Ask Dr. Drew - The RFK Files Coverup & Failed State Of California w/ Mark Groubert & Chris Moritz – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 478
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Well, apparently Tulsi Gabbard has over 100 personnel working on Around the Clock to prepare
the RFK files for release.
We also have Chris that will be commenting on that.
We have Mark Roberta, I'll tell you about him in a second.
And then Chris Moritz, he's the Unraveling of California is a case study in the perils
of unchecked oligarchy.
We're going to talk to him after we talk to Mark.
Mark is a writer, editor, producer, publisher,
screenwriter.
He has written on LA Weekly,
editor for National Lampoon Magazine,
producer for HBO, MTV, screenwriter,
journalist, really, as I think of him.
He hosts America's Untold Story on YouTube.
And Chris has a lengthy pedigree,
including an MPH from University of Cambridge,
JD from NYU.
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And we're gonna bring our friend Mark Rubea here to talk first about the RFK files.
But the other thing I always use Mark for is to tell me where are we geopolitical, sort
of historical, politically, socially.
Mark is my great, Mark is my crystal brain.
Well, I have a few crystal brains in my life And Mark is one of them to help me understand
where I am and where we're going.
So I'll just let you start there.
Well, I think to sum it up,
I think we're looking at civil war around the world.
The repression and the tactics of repression
that are going on in Western Europe,
in Ireland and UK and Scotland,
that is a powder keg that just needs a light,
that's gonna blow,
you're gonna see something here happen the same way.
This situation is-
Well, hang on, slow down, slow down, slow up, slow up.
You're delivering bad news as you often do.
Oh, I'm sorry.
Is this the Dr. Drew show?
Yeah.
Yeah.
But let me understand what the powder keg is.
Are you saying people are gonna react to the repression?
Yeah, it's basically it.
Or they're gonna come down on people violently
because they fight off the repression?
I mean, how's that gonna work?
When you're being arrested in the United Kingdom
for tweeting, physically arrested,
this can only go on for so long.
When you are arresting the leading candidate
in the nation of France,
who could walk into the presidency,
this can't go on much longer.
When you are arresting the president-elect of Romania,
this cannot go on much longer.
I could talk slower,
but it's not gonna make the thing go away.
The situation here in the United States.
But I'm trying to- No, no, no, no. I'm trying to away. The situation here in the United States. No, no, no, no.
The situation here in the United States
with this Carmelo Anthony case that you now see,
that could be the powder keg that ignites
a George Floyd situation again.
So I mean, I could go around every country and point it out,
but I think what you're gonna get into,
and I'm not the only one saying this,
there are quite a few smart,
erudite UK professors talking about this.
The situation is going to be like a Northern Ireland
situation with sectarian violence for many years.
Started by some sort of-
In the UK.
UK, Ireland, here, Romania, France,
it's going to be around the world
because they are not stopping.
The repression is not stopping.
And look, until it does,
if you're doing what Mike Benz talked about
in the USAID files that he uncovered
is something called transitional justice
is the phrase used by the deep state
to lock up your opponents, Drew.
That's what's happening in Romania,
that's what's happening in France,
that's what's happening in countries around the world,
and that's what happened here with Donald Trump
on a number of occasions.
So you're imagining, I mean, you're predicting a world
where there's sort of like a domestic terrorism
that you're talking about, right?
The Northern Island was all about.
The closest thing I could think of is Northern Island
back in the day.
It was often on violence, you know what I mean?
That type of civil war drew within its own boundaries.
The ethnic stuff with the groomers in UK
is reaching ahead with Sharma denying that this is going on
while these kids are being sexually abused in the UK.
This is not able to be sustained long term
before groups of people begin to snap.
So again, I want to make sure I hear you.
So you're saying the repressors that you're talking about
are going to be faced with some violent pushback.
Yeah.
That violent pushback is going to create
another counter violence of some type.
Exactly, exactly.
What do we, I guess I get,
if that's inevitable, what do we need to do
to prepare for it?
What should we, what should the average person do?
I don't know what the spark plug is gonna be
or what the igniting fuse incident is gonna be.
That's unpredictable.
Nobody predicted George Floyd.
This, you know, this illegal immigration
and changing of cultures around the world
is only sustainable for a certain amount of time.
The elections don't seem to work for these people.
They ambush their candidates now for the elections.
So look, we may be past the tipping point
in terms of world civil wars going on in numerous countries.
And when you say these people,
how do you characterize the repressors?
Globalists, you know, one earthers,
world economic forum, we see the repression in Canada,
we see the brutal repression in Australia,
in UK, in France.
You and I growing up, if we were to talk about this
in the 1970s, we would be laughed out of the classroom.
And yet today again, people being arrested
for tweeting improper things in the UK,
there's video after video after video of them arresting,
you know, Tommy Robinson types or just regular people.
I was looking at two or three new videos this morning
on X of UK police, London police picking up people
for improperly using social media.
This is not sustainable, Drew, I'm sorry.
Yeah, what I can't get over is that in my liberal heritage
one of the things I clung to with the greatest
Passion and and and uh, what am I?
I guess uh
I don't have a good word for it right now, but but it was you know, the bill of rights and I found that was a liberal
Thing I was getting shit from the right always
all through my radio career.
And I was a very strong advocate
for what I thought were these liberal values
were now those people who were telling me to shut up
during COVID and other things.
And that shift, I can't get over it.
And I saw it kind of happen,
it became this sort of repuse of repressing rights.
Well, they don't have a bill of
rights over there.
Canada does not have a First
Amendment, UK does not have
a Second Amendment.
We are in a lot of ways
bulletproof and we've had our
system tested to the max the last
five years and
have somehow come through it.
