that's very funny. But I would argue that that's the quality that the Democrats keep looking for and send Gavin Newsom out doing exactly the opposite, which is just being a person around a comedian or a podcast host.

But I don't see any evidence of substance stuff there. But good vice president. What do you think? Yeah, I mean, I think shout out to the chat for sharing. I think that he had made comments about addiction and that he had prescribed some pain pills and he had realized wow these are amazing you know and i don't like that how slippery that slope is um i think you know with

with any good what makes a good vice president is that they are just like any good CEO you know you have to staff your weaknesses and jd vance is very authentic and trump is not yeah trump is larger than life. I mean, like, and again, like, interesting. Hardcore, like Trump was like, ah, but like, it's true. He's not like, he knows how to get authentic and talk to me, but JD comes across as a guy that, like, has been through some stuff because he actually has.

I mean, if people know who have seen the movie, Hillbilly, uh, he'll billy, uh, he'll billy, I forget what, allergy, allergy, yeah, elegy, um, very relatable. Um, you made it such a great point about how Democrats have been trying to manufacture this. Let me bring up a great example. Kamala Harrison or Doritos or Hillary Clinton or hot sauce. Two of the most ridiculous things ever. When Trump's like, I eat McDonald's, I look at Trump and I'm like, that dude does eat McDonald's. You know what I mean?

Like his order came out, right? His order came out as like news, his famous order. Donald Trump doesn't order off the McDonald's menu. He orders off the secret menu. I think his burger is a McAngbang. I think people, pardon my language, but that's what. It's like a filet of fish and two, like, that dude eats McDonald's. There's nobody in the world that doesn't believe Donald Trump eats McDonald's.

I don't know why Democrats just, like, why did Kamala Harris say, like, oh, I love my Doritos. No one in the world calls them Doritos. And she's like, I love my Doritos or I am like Carrie Mahazos. When JD talks about stuff, it's very clearly coming from a position of experience and authenticity. I know people, some people don't love them for. the next candidate, but what I will say is he's everything Trump isn't. He's more like down to earth.

He's more, even if you watch his ex profile or look at, remember his debate, Dr. Drew, his debate with Tim Walz, he destroyed him what, how by looking at the camera. Like he looked at the camera with his like, can you believe this guy? And like, it turned into a meme sensation. And so I think he's a great vice president. He softens Trump a little bit. He humanizes Trump.

and maybe that's what they thought Joe Biden did for Obama, I don't know. But I think J.D. is a great vice president. And they should lighten your load too, right? Trump's 100 years old. J.D. Vance should be doing heavy lifting. That's what the vice president's for. You bring in the big guns for the, you know,

the Israel-Palestine peace deal. Bring in Trump for that. Let J.D. Vance handle the union strikes and all this other kind of stuff. And the Yvonne. and Theo Vaughan, which by the way, you know, I think that podcast, you know, Theo Vaughan and Trump was okay, but Theo Vaughan and J.D. was actually a riot. Like, it was hilarious. And, um, yeah, J.D. Vance is a big reason why Trump won in, uh, in, uh, in 2024. There's, there's no denying that. Whether you like him or not. well he um he he has the credentials uh for sure jaddy vance and and uh he seems like a legitimate guy and now he seems more real to me seeing him with theo um there's one this is me personally there's one very

unfortunate reaction i have oh are you ready about his rapid weight loss the south part the south Park character boss boss boss oh yeah you know what though it's funny i can't help it i can't help it it's very unfortunate it doesn't help him but i can't see it yeah it is funny he's a tattoo or uh what is what is it uh who is this actual character tattoo yeah he uh i know yeah right i can't think it was it but yeah south park i mean look i think south park can be very funny i think meaming on trump is hilarious. Trump is very memeable. This is undeniable. He says crazy stuff. He's a bombastic guy. He's goofy looking. His hair is hilarious. There's lots of material there.

JD on there. I think, I thought South Park their kind of take down it was funny. I just wish they had something else. You know like yeah, Trump's overweight and has small way. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. Like give me they use fat JD too. Give me skinny J.D. Like give me skinny JD. Well, You know what? Here, look at this.

