Ask Dr. Drew - Twitter Files: How Secret Blacklists & Censoring Experts Hid The Truth About COVID – Ask Dr. Drew – Episode 156

Episode Date: December 30, 2022

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And welcome, everybody. We appreciate you being here. We are out there on Twitter spaces where we will be taking your calls as usual. Today, it's really kind of an ask me anything, though there are some themes I want to get into. Because things seem to be stirred up on Twitter, I wanted to sort of... I've done this a couple times in the last few weeks, but I want to do this one more time. I want to sort of recap what we know, what we don't know, areas of concern, things we should be hopefully learning more about. And I also want to make clear my position on so many things that gets distorted every which way. I want to thank Elon Musk for liking our announcement today. And for taking the verified sign off Kelly Victory, the fake Kelly Victory's Twitter profile.

And really one of the things I want to get into with the Twitter spaces is why is it so threatening? Why is it threatening to have transparency? And what is the evidence of certain language causing certain kinds of harm? And where did that come from? We'll get into that and more. Let's just get right to the intro here. We'll get right to it. Our laws as it pertained to substances are draconian and bizarre.

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troll yeah i i got an email back from twitter and they said oh there's no violation here and i so i looked up the rules and i said hey this is this is what it says you shouldn't do which is to pretend to be somebody you're not and uh that was at like 6 30 this morning and i we just realized that the verified sign is gone so now kelly can rest a little easier well she's been pretty upset about this because she got kicked off twitter and she's been you know somebody's been on there saying that they were her and they were saying crazy things. So, um, and we started getting involved, like they started pulling our avatars in and our, you know, our Twitter in.

And I just said, you know, this is, this just doesn't look good for her. So, and I didn't really realize she had this problem until like two weeks ago. Well, he came after us too with the usual nonsense but more importantly this is somebody it might be a she we're not sure this is somebody masquerading as a physician and then rendering opinions as a physician that is a that is a violation of multiple laws so more spewing just like trump like quotes and and calling people names and doing weird stuff. It was not medical help, but just saying that it's her, saying that.

And people were like, oh, my God, are you the Kelly Victory on the Dr. Drew show? And she's like, you know, yes, I am. And Kelly will be in here tomorrow. Right, that's an explicit misappropriation of presenting herself. I think the verification was what really bothered Kelly the most, because there are other people out there, but this one person was able to get verified somehow, which is pretty interesting. Kelly will be here on Wednesday with Dr. David Weissman. We'll be continuing the conversation and continuing our commitment to trying to talk to people

who have outlying opinions, who have been sort of silenced in various ways. I think we'll learn more about what that was on Twitter and how that happened. To me, it's so odd. I mean, there's so many, as you know, I'm always confused about things, and this is another area of confusion. Throughout my career, we never called outlying opinions misinformation. We called them inaccurate. We called them wrong or unjustified or doesn't follow from the evidence. And then we would say, thank you. That's very interesting. We would call them interesting. And thank you for making us all think and clarifying our own positions. And we would go on. We wouldn't have any desire to silence or sidelines or crush or all the crazy acting out that has gone on

against people who've had differing opinions. And nine times out of 10, what you are seeing in social media, you're going to find out when the information finally flows. It's a distortion. So there's a video out there that's flown around forever of me downplaying the infectivity and the seriousness of COVID. Now, I did that for two weeks, and I was wrong. I got the seriousness in the elderly population wrong. My point was I could see the panic that the press was inducing. I did not know at the time that the government was using fear as a policy, but I couldn't understand it. And I still don't understand why they would ever use such a thing, but they were. And that was upsetting. And I knew panic could only make

things worse and that the panic would have profound deleterious effects. It would cause people to choose policies and procedures that would have untoward consequences. And lo and behold, we saw all of that play out. So I was trying to get people to calm down by comparing it. It was the wrong thing to do. But what I was trying to do is compare it to H1N1. H1N1 was a terrible illness, horrible, killed 300,000 people, and you don't even know it happened. You couldn't even tell me when it happened. And my point simply was, look, there's no COVID here now. Calm down. We went through H1N1, killed hundreds of thousands of people, but we didn't destroy ourselves over it. This one's going to be worse. It's going to be bad, but try to calm yourself. Well,

God forbid you say something like that. Now, the other thing I always said at the end of every statement, I said, make sure you just, because this is a hard part for me. This is another thing I got wrong. I kept saying, just listen to the CDC and listen to Dr. Fauci because Dr. Fauci had been a shining light in my career. I still have a hard time believing that he was adulterated anyway. I do believe at the end of the day he will be sort of exonerated in some way because my whole career his judgment has been exquisite and he's been an absolute, I mean, a sort of extreme inspiration.

Maybe it just got bigger than him, Drew. Or maybe he made some bad calls or maybe his biases. Maybe he made mistakes. He's just not willing to admit it like you. Well, the two biases I can see with him are that he was persuaded by the Chinese Communist Party, huge error. That should be acknowledged as an error. And then he has a tendency to use fear.

As I think back now in the AIDS pandemic, he was encouraging us all to use fear a bit, not as over the top as during this pandemic, but he has a tendency to want to do that. So that's interesting to me. Now, the unfortunate reality is no one ever plays the tape of me talking about the CDC and Dr. Fauci. So Caleb, how long did it take you to put this together? Literally, I pulled all of these together within 10 minutes. I found this, so there could be hundreds of other clips. Of course, the fake news, the stuff that goes around

on Twitter and whatnot, are highly edited versions of what I said that make it look like I'm saying, go home, it'll be nothing, don't worry about it. As opposed to what I was saying was, calm down, let's try to compare it to another pandemic where it killed hundreds of thousands of people and how we were able to get through that. And you did great. And by the way, listen to the CDC and listen to Dr. Fauci, which was always cut out of everything I said. And yet you'll see from this, I just- Listen to the CDC, listen to Anthony Fauci. Take his direction. Do what they tell you.

And we're all going to be fine. Follow Dr. Fauci's advice. Follow the CDC's advice. We will be fine. Stop listening to the press. Listen to the CDC. Listen, Dr. Fauci. And although the vaccines aren't specific for Omicron, it gives us that cellular immunity that does reduce the risk of severe illness. You want my position? Pro-vaccine. Listen to the CDC. Let Dr. Fauci be your North Star. I said that a thousand times. I did. I said it a thousand times, and Caleb, in 10 minutes,

we'll be able to just pull that together. But now everybody hates you for that. Well, now I'll get hate from that, too. So isn't that interesting? So you can't win. So the lesson here is, if you're going to be moderate and you're going to take certain positions, you're going to be wrong some of the time and you're going to take hate from both sides. So in terms of listening

to Dr. Fauci, it's not that I don't understand what people's criticisms of Dr. Fauci are. I do get it. Elon Musk is particularly considered that he worried that he might have adulterated himself under oath. Certainly, he allowed his biases enter into some of his decision-making, but I don't know. I still think he was a very difficult situation. And really, the excesses of COVID

were perpetrated by the states, to be fair, and then local governments. Oh, good. MERS may be going around Qatar at the World Cup, according to Andriash Kozvili. What's that? MERS is a terrible coronavirus that causes, it's very bad. It's not nearly as infective as some of these other ones,

but it's a bad one. So let's hope that's not true. Oy vey, indeed. That is an oy ve ve uh so i want to having said that i'm going to look at the and then we also our condolences go out to saloon gounder who yes lost her husband this week right uh we know yeah he was the soccer journalist who died suddenly at the after the game in Qatar. Yeah.

My suspicion is he was already having heart failure by what was being described he was suffering from to begin with. Now, here's the big question that's got to be answered by somebody somehow. How much of the sudden death we're seeing and the increase in phenomenon related to endovascular inflammation, how much of that is COVID, how much of that is vaccine? That has to be answered. And no one has answered that. All that's happening is people are denying that it has anything to do with the vaccine. I don't think you can deny that any longer. The question is, what is the relative risk, right? If we find out that most of this is due to COVID somehow, plus there are concerns now that COVID is affecting T cell function long-term

and may be contributing to a phenomenon that people think they might be seeing is that cancers are presenting more aggressively or more advanced cases, that would be from the COVID, not from the vaccine. So if we are convinced that the COVID is causing the endovascular information, the COVID is causing these sudden deaths, and the possible increase in the effect of oncological processes, then it may be worth the risk of taking the vaccine, even if the vaccine causes myocarditis at the rate we think it's causing it.