The European Union, which is, you know,
unelected officials operating out of a central government
in Brussels, I'm calling it the Soviet Eastern European,
the Soviet European Union.
They have similarities, ethnic states,
one world view, five year agriculture plans.
They can stop elections in any of their members countries.
They have a central bank.
The similarities to the USSR and the EU,
and I'm just giving you a couple, there's about 50.
You could go down the line.
They are the new USSR, which is called the EU,
but I'm calling it the Soviet European Union
because that's what they've become.
Yeah, it's interesting too.
I do a lot of listening to the French,
different listen to French radio and things
and what's going on over there.
And just this morning, they were saying
that the economic situation
is completely unsustainable
in France and they were blaming it on,
one of the things they were hanging it on
was local Green Party cities,
Green Parties that had taken over major cities.
And they were, and what they said in this interview was,
this is not the Green Party. This is the Green Party, but it's Marxism clo is not the Green Party.
This is the Green Party,
but it's Marxism cloaked in the Green Party.
And that's really what's going on here.
Yeah.
I mean, when you're locking up your opponents in elections,
it's not a coincidence that it's happening
in country after country after country after country.
Look at Bolsonaro in Brazil.
Look at the president in Romania.
Look at what's going on with Marie Le Pen.
This is an offensive strategy by the globalists
who now have their backs to the wall.
The elections is not a sustainable thing
they can control any longer.
They're now resorting to lawfare, as we saw here and
we continue to see in our new type of government, which is called a critocracy. We now live
in a total critocracy. And you can go back to the Old Testament to find out what that
means. We have a society run by judges, unelected judges who now decide the
foreign policy of the United States, the domestic policy of the United States, and continue
to interrupt the chief executive of the United States who had 75 million people vote for
him.
This is called a critocracy.
There's no way around it. You have
to deal with this in some legal manner or quasi legal manner. Otherwise, this whole
democracy thing is a sham, Drew. Well, I still have faith, Mark, that that's some functioning
of them. And we have the brilliance of our state system too, that I think is our buffer against a lot of the things
that other countries face that we will not.
But that I do have some faith that the ballot box
will be our salvation before too much
of what you're predicting breaks out.
So I want to transition over to RFK.
Now you've been deep in all that world.
Explain to people why you're the right person
to talk about this.
Well, in terms of just the JFK files,
I mean, I have been studying this for 50 years.
I've written about it.
I've written a mini-series with Oliver Stone
on Lee Harvey Oswald.
I've written a script on LBJ with Oliver Stone.
So I've worked in the film business
trying to get these projects made.
I have a channel called America's Untold Stories
where we've done about 200 videos on the JFK conspiracy.
So I am quite well versed in this.
Recently, what Drew is talking about here
is Tulsi Gabbard coming out and finally releasing,
not the JFK files, the JFK files we've been studying
since the 1992 assassination record review board.
Law was put into effect following JFK the movie,
which became the JFK records act,
which led to the assassination recorders review board, which led to the Assassination Records Review Board,
which led to the first releases
and declassification of the JFK files.
So that's been going on since 1992.
There were some files still remaining
that Trump has now released
and people are going through them now,
unredacted files, mostly about foreign governments
and intelligence operations and Mexico City
and Australia and things of that nature.
But there's never been anything on the RFK front
and the RFK files along with the MLK files
reside in the Justice Department.
And in that Justice Department are files,
and I don't know what they are,
because we almost got the case reopened
in terms of the RFK assassination.
People now understand as RFK Jr. does,
both of us were involved, myself and RFK Jr.,
in the last parole hearing of Sirhan Sirhan,
who's the oldest inmate in the California penal system.
He has been proven repeatedly through science,
through Thomas Noguchi's quote unquote perfect autopsy
and the examination of Thane Eugene Caesar.
Sirhan has been in many people's minds absolved
of killing RFK and RFK Jr. particularly knows this.
He's met with Sirhan and as I said,
both of us were involved in his parole.
We got him paroled and Newsome got some calls
from the two sisters of RFK who felt threatened
that a 78 year old man who was about five foot two
would somehow take an Uber from Pasadena to Malibu
and kill them, their words, not mine.
And he put the Gubash on his own parole board's
recommendation to release Sirhan Sirhan.
That's what RFK Jr. and I had done.
And we both have examined this case very closely
and it seems apparent to anybody
and this is far simpler than the JFK case.
The RFK case is as simple as apple pie
because the ballistics of the case have a gun
in back of RFK's head, either touching the back of his head
by his ears, right ear, and also the stippling
and gunpowder residue,
the ballistics report and the coroner's report.
Again, Thomas Noguchi's almost perfect autopsy
with every single coroner of the medical
of the military world with him during that autopsy
proves that he was shot from behind by close range.
And the only one there was a security guard
named Thane Eugene Caesar.
So let me talk about Noguchi for a second
because I met him once.
That dude botched so many autopsies.
I wanted to do a series called Botched Autopsies
based on his celebrity autopsies.
Every one was a joke.
I was looking at Natalie Wood's autopsy.
Have you ever seen the report on that?
I have not.
I assume she drowned somehow.
She drowned, but it's amazing she was breathing before she went in the water when you read
her medication list.
It's unbelievable.
The amount of barbs and benzos and opiates.
I was like, oh my God, no wonder she drowned.
She couldn't breathe. She was list. It's unbelievable. The amount of barbs and benzos and opiates.
I was like, oh my God, no wonder she drowned.
She couldn't breathe when she was standing on the deck.
And no comment about any of that in the autopsy.
Well, in this particular autopsy, he said out loud,
he did not want this to be another Bethesda Naval Hospital autopsy of JFK.