I know, I know we got to go. But, you know, this is what I have on my set. I have, like, a 3D. printed, like, fat. The JD Vance memes are, like, they're unbelievable. Like, I, like, as long as he embraces the meme, he is. He just doesn't keep embracing the, like, when he's in, like, Vegas doing his, like, dance stuff. And they had them, the UK had those big fat J.D. Vance, like, balls. You know how many people want to buy those, Dr. Drew?

like I would pay a thousand dollars for one of those like I just have it at my house and people so like just embrace it and that's what makes him very effective in his role and I know that we're out of time but I want to thank you so much you've been a part of my life for many many years like many people and I have the utmost respect for you for speaking truth to power and and using your platform to share truth and and to fight against a lot of the propaganda out there at any cost. So I'm so thankful for being here. Yeah, it's very kind. Very kind. Freedom all of a sudden became this essential fight. And speaking, you know, what I believe to be true and questioning things seems to become a thing. And so I just kept doing it. And there's an ensconced elite that I

did not realize was so tightly bound into our bureaucratic federal government that is destroying us is really a problem and uh and it supersedes party doesn't it once you realize that yeah once you see it's not even a democrat or republican thing you know like it's no it's not at all yeah i yeah i appreciate you so much it's a yeah well thank you my friend and uh thank you for the quartering we're all fans here and uh we will see you there and good luck with the coffee Thanks so much. You have a great rest of your shelf. All right. Yes, sir. Thank you. All right, we're going to switch gears a little bit, and we're going to talk to Apollo Pappas.

He can be found on X with that name. Also, tina peters.us. You'll hear why that is the case. Apollo, are you with us? Yes, I am. Can you hear me, sir? There you are you are, I hear you, but I do not see you yet. There we go. There you are. There you are at the beautiful American flag behind you. so tell us we interviewed oh goodness i'm going to blank christina bob christina christina uh christina bob and she mentioned tina peters or she wanted to talk about tina peters and we did not have a chance to with her but she sent us to you as a representative of tina's and

now taking over the mic on her behalf so what tell us the whole story if you can sure well i'll do my best there's a lot to tina peter's story as I'm sure anyone who's tried to really figure it out has probably understood very quickly. In terms of speaking for Tina, I have been asked by Tina simply to keep her show alive. The show is called The Truth Matters, and it's one of Tina's catchphrases and something that I think is very important. For most people, Tina Peters' story really starts back in 2021 with what has been called the trusted build by the Secretary of State in Colorado. There's a lot more to it, which I'll get into as time allows. But essentially, Tina Peters, who has now been in prison for over a year,

she's been in prison since October 3rd, 2024 for doing her job. She was the clerking recorder of Mesa County. What she did is make a backup of the Mesa County EMS. And this was a problem because essentially she disobeyed the orders of the Secretary of State in doing so. Now, I say that because it's important because there are distinctions regarding Tina's role in the reasoning for what she did, what she did in backing up those election records that is key to her prosecution, which was a targeted persecution. She's essentially been crucified because he is one of the few individuals in the entire country

who had the nerve to back up election records that has now provided evidence, clear forensic evidence that the Dominion voting systems are not only, uncertified, making the elections uncertified in the first place, but that there was actually fraud that was carried out and that the election machines to manipulate. Yes, yes, sir. A quick, quick question.

Now, my understanding, this is not to get you off course, but just because it's top of mind for me, that the Dominion company has now been purchased at a sort of sounds like a fire sale. And do you have any information about why that happened and what that's going to to mean? Well, I don't think it's random, certainly.

I'm not going to speculate as to all the reasons, but I think it's very important that people know. Number one, there was a hearing just last week for Tina Peter's habeas case, and that is simply to have her out on bonded appeal. The fact that she is not as a travesty, but we can get more into that. In terms of Dominion, there were exhibits filed in Tina Peters case that were whistleblower testimony from Smarmatic. These were officials from Venezuela, and this code essentially is what became through a number of acquisitions, Dominion Voting System.

