Ask Dr. Drew - The Vaxx Cartel’s “Fake Poll” War On MAHA & Dr. Vinay Prasad: RFK’s “Kitchen Cabinet” Architect Jeffrey Tucker Speaks w/ Geno Young, Vashon Tuncle & Dr. Autumn Smith — Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 598

Episode Date: March 23, 2026

Is the medical establishment trying to shatter the MAHA movement? Jeffrey Tucker, founder of the Brownstone Institute and the man Politico calls the architect of RFK Jr.’s “kitchen cabinet” joins Dr. Drew to expose fake Big Pharma polls and their unrelenting pressure to force Dr. Vinay Prasad out of the FDA. He reveals what Americans really think about medical freedom, vaccine mandates, and health sovereignty. Next, conservative activists Geno Young and Vashon Tuncle (“The Chicago Conservative”) join the show to discuss a viral city council confrontation and the catastrophic collapse of the public education system. Can Chicago be saved? Finally, Paleovalley co-founder Autumn Smith exposes the dark reality of the modern meat industry, the “illusion of choice” at the grocery store, and how to use nutrition to fight chronic inflammation. Jeffrey Tucker is founder and president of the Brownstone Institute, a nonprofit focused on public health, economics, and the philosophical foundations of freedom. He is also Senior Economics Columnist for Epoch Times. Follow at https://x.com/jeffreyatucker Geno Young is a conservative author, South Side of Chicago native, musician, educator, and author of Sex, Drugs, And Illiteracy: The Death of Education in America available at https://amzn.to/4lA6HHz. Follow at https://x.com/Geno4America Vashon Tuncle is The Chicago Conservative on YouTube and a conservative activist based in Chicago. Learn more at https://youtube.com/@TheChicagoConservative Dr. Autumn Smith is the co-founder of Paleovalley, a company focused on nutrient-dense foods. She advocates for rethinking meat consumption and promotes the benefits of bone broth and tallow. Learn more at https://drdrew.com/paleovalley 「 SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS 」 • STRONG CELL – If you want to feel more like your younger self, go to https://strongcell.com/ and use code DREW for 20% off. • AUGUSTA PRECIOUS METALS – Thousands of Americans are moving portions of their retirement into physical gold & silver. Learn more in this 3-minute report from our friends at Augusta Precious Metals: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/gold⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ or text DREW to 35052 ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠• FATTY15 – The future of essential fatty acids is here! Strengthen your cells against age-related breakdown with Fatty15. Get 15% off a 90-day Starter Kit Subscription at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/fatty15⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • PALEOVALLEY - "Paleovalley has a wide variety of extraordinary products that are both healthful and delicious,” says Dr. Drew. "I am a huge fan of this brand and know you'll love it too!” Get 15% off your first order at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/paleovalley⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • THE WELLNESS COMPANY - Counteract harmful spike proteins with TWC's Signature Series Spike Support Formula containing nattokinase and selenium. Learn more about TWC's supplements at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twc.health/drew⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ 「 ABOUT THE SHOW 」 This show is for entertainment and/or informational purposes only, and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Executive Producers • Kaleb Nation - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://kalebnation.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • Susan Pinsky - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://x.com/firstladyoflove⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Content Producer • Emily Barsh - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://x.com/emilytvproducer⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Hosted By • Dr. Drew Pinsky - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://x.com/drdrew⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Oh, what are we doing? We're going to talk to Jeffrey Tucker, founder and president of Brownsout Institute. He's been on fire lately, and he wants to report on multiple things. Vanaya Prasad pushed out of the FDA and as well as some evidence that perhaps it is the pharma company, the judiciary that's in charge of your health, not you or the government or elected officials. Then Gino Young and Vashon Tunkle, they are activists in Chicago, talk about how we're going to save Chicago. I saw Vashan in front of a city. council meeting where he was again on fire. And then Autumn Smith, the founder, co-founder of Paley Valley, the company, of course, we are very excited about. She joins me in the studio. We're going to talk about some of the new products, some of the new ideas. Autumn Smith actually made the track to Pasadena as come and joining us right here and very shortly. So we will start out with Jeffrey Tucker, who's on the road, but we got him nevertheless. We'll be with him right after this. Our laws as it pertain to substances are draconian and bizarre. Besides, He could have started this first. He was an alcoholic because of social media and pornography, PTSD, love addiction.

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It's good to know, just in case. Anyone can call or text for free confidential support from a train responder anytime. 988 suicide crisis helpline is funded by the government in Canada. Jeffrey Tucker from Brownstone X. He is Jeffrey Tucker, also Jeffreytucker. me and the life after lockdown and liberty or lockdown books as well as every all his contributions over at brownstone lot to talk about geoffrey thank you for joining me yeah i'll talk about the unfortunate circumstances uh find myself on the road but uh hope this works all right it's working

great we love that you're here nevertheless well i got so many things talk about i'm just going to kind of roll along here uh tell me about that full that poll that seemed to be so discused distorted versus the brownstone poll. The Fabrizio in December and January had conducted some polls with absurdly fake results. They asked questions like agree or disagree. Vaccines saved lives. And, oh, what a shock. 90% said they saved lives, which is an impossible claim to refute.

In 225 years of vaccines, have they saved life? Yeah, I mean, you have to be an idiot. It's like saying, you know, do socks keep your feet warm in winter? You know, this is not a serious question. This is the kind of poll they were conducting from which Fabrizio concluded that a vaccine skepticism is bad politics and broadcast that message to the White House. It took us a couple of months to figure out what was going on. And finally, we just decided to conduct our own poll with Jeremy Zogby. we asked 30 reasonable objective questions about medical freedom, vaccine mandates, the COVID response, you know, everything you can think of in the polls right there on Brown Brown. You can look at it. And it turns out we have supermajorities in every area that favor of medical freedom. And this is from Republicans, Democrats, and it's a census.

And it's a very intense consensus. So this is my first poll I've ever done. I've never seen polling before. I didn't even know how polling worked. Well, you know, I'm sorry it was left to us and they held freedom defense to do this, but we did it. And I think it should have been bigger news than it is. But, you know, I can't get the New York Times report on it, even though I send it to them. So, I mean, this is a problem, Dr. Drew.

Everything is kind of rigged in blueballs. And people need to know. It's not for the objective poll. We've got the news media reporting the answers. The poll was constructed to do exactly what it did, which was to marginalize the medical freedom movement and to push aside all the concerns that people have about these mandates and everything that happened to the COVID period

and say it's bad politics you need to drop it. You get how it works, right? Yeah, oh, yeah. Everything is a hoax. Now, the other thing that so many things caught my attention this weekend, you did a long history of the COVID lockdowns. You also did a history of the vaccine and vaccine mandates. And then we had this judicial activism on behalf of the pharmaceutical industry, it seemed. And I noticed that sent you reeling the last day or so.

Talk to me about that. Yeah, this is extremely important. I'm sure you saw it. It came out yesterday, late yesterday afternoon, a judge in Massachusetts, the federal district judge, just basically silenced the 8th committee that Kennedy had together.

And I guess they're meeting for next week. And you know what to talk about next week. Jeffrey, I'm interrupting. Let me interrupt you. Go ahead and turn your camera off for a second. Just turn it off and leave your, yeah, and leave your audio. I think we'll get better audio that way.

