Ask Dr. Drew - Trump & Elon Breakup: Billionaire Feud or Palantir Distraction Kayfabe? w/ Comedian Alex Stein (AKA Prime Time 99) – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 492

Episode Date: June 9, 2025

Public fallout between Elon Musk and Donald Trump, heightened by Musk’s X post alleging Trump’s ties to Jeffrey Epstein, caused chaos in DC. But some pundits believe the feud is actually kayfabe ��� a wrestling term for a staged conflict. Fake feuds are not unusual for Trump – even after speaking harshly about Megyn Kelly, the two are now friends again. Many believe this fight with Musk is designed to trick Democrats into demanding the release of Epstein files… or to distract Trump’s own supporters from his controversial alliance with Palantir and his Big Beautiful Bill. Are they playing 5D chess, or is the fallout a real battle between the world’s most powerful people? After Musk’s accusations, can they ever repair their friendship? Alex Stein is a comedian and host of Prime Time with Alex Stein on BlazeTV. Known as Prime Time 99, his viral stunts include ambushing AOC and trolling city councils. He claims to be a vegetarian but “not a soy boy.” More at https://x.com/alexstein99  and https://youtube.com/@PrimeTimeAlexStein 「 SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS 」 Find out more about the brands that make this show possible and get special discounts on Dr. Drew's favorite products at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/sponsors⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠  ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • ACTIVE SKIN REPAIR - Repair skin faster with more of the molecule your body creates naturally! Hypochlorous (HOCl) is produced by white blood cells to support healing – and no sting. Get 20% off at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/skinrepair⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • FATTY15 – The future of essential fatty acids is here! Strengthen your cells against age-related breakdown with Fatty15. Get 15% off a 90-day Starter Kit Subscription at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/fatty15⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • PALEOVALLEY - "Paleovalley has a wide variety of extraordinary products that are both healthful and delicious,” says Dr. Drew. "I am a huge fan of this brand and know you'll love it too!” Get 15% off your first order at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/paleovalley⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • VSHREDMD – Formulated by Dr. Drew: The Science of Cellular Health + World-Class Training Programs, Premium Content, and 1-1 Training with Certified V Shred Coaches! More at ⁠https://vshredmd.com/⁠ • THE WELLNESS COMPANY - Counteract harmful spike proteins with TWC's Signature Series Spike Support Formula containing nattokinase and selenium. Learn more about TWC's supplements at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twc.health/drew⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ 「 MEDICAL NOTE 」 Portions of this program may examine countervailing views on important medical issues. Always consult your physician before making any decisions about your health. 「 ABOUT THE SHOW 」 Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Kaleb Nation (⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://kalebnation.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠) and Susan Pinsky (⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/firstladyoflov⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠e⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠). This show is for entertainment and/or informational purposes only, and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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He's a comedian and host of Primetime with Alex Stein on Blaze TV, known as Primetime Nine-Nine. He has gone viral for many things, including ambushing that young lady you just saw right there. You can follow him on Xalextine99, S-E-E-I-N, and YouTube Primetime Alex Stein. Of course, they're at PrimetimeAlexsteinX at Alexstein99.

And we are going to get into it today, and we have also your questions on the Restream and on the Rumble Rants. We're watching all of it. I see there are questions for Alex's fans who want him to ask me things on the Rumble Rants. We'll get into that more right after this. He was an alcoholic because of social media and pornography, PTSD, love addiction, fentanyl and heroin. Ridiculous. I'm a doctor for ****.

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And these are the cells that when the genetic errors occur that are inevitable as we age, we call that a cancer. The natural killers sweep in and clean it all out. That last line of defense is not working right after COVID. I'm Resveratrol boost that. So I'm red hot on that. All right. Alex Stein, as I said, comedian, Primetime with Alex Stein on Blaze. You can follow him on Xalexstein99, and at Primetime, Alex Stein on YouTube. Alex, welcome to the program.

Dr. Drew, it's a pleasure. Thank you for having me. You know, it feels surreal. I've watched you for so many years, and I know you don't want me to come here and kiss your butt, but to be on your show, it is truly an honor thank you Dr. Drew. You know it's so fascinating about talking to you and and your fandom as

well let's call it is that your your your perception is that therefore everybody knows who I am and you got to remember we live in a world that is so fragmented that you know everyone has their own little zone of who they know and what they follow. And, you know, the guys like influencers tend to have more fans than I do right now. And the other thing, think about the fact that like 30, 40, 30 to 40% of the country does not know who Johnny Carson is.

You know what I mean? And I've been doing it for a long time. Yeah, Dr. Drew, this is the problem, is you're only on top for so long. If you look at professional wrestling, Hulk Hogan is only on top for so long. But when I look at you, Dr. Drew, you're an icon. And I'm not saying we're going to kiss each other's butt

the whole time, but I see a guy like Dr. Oz. Dr. Oz, obviously likeable guy, had a successful TV show. But when it comes to the TV resume, yours much longer You've had more hit shows you've been you know on Celebrity rehab teen mom I would think that on the zeitgeist of television You'd even had a bigger as a doctor TV doctor a bigger impact than dr Oz and then I see him in the Trump administration and not you and it kind of makes you frustrated because you actually have the Cajones to speak out against some of these pharmaceutical companies that aren't doing the American people

the benefit that they owe us. So I just appreciate you, Dr. Drew, more so, because you did have that. You had that turn. Yeah. Well, but let me tell you about that. So they have sniffed around for me to do stuff. And Susan and I have discussed it.

And I really think, first of all, some of these jobs, like they were looking at me on Samsung and things like that. I said, there are certain things that you can, if you hire me to shut these things down, maybe, maybe I'll think about it. But if you want me to actually run some of these things that I've been running them,

that have been running a mock for all these years, I don't dig it. And I think I can be more effective in targeted way and using PR, helping them with PR and things. I just think I'll be more effective that way. But I suspect I'll be called upon to do something. I suspect that's coming. And if it's something that I really have an expertise in,

that it's gonna be hard to say no, particularly if it's just for a short period of time. Well, and you know, obviously people and Donald Trump has gotten a lot of heat for not being, you know, I guess, anti-pharmaceutical or anti-vaccine enough, but I have to admit, you know, before the vaccine came out, people acted like everybody's gonna get the vaccine and die.