These two witness testimonies made under oath that they were, the first one, worked intimately with the engineering team, for SmartMatic, and that the software was developed in order to steal and manipulate elections undetectably. the second whistleblower stated many things to the same and that he worked directly with the Hugo Chavez regime where he witnessed many of these things take place and he witnessed the elections being stolen and spoke to some of the mechanisms that that happened by. So the fact that Dominion voting systems, after the last several years,

after these defamation suits, levied against anyone in the media who had the nerve to speak out about Dominion and the role in elections and the very clear and obvious problems that have been evidence going all the way back to Antrim County, for example, where I believe it was 8,000 votes

that were supposed to go to Biden versus 2,000 to Trump, when questions suddenly flipped and it was blamed on human error as they have been, you know, every time we have a problem with the machines all over the country for the last several years. Now that there's witness testimony stating specifically

that some of these individuals who worked with the Venezuelan regime and Smartmatic, also now work for Dominion and work in the United States this being the entire crux of why Tina was prosecuted because of the image that she made which gave proof

that Dominion was committing fraud I don't think it's random that just now all of a sudden the company is being sold and you know of course they also have many other things that are being litigated in the courts in other states regarding elections but funny enough

they actually included a really nice name called Liberty Vote and a logo that looks oddly familiar to Tina Peters. There's a dark part of me that thinks they're actually just mocking her. But end all, be all, whatever the money amount was, I think it's because they're going to try and dust off the Dominion idea because so much has come out and they can't get away from the stigma. And they'll try to say that this is a new company and it's, you know,

fix all the problems that we've had with the voting machines that have refused to be adjudicated by the courts so far. And now you have taken over her program. Tell us about that. Well, very simply, Tina Peters should be here having this interview with you, in fact. He should be running her own show. She should be hosting her own show. Tina Peters, as I stated earlier, has been in prison for a year. The reason for that is because while she was not charged,

while the media will say that she was charged for tampering with elections, not true. He was charged with conducts, or accounts of official misconduct, identity theft, impersonation, and things along those nature. Key witnesses in her trial were actually caught to be perjuring themselves and in fact exonerated her because again, essentially what she did

is she thought that there were problems going on. Her as the clerk and recorder of Mesa County, she is obligated under state and federal law in that position to maintain a, election record. This is U.S. Code Title 52, Section 20701, and then two and three, you know, following note. But it is a crime for her to alter, tamper with, or for those records to be deleted. She sensed that there were problems going on with the equipment. She wanted to make sure that she was filling her duty, her sworn duty as the clerk, to back up those election records.

she asked because the Secretary of State was pushing out a trusted build which essentially was found because of her image to completely wipe all of the election records and the logs from the election. So as a matter of fact, Tina Peters is the only clerk

apart from Dallas Schroeder who then turned over his records to the Secretary of State. Tina Peters is the only clerk who is actually in accordance with federal law regarding the 2020 election because she's the only one who preserved them while everyone else had theirs wiped when the secretary of state of colorado jenna griswold and her office pushed through the trusted build now she reached out to the secretary of state to ask if these records

would be preserved they essentially told her to fly a kite uh mesa county said they didn't have the expertise to deal with it or to do a backup so she went out under her authority which which is articulated in the Mesa County contract with Dominion. She stated that she would like help. She ended up bringing in an individual who performed the backup. And this later became the reason for her being persecuted. And they used all kinds of justifications to charge her with these various things so that they could make her an example.

They could send a message to everyone else that if you dare question the integrity of these things that we're told are a gold standard, we will make your life hell. we will come after you, and they very carefully formatted it so that it didn't actually bring the concept of the dominion validity and the accuracy of the machines into the courtroom, which is why Hedgebair is very clear about it, not being about it.

So that is the sort of the foundation of lawfare, isn't it? You can figure out a way to get somebody without in any way getting at the actual substance of the case in question. you can figure out some way to get them convicted of something. It's much like going after Al Capone for tax evasion, right? Same kind of idea. You mentioned that the habeas request was particularly motivated or something.