We only got a little bit of what you said. It was extremely important because... Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So can you hear me now okay? Is that better? Yeah, much better.

Okay, good. So this federal district judge in Massachusetts basically gagged the ASEP committee that Bobby had put together. It was the advisory committee on... immunization practices that was scheduled to meet next week to talk about the safety or lack thereof and therefore vaccine injury from the COVID shots. That was on the docket for next week. Now the meeting has been stopped by a federal judge.

The case was the American Association of Pediatrics, American Association of Pediatrics, right. Academy, which you can go to their website and see that they are funded by, it's a pharmaceutical front, basically. There's like eight top pharmaceutical funds that fund the AAP. So this judgment was rendered on behalf of a big pharma against the advisory committee and immunization practices. Hey, Jeffrey, what I smell here, what I smell here is a professional society.

trying to defend the structure of reimbursement for their members, for their specialty members. So pediatrics are incentivized to give vaccines. They get a lot of revenue from that. And I believe in addition to it being obviously funded by pharma and therefore the blowing wind into the sales of the American Academy Pediatrics, ultimately they are there defending the revenue of pediatricians. Yeah, it's all about the money. You know, as people say, follow the money and you'll figure out, you'll figure out what's going on.

What's important from another point of view, too, is the American Academy, whatever it is. When I say, in that, right, pediatric, AAP, has since 2018 been the primary defender of childhood gender transitions, right? or what are also called child mutilation, right? And so on their website now, they have a position paper that defends this. Now, one thing about these gender transitions you know for sure is it makes you a lifetime addict of pharmaceutical products. I mean, ginger transitions in a biological sense and pharmaceutical industry are one and the same. I mean, you can't have one without the other, essentially. So here's the AAP of pediatrics, but they're defending the very thing that the Trump administration has been trying, and many states have tried to ban AAP is all in favor.

So now you've got the AAP basically ruling in a judicial sense against the will of the people, against allegiance of scientific experts, silencing all the medical. scientists and experts on the new ASEP committee, which is unique. This committee is unique because it's absence of any conflicts of interest, right? Bobby put together this committee based on trying to find people who are both experts and not conflicted, which is extremely difficult, as you might imagine. Yes, it is. And he did it. And now they're focused on vaccine injury and now a federal district.

judge has basically passed a nationwide, what amounts to a nationwide injunction to ban it, which contradicts the Supreme Court's own ruling and past judgments made by this same judge that struck it down. So we're in a very awkward position right now where this ruling is definitely going to be overthrown. There's no question about it. It's just a matter of time. And during that time, the ASIP committee will not be able to meet to defend the children of this country against a parasitical pharmaceutical industry that once them jabbed with 72 shots or whatever it is. They're pushing these days. So that's where we are. And I told the Associated Press today that there's a way in which I'm actually sort of glad for this ruling for the following reasons.

it makes the battle lines very clear. And it explains to people who care about these issues that now is the time for moral courage, strategic intelligence, and for a redoubling of efforts on behalf of medical freedom. So I think this is what's important about this moment. And I want to bring up one other topic in the little time we have together is Vinay Prasad, who to me is one of the most clairvoyant readers of medical research,

I've ever encountered. I used to listen to his podcast years before COVID hit because he just made so much. He was able to penetrate, you know, the way some people can penetrate materials. He could penetrate medical research, particularly complex oncological research. And when he went to the, I think it was the FDA, I thought, wow, this is an asset. But now he's been pushed out too. What happened there? Well, you're right about him.

He's a genius. Having him at the FDA was brilliant. He's gold. He's a true scientist. He adheres to the data. He looks at the numbers. He knows how to interpret the studies. And so now we have an objective scientist

in a high position at the FDA, right? And of course, wouldn't you know, that bumped into industry priorities. And so he was frustrated and ultimately pushed out, which is a real tragedy. The FDA has got to figure out if it's serving the cost of science and safety and efficacy

or it's just serving industry. That has yet to be resolved. In fact, you could argue it's never been resolved, but this is a genuine loss, a profound loss to the FDA. I agree. I agree.

Although, I wonder if he has some strategy once he gets on the other side. Has he been talking yet? Has he been discussing? his experience or what he plans next? I don't know about that and I've not really been in contact with him but I tell you what, we really need

a kind of external brain trust, Dr. Drew, with genuine scientists to evaluate these drugs to figure out if this is just an industry racket or if it's really serving the

American people. This is a major problem and it's got to be resolved. I think Vinai is going to be essential to that effort. So I'm looking forward to things settling down a little bit and so that he finds his voice again so that he can inform us about what's actually going on at the FDA, what he saw, and what we should do about it. What's up at Brownstone? Oh, gosh. We had that poll. We've got a new report coming out in next couple of days, which is an off-ramp for all nations of the world to get out of the

World Health Organization. It's written by about 12 top public health professionals around the world. It's going to be a major report. I think it's going to be used in many nations of the world to finally throw off the yoke of this CCP farmer racket. Just to put it in in ways the authors wouldn't put it. But we'll be releasing that in the next couple of days. I'll send you an advanced copy as soon as I can, Dr. Drew. I think you're really going to like it. It's highly intelligent and very important.

I'm all in. And I heard somebody speaking the other day, and I wish I could remember who it was. And he said, you know, what is wrong with something is terribly wrong with our public health system. I thought, oh, my God, it was somebody important, too. And I thought, my God, somebody's saying this out loud finally. What can we do to sort of, I don't even know where to start with public health, but there's something, we've got to do something to at least deal with this little wrinkle in the Constitution that gives public health fiat authority in an emergency.

These are huge questions, and they're very prescient right now. Now if we're coming out of the COVID period, I'm bothered by the fact we've not really had any kind of a serious reckoning. So I worked with CHD and many other organizations to put up a website called COVID-justice.org. You've probably seen it. In fact, you might have signed it already. It's an extremely important state, but that we think every sitting politician, whether it's federal government states or local or any citizen, ought to be willing to sign just to say this was wrong, this was abusive, nothing like this should ever happen. Again, we desperately need reforms to make sure this is this is true and until we get something like this past or at least

getting you know 100,000 signatures to somebody like that we're we're all vulnerable to repeat of the same thing so we cannot let this moment just go by and pretend like this didn't happen to us so this is at least something that people can do that that was the driving purpose of putting up the site was like here's something. something you can do. We have 32 or 33,000 signatures so far. It's, it's in any case, Dr. Drew, we've, we all felt powerless during the COVID period, the lockdowns, the mandates. You know, as citizens, we have to take back power for ourselves and make our voices be heard somehow. And I don't exactly know how that is, but this is at least a step in that direction.

sovereignty of the people is something that I think I told you I started hearing in France and I'm like oh my God we should that is absolutely the focus. People are sovereign, period, period. And we have completely lost track of that with the fraud and the COVID and the. And now did you did you get anything out of the Epstein? This is my really last question. Anything out of the Epstein files that enlightened you about what they were percolating behind the scenes or at very minimum. a culture that has already been so deeply established that was set up to perpetrate what they did. Well, there's so many files that it's hard to make sense out of a lot of the connections.