So these are relative risk questions that have got to be answered, and no one seems to be answering them. I don't know why there isn't a rush to answer these questions rather than a rush to just sort of defend one side or the other. It's what's the relative risk here? And really, we're talking about younger males, right? Younger males in the, say, 17 to 35 year old age group clearly have the myocarditis risk. The question is at what incidence and what should we do to reduce it? And is getting further boosters making that incidence worse? One of the

other concerns I have is that we know that even when you get vaxxed and boosted, you still get the infection. It doesn't prevent infection. It doesn't prevent transmission. People seem not to be able to get their head around this. And thus, you're getting the risk of the vaccine and the risk of COVID. So if both are causing these problems, having additive effects of both, now if we can find the research that says, well, taking the vaccine dramatically reduces the risk of COVID itself, having those complications that we're worried about,

well, now we're back in the game again. I'm similarly confused about treating under the age of five. We had the molecular biologist in here last week who talked to me about how he was vaccinating his child and that there's a more exuberant vaccine response in younger children, and that there have been essentially no side effects documented. And there have been something like 500 deaths of children, from what I'm hearing, not healthy children, but OK, somewhere in the pediatric, younger pediatric age groups. Again, this data is hard to kind of sort through.

That is compared to 6,000 deaths from measles. Now, I've told this biologist that I'm not a pediatrician, so I don't know what these relative risks are. Again, it's the relative risk. From the beginning of this pandemic, risk-reward has been something that has been tossed out the window, and it feels like we're doing the same thing again. Let me just look at your guys' comments on the restream here.

Yeah, okay, you guys are being reasonable there. So the other thing... Yeah, shocking indeed. The other thing that people don't seem to be getting their head around, in addition to the fact that the vaccine doesn't cause you to not get the infection nor not be transmittable, But the notion of endemic, I've had multiple people recently say to me, oh, I thought I wasn't going to get COVID

and lo and behold, I got it. It's endemic. We all are going to get it more than once. That's what endemicity really means. It's going to get all of us for the most part. I don't want to say that with categorical certainty, but for the most part, it means we all get it. We all get it more than once. That's what endemic means. And so this notion that somehow you're a sinner or you didn't practice. They seem so shamed. Last week,

somebody said, I got it. I can't believe it. That's so bizarre. And then she goes, I can't believe I got it. I was really sick. And I was like, everybody's, I've had it twice. Like, it's okay. You're going to be fine. It's so bizarre. I know. It's funny though. And I was really sick and I was like, everybody's, I've had it twice, it's okay, you're gonna be fine. It's so bizarre. I know, it's funny though. And I was also, I was thinking about something the molecular biologist said last week. He was talking about how there's a theory

that the Paxlovid rebound is not Paxlovid but merely the inflammatory phase of COVID. You know how people talk about the cytokine storm? Well, you notice we haven't been talking about that so much lately because it doesn't happen very much. Really, in the vaccinated, it doesn't happen, but it doesn't happen from Omicron, more importantly. Omicron really doesn't do that.

So I started thinking, oh, the idea that rebound on Paxlovid in the treatment of Omicron is somehow the cytokine storm activation a week later? No, no, that's just not true. It is a reactivation of the virus, and I have a concern that it may also affect immune function somehow because I'm seeing people get reinfected very quickly if I've treated them with Paxlovid. Paxlovid works, make no mistake about it.

If somebody's getting really sick, you can prevent them from having complications. You give them the Paxlovid. But the rebound is kind of nasty and it kind of drags on. And as I told him on Friday or Thursday, whatever it was, it doesn't have the clinical features of the cytokine storm at all. All right. Somebody on Rumble said, stop testing and then it'll just be the flu.

Well, interesting. You won't feel like you're a criminal for getting sick. Yeah. So really my main concern is to call me anti-vax is bizarre. I vaccinate all my elderly patients. They're all boosted. It's clear to me what I'm doing there, as I've said repeatedly. I have concerns in the young adult males. You give me a flu shot every year. Yep. Give me a flu shot. I'm pushing you to get your damn shingles vaccine, which you haven't gotten yet. We've got the Prevnar and the new Vax.

Oh, yeah. I got to do that. Yep. And so it's- I'm not old enough, Drew. It's bizarre to me to say that by refining our deployment of a vaccine is somehow anti-vax. Now, people are upset that I talk to people like Robert Kennedy, who are anti-vax, are anti-vax. And it's not reflective of my opinion. Rob Schneider. Yeah, Rob Schneider. You're good friends with him, but we don't care. Yeah, that's fine.

He can have his opinion. I'll listen to it. It's interesting. Jenny McCarthy, you're friends with her. Yeah, fine. You shouldn't talk to them. No, I'm kidding. What's that?

I said you shouldn't talk to them. To who? Those people. No, you're friends with people that are anti-vaxxers, and they have their choice. We know a lot of people that haven't had the vaccine. Here's Robert Kennedy's post on vaccine therapy. He is sort of over-the-top concerned, though,

about some of this stuff. And I get it. I understand what he's talking about. And he's concerned about the cozy relationship between the regulators and the administrators at these big drug companies. And I wasn't that aware of that. And that is a concern that at least biases some of the decision making. And certainly some of the behavior at the FDA recently has been odd. Now, I think some of it, yeah, people are getting shingles, shadow man,

that's true. Let's see what some of the people are saying. Yes, he said he'singles, Shadow Man. That's true. Let's see what some people are saying. Yes, he said he's not anti-vax. Did you see that tweet from Jimmy Kimmel today? No, what was that? Be careful with the pronoun thing. What? No, he said he told Elon he was an asshole.

No, yes, right. That's right. I was like, is that i am deeply confused about all this consternation around elon france with him too i mean i'm assuming he's telling us the truth when he says there's a reduction in hate what i have noticed is people that have been spewing hate at me for the last 18 months suddenly are getting a little feedback of their own and they can't they can't deal with it. So I thought, isn't that interesting that the people that actually were the ones, no, it is interesting, right? And they're like, I'm getting this. Now you know how it feels.

Like, yeah, I'm sorry. The hate has been there all the time. It just wasn't going your direction because of the way the algorithm were working. Now it's going more equitably. It's going, you guys like equity? Well, this is equity. It's, it's being spread around and you don't have to stay here, but I wish people would. And I think that it's worth continuing to slug it out and try to get to a place of the truth. I'm just really glad that Twitter never banned you because they stayed, we did Periscope. We did, I mean, you lost a lot of followers. I think a lot of those were bots, but it, because everything changed pretty radically, but it was, it was nice to know that we didn't get censored there. We did on YouTube, but not. So it, by the way, it didn't take long for people

already to start calling me a shill for the drug companies by being willing to vaccinate elderly patients to their benefit, by the way, it's worked, it's worked rather well. How, how much longer we continue to boost, I am not clear on that at all. That is a tough, you know, there's some data now that shows you're more likely to get COVID right after the vaccine. And it's like, it's all concerning. It's not clear. And now I understand why we rush to bring these things to market.

I get it. We were in an emergency and I was all for it. I got COVID the first time trying to get the vaccine myself. And so, look, there was unusual circumstances, unusual risks were taken. I got it. No problem. But why the extreme positions now, when we can start to get more nuanced about what we're doing, that to me is

disturbing. So we'll see. We'll see. I certainly am still against mandates of all types. That's been the case from the beginning. The reason being is that vaccine mandates create an outgroup. I think we've finally gotten rid of the discriminatory passports. I think people understand that they are discriminatory. And we mostly got rid of that. As we have discovered, you still have to have vaccine to get in this country from, say, Canada, from other countries, which seems still discriminatory to me. Again, these people are no more infectious than anybody else. And packs live and work, so it's not like they're going to end up in the hospital.

So I don't understand why we wouldn't allow people to come in who had not been vaccinated. They need to come into the country again. I did get some information, though, from Katie, Dr. Honorable Katie Sullivan. She said that in January, they're not going to pass Biden's bill unless they stop the mandates,

travel mandates. Which bill are they going to pass? I don't know. It's in January, though. All right. Interesting. She's going to follow up and find out. All right. So fine.

So whoever sent me that email, I looked into it for you. That could happen in January, hopefully. And then mask mandates do not work. There have been two major studies. They do not work. Now, do masks work? Yeah. You can protect yourself a little bit with an N95 worn perfectly. You have to think of it the way I would wear it when I walked into a room

with a patient with active TB or an active pathogen that we didn't want to get out of the room. I would seal, it would be fitted, and it would not come off until I was no longer anywhere near any exposure. So that kind of use of the N95 is the only way to protect yourself. Otherwise, you're sort of wasting time. If you take the mask off to eat the Chex mix that you get on the Southwest flight or the Diet Coke, what are you doing? Why are you bothering? It's just so silly that we are not doing it properly. And that's part of the reason I think the mask mandates don't work is because the mask mandates, nobody wears them effectively enough, and people wear the cloth masks, all these things that just do not work.