Obviously, that's not the case. You know, some people had some adverse side effects to the vaccine, you know, small amount of people. They kind of, they downplayed that, but it's not as bad as they say. So I think Donald Trump is trying to do the best that he can, but Dr. Drew, you and I both know that the medical healthcare system

that we currently have in the United States does not care about making people healthy, it just cares about, in my opinion, keeping people sick. So I think it's a bigger problem that Donald Trump or his administration can fix in four years. Well, I, RFK Jr. certainly would kind of agree with you on that. I don't know if it's as he visited, quite as clear as the way you stated it,

but he is in that zone for sure. And he has put great people in place. As you may, Oz is a brilliant surgeon. He's a really good guy, really bright guy. Makary, you know, is very good. He's very insightful. He knows what he's talking about. Jay Bhattacharya is, oh my God, he's just, he's my hero.

So the fact that he's in there at the NIH is, these are people that will get stuff done. They feel good about what their probabilities are of getting the work done that they want to get done. We got to give them time. I mean, the bureaucracy is so huge and so ensconced and so full of its own self-importance. And by the way, busy undermining and hiding out

and obfuscating, they got to get in there and clean house systematically. DOJ has managed to do it, by the way. DOJ, it's either like, hey, do this work or we're going to hire people that will. The HHS is not quite able to do that, but DOJ is a good model for how things are getting done. Yeah, but Dr. Drew, you know, my good friend Tucker Carlson,

the guy that helped me out a lot, I wouldn't even probably be on your show if it wasn't for him noticing me, but he just had a doctor on talking about these SSRIs. We over-prescribe these SSRIs to people like crazy, and I would think, and I don't know if you will, I don't know if you'll agree with this, but people like crazy and I would think and I don't know if you will I don't know if you'll agree with this but this is mine I would say and I'm not a doctor like you you're much smarter than me but I think that we

do have a cure to depression wouldn't it be a healthy diet and exercise not being overweight I mean it doesn't that cure depression am I crazy for thinking that or is that anecdotal for me to have that so? So I know it's not, but let me, but it's a little more complicated than that. So I want to talk about Musk and President Trump just a second, but I do want to dig into this with you first, which is that, look, I worked in a psychiatric hospital for 30 years and I thought I knew something

about psychiatry when I started working there. I didn't know shit. And it took me 10 years to develop a reasonable level of expertise. And part of that expertise is ascertaining the difference between ordinary misery, which we have lost track of completely in this country. Ordinary misery is a good thing.

Misery puts us under stress, not distress. It stresses us when we lean in, we develop competency and resiliency and self-efficacy. We've gone through the last 20 years of avoiding ordinary misery. And frankly, I'm disgusted with that and it harms people. Dr. Drew, I agree. We need anxiety.

Everybody wants to be anti-anxiety, but we need some anxiety so you'll get off your butt and go to work. You need a little anxiety. That's good for a human being. Yes, yes. Yes, one of the Sentinel books on anxiety right now is called something like Lean In.

I'm getting the name of it, but somebody will tell me on the restream or whatever. And it's great, and particularly for people with panic. It works great. You lean into your discomfort, and guess what you learn? You learn how to manage it? You regulate your emotions

and that is the stuff of life and competency. When I was a resident, are you kidding? I was uncomfortable all the time. But what did I do? I jumped in harder. And you know what? Because of that, it started getting easier. I developed resiliency.

I paid, it paid huge dividends in terms of my training because I saw and did everything. And so here we go everybody, safe spaces are anathema to mental health. They're disgusting, it's time we stop all that. If people are discomfort, they're welcome to bring it up, but you better damn well lean into it or you're gonna be severely impaired as you go through life.

So there's ordinary ministry, number one. Number two, mild depression, mild depression. What do we do with mild depression and anxiety, even with occasional panic? Should that be pharmacologically treated? Probably not. Should it be treated at all? Maybe not, your point is well taken.

It's a little classical music and exercise favors measures comparably against that kind of depression against anything else professionals do? Should you maybe avail yourself of looking at why you're depressed and seeing if you can, again, lean into that? Can you develop a community? Can you make it maybe of service to people?

Can you, whatever it is, start to manage these things. And if they've not gone on more than a couple of months, maybe kind of learn to manage yourself and then get a therapist if you want or some clergy, whatever you want to support you, a good friend to support you as you manage these things. So that's the second case. The third case is clinically relevant depression. And people, you have to be really trained

to ferret out what is real depression, major depressive disorder. In fact, I'm having seen it for 30 years, I'm not even sure I trust myself. I'd want a psychiatrist to tell me, yeah, that's what this is. We've got to treat this thing. And then the medicines can be life threatening.

So we at once over treat and under treat because people with real depression sometimes don't get the care they need. But within the today's world with telehealth and whatnot, it should be simple enough for this to be put in the hands of the patients and families and people get the care they need. But just be careful in terms of,

I really worry about the nihilism. Like let's remove everything. Let's get rid of all vaccines. Let's get rid of all of it. These things have utility. We just overdo it. And the way the system is set up in medicine, we don't take the time necessary to really do the work

on behalf of the patient. We just open our prescription pad, which is also disgusting. Well, speaking of different therapies for anxiety and depression, Elon Musk fighting with Donald Trump, and they're saying that he was on a ketamine bender, but I don't know if that's possible

because I haven't looked much into ketamine therapy, but the impression that I've gotten is that, Dr. Drew, you can answer this obviously. When you do the ketamine therapy, do you take the ketamine home or do you do it at the office? Because I'm under the impression you do it all at the office. Well, usually the ketamine has been sort of,

because clinicians can use medicine, however, they think is in the best interest of the patient, not necessarily the way it's designed. Ketamine is designed as an IV infusion under anesthesia supervision, six treatments on average, have been shown to be useful for recalcitrant depression. That's what it's used for. Now people also use it for guided therapies,

and they also have a nasal spray that you can take home and people are getting their hands on the nasal spray and over using it. But ketamine is a sleep-inducing medicine really. I mean it's kind of opioid quality. Dr. Drew, I have to interject because I did ketamine one time. This is a time ago about 2009 at hangout music festival, and I got in what was called a K hole I was right out of college. You know or I think I was in college my senior year They gave you ketamine it was like I thought it was like you know so something that special K I thought it was some cool thing. It was like a powder put in my nose. I'm telling you I got locked up dr Drew and I was in a pool. They were really worried. They had to pull them out of a pool

It was actually really fun. I know it sounds I got locked up dr. Drew and I was in a pool They were really worried they had to pull them out of a pool. It was actually really fun I know it sounds kind of scary now talking about it at the time was actually very fun My point is Gary my point. I know it was scary my point is and I'm not encouraging somebody to do that I got all locked up from doing it. So this is a strong drug I mean, I don't know why you would prescribe this for somebody's mental health This is like how a person that has depression they say they drink a little bit How could you ever heal your brain if you're taking alcohol by constantly, you know causing brain damage? I describe this for somebody's mental health. This is like how a person that has depression, they say they drink a little bit. How could you ever heal your brain

if you're taking alcohol by constantly causing brain damage? It's like, how can you heal your depression by taking ketamine? That probably causes some sort of a hangover or rebound effect after taking it. So again, I don't advocate for anybody with addictive pathology taking ketamine. I've seen it trigger relapses, number one.