But the thing that bothered me most was this presumption that there's an elite class that's going to decide everything for us. And they all just meet in secret with clever emails back and forth. Ha, ha, ha, this and that. I mean, this is a culture that it's not consistent with who we are as a nation, how we should aspire to live in a democratic society that Alexis de Tocqueville decide, you know, laid out and explained to us. This is not the world we want to live in. And I don't like it. If we do anything with the rest of our lives, we need to get rid of that sort of nudge, nudge, wink, wink, you know, cloak and Dagger elite class.

ruling class control and give people, give people back their power that they should have in a free society. That's, that's what I came. The files just may be angry. I thought, you know, I just hate all these people. That was my takeaway. Yeah. Yeah. Take, well, keep your eye on Sayer G's threads on X. He's doing a really good job of penetrating and looking at this stuff. And so to me, he sort of brought so much stuff to light where I, so now, you know, since we first met, to me, there have really been three sort of, sort of major, uh, hurt and the episodes of the curtain being pulled back. And as we said, Jeffrey said before the mics heated up and he said, yeah, but there's many more curtains.

It's like the, like the opening of Get Smart. For those of you who can remember what Get Smart, what television show was, it's just a series of doors after doors after doors that he's walking through. And why did I bring this up? Well, that's the description of our lives. You know? Yeah, I was going to say, the three big ones for me, COVID was a big one, and that had sort of multiple doors in it.

The fraud investigations, I guess sort of in a way, Elon Musk group was part of that too, but ultimately the fraud lately has been just stunning. and then finally the Epstein files. These are each of these, like, these, oh my God, I had no idea of the world I was living and it turns out. You know, Dr. I want to add one other point here that I think it would be important to you and your listeners.

Bobby Kennedy embarked on this reform effort with a great deal of earnestness. The assumption was if we can show the data, we get good scientists, we can make our case, we'll use the system and reform it in a way. that serves the people. That was the idea. Okay, you can say that's very naive, but that's what he believes going into it. Well, now we see that they're greeting this buzzsaw

of industrial power that is beyond anything I think anybody imagined to be the nature of reality six years ago. We didn't know. I certainly didn't know. And now I'm just awestruck at just the reach of the pharmaceutical companies and way they've embedded themselves in academia and in the journals and in the science and in the agencies and and deeply into our lives, you know, at the retail level. And I didn't know this. I didn't know that's the way the world worked. I think it's worked

this way for a lot of decades, but nobody ever told me. So, you know, I think what RFK is doing with his other associates and friends and other agencies is very wonderful. and very sweet and very earnest. And they're confronting a cynical and dark and dangerous machine that does not play fair. They don't care about the rules. They're very practiced using every tool they have to thwart any kind of reforms. And it's frustrating because, you know, our side are, you know, just sweet, naive, nice people. trying to unite the system under which we live with truth and data and good science concerning health.

We're facing so many barriers from every direction. It's a shock. And it's enough to make you sort of blackpilled or dark or cynical. I'm resisting that. And the reason I am is I just assume that the more progress we make, the more desperate the opposition is. is going to get. And that's what I see this court decision in Massachusetts. This is an act of desperation. They probably did not want to use these blunt instruments and these smears of scientists that are in

this court decision. But this is all they really have left. You know, the beast gets angrier as it sees itself being threatened. And I think that's the moment we're in. This is not any time to lighten up. This is the time for more transparency, more truth, and more moral. courage above all else. Like don't don't lose heart, just keep going and tell the truth. That's my, that's my principle. And then everyone

should go to brownstone.org and keep up and follow Jeffrey Tucker on X and good luck wherever you're off to now and I really appreciate you spend all the time with us. Thanks for tolerating my strange situation here today and I appreciate being on

and let's get together when I get back in my studio, okay? 100%. Okay, all the best. Jeffrey Tucker, everybody. Coming up next, Gino Young and Vashon Tunkle, they are activists in Chicago. I saw Vashan in a video where he was facing down the mayor in a city council meeting. And I thought, I think we need to talk to that guy.

He's on to something. And they will join us. And then after Gino and Vashon, we have Autumn Smith in studio. She, of course, is co-founder Paley Valley to give us thoughts on some new ideas and products. And first, we will be speaking with Gino and Vasson. Vashem after this. I've spent most of my career dealing with illnesses that shorten life. And now we have ways to extend it and extend wellness.

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You know, these are all things that enhance NAD. NAD is essentially how the mitochondria transfer electrons and hydrogen ions. They're ultimately sending hydrogen ions out inside the cells, outside the cells so they can flow in, and they create phosphate bonds by doing that, that energy transfer of the hydrogen moving down. I mean, I have to get a diagram out to explain it. But there are several things, but NAD, the important thing is NAD reduces as we age, and that it exposes us to more oxidative stress.

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So they are, they and I, and we take them and you take them. So it's important. All right. Gino Young is a conservative author. He's south side of Chicago. Musician, Educator, Social Commentator, Author. of sex, drugs, and illiteracy, the death of education in America.

And Vashon Tunkal is Chicago. YouTube, conservative activist based in Chicago appears in many different viral video moments. You can follow Gino on Instagram, official Gino Young, GENO, and

ex-G-O-F-O-G-O-E-O-O-O-O-O-H-N-H-N-C-H-I-R-N-C-H-E-H-E-E-H-E-E-E-H-E-E-E-E-H-E-E-E-E-N-C-E-E-E-E-E-H-E, Turn Chi, Red, and also on YouTube at the Chicago Conservative gentlemen. Thank you and welcome to the program. Thanks for having us, Doctor. Thank you for having me. Is that a play? Is that a play on Chi, turn chi? No, it's for now shy.

Like, it's short for Chicago. That's what we call in Chicago. Oh, I see, I thought you were making a play on turnkey, and we're going to get some turn chi going. It sounds nice. It sounds nice. Oh, Lord. So explain to me, I guess, Vashan, where I saw you in that viral video,

it was Oliver X when you were quite reasonably addressing the city council. And I'm wondering what the response was to it all. I got, you know, it was pretty much positive feedback. You know, I have a couple people who didn't like what I had to say. But majority of them were fairly liberal, so who cares. But, yeah, there was a lot of positive feedback in regards to what I said about Brandon Johnson because his leadership is just absolutely terrible. When it comes to things that need to be prioritized in the city of Chicago, like crime, homelessness, when it comes to children's education, he just absolutely fails. And when people like me come out and speak out about it, he just basically ignores us.

even the aldermen there, the 50 aldermen, they ignore us. They basically just don't care, guys. So I tell people all the time to put the power into the people's hands because we are the ones that vote for these people. And I tell them to stop voting blue because, in my opinion, me being alive, my entire life, the Democratic Party has never prioritized the people. And I'm not trying to play favoritism or anything here. But, you know, when it come to people who live in poverty neighborhoods and things like that, the Democrats tend to come to these people and they say we're going to give you free this and free that, which in my opinion ultimately leads people in a basically just in ultimate loop when it comes to being dependent on the government, which I do not want at all. And what started the whole city council thing was he was trying to raise property taxes by $300 million, dollars, which he promised that he wouldn't do.

