Ask Dr. Drew - Tommy Robinson: UK Activist Banned, Sued, Jailed. Should Offensive Speech Be Free… Or Where Do We Draw The Line? w/ Dr. Harvey Risch & Jennifer Sey – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 383

Episode Date: July 22, 2024

Tommy Robinson has been banned by almost every major social media platform on Earth, and even many right-wing leaders have disavowed his activism. Should free speech be defended even when it’s offensive? Tommy Robinson – the controversial UK activist and English Defense League founder – has been the subject of countless lawsuits and protests against his alleged anti-Islam and anti-immigration speeches. Robinson, born Stephen Yaxley Lennon, has a criminal record of convictions for assault, falsifying documents, mortgage fraud, and stalking. In June 2024, Robinson was arrested again in Canada. Follow him at https://x.com/TRobinsonNewEra Dr. Harvey Risch is Professor Emeritus of Epidemiology at Yale. He provided testimony to the US Senate regarding the COVID-19 pandemic and has spoken widely about his opposition to masking, vaccine mandates, and the reliability of PCR tests – along with his research on COVID prevention and treatment with existing drugs. Follow him at https://x.com/DrHarveyRisch Jennifer Sey is an author, filmmaker, business executive, and retired artistic gymnast. Jennifer began working at Levi Strauss & Co. in 1999, rising to Chief Marketing Officer and then Global Brand President. In January 2022, she was asked to resign because of her public opposition to the extended closure of San Francisco’s public schools. Previously, Jennifer Sey was the 1986 USA Gymnastics National Champion, and a 7-time member of the U.S. Women’s National Team. Sey’s first memoir, “Chalked Up,” was released in 2008. She also produced the 2020 Emmy award-winning documentary film, “Athlete A.” Follow her at https://x.com/jennifersey and find more at https://SeyEverything.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

and so here we go we appreciate you all being here today i'll be watching you on the rumble rants and over on the restream as well we have three excellent guests today very different topics we'll be rolling through this afternoon tommy robinson is a uk activist and the english defense league founder he's been arrested and sued and been in the in trouble quite a bit recently arrested again in canada you can follow him at T. Robinson New Era. And we are going to sort of test our appreciation of the limits of free speech and also how much people should defend their cultural heritage, let's say. Dr. Harvey Risch will be on again as well. He is a professor emeritus of epidemiology at Yale, a legendary professor. And he has a new

book. I want to promote that book for him. And of course, always good to catch up with him, see what he's thinking these days. And then finally, Jennifer Say comes back. She's author, filmmaker, business executive. She was ousted from Levi Strauss for raising certain issues around opposition to particularly extended closure of San Francisco public schools. And she has the XX brand out there. She'll be in studio. We'll be with you after this. Our laws as it pertained to substances are draconian and bizarre.

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school closures. Of course, she and everything she said turned out to be correct. She sacrificed her career for attempting to protect her children. Dr. Harvey Risch, as I said, will be in here before she comes. Actually, Jennifer Say will be in the studio. But right now, we're going to talk to Tommy Robinson Dr. Harvey Risch, as I said, will be in here before she comes. Actually, he's never going to say he'll be in the studio. But right now, we're going to talk to Tommy Robinson. He is, again, T. Robinson, New Era on X.

And he has been an activist for some time and been in the crosshairs of a number of organizations, it seems like. And I got a lot to talk to him about. And again, I'll watch you guys over on the Restream and the Rumble Rants to see if you have any questions or issues that you would like me to raise. Please welcome Tommy Robinson. How are you doing, Dr. Drew? Thanks for having me on. Tommy, thank you for being here.

So I want you to just go ahead and present your case and what you've been subjected to as a result. Presenting my case, I'm a working class lad from a town called Luton, which is 30 miles north of London. I was born in 1982. When I was born, there was one mosque. There's now 45. White English are a minority in my town. I've seen the problems that open border Islamic immigration brings to a town.

I've seen the cultural change. I've seen the change of freedom. I've seen the two-tier policing. I've seen the weakness and cowardice of government in dealing with these hostile, aggressive communities. That's not to say, I'm not saying every Muslim is bad. Some of the best people I met growing up in my hometown of Luton were Muslim. But there is a problem. There's a massive integration problem. The school I went to had the Muslim playground and the non-Muslim playground. I've never seen racial divides in my town our town is divided through religion it's the islamic community and it's the non-islamic community

we didn't create that okay we didn't create that now lots of the issues that i spoke about i first started my activism in 2004 when i confronted a islamic jihadist organization which are now a prescribed terrorist organisation, who had been free to roam and recruit in my town as long as I can remember, for my whole life. Omar Bakri, Abu Hamza, some of the world's most feared terrorists, their organisation's head office was in my town. So unfortunately, when no one knew what jihad was,

I knew and we knew and we had to learn pretty quickly. So I've seen the problems played from Islamic rape gangs in the UK. They call them grooming, Dr. Drew. You may have heard of it. We've heard of towns in Rotherham where there were 1,400 children raped just in that town. My cousin was a victim of those gangs. So people understand. I first started talking about this in 2009 publicly when I formed an organisation called the English Defence League. None of these crimes were highlighted. No one knew of these crimes. In fact,

there was a conspiracy by those in authority, by religious leaders, political leaders, police leaders to hide the fact that these gangs were operating. Now, when we formed in 2009 and we started talking about it, we didn't just start talking about it. We formed in towns and cities in our thousands and we started screaming about it. We didn't just start talking about it. We formed in towns and cities in our thousands and we started screaming about it. We held banners that said our daughters are not Halal me. And we marched through towns demanding the end of the Muslim rape gangs in our country. Now, it took four years before a journalist called Andrew Norfolk was forced to report on these gangs. His words, not mine. He won all the awards for reporting on this, that he believed

he had to take this issue back from the far right. Now, when they say far right, what they mean is concerned British fathers whose daughters were being raped in towns and cities across this country. He had to take it back. And he acknowledged that he was aware of these gangs, but was too fearful to report on them because the gangs were Pakistani Muslim majority and the victims were all young white English girls. These gangs have played dozens, almost 100 towns and cities in our country. They're coordinated. They operate together. And they're so.

All right. So hold on. There's a lot to unpack. Already a lot to unpack. So I'm going to stop you so I don't become awash in all this. I have a lot of questions and then i have sort of a comment so why the separate playgrounds what is that all about why do people have to be separate i mean there's plenty of muslims in this country they aren't separated why the separate when you walk into a school dinner table a school dinner hall in in

in my school yeah you'd have whites blacks chinese hindus sikhs all sitting together at the tables and in the corner you'd have eight tables of muslims yeah and i never understood why as a child growing up and they had their playgrounds they didn't assimilate or integrate with us they weren't friends with us yeah so i want to make sure i'm hearing you it's it was their choice to stay separate it wasn't some sort of formal administrative space that they had to maintain it was their choice and as i said luton is the home everyone everyone's the sons of immigrants everyone yeah all my friends are st lucian jamaican bulgarian italian my mother was an irish yeah yeah no i get it i get it so so

so you're you're this is so interesting and complicated. And I want to make i meant i ask it not to be provocative but for you to be thoughtful about it should every uh group that migrates to a given country with a notable culture with a its own culture should they have to assimilate and and let me and let i ask that question because i i noticed and i I didn't think I was going to get into this as fast, but here I am. I noticed Marie Le Pen brought this same issue up and said, we welcome everybody, but they have to become, I think she said, become French. What's your opinion about that? My opinion is that every other community has. The Sikh community have come to the UK they're still

very religious but they've integrated and assimilated in a fabulous way they work incredibly hard they don't have rape gangs they don't sell heroin in every town and city they don't blow things up or bomb people per se that the Sikh community the Hindu community none of the communities bring these problems with them so when it comes down to assimilation yeah yes my mum was an irish immigrant i'm english i'm born in england i love my country i love it i love my culture now when i spent 22 weeks on solitary confinement drew in 2011 when i i a muslim sent me a quran part of muslim outreach yeah to try and target me for conversion. And when I was in there, I took the Quran, and this is when it all pieced together. I took the Quran, and I challenge anyone to do

this. I took the Quran, I opened it up, I very quickly realised it's not in chronological order when Muhammad said things, but I made notes. And every time it said, do not be friends with Christians or Jews, I referenced the verse. you will have pages and pages of verses within half an hour yeah now when i'd done that i then sat and everything i'd seen growing up made sense i just thought from the age of four or three these children are being taught this yeah now if i if we all taught our children do not be friends with black children yeah if we taught them that and we indoctrinated them from a young age, you'd have white playgrounds and black playgrounds. The point is, we don't. We don't teach our children they're superior. Islam does. Islam teaches its followers they are superior to non-Muslims.

It teaches its followers we're all going to burn in hellfire. Actually, it degrades us as cattle. So all of the things I started to learn piecing together this book made sense to what i'd seen growing up the hostility i'd seen but it all made sense and it didn't take long then and i started dissecting and looking into islam more and more um at this point and then and when i say when i say my hometown of luton and you're not allowed to unfortunately drew you're not allowed to ask these questions you know you said controversial or offensive speech currently right now if you call if you say a man has a penis and a woman has a vagina you're a hate figure yeah

that's now offensive okay now the goals have continually shifted i started my activism 2009 i was very vocal and it was only people like me who were talking against islam that were censored and deplatformed now it's doctors it's nurses it's scientists it's totally shifted you go against any of the agendas now what is the agenda of the british establishment what is the agenda of the global elite they are flooding our countries with islamic immigration and unfortunately for them that causes mass problems now they don't want us to talk about the mass problems it brings, because if they do, we might start questioning their policies. Now, again, and I'll go on numbers and statistics, Muslim men make up two and a half percent of the UK population. A massive problem. In fact,

the darkest stain on British history is the fact that in one town alone, 1,400 children in Brobham, in another small town called Telford, 1,000 children were victims of these rape gangs. It's predicted that almost a million rapes have gone on. Now, 2.5% of the population is Muslim males. 90% of the convictions of these gang-related rapes, 90% are Muslim males and 30% are men. So to my ear, as I look at that, I would go, well, I guess those are interesting observations. You should certainly be able to talk about that.