Number two, it is for recalcitrant depression. People who've tried everything else, that's really what it's designed for. So yeah, I agree with you. Don't mess around with that stuff. Now, could, so what did we see with Elon this last couple of days? We saw him get agitated and irritable and inflated,

we call that, and he didn't perceive risk normally. He also may not have seen the social consequences of what he was doing. Of course, he is self-identified as having autism or Asperger's. And so when you add all that up, yeah, it could be drug-induced. Peketamine is not one of the drugs I would pick.

I mean, occasionally people get into an agitated state from it when they use a lot of it, but I don't know. That wouldn't be a hard one for me if he were using it. The guy would not have been as effective as he has been. I mean, I don't see how he could function on even modest amounts of ketamine. Stimulants, could that do this?

Sure. Have I seen evidence of him using stimulants? No. But, and by the way, are you a fan of Elon Musk? Yeah, I am. And what he's done with Twitter I think it's incredible and I think that he is right about this bill is obviously bloated But all of these bills are bloated see dr. Drew, you know, it's a unit party Donald Trump

He kind of you know, they give us the illusion. It's right verse left And I'm sure they don't all like Donald Trump, but really at the end of the day It's just all one big party and they're kind of against us and that's just how I feel So this bill is probably bloated and now they're gonna retroactively go and try to trim this bill. That sounds very counterintuitive when it comes to you know managing the government. So I think he's right about this and having a gripe about it but is this worth blowing up your whole friendship with Donald Trump the most powerful guy in the world? I just there has to be more to the story that we don't know. Not only that I mean the

the budgetary process is complicated. This is a reconciliation bill. It's not actually the spending bill. Spending bill comes up in October or something. And the plan is to get this in place so they could do that. And they get all kinds of other concessions tiled into this thing. So the workings of our federal government

is so complicated. I don't, I'm seeing the guys at the HHS struggle with it. I mean, just imagine the entire federal government or the entire budgetary process. It's just too much for my little brain. But I have a little bit of faith that these guys are really kind of chipping away at it and trying to work at it.

But I think the point that Elon brings up, and I'll have you comment on this, if we don't do something about the budget, we're dead. Well, I don't know if I necessarily agree with that. I mean, every, every year the debt, the national debt just gets more and more. And, and you know, what is that? And this is a little secret. I'm not a smart guy, but you know, Dr.

Drew, you know, when you die, there's very few things that you can take with you. And one of those things that you can take with you is actually credit card debt. You know, you're not responsible for your parents' credit card debt when they die. So my point is what is debt? We have debt, we're borrowing against ourselves. So yes, I would like to balance the budget, but Trump's not going to be able to balance the budget. So really, is that going to affect our everyday lives? I mean, I think I'm more worried about inflation. I think I'm more worried about the price of gas and you know, the price of food and grocery stores. So I don't know how this bill really affects that.

But when it comes to Elon Musk trying to make our lives easier, I think he's trying, obviously. I just don't know where the disconnect is right now when it comes to him and Trump's relationship. Yeah, I think, I think, Elon, well, Trump said something really different. He goes, he was really interesting. He goes, you know, we've got good friends with these people,

then they leave the White House. I think they kind of leave, they miss it, they feel left out, and they get upset. And he goes, I don't know, they call it Trump derangement syndrome, he said. And I thought, oh my God, he's naming it now as Trump derangement. He goes, I don't know what it is,

and he's been very sort of dismissive of the whole thing and letting it kind of run its course. Well, Dr. Drew, you know it's so annoying about this whole thing though, and you know this, because I don't know what your feelings How close you are with Donald Trump, but before 2016 everybody loved Donald Trump. We talked about it You know you have some iconic episodes on Howard Stern So Howard Stern used to call him mr

Trump and would kiss his derriere when he'd have him on to give him the utmost respect and then the guy runs for president He hates his guts So it's kind of funny how everybody all of a sudden in the Hollywood media hates the guy. When you know that they used to love him, you'd be honored to have had him on your shows before 2016, any celebrity and talk show host would. Oh my God, yes. So you're, I'm more moderate than you are,

but we are both Howard Stern fans. And fans of his career and what he's done. I value every appearance I've had the great pleasure of doing on that show. It was good fun, really interesting. He's an unbelievably good interviewer, clairvoyant in terms of his ability to sit and attune to another person. I'm imagining it's because he's spent so much time

on the couch himself, but he's Different politically than you. How do you reconcile that? Well, politically he's used to be very libertarian and then all of a sudden now He's giving softball interviews to Joe Biden when they know that he has cognizant, you know issues I thought that was terrible and that's not the Howard of old but you just made a good point Howard Stern used to be the most cutting-edge, you know A razor-sharp guy then he starts to go to therapy four times a week. Is it that a little too much? I mean some psychoanalysis is good, but four times and then one week seems

overkill Psychoanalysis is a really interesting thing it I I don't I don't want to denigrate it. I think it's a wonderful thing. And it's, and if you want to explore the human psyche through your own experience, it's a really interesting way to go. But in terms of having real clinical utility, not much.

You'll enjoy this. Can you see what's on my screen here? Yeah, but who's calling me? I can't see it. Oh, Al the legend. Wow, wow. So you probably got to answer that. Are you going to put them on, do not disturb? I don't know.

It never works. It never works when I put them on here. But in psychoanalysis, used to be the only, the thus say it the Lord authority in psychiatric medicine. Psychoanalysts had complete grip on the American psychiatric system. The only country in the world that really did that,

French a little bit, but even Austria let go of it, Germany let go of it, because it didn't really help people that much. And now we have sub-disciplines and disciplines for very targeted kinds of therapies that really do work. Psychoanalysis has become almost just more of an exploratory experience. I do believe it did help him.

Remember, I did a narcissistic inventory on him and his narcissism was relatively mild. Yeah, but Dr. Joe White, I had to cut you off. Yes, but I had to cut you off because I'd taken one of those narcissistic tests and I had to do it off. I had to cut you off because I've taken one of those narcissistic tests. I had to do it for some TV show casting. I don't know if I took the same one as Howard. But if you take those tests, you can kind of answer it so you don't sound like a psycho.

I mean, you can kind of cheat those. I know you're going to give me the doctor answer, no you can't. But did you give me the one where you answer like 600 questions? Which personality and narcissistic test did he take? No, no, this was the narcissistic personality inventory. It's like 30 questions. It's forced choices. You often, you come to both choices.