So we had a few people like me, Zoe Lee, Daniel Carter. I believe you guys have seen them. They're a part of Chicago, flips red. And then that got shut down. And then after that, they tried to do it for another $150 million. And then that got shut down as well. And then they just kept going and then they kept going. And then it eventually led to a $40 million credit line, which even I asked Brandon Johnson,

and how are we going to pay that money back because the keyword is credit. So it's just a lot of stuff going on. And I don't want to, you know, take up all the time. But when it comes to the budget in Chicago, it's just absolutely disgraceful that on paper, it says that, you know, we're $1.2 billion in debt, but watchdogs have recently found out

that Chicago is actually $41.1 billion in debt. So we would love to know where all of that money is on. And I even addressed that to him at City Hall as well. And all he can talk about is Trump. Oh, Donald Trump is this and Donald Trump is that. And it's just absolutely disgraceful how all this guy, him and J.B. Prisker, can do is talk about Donald Trump. Now, I get it. We're not getting federal funding, but Donald Trump is afraid that you're going to fund illegal migrants.

In my opinion, that's the only reason why we're not getting federal funding. So it's just a lot. But, yeah. Yeah. And, Gino, tell me how you and Vashan fit together and give me your thoughts on why the mayor is doing such a... What is... Does he just not understand basic accounting? What is the problem with the mayor?

Well, he's absolutely disgraceful as the issue. When I think about it, you know, we all talked about and we sort of laughed at Lori Lightfoot because she was a joke. And we would all say that you can't get any worse than Lori Lightfoot. I remember back in the day, Tucker... Carlson when he was on Fox News, he used to always say that that was the worst mayor in America. And unfortunately, Brandon Johnson has taken that mantle and he's run with it. But when we look at these two individuals, they're really just people in suits, really. The Democrat establishment of the DNC, they select who they want to run Chicago and they act in lock step. So whether it's

Brandon Johnson or whether it was Ron Emmanuel or whether it was Lori Lightfoot, we always end up with the worst possible representation. So as Ashana alluded to, it comes down to the people. The people need to be informed and they need to understand that voting in lockstep with the Democratic Party since 1931 in Chicago, that's just how long they've been in charge since 1931.

Okay, my great-grandmother was nine, and she lived to be almost 100. So we need to understand that these people, they are not prioritizing our communities. They do not have our best interests at heart. And that they want to create a boogeyman out of Donald Trump, or President Trump, excuse me. And they want to create a boogeyman out of ICE. But the issue is President Trump is not a problem in Chicago. President Trump or ICE, they're not the issue here.

Republicans don't control anything in Illinois. The problem are these Democrat politicians who blow into our towns every two and four years talking about change that never comes. And I actually ran for Congress back in 2022. I was the youngest federal candidate anywhere on the ballot nationwide. And I was the youngest candidate anywhere in Illinois. And when I ran for Congress, my mantra was for 86 years, we've had Democratic representation right here in the first congressional district. And what has it gotten you? And I always sort of tied that back to President Trump when he ran and he said to the black community specifically, what do you have to lose? You go to the worst schools and you have the worst education. You have the

worst roads. You have the worst neighborhoods. And a lot of people were put off by that statement. But when you think about it, all of the Democratic Party breeds is destruction. And I saw that firsthand when I went into the public school system. And that's what led me to write my book. I saw it firsthand all that they that they breed is destruction and chaos. And now our children are suffering for it. And you have a CTO president, Stacey Davis Gates, running around quoting radical socialist James Baldwin, saying that the children of Chicago are all of our children. All the children belong to the CETU.

yet her own children don't even go to Chicago public schools. Now, how is it that you are the head of Chicago Public Schools or Chicago Teachers Union, and you won't even send your own darn children to the schools that you run? Now, what type of clown is that? But that's the type of leadership, so-called, you want to call it that, that we have here in Chicago.

It's disgraceful, and it's why we are one of the most moved out of states nationwide. Sounds like you're following the California plan. I mean, we have a governor that has similar sort of relationship with schools, closes them down and sends his kids to private schools so they can continue their education. It's just, it's really wild. And I want to ask, I'll start with Gino first. You know, it seemed like Chicago was really coming on the late 90s and early 2000s. And I didn't realize it's been democratically run ever, you know, the whole way. But somebody must have been doing something right.

what I'm trying to get my head around it, it may not be a Democrat Republic thing. It may be more something else, some ideology, some capture that's happened in your city because it was doing, it was coming on and then boom. And Lori Lightfoot was what really the floor fell down,

fell out. Absolutely, doctor. So one of the things, and I get into this early on in my book, it's about the demographics of Chicago. When you look at the late 90s, you had a police force that was being, they were being supported

by the mayor that we had at that time. My father actually worked as a Chicago Police Department officer. And before that, he was in CHA, which was the Chicago Housing Authority, which handled the really infamous projects, which were Cabrini Green, Robert Taylor Holmes, All-Gill Gardens. So he really was on the front lines. And he always tells the story about how his first night on the job, they sent him out there with a pistol and a couple of clips and said,

y'all be safe. That was their exact words, y'all be safe. and put them up under the bridge right there at Robert Taylor Homes, which was one of the most infamous housing projects anywhere in the country, frankly. So when you look at it, you had a concentration of crime, but it was in those specific areas, whether it was the projects or certain neighborhoods. But as soon as they disbanded those projects, they ended up displacing all those people and shipping them all across the south suburbs of Chicago

and all across the city. So we began to see a demographic shift. Even in my neighborhood, which is actually still a pretty nice neighborhood to live in, you're starting to see different elements creep in that weren't here prior. And the school systems have taken the brunt of that in the greatest regard because I could tell you the children that I was dealing with out in the south suburbs of Chicago, they were like straight up project kids. They were like anything that you would have seen in the projects in the 1990s

because their parents were those people. So that's why I was receiving death threats. I received a death threat when I worked at Hillcrest High School in Country Club Hills, Illinois. And that's why I no longer worked there because after I received a death threat from the girl, which I took seriously, by the way, because two people have been murdered there

in the last couple of years on the school grounds. One was a student, one with the parent. I took that death threat very seriously, and they ended up getting upset with me, not so much because of the death threat, but because the girl that did it wanted to say that I said something, to her and that was inappropriate.

Like I cursed her out or something. So instead of them dealing with the child that was out of control, they just decided just to tell me, well, you know, you don't have to come back here anymore. We don't need you. But I said all that to say the demographic change in Chicago that you see really is based on the fact that we have taken crime that was once concentrated in one area

and just sort of broadened it out across the entire Chicagoland area. Sean, your thoughts? I would have to agree with Gino, but I think it's a little bit deeper than that. I believe Dr. Drew brought this up earlier about the progressive ideologies. Me personally, I think it started under the Obama administration when he got elected because I believe he brought back race into the equation, bringing back racism, bringing back victimhood when it comes to the neighborhoods, especially the ones in a black community.