So he brought in a representative
of each military branch, Air Force,
Marines, Army, Navy were all there
at the autopsy due to oversee it.
So this was a pretty well
documented autopsy in terms of
Noguchi's life.
And again- Let me also, I would tell you another story about him. I actually met him. pretty well documented autopsy in terms of Noguchi's life.
And again-
Let me also, I'm gonna tell you another story about him.
I actually met him.
I was in a documentary with him about John,
my gosh, the comedian from Sudden At Live
that died of an opioid overdose.
He did Belushi's autopsy too, yeah.
Yeah, Belushi, he did Belushi's autopsy.
And we were sitting in this waiting room together
and I go, yeah, addiction is tough.
You know, this disease gets, it'll kill people.
He goes, he's not a drug addict.
I go, what?
What are you talking about?
He goes, oh no, some girl just injected him with a hot shot.
He was just experimenting with drugs.
I, there's this girl, maybe it's not a murder,
but it just, you know, they were just doing drugs together
and that day it took a little too much.
Like, what are you talking about?
I can't believe you do autopsy in the county.
He can't prove as a coroner whether a guy's an addict
unless he's got needle marks up and down his arms,
right Drew?
The point is he had zero, and when I say zero,
I mean zero understanding of what addiction is.
Forget whether somebody is or is not an addict.
You said that about most of your medical colleagues, right?
How dare you?
How dare you, Mark Rubeiro.
But the answer is I have grave concerns
about the level of understanding of the complexity
of this thing we call addiction,
even by people who claim to be addiction experts.
It's a gravely, you have to spend decades of your career
interacting with multiple disciplines with this disease
to have a passing understanding of it, frankly.
But most people understand maybe it's neurobiology.
What's your simple definition of addiction?
A repetitive behavior that makes your life unmanageable
that you wanna stop and you can't.
I think that would be a good street level explanation.
Right, Joe?
You left out two things.
You left out two things.
Progression, it always progresses.
And this is the part that nobody talks about anymore.
And then there's always some degree of denial.
Denial is how it operates.
Okay, well those are signed, I would say those are four and five on the list of the top three.
Well, they are four and five but they are defining. They're actually defining. If you
don't have those two things you have to go, maybe this is an addiction. We have to look, be carefully.
So, well not everyone's in denial. Some people simply don't want to, don't want to,
hide,
well,
oh,
repeatedly and couldn't stop or didn't stop.
Yeah, well,
denial,
denial,
it might get an asterisk.
We're getting into the weeds because,
because how could anybody continue to destroy themselves
if they had full clarity on what was happening?
Whether it's lying or distorting or minimizing
or whatever it is, that's all denial.
That's all some level of denial.
Denial is a very broad category.
Getting back to these files,
I'm much more excited about the RFK and the MLK files
because these have never been released.
I don't know what's in there.
I'm very excited.
Now we here trying to, myself and Paul Schrade
and other people, Paul Schrade was shot in the head.
The first person shot by Sirhan inside the pantry
at the Ambassador Hotel here in Los Angeles.
The first bullet went into the front of the head
of Paul Schrade of the United Auto Workers,
a close friend of the Kennedy family.
Paul Schrade worked continuously to get the case reopened
and we almost got it reopened.
And the attorney general of the state of California
denied at the last minute to reopen the case.
And her name was Kamala Harris.
This gets deeper and deeper all the time.
Yeah, it goes deep into California politics
because many of the people originally involved in the case
have now been promoted up the ladder.
Many are Supreme Court justices, attorney generals, DAs
have all moved up the ladder since the original trials.
Is it just avoiding embarrassment or is it hubris
that has them sort of manifesting such certitude?
Well, they looked at it as an open and shut case.
I mean, keep in mind the two top LAPD officers involved
in the case, Manny Chutamapena, who was a lieutenant
at the time and Hank Hernandez, who was a Sergeant,
were both trained at Camp Peary
by the CIA.
That has come out in documents.
So these were the two top intelligence officers,
part of an organization that was called
Senator,
S-U-S, who was called Senator Up investigation
about the Senator.
And those two guys who were running the investigation with both CIA
trained operatives,
both in Camp Peary, by the way,
in Virginia.
So they were the ones who were
stove piping the investigation from
day one.
These force as an intelligence
unit with connections to the
intelligence, national intelligence
agencies.
But yeah, I mean, this case,
they pinned it on Sirhan,
literally had an article in his
pocket saying I did it essentially.
It was an article about RFK saying
he was going to give jets to Israel
when he was elected president.
And also at the college here, which is now in North Hollywood,
I forget the name of the college,
it was Valley College back in the day.
He spoke there during his campaign in March of 1968.
And he said, only the powers of the presidency
will allow me to reopen the case against my
brother's murder.
And he was dead within 60 days of saying that.
He had never said that before.
And that might have been his death warrant by saying that.
Is that Pierce in North Hollywood?
But is it what do you think we're going to learn about MLK?
Well, the MLK case is kind of interesting
because a judge back in the day sealed the audio tapes
of Martin Luther King having sex
in the Willard Hotel in Washington, DC.
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It was wiretapped by the FBI, J. Edgar Hoover, and the judge for reasons that were other
than to save the family embarrassment, sealed the audio tapes that Hoover had wiretapped
to get these recordings.
If you read Ralph Abernathy's autobiography talks about,
he was there and they were having orgies there
and him and Martin Luther King had a bunch
of different women up there and that was recorded
on these tapes.
I think that's been pretty well established.
The fact of the matter is though that the authorization
for the wiretaps was quite legal and signed
by the attorney general of the United States.