You just alluded to it. What happened there? Well, the issue with the habeas, because it's a separate track, you have, you know, there's actual convictions in the state of Colorado, and then you have the habeas suit. The reason the habeas suit is necessary in the first place is because, because Tina was given consecutive sentences completely inappropriate with the considerations for Colorado law and the things that will qualify you for bond is she's not a danger to the public and she's not a flight rip. Those are really the only two things. This is a white collar crime on trumped up charges anyways. But the judge, because he stated in his own words, that she was a danger to the public because her platform allowed her to cause such loss of confidence in the systems of government and the elections that she deserved to be

in prison. He sends her to consecutive sentences and denied her bond on appeal because of her speech. Those are in the judge's own words. So the federal habeas track right now is simply to have her out on appeal while she's been sitting in prison for a year. And again, in the judge's own words, he set a precedent stating that if you have any platform that a member of the judiciary finds threatening to the political establishment, we can put you in prison, deny, in fact, outright violate your first and in alignment with the hearing eighth, ninth, 14th amendment because we deem it so.

It's a travesty, and so not only is Tita Peter's a hero in terms of preserving election records, an example of federal lawfare, because this was directed and in concert with the Biden, DOJ, and FBI. He's also one of the preeminent constitutional examples of free speech that we have in this country. So, how old are you? I'm 34. You seem like a young man to be involved with this mess. How did you get involved with it? And have you always had your eye on these kinds of issues?

Or did you come upon it and couldn't look away kind of thing? What's your story with this? well i i was always a bit politically minded i rather earlier in my life i considered going to law school which honestly have reconsidered us after the last several years um but i was very minded in terms of corruption do it we need you on and on we do lawyers we got to clean up the legal system man it is a mess oh it's bad it's really bad um but i i kind of focused on a few things back going uh before all the 2020 election things. I saw what was going on, a lot of lawfare. And I kind of got forced by my own conscience into getting involved in this in 2020 when I saw the summer of love and the George

Floyd riots. So I saw a lot of people getting hurt, and I saw law enforcement being told to stand down while these organized groups were going around hurting people. So me being an older sibling, I have five younger siblings. I just had to look around and see what exactly am I going to leave for them to inherit. I don't do something. So I started tracking these groups and would infiltrate them to try and get pictures of leadership. And it led me kind of, you know, round robin to being on the news and production side. And since then, it really is something I can't look away from. Tell me a little more about that. So you embedded yourself in the summer of love stuff. Where were you? Where did you embed yourself? What did you find? Well, this was in, this

was, we call it Antifa. We'll call it Antifa, though it's much larger than that. I was on the ground, so we had some teams of people infiltrating chats and tracking their movement online. And we had liaisons working with law enforcement. So what I would do is we would identify where they were staging in order to disrupt and cause the riots. And I would then, you know, I would dress up and go into their groups. And I would try to get photos and identify those who are leadership so that we could send those law enforcement. And it was then I saw very, very clear organized tactics that most people were either not paying attention to or the groups on the ground were just not prepared to deal with.

So I wanted people to be safe and I tried to advise so that people can do that. And so when you hear people now making claims that, oh, when Tifa doesn't exist, it's a talking point, how do you respond to that? Well, the very premise is silly. I mean, I know they like to run the idea that it's just an idea. And in the ironic V for Vendetta kind of vain, you can't kill an idea, it's actually very true because what we see now, a lot of these groups that are still operating, not all of them are paid, not all of them are organized.

A lot of them actually believe this because they've been indoctrinating our children in elementary middle school through a lot of these programs talking about critical race theory and all these various things where they've really convinced. the youth, which are now the people who are, you know, around my age, that what they live under is tyranny and that, you know, we have all these racial problems and the entire country and system of law is corrupt. So it's actually kind of a self-fulfilling prophecy, but in terms of these groups, not only are they organized, they're very well funded, but the problem is everyone likes to call them Antifa. You know, there have been released videos of federal workers. This is

where it gets into the ideology from every federal agency. There's another Greek, actually, Taipse Hori-Mades. He released video showing these people all on camera organizing. These are people actively in the federal administrations, FDA, NIH, CDC, FBI, Justice Department. And these people are all on camera talking about how they plan and are actively working to disrupt sabotage and cause problems for the Trump administration while they are in these federal positions. And then you have these groups that are all organizing them and coaching them on the ideology

and how they can use nonviolent noncompliance, what they call it. And so we have a big problem because, you know, when we talk about a lot of issues in the Trump administration, without being able to really see that or not knowing that it's going on at that level, you can't really see this beast that's being waged within our own federal administration. So it's much bigger than Antifa.