You're telling me no, you can't cheat it. You can't just kind of answer what would a non-crazy person would say. Well, some of it you can a little bit, but that actually, that also shows up in our measurements. But the questions are designed in such a way that you either think I'm neither of these or I'm both of these,

but what you choose actually has predictive meaning. Does that make sense? Oh wow, yes, kind of, yeah. I mean, I guess you think you have more options, which you really don't. Well, Howard Stern though, I mean I mean let's not I love Howard Stern He's the greatest radio broadcaster ever and I'm good friends with Bubba the love sponge You know you should be honest network, so you know I'm a diehard Howard Stern fan

But it just when it comes just politics. I don't I'm not that worried about it, but when I see the psycho Analysis all the time. I'm kind of like I feel like you get in your head Once a week is good four times a week. I mean what's what's the point of having a wife? What's the point of having a dog go for a walk? I know he exercises You know me I mean how much you want to talk to this person is it seems like I said just a second ago It seems like overkill and I think Howard sure is one of the most brilliant people in the world So if he's doing a four days week, yes, and I'm I'm like should I go get psychoanalyzed? But I'm also I don't I don't know I would do good. I week. And I'm like, should I go get psychoanalyzed? But I'm also, I don't know if I would do good.

I don't know, I'm too much of a head case. Yeah, I see. No, I don't think you'd do so well with that. No, I don't think you'd like that. No, I would not. You have to be suitable for psychoanalysis, and I don't think you'd dig it. But anyway, the point about psychoanalysis,

it eventually got supplanted by more evidence-based therapeutics and things. And psychiatry anchored itself more in medicine, but then it became too sort of biologically inclined where they've lost track of everything else. It's coming back to a better place. Look, psychiatry's done horrible things. I worked in a psychiatric hospital for all those years

that was like a museum of psychiatry. When I arrived there in the early 80s, all the therapeutics that were so awful were in evidence because those patients were still in the hospitals from the forties and fifties and even the sixties, things like lobotomies and singulotomies. And they did insulin shock therapy and parainfluenza shock therapy

and dialyzing evil humors away from the schizophrenic patients. It was just crazy stuff. And I still saw some crazy stuff even in the eighties. But the point is humility, humility, humility. And let's all be humble in our approach to the biological system and the spiritual entity that is the human being.

That's a really important part of this. But let me just finish up with Elon. So I just wanna say that many, if not most really successful people are sort of hypomanic. Have you noticed that? They only sleep four hours a night and they can do lots of things and then when they're free time,

they go hang gliding and stuff. That's hypomania. Trump had some of that, but it's an asset is less it flips into depression or mania. And I'm fearful that Elon kind of, by the way, I'm a huge fan of his. I just, I think I loved his biography. I love everything he's doing.

I'm just so, so grateful for the work he has done. He's relentless. And he knows more about manufacturing than probably anybody in the world right now. But he may have flipped into a little bit of a manic episode in which place they they're inflated and they're irritable and they really don't sleep. Did a substance do that? I don't know. I don't care.

He's not an addict. I'm not worried about that. I'm worried that he just is in a state that he's not going to like when he comes down from. Well, Dr. Drew, and I would say this about both Elon Musk and Donald Trump, both smart, but aren't they both a little impulsive? Right when that so so could this just be maybe they're a little impulsive you kind of miss both And I also walk it back a little though. So not a good description. Yes No, it is because that's one of the features of hypomania

They're kind of impulsive right and there and when they get into manic episodes They're very impulsive and then if you throw Asperger's on top of that, you might not really appreciate the social consequences of some of the things you do. Now we got a pretty interesting soup on our hands. I just hope it all kind of settles down. But AOC said the girls are fighting. What do you think about,

she seems so delighted that they were having a conflict. Well, of course. I mean, and our two gay dads divorcing on Pride month. I mean, I'm very sad about that, but AOC, of course, she's going to take every little victory she can. But can you believe Dr. Drew that she's probably going to be the presidential candidate for the Democratic Party? And I think that she has a good shot in 2028.

Call me crazy. You I'm calling you crazy. You think she has a good shot? I think she got the candidate. I don't know. She has a good shot. I mean, I think she has a good shot. I think she has a good shot being the candidate. I don't think she has a good shot being the president. No, I think she has a shot. Oh, for sure, Dr. Drew,

because these people are so disconnected. You and I both know that most people, if you went in the street and asked them, who's the vice president, 99% of people probably wouldn't say JD Vance. So if you actually have an attractive young woman like AOC, it's kind of like the Donald Trump effect. After Donald Trump, yes,

we think the Republicans are going to have the power. That's what we would kind of speculate, but oftentimes the pendulum swings and somebody like AOC who is charismatic, young, you know, vivacious now she's experienced. I'm just telling you, I would, I didn't, I thought Donald Trump had a 0% chance. I thought he had a 0% chance. And now in my opinion, he's won three elections. So I wouldn't put past, I would not put it past AOC to at least put up a

fighting chance if she does run for president. Did you, do you listen to Scott Adams at all? Oh, of course. Yeah, it's so sad to hear about his diagnosis. Obviously we talked about it on our show or my show. Yeah. So he, but he has been saying AOC is a very good persuader and has a, has a game as they say.

And he's been very, he's not a supporter, but he just thought that, like you're saying, that she has a good chance of doing some stuff. But what do you think about the Democrats looking for their Joe Rogan? It's so interesting. They just seem completely lost in terms of what Joe Rogan, what the experience of the young male is

that drives them to a Alex Stein or a Joe Rogan, what the experience of the young male is that drives them to Alex Dine or a Joe Rogan. Well, you know, what drives them to me is cause I kind of, I look up to those shock jock guys, but they had it. We just talked about them all episode. They had Howard Stern, the greatest interviewer of all time. And Howard is just not the cultural icon that he once was. So it's kind of like, who's going to come up?

Bill Maher, but Bill Maher, he's just not, he's not Howard. You know what I mean? And he's not Joe Rogan, so they do need a right Joe Rogan, but it's this you can't make a carbon copy We're not gonna have the left's version. It's gonna be some more different amalgamation like this Hassan You know it's coming up. It's gonna be somebody else But when it comes to podcasts there's some stand-up comedian that was talking about it And they act like every podcasters right wing trust me there's a lot of liberal podcasts out there, so give me a break It's not about the podcast, but before we go don't sure there's one thing I want to ask you because on celebrity rehab you're not going anywhere. We're not going to be a half hour together

You and I okay? Yeah good, but you talk a lot about and this is to the mental health thing We're talking about the gambling addiction now I see Dave Portnoy who I like but Dave Portnoy has the gambling addiction now I see Dave Portnoy who I like but Dave Portnoy has the Barshal sports and they're basically a gambling proxy right that's how they're you know that's kind of how they're funded by these gaming sites why don't we talk about gambling addiction and how terrible that is I feel like that's an addiction that kind of goes under the rug and that I don't know I don't remember was there was there a gambling addiction on I don't I know that that

Dennis Rodman I think other people that on the show had issues with it, but I don't think you ever had a person that was sober other than they were just addicted to video poker or online gambling or whatever gambling they do. No, we didn't address it specifically, but I will tell you that Bob Forrest, the guy with the hat and glasses, when he was well into his sobriety,

he was on Friday afternoons going to visit the horses, telling himself that, oh, I just need to get outside and get some bluff of steam, go into the midfield and just kind of hang out there. And he, because he's a severe addict, even though he's in recovery, it started catching, it caught up with him. Before he realized it, he had a problem.