People should be educated about these things. But what I hear is a failure of government, failure of law enforcement, failure of enforcement, failure of local administration. That's almost everything you said to me was all about abject government failure. Well, it's a failure of their policies. It's a failure of every institution that should have been there to protect the children. Because we found out in the government studies that the way when I say 90 percent were Muslim, 30 percent of the men convicted are called Mohammed. Yeah. What the question, unfortunately, that we need to ask is why are the Sikhs not doing it? Why are the Hindus not doing it? Why is no other community doing these crimes? And when we talk about the crime, you have to understand the level of the level of the crimes. I've done a five part series called The Rape of Britain. In that five-part series i focus on a town called telford i travel

to telford telford has a 1.7 muslim population in that town 1 000 children were raped and five are dead just in that town yeah five are dead the police investigation identified 200 men that were involved in those rapes, 200. Our investigation named 264, an independent inquiry named over 300. There's only 3,000 Muslims in that town. When you get rid of the women and you get rid of the children, you've got 1,000 Muslim men. Out of 1,000 Muslim men, the police identified 200. 20% of the men in that town. So people need to understand the scale of the problem and also understand the level of

sedition that was done to these children. It wasn't about sexual gratification. It was about the total destruction of these children. For example, one girl was 11 or 12 years old. They heated up an iron rod with the letter M and they scolded her bum because she was the property of Mohammed. Another 12-year-old

girl had her tongue nailed to a table. Other girls were taken out to the woods and they had canisters of petrol poured over them. They were urinated in their faces. These are the crimes. And the problem is, Drew, these are our daughters. These are our daughters, yeah? And this was facilitated and accommodated by our government and our police. They failed. See, that's the part that stands out for me. I mean, you try to figure out why it has a certain pattern to it. Don't do that. I don't think that's going to bear fruit.

But you have to focus on stopping the problem and why is the government failing so miserably? What is going on here? Now, I want to dial it back a little bit i got got some other stuff i want to you mentioned freedoms policing and culture okay those are the things that you see eroding did i get that correct freedoms policing culture right and and what is what was the first one politicized policing we're seeing politicized policing yeah which is terrible i agree just like politicizing medicine it politicizing medicine is out of control it's disgusting and i know you've got that going on in your country too but but the the question i have is is about the cultural because whenever i see a lot of energy around

immigration i i if i'm an outsider and i listen carefully to what people are worried about what they what it really always goes down to is the identity of their national culture they're worried they're i first heard this a couple of years ago from the French. I saw academics starting to worry about what does it mean to be French? What even is that? And I thought, oh, they're worried that they're going to lose this thing, whatever this thousand year of history is we call French. Do you agree with me that although I understand these crimes are incomprehensible, that's about government. That's about government failure, which we all have just extraordinary examples of all over the place for the last three years.

But don't you think most people get mobilized about loss of that cultural identity or potentially losing it forever? That's what kind of mobilizes people? I believe our culture is under attack purposely purposely i believe that a void has been created with the attack on christianity and islam has filled that void for many islam is strong in its principles and does not budge on its views whereas the now our churches are flying rainbow flags and encouraging transgenderism so i think that the weakness of what's happened to christianity or that there's certainly not christianity the church leaders, what it's become. But if I give you an example again, Drew, of growing up in Luton.

Now, in Luton, when Pakistan won the cricket in a school called Icknield High School, when we were younger, they had Pakistani flags and they all celebrated it. Now, when it's St. Lucian Day, they have a big festival. When it's Eid, massive festival. When it was St. George's Day, they have a big festival. When it's Eid, massive festival. When it was St. George's Day, our day to celebrate English identity, they sent letters home from the schools saying, if you bring in the emblem of St. George on this day, you'll be sent home from school. Now, what this does and purposely does is we're made to feel ashamed

of who we are and our identity. Many of these decisions aren't made by Muslims. Many of them. For example, I'll give another example. Six councils in the UK changed the name of Christmas in 2011, yeah. They called it Winter Festival and they called it Winter Illuminations, yeah, and they changed the name. They took the word Christ out of Christmas. Now, at that time, I was leading an organisation called the English Defence League. We were a pressure organisation. I wrote 360 letters to the councils of the UK and I warned them that if any council changed the name or took Christ out of Christmas, and the problem is Muslims don't care if we celebrate Christmas. These decisions are being made by Marxists, by leftists who despise our country and culture

and history. So when we sent these 360 letters, it went all over the news that we were blackmailing councils. And what I made them aware of is the average cost of an English Defence League demonstration to the police is approximately £500,000. Now that money comes out of your budget as a council. If you change the name of Christmas and take Christ out of it, we're coming to your city in our thousands, yeah? Not one single council that year took the word Christ out of Christmas. These decisions, so there's an array of problems here. These decisions are being made by leftists within government, yeah? But most people get frustrated then with the migrant community over certain decisions in

this way, yeah? So there's a whole different array of problems that are happening but the cultural shift we feel our culture and our identity and in fact we feel like aliens in our own towns and cities as i said the demographic growth forecast for my hometown when i looked in 2013 by 2030 the pakistani and bangladeshi community will increase by 70 to 77 percent this isn't a town that's already 50 percent Muslim the black and white community will increase by 1.2 to 1.3 percent the change in demographics is happening that quick that fast just by birth rate let alone our open border immigration policy now towns and cities are changing forever they will never be the same our culture is changing. We're losing the identity of Great Britain. When you think of Great Britain and

you think of London, it's changed already. It's probably unrecognisable if you come here. You'll struggle to find an English person. That's a problem. That is a big problem. We need to preserve our culture, preserve our identity. And as I said, the demographical change, which is simply coming from the Islamic community, again, it's coming from the Islamic community. It's not coming from other communities. It's a birthright. Again, a bunch more questions.

Just out of curiosity, how do the black and, let's say, Indian, Southeast Asian, Indian, and Asian folk, British folk, feel about all this? Are they as mobilized as you? Are they as attached to your culture as you are? They are. They are. Yeah, they are.

My mates are all black. They're English. They're English lads. They're English lads. Now, what we're seeing is a total smear. We've been smeared and attacked by the media as racist, as fascist. There's not a racist bone in my body. I have a problem with

a fascist Islamic ideology that I believe is masquerading as a religion in our country and causing mass problems. We have, Drew, we have 40,000 Muslims on the terror watch list. This isn't a joke. 40,000. 3,000 are monitored 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. It would cost them £9 billion.

We only have 80,000 members of our armed forces. We have a huge problem. So what are you staying with solution? What do you imagine the solution is? Well, the solution straightaway could be to deport. Again, if I just look in the last three hours, Drew. Aren't they legal immigrants? These are legal immigrants, right?

These are not illegal immigrants, correct? They hold dual nationalities. Many of them who are on watch lists will have dual nationalities. Again, if I look in the last few hours, in the last few hours, this is the problem with Great Britain. In the last few hours, we've just seen a migrant in the town of Wigan, a migrant from a hotel, because we're putting them all up in four-star hotels and feeding them every day, a migrant stabbing someone on the floor in that town centre. We've seen two Muslims in

Luton, my hometown, quoting the Quran whilst chasing and stabbing someone. We've seen two refugee asylum seekers go to court today after robbing a man of his Rolex and face no punishment. We've seen another asylum seeker attack a medical worker, an ambulance worker, and not even get punished because it would be unfair as they don't speak English. And right now, Drew, as we speak, thousands of Muslims are rioting in the city of Leeds. And our police are incapable of dealing with these problems. Now, these problems, and I say it to countries like America, your open border immigration policy that you've had under Biden, you have no idea what's coming. When I saw Americans complain about Mexican immigration, wait till you've got Somalian,

Pakistan, Afghani, Iraqi, an alien culture which is supremacist. Their ideology is supremacist towards the American people. That's what you've now imported. You'll see a whole new ballgame. And you know earlier, Drew, when you um the reasons the reason when we can never stop these crimes unless we understand why the men are doing it we'll never stop it unless we understand why they are doing it yeah and as i said you're not allowed to ask that question what if we can ask the question why are 90 percent of the convictions muslim men and why are 30 percent called muhammad i've done an in-depth study of

this i went through what the men say in the court cases. One Somalian said in Bristol, it was his religious duty to do this. Other Muslims literally quoted the Quran whilst raping young English girls. It says four times in the Quran that Muslims can take non-Muslim women as sexual slaves and take whatever their right arm possesses. These are the problems you're not allowed to discuss. Now, again, should we be discussing it with the demographical change to our country, the fact that refugees are coming into our country and committing acts of terrorism and rape on a weekly basis? Our women are being raped in every town and city across our country. And it's like an invading army's come in, and we're just all sitting there too scared to talk about it.