But the problem is we get caught up on labels. And really, we're in a civil war right now that is difficult to see if you're paying attention only to the small groups that like to wave a banner. What would you recommend to help disrupt some of this? What is your sort of, what would you advocate and are people listening to you both? Well, I don't think it's so much about people listening to me. number one I think people need to pay attention to some of these federal officials you know when things like that are reported I was dismayed I heard earlier you were talking about journalism and I think that's probably the greatest need that this country has right

now because truth truthfully in my opinion they're few and far between and people get caught up in self-preservation and ego and all kinds of things but the mission really should be we have as Tina's show is called the truth that matter and a country that will fall from within if we don't really focus on what the future of this nation is going to look like if the people are not able to hear true information and analyze it for themselves

and understand really what is going on. So I think it's important that if you see some of these things, don't get caught up in thinking it's just Antifa. There's kind of a Norwellian saying, see something, say something. But just in Tina Peters case, he did exactly that. he's paying the price but the only reason is that more people haven't been

speaking up I mean how many other clerks were there in this country it's just Tina Peters that is currently being being targeted this way so it's the same thing so Apollo do you with I understand what you're saying and so we have to kind of wrap up here do you have a call to action for people given given what you're saying other than say something is there a specific sort of called action that you're advocating Well, I would ask people, pay attention because they're actively organizing online. Make sure that you find the actual videos that are out there.

You can find them on my socials and elsewhere. But pay attention so you understand. Reports and these things, the law enforcement, you know, not all of them are bad. It's easy to say that. But if that were true, we'd be in a much worse place. And when it comes to Tina Peters, she needs your help. He's been left on the wayside and thrown to the wolves. So you can follow the information in her case filings at tina peters.us, but she also needs legal help.

She's got a very long court process going on that's going to last probably another year, if not longer. Assuming even breastcase scenario that she's let out on her habeas suit in the next week or so, she still has that and she's bringing it by herself. She needs your help. And if you could donate to help her legal defense, you can find that on tina peters.us. and then also follow Apollo Pappas on X. Apollo, thank you for coming by today. Appreciate it. Thank you.

God bless you. And Caleb, what was that picture you were having alongside of Apollo there? Is that... So this is a post... Yeah, go ahead. It was posted by Jack Pesobic. Let me see if I can pull this back up real quick. But it's an image that he shows, I believe, if I remember correctly, if this is the same story,

it was images that were inside and... Antifa hideout that shows basically like a hit list. It's basically like all of the... Oh, interesting. What it appears to be is it's all the journalists, like especially the conservative journalists that are in the area, they're trying to keep track of them. And it, you know, it looks like a hit list. Like these are the people they're going to, they go after these ones to get beaten. And what Apollo was just saying is exactly what we heard from Paul Alexander four years ago, and you've been replaying on some of the intros to these episodes. It's like, we run things here. We're the ones of the bureaucrats.

And we started talking about during COVID how bureaucracy, you know, and the Jacobins, remember my preoccupation with the French Revolution and all, bureaucracy was the problem. And now it's self-evidently true that that thing was going on. And as it's being torn apart, it's being exposed. And it's not going to go down what was Robert Frost's way of saying, gently into that good night. It's going to be a struggle. So we must get back to the truth, as Apollo said.

Let's put up the upcoming guest here. We have a show tomorrow at 2 o'clock. No, no, we don't have a show tomorrow because I'm getting surgery tomorrow. The next show will be Tuesday at 2 o'clock, J.P. Aaron Siri with Ryan Sickler, the great Ryan Sickler. There's the upcoming guest, Todd Rose, Salty Cracker on the 6th. I could give you specifics on everybody. I could try to do that if I have a second.