And when we brought that back, I mean, now you would. have J.B. Prisker making things like the Safety Act, which isn't safe at all. There's nothing safe about the safety act because it basically allows criminals to be allowed back on the street if you guys want to look into that. But it's absolutely disgraceful how this act is still existing at this point. And it actually just is just one of many things that just calls the absolute downfall of not just Chicago, but all of our beautiful cities like New York, like Los Angeles, like Detroit, and so forth, it's because of the progressive ideologies. It's because, in my opinion, I just believe Barack Obama just brought back something that just really didn't exist. I mean, I'm not going to say that

racism never existed in America, but how can you say that America is racist when they voted for you twice? You being a black man, well, black man in America, he has. know, you shouldn't say that America is racist at all. And when we bring race into the equation, it just brings division. And this is ultimately the problem with Brandon Johnson as well, because he's just a very, very racist man. I caught this out at City Hall as well. He basically just thinks that prioritizing black Americans of Chicago, like on the west side and the south side, he believes that these are the only people that exist in Chicago and they're not. You know, you have white Americans, you have Italian Americans, you have Polish, you name it.

Like all of these people exist. And it's just absolutely ruined Chicago now. Like the CTA is terrible. Over 80% of people are afraid of taking the CTAs and property taxes are about like, what, 13%. And I believe we discussed this earlier about him not raising property taxes and promising that he wouldn't. and then that he would actually shut down businesses in Chicago. I believe there was one business on the Riverwalk that was bringing in millions of dollars in revenue, by the way, a year. So I don't know why he would do that, but he shut the place down and replaced it with a black-owned business that eventually just got closed down eventually.

So he just basically prioritizes black America in Chicago. It's honestly just not fair. It's not fair at all. and he don't hold the parents accountable when it come to things like Team Takeover. These young kids, they don't all, you know, I mean, yes, they do, you know, want to have fun and things like that,

but all of them aren't just trying to have fun. Some of them want to cause havoc out there in Chicago. They're, you know, breaking in business like Rolex and Louis Vuitton, and this is ultimately why McDonald's left is because the homelessness and the crime in Chicago is just too much. And me personally, I believe one of the alderman Ray Lopez, he brought this up in one of the committee meetings, is that we should hold the parents accountable when it comes to their children doing painous acts outside of their time limit or, you know, when it comes to the curfew. I think this ultimately needs to happen. But when we bring these ideas to Brandon Johnson, he just basically shoved them away.

And I would actually encourage Chicago to vote to vote red because today is actually election, not election. day, but it's voting day for the primaries in Chicago. So I'd actually encourage people to vote red down the ballot because we definitely need conservative Republican values in Chicago. Like Gino said, it hasn't been a Republican mayor since, what, 1927 through 1931, I believe. So that's nearly a century. So there's nothing wrong with voting differently. We don't have to abide by the Democratic machine for almost 100 years in Chicago. and we just need things to be fixed. Like homelessness is rapid.

Almost 8,000 people are reportedly homeless in 2025. And that's just in 2025. And that's not even including illegal migrants that Brandon Johnson just love to fun, by the way. We could only have just 10,000 in California and Los Angeles. We're in the 100,000 range. But gentlemen, I've got to move to the next topic. I appreciate your efforts. my father was from Chicago, my grandparents live in Chicago after coming, immigrating from Eastern Europe.

It's a great city with a marvelous history and it's worth fighting for. So I wish you the best. I hope we'll check in with you again soon. Thank you. Thank you so much for having this doctor. Thank you gentlemen. Cheers. All those guys on X and you won't be disappointed.

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So, as you were talking about glycine, is an amino acid, very underrated. been kind of pushed aside in our modern diet. Well, and not only that, it's a precursor of glutathione, right? It is. Is that where you're aiming at? Well, kind of, because some of the trials show that Glynak, Glycine plus cysteine, reverse several harm marks of aging. But also Glycine, there's new research with this researcher, Dr. Joel Brand.

He wrote a book called The Glycine Miracle. And what he's found is that Glycine acts as a trigger lock under macrophages. So macrophages, first responders. They can have two modes. They can kind of shoot things up or they can kind of clean things up. And so when you have enough glycine around, which is more than you'd need to build your structural proteins, you actually keep those macrophages silent through a glycine-gated chloride channel. So it's an anti-inflammatory.

Essentially. Yeah. But it allows the proper level of inflammation. Like if you get an infection, it's not going to shut it off. It's just going to make sure inappropriate inflammation doesn't happen. And so that's why I think broth, glycine, really awesome idea to bring back. And glycine has also been shown to drop the body temperature inhibit. It's kind of inhibitory neurotransmitter.

And so it was the perfect basis for a sleep formula, right? Like a very naturally minded formula. So I'm surrounded by bone broth right now. Now, you also have a new way protein. And that must be glycine in there too. There's probably, but not like sleep protein. Glycine is the third amino acid in collagen. So it would be in far smaller quantities.

In way. In way. Who needs the way protein as opposed to the bone broth? I love that question. People who are looking to build muscle, right? Way protein. It also has great immune. It's caloric though, isn't it?

Way protein? It's a little bit. Super caloric. It's not, it actually has, you know, 90, 100, around 100 calories, but it's going to be great for building muscle and also gut health. And also, because it has immunoglobulins that support immune function. You also put digestive enzymes in here. Yes.

And colostrum. Exactly. Colostrum is what they used to use before antibiotics. So it's liquid gold. And so we combined colostrum. These are great products. Yeah. Yeah.

That's what we try to do. I'm going to have to tell people what to choose, you know, how to choose what they need, you know. And so I just got this one today and I'm dying. I'll use it tonight. I guarantee it. And it has chamomile, rachy, melatonin, and bump, broth. Yeah, and the melatonin is a phytomelitonein derived from tomato. Oh, interesting.

It's very interesting, yeah. So it's not a synthetic version. What makes that different? Other than it's not synthetic. Other than the sourcing. And then it will have small levels of phytonutrients in it, lycopene and GABA, for example. And the dose is much lower. It's like one milligram.

I saw that. It was one milligram. And people don't understand. They only need like one milligram. Yeah. Like we naturally produce like 0.5 to 3 milligrams. And so to. mega dose isn't always great for your hormonal health because it is a hormone.

We don't really know what we're doing when you get up to five, 10 milligrams. We don't really understand it. I agree because circadian rhythm is set. And yeah, who knows what it might be unlocking it? We just don't know yet. There's so many things we use in a widespread way that we're just like,

well, one milligram's probably enough. And we use five because I don't know, I don't even know. I think people are trying to get more than five hours out of it. And they'll use the long acting and stuff like that. Yeah. So any longer acting than the,

the phyto component longer than the regular? No, I think we just opt for what would be a normal physiological dose. And then we support sleep in other aspects like the chamomile. It's going to calm the mind. The reishy's going to help balance the stress response, the magnesium. You know, so we just supported several aspects and put a lower dose that is like comparable to what your body would naturally produce. What's up with the company?

Everything going well? Everything's going beautifully. Tell people the story again, where it got started and what happened. Basically, I had irritable bowel syndrome for 10 years and mental health issues. you were one of my heroes, and I didn't see any solutions in the conventional medical system. And so when I changed my diet at my husband's suggestion back in 2007, my IBS was resolved in 30 days. And then over the course of the next year, I learned a few other levels I could pull to improve my mental health on my own. And I feel like I had a complete transformation.

And so when I went on tour with J-Lo back in 2012, I didn't know this part of the story. Oh, you didn't know. What was that all about? I was in a Tracy Anderson trainer. And right before I left for tour, I had kind of reclaimed my health and my gut was going well. And then I went on that tour for seven months. And I didn't have staples. I didn't have the products that I could rely on.