All right. So I want to get to calls. As I said, when your hands are up, I will get to you. And when you come up to the podium, you'll be streaming on multiple platforms. We can really talk about anything you wish. The question really we put up was why people are so freaked out about the attempt to get more transparency on Twitter. To me, that seems like a very noble thing. Now, the pushback tends to be that there is more hate speech, which objectively that does not seem to be true,

or that people are harmed in some way by the speech. Now, I think we've gone way too far with that notion. We have to have really further evidence that people are actually harmed by common discourse. The fact that we have common discourse should not be something that is censored, that is discriminated, that is silenced in some way because of fear. If you watch, if you look at the Twitter files, I don't know if you guys have seen at least what has been presented by Barry Weiss. There's Barry Weiss. There they are. They build blacklists. They prevent disfavored tweets from trending. They actively limit the visibility of entire accounts. That's just some people who are randomly, at their own whim, concerned that something could be... The one that got me, I don't know if you saw, yeah, Jay Bhattacharya, of course, there's what happened to him, which is... To me, that's the poster child for the excesses and the

incompetence. There it is. To silence that guy, that's incompetent. That's disgusting. But there was another one where somebody was making a joke, and the joke was solid, and they went, could be construed, could be construed and hurt people. I thought, okay, now we're in crazyville again. Now this could be construed and could hurt people. You're going to have to show me evidence for that, unfortunately. And I'm going to tell you, in the world of mental health,

when people are fearful of something, dysregulated by something, exposure therapy is how we treat them. We teach that if it's just social interaction or words that people use, we expose them and teach them how to manage that, regulate themselves, and respond to that effectively with efficacy. That's what we should be doing with people rather than having them hide in safe spaces. That is the opposite of mental health. And so I've had concerns about this for a long, long time. And I am in no way taking on any groups or any particular aspects of speech. This applies to everybody in all topics. But if there are people that have evidence that there's something I should be aware of, well, there's a dog under here, let's discuss it. So I want to get to the

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And whatnot. And a physician asked a really interesting question on Twitter. He goes, all right, let me ask you. They paused the J&J vaccine for nine deaths from thrombocytopenic purpur. It's a concept of coagulopathy. So there were nine deaths from the Johnson & Johnson vaccine. And yet there's concern about tens of thousands of deaths in myocarditis from the mRNA vaccine.

And we're supposed to ignore that. That's a solid question. That's the kind of thing that it's very weird to me. It's just so weird that these kinds of imbalances exist and that people defend one or the other. It's like, let's go solve the problem, everybody. Let's go figure this out. All right, I'm going to get the calls.

All right, here we go. Sorry about all that rambling, but I appreciate you listening. Let's see. This is John. Let's get John up here. There we are. John, go right ahead. You got to unmute yourself. Everyone remember that? It's the little microphone there. You can see it here. By the the way caleb get me some more of that dfs uh oh it's on the way can you solve okay oh yeah because i'm out i i rub it everywhere hey john john nope you're muted again you were unmuted there he is john i feel a presence

john i may have to put your back in the pool. It's moving. The little dots are moving. Is that what that means? Yeah. It's unmuted. Up, up, off, on, off, on. Oh, no.

Oh, that sucks. Oh, how's this? There you are. hear you blinker what's that john how do you take a blinker how do you take a blinker well that's not making oh guess what what do you blink it how do you bull okay twitter spaces was muted on my phone, on my board. So it was not his fault. Well, it was okay. He was also a troll, I think. Anyways, they missed the whole spiel. I'm sorry over on TwitterSpaces, but we're here now.

So if you have any questions, hit us up. Let's bring a colleague up here to continue to see if we can get some more good ideas and questions. Go ahead, sir. Am I on? You're on. You are on. Hey, Dr. Drew. How are you you thanks for having me again you bet um so i'll make a comment before i continue the philosophical discussion question ask please so the gentleman you had on last week um the the guy who was talking about

the you know he was going to uh vaccinate or he had vaccinated his kids. Yes. He spoke about how, you know, he rattled out of a bunch of statistics. And I just wanted to make a point that a lot of this sort of, you know, we have this multisystem inflammatory syndrome. Yeah. What do you do that is ascribed to COVID? Yeah. The problem is we are we've entered a new era where we're testing so many

people for COVID. But remember, in the past, we were not running DFAs or PCRs for every time you saw an inflammatory syndrome. We didn't even know what we were looking at. We were like, well, this is macrophage activating syndrome. This is this, but we didn't have the tools at our disposal. So I think there's a confirmation bias that goes into- So let me put a finer point on it. So the multisystem inflammatory thing is something we've seen forever. It's now starting to look like more explicitly

a post-viral syndrome. And now we have it linked to this one condition, but not necessarily at a higher rate than other viruses. We just don't have that data yet. Exactly. So in retrospect, we'll never know what the previous ones were. Now, going forward, we can do a PCR for COVID anytime we want. So I thought that was a point that was probably being missed. He did two things he said that jumped out at me a little bit that I was not really aware of. One was that other examples of myocarditis from vaccine therapies

tend to be very limited without sequelae. I'd never heard that before. Not necessarily from this vaccine, but other vaccines. And that the very young tend to have a more exuberant, persistent immune response to the vaccine. tend to have a more exuberant, persistent immune response to the vaccine. So that's just more interesting information. What exactly we would do with it, I'm not sure yet.

Right, right. And he also, you know, as you know, the whole myocarditis is tip of the iceberg. We really don't know what's happening to majority of the people who are not seeking medical care. And, you know, the long-term data is really not, I mean, it's not the same as prescribing an antihypertensive, enrolling 50,000 patients and seeing what happens to them over 10 years. That's absolutely correct. And I saw a cardiologist on Twitter the other day, he said, like two days ago, he said, please stop calling this mild. I'm seeing tons of scar,

myocardial scar-related arrhythmias, and that's what I've been seeing. Lots of that. I think that's what it is anyway. We haven't really documented it that way, but it seems like that. And so, yeah, that's not mild. I would not want to have an ablative therapy.

I would not want to be on a full anticoagulation and have ablation, have somebody stuck a wire in my heart and risk stroke at the age of 35. Precisely. I mean, yeah, and that's, you know, when we say mild, that's like, that's when a doctor says it's mild. It's mild in what I see. Yeah. If you show me a study of 100,000 people followed over 10 years, then I'm like, yeah, this is mild. But if you're giving me

50 people in a cohort that, you know, whatever, you've seen them over a year, I'm like, well, my mild and your mild, you know, there's not only a subjectivity, but there's also, you know, who made the diagnosis and what happened, you know. So, we have to be really careful with anything that happens to the heart and anything that happens to the brain. Those are like the two sacrosanct promises. I totally agree with you. Yep. I totally agree with you.

Yep. That's right. And to your point, I've been thinking about what you've said and I've been thinking about actually for a few weeks now. I mean, what really is the single most important duty of a physician? You know, from everything that we do. Do no harm. Do no harm and maintain patient autonomy that is yes that's the single most sacred thing i can do because i am acutely aware of my limitations how much i know how much i can do and how much i can help

so look it's i'm i blanked your name is chauvin chau. Chauvin? Yes. Chauvin. Again, that that has been trashed is just mysterious to me. It's bizarre that the most cherished, not just even ethically important principles, but the very essence of medicine has been tossed aside in the name of some of these things. That's why I like talking to guys like Dr. Cariotti. He was a bioethicist, and he had to lose his job and everything because what was happening was not ethical. And he was the head of the bioethics department, and so they just fired him. Exactly. The basis of our profession is the ability to maintain your patient autonomy. And how do you maintain your patient's autonomy without freedom of speech? Oh, my God. And I'm reminded of the immortal words of Frederick Douglass, who said that not allowing freedom of speech is a violation of the rights, not only of the speaker,

but of the hearer. So, you know, if you can't speak freely, are you truly then not in violation of your patient's autonomy? If I can't say something to my patient that I want to and vice versa, I mean, that is, that erodes the very basis of the patient doctor relationship, right. I mean, that erodes the very basis of the patient-doctor relationship, right? Are you in California? Are you in California? That's where we're being very much challenged on that front. Yes. And I'm on the East Coast, and it's probably not as bad. But I think this is, again, this is a systemic issue where there used to be a time when we could tell our patients, well, you know, this is what the guidelines say, but you don't have to do it because I think we'll see you back in six months.

Let's have a discussion. Yeah, we'll make this decision. We'll make this decision together over time. Yeah, no problem. And are you aware of Robert Hutcherson's prayer? Have you heard of it? I don't think so. What is it?

Okay. So I was fortunate. I went to med school when I was 18, and I was fortunate to learn this in the first year. And if you don't mind, I'd like to take just a minute to read it. Okay, do it. Because I think this is, everybody should listen to this, because this is my ethos, and I sincerely hope other people know about it. So it says, science before art, and cleverness before common sense. From treating patients as cases and from making the cure of disease more grievous than the endurance of the same, good Lord, deliver us.

This goes right at the heart of the craziness of this idea of misinformation and certain things being unacceptable. It's not biological. It's not how medicine is practiced. You can't have it's all one way or the other. There's an evidence base for what we choose, but ultimately we're choosing based on our clinical judgment that is supported by the evidence, not dictated by the evidence. No.