And, you know, let's be fair. The Old Testament has some extraordinarily violent injunctions as well. It's just, you know,'s be fair the old testament has some extraordinarily violent injunctions as well it's just you know people aren't doing it just because it's there well i'm serious but let me ask this i'm curious about this why um why is Why are the left not concerned about the feelings that many of the Muslim communities and nations have about homosexuality? I've never quite got that. Is it just denial? Is it a sense that it's just a peripheral group that does that? What's going on there, do you think?

Yeah, it's not just homosexuality. It's anti-Semitism. It's views on women. It's all these things that the left are supposed to champion. But what the left have done now is replace their vote base. And we've seen a big fallout recently in the recent election over Gaza, with the Muslim bloc vote has been taken away from the left and they fell out. We've just had five members of parliament elected who are pro-jihadists. We've had pro-jihadist MPs elected into parliament, five of them. Now, why does this happen? And I can only talk to you again about my hometown of Luton, where we've become a minority. The leader of our council, when we were protesting over issues in the town,

she literally leant over and said, there's not enough of you, and smiled. Now, the leader of the Council of Mosques does a deal with the Labour Party, so your Democrat Party. The leader of the local Council of Mosques, and there's now 45 of them, will sit down and do deals with our parliament. The Muslim community organise themselves in a military fashion when it comes to voting, in a military fashion. Whoever the leader of the mosques tells them to vote for, they will go out and vote. So they get concessions, they get advantages, and they are pandered to. for they will go out and vote so they get concessions they get

advantages and and they are pandered to and that comes as a block vote so in many towns and cities the white english working class community have simply been replaced and what we're seeing across europe is the is the host nations that whether it be the dutch whether it be the french they've been replaced but they've been replaced by people who happen to be reliant on the state we're not not happy to be reliant on the state. We want success. But they're replacing us with loyal vote bank. And actually, the Labour Party admitted this back in the 90s. Tony Blair said they opened up our borders to rub the right's noses. Now, that's exactly what Joe Biden is doing. Your borders have been opened. They want these people to be able to vote. Who are they going to vote for? They're not going to vote Republicans. They've imported 8 million votes, and they want to give them.

And the same is happening in the Republic of Ireland. None of this is a mistake. The entire West is being invaded. The entire West is being invaded. Let me talk about you for a second. Why were you arrested? I want to hear your history a little more. Why were you arrested in Canada?

So I landed in Canada. I was interviewed for three hours about my entrance there. I then went to, I stayed in Montreal. I met Gad Saad. Do you remember Raif Badawi? Do you remember Raif Badawi? Raif is the Saudi, he was imprisoned in Saudi. He spoke, he said Muslims, Christians, and Jews are equal. And for that, they tried to charge him with blasphemy and they sentenced him to 10 years and give him a thousand lashes. Now, when that happened to Rafe in 2011, I reached out to Rafe's family. Rafe had three children the same age as my children. So I kept in contact with his family. They were then given refugee status in Canada. These are the success stories, Drew. There are some success stories. So again, this family are

a wonderful family, a fabulous family. And I went to Canada to meet them. And I'll just give you, when I was 11 years old, the Bishop family in my road welcomed a Bosnian family. The Bosnian family come because their father was murdered. They're Muslim. A young boy, his sister and his mother. Now they've gone to my school. They've grown up. They're fabulous, contributed to our society. They're real refugees. Our borders borders are open not to real refugees these are young fighting age men that are invading our country so there's a lot of people to think i don't have sympathy or i don't have human nature for struggling people that need help but that's not what we're seeing the reason no this is the argument this is the argument going on in this country right now that you hear these same sorts

of observations and then 22 months in solitary what was that all about or 22 weeks i guess it was 32 weeks so i've been in the my most recent uh my most recent one was i there was a group so these muslim cases of rape of rape gangs they were walking into court i was reporting outside the court and as they walked in i said how do you feel about your verdict? This is no joke. How do you feel about your verdict? The judge, the police arrested me for a breach of the peace. I was then taken in before the judge, Judge Marston, and he sentenced me to 13 months in prison for contempt of court. Contempt of court in the UK has no jury. The judge can do what he wants. He sent me to prison for 13 months. He let the Muslim rapists go home. One of them got on a plane and flew to Pakistan.

He was more worried about me. 29 men in that case were convicted. What they've started doing is putting reporting restrictions to prevent people discussing these cases in the UK. So I got 13 months for that. I was then released on an appeal after 12 weeks. Once we got to court to appeal the legalities of what they'd done, we found out everything they'd done was unlawful. So I was freed from prison. I was freed from prison, but then I made a documentary called Panorama, Drew. I suggest anyone watches it. Panorama is the bbc's flagship investigative program because when i went to jail on this case 660 000 people signed a petition to have me released 30 000 people marched on parliament when i come out of custody my profile had gone through the roof i had the most engaged facebook

page in britain i had 1.2 million followers and if i I went live, it had a minimum of 30,000 people listening. They had tried and they'd smeared me and lied about me for so long. I was now bypassing their fake media and talking direct to people sitting in their houses about the problems in our towns and cities and waking them up. So Panorama were commissioned to do a documentary on me. I sent a girl undercover into Panorama. So I got a girl sitting down and I caught Panorama planning fake news. I got them on covert recording, telling people what to say in

an interview, sitting people down and saying, if you say this, this and this, we will put it in the documentary. Do we have a deal? I also got the head of Panorama, John Sweeney was his name, he lost his job over this, I got him making fake sexual allegations against me. They plan to paint me as Harvey Weinstein. This is the lengths the establishment's media go to, to destroy you if you start to actually be successful in challenging their lies and their narratives. Now, when Panorama come to meet me, to interview me for this documentary, I set a screen up behind me and I made my own documentary. And then as they sat me down with their producers, I asked them if they'd ever tell anyone what to say in an interview, because that's not real journalism. They said, no, I played the recording.

We also found out that they'd been working with a far left extremist organisation called Hope Not Hate. And Hope Not Hate had been blackmailing people. We got covert recordings proving all of this. Now, this is the BBC flagship show. The documentary they were doing on me was shelved, but all the accusations from Donald Trump, from Americans talking about fake news, I got every single bit of it on covert recording proving it. Do you know, here's where we understand the control or the corruption of the media. There was a journalist called Stephen Bird. He was a we understand the control or the corruption of the media. There was a journalist called Stephen Bird. He was a journalist for the Times newspaper. Now, when I led the English

Defence League, he was the person who unmasked my identity as the leader of that organisation. I kept in contact with him. When I had all these covert recordings, I called him up for a meeting and I gave them all to him. And he said, do you understand how big this is? Panorama is the flagship programme of the BBC that we fund with taxpayers' money. He said, this is massive. I said, I know, yeah. He's banged to rights. They're banged to rights.

Fake sexual allegations. Everything that we all hear about, I got it all on camera. He went to his executives. He come back and saw me and said, Tommy, Sir Jay, we're not allowed to report on it. I said, what do you mean you're not allowed to report it? When I produced that documentary, Drew, it had 2 million views in 24 hours. After 24 hours, I was deleted off of Facebook. My name was made a figure of hate. So even if you mentioned me on Facebook, they deleted you. I was deleted off of YouTube. I was deleted. I was made invisible after that documentary.

And not one single British journalist reported on what was in that documentary and not one single british journalist reported on what was in that documentary not one that is the absolute proof of an entire corrupt media and establishment controlled globalist corporate media because none of them reported on it so again you can watch that documentary everything that everything i'm saying is proven in it with covert recordings he lost his job they put john sweeney the head of the documentary, on gardening leave and after nine months, they cut him.

So, I've been through the mill with the meat. So, two things. Two things. I don't think I heard you say why you ended up in solitary,

number one. And number two, where can people watch that documentary? That's Panadramas. If you go on Urban Scoop, which is the company I work for, there's a link on there for documentaries and Panadrama's on there, or just search Panadrama. Obviously the show's called Panadrama. We called ours Panadrama. If you search that Panadrama,

Tommy Robinson, you'll come up with a video link. It's on Rumble. It's on Rumble. So you can go on there. I was in solitary because my life, my life, because of my activism, our prisons are like ISIS training camps, true. The level of radicalization and extremism. And I tried warning America of this. They are going to convert your black prisoners to Islam and they're going to turn them against the host nation because that's what we're having. 90% of the imams can't speak English. We've got Salafism and Wahhabism out of control in our prison system.

They're literally recruiting an army of the most hardened men in Britain and sending them out on the streets. I think MI5 said 800 a year of coming out radicalised. It's probably far more than that. But I spent time on solitary confinement. I've had different stints in prison for my activism or for my work.

I currently face a two-year prison sentence now for a film that I made. I made a documentary which, again, covertly recorded and proved total corruption of the media and counsel. And they gave me an injunction preventing anyone from seeing it. And for that now, I'm currently awaiting a court case for that film, which is mad. It's 2024. I hear you. I hear you. And I'm aware of some of the frustration and the extreme consequences you've suffered.

I still haven't heard why solitary. They put me on solitary. They forced me on solitary. So they put me on each time I go to jail. To protect you? To protect you? They say to protect me. So when I went to HMP Hull, which was for reporting outside this court case, HMP Hull has a 5% Muslim population, hardly any Muslims in the prison.