I didn't have control over my life or environment. Right. And gee, sleep times and stuff. And my health backslid. And so when I got back to the United States, my husband and I decided we were going to create the products that people could take with them just to have a gut healthy lifestyle no matter where they were. And you went into nutrition science training at that point, right? I did. Yeah. When I was on tour, I knew I had to go in a new direction slightly because food had done something for my health that exercise didn't, on its own, at least. So yeah, I wouldn't got my master's, became a psychology of eating certified coach, and then I went and got my dissertation. I finished my doctorate like two years ago. Do you, I am as from the position of your academic training, this is off topic, but I've been worried about this lately. And I'm just curious on your thoughts.

GLP ones and the way people are overusing them or misusing them or too much using them or whatever it is. I don't know what to make of it yet. Your thoughts. I don't want to bias it too much. Oh, goodness. It's such a nuanced topic, right? I think there could be people that may benefit if they tried a lot of other things. There's no such thing as a bad molecule. It's just how we use these things where it gets bad. Yeah, I think when we skip to them instead of doing the lifestyle, changing the diet and exercising, I think we're doing ourselves a disservice because they're obviously going to have repercussions potentially, I think are starting to appear. We're worried about the muscle loss.

Sarcopenia, people are not paying enough attention to it. They don't understand what happens as you get 70, 80 years of age. They don't get it. And I have friends use it too and come back from it and decide not to use it because they were seeing that muscle wasting. Muscle wasting gallbladder disease, which is when people lose weight. And then I've seen gut necrosis. I've seen really serious.

Really serious reactions and death. I haven't seen death, but I've seen people whose gut just doesn't seem kind of paralyzed. It gets paralyzed. That's how it works. It works by paralyzing, but it doesn't come back in many cases. Yeah. That's when it's atrocious. Yeah.

And I think if we can lean on protein, a natural version of that. And if we can learn to prioritize protein and just nutrition, I think many of us could do it on our own. And I hope that a lot of us do. So this in the morning in the evening and this in the morning. So chocolate's my chance. Mine too. And I'm trying to figure, I saw that you came up with the way and I thought, hmm, I don't know. I have another preoccupation on the traditional front, which is what should a man my age way?

Because really people don't talk about that. And so I have trained my whole life. Used to be a lot more muscular and have easy, you know, can do that. Now my shoulders are destroyed for various reasons and maintaining muscle mass a lot different. And so when I lose weight, which I can do, I know how to do that. I can do it, no problem. I start to look and feel feeble. It's a really interesting thing.

People, nobody talks about. And the last thing I want to do is put myself in a position where if I'm not able to keep pushing that sarcopinic cliff back, I'm going to go from feeble to invalid. Yeah. And it's a very valid concern because muscle is organ of longevity. And I've interviewed several protein researchers. and what they have for breakfast a lot of times is way. And way contains leucine. And there's that lucine threshold that you want to get, I think is about 2.5 grams per meal

in order to, you know, maximally stimulate that muscle protein synthesis. Okay, that's good to know. So I do think way, way is going to be better for building muscle than something like bone broth. Bone broth is going to come in with that recovery. So you're not going to get as inflamed and you're potentially going to recover and sleep better. Also an important part of the equation. But the way has its own merit. It is only 90 calories.

per scoop, right? You managed to do, I don't know how you did that. Yeah. Well, it doesn't, this one doesn't have. Is the scooper this big? It's not that big, but we also didn't have, it's not like 20 grams of protein for scoop. So there's a little bit less protein. So that's probably why that is.

Susan, do you have any questions for Autumn? I know you're, we are just big, you know, leave this up all the time. When we travel, oh my God, it saves our life. I've been reaching for the bars a lot on the road. Everybody loves them. It's one of my faves. Yes. No, you guys are covering everything.

I'm not as professional at this. You know what? Talk to them a little bit now that you've told your story about regenerative farming and why that's important because I'm not sure everybody really understands that. Yeah. So there's basically three types of agriculture happening today. There's the conventional sort, which is very extractive. And if you think about it like a business, it would be a business that's operating at a loss.

Yeah. Right. We're destroying our topsoil. There's antibiotics and our food supply and on and on. And then there's organic and sustainable. And that's, you know, a business that's operating profitably, but not necessarily growing. So there's still practices within organic agriculture that could be destructive like tillage. And regenerative, what it is at its heart is it's taking something and making it better.

So you take a plot of land, you improve the soil microbiome through feeding exudates and improving root, the root structure. And then you improve water holding capacity that way. And then you improve nutrient density that way. And so it's just you're measurably impacting the land. positively. That's what I understand. I just understand it simplistically, which is that you're getting more nutrient density out of the soil and you're sustaining the soil's potential to create nutrient density. Essentially. Because estimates are murky, but people think we might only have like 60 harvest left before we run out of the ability to produce our own food because we've been losing

soil at such an alarming rate. Aren't they just pouring nitrates in? They're just pouring chemicals in to replace it. Exactly. But it doesn't replace. Because I mean, even in my dissertation, there's 30,000 compounds just in beef. Imagine the complexity underground. There's more life in a teaspoon of soil than, I mean, you just can't recreate that. And so the question, obviously, is why don't more people do regenerative farming? I think because people fear that it can't sustain the world, but many of our small-scale farms are actually, in fact, feeding the world.

And there's just massive consolidation and this push, you know, seed companies, agricultural, chemical companies. they don't want this kind of change. And so I think a lot of it has to come from grassroots, from people paying attention, understanding. So more efficiency is what they're pushing for at whatever the cost, whatever the... We're prioritizing efficiency over ecology.

Yeah. And there is a time, you can't do that forever. And so I'm saying this is our generations, I think, big movement, I hope, is that we will become closer, more connected to where our food's coming from because our future literally depends on it. Well, it's certainly top of mind and being discussed and, you know, sort of every day in the press in a way it's never been before. I mean, you guys came in along the right at the exact right time.

But I was thinking to myself, you know, with your products, I don't really need any other snack products around, you know. And whenever I reach for anything else, I wonder myself, why am I doing that? Because it's much more healthy to go with the meat stick or the, Really? Well, thank you. And I don't know if it's palate fatigue or something, but if you stayed in this zone, you're really at a good shape in terms of nutrients and calorie content and protein content. That's cool. Yeah. And where do you believe you're expanding in the future? Can you talk about that yet? Oh, yeah. So we have some bone broth protein coffees coming out. We just launched a fish row product. Yeah. We're actually getting into new types of bars.

But I put my bone broth in my coffee. I know, which is great. But it's just like a, it's a less saturated version. Yes. So you're going to have less. Do you do it? Is it for the coffee or is it made with the coffee? It's made with the coffee. Okay, got it.

Yeah. So something like that, we have a lot of new flavors coming. We're working on a churro. We have a churro flavor and ready to drink. Bone broth shakes. Who thought of that? Our genius food scientists. Wow.

They really nailed it. So yeah, we're just going to expand flavors and more. More meat sticks, obviously. Different kinds of meat sticks. Yeah. Our coffee is one of our bestsellers. We had no idea. When we looked at the data, we were like, oh, okay.