And on that document, you will see the name Robert Francis
Kennedy as attorney general of the United States,
wiretapping Martin Luther King.
And that's been pretty well established.
I always wonder what happens to the women in these
situations where you make claims like, oh, JFK is having
an orgy with whatever or MLK is having an orgy.
Depends who it is.
But why do we never have a woman that steps forward
and goes, yep, I was there?
And she has to be quite elderly now.
Well, there's some in the JFK world who have,
I don't want to name their names,
but some of them have in the JFK.
The secretary.
Right, I mean, there's a couple.
There was the one that was in the pool
before the press pool was when it was actually a pool.
She was ordered to do something.
LBJ famously, I mean, had sex.
He had eight secretaries there.
I think he had sex with all eight of them.
So it depends who they are.
And their fear of reprisal drew.
Still fearing reprisal all these years later.
Oh, I don't know about today. But I'm saying while they were alive, I think they feared
reprisal.
Oh, everybody's dead.
Okay.
Well, yeah, no, they're all dead.
They're all dead.
Yeah.
All right.
So it's all I just worry what it's going to do, what it's going to say, what kind of
hornet's nest is gonna stir up.
Why are there a hundred people working around the clock?
What are they doing?
Well, they're scanning.
They're adapting.
No, they're just scanning.
I mean, it's just the physics of scanning.
I mean, you have these documents,
you take them and scan them.
It takes a lot of people,
it takes a lot of hours to pull that off.
And that's apparently what Tulsi is referring to.
Who's gonna present them to us?
Is she gonna be the one?
That's a good question because they have a system
for the JFK archives and that's the,
using the National Archives website,
which is where you can find all of the files
for the JFK case.
I don't think that these are gonna go onto that website.
I mean, traditionally with the JFK case,
they have an archivist who physically puts them in folders
and physically puts them on the website.
Trump fired the archivist
and there needs to be a new archivist confirmed
by the United States Senate.
It's a confirmation position, by the way,
yet somehow he was able to get out the JFK documents
on the National Archives website.
I think they may put them on there as well
because as a lack of another better place to put them.
So I'm gonna switch gears back
to where we started this conversation about where we're
going and what the world is in for.
When I listened to Mike Benz and his, let's call it unraveling of all the intelligence,
I don't even describe it.
It gets confusing to me is my point.
And I always think to myself,
Mike Benz was hired by the Obama administration
to make sense of all this shit
that he's presenting now to us,
because that administration couldn't understand
what was going on with the intelligence community
and was worried that it had become adulterated.
Now, here we have all this information
that guys like Mike Benz are putting out there.
And personally, I'm just as confused as ever.
Are they just running, is it a hydro?
You know, it's just going, it can't be sort of,
what is going on there?
To simplify it, what Benz has uncovered
is a system of phony NGOs and a system to funnel money
from USAID affiliated with the State Department a system of phony NGOs and a system to funnel money
from USAID affiliated with the State Department to pet causes around the world.
The pet causes themselves are phony.
In other words, all of this hoopla and laughability
about funding a trans-human mice in Bulgaria
or gay rodeos in Lithuania.
Those were all covers.
What they were using to do for was to buy elections
and to alter the politics of these particular countries.
That's what Ben's has uncovered.
The money was enormous, it was taxpayer dollars,
out of the realm of Congress allocating this,
out of the realm of the State Department, a complete rogue government running the world.
This is the machinery of empire. This is how the sausage was actually made as to what he's
uncovered is us looking at the sausage of how an empire controls countries around the world, Drew, to simplify it.
But does that stop now?
Have they cut the heads off the hydro?
Yeah, this has stopped right now
because they have cut the heads off of this beast.
So, you know, that's why you're seeing such chaos in the EU.
That's why you're seeing such chaos around the world
because the source of the money is now gone.
They have cut off the money.
Is that contributing to your predictions about unrest
and little outbursts of-
Yeah, they can't.
In other words, these weren't ideological things.
They didn't support us in Bulgaria because they like us.
They support us because we paid them.
And once that money dries up, which it now has,
you're going to see sectarian violence
within those countries and a fight
within the countries themselves for power.
It sounds like you were saying
that these NGOs served a purpose.
Well, Ben says that too.
Ben's in his own explanation said
he's not opposed to the American empire.
He's just opposed to the way it's run.
This secret funding of NGOs is not very democratic, Drew.
So he feels that if we were going to get this going again,
it would have to be under congressional supervision
or allocation.
I think that's generally speaking his take on it.
Yeah, because he's not opposed to the American Empire,
he says that repeatedly.
So we are living these, did you,
I remember back when you came on my podcast
about 15 years ago, and you were alerting me to,
I think you were calling it Marxist trends
uh and I was like what what are you talking about then that became obvious and in terms of you know
some of the techniques were being used and now I who could have predicted this Caleb is asking do
you think 4chan going offline is connected to Trump's USAID cuts? Well, I'll put it this way,
the head of Reddit was one of the heads of USAID.
So, I mean, she literally worked for both organizations.
And you're gonna see these phony organizations disappear.
Now, famously, people like Moby, people like Rob Reiner,
social media, people had their social media accounts,
they gave them over to the CIA to run them
as part of an anti-Trump warfare, PSYOP,
and Moby admitted it out loud
that he turned over his accounts to them.
Rob Reiner, who went to rehab recently
because his mind was blown so badly by Trump,
his entire social media account has been deleted, Drew.
These were PsyOps run by the CIA who asked them,
can we take over your social media accounts?
And many of these celebrities agreed to it.
That's all gone now, whether they did it for money
or for ideology is another question.
These things are drying up
all around the American empire now.
I would love to see some documentation of Rob Reiner's
having been controlled by CIA
because he seemed like a true believer.