I was fine. After three weeks, they moved me to HMP Only, which is the biggest Muslim population of any prison in Britain. And then when I got there, they then said, you've got to go on solitary confinement. So then they locked me up for 23 and a half hours a day on my own, which is what they've done

every sentence since then. I went to, so for that case there, I was released after 12 weeks. After 12 weeks, they tried to recharge me. We went to the old Bailey, the head judge of the old Bailey,

read the case and threw it back to the government because this is the government. Then I produced Panadrama and 48 hours after Panadrama, they again, the attorney back to the government because this is the government and i produced panorama and 48 hours after panorama they they again the attorney general the government contacted my lawyers again and they took me back to court before they replaced the judge this is no joke they replaced the judge that refused to charge me with another female judge she charged me she sent me back to jail for the crime of contempt which was asking muslim

pedophiles how they felt about their verdict they sent me back to prison for a second time and they put me in maximum security belmarsh the most secure facility of prison in our country which houses the country's worst um worst terrorists i thought the only person i spoke to at my whole sentence in there was Julian Assange. And that's because I went into Belmarsh prison and left months later without seeing another person.

And they know that more than 28 days of solitary confinement is adverse for your mental health. But they didn't care. They purposely done that. As I said, I'm a thorn in their side. My journalism is a thorn in their side. The issues I bring we're on the fall in their side my journalism is a fall in their sight the issues i bring up are falling in their sight rather than deal with

the problems they they prefer to deal with the people talking about the problem okay so so tommy i i've got to wrap this up i appreciate you being here you you make me uncomfortable but that is my challenge in in protecting free speech i really believe that the most uncomfortable speech is the speech that we must protect. I'm mortified that you were taken down for merely expressing your experience. And then the lawfare is inexcusable, of course, but we're seeing lots of that these days. And the reality is, I think the tides are turning. I think people are able at least to say things now. And certainly we've sort of been all about that on this platform is letting

people talk that have been canceled or sidelined for whatever reason. But you do challenge me. You challenge me to my core. But I will defend your right to give your opinions and to express your experience as you wish. So wrapping up, we got to make it quick here. I'll give you last words. Last words. Open border immigration should challenge you, not me. The problems being imported into your country, the danger to your daughters is what should challenge everybody,

not me being truthful and honest about those problems. So I understand these are topics, they're sensitive topics, but the longer we hide from the reality of these problems, the bigger the problem is going to be for the next generation of children. I have a duty as an Englishman and as a father to hand down a safe and prosperous Britain

to my kids and the next generation. And we are failing miserably because our generation is a generation of cowards who are too scared to even talk about these issues. So I don't incite hate. I don't incite racism. I simply want England to be protected. I want a safe and prosperous future for my kids. And anyone who wants to follow my work, you can do so on my Twitter link there. We are about to hold the biggest rally on the 27th of July, the biggest rally of patriots that Britain has ever seen

in our capital city. There has been a turning point. There's been a turning point since Elon Musk gave us freedom of speech again, but there's been a turning, a total shift since October 7th with the general public. The general public are fully aware now our country is in danger, our identity is in danger and um it's about time that we we come together

and decided to do something about it so i'm grateful to have this discussion i understand they're difficult discussions for people to have but they they're needed conversations because for too long these issues have been swept under carpets and hidden um because of political correctness and because of cultural sensitivities and because of fear. Yeah, the lack of ability for the government to properly function is the most concerning part. July 27th, Trafalgar Square, is that correct?

July 27th, Trafalgar Square. Last time we had 900,000 people watching live on X. You'll be able to follow it. It's going to be a celebration of British culture and identity because we've been made to feel ashamed of it. We're going to celebrate it. We're going to be a celebration of British culture and identity because we've been made to feel ashamed of it. We're going to celebrate it. When you see London, it's going to be what London should look like. So, enjoy watching.

All right. Tommy Robinson, thank you so much for joining me. Cheers. Thank you. All right. We're going to take a little break here. Interesting. Challenging. Challenging. People on the rants and around the research,

why are you challenged? Please, why do you think I'm challenged, guys? Give me a break. These are difficult issues to talk about. I don't like blaming and judging. It's easy,

very easy to see government failure is at the core of where things are going off the rail completely. And lack of free speech, lack of ability to learn and hear about these things. That's the other thing that has to be defended completely. So Dr. Harvey Risch is in here in just a second.

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All right, so now we're going to bring my friend and scientist, and let me give you Harvey's particular, Professor Emeritus of Epidemiology at Yale. He provided testimony in the U.S. Senate regarding COVID-19 during the pandemic. He has spoken widely about the opposition to masking, vaccine mandates, and the reliability of PCR tests, amongst other things. You can follow Dr. Riesch at drharvieriesch, R-I-S-C-H. Harvey, welcome back to the program. There you are. Good to see you.

Great to be with you. So we were watching, we had a little clip of you from one of the last times you were here before the show rolls in, and you were commenting back then, it was two years ago, and you were talking about how people were not doing science and people are very confused about what science is uh and you said something during one of the twc board meetings we both sit on that medical board when you were you

were just made a casual comment you said in regards to something we were discussing simply the null hypothesis was non-confirmative and i thought that's what science is that's the experimentation tells us it's confirmatory or non-conformatory null hypothesis well as we know as scientists it's very difficult to prove the null hypothesis because theoretically you need an infinite amount of data to do so. What instead you show in most scientific studies is a range of possible conclusions that includes the null hypothesis as a likely candidate. And to the degree that you can make that range smaller and smaller, you make null or almost null the likely outcome. So, proving almost null is possible to do. Proving null is not.

And seeing how far that is from declaring, I am the science. That's just, you know, that was so nonsensical to me and bizarre that somebody who claims to be a scientist would ever make such a claim. I don't think Galileo did that. I don't think so either. And yet he suffered the consequences of many of us. Yeah, that's what I keep saying. Do you want to be on the side of the Spanish Inquisition

or do you want to be with Galileo in sort of pushing against what is the sort of communism? So, yes, yes? Tell us about this. Well, you broke up just there for a second, so could you repeat the question? I want to hear about the book. Oh, the book is great.

We just released our book called Toxic Shot, looking at various aspects of the COVID vaccines with a number of very high-level scientist authors talking about their specialties. And, you know, these shots were rapidly pushed out into the general use in the population without adequate testing, with theories for motivating them rather than real scientific evidence. And then they were obsessively represented as safe and effective when it wasn't even said what effective meant. That we know that these vaccines were, we were told as effective for preventing COVID-19. But in fact, preventing COVID-19 is not the issue

that we should have faced in management of the pandemic. Management of the pandemic was never, should never have been based on counts of cases. Counts of cases freak out the population and they may tell public health planners a little bit about what to aim for, but pandemics are managed on the basis of what the infection does, mainly hospitalizations and mortality. Those are the main things that have to be addressed in pandemics, not number of cases. And we knew pretty quickly

that the cases that occurred were largely transient for almost everybody except for high-risk people, people over age 65 or 70 or 75 with chronic conditions like obesity, diabetes, cardiovascular disease, chronic kidney disease, histories of cancer, immunocompromised, and so on. So we knew where to focus our efforts, not on everybody. Then the claim was, if you don't get vaccinated, you'll put grandma at risk. That was a claim of transmission for which there was never any evidence that the vaccines prevented transmission. The vaccines, in fact, were never approved for that. In the EUA, the emergency use authorization approvals that the FDA approved,

it received only data on preventing infections in the people in the randomized trials, meaning the people who took the vaccines and their risk of infection. That says nothing about their ability to transmit the infection to others. There never was any data about that. And so those EUAs only approved giving the vaccines for people who want to try to attempt to reduce their own risks of serious adverse outcomes. They were never approved for the purpose of reducing transmission. And as we learned pretty quickly in 2021, the vaccines failed to reduce transmission. After about the midpoint of 2021, there was substantial evidence from the FDA, from the CDC itself, cataloging all the breakthrough infections and showing that the vaccines did not prevent the substantial transmission of the infection from an infected person to an uninfected person.

And this was happening right and left, and everybody knew it or should have known it. The CDC director on August 6th of 2021, Dr. Walensky, came out and said, what the vaccines can't do anymore is prevent transmission. There was a statement of failure. And that statement of failure was compounded by the CDC releasing data from last fall, showing that by that point, 87% of Americans had already had COVID. So everything we did to prevent the spread of COVID failed. And, you know, why did we subject people to this enormous movement to get everybody to be vaccinated against their own personal interests or personal decisions when the vaccines were failing to do what was purported to do that wasn't even approved by the FDA in the first place? You could literally say the same thing about masking and lockdowns and school closures. None of those have

any evidence basis to them, and they hurt people against the interest of the individuals. And I was talking to Dr. Joseph Freeman yesterday about the original study that Pfizer submitted to the FDA, and they didn't even have hospitalization as an endpoint. I mean, that should have been the endpoint of their study, and it was not in the studies. The book, I've looked at it. It is exceptional. It is encyclopedic. It is vast in its scope, but it's actually easy to read.

As vast as it is, it's not impossible to get through, and it's not thousands of pages. It just really answers every question with very smart people ringing in. I wonder, did you notice recently Dr. Redfield seemed to be making more sense and saying things that were at least clinically, observationally correct and not clinging to whatever the lexicon was that they were required to pair during the pandemic? Well, it did seem he was backtracking a bit. You could compare his recent statements to ones he made during the early parts of the pandemic. And one of the things that is difficult to know is

I don't think any of those people were in charge. I think those people were puppets of the National Security Council, the defense administration at the top that was charged with running the pandemic. About a week after the pandemic emergency was declared, management was given to the National Security Council. And that militarized the whole thing

and put them in charge. That's interesting. I feel like that's an evolution in your understanding of what happened to us. Is that true, or have you always believed that? I think it took time for all of this to come out. We've known this for a couple years now, but we didn't know it at the beginning to speak of. We knew it theoretically, but we didn't know what that meant at the beginning. And what it meant is that they flipped public health backwards.