Caleb, do you want to pull that up? Yeah, yeah. Some details I know is that Aaron Siri is the attorney that's worked with, I believe, Children's Health Defense and is chasing some of these cases for people that were vaccine injured. He just had a hit. He's run about him on the New York Times, which is a huge honor. I hope he printed and framed that.

Then Chanel Ryan, she is... Whatever they're attacking will prove to be true. It seems to be 100% of that. They claim misinformation for what ends up being true always. Ryan Sickler, in addition to being a great comedian. having a great podcast. He was attacked during the summer of love. He has a whole story that's just mind-boggling. Keep going. Who else we got?

Then we have Dr. Todd Rose that's coming up after on the 4th of November. And then we have salty cracker, of course. Everyone loves him. He's going to be here on November 6th. And we'll have a few other shows, I think, that might be added to the schedule between. So just keep checking Dr. Drew.com. And Chanel is somebody I recommended because I think I saw her on X or something. And there's something very interesting. She's an American

One American News host, investigative journalist. She had some interesting stuff up. We'll give you the details as the day's approach. We appreciate you all being here. Thank you for joining us on the re-stream. Let me look quickly at what you guys are talking there. Dylan Thomas. Yeah, I get Dylan Thomas Robert Frost mixed up all the time.

Was it Dylan Thomas that did Do Not Go Gentleman to that Good Night or Robert Frost? And they could not be two more different guys. Frost was a professor ultimately at Amherst College where I went to school. And Dylan Thomas died of alcoholism, I think in Ireland, if I remember right. I think that's true of Dillon Thomas. Let me look at your quote. Your restream post here. If there's anything, anybody is interested in.

Please, if I did not get that right about Dillon Thomas, please set me straight. I'm thinking about somebody else. All right. Hold on here. You guys aren't setting me straight. Maybe we'll run on the Rumble rants. Somebody will know more than,

me. Yeah, it's a, no, it's a cancer. It's not a pre-cancer. I've got a cancer on my forehead. It's a, not a pre-cancer. It's a full-on micronodular basal cell, which is a nasty kind of basal cell, and it has to be taken out completely, or it will recur and move around, not distantly, but it tends to move around. All right, that will do it. You guys aren't, you guys aren't up on your poets, your American and Irish poets. I think, Dylan Thomas Irish, right? I mean, I went to The two years I spent

in college, I was trying to get a creative writing degree and once it got to the poetry part, I was like, I think I'm out of here. I don't think I can do this. It's too short. I have to have long, lengthy, novel-length stuff to get my thoughts out. And that was kind of downhill

from there and then I quit. Well, I got a book deal, so I quit because of that. It looks like Dylan Thomas. I think it is Dylan Thomas. Dylan Thomas and I he lived for

he died as they all in his 40s or not even 40 like 39 and the question is did he die of alcoholism that's my really quick hold on

we got to do a little you know a little liberal arts here good liberal arts Thomas died of pneumonia for rational plans

he was brought back to Wales and buried in a church chart chart there i could have sworn he drank him so pneumonia and a 39 year old humbly is alcoholism or drug addiction uh let's jide for effects of no come on died from the effects of smog give me a break that is nonsense uh that's so ridiculous um isn't that so crazy where that's where we are now where we find some horses and read it and we're like come on that doesn't make

any sense. It's like you can't trust anything anymore. Well, it's good. We're getting... Yeah, it's like you have to have your, you know, spiny senses all the time, no matter how legitimate the outlet might be. It's like, something doesn't sound right about this. It's good. That is good news. Yeah. It's one of the good things about COVID. Is it really woke a lot of people up, including me. I question everything now. Dylan Thomas, it says, died of alcoholism. So let's see if there's any other ones. Shane McGowan and Brendan. No, Dylan Thomas, who I was thinking of. right we will leave it there and i will see you all on tuesday i'll probably have a big pat or something on

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