The mushroom coffee. The low acid, polyphenol dense, mushroom coffee. It's one of our best sellers. So anybody's buying your coffee. They should be buying these products as well. That's a great. I think they are. Yeah, no, our bone broth is our best seller.

Okay. So chocolate bone broth is number one. But coffee is close by. That makes sense of me. That's my number one too. Yeah, yeah. And we do use your coffee as well. It's very, very fine, very excellent coffee.

The meat sticks for me, I can't take any of the flavorings on anything. Oh. Yeah, this is my gut problem as I've aged. I can. But she does. She loves them. I can. Talk about the organ meat.

No, the organ. The organ, which I, this is, you know, when I was on carnivore diet, there was a little deficiency for me in this area. Talk to us about why this is important. Okay, so organ meats are nature's multivitamins, right? In the most bioavailable forms of iron. Are you doing heart, kidney liver? Heart, kidney and liver, all from grass-fed animals. And so liver, best source of A in its active form and vitamin B-12, iron and zinc, great sources of that. Heart is great for Koc10. And kidney has a lot of selenium for thyroid support. But this is essentially a multivitamin your body recognizes and knows how to use readily. And again, one of those foods that we don't consume anymore.

There is a, do you know Kate Shanahan? Yes. Kate always says, eat more organs, of all types, and eat more meat close to the bone. Yes. There's more nutrients there. Lysine and that, exactly. And there's something very invigorating. If you want more energy, it's probably because you're nutrient deficients often and the iron and B-12 and organs. They take six tablets each time, right? But you're trying to surprise you. I'm like, oh, it took two. Three, it seems like a lot, but I'm up for six. Now they've tolerated three for a while. Well, what have I missed here?

Is there anything up on, you know, sort of anything in the news, anything you guys are pursuing, anything that's controversial in the nutrition space? So many things that are controversial. I mean, one of the product that I think your audience could love is we have a new fish row product coming. Yeah. And 75% of the world is deficient in omega-3 fatty acids. Very important for the health of the brain.

but many fatty acid supplements are very low quality, or they don't have the forms that necessarily are able to get into the brain. It's mostly DHA. Yes, DHA and the phospholipid form. It's founded DHA. There's like a special transporter. Yeah, that is LISO DHA is called preferential access into the brain. And so.

And so if the fish row is a pill? Yeah. Yeah. It's taken from herring. Herring is a very rich source of omega-3 fatty acids. And then there's some anchovies and macrol. And so there are a few other nutrients in there too, but also pro-resolving mediators. I don't know if you've talked about these on the show.

No, tell me. Oh, my goodness. Yes. This is a very sad. So many things. So back in the 1990s, Dr. Sirhan found that when Omega-3s, DHA and EPA, have grandchildren, there's something called specialized pro-resolving mediators. And they're compounds that resolve inflammation.

So they always knew that DHA and EPA were involved. with controlling or modulating inflammation. They didn't know how. And they found these pro-resolving mediators. And so our formulation also contains pro-resolving mediators. And these are immune modulator sort of? Yeah, they essentially turn off inflammation. So there's a few different kinds.

There's like protectins and there's merisons and there's one other form that I can't remember right now. But DHA produces a lot of different broader categories. And then EPA also has its own set of categories. And they're working on the cell surface, I'm imagining. Yeah. There's different, like there's a neuroprotectin that works in the brain and kind of like turning down inflammation in the brain specifically.

And then others are allocated to different parts of the body. I've noticed that I seem to get something out of DHA more than EPA. But the pro-inflammatory mediators, pro-resolving mediators, something I've got to try. Yeah, you have to try it. It might be something that you already have, but it's definitely, I think, a big part of the equation. I was surprised that you haven't heard of them before, but you should definitely look into that research because- For sure. All right. Controversies, you were going to tell me. Ooh, controversies. Well, I think one thing that's important to know is that, you know,

the meat market is massively consolidated. Four companies own 85% of the beef processing. That's very dangerous, vulnerable position. And I think one of the other things that we need to do is try to decentralize our food supply, try to get reconnected, try to rebuild those local pathways in the food sovereignty. So I think if there's one thing I want to ask is that, yeah, we just pay more attention, try to take our power back because we don't want to be so disconnected from our local food. And we don't want a handful of CEOs in far off countries making decisions that are impacting our communities because they won't be the same decisions. No, local, always better, better, better, fats. What do you want to tell people about fats?

Oh, fats. I think this is fascinating. Fats, I really like, I'm really kind of into. the omega 6 to 3 balance conversation. And that was what my dissertation was on. So I think reducing omega-6s in the form of maybe cooking with a lot of seed oils, maybe re-embracing those ancestral fats, but also increasing omega-3s in measurable ways. And maybe that's even the bigger lever, I think, increasing your omega-3 consumption. Which is more fish. More fish.

Or fish row. Even grass-fed beef, which we found in my dissertation, was a meaningful source, especially when was raised on botanically diverse pastures. And we eat a lot more beef, which is why, and some people just aren't going to eat fish, right? So I think that's also meaning. And the relationship that I was stumbling over between glycine and omega-3s? I think the relationship is that they both modulate inflammation. Different ways, right?

Those omega-3s become compounds, prostaglandins, you know, but then glycine actually acts as that trigger lock. Well, I look forward to my sleepy time, sleep tonight, sleep time, bone braw tonight. You have to love you know what you think. Will it stop him snoring? Well, we haven't confirmed that, but maybe you can for me, Susan. Maybe it'll work. I'll let you know. I'd love to hear. Let me just throw some sort of fast questions out you, intermittent fasting.

Ooh, I do it every day. Yeah. Yeah, because of my brain, I'm FOE 4-4. Oh, interesting. And fasting stems to protect with that? Yeah, people with my genotype seem to benefit more from extended periods of fasting. How long? I go different times at different parts of my cycle

because I'm still cycling female so I will do probably like 18 to 20 hour fast in the first part and then I hang around 14 to 16 hour fast. Interesting. And do you think that the GLP ones are triggering new kind of body dysmorphia? Oh,

I'm worried about that. I am. Notice that the standard gets, has gotten maybe a little, what looks to be a little less helpful. We've taken the body positivity movement and now transferred it over to these extremely muscular wasting figures. It's very dangerous, that seems to me.

And again, the opposite of what aging, how aging is done properly and well. I'm just looking through controversy, see if I get anything. What else I want to get on you? Don't even worry. Yeah, the meat thing I'm worried about. Have you guys ever thought about getting into the meat sort of production? Yeah. Oh, we are with wild pastures.

Yeah. So, yeah. So we work with co-ops all around the country. But you don't actually do, do you have, like, the cows and stuff? Or how do you do that? What we do is, and this is so my brother-in-law is a generational farmer from Montana. And so we started with the co-ops. And then where we find most of our farmers now is we provide such a good life for these farmers

that they often tell their friends about us. Got it. And so really, it's kind of word of mouth is how it goes. Because right now, the amount most ranchers is making is getting smaller. And the profits for these larger corporations just continues to rise. And so we're trying to give the farmer back what they deserve and the land. And so, yeah, no, we are in the meat business. It's a very hard business.