And I come from a family of physicians and I still have the books that my mother got from her uncle. And if I read those books, I laugh because I'm like, man, what was evidence-based in those days is now basically firmly entrenched in the realm of quackery. I mean, that's what's going to happen five years from now. That's what's going to happen 10 years from now. And so every time we have this extreme swelling of pride saying, you know, I am an evidence-based clinician. I'm like, that's what I think till some young whippersnapper is going to come along and say, you're an idiot, old man. And you just laugh it off.

Yeah. Listen, as always, I appreciate your point of view and thank you for being here yeah i really kind of got me emotionally because that's uh it's it's it's just so sad that we can't do what we're trained to do in this idea of it it's it's not the same kind of hard science that we pretend it is uh let's get well and dr badacharian was invited to meet Elon Musk to discuss the… Hello? Hi, Catherine. Hang on one second.

One second. What's that Susan just said? Well, he came on our show and told us how his life was changed radically because of his point of view. And finally, I guess he was on one of the blacklists, right? There it is right here. That's why we had him on the show originally. Kayla put it is right here. That's why we had him on the show originally. Caleb put it up. It's nice

to hear because he's such a smart guy. Notice, this says strike count zero, and yet they have him on a trends blacklist already. This is the part that was... My word of the week is egregious, if you've noticed. Drew, I've said that a hundred times to you in text

this week. This is egregious that if you've noticed, Drew. I've said that a hundred times to you in text this week. This is egregious that you would take someone who was an expert. You can't say trust the experts and then exclude someone like Dr. Bhattacharya. That's what doesn't click with me. Well, it's egregious, but my word of the year is confused. I'm confused by the people who say this is nothing. I just am so confused by that. And let's be super clear.

I'm no expert on the First Amendment, but the First Amendment since the First World War has been adapted and reinterpreted a number of ways. It was originally adapted on behalf of the First World War, essentially conscientious objectors, and they were being called treason, treasonous for, you know, suggesting the war was unjust, but their right to say so was upheld and multiple other incarnations, suits, you know, whatever interpretations. And now the standard is not only is it about the government withholding the right, the community cannot hold the right of speech. That is considered a violation. That's in one of the more recent

interpretations. And so anybody who says it's not the government of it. That's in one of the more recent interpretations. And so anybody who says, it's not the government, yeah, yeah. But the government was in there a little bit, and that's kind of weird and awful, but it doesn't have to be the government. Alexis de Tocqueville recognized this problem in 1822. He said, America has the highest level of privilege of free speech and the lowest actualized practice because of what he called the public square. And the public square. And that public square freedom has been increasingly enhanced through interpretations of the Supreme Court. And now it's pretty well protected, but that has been trampled by Twitter. Why is that not kind of outrageous or egregious to other people? Catherine, go ahead.

Hi, doctor. So as I'm having my second bout of COVID, actually something came to mind. I think what they've done by demonizing the drugs that shall not be named, we are going now in the direction of what they were so concerned with by outlawing abortion, which is my girlfriend gave me pills that she got from Mexico. My own doctor said, go ahead and take it. And I am because my sister in Europe, when she got COVID, she was given Plaquenil, which is the brand name for hydroxy. And I'm looking at the pill today. Really the question is what happened to my body, my choice? Where'd that go? I'm looking at the pill that she brought in going, where did she get this from? What is this laced with? I mean,

we're doing this underground again. And then with AB 2098, my doctor can't even speak freely in an exchange with me. And now I'm wondering, how are they planning to enforce this? So if I go to my doctor's office in January, are they going to record this on video? Well, there is fear amongst the physicians that they'll either get targeted, like some will come in and document, you know, some doctor who is using these medications, or that they will be disgruntled for some reason and then use it as, you know, a way to get back at that physician. I miss Dr. Zelenko. You miss Dr. Zelenko? Yeah. What brought that up all of brought that up i don't know somebody somebody emailed and said they wanted to know about some um um oh god some what do they call it the uh doctors you know when they do their oh shit my brain is broken today but anyways he i looked into i scrolled into the whatsapp he had like a

whatsapp thing with a bunch of people and me and he has all these links to if back into 2020 i mean he's been he probably sent me something every day and i was scrolling through it and i was like gosh he was so right from the beginning like he's right in a lot of respects he went kind of over the top i know but he predicted it at the very beginning he hated fauci but um it was like i just read through that today and i was like god i wish you know send it to me let me see how much of it you have to go on my what's i'd have to send you know that nobody literally nobody got it all right all the time. Okay. And that's the way these moving targets are. That's why Chauvin and I were just saying, it's an art. We're trying to figure it out as we go many times. He was a good doctor. He was a good doctor. He was a very caring doctor,

very caring guy. And that's 80% of the job, really. Winston. Hey, Dr. Drew. Real quick, just wanted to touch on the first point that you said um and this is almost just to clear my conscience okay so the beginning of covid um my guy was completely freaked out seeing videos coming out of wuhan the media is not talking about it looks like world war z over there and this is at the time when you were saying, you know, it's no big deal. Calm down, settle down. And,

um, I'd sent you some shitty tweet and I'm sure you didn't see it, but it was something we probably did. We saw a lot of shitty, shitty. I saw it. It was, it was shitty in the fact that like you were telling people to fly.

And I was like, Oh, good job. Look again. Did I block you? No, Twitter. You are welcome here, my friend. Look what you, again. Did I block you? No. Twitter ended up doing it later. But you are welcome here, my friend. It's all good. At any rate. I understand. I understand.

It just reminds me of John Maynard Keynes, one of my favorite quotes. He's in a debate and the guy says, well, you used to say this. And he looks at him and says, well, as the facts change, so does my opinion. What do you do, sir? yeah so exactly um but i figured i wanted to the question i wanted to ask you is maybe uh kind of strap on the tinfoil a little bit did you see um again because my only critique would be it seems like and it's got to just be from your decades of experience with fauci but you're seeing so resistance i am it's a bias you know it's a bias it's a bias. I'm happy to tell you it's a bias. It's a bias built on all that experience, right? And so he's been so exquisitely helpful

all these years. I understand he's been adulterated. I understand where people are critical of him. I get why they're critical. I'm emotionally having a hard time letting go because I always feel like, first of all, his exquisite guidance over all these years deserves the benefit of the doubt, number one. But the other is, I feel like people tend to revert to the mean, and I keep expecting him to go back to his mean. And he's been a little bit, lately, I see it, I get it, I understand what people are concerned about. Elon Musk is concerned about it. He felt that he had been, uh, maybe, you know, less than truthful and under oath a couple of times. And he certainly has been

obfuscating quite a bit, right? When you go, Dr. Fauci, you're telling us you can't, we cannot gather in large crowds. And yet if we're going to go demonstrate, you're saying that's okay. And he goes, I don't know what you're talking about. Well, he, of course he knew what they were talking about. So that's the kind of thing that I get it. I get the obfuscation is hard to deal with. But I also get this was an extremely, just like you're saying, it's an extremely difficult time. Lots of people made calls that maybe they wouldn't make under different circumstances. But thankfully, it's not up to me to be the judge and jury for this man.

That's for sure. Well, and just looking, I mean, again, like he's got to almost have like a kind of a borderline father figure role to you considering you were so young when you were working with him. I mean, that's, who knows what it would take to kind of break that bias on there. Well, it goes in and out. When I talk to Mr. Carolla, I'm, you know, he really, he really doesn't like him. And I go, yeah, okay, okay, okay. I get it. I get it.

I get it. And so I'll go along with him. But then emotionally, when I step back, I'm like, but yeah'm like but yeah but still yeah i mean imagine if it was just dr x and i told you what dr x did yes then how i mean it would completely pivot i'm sure i i think it would i like to believe the guys out there saying like a natural immune what is immunity community i've never heard of such a thing i know i know that's the obfuscation right that's just sort of huh what i don't understand these things you're talking about like that's not okay that's not you know what form and maybe he hasn't and by the way i'm leaving open the door to the possibility that he has a cognitive problem yeah but you know what drew

remember when he started getting super popular and he was in and they were interviewing him on all these programs and it was like it was almost like he got caught up in that. You know, it wasn't like he was being a doctor. He wasn't like, you know, it was like, it was a little too much for me even. And I, you know, I peddle your wares everywhere. But I seriously thought he was like, he was turned into a god overnight. And I thought, okay, something's really wrong with that. Well, and look at Dr. Drew.