And he was like, oh shit, I have to go to GA too. I didn't, he just, I was in denial. I didn't see it coming. And here it is. And gambling addiction, there's a guy named Bo Barnhart who runs a gambling, I think that's his name, runs a gambling lab. And I went and visited it once and it's fascinating.

It's actually a casino where he's able to wire people's bodies and brains up and examine exactly what's happens to them while they're in their throes of their gambling behaviors and He's trying to figure out ways to sort of adjust the machines and things so it doesn't they're not quite so addictive but he's had the chance to Examine a lot of gambling addicts and gambling addiction comes in various flavors. It's not one thing like opiates. For instance, the machine addicts come in two very different flavors.

One is sort of an excitement addict and they just get reinforced enough that they get sort of drawn into it. But he has a subset that are dissociative gambling machine addicts that dissociate. He said he said he had two people that dissociated, meaning like they lose track of time and feelings and everything. They lose track of where they are. They're so bad, two of them had to come to the casino in diapers. They would lose, they would associate so thoroughly. They would just sit there.

Lost track of everything. They just lose track of themselves completely. They dissociate. Then, what did you say? We just sit there? They just lost track of everything. They just lose track of themselves completely. They dissociate. Then, I know. And then when you get to the tables, there are people that are sort of sociopathic gamblers that want to manipulate the system. There are people that got kind of addicted

to the high of winning, which is actually a small minority. And there's a group that gets addicted to losing and deading. And they will tell you that they only. Yeah. Now I've heard that you have the cortisol addiction that you can actually get addicted to losing.

People don't realize that. I saw a whole video on it that you can actually, people will win and they won't feel happy. They'll want to go lose because they only get the high or the cortisol or whatever stress hormone from the loss. I think that I can believe that that was true. Yeah, the way the patients will describe it, they'll go, I only feel alive

if my back is against the wall. That's the only time I feel high and feel alive. And yeah, that's, so this, yeah, Sydney, GA works, 12 step works, but it has to be identified and the consequences have to be delivered so people are able to get and do the work associated with recovery. And it's usually in the setting of other addictions,

to be fair. And if it's not with a chemical addiction, there's also debting addiction, shopping addiction, all kinds of other stuff alongside of it. So in my experience, there's other stuff that coexist with gambling addiction. You got to take care of all of it. It's tough. Listen, I take a gambling addiction. You got to take care of all of it. It's tough.

Listen, I take a little break. Hold on, hold your thought. Hold your thought. We got a lot to talk about. I got a lot more I want to get into. There's somebody that asked on our rumble rants here about kidney transplants or something. Something about, does that sound familiar to you?

I'll try to find that question. That's not something you came to know. I don't know anything about. Yeah, I've never heard of Sham. I know I have two of them. Shamgar Connors, what's up? Can you ask Drew what he thinks about me getting kicked off the kidney transplant list

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Primetime Alexstein, Blaze TV, Alex. I really do appreciate you being here. And I appreciate your enthusiasm for the work I've done over the years. It is, I feel like I've started to present my, I know you have a question I'm gonna let you ask in a second, but I've begun to present myself when I do public speaking as a time traveler

because I've done so much for so long and so many, no, I'm not kidding. In so many different contexts, I'm like, listen, I'm a time traveler. I'm here from another era. And because of these incredible experiences I've had, I have some very strong opinions and observations. You may not agree with them,

but I'm here to travel forward in time to deliver messages from the past. And so to that degree, you know, I appreciate that you're appreciative of all these different shows I've done, I have the great pleasure of many of them having been hits, which is sort of extraordinary. Anyway, you had a question to ask me as we went to break.

Well, Shamgar is a guy that's a huge reporter of mine, kind of a little protege actually. I didn't even realize he was in the Rumble chat, but yeah, he talks about how he could not get, I guess he got taken off the kidney transplant list because he didn't get the vaccine. And listen, obviously I get that flu serious, but taking people off the horror transplant list or not giving these people transplants for a vaccine, I mean, how is that not against the Hippocratic oath in your opinion, Dr. Drew?

It is categorically against medical ethics and the Hippocratic Oath. I am disgusted by it. And I believe anybody who was harmed by mandates should take action. I really believe that in the strongest terms. Because not only will you be helping yourself gain restitution for the injustice that you suffered,

but you will help mitigate the possibility that this should happen again. It cannot happen again. You've got to understand Alex, public health is in direct opposition to the practice of medicine, a doctor helping a patient. Public health comes out of really of socialism really. It's a sense that we are gonna from on high centralize

and take over and be do the good of everybody. That is how social harms are always and only done in the name of doing good. Do you think the people that followed Hitler thought they were doing bad? They believe they were doing good. It's always in the name of doing good. And this is the problem that people have still not

gotten through their head. Yeah, but Dr. Drew, and you're a guy that, like you said, you're a time traveler. You've been, you know, you've seen everything. You've seen MERS, you've seen sudden acute respiratory syndrome, there's been serious respiratory illnesses, and I think, I don't have this data, but you can probably see a chart

that we're going to have another one of these It's gonna be up to us on how we respond to it But a lot of people are like you or they're you know freedom fighters or however you wanted to find yourself I'm just saying you're willing to go against the grain and speak out against the mainstream media But most people dr. Drew going back to the pandemic they like to be in locked in their house They like not having to go into work because they didn't like their co-workers They like getting a $600 check because they wanted to pay for their house. They liked not having to go into work because they didn't like their coworkers. They liked getting a $600 check because they wanted to pay for their Netflix or whatever.

Most people are so disconnected and we're all in the dating apps, which is so superficial and disconnecting. I'm just saying we're so disconnected that people liked the pandemic because you didn't have to see people and you had a good excuse for it and you weren't called weird or a loner for doing it.