So the ideas of respiratory pandemic management were well laid out by Tom Inglesby and Don Henderson, the leaders in public health respiratory influenza virus management, in a paper in 2006 saying that lockdowns don't work uh closing airports you know when flights in doesn't work that what you do is when people get symptomatic you send them home you let them recover then they come back to work come back to society that's what you do that's how you manage it and we did the exact opposite we locked down everybody and that did nothing except economic dislocation large economic dislocations and so on and all the school children damage that we did from that and so on we did all sorts of things that were unscientific that had plausibility as how they got through and fear as how they got through into into practice but no scientific evidence supporting them whatsoever.

I also feel like public health has strangely become some sort of ideological political instrument. I forget the fact that the government has used public health. I think public health itself is morphed into seeing itself as something completely different than how it was intended. Well, I think public health has gone the way of journalism schools, that largely the MPH students apply because they see public health as a tool for medicalizing political problems. So if poverty is not a political problem but a medical problem,

then public health tools, then the tyranny of public health tools could be brought to bear to, quote, solve that political problem. You mentioned tyranny, and I can't help but bring up the Salut Public, which was Robespierre's committee that perpetrated the terror on the French people for several months. All the heads chopped off. Salut Public means public health. The Committee for Public Health was Robespierre's committee. Harvey, tell me who should get the book. I think the book is aimed at two overlapping

audiences. It's aimed at lay people who are asking questions, who want to read up on different topics, various topics that they're interested in about the failure of the vaccine process. And it's aimed also at a technical level at scientists and doctors who have kind of been afraid to address this for fear of what they might find out that that's what's been inflicted on the population. So there is technical depth in the book, but we also tried to make it accessible at lay levels so that inquiring readers can read through things. And if there's something they don't understand and there's, you know, dozens of pages of footnotes for each chapter, if those don't help, then just Google the terms and

figure out, you know, an inquiring person can do this pretty well. So I think the book covers a very wide audience. Yeah, I completely agree with you the the the just go through the table of contents if you want to understand the sweep of it and how targeted and specific you can get into topics uh again with great experts ringing in harvey i appreciate you coming by and uh bringing us the book and as always your wisdom is deeply deeply appreciated uh you can follow har, as I said, at drharveyrisch, R-I-S-H, I'm going to remember that now.

I apologize for all the years, the months of Risch, or years now, I guess, of Risch, but Risch it is. And you and I will talk soon, no doubt. Great to talk with you. You as well. Toxic Shot, everybody.

Great neighbor for a book. So we're going to switch gears yet again. susan i wonder if you could bring me that shirt that's lying on the table on the chair right here to my right um dan for say author filmmaker business executive uh seven time member of the u.s women's national team uh gymnastics 1986 usa gymnastics national championship Team Gymnastics 1986 USA Gymnastics National Championship. She produced the 2020 Emmy Award-winning documentary, Athlete A. She can be followed on X at Jennifer Say, S-E-Y, and sayeverything.com.

And she has some new, oh, there's Jennifer in my picture. Where is the camera? It's over this way. Yeah, this is some of her new logo. Here we go. We have so many cameras in this room now, I can't figure out what's what. Jennifer, so great to meet you in person.

Awesome to meet you. Welcome. Oh, her mic's not on. Wrong mic, I'm sorry. Let's do that again. Is that on? No, she's still not on. Should I do it?

There is another mic down here. Try maybe this one. We're so fancy in here. We can't help. That's it, I think. Right, Susan? Is that it? Is that better? That's it.

That's it. Okay. Do you need me to move this one? Yeah. Just push it quietly out of the screen. That's hysterical. We brought her in. I'm going to just put it down.

On the table. I like this. We're a professional organization here, Jennifer. I love it. It's like my office. We haven't had a lot of people in studio, but when we do, it ends up working very, very well for us. We like it. Take the shit off the table.

Shirt. The shirt. Well, the shirt I want to use and plug some more so tell me about the new brand uh we launched march 25th so just a couple months ago i can't remember if i've been on talking to you about it yet i think so that's how we ended up getting the um yeah goods um so yeah it's just been a couple months three and a half months it's going really well we are the only athletic brand to stand up for women's sports and spaces and female athletes. We like to say we're the only athletic brand that knows what a woman is.

People are leaning in. We've had some challenges. We've been banned from a few platforms. TikTok banned our ad called Stand Up, which is really an exhortation to women and girls to just stand up for themselves, to stand up for their deserved privacy, safety, and fairness. That was deemed band-worthy by TikTok. And on my way here to see you, the same ad was just banned from Instagram. So tell people your story again over at Levi's and what happened, just briefly. I know it's a longer story, but for those that may not know you, didn't see your last appearance here yeah um i mean i have

you you mentioned i spent my childhood as an elite athlete um so that's relevant to having wanted to start this brand as well i was a 1986 national champion um it's a sport that is rife with abuse which the world now knows i was the first i think athlete former gymnast to actually speak out about that in 2008 um simultaneouslyultaneously, I started working in fashion in the mid-90s, and I ended up at Levi's in 1999. I worked my way all the way up the ladder. I started as an entry-level marketing assistant. I worked up to chief marketing officer for eight years, helped the brand go public, and then became the brand president in 2020. I was very outspoken about school closures. So literally, brand president is of one of the iconic brands in this country, right?

That's a major, significant job. It's a big job. And it was a real blessing. I mean, I was so grateful. I love the brand. I wear it still. I have probably 100 pairs of 501s in my closet. I think they're the best jeans on earth. I really do. I tell the story often. In 19, gosh, am I going to get the year right? I'm old now.

1986, I went to the Goodwill Games in Moscow. The very first Goodwill Games, which is like a rogue-style Olympic competition. I remember the athletes brought Levi's with them because they all wanted Levi's. I tell this story. It was in Moscow, obviously, before the wall came down in 1986. Were you the one spearheading that? Because I remember it was kind of a news story. I've told this story a lot. No, no.

I remember in real time. Oh, interesting. I remember when it happened that we were all like, oh, my God, they can't get Levi's in Russia. They cannot get Levi's, and they wanted them. And we wanted to trade with the Russian athletes. They were the best gymnasts in the world at the time by a long shot a long shot the same way the u.s is the best now they were that much better than everyone else so we wanted leotards and pins and sweatsuits and tracksuits so i brought 501s i got like tiny 501s at macy's with my mom in jail new jersey and i traded for

all the stuff like i just tell the story to say what this brand kind of meant to me, you know? Just out of curiosity, how did you navigate the language barrier? How old are you, like 17 or something? I was about 16 or 17. I mean, you didn't, how do you just motion? I don't know, how do you ever do it, you know? But it was amazing to be there in Moscow and see it.

I mean, it is a beautiful city, but it was very strange and eerie at the same time. But it was an amazing experience. So I have a longstanding relationship with the brand. I was very grateful to get the chance to work there in 1999. I stayed for 23 years, which in this day and age is unheard of. But I love the brand. I love the culture.

And as I moved up the ladder, I had the chance to shape the culture. In 2020, I was very outspoken about the school closures and ultimately ended up having to leave San Francisco, which I'd lived in for about 33 years. What happened? It was just completely inhospitable. I mean, people were screaming at me on the streets. A woman came up to me.

I was at the beach with my three-year-old daughter. The beach. Like, no one is there. And this woman came up in my face and she screamed at me i won't be sad when your children die because apparently i deserve to have dead children because i was not wearing a mask at the beach so this it really is interesting right now because i've been thinking a lot about those people i have. And what in the world are they thinking now? Are they still wearing masks in their car when they drive by themselves? Are they astonished at their behavior?

Are they humiliated? Are they disgusted? I'm disgusted. Well, I was disgusted in real time, of course. I mean, another story, and I'll tell you what I think they think. We were at the park, me and my family, my four children, large family for San Francisco. You were only allowed to be outside with one household. You probably had something similar here. And so someone called the police on us because they assumed we couldn't be one family. Fiddler Youth, everybody.

Who are you? Give me the camera i need this camera susan i need this camera for a second you need if you did anything like that during the pandemic you need to be honest with yourself and really search your soul that that you would be the person telling the fan telling on the family that had ann frank in the in the in the attic you would be that person. That's what you did. And you need to be honest with yourself that that's who you were. I understand you were scared. I understand you didn't know. But think about how much you were indoctrinated by these disgusting images and discussing over-the-top government and media overreaches. You are vulnerable. And you

should check yourself and understand that about yourself. I hope you weren't in the hypnotized, well, you must be in that hypnotized 20%. Those of you in the 70% that didn't stand up and just wanted to keep your head down and get through, also examine yourself. You could do better next time. Sorry, that's my public service announcement. This is what my husband and I talk about quite a bit. Well, first of all, I think the people like the woman that yelled at me on the beach. I don't think she's doing any introspection. I think she's still dug in. You know, the agreement, the unanimous agreement at this point is public school closures for 18 plus months was a terrible, catastrophic decision, harmful as well as ineffective.