Look at your career. You had a slow grind to get your notoriety. He went from a person you'd see on a random C-SPAN interview, which is the question I have for you, but all of a sudden, he's on everyone's mind. Everybody knows who he is. It's a good point. We don't know what that does to people i i always feel like people that have their sort of their water and have a day job and stuff don't get that taken by that stuff but you never know i tend to think that's happening with mccullough well then

trying and you can't admit the truth when you're in that position because suddenly everybody knows who you are like i don't know if he would have admitted what was going on the real the real question that has to be answered is did he know about the gain of function stuff and did he fund it he did there's so much smoke i know he well might have he well might have i listen my mind is open did you work with collins at all no uh okay because did you see the lex lex friedman interview with him, but I'll listen to it. Is it recent? Oh, my God. So I'd always enjoyed the hell out of Lex.

Yeah, me too. And then, I mean, just today, Ed Calderon. Anybody who hasn't heard that just came out today. Phenomenal. Great guy. But he did two back-to-back interviews. One with Albert Borla, CEO of Pfizer. And then the next one with Francis Collins.

And I was... I try to be a very even-keeled human being. I was... One with Albert Borla, CEO of Pfizer, and then the next one with Francis Collins. And I was, I try to be a very even keeled human being. Yeah. I was flailing my arms, shouting in the ether. What'd you learn? No, that they are lying through their teeth. Oh, about? I mean, gain of function specifically. He mentioned that to him in passing and it was a real pillow fight of an interview.

And there was no hard hitting questions. They brought up gain of function and literally francis collins and i actually watched the video of this just so i could read his body language he's like well i mean first off we actually have to figure out what uh what gain of function is i mean like my eyeglasses are gain of function because my eyes didn't work and now they've gained function like are you out of your mind wow it's wild that's interesting all right i will listen to that thank you but the the central question i have for you is again back at fauci did you ever see and again there's just so many coincidences that pile up with this yeah this was i i want to say two weeks after event 201 that we spoke about in the past yeah he's at a um at the milken institute having a

panel discussion and they're talking about a universal flu vaccine and there's fauci himself saying well we can't just blow up the system in order to do we have to do all this testing and if we were to do something like that and then the next guy says well you know there's always a chance of some crazy virus coming i shit you not some crazy virus coming out of china yeah you not, some crazy virus coming out of China. Yeah. Yeah. And then they're like, well, then we could beam out RNA. And they're talking about mRNA vaccine tech.

Ah. And this is, again, October 29th, 2019. Well, have you read that trial, that sort of war game they did? Oh, yeah. Oh, Event 201, Spars. Yeah, that's's event 201 thing right it was just unbelievable how it was exactly what happened and by the way the public reacted the way they predicted they would react to all this really something you got to look at the spars pandemic there's a pdf of their whole thing that um we spoke about in the past yeah i dropped

a link and went about anyways that spars really goes into the social media aspect of it and how it's played out even to the vaccine injuries how they're suppressing it but if you look at uh what the earlier position you were speaking to said you know they stopped j and j for a handful of deaths but with mrna like yeah and i just tend to wonder so you got the 2019 again october same month exact same month as event 201 like two weeks later and they're talking about a universal vaccine using RNA tech how could they get it done and now there's so many vaccines I go into the quarterlies

of all these vaccine companies kind of in the Ed Dowd vein except like if like if Ed Dowd was like like Forrest Gump meets Ed Dowd that's me kind of approaching these things i'm like i think these numbers mean something yeah yeah i get it but like there's so many vaccines like just the pipeline is so full of mrna so i'm like is it just a pure greed play i struggle with

that that it's just greed doesn't it i mean again i think these are all motivations and biases try not to get cartoonish in the interpretation that that's all my it's one injunction just understand people are fallible people have motivations people are for the most part trying to do the right thing but they have all their cognitive and whatever kind of biases in place and yeah it and the one the one thing in this whole thing that seemed new to me was people's glee and uh seeming enthusiasm for controlling other people's lives and telling people to that is that is weird and disgusting to me look at a parking attendant if you don't have a ticket like you give somebody a just a little bit of power yeah and it just it goes there's a phenomenal book that will make

you sick to your stomach to read uh ordinary men about the uh yeah oh yeah and invasion of boleyn and like it's such a slow process and it's really gross how it happens we have to push back push back all right my friend i've got lots of calls i gotta get to i really appreciate you being here but thank you for uh i think you apologize look at that video and i will i did so my conscience is clear energy i do too so you guys are all welcome here trust me uh let's see i gotta get i got so many people want to sorry do your screen switched out so what happened there i'm looking at your screen and then i got the v mix on the right i don't know something it's some tech issue stuff i'm trying uh colin is up now i think colin is the name chris chris maybe chris is hey there you are it's colin you can hear me

yeah hey hi um well thanks for taking my call. And by the way, also, thank you for being an excellent kind of anchor during this entire mess. I've been listening to you folks for like a year. And well, I mean, I listened to you on Loveline years ago. even is it chris or colin which is it it's colin colin so colin that was our goal just to be a place to a safe place to calm down connect get the try to get the information right try to understand and honestly you guys nailed it and and i've gotta thank it like i can't thank you enough and i'm kind of glad that things are turning around with, um, Musk buying Twitter and us seeing things sort of turn toward freedom of speech. Can you understand why people don't like it? I'm really, I really always want to understand the other point of view.

I, I, I get they're fearful that it will hurt other people, but that seems like a, to me, it seems like a, uh, what is Robert Hendricks?

I think it's concern trolling, to be honest. I, I don't feel like that's in good faith um or not in evidence at least not in yeah there's no evidence and i think some people especially people who have platforms and lots of you know followers or whatever are pushing the idea that this is bad well robert henderson has this concept of luxury beliefs and this whole thing is the beliefs of these elites that that increase their power but reduce the uh effectiveness

of you know reduce the the the life of people that they claim to be wanting to help yeah and i like robert henderson quite a bit i i do follow him. I'm subscribed to his newsletter. Something that I noticed today with one of the Twitter releases was from Barry Weiss, was that as soon as they banned Trump, and I'm not really one way or the other on Trump, but as soon as they banned him, the conversation turned to COVID. It's almost like the energy and sort of momentum that they had. It's a very heavy... You know what?

That's really, really interesting to me. Because I've been saying from the beginning, I keep thinking that these excesses, there's so many excesses, that they've got to all be sort of, I'm using a term that people toss around. It's got to be Trump derangement syndrome. It doesn't seem scientific. Like just from, I mean, I don't, like I'm not a PhD, but I'm, you know, I have this idea kind of that there is something pushing this forward, and I don't think it's scientific.

Even now? Yeah, even now. And the pushback doesn't seem to be coming from scientists so much as the mainstream media that was always sort of against Trump. And the media that really, I mean, literally, they learned how to pronounce a medication, and the next day, a violent opinion about it. Hydrolytine? Yeah, they don't know what they're saying. I've been using it for 30 years, and why are you even talking to me about it? You shouldn't even be discussing it with us.

Yeah. And that was even before, I think that, I mean, he was the first guy to mention it, and then suddenly this is now on their radar yeah their shit list yeah i i just find it like i i feel like the bad faith pursuit of politics really poisoned the discussion and unfortunately i think that a lot of the people who deal with either if they're interns at the white house or if they're interns at washington post they all use twitter and they all kind of reinforce these biases on themselves oh sure but and now they're thrashing back but the one right they're getting a little bit of taste of what they've been dishing out and they don't like it i don't blame them i don't like it either but but the but the uh the fact that it was so worldwide, it's just, again, like makes me shake my head.

Like how the hell? That is something that is very concerning. And I'm not really sure what to make of it. I mean, I know that there are these NGOs. I know that there are these, you know, I don't want to get conspiratorial, but, you know, there are these partnerships that transcend political parties and nations. I'm not really sure what to make of them. And when they all start getting together at Davos or whatever, and they start talking about, well, we're going to make a plan for the next time this happens. Well, this hasn't happened before in the way that it happened this time.

That's right. So what does that really mean? Great question. When you say, we're going to make sure next time we get it right, it's bad enough when we have elected official making decision for us. It's extremely disturbing

when non-elected officials are driving the ship, whether it's public health officials locally or somebody at Davos, all of that is very disturbing. Yeah, I agree. And I, and again, I'm not like a conspiracy theorist. I'm not, it's just strange that like I I'm up in Canada and our deputy prime minister sits on the board at the WEF. And I'm not saying the WEF is one thing or the other. I don't know that much about them other than reading some of their literature. But it's pretty weird. It's weird.

It's all weird, but I appreciate you keeping your eye on it, Colin. I've got to keep going. I got many calls I got to get to here. I appreciate it very much. And I agree. And please, as you see more eye on it, Colin. I've got to keep going. I've got many calls I've got to get to here. I appreciate it very much. And I agree. And please, as you see more, bring it my way. This is Alexi. Hello.