I do agree with you, there were people that liked it, but I'm hard pressed to imagine it was a minority. Just look at the mental health consequences on young people, just looking at them, even if you sort of were neutral on them, locked down in the excesses, you look at what it's done to young people, don't you, doesn't it make you go and stop and think,

hmm, maybe that was a little excessive. So I don't know, I have a little more faith in that, but there are people that did like it and do love wearing masks and whatever it is that is being offered up to them. I don't understand that person. I also don't understand the person that wants to tell people how to live their life.

I don't understand that at all. Well, I mean, I just, you go back to the mask too. That was such a virtue signal, as if the mask stopped transmission of a virus. I mean, it's just so laughable, but that's why I'm very frustrated because I obviously told you about my mother, my mom got vaccinated, she had to,

which my mom didn't want to get vaccinated, she had to to continue to see her general doctor because she was on three different prescriptions, medications, she didn't want to get off those medications so she got vaccinated and um she still got covid of course and then when she went into the hospital they treated her like she was I mean you know like she was almost already dead they just didn't want to go in the room they thought I was crazy for spending that I was allowed to have a certain amount of time

with my mom every day even in the IC I was allowed to go in there for four hours it'd make me put on all the gear but they thought I'm saying but they thought that don't you they thought I was crazy for going in there They looked at me like you want to sit in that room. I'm like, yeah, my mom is sitting here dying Why would I not want to go sit in it? But that but that's that's what I'm refreshing to me is they literally looked at me like I was crazy They were scared to walk in these rooms and I get that the flu is bad But I mean, I mean this this is what you're working a hospital Like you shouldn't be scared to walk into this room, so I don't know I just I get so and I'm not mad like I don't I'm not mad at the doctors. I don't like vengeance on them

I do think that they don't want they didn't want my mom to die But they also if my mom died it benefited their narrative so there wasn't the same sort of incentive that they didn't kill my mom But they didn't want to keep my mom alive. That's how I feel I feel like they were indifferent to my mom's outcome. And that's why I'm so mad. And that's why I'm against a lot of our healthcare system because of that. Well, you're putting your finger on something you may not be aware of also, which is we have trained a league of physicians and maybe some nurses too, that have forgotten their

professionals and their professional ethics. We in my era, we took care of AIDS patients. We didn't know how that was transmitted. We ran into those rooms. I've been exposed to tuberculosis. I've been exposed to horrible bacteria. I've been exposed to everything. I did not, I took steps to mitigate my risk,

but I did not hesitate to do my job and walk in there as I was supposed to. And certain amount of risk is always come with the practice of medicine as it pertains to infectious diseases. And the fact that- Dr. Drew, Dr. Drew, Dr. Drew, there were HIV doctors, oh, you were great,

but they said they wouldn't work on HIV patients. So I'm just saying, you bring that up. That was kind of what was happening during COVID. There's other people like, oh, man, this woman has COVID. I don't want to go in there. I'm a doctor. I got all these medical bills and I got a degree from St. John's and I don't want to say. So just like and I know you are very magnanimous for working on people

during HIV, but I believe was it there is civil rights or lawsuit that made doctors work on HIV patients because so many doctors are saying, no, I don't want to do this. So it's like, have we changed that much from the HIV pandemic to now, or they didn't want to work on them then to where they, I'm sorry I'm going so crazy, but I just see some correlation. No, I do think we've changed that much.

Remember, I'm talking about my generation of physicians. So my generation, we ran into the fire. We thought we had something really important we were doing. The previous generation, the older physicians, really were just scared. They didn't know how to manage it. They didn't know what to do.

And so they just sort of stepped back and we jumped in. I don't think it was that they were afraid of it. I really don't. I just think they were afraid of their, frankly, their incompetence when it came to how to manage an incredibly complicated disorder that was evolving on a daily basis. And so they bowed out and we had no problem with that.

We didn't think of them as cowards at the time. We thought of them as incompetent. And we just went in and did our work. And the fact that they would turn down or tell a patient to come back when they're blue, it's just an astonishing shift. And so there's really something going on there that we have to kind of address as a profession.

It's just, then they're all employed by somebody and they were listening to their employer, not their professional instincts. And oh my God, so many bad things happened during that. And if we don't work to correct it, shame on us, shame on us. But I do think part of it is the guys like Shamgar, is that his name, Shamgar? Need to take action to get restitution.

There's no excuse for what happened there. There's no excuse. And we didn't know better. That's not an excuse any longer because some people did know better. They were just told to shut up. And that's that's again anathema to the good practice of medicine and the practice of science. Well and this brings me kind of to my next point though, and there is a correlation. We've been talking a lot about Howard Stern, and this is a subject, you know, and you're in California,

you don't want to talk about it too much, but Howard used to have Dr. Sal Calabro, he would give people free breast implants. I don't know if you remember that. That was, you know, iconic. No, I don't. Sometimes he, sometimes he, that was kind of the Jackie era, maybe right after.

And then sometimes he would have Transgenders come on the show and this is early 2000s late 90s and sometimes the transgender's would compete for breast implants And he would give them if they won the contest or whatever but oftentimes you would ask him. Hey Are you gonna get bottom surgery and this is in the early 2000s and they would always say well I can't get bottom surgery. I have to go to Venezuela. I have to go to Bolivia So does your what is your professional opinion is now you can go to any clinic anywhere and get gender reassignment surgery Just 20 years ago. They said that you're not gonna have any sexual pleasure if you get it, you know It's not gonna you know, your reproductive abilities obviously gone

So what can you explain the change in 20 years? You know if our medical care system is about taking care of us helping us through kovat now 20 years ago That medical hair would not have cut off your genitals and given you a generous assignment surgery, and now you can get it done in any major city in America. Isn't that kind of a huge shift in your opinion, Dr. Drew? It is obviously a huge shift. He was looking for that one.

Yes, it's a huge shift. But let me tell you once again, your instinct for where the trouble is is keen. I have said from the beginning, the problem with the biggest problem, I don't have a strong opinion on any of this, except to say that I know when my profession is mishandling things.

I know when things are out of alignment, let's say. And the fact that my profession is, as you say, so liberally applying a certain approach to a disorder where the outcomes are not that well understood, that is a problem. And so really what we as a profession do is be able to select the right patient for the right treatment.

And that is not an easy thing to do. And it's not one size fits all. And it's not whatever the patient says it is. That's how we got into trouble with pain management. Pain management, the pain world said, pain is whatever the patient says it is, pain control is whatever the patient says it is. That's how you kill people.

That's how you damage people. We have a role to play. We are the objective body there to protect the patient and to provide the services that give the best outcome. The patient is not, the patient's a participant, but he or she is not the sole arbiter of what the medical intervention should be. So to your point, the excesses are the problem.