Beef prices are rising. Oh, my God, they're ridiculous. Yeah, it's really tough. Oh, it's so hard. Yeah. So if somebody is not yet leaning, on Paley Valley products. Where should they start?

What do you think they, where do people, where do people, where do people? Yeah, where do the people like, you know, what's their sort of yummy entry point? I think it's the chocolate bone broth. It is by far my favorite products. You put it in your coffee, in water, in milk. It dissolves really well. It doesn't taste like bones. It tastes like Swiss mess.

Like, you know, from when you were a kid and you'd have hot cocoa. Yeah. You could throw some marshmallows in there and, yeah, and it has benefits, right? not going to get any sugar, but you're going to get all the glycine and all the other benefits of collagen. And I would suggest trying the meat sticks. I, I, uh, we sell a little commercial I did for you guys, but I was in, um, Vienna and I, we went to a, you know, making a point like, would you really want to eat this versed that they make in Vienna? You don't know what's in here. It's on certain that regenerative farms. And, but I couldn't resist. I took a bite. I took

a couple bites because I was like, I'm in Vienna. I'm going to try it and got sick. He said, I don't know what's in this. I wouldn't eat this. I said, why I go to the stick. I had these with me too. And I was like, so dumb. And then he couldn't eat dinner. He was sick all day.

Oh, no. Yeah. Keep the meat sticks. I ate the rest, though. I was fine. Yes. Beat that as it may. All right.

I'm as tester, but I didn't, I let him down that time. Oh, my gosh. Okay. I got to give you particulars on where we should send people on your behalf. just doctor.com slash paleo valley is where we want people to go. There is, there is. We have also. I would start with the chocolate bone broth because that's like my favorite.

We've eaten a lot of it in this family. I like all the bone broths. I use the unflavored in the soup. And I also use, I like the new, you have that new turmeric one. Do you still have that? We should do. That's good with like an, that has sort of an Asian flavor to it. So you can like put it in with your, you know, make a little, little ramen with that.

And then the one that you have over there, the salted caramel is very holiday oriented. You know, you could make a hot, hot rum toddy with that or something. I don't know. I like that idea. Yeah. And you can also add a little bit to the chocolate. I tell people to be careful before you try your first Paleo Valley beef sticks because you will not be able to eat the ones you get at the grocery store and at the gas station anymore. You just, those will taste like trash the moment that you've tried.

You've had Paler Valley. Yeah, you can't go back. And then the my, I like the jalapeno beef. I like the regular beef and I like the, I like the venison a lot lately. Like I've switched over to venison. I don't know why all of a sudden that's my favorite flavor. So it's good. I really like venison too.

It's got a good texture to it. Yeah, I was going to see it. It's quality of the meat is really like, yeah. Like when you bite into it, she's got a good crunchy. And they don't, they're not like slim jims. are all like, you know, salty and hard and all that, you know, they don't give you a stomach egg. They're more like, they've got good food value.

And they're fermented. That's why. Yeah, that fermentation, I think is a key piece. Caleb, do you kids eat them? Which ones? Oh, no, I'm not sharing my beef sticks. I'm not sharing my paleo valley beef sticks with my kids. I go through these like in a crate box.

Like, yeah. Because I use it. It's like if I'm gaming, like on the weekends, I do gaming with my wife. well, I can't grab chips. I can't grab a, you know, checks mix. I go and I grab one of these. It's not greasy. It doesn't make crumbs.

It's easy to eat without getting sticky fingers on your keyboard. I eat it. Yeah, I have Crohn's disease. It's good for his diet. It's one of those few quick snacks I can eat that doesn't mess with my stomach. And I can eat it while I'm producing a show easily. No, everyone knows that. I like them in the car and in my go bag.

Nice. Well, Autumn. Thank you for being part of our life. Thank you for creating these products. Thank you for coming all the way over here. I'm always moving. People come into the studio. It's like, this is great.

I love it. This is a healthy conversation. You're a doctor. We should be talking about this stuff. Yeah, I was, in fact, I've been thinking about this lately. Obviously, with the Maha thing, there's a lot of nutritional talk. And I saw that the daughter or the founder of Walmarts that founded a medical school in Arkansas that's going to be largely emphasizing nutrition.

I thought, God, I'm not sure that's going to do the time. trick. You know what I mean? Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, it's like we need products. We need to change our behavior. We need to, even like I said to myself, I'm like, what's going out? Why, why am I not always reaching for these for snacks? It just doesn't make sense otherwise. I guess I throw a little peanut, peanuts and legumes in. Yeah. Yeah. That's my guilty pleasure. But that will take me down another path sometimes. So we have to, you know, we have to manage our own behavior too. We really do. And I did see that I think 50 different medical schools committed to 40 hours of nutritional education in their training. And that's a start, like you said. It's good. It's at least gives us a frame. And if somebody's interested in, they can go further downstream. And there's obviously all kinds of information online now. Did we, did I, did we leave anything out in terms of important topics? I'm looking at. You have any Bogo specials going on? Oh. No. We usually have the bone broth Bogo special, but I would still direct them to you guys. Yeah. You guys are. are going to have the best deals.

Yeah. But they have specials occasionally that might see Drew talking about that. So, yeah. All right. Well, Caleb, let's throw up what's coming up

next, the rest of the week and next week, Autumn, thank you for being here. It's really a pleasure. Likewise. And don't forget, Payle Valley, we have discounts there,

doctor. com slash pay the valley. Eric Pauling in here tomorrow, Walter Kern, screenwriter, it would be very fun talk to him. Charlie Powell, Stuart Broughtman,

Let's, you know them? Dr. Wins. Dr. Wence coming in, that's right. And if you go further into April, I got a list. I was like, oh, my God, there's so many people coming in here. April's going to, yeah, we're revving up April. April's have a lot of big names. I'll list some of them because there's so many guests that we can't even have

fitted on this screen. So April 7th, Patricia Heaton. Yeah. April 8th, Dr. Kelly Victory. April 9th, Brianna Wu. April 14th, Nick Fritus. And then you have April 15th, Dr. Ryan Cole, April 22nd, Dell Bigtree, and April 23rd, salty cracker back. You sound like you're feeling better. The Tamiflu is working.

It's working. It's working. I'm what three days into having flu be and got Tamiflu yesterday. I've done three doses and I'm feeling so much improvement already. At least it feels like it's plateaued yesterday and it's heading down. Normally without Tamiflu, this would be a seven-day ordeal. And it doesn't work quite as well for involuntary. Lends a B as A, and A was running around here. Our whole family got taken out by it. I didn't get it. And, uh, Baleigh keeps me from getting sick. I was a sick, my sick of granddaughter all weekend.

I still don't have it. So, I'm doing something right here. I need a gene transfer from you soon. I'm sorry. It's like, I get everything. I know. She was coughing on me and sneezing. So frustrating.

Uh, okay. Caleb, anything else on your, um, hit parade? Nope. All good. I'm excited for these upcoming shows tomorrow. Bowling, James Rosen, and John Strand. Also, thank you, Emily Barsh, for your hard work on the show today and all the upcoming guests.

And we will see you all at 4 o'clock tomorrow. Who is the guest again? I'm sorry, I've screwed it up already. Eric Bowling, James Rosen. No, no, he's the next day. Eric. Oh, sorry. James Rosen.

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