The vast majority of people didn't protect students didn't protect teachers and harmed really harmed 8 to 15 year olds and i could i kept i you can find videos of me from right at like four months into the closure going 8 to 15 year olds they're not going to recover and i and public service again give me the camera again susan sorry camera sorry sorry sorry um there we go oh is caleb doing that oh sorry that's like your part of my fault i get i gotta search my soul i do the teleprompter okay got it um but uh what was that who was i going to talk to uh shit soul searching soul searching closures four months you were outspoken i I don't know, I'm trying to give you a tip here. Yeah, it's everything we were talking about,

but it was not the group that, oh, well. I think there's- Aging, you said you're old. How about having this brain? It's not fun. It happens. You're not going through menopause. But yeah, I think that there is this percentage,

I don't know what it is, 10, 15, 20% of the population that will stay there forever. They get hypnotized. They will not get unhypnotized. Yeah, but no, they can be unhyp, 15, 20% of the population that will stay there forever. They get hypnotized. And they will not get unhypnotized. Yeah, but no, they can be unhypnotized, but there has to be some sort of movement that equally sort of hypnotizes them. They're still in it though. I mean, I still get it on social, et cetera. I still get horrible messages, even voicemails from people about being a Nazi and a murderer for wanting the

schools. It doesn't even make any sense. So I think there's a portion that is not there yet. I think the reachable people are the 60, 70% that were quiet. Yeah. Some questions. There's already 10, 20% that were throwing the BS flag at the beginning. Yeah.

That was me and my husband. Yeah. It felt very lonely. Actually not at the beginning. Be fair. It took me a few months to come around. Yeah. We were outraged from the beginning.

I don't know. I don't know why months to come around. Yeah. We were outraged from the beginning. I don't know. I don't know why, but we were, um, Ooh, there's your, uh, there's your new brand.

There it is. Yeah, there it is. Those people do need to do some introspection, even if they, I think it's really important that if you, in the beginning, we're all in,

but fairly quickly, we're not to go. Why was I afraid in the beginning? Why was I convinced that these egregiously illiberal acts were okay? I mean, I've been caught up in things before. Well, let's have that conversation. So under what circumstance would it be okay, and never is an appropriate answer, under what circumstances would it be okay

for the government to abridge our basic civil liberties? Never. That's my opinion. And I think never is a viable response. Only because, you know what I'm going to say, but only because if you set a bar or a line that says in these instances it's okay, when it's misinformation, when it's...

You know what? You know what? You're right. Because I am that guy that always gives government a little wiggle room. I was the one when the Patriot Act came out and I was like, what do I have nothing to hide? What's the big deal? It's fine.

So they need some more power. They're not going to help us. Nope, I was wrong. They always abuse the power when you give it to them. And so if we say they can ever abridge civil liberties, we're making a big mistake you're absolutely correct so how do we deal with severe like let's say there's something coming at us where we need to organize as a country what do we do we just get everyone on the positive side of that and just say hey we need your help or do we police it in some way

that's what was so difficult during covid is you weren't even allowed out of your home how do you organize you were censored but that was the shelter in place was your obligation which was just just and you know lonely and fearful and angry and you couldn't um you couldn't organize you couldn't take to the streets i mean we tried my husband and I tried to do open schools rallies in the summer of 2020 and the posts were taken down. How do you tell people if you can't, you know, get them on social media?

So they, and that was all by design, I believe. That was all by design. So I'm an absolutist. It's never okay. You know, if you, if we'd had this conversation

four years ago, I would have been sort of confused slash incredulous. Now I'm 90% in agreement. Yeah. I mean, just based on what happened during that time, I can never go back. It's always a liberal. And you know what?

If it is that dire, people will stay home and they will get the vaccine that didn't work. When did we talk to Dr. Brill Brilliant, Susan, the smallpox expert? Was that before COVID or early? It was like probably 2021, maybe. So it was during COVID. No, or was that a Michelle thing? It was a Michelle thing. So it was early.

Was it during COVID, you think? No. Okay, so before COVID. I spoke to a smallpox expert, and I was asking about, I don't think I had the word lockdown in my lexicon. Who did? Well, because it was not a medical thing. And he said, you don't have to tell people anything. When they're in real danger, they do it automatically.

They distance, they pull away, and they go inside. And that's the way it is. And so here's how we should do it, that we should have organizations that we trust. I used to trust the CDC. That's who I would go to for advisory information. That's how it worked throughout my career. But they suddenly became the say it the Lord,

telling you how to act, which they never were. And even all the pandemic planning this government had, they were not that. They threw that out and just claimed the high ground. But which, again, we should think about if we're going to follow any sort of advisory agency, that we also limit what they can do in an emergency. But they tell us what to do, and if we trust them, we do it. And they give us the evidence for why they do that. Yeah, I would like them to be severely limited in their power and authority.

And I would like to go back to the days when I ignored what they told me. Like, you can't eat this kind of cheese or sushi when you're pregnant. And you can't drink if you're a woman between the ages of 14 and 45. Or you can't eat raw, not raw, but rare hamburger. I mean, that's all been up there on their website for eons. Food pyramid. And we all ignored it. Food pyramid, everybody.

I want to go back to ignoring them. Okay, okay. That's what I would like. If you want to know how shitty their advice can be, look at the food pyramids. Somebody over at Twitch is asking me, who is Dr. Brilliant? His name is Dr. Lawrence or Larry Brilliant.

He's a small, yeah, Larry Brilliant. He's a smallpox expert. And we were just talking about smallpox outbreaks. So anyway, yeah, after being chased out of San Francisco, it was only a matter of time really until I would resign from Levi's. And I spent a year and a half trying to figure out what I was going to do next. And I was interviewing at big corporate jobs and being told I needed to apologize for the things I'd done and said and I said no why would I do that I was right even if I wasn't right I don't think I should have to apologize because my whole point the whole time is there needs to be a discussion about this is there harm being caused is it effective but that was unacceptable and

consensus was manufactured by silencing any dissenters of course so i decided i was going to have to start my own thing not what i wanted to do necessarily at 55 um you know i thought i'd maybe retire soon after one more big job but um i decided to start my own brand that combines my athletic background my fashion experience and voila xxXY Athletics. So you can follow the XXXY on X at XX underscore. Underscore. XY Athletics. Support her there. XX-XYAthletics.com.

SayEverythingthing.com. What's on SayEverything.com these days? That's like my writing and my stuff. Go to the brand website. That's better. Do you find it odd that you've been cast in this position at your present age after the career you've had? Or have you always been unable to not say certain things when it's required? No, I was a gymnast.

You were silent. You were seen but not heard. Obedience was drilled into us. If you weren't quiet and obedient, you didn't get picked for the team so it took me a long time to kind of find my voice and i think i found it not until i was like in my late 30s and i wrote my first book called chalked up where i talked about the abuse in the sport the emotional physical and sexual abuse in the sport but that's that really to me sounds like the through line to where you knew better than to stay shut up yeah and you learn not to shut up and and protecting children you know i look back on the time and why did i write the book and i think i was a i didn't know

what would happen you sit in your room quietly writing a book you're not really sure how the world is going to receive it i wasn't even sure i'd get it published i was an executive not a writer um and then it came out and they came for me, the Olympic movement, the USOPC, USA Gymnastics. They just dragged me through the mud. It was early days of social media. I did not know what that was going to be like or what to expect. What year was that? 2008. Oh, so there was social media then? There was, but it was like Facebook, basically.

Or even MySpace. like facebook yeah basically or even myspace maybe yeah i never did that one and i just realized the more they vilified me that there was something even bigger probably that they were hiding and i just felt like i don't want another child to go through this and then you kind of get used to it you know you do isn't that weird how you get used to the negative stuff? It sort of goes under the category of getting a thick skin, but it's more than that because it's so persistent and profound and horrible. It's sort of like humans can get used to anything, and you can even get used to the stuff pouring down on you. And my skin's not that thick.

I mean, my feelings get hurt. You can't not get hurt by it yeah my husband's pretty good at it but you still get used to getting hurt yeah sort of like all right he just doesn't care my husband doesn't care what anyone thinks of him he's like this is what i think i mean he cares what i think and that's about it but you know i got used to it but i i have to say you know with the gymnastics it was horrible within my sport community the outer world was listening now it would take another eight years until the case of larry nasser was exposed and then you know really um the the

gymnastics world and the olympic movement had to sort of embark upon a reckoning but covid was different because it was the world there was no one it felt very lonely to speak out and you know thank goodness my husband and I were on the same team. You hear about couples that weren't. I don't even know how you go through that. That'd be weird. But again, I started in the beginning just asking questions like, what if this maybe isn't the right thing? It seems like the median age of death is quite high. Maybe we don't need to lock children at home. And I was always very diplomatic and polite and cited data, even though I'm not a doctor.

And the more people pushed back at me, the more I was determined to keep asking questions. So I don't know what it is. And now I just don't care. I think once you've been canceled a few times, you're uncancelable. So I might as well just do my thing. Lean into it. Yeah. It's worth noting.

Susan, thank you for being of like mind. Even though we didn't exactly agree on things we were sort of we sort of we're sort of following each other through the path i think weren't we or were you harboring been canceled several times yes yes you're harboring ill will quietly harboring concerns i was very supportive uh kayla were you trying to say something uh no that wasn't me. Ah, not you. So we appreciate you coming into the studio. I know you're in town for various things,

and this is great to have you here. What else do you want people to know? I want to give you a chance to have at it in our studio here. Well, I mean, the first thing I want people to know is we make amazing product. Like, this is not a gimmick. By the way, you can see that in the ads. Go ahead and put the stuff up there again, caleb if you could you can see the quality not not that one so much but the one with the shorts and all it's just like oh yeah these are

great this this you can tell the quality right there yeah i mean i'm not in this as a gimmick no well you know the difference and i know the difference i want to build a brand for the long term you know as evidence of how great the fit and the quality is our returns are like minusccule. So that says to me, people love the product. So that's the first thing. If you try it, you're going to like it. It's incredible workout product, incredible casual sweats, all that kind of stuff. There's amazing t-shirts. My t-shirt is just a fun one. Just say it. And 70% of Americans agree with us that women's sports should be for women. So lean in, have the hard conversations, wear the T-shirt, go to the soccer game. Every time I wear that logo tee that you, people lean into me on the weekends and they say, I agree with you.