Hey there. Oh, yeah. Huge fan. But I have a comment from the guest you had on Friday, I believe. Yes. From Like Our Biologists. So I felt like some of his comments were a bit disingenuous. from the guest he had on Friday, I believe. Yes. The molecular biologist. So I felt like some of his comments were a bit disingenuous,

especially as Hannah waming away at myocarditis events. Yeah. Especially considering you have two Nordic countries, Denmark and I believe Sweden, that have basically completely refused to give vaccines to people like people under 24, I believe, in Denmark. And I think it's for the younger age group in Sweden. So there's definitely a big concern. Yeah. And I apologize. Some of that was my fault for not pushing back on that very issue.

When I walked away from that interview, it was the one thing I was like, I was, I should have, should have asked about why other countries have concerns and if he has none. Yeah. I also have one other comment. I'm also myself a molecular biologist and I remember you guys were talking about a dead hand on the, on the transcript of the mRNA vaccine, like basically how it would get shut off. I kind of just take a peek. The sequence is publicly available, and really it's very hard to see what the transcript half-life is in real life. That pseudo-uridine or the modified uridine in the transcript itself, it does

prolong the stability by basically not being immediately degraded, but then the rest of the sequence itself is just like kind of normal. So I have a couple questions for you. So a lot is being made of that altered, that pseudo-Urdine so-called. You're not that concerned about that. It causes persistence, but not unrestricted persistence. Yeah, it causes persistence, but eventually once basically the transcript is translated, you still have kind of nominal, uh, degradation.

It makes, is it possible that some people produce more of the spike than others in some sort of like significant way? Sure. I mean, you could have, you know, people have different tissue specific, uh, kind of, uh, expression. Machinery, right? The machinery is different. Yeah. So, so I'm starting to want it because the thing i'm wanting to zero in on is some of the stuff that like um ryan cole was reporting and all this you know endothelial deposition of spike protein and excess everything i suggested excess spike and i thought well but

if that's one in a million but if it's one in a hundred like how frequent is that and i it's another thing i criticized myself for it i didn't really ask him that question. So we got to find that out. We got to find that out. And then, gosh darn it, was another sort of microbiology question. Stupid brain. Can you do something about the aging brain? Will you work on that for me? I'm having that day too. Oh, I know it was. I don't see any way that the, that mRNA gets into the DNA. Do you believe that you with me on that or against me on that? I haven't looked at that one in vitro study. There are two now. There are two.

Oh, is it two? But are they in cell culture? Yes. I mean, yeah. I'll have to look at that. It seems like an extremely kind of exotic mechanism. I would have to honestly have a look at that. I'm not sure.

Please do and get back to me. Please do. Yeah, it seems unlikely. Yeah, it seems impossible. I mean, just evolutionarily, it seems impossible. We are not set up with that kind of machinery. All right, my friend, any last questions or words here? Yeah, I think one thing, Dr. Ryan Cole, set up with that kind of machinery. So, all right, my friend, any last questions or words here? Uh,

yeah, I think one thing I, Ryan, uh, Dr. Ryan Cole, uh, I think you mentioned that maybe,

uh, there's a problem doing like kind of the histology stating for the spike protein. It's expensive, but, but I guess expensive, but it's, it's,

it's pennies on a dollar, you know, when you're looking at, you know, something as, as massive as this and the reagents are commercially available. You would say, you would say, so you're back to know when you're looking at you know something as as massive as this and the reagents are you would think commercially available you would think you would think so you're back to my you're you must sit around all day and do what i do and shake your head and go why aren't we doing this why what's going on right like the system isn't working right like

something's off something is i don't know anyway but yes i agree with you and please do look at those studies and let me know what you what you find i really appreciate it uh okay uh oh i had joe giannotta up there a minute ago i was just gonna get him i wonder if johan can come back john because we screwed that up at the beginning uh i think he was trolling it seemed like oh that guy was like yeah i think he was trolling yeah well i don't think they could hear like you had i didn't have the sound on until the questions so by that time it was on yeah that's weird this is giuseppe how could they hear it was it was muted on my end giuseppe hey guys hey there how are you great how are you excellent i feel like uh i don't know i think that after these two years doctor i'm

thankful that you can finally exhale a little bit i feel like you had two years on uh on some sort of full-on soviet era silencing especially you because you were attacked pretty pretty harshly in there i think it was a year ago, right? Three years ago. Oh, yeah. Well, it's a few waves of it. There were a few waves. But originally it was what? Was that 19? Dr. Droops.

It was 20. It was early 20. We still don't know who that Dr. Droops guy is that made that video of you. Seems like there should be legal remedies for that stuff. I know.

Can Elon buy YouTube and find out for me? So what's up, Giuseppe? But no, I understand. Like, and I think everybody should see what happened to you. I understand. Like, I consider this, this is the first time in history where doctors shut their offices to their patients and stop seeing them. And, you know, I grew up in Italy. So I studied Manzoni's book from 1600, in which they had the worst black plague that has ever been on Earth. And, you know, that was a real, real disease. We piled up bodies everywhere.

And doctors didn't just shut their doors. But, you know, during the peak of the pandemic, and I want to ask you this, my thought, obviously I was concerned like everybody else, but I had a thought. I thought, um, if this is as bad as they're making it, the first place that we will see it concretely is prisons because they cannot

isolate. Right. I remember early on, there were some prison outbreaks, but these are young people mostly right yeah so they did okay uh but we weren't allowed to hear we weren't allowed to hear about that you couldn't hear about the the the age issue in covid was carefully obfuscated was carefully hidden i if you if you look i i know this because Adam Carolla, who I do another podcast with, started screaming about this in maybe June of 2020.

He would pull up a video of CNN telling the names of people that had died. And he'd just go, what's their age? Because they would not tell the age. And when they started finding the ages, 84, 97, 89, it was clearly a certain age grouping. In fact, not exclusively, I understand, but for the most part, and that was carefully hidden. Why they hid that, I don't know. It reminds me of what we did with AIDS, where we kept saying everyone's equal opportunity, it's going to get everybody. And we still think it would have had we not been so fear-based in our messaging. But again, that's Dr. Fauci's bias.

He felt like that worked back then, so maybe that's what caused him to use fear so much now. It's just that it got rocket fuel for some reason. Yeah, that is an interesting... I was listening earlier. So you have an issue with being more on the critical side when it comes to Fauci. Is that right? No, I'm more on the supportive side, I'd say. I've been, from the beginning, saying, just let that guy do his job and you guys listen to it and we'll be fine. Because I've had so many years of experience with him and following him and being guided by him

that I thought, that's all we need to do. Because he knows how to do this stuff and he's a good source and let's let him be the leader. It got all screwed up yeah i mean i always saw him as a careerist and the careerist is the person that just makes sure it's soft-spoken make sure that it never says anything that is extreme yes and then looking back at that aids video that i interviewed from i think it's 30 years ago i don't know if you remember it um there is a very important interview that he gives in on video years ago. I don't know if you remember it. There is a very important interview

that he gives on video about AIDS where I don't want to say the wrong things, but it's in the line of that he can be caught by kissing. And it was the way he's saying it is the same way he was talking about COVID. And I think 30 years later, he was talking about COVID. And I think, you know, 30 years later, he should have known better. But you can also see that he's following a pattern, he's following guidelines, and he's not genuine when he speaks. And that's why, listen, you know,

NIOSH standards, you know, OSHA standards, any type of specific jobs that require a specific respirator mask. They never say just a mask, but there is a NIOSH classification. So you can't just say wear a mask. And when people started wearing cotton masks or like Alyssa Milanoano her own handmade mask that would prevent no listen there were the the uh thank you so much uh giuseppe the the the and mechanical engineers and the the uh the what do you call them the fluid you know the the airflow engineers and things had grave concerns at the very beginning we actually had a woman on here right in the beginning of the pandemic remember that that, Susan? And she was

saying cloth masks don't work, the surgical don't work. And when you sneeze, it sprays even farther through the mesh. She was convinced the N95 was causing aerosol and causing it to go even further out into the environment.

And yeah, there was a lot of concerns. I remember Leopold had concerns about it. So instead of six feet, it would go 60 feet. Yep, yep, yep, yep. Genius. But we all wore the mask. Bring Christy up here. Christy, unmute your mic there.

Thank you. This is my first time calling into a space. Thank you. You're welcome. I calling into a space. Thank you. You're welcome. I have things I'd like to jump off of people. I'm a recent former coordinator and project manager using mRNA LNP with mammalian cells. Excellent. And I need to jump off of what someone just said and make a little correction there of the microbiologist. And I worked for the top plasmid company in the world as an antibody specialist. Go ahead.

I have not been invited on podcasts. I just think because I'm a recent joiner to Twitter. Okay. Well, welcome. Thank you so much. So I have a bunch of questions. So one of the things, how are you on the lipid capsule, the lipid nanoparticles? Can I ask you some questions about that?