We should have very skilled, very specific ways of assessing who needs what and who doesn't need what and when they need what. And the fact that everyone's getting everything all the time when they want it, there's a, I know, look, same thing as I have a problem with GLP-1 inhibitors too. They're being overused. Whenever anything is being overdone by the medical society,

you see harm to people. And now, because they did that with the opiates, now you can't get pain meds for a patient. We always, when pendulum goes, we never do the sensible thing. But so there will be some sort of reckoning, I'm sure of it. Zyphec is less bad than opiates. I mean, I'm not on Zyphec, but I know Zyphec probably has terrible side effects, but I mean,we is less bad than opiates. So I mean, I'm not on a Zimbabwe, but I know Zimbabwe probably has terrible side effects But I mean, what is it? It's it's it's a diabetic drug If you're 300 pounds is probably probably better off on a Zimbabwe than not on it when you say I mean I would say that it's probably yeah

Yeah, that's right, but Alex just like it's if somebody has cancer pain and is gonna die They're better off on opiates lots of them. Even and is going to die, they're better off on opiates. Lots of them. Even if they're an addict, they are better off on opiates. I now struggle to get my patients who are recovering addicts pain control when they have cancer because of this craziness that gets into my profession. So your instincts on this are good.

So keep an eye on it. You're right. But the way this stuff gets worked through is frankly the legal system and the scientific discourse, which has largely been silenced, but is sort of wakening up again. Well, Dr. Juren, this kind of brings me to the last question, or I mean, kind of just an important question

when it comes to this pain management. What about the, in Canada, the medically assisted suicide? I mean, is that, I mean, is that a good thing? I mean, I would say if you really were, like I feel like, intuitively I feel like I'm against it, but I don't think if you have a mental health disorder, you should go get it, because you have depression, and I see there has been cases where that's happening,

but if you have a terrible cancer that's eating you out from the inside out and you're in pain, the 10 out of 10 every second, then it seems like it might be justifiable in that case. That's right. And so to your point, I think we have it here in California. It's a little cumbersome how you get it,

but it should be something that patients and physicians can get on behalf of the patient. But you're referencing Canada, where people like that woman that got the transverse myelitis from the vaccine who can't get adequate care from the government after they damage her. She now has been repeatedly encouraged

to get assisted suicide, even though she loves life and doesn't want to die and has no interest in that. She just wants help getting about because she has quadriplegia now from the vaccine. And so, yes, the excesses and the, I guess you're getting me quite upset because these excesses,

when things move away from the physician patient and have political energy around them, it's just disturbing. There's no more effective unit than the patient and the physician. Let them figure this shit out. And as much as possible, get it into the hands of the patient to do things with the physician, let them figure this shit out. And as much as possible, get it into the hands

of the patient to do things with the physician's support. Don't come in from on high, don't have a social agency tell you you should consider assisted suicide. Don't have a social worker help you if you're on the streets, because a social worker is not trained to treat drug addicts.

That the most severe drug addicts are on our streets. You can't get any more severe than that than putting you out on the streets and you're dying on the sidewalk. That requires the highest level of psychiatric care. There's no more serious and difficult problem to treat a social worker. God bless them. I love social workers. They're trained to do a lot of things.

Not that. So anyway. Well, Dr. Drew. You got me going. Well, Dr. Drew though, have you seen, I forget the name of the documentary, where they'll give, they'll go find homeless people, they'll give them an apartment

and they'll give them a 1200 bucks a month, you know, universal basic income. And they'll, still three months later, they'll go be on the street because they just want to be on the street. I'm saying they'll have everything. They have a little apartment they can go into, but they'd rather, so what is that when it comes to?

The homeless it's just they want to be out there. They just want to be free They don't even want to take care of an apartment. What is that? That is that is mental illness. That is a Complicated that is my patients the drug addicts want to be on the streets because that's where they get high That's where it's happening. That's where the that's just they're in the party. They're out there doing, they're using their drugs. Schizophrenics get very affected by the four walls. It's hard for them to be in four walls. Look at, watch the movie The Soloist sometime

with Robert Downey Jr. It's a great exploration of how difficult it is. It's a little skewed in his point of view, but it's a great exploration of how difficult it is to treat schizophrenics and how our system fails them so badly, so badly. Hundreds of thousands of people have died, and right now, what do we do in California? We give them the rigs and we give them the opiates,

and that leaves out the understanding that this is a progressive disease in all settings. It progresses to death, and whether it's a nurse administering the heroin or you're giving it to yourself as a junkie. It progresses until death Always that's it and they leave that out and they are killing people. It is negligent manslaughter if not murder Well, I agree with you on that and you look at the fentanyl crisis You know, I lost my good friend Clark Abel's grandson was a host of cheaters died of a fentanyl overdose and it's just like it doesn't seem Clark Abel's grandson was a host of cheaters died of a fentanyl overdose and it's just like it doesn't seem

I'm just saying when the potency of these drugs and I know I'm I'm a little more black pill That means I have a little more of a negative out load not that the world is bad But how could you even have a society dr. Drew with with potent fentanyl that costs five dollars That a kid can just die. I mean, it's just so scary the amount of overdose deaths It's just I feel like it's only going to get worse. Is there going to be a time where there's a million overdose deaths, you know, when the Fentanyl X comes out, and you just have one grain of it, it kills you,

because that's next, isn't it? Isn't that the natural progression of this? There's going to be drugs so strong, you just take it one time, and you instantly die, and people are probably going to take it. I mean, I know that sounds insane, but I would not be, I don't think that that's as far-fetched

as people might think. It is not as far-fetched as people might think. It is not as far-fetched as you might think. It is certainly the way things progress. Your insight in that is good. But what breaks my heart is these are treatable illnesses. These are treatable conditions. But here's, you must create consequences and you must ask addicts to do something.

They have to be urged to do, because in their disease, they don't see what's happening. They want to do one thing, use drugs, that's it. That's all they're interested in, period, end of story. And it's a disorder that makes them that way. But listen, enough of my, on the soap box stuff, people I think know, there's a 950%, 950, say that, put that up there again, Caleb.

950% rise in fentanyl trafficking since 2017. Of course, of course. But, you know, look, my wife would say I suspect China because this is retribution for the opioid, opium wars. Be that as it may, tell me about your show and what you're doing there, what people can find there, and what you're looking forward to talking about, and why people should show up.