But they whisper it. They say, I agree with you. And I say, then stand up. You need to stand up. They'll get there. It's ridiculous, though, that our message is banned when 70% of Americans agree with us, and it's just common sense. There we are. I do have it sideways.

Where's the top? Yeah, I was like, what gender is that? Even the T-shirts are very high quality. Yeah, these are nice. Show them the black thing. Oh, you want me to do a little? Well, here's a workout tee for you. Drew, this is very soft.

It's moisture wicking. Oh, that is beautiful. Here's some leggings for Susan. Very soft. I'm going to ask a crazy question. I love green. Very flattering. This is such high quality.

Do other companies buy your stuff from you once you, you know what I mean? This is like high quality. Do other companies buy your stuff from you once you, you know what I mean? This is like a specific thing. Oh, yeah, you're going to like that. This is very beautiful. Black zip up is amazing. Let's see. And this is for Susan? Yeah.

Yeah, she has nice women's stuff. This came out just today, so you're actually the first other than employees. Oh, my gosh, look at this. I dig it. It's really soft. Thank you. So this is a soft sort of a – give me the camera again if you could, Caleb. It is sort of a collared zip-up.

Where do we buy this? No, it's a pullover sort of sweatshirt, but you can wear this out and about. You can wear it if you have a casual workplace. Certainly a good – my team laughs at me when I call it a layering piece, but if you work in fashion a long time, that's what it is. You could wear it if you were outside running or walking. For sure. Here's our little, I don't know where the camera is.

You hold it up in front of you. Okay. Olympic collection. Well, it's not the games. Get ready for the games. Team women is what uh we're supporting interesting team women that's been doing well so let's talk about that and then where do we find it by the way i don't know off the top of my head you know what here's a fun little url the truth

fits.com that's where you go so the the topic is is challenging to talk about because if you misstep, you're considered somebody that doesn't support. What do they do? What do they? Well, I actually think the NAIA, their solution is a good one. What's the NAIA? The NAIA, I'm going to not know what it actually stands for, but it's a governing body for collegiate athletics club sports. So it's below the NCAA. Club sports, intramurals, some of the D3 schools are in NAIA.

They made a decision, a pronouncement, a couple of months ago that said women's sports are for biological women only. You have to have been born a woman. There's no if, then. there's no if you started but you know just women the men's category open anyone can compete in the men's category now the other option is the third category that's open so you can have men's and a third side of the story a few sports have tried it and no one wanted to compete in it and this is where i start to get a little more angry about it because for a biologically male swimmer leah thomas does is rejecting that category that means that leah is using women's sports to validate his identity that's not what women's sports is for but well that's an

interesting observation because i think that's exactly what activists would say she's doing and should do right and that we are obligated as women to validate right and i am not so that's really where the rubber hits the road are you obligated so far as to destroy this thing that we were i thought cherishing and protecting which is women's competition title nine yeah it it is is is the problem that people well clearly that nai nai it's called yes clearly they were willing to have a tough conversation who are the where are those people they should stand up and they have um that it's the i don't want to criticize it and it's the least influential governing no i get that but they but they seem to have come really interested they seem to have

had the question at least how do they do it how do that? They did. How could other people do that? Yeah, and I think that they cited the safety concerns. Well, that's the big issue, right? That is what I think. That's where it starts. I think that is a big issue. I think safety is a huge issue, but I think fairness is as well. The fact is, if male-bodied athletes who identify as women can compete in women's sports. And we know that number is accelerating by the day.

Why would women want to continue to compete? It's not a fair playing field. I lost all the time in gymnastics. I lost constantly. You lose more than you win. But it was a fair fight. Yeah. Yeah.

No, I think that's what scares me is going to happen. It's going to destroy women's sports. Me too. I mean, there will be certain women's sports, like gymnastics will probably survive. I used to think that. But I found recently, I went into an Instagram rabbit hole, and there are males competing in NAIA and women's gymnastics.

And given the changes in the sport, it's not about grace anymore. It's about power and strength and tricks and how hard you can, you know, the hardest trick you can do. Men are going to be better than women. They will. So I've changed my mind on that too. Will there be any women's sports left affected? How about figure skating?

Have they gotten in there yet? I'm sure. No. I don't know. Because you have to be so tiny and like. But no i don't know that's because you have to be so tiny and like but it's but but to jennifer's point it's the same issue in figure skating which they've taken away the artistry and brought in they could do a triple axel right exactly win the whole thing yeah i mean the the male that i saw and he wasn't even claiming to be female he

was just competing in women's gymnastics on instagram and he i mean the ease was he making a point or was he no he was just like i want to do women's gymnastics on Instagram. And he, I mean, the ease with which- Was he making a point or was he- No, he was just like, I want to do women's gymnastics. Well, you don't get to, you have men's gymnastics. You don't get to, I'm sorry. I want to be five foot nine. I want to be a top model, right? I don't get to, I would like to be 20 years younger. I don't get to. So that's my fear because I was a beneficiary of title nine i started gymnastics two years after title nine became law i enjoyed so many benefits from that and i think in my adult life my discipline my resilience all of those things came from sports and people say

oh it's just a few uh trans identified male athletes know what? There's been over 600 medals, awards, team births taken from women. 600, interesting. In just the last few years. Oh, you got 15% off on your clothing line, someone says. Is that true? If you sign up for email,

you get 15% off the first order, yes. There you go. Thank you, those of you on Restream that are following up. Yeah, go shop. Supporting Jennifer. Support band brands. Yeah, it's good quality.

I checked it out. Yeah, and I just support banned brands. If you care about free speech, if you care about open exchange of ideas, weigh in. Tell people. And you're going to get great product, too. I buy banned books. I support banned brands. It's the way to go.

We support banned people, too. Banned people also, yes also yes yeah you ban people you know uh well we support trans too but yeah we're just we're having a discussion here so well i know it's important see i don't think everybody has an opinion it's true and i don't think standing up for women and girls is anti-trans no it's not well that's why that's look look that's precisely why we have to have these conversations so we can navigate these things and support people who identify as women who are not born in that body or the other way around they just are better transforming to a woman or this is about the this is about the maybe we need a different word than fairness

i'm wondering if there's another word. Everyone deserves empathy and kindness. Everyone deserves to be treated fairly. No one should be hurt for who they are. No, of course not. But there is a reason. The physical differences between men and women are enduring. Do you know who said that?

Ruth Bader Ginsburg. There's a reason Title IX exists. And women compete in sports, i think it's a thousand fold since title nine was implemented i'm not willing to go backwards on that there's a way for everybody to participate and everybody to be respected but i'm not going to back down and standing up for women because let's face it a bunch of males are telling me i have to in any other guys this would be considered misogyny. What about a trans sport segment?

Like if we could just tell. Well, that's what she said, the third category, right? That should be that third category the NAIA was trying to promote. Well, they just do two, and they say the men's category is open. No, but I thought you said they also said you could create a third category. No, some sports have tried and no one participated. I see. Well, they're such a small segment of the population

that it's hard probably to field a team. I think that's true. I feel like it's not really my job to come up with a solution. No, no, no, no. Oh, and you're fighting for women to have the opportunity to have a fair fight. But you have climbed into this topic. I have, yeah. Women deserve the opportunity to compete a fair fight but you've climbed into this topic i have yeah i just women deserve the opportunity to compete to make the team and they actually deserve the chance to

win yeah yeah i agree with that well it's such a touchy subject i'm this whole show we've had a couple of touchy subjects today yeah it has me overwhelmed yeah what am i gonna yeah i i just figured when it went you know i was talking with a friend and came up with the idea together for this brand, and I thought, why the hell not? At this point, I've already touched every third rail you can touch. Let's bring Harvey back and be nerdy again. At the very least, it forces this conversation. I would avoid it otherwise. Because I don't want to hurt anybody, and I'm not a woman, I would avoid it otherwise. And you're, and it's,

because I don't want to hurt anybody. And I don't, I'm not a woman. I'm not an athlete. But by the same token, I would fall into that 70% of just keeping his head down and just want to, you know,

let this thing work itself out, which is exactly what both of us have said we cannot do anymore. None of us can do that anymore. Yeah. And for me, what this issue represents, because it is about women in sports and protecting sports

and spaces and women's shelters and prisons for women so they have safe spaces, they deserve that. But it's also about the truth. And I really can't think of an issue that is more fundamental that we all have known since the beginning of time than that male and female bodies are different. And if we are compelled to lie and say they're not they're the same you can be you know if you're a man and you want to compete

in women's sports because you say you're a woman that's sufficient and in some school districts that is sufficient you don't even no transitioning needs to happen you just say it that is a lie so that's why it kind of it gets me agitated because i'm not gonna further a lie. So that's why it gets me agitated, because I'm not going to further a lie. It's interesting to me that your instincts are about protecting children, and that quickly goes over to protecting women. Those are the same for you, right? Sort of? They come together, I think.