It'd be really interesting.
Some of the things he did say didn't make sense.
So I wonder where that was coming from.
Right, thank you.
I mean, read what he wrote about Trump.
It doesn't sound anything like the man that we know.
If you go through his Twitter feed
and read these statements, they're not Rob Reiner.
Go through Moby's, they're not Moby.
There's dozens of other celebrities who did the same thing.
And probably, based on their Trump Derangement Syndrome,
which is now Musk Derangement Syndrome,
it's now branched off into another derangement.
But that's part of the NGO and part of the USAID.
Yeah, the Musk Derangement Syndrome,
I find one of the more disturbing DSs,
in that he has done so much good.
I mean, if you read his biography,
you got a really sense of who this guy is
and how much he's contributed
and how much he could contribute.
Well, look, I mean, think about where the hatred,
think about where the hatred goes the most.
Tulsi Gabbard, RFK Jr., right?
Donald Trump, Elon Musk.
Why are these people singled out?
Joe Rogan, they're apostates who left the church.
No one is hated more than apostates who leave a cult.
The reason that Dick Cheney and his daughter and Bush
are untouchable by the Marxist left is because they've stayed in their
own lane. They're targeting people who left their cult, including Donald Trump. They're apostates,
Drew. That's what the rage is about. Look who leaves Scientology. Look who left People's Temple,
Jim Jones. Look at every cult. The ones that are targeted are the apostates.
That's who these ex-democrats are.
The hatred is directed towards them the most.
Not Dick Cheney, a war criminal,
not his daughter, some corrupt psychopath.
They're okay with them.
Obama and George Bush Jr. go horseback riding together.
There's no beef with them, but the apostates, Drew.
Ah, that's a crime that's not forgivable.
Well, and as a low-level apostate myself,
I would say it's not so much as apostate.
It's like the organizations are shifting so much
that I can't call myself anything, really. Like the organizations are shifting so much
that I can't call myself anything really.
Except maybe independent or maybe a civilitarian or something.
Yeah, they're still hanging on to the church
and the sacraments of that church
being the Democratic Party and the DNC.
I mean, who would have thought that the,
what's her name, Lou, the Asian woman
who was the chief fundraiser for the Democratic party has shifted over now to the,
I mean, look at the people who have left.
These are not low rank and file people.
Tulsi Gabbard was the co-chairwoman
of the DNC for Christ sakes.
These are huge shifts in political people.
Well, Mark, I appreciate you spending a little time with us.
I appreciate your thoughts on the RFK and the JFK situation.
People have a lot of interest in that.
Oh, yeah.
I am very much like Joe Rogan right now when he expressed during his recent Netflix special
that I used to think certain things were just so.
I thought the JFK thing was clear.
You're paranoid if you think otherwise.
I thought vaccines were the greatest advancement
in the history of medicine.
Now, I think the earth could be flat.
I have no idea.
Anything's possible.
I'll just say this, watch the autism numbers topple
when they remove fluoride from the water.
You think it's the fluoride?
God, that would be crazy.
It's very easy.
It's been a long time Time the easiest metric to measure
Because states that have not had fluoride in their water have the lowest autism rates in the country
Easiest metric to measure medically for Robert Kennedy jr. And to be fair and to be fair there man
There may end up being multiple influences, right?
There might be they might uncover a few things that contribute to this.
And people go, it's a genetic thing.
Yeah, it could be a genetic thing too,
that's unrealized.
There's many, many ways to understand this.
But the fact that we haven't,
and we haven't asked the questions, that's scandalous.
It's disgusting, it's scandalous.
So that way this thing has become so prevalent
and we just go, no, no, no, no, no, let's see here.
How dare you attack somebody non-neuronormative?
How dare you?
Old-
What is it, one out of 20 now?
We're attacking non-neuronormatives.
What's the ratio?
It's one in 12 in California.
One in 12 in California.
We're ahead of the curve because it's California.
We're always number one in those areas.
Things to be ashamed of.
All right, my friend, good to see you.
And we, no doubt, will talk soon. All right, Drew, thank you so much for having me good to see you and we no doubt. We'll talk soon all right
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Yeah, it's coming, Brian.
He'll be in deep on it, no doubt, so follow him.
All right, thank you so much.
Chris Moore is up next with us.
You got it, my friend.
Corporate attorney, investment researcher,
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a Portrait of California in the Twilight of Empire.
He's been in Santa Monica for multiple generations.
It says third generation.
I didn't know people had been living
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He's got a master of philosophy from Cambridge,
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All right, Chris Moritz is here.
As I said, he's a corporate attorney,
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got multiple degrees we'll talk about in a second.
What's up?
He's actually, he's coming back in.
So we'll be back in just a minute.
Okay. And do you pronounce the name Moritz or Moritz
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Yeah, let me double check.
Okay, wait a minute.
All right, so it's so interesting to listen to Mark Roberta.
I don't get a chance to talk to him in detail very often,
but he thinks differently than I do.
So I'm always intrigued in seeing what's on his plate and what he's
thinking. And like I said at the introduction, he has been remarkably prescient in his thinking
and even in things where I thought he was like, come on, too much, too much. And I had
to apologize to him as I do to many people these days. I am looking at the restream at
the Rumble Rant, seeing what's going on with you guys.
Janice, you're late to the party, sorry.
Let's see, I'm gonna scroll back up while we're waiting for my next guest
to see what's going on.
Let's see here.
Okay, you guys are active today.
Oh my goodness. Okay, it's not active today. Oh my goodness.
Okay, it's not a theme evolving here,
but a lot of opinions about things.
Should toss it out there that this is not the guest's fault.