I'm all right, but I had three things I wanted to get to. Let me just answer this one question. People make a lot of the lipid nanoparticles go everywhere. And my feeling on that is, so what? I have zero concern about that. Should I be? Yes, they aggregate and they are different sizes. If you think of when you put oil in water, if you're cooking and when you would use olive oil, it all gathers together. So that may be an issue when we've seen studies of, am I allowed to say this? The studies that include injuries that have happened, like there was a double retinal detachment that happened afterwards. You know, how does that happen? What that happen? What caused the pressure to build up in the

vitreous of the eye to cause two retinal detachment in the same person at the same time? Fascinating. That is an actual peer-reviewed study that Kelly- And that was the lipid nanoparticles getting in there? That was a talk we were having. If it was a combination of that and what the microbiologist just spoke to, we would do small runs. So what I would do in my job was we would take LNP, we'd do mRNA, and we would use human embryonic kidney cells and Chinese hamster ovary. And we would do a test small run to see which cell would produce more of the protein, which is what's happening in the human body.

So when that microbiologist talked to different cells expressing at different amounts, that's true as well. We don't know which cells in the human body express what amounts of protein. I'll throw that same question out to you that I asked him. Are different genetic machineries, different individuals, possibly prone to producing excess protein, like really more than the average? That I don't know, but I know different cells in general produce different amounts because we were aiming for certain protein amounts when we were doing custom manufacturing. Like if we did a monoclonal antibody, you would use a mammalian, a mammal cell. I understand. And then you would make the cell the powerhouse to make that protein. And either you burst the cell to get it out or it would express it and we'd collect it

and then we'd purify it. I thank you for that. You kept me from being hospitalized with, if you had anything to do with Bamlanivimab, that was a very effective medicine for alpha and delta. I may have, and I worked for the company, that if you've seen a recent breakthrough in the news and some coming down the pipeline,

especially, well, I can't say the company I worked for or I had a hand in that, yes. Thank you. We need more innovation. I changed careers. I changed careers though. Okay. Well you, but you have, you obviously have knowledge in this area and I want to keep going. So that was one of your,

well Susan wants to know what your career is after you asked your three questions. You asked, you made one comment already. What are the other two? Two things that I want to state. When we produced antibodies or proteins, an antibody is always a protein, but not all proteins are antibodies. When we made those in the cells, two things would happen, and that's what no one is talking about, which really frightens me. Number one, it is not uncommon for a protein to misfold. And in order to get it to fold the proper way, we had to put it through a two-step process using what's called a buffer and a detergent. Those aren't present in the human

body. And it wasn't uncommon. It wasn't all the time, but one of my worries, and it wasn't something that I thought about until far into the process of the production of those vaccines, is how often is that happening in humans? Because the human body doesn't know how to refold a foreign protein. And perhaps that is at the core of some of these reactions we're starting to document. Maybe that's the issue. The spike protein, as such, properly folded, maybe doesn't do some of the things they misfolded.

It's just wild speculation, but we may one day find that to be true. Thank you. That's why I wanted to hop on this call because I knew there were other doctors and nurses listening. The other thing that happens when you make a protein recombinantly in a cell is it can fragment. And when, so it can, you can have little pieces of it and not the whole spike protein. So that mRNA being injected into people is making the ribosome produce the proteins. And we saw fragments and we had to filter through columns. If you think of like a straw and by size exclusion is one way. Or we would put a little tag on the protein with nickel. We could never use metal in a human. So it was only when we were working with people who were using animals if we had a little tag to catch it.

But we would sort out by size because that was going to be an issue. So when the protein is made in the body, antibodies are generated in response to that protein. And so the question is, are other antibodies being made in response to the fragments and what are those and were those even tracked in the studies? And they have to be, right? They must be. I don't know. Or they're just being hydrolyzed or something out of existence, but you would think. It's a good question. It's a great question. So let me ask for Susan's benefit, what are you doing now? And why'd you change? No, I said, oh, really? Yeah, go figure. I initially went to school to be a pharmacist and to work in endocrinology. And I was in an accident out in nature and I had a long recovery. And that's how I jumped into biotech

instead of finishing that program. And I realized I wasn't getting patient interaction and I did amazing things. And I was like the office mom. I'm in my 40s, but people were coming to me with their problems. You're a therapist now. Yes. There you go. I could hear it in your voice. I could hear it.

I hear what we call vocal prosody. Yeah you go. I could hear it in your voice. I could hear it. I hear what we call vocal prosody. Yeah, yeah. Would she be able to answer that question about how long the spike proteins take to get out of your system or the mRNA? Remember that question? Yeah, we were just saying that. We were just saying that. I know, but I could not understand a damn thing you guys are saying. Okay, okay.

Hold on. So congratulations. What's your training? Oh, there you are. So I initially started in applied behavioral analysis to work with kids who have autism spectrum disorder. And I was spending time with them doing that. And I realized I wanted to work with adults. And so I have ABA, almost completed that degree. And then I jumped into clinical mental health working with attachment trauma pain management I hear the attachment stuff I hear you're good at it so keep going keep going that way keep going but the pain management I was able to do a lot because

you know I have knowledge of from you know anatomy and physiology and the hippocampus and corticotropia the patients need that they need need that sort of cognitive side, but they need the attachment side also to regulate and to be able to downregulate what they're experiencing. Okay, listen, we have to keep moving here. Somebody said, yeah, Susan, epigenetically, how long could the transition of the ribosome be altered? Great question.

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I still want to know. Wait, wait, wait. What is the answer? Oh, I posted this, and I posted a study underneath this chat, by the way, on ablation that I did a presentation on that I think you'll think is interesting on Twitter. So Susan asked a little bit of refinement we were talking about.

Yeah, I'm not refined at all. How long the spike is being produced by the current vaccine? You really, you weren't, Were you at that level of... Does it come out of your system eventually? We were popping the cells to extract it or would express it. But I know I've seen some literature on the biodistribution that they were tracking that may be weeks. Yeah, yeah. I think people are worried that it goes longer.

That's the thing. All right. Listen, Christy, thank you so much. Thanks again. Christy. Thank you. Have a good night. Sorry to break in.

Christy, this is Caleb Nation. I'm one of the producers of the show. Please expect an email from me if I can find your contact info because this is a very interesting conversation. And you sound like an expert that we need to hear more from on these topics. So I might be reaching out soon to see if we can talk to you some more if you're comfortable at least help us understand yeah help us understand some of these topics so that's good thank you all right you got a super chat drew you got a super chat from brad from brady thank you what did brady want to do the question scrolling it's hard to read this. Are you on restream? Yeah.

I don't see it. 40 healthy male this year began having severe PVCs, 1% to 2% year, took Pfizer vax. After echo, EKG, heart monitor, cardiologist visits, he has not concurred. He is not concerned. Okay. Thinking toporil, 50 milligrams per day. Yeah.

Weaning off, making me tired. Thanks. Okay. So he's talking about ventricular extra, I assume he had PVCs. Is that what it was, Susan? PVCs? Yes. Yeah.

Which are called premature ventricular contractions, which are very benign in a normal heart. What did I say? PCV? You said PVCs or something. PVCs? Yes. Yeah. Which are called premature ventricular contractions, which are very benign in a normal heart. What did I say? PCV? You said PVCs or something. PVCs, yeah. That's like a pipe in a hardware store. I know what that is. Yeah.

And if you have too many of them per hour, they're associated with a kind of myopathy. And if it's came from the vaccine and there's some sort of scarring there, maybe the kind of rhythm disturbance could be a little more serious. This is not the kind of thing we worry about from the vaccine. These are kind of normal. The thing I worry about, these rapid supraventricular arrhythmias

or the sudden more serious ventricular arrhythmias, which we are seeing an uncanny amount of. Now your thing, I do agree it probably should be treated. I wouldn't want to take a beta blocker. You're on toprol right now, and that would make me too tired. I wouldn't dig it. So you might want to talk to your doctor about other possible interventions or at least get on as low a dose of Toprol as possible. So I agree with how they're treating you and you shouldn't be really worried about it. The

doctor's not worried either. So I don't think you should be. Are we all cool with me getting some more calls here? Yeah, sure. I don't know what's going on with their phone i had my gate fixed today because we have a weird oh is that what that was it's ringing now on that line i don't know what's going on and then the dogs bark because they think somebody's at the gate okay hold on sorry i don't know why it's happening there's nobody down there all right here's somebody called satan's kitty so hold on everybody satan's kitty i don't know if that's a i like that not a real name i like that satan's kitty it's not a real name okay scott scott that's a little makes me a little more comfortable i must say what's up so my thing is besides the whole censorship of free speech and everything else

in the blacklist i mean like i'm not in that agreed with the speech that they censored but i'm kind of still very appalled by it right it's it's the child exploitation material that was viewed over 10 million times yes and it's this ralph guy i might be misquoting the tweet saying it's strange that i'm working on some protecting children it's it's what were these and and so my question is yeah it's shocking that look we're friends with eliza blue we've had her who we're going to try to get today but she can't come we're friends with eliza blue we've had her who we're gonna try to get today but she can't come we're really trying hard to get her i can probably get her at the end of the show wednesday or thursday she's on a spaces this afternoon at five o'clock you

might find her there and we've been working with her on this stuff forever and now she's right in the middle she got banned on twitter for a while for trying to fight the the porn the child trafficking and porn and and thank god you know they're doing something about that thank god she at first i was like is this lady crazy and then i started digging into it i was like no no she's no no she's legit she she's an enthusiast you know she's got energy about it but she's not crazy we met her at the yeah we sat dinner with her we've we've hung out with her but she was actually trafficked herself and then she made it she's made it her job to help other women over the years and twitter was not kind to her at all so so my question is it might be like a mental health thing i don't know that you might not be able to answer it let's hear so

it might be this is but how do these people hide this all from Jack? Like, yeah, I wondered that too. Yeah. Like how did they lie to their boss to a point? I mean, they're not lying because they're not saying anything, but it's, and I mean, and another question is to like, Elon Musk is the head of multiple companies. And that's, I'm a fan of him because I started following him because he was blowing up rockets. And then I got interested in his cars.