Well, thank you, Dr. Drew. Like I said, this is a kind of a surreal moment. It's always a pleasure talking to an iconic figure like yourself. And guys, I'm Primetime Alex Seine. I got a show on the Blaze. You can watch it Tuesday, Wednesdays and Thursdays. And then if you guys want to see me,

I'll be speaking at the Tony Point USA. It's a big event in Tampa, July 9th through the 11th. So other than that, you know, come watch my show. And like I said, Dr. Drew, thank you for all the hard work you put in and continue to do. I don't think there's another guy that works as hard as you in show business, not even Jimmy Kimmel,

not Adam Carolla, none of those guys. I don't think those guys work as hard as you, Dr. Drew. So thank you for having me. It's a real honor. You're very kind. So I'm not done with you. So tell me about Turning Point and can people, are you still doing standup? Oh, yes

I'm speaking I'm speaking. Yes, and I'll be performing on the 29th in Dallas and you can see me on the 21st in Tampa You can go to Alex on 99 on Twitter You can see my dates and guys if you can't find me on the internet You're not looking because I'm you know, I mean I'm the Haitian sensation from Dallas, Texas I was you know I I go in there and I go to these town hall meetings and I confront these politicians And I'll tell you this much starts to being bold I don't these people that are struggling with the you know

Depression and anxiety that are watching this I would tell them this being bold and living unapologetically yourself and trying to take care of yourself You know through exercise and eating healthy those are the four main things that you can do to live a happy life. Because once you start living unapologetically yourself and not worrying about the opinions of others like you did during the COVID, I feel like it truly gives you freedom

and it gives you purpose and makes your life feel a lot more gratifying. So I encourage people to do that. So yeah, I hear you saying two things, is find your meaning and lean into it and live authentically, whichically which has always been you know every philosopher is certain of the existentialists certainly have Advocated that authenticity is is the key goal to living. I

Agree, and that's the thing is people wanted they try to fake it They worry about their peers and the opinions and I think the pandemic actually helped people break out of their shell. And it helped, listen, it helped a lot of people. It hurt a lot of people that this is so crazy as I lost my mother. And I do think that it was a net benefit that we learned a lot from this and that me being a little paranoid earlier, I actually do think that the next time they try to do this,

it's gonna be a lot different outcome and they're not gonna be able to do the same kind of bamboozle and trickery that they did on us in the last few minutes. I hope so. And it also exposed the depths of what's going on in the bureaucratic entanglements in Washington and how wrongheaded so many of those things are.

And one last thing about the upcoming pandemic. Look, we had H1N1 10 years before COVID, and the Obama administration elected not to make a big deal out of it. They let the CDC advise physicians, they did their pandemic preparedness, and it killed 300,000 people and ran its course. I had it, it was brutal.

H1N1 was brutal. And what I kept saying when COVID broke out is, why do you have to shut the world down for this one while we just had one 10 years ago and you don't even realize it happened? You had no idea it happened, but it was a bad pandemic. We had one and you're not aware of it. Isn't there an intermediate zone where we could go

and protect the vulnerable and take reasonable precautions? All those things that the Great Barrington Declaration suggested, which seemed like reasonable alternatives and ended up being something that was worthy of a quote, devastating takedown, devastating takedown. Fauci, Francis Collins words to Fauci about Jay Bhattacharya. Well guys, Jay is now in charge of the NIH. Let's see what that, what do they call them?

Fringe epidemiologists can do for us. It's, you make me, Alex, you get me all worked up. This is, I'm not usually this agitated. I know, I'm running out of time. I get the energy going, Dr. Drew. I know how to mix things up, but you know, you're a reality TV superstar, so quit, don't even act like, you know what I mean?

You know how to turn it on and off. You're a superstar, but this is the one thing is there's a true one thing I keep saying the one thing I'm passionate and you're passionate So I think that's why when we're on together that energy comes together and it becomes synergistic like when Tom Seiser would do cocaine and heroin very synergistic. I Don't necessarily want you to continue that analogy, but let's do Interesting. I don't necessarily want you to continue that analogy, but let's do it together again.

I'll leave the analogy, rest in peace. I love Tom Sizemore, no disrespect. But you know what I mean, we're that, we're the speed ball metaphor. I won't leave it here. You can call us the speed ball. I think calling us the speed ball is a reasonable thing. All right, okay, my friend, we'll talk to you very soon.

There's even, there's talk of me coming to Dallas to somebody who just proposed, So I might even do that. So I come to you in person. Yeah. And we'll have you on all the shows. We'll roll out the red carpet, Dr. Drew, if you could come to the Blaze Studios in Las Galenas. It's beautiful.

The old Paramount Studios where they filmed JFK with Oliver Stone, Adam Stanley values. We'll roll out the red carpet if you come to North Texas or we'd love it to have you in Dallas. All right. All right, I want to try to do that, my friend. Guy, good to talk to you. Thank you for being here.

Appreciate it very much. See ya. Cheers. All right, let me just click a little bit, look at your guys. I'm looking at Mandingo is a Alex fan. Thank you for that. I'm also looking at the rants.

You guys are active today, but you're going off in different directions that I don't quite understand. Sorry, Janice, Janice Perkins, we didn't tell you the show was early today. We don't want to do a show on Friday. We did announce it yesterday, but do check it out. It was an interesting conversation with Alex

and we do have a show coming up on Tuesday. However, in addition to the active skin repair guy, I don't think, has Emily booked that yet? I know there were several people possible. I think she's, she's working on who's going to be on the show that day. She's very particular. And so we'll have somebody no doubt on there.

There's Mark Cienchisi, who is the guy that really pointed at the fact that social ill is always done in the name of good. And then DC Drano, Salty Cracker, this is all next week. And then Dr. Benaki coming in to talk about her new study and how difficult she had getting it published, even though it was a very, very interesting and important study. All right, thank you all for being here.

I don't think I have anything else. Caleb, do you have anything else on? I want to make sure I check with it. Yeah, go ahead. Let's go back to the start. Go put on your love line hat and give some advice for these two alpha males, two of the most powerful men on the planet right now.

How can they, let's assume that this is a real feud and it's not five or six D chess going on here. What can these guys do to repair this relationship? I would tell Donald Trump to sit tight and think about all the good he's done and the affectionate relationship they had that can easily be restored. Something is wrong, something has happened.

Let's give Elon a chance to reconstitute. And then on Elon's side, you need a full evaluation. We gotta find what's going on there. Something happened, something changed, and it's not just about the threat of debt, and it's not just about his subsidies being pulled, though I'm sure that may have sort of triggered some of this. That may have been the kindling for it.

Something else is going on, I humbly believe. And Elon Musk, I don't know him, but I'm the biggest fan and I do believe he'll come through this. Okay. So with that, I'll see you next Tuesday at two o'clock Pacific time. Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Caleb nation and Susan Pinsky. As a reminder, the discussions here are not a substitute for medical care, diagnosis or treatment. This show is intended for educational and informational purposes only. I am a licensed physician,

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