We had told him to be here three minutes from now,
and then we went to break a little early.
So we gave him wrong info.
He was on time.
My fault, my fault.
He's coming in right now.
It's all good.
You tell me when he's ready.
And okay, it'll be interesting to see what the RK files though and MLK files provide
though.
You know, history is written in strange ways.
And the more information we get about history, the more able we are to understand the human experience.
And so I am in favor of taking unblemished look at things.
And then most of history is sort of myth, myth meets PR.
When I started, I got interested in reading biographies
and history back about 20 years ago,
where I was just looking at a penny and just going, who is this guy on the penny?
I don't really think anything about this human.
I was working in a psychiatric hospital there and I had some understanding that humans were
pretty complex.
And I started reading biographies and I thought, oh man, very different than the myth.
And when you really think about myth generally, myths are just things designed to dumb, dumb down is not the right word, simplify a story so you can present it to a child.
That's really what I think myth is about. And, and also to perhaps gloss memory with the way we'd
like to remember it rather than the harsh reality of what it actually was. It's simpler to keep it
rather than the harsh reality of what it actually was. It's simpler to keep it in a structure
that we're a little more comfortable with
than the complexities of.
I think I was thinking,
I'm reading about the railroad right now
and how Chinese were treated,
now Indians were treated.
It's complicated and it's not one thing.
All right, let's bring Chris Morton here.
And as I said, corporate attorney, M&A executive,
he has a book, it is called,
let me get a hold on second, I lost, there it is.
Failed State, A Portrait of California,
The Twilight of Empire.
And Mark, you're quoted recently as having said,
"'The Unraveling of California is a case study
"'in the perils of unchecked oligarchy.
"'Concentrated wealth, political corruption,
"'and mass migration are weaponized
"'to dissolve national cohesion.
Is that what California is all about?
Look, I mean, there's so many sort of fault lines in the decay of California that's happened, I would say, over the course of 25 years.
It's accelerated significantly in the last five.
But I think when we ultimately try and dissect
what has happened here,
you have to ask yourself the question why,
and what is the political economy?
And the political economy of California
is one that is increasingly stratified.
It's stratified by design.
It is stratified significantly because of the influx
of immigrants into the country, into the state,
both illegal and not, but significantly amongst low-skill,
obviously low-wage illegal immigrants.
California is 27% foreign-born today.
Since 1990, that has grown 60%.
And as the state has become more foreign,
more dominated by immigrants,
the Democratic Party has become more and more entrenched.
So California was not a blue colossus.
I would argue even till 2000.
But this has been an accelerating trend.
It's not something that has happened by accident.
It has happened for the explicit purpose
of achieving political hegemony amongst the Democratic Party.
Now, I argue in my book that the Biden administration attempted
to implement the exact same strategy with their immigration policies
that we all witnessed to such great horror. Fortunately, that was curtailed by the election, there has been no pause, right? The consolidation of power, the amplification,
and ascendancy of figures like Gavin Newsom and Kamala Harris
who, in other words, that is only continuing.
And unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be, you know,
a, a, an off ramp.
So, you know, it's a complicated question.
My book-
Let me stop you with that.
Let me, I want to stop you with that, the off ramp idea.
So I think the case you're making is that the Democrats
have gone after this certain population
in order to ensconce their elite status, right?
But why don't the people who identify
with the Democratic Party become frustrated?
I mean, look at the people in Pacific Palisades
when all of a sudden they're like,
oh, we elected these people, what the hell's going on here?
They suddenly wake up.
Yeah, and hopefully that is actually what will happen.
I mean, the fact is, Dr. Drew, you live here,
you, I'm sure, understand the zeitgeist of this state like I do,
and everyone is talking about crime all the time.
We've all been affected by it.
We all see it, and sometimes, and in many cases, we've been victim affected by it. We all see it and sometimes and in many cases we've been victimized
by it. So I actually wrote this book because of a victimization that I experienced in 2023
when my home in Santa Monica was effectively home invaded two nights in a row on one weekend by an MS-13 gang member,
convicted felon. It served seven years in state prison for gun crimes. And he was
immediately deported after his prison sentence by the Trump administration in
the first term. And then he came back into the country under Biden.
And once he was back in California, he had a kid.
So that's a US citizen.
And then he went on a rampage across LA County
and into Ventura County.
And he committed dozens of these types
of crimes all over the place.
Now, in LA County, especially under the tenure of the
former DA, George Cassione, property crimes were simply not prosecuted. So police officers had
no incentive to make a case on a property crime, even one where there's a violent element. And this guy was a violent gangster, okay?
When he was arrested by the police up north in Ventura,
he had a stolen loaded gun on him, body armor, knives.
And actually in his interrogation, the cops said to him,
like, thanks for not opening fire on us at the arrest.
So we know you had a gun on you. He said, don't thank me, because if my wife and kid had not
been in the backseat of the car, it was a stoplight arrest.
He said, I was totally planning on opening fire and murdering
you, because I'm not going back to jail.
This guy was ultimately only sentenced
for two counts of these types of crimes in Ventura County,
which takes property crime and crime in general
a little bit more seriously, but not a lot.
He ended up getting a two year sentence,
which he'll serve, I'm sure, much less than that,
probably a year and a half,
and a $300 fine.
Now, if you or I don't pay our taxes, we're going to go to jail for a lot longer than
two years.
So what has happened that our justice system has now prioritized the rights of criminals above victims, of course, but society in general.
When I learned all these facts and was trying to understand just as a citizen of California
how this could have happened, I began an investigation. And one of the prosecutors I talked to in my initial research,
who's a veteran deputy DA, I told her my story and she said...