And I had the same sort of thing with Naomi Wolf. I always saw her as somebody protecting women. And I asked her, I go, how'd you get on? Now you're going down a really interesting path. This is different. She goes, no, this is the same. It's the same. I've been a freedom fighter for women. And freedom has always been top of mind. And I didn't see that in her writings early on. I'm wondering if there's a, again, for you, much like freedom was the subtext for Naomi, is there a subtext for you in these instincts? I think, you know, I always, people ask me why COVID in particular and open schools was a hill you were willing to die on. And I tell

them if free speech and children are not hills you're willing to die on, I don't believe you have a hill and you have no principles at all. i guess it's that free speech and the free speech and children yeah because children are the most vulnerable among us they can't vote they they will try to please you they will do terrible things that harm themselves to try to please the adults all around them it would frustrate me so much when i would hear parents saying he loves the mask he loves staying home all the time oh yeah he's four yeah and those awful videos of the parents you know and the preschool teachers oh on airplanes they would kick the kids off the plane and the parents would be yelling and try to get a three-year-old to keep a mask i mean as a 14 year old training

in gymnastics the things i was willing to do that my coaches were for i mean i trained on a broken ankle for two years you know subsisted on a 300-calorie-a-day diet. I didn't complain. You're trying to please your adult keepers. Yeah, and I spent a lot more time with my coaches. They were keepers than my parents. I spent eight hours a day with these coaches. So children and free speech.

And the reason the free speech part matters is because we cannot ever get to truth. We cannot ever learn. And we can get into trouble and thereby children become vulnerable. Absolutely. I mean, there is a connection there. I see it. I get what you're saying. And when truth is what the government says it is, we no longer live in a democracy.

We live in, we are through the looking glass of that but we are in alice in wonderland man it's it's it's this whole experience to me remains mind-blowing and my friend uh kat tempf who um is on gutfeld regulation she one night on the show we were watching her and and she goes you know some of us have not gotten over covet i thought that's me i've not gotten over this i'm just not gotten over it not not the not the illness me. I've not gotten over this. I've just not gotten over it. Not the illness, not the virus, nothing. No. What the government did, what happened,

what scientists did, what my peers did, I can't get over it. I don't think I ever will. I can't imagine. I don't think I'll ever get over it either. I will always be on guard. And unless there was a global mea culpa, the powers that be were to say, we were wrong. And we will never let this happen again.

And here's how that's ever going to happen. And that will never happen. And the media who was complicit in all this. But I can't really imagine. Or they're complicit. My neighbors, I could never forgive them. The friends who have abandoned me for 30 years because I said these things

while sending their own children to private school. But I can't imagine what it'd feel like to be a doctor and see your peers. It was bewildering, astonishing. And I was immediately trying to make sense of it. And the two things that jumped out at me early were, oh my God, they're all employed now. They're all employees.

70% of doctors are employees and they're afraid they're going to lose their job. And that was the first thing I saw. The other thing was the consequence of things that were starting early in my career. They were called clinical pathways.

The hospital started putting these clinical pathways into place, which were things that doctors were supposed to follow, didn't have to do, but just recommendations. Oh no, now those are thus saith the Lord. They're part of the electronic record.

And these people can't think for themselves. And they are fully indoctrinated in this centralized authority system. And that is not good medicine. No, the worst. And it seemed to me, what made it clear to me, and I have several doctors in my family, my dad included. He's retired now. But that there isn't much thinking around those pathways or required plans and we're seeing

that now with you know trans ideology you talked earlier about um how ideological the cdc for instance has become but so is the american academy of pediatrics so has the whatever the psych association is it's completely captured look at the opiate epidemic it was the exact same playbook it is but what i don't understand is that was all exposed it took 20 years it did but it was whenever it was for the general public probably not until the books and the movies came out for the general public and they're willing to look at big pharma and doctors as having really screwed up. Yes. Fucked up, right?

Yes. And at the same time, they're like, well, not this time. Not with the COVID vaccine. They're not making that. They're doing the right thing. Well, I think it'll take 10 years for that. But why don't they make the connection? It's a brand new day each time. Listen, I'm only now starting to get some traction with showing people how the playbook for the

opiate pandemic was identical to COVID and identical to some of these other things that are going on. And people, they don't see it. They don't get it. They don't believe it. But they're starting to see it. It takes a while. Yeah.

I mean, corporate, I'll tell you, I've had conversations with CEOs and executives who will say things like, well, the big pharma executives, they're the most values-driven. Values-driven? Meaning like all they want to do is do good in the world. No, no, it's not. Listen, I actually believe I've worked around these companies and with these companies, and they are that way, except they're not. It's odd. Well, they're for-profit organizations. They're for-profit. They have fiduciary responsibility to the stockholders,

and the regulators are too. It's the regulatory piece. They're just doing what they do. They want to help, and the regulator goes, come on, we'll help you. Great, I want to help people. It causes excesses. It breaks the checks and balances aren't in place.

I don't want to blame the executives for that so much because they're just doing what they do. And again, I've met great ones, great ones. Yes, but to sort of look at it with no skepticism. When you know that what happened with the opioid crisis and all these other things, I am skeptical always. The opioid thing was perpetrated not by the pharmaceutical company but by my profession.

And you know how it ended? No, no, no. The pharmaceutical blew wind into the sails of what my profession was doing. It was the regulators that put it all on steroids. Yeah. It was that the evangelizing physicians got the control of the regulators. Pain is the fifth vital sign. Right.

Pain is more important than anything. And pain is what the patient says it is. Pain controls what the patient says it is. If you under-prescribe, you go to jail. Not malpractice, jail. That's bad. And do you know how it all ended? Nobody knows how it ended because I witnessed the end. I was in the room when it ended. They did a symposium at the White House about the opiate pandemic and there was a lot of cabinet-level officials there and they talked and talked. It was well done.

It was nice to see everybody thinking about it but Jeff Sessions, God bless him got up there with his big southern drawl and he goes I see what's going on here, I know how to fix this I've done with things I know how to do this, you watch me in four months this is going to be over

he put a bunch of doctors in jail ended they did the opposite of what they had done to initiate the thing which put doctors in jail for not treating pain right now they went to jail for treating pain doctors froze right woke up out of their trance what's the matter is he going to say something okay good he's obviously susan leaning into her microphone i'm like oh am i okay uh and that's and it was gone in six months so on a low on a smaller scale i'll tell you a brief story and then you probably need to kick me out i do

in 2017 yeah we have a we have a director waiting in the driveway we went with i went with a bunch of uh gymnasts nasser victims and met with diane feinstein well before she passed to get passage of the safe sport act she said i can pass a law we'll put you know the first coach we put in prison yeah for abusing whereas before they were just moved on like catholic priests yeah she said that'll that will change things but you have to change the culture so it's the same thing they started to actually i'm glad they know i'm glad they know that they do that that they have that ability that government can function that way and on the side of what's right. Yes. And she did. Yeah, good for her.

Credit to her. I'm glad to hear that. That makes me feel good about our government. I'm not feeling too great about that these days. Me neither. Yeah, me neither. But, so listen, thank you for being here. Thank you for coming in.

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You know, you're a brand executive. There is a difference. I want to- You can wear that on your V-shrine. Honestly, you're a brand executive. There is a difference. You can wear that on your V-shirt. Honestly, you can see the difference through the camera. You can tell if that's better quality than the stuff you're going to find online. You can tell. That looks like another brand I have.

By comparison, I won't tell you. Susie, you want to say anything about your program coming up? Today's Calling out with susan pinsky we have the psychic rebel colby and medium cindy kaza from the holter files i don't know if anybody's ever seen that but they're coming in and by the way drew you're the guest because our main guest is freaking out and doesn't want to do it anymore let me talk to her yeah anyways you're going to be on with her and then um yeah they it it i don't know people freak

out i know there's she in there oh that's we're bringing we're bringing light and love but anyways um so anyways that's at 3 p.m and we have to move on because i have a director in the waiting in the green room and uh he needs to get to work and I have to put some makeup on we have been very people have been very kind with their time but Caleb Susan Jay who's out yeah and thank you so much for all the people that 100,000 people that watched our rumble last week I really appreciate it and I hope you guys can come back today I I feel like it's not real so I want to see if today too and the restreams are very interesting. And I'd love to get Rumble followers

as a guest of my show. I'd get a psychic medium. You know what else? We should have said something. We had a bunch of UK followers when Tom was on, when Tommy was on. Tommy, is that his name?

Yeah. Yeah. And too bad we didn't promote then for you. There's like 10,000 people watching on X2. We really appreciate your viewership and YouTube as well. Thank you for everything. Dave Smith on Tuesday, everybody. Check that out.

We'll be in New York. A quick thing on your website, Jennifer, they're saying that it doesn't say you have to sign up for an email to get that 15% off. Is that simply true? No, I can't hear anything. I don't know if you can hear me. It'll pop up if you go for the first time

and you'll sign up and it'll automatically ask you. But the other thing is 30% off on Team Women. So you get that without signing up. Perfect. And D-Rod, I will look into Nadav here. That's an interesting idea. Good job. Good job.

Thank you guys for the stream. Takes you up as a swing by. Thank you all for the stream. It's true. Up as a, you know, swing by. Thank you all for being here. We appreciate it very much. Dave Smith next Tuesday, three o'clock Pacific time. We will see you there. Thank you to our guests today.

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