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that an MS-13 gang member could home invade your house while you're asleep, two nights
in a row? And he's an illegal alien, a dreamer, by the way. And he gets a two year sentence
and is going to be out in the last event.
And that's now become relatable and the standard
of justice in California.
When that happens, what I determined ultimately,
and this was substantiated by significant research
into plenty of other examples of this types of occurrence,
is that in California, the state has effectively surrendered
on its fundamental duty to protect citizens. That's the number one job of government. In fact,
it's the entire basis of what we call the social contract. The idea that you surrender, pay taxes, right?
Surrender liberties, autonomy,
in exchange for protection by the government,
which is supposed to have monopoly on violence,
and at the very least,
there has to be an assurance of justice.
That is gone in California.
So in my opinion, the government of California
really does not have any legitimacy
and certainly Gavin Newsom.
Yeah, I don't disagree with you having been here for a while.
And also they're also negligent murderers.
All the people dying on the street in California
are directly the result of the people that run our state.
They kill due to negligent manslaughter,
six people a day, just in LA County.
They are an active, negligent participant.
These are people that are easily treatable,
could be made well, just allow us to do it,
and they could be helped, but you're not allowed to.
And the denial and anasognosia of addiction
is privileged in the law,
and so the brain disorders are allowed to kill these people.
And I call that negligent homicide.
That's what that is.
You know, it's really interesting
you should phrase it that way, Dr. Drew,
because in my book,
I actually have an entire chapter dedicated
to the legislative history of what I believe
is really the core of our problems.
And I call it statutory negligence.
And the idea is that the laws put in place
by the legislature, but also through ballot initiatives,
are so reckless, so foreseeably dangerous,
that they rise to a level of gross negligence
or criminal negligence,
which if it was an individual committing that kind of tort,
they would face criminal liability.
And all of our-
Absolutely, if a doctor, if it is as a physician,
as a physician or as a lawyer,
if you were, if you engaged in that kind of negligence
that resulted in six people dying a day,
or if I ran a hospital that six people died,
it's just like, it's unthinkable
what would happen to people who were responsible,
whose hands weren't clean as it pertains
to the execution of these ills, it's ridiculous.
But I wanna put a little philosophical spin on it,
or at least historical spin if I can,
is that, I don't know how to frame this.
I always wondered why the French bring up 1789,
which within the first five minutes of every conversation.
And I talked to finally a politician in France
a couple of days ago who said,
oh, 1789, that's the people on the left.
People on the left believe that history began
with the Jacobins in 1789.
And what were the Jacobins but a grievance group,
a grievance culture?
And what was the first thing they did?
Let out the criminals, storm the Bastille.
And so that not only is that sort of the model for this,
it tells us psychologically what people in a
grievance environment are likely to do. Which is they're likely to... who is more
aggrieved than a criminal in prison? That's the most agree. And if you're
gonna put it to the man, what are you gonna do? Let them out, let them go, they're
fine, they're just like you and me. And by the way, in California we have a problem
where we put too many people in jail for a long time with stupid ass drug charges
Then who also shouldn't actually have been there. That's actually true. We did that but now we've got completely the other direction
No, it's really
It's really interesting. You should bring up 1789
So I call my book a portrait of California in the Twilight of Empire, and that has several different connotations.
One, of course, is that California is, right, the fifth biggest economy in the world, almost a country unto itself, I would say an empire, and it is in its twilight.
When I wrote the book, this was before the election, and it did seem that America was in a twilight of empire.
But beyond that, I wanted to frame
the destruction of our state against the sort of end
of empire phenomenon across many different civilizations
and societies.
And with respect to the French Revolution,
I've actually turned this phrase,
you called it grievance or retribution,
it's a kind of retributive justice.
I call this crime equity.
And I think it's at the fundamental heart
of the so-called criminal justice reforms
that have turned our state into a war zone. mental heart of the so-called criminal justice reforms that
have turned our state into a war zone in many parts.
And the idea of it is that the ultimate ideological motivation
for these reforms is not about rehabilitating criminals.
It is actually as a form of equity
about redistributing crime,
redistributing crime to areas and people
that had been historically insulated from it.
So I view this very much as an attack on the middle class.
And in fact, the evidence, especially
speaking to police officers in Los Angeles,
is indeed crime has spread from the so-called dangerous areas
to the west side of Los Angeles, to Brentwood,
to formerly the Palisades, to these areas that
had been off limits.
And this is not just because criminals have gotten smarter, not just because there have
been changes within the economics of the criminal underworld, which I can talk about, but really
because laws have been put in place to unleash criminals.
And it is entirely foreseeable
that by unleashing criminals and emptying the prisons,
they are going to continue to commit crime
because that is the statistical conclusive determination
about crime.
It's committed over and over again,
higher activism by a small number of people,
career criminals, and a lot of the people
that we've released through prison reforms
are in fact violent and have violent histories.
How dare you discuss reality or data
when in the eyes of the post structuralist like the Michelle
Foucault's out there, it's actually the jails and the institutions and the systemic problems in
society that cause all this. If you just take care of that, it'll all go away. They literally think
that way. Do you know that I've got a guy I interviewed here, a different program I think,
and he was now off the streets,
he was a drug addict on the streets,
he's now a carpenter doing great,
and he said, you know, the last two years
I spent on the streets, they gave me my rigs,
they gave me my drugs, and patted me on the back and said,
you're just a victim of capitalism,
once we get communism in here, you're gonna be fine.
You know what's funny?
People say that California is this sort of like
progressive bastion, they're wrong.
It's actually as regressive and reactionary
as you can possibly imagine.
Because the oligarchy, and it kind of ties
to the 1789 kind of analogy,
and in some ways I feel the bourgeoisie,
the middle class that are really under attack
by the oligarchy in the state.
But in any event, a great example about the prisons. So we shut down juvenile
correction facilities in past years. As a result, juvenile crime has spiked. And in fact, gangs are recruiting children
as young as 10 to be child soldiers,
committing hijackings, armed robberies,
and even assassinations.
There is an example a few years ago
of a small-time rapper who was
by LAX airport, Parton's car, a 15-year-old gang
member approached the vehicle, assassinate him, gets back in the vehicle, getaway vehicle
that's driven by his dad.
So what gangs have learned, because they're smart, they understand legal arbitrage,
is that if you have recruit kids, even if they get arrested over and over and over again,
they face no consequences. passed on, refused as one of his initial directives to try juveniles as adults, ever.
So this is the consequence.
Again, all of these types of policies have a predictable response. And another thing I would say that is just, I think,
quite interesting is the influence of the Mexican drug
cartels in California is far, far more profound
than anyone possibly realizes.
And essentially, what I have learned
through many, many hours of interviews
with cops and prosecutors is that
sometime in the late 2000s, the Mexican drug cartels moved into California to essentially
execute a hostile takeover of the drug trade, which was primarily dominated by the Bloods and
the Crips and Legacy black gangs. And the cartel said to these gangs that,
if we catch you selling dope without sanction,
we will cut your head off.
And they meant it literally, right?
So they brought the Mexican-style savagery,
which I call sort of pre-Columbian,
sort of atavistic savagery, which I call sort of pre-Columbian sort of
atavistic savagery into this state.
The legacy black gangs, well, they got the message fast.
So they had to find a new vertical of crime
to continue their operations.
What was the easy target?
Residential burglaries.
And it just so happened that in the state,
we barely take them seriously.
You are more likely to get robbed, burglarized,
beaten, or your car stolen in California
than in any other state in the country by far,
by like double.
And that's the-
I also have seen evidence that they get
into female trafficking of these women on the streets.
They're trafficked in prostitution and things.
But listen, I gotta wrap this up.
I have one remaining question is given your insights
into the excesses of California,
how do you survive in the People's Republic of Santa Monica?
Look, I'm a third generation Santa Monica.
My house is my castle.
How is it possible that three generations
lived in Santa Monica?
That's the other thing that caught my attention.
Like, were they in the oil business or?
No, no, my grandfather was, you know,
we're from like Liverpool originally.
There's a lot of English in Santa Monica.
And Santa Monica was a great place
up until the communists took over.
Stephen Miller, one of my best friends,
he's also from Santa Monica.
There's a lot of great folks from Santa Monica
and Southern California, but we're surviving.
And again, my home is my castle.
I'm not giving up.
I love my state.
I love California.
Well, I have mixed feelings about California,
but I did one day about five, six years ago
decided it was worth fighting for.
I do feel intermittently that it's like hopeless,
but I still feel that there's a good fight to be fought. And so here I still am. Chris, we appreciate you being here. Can they buy
the book at the usual places?
Yes, sir. Amazon.
Put it up there again. Yeah. And my ex-profile.
There it is. Yeah. Failed state. There it is. You want to read about what it's like to live
here and what mess we've created? There it is. So far it hasn't happened to the country,
but somebody seemed to want it to go that way. You can follow Chris on Chris Moritz.
Chris G. Moritz. I got that wrong on X. Chris G. Moritz. And I hope to talk to you again soon
sometime. Thanks, Dr. True. Appreciate it. You got it. Cheers. All right. Let's see what's coming up for us
This is thursday. So i'm going to be traveling next week. So I guess what we're talking about is on the 24th
Joe dombrowski elijah schaefer. These are from florida elijah danah lush
I saw her on something yesterday daniel mccarthy on the 15th So we're going to be we're traveling a bunch, in fact, including leaving the country for a while.
So people will be living in our house,
so don't get any ideas.
But we will be traveling, we'll be in Florida,
and then we'll be out, and then we'll be in New York.
So we're going to be all over the place for a while.
But that's the schedule coming up.
Gary Breck, it'll be a great guest on the 16th,
dear friend.
Tim Poole just got added on 522.
Look at that May lineup that Emily Barsh has been able to put together. Gary Brekka will be a great guest on the 16th, dear friend, Tim Poole just got added on 522.
Look at that May lineup that Emily Barsh
has been able to put together.
Janie McCarthy, Gary Brekka, Tim Poole, stay tuned here.
We got much more coming.
And do check out Susan's show also.
I don't know if you've heard yesterday's show,
but I found it quite entertaining and interesting.
And you can even listen to the tape,
which is up at dru.com.
So Caleb, anything on your front
that we need to highlight, mention?
Nope, just wanna say again,
how grateful I am for my TWC medical kit
because it is saving me right now.
I'm so glad I did not have to go into urgent care
and spend hours and hours with a headache over there
with this, I think I have COVID, I'm pretty convinced it is.
So it's all on hand.
Well, that's what I was gonna say in parting
is that COVID is really running rampant right now.
And you could miss that you have it.
It starts very mild and then all of a sudden
you're fatigued and all this stuff
that we all associate with COVID.
And I don't think treatment is,
I don't think packs of anything like that is appropriate,
but you have to give yourself a break.
This one kind of hangs on a bit.
My voice that you hear is living example of that,
though I feel much better.
All right, thank you all for being here.
We appreciate it.
Caleb, thank you for the show and we will see you.
Let's see, that'll be the,
what date will that be that I'll see people?
Is that with Elijah on the,
possibly on the 23rd, but definitely on the 24th.
See you next Thursday.
See you then.
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