It's kind of barreled down to that. And sometimes I disagree with them. And it's funny because Tesla shareholders, they're starting to realize, oh, this might be affecting his his ventures for free speech and protecting civilization might affect my wallet. And it's it's an interesting psychosis that's happening on on Twitter on tesla twitter it's because if you because it's always been short sellers versus uh long-term holders it's always been the disinformation from short sellers versus the truth from uh filings or whatever shareholders are confined but now it's like oh elon's saying weird shit and I disagree with it. He needs to stop saying this or he needs to talk more Tesla. It's like they're pro-speech, free speech, but they want to control his speech.

It's getting awkward to me to be a fan and not say this. Well, he addressed it the other day. I saw him say that he has got the executives in position that he trusts and they make their decisions. And thus far, he has no quarrel with whatever they're doing now. But it does go at what your original question was, which was how did Jack not know? And if Elon did something like that, he'd be held accountable. Why is this guy not? As Elon steps back from Tesla, he risks the same thing, doesn't he?

That the people are making decisions about things he doesn't really know about because he's not hands-on. And that has been my experience in many organizations, that people that are sort of founding are really hands-on, and then they slowly, slowly, slowly pull back and then put other people in places to do the jobs that he or she used to do. And then they go on and do something else. And so I don't see this as extraordinary. What's extraordinary, I suppose, is how much he himself and his personality is associated with the projects.

And it almost feels like can the projects go on without him, not just as a figurehead, but as actually an active sort of a member of the, of the management team. And my bet is he'll go back in there soon and sleep there for a couple of weeks and do a bunch of stuff. That's what I'm going to predict. And, and my thing is, I hope you bring this up to Tom Segura and Christian T. I want to hear their reaction. I want to hear their reaction to this, not the censoring of free speech. Because, yeah, some of the jokes that they censored

were distasteful, but they're kind of funny. Yeah, they were jokes. They were not possibly misinterpreted. They were jokes. They were obvious jokes. I'm like, y'all have never seen something that Tom Segura said on a podcast? It's like... The like the degenerates yeah like

i mean he's he's like i've heard comedians say worse things yeah so it's it's it's like i don't know it's they are they are both uh he i saw some stuff on instagram for him him today that i was like whoa boy he's he's he's he's he's coming forward with some stuff it's like when he came when he went after jada pinkett smith it's like everybody lost the uh like revel in he's a bald bitch too like he's bald also it's like everybody knows and it was it was awful to see everybody's blindness yeah and it's like well sometimes you know they, you know, they're both very smart. They're both very smart people and they're both pulling

for the rational revolution. Where's my hand go? Right here. The rational revolution will prevail. And they both, I keep asking Christina, like, come on,

you promised me rational revolution two years ago. What is going on? She goes, that's coming. It's coming. So they're very positive about this stuff,

but I appreciate it. Appreciate the call. Well, listen, I think we still have many of you requested requested i'd love to get to everybody today but i think we're going to have to kind of wrap things up i mean how did jack not know there was child exploitation on twitter like all you had to do was tweet it like look it up i mean well not just that it was there but why was it more being done to address it? Yeah. Well, Eliza was shouting from the rooftop, but she was just getting blocked, you know, and told, you know. And I don't know.

I just think that now that Elon's in there, he's not going to get away with anything. Who isn't? That Elon must. Yeah. Yeah, they just, they're very prone to being critical of him. Well, but Jack, like, just made a bunch of money and left, and that's it. Yeah.

I mean, was he visible on Twitter? I never really noticed. He was. If he was out there. Yeah. I want to make just kind of like, because we've been talking about this all week, and since the first Twitter files and all the way up to here, and I think that my most my most common point, I feel like someone's doing their nails. I hear in the background. Is that you, Susan? I know. I hear it too. I know. These are very good. Put down the nail

file for a second. Are they great mics though? Geez. Oh yeah. Blue mics. Thanks. This is my point. Twitter is a private company. We all know that they can censor anything that they choose. So then if they know that and we know that, and they have the freedom to do that, then why are they obfuscating the truth-sighted cardiologist in the country, if for one thing, the science was so obviously on their side, but then also, why are they dedicating resources to these things as opposed to what Eliza Blue is bringing up? If they're able to get this content off their system, why is it taking them so long to address anything Eliza's been saying for years? first step that she came on our show was two years ago almost it's almost incomprehensible right doesn't make any sense you're gonna worry about jay badacharya but not a child trafficker how what the hell is wrong with you people but it really goes at a the derangement that was underway the enthusiasm cause so-called enthusiasm is a word that used to be used to be almost close to like seizure.

So by enthusiasm, I don't mean that they like it. I mean that they're excessive. So the excesses around blocking these certain people that could be hurtful and could be saying things are hurtful or could be construed as hurtful and I'm saving the world from these hurtful people, that'd be right. But the language became rather than the reality of whatever was actually harming people there and they were so i think it's so preoccupied for that and so bought into their own can you imagine what the meetings were like every day with those people what they were thinking and saying and how they thought about it they just got into a bubble a rabbit hole a hole yeah a real hole it's so it's so sadly performed one of our

callers and one of our callers was saying maybe it came from trumped arrangement kind of thing and kind of has that kind of quality to it but once it got going they were deep in they were deep in and and you know what misinformation hurting people with language, this is all kind of the same zone. Oh, we were getting attacked left and right. And these are people that decided. Being called horrible things. But they decided that they were the ones anointed to make these decisions because there was no way to sort of really specify it in the policies and procedures. They couldn't quite come up with a way to do it.

So they thought, we have to do it. And in doing it, they were aware on some level they were starting to tread on freedom issues first amendment issues so you see it in some of the discourse back and forth amongst them they're like you know they're like yeah yeah oh no no no no because this is it's justified this is a thing i i'm justified in in trampling on this person's whatever that person's rights were this is a private company the sad aspect of it is that it's rights were. And it's a private company. The sad aspect of it is that I'm in my early 30s. It's like I didn't question a lot of this stuff until they started shoving this stuff at me

and saying, deny what is right in front of your face. You have to deny what is happening right there and you have to agree with us or else you are going to be an outcast. If you say anything outside of this circle and it's misinformation and then they start consistently getting proven wrong because what that does is now i'm someone that you like we all know how long it took to get someone like robert f kennedy on the show because everyone was very hesitant about it they are the ones that built these slow steps that made him an appealing guest to come on the show. And now I look at this and I think, wait a second, there are a lot of interests involved.

There is a lot of money changing hands. There are a lot of interesting people that move from pharma companies into government jobs and from government jobs into pharma companies in this endless circle. And so now a whole system and infrastructure that I never would have questioned, that millions of people never would have questioned because of these little lies along the way. Now everyone's questioning everything. Now they've lost it. They've lost the high ground with this by giving those little lies along the way. And even today, I don't know if you saw it,, one of the real villains in a lot of this is the mainstream media. Yeah. Really, they are sort of, if you were telling this story as a melodrama,

they would be the Snidely Whiplash group sort of thing. And even today, the story was, Elon Musk appeared at Dave Chappelle's comedy and was booed so thoroughly that he couldn't speak. Did you see what actually happened? Did you see the video? Where did it go? Which one?

I didn't see that video. So it was in San Francisco. There's a video of it. It's in San Francisco. So of course he's going to get some boo, right? He's in San Francisco. Right. And a fight broke out in the audience.

And the fight caused the audience to go, go oh and this big sort of roar about this fight and then it calmed down and then elon musk said well i didn't expect to come out to that and uh dave chappelle said i think some of the people you fired are here in the audience and it was funny and well received and well received not he didn't get booed off the stage there was something that happened that created an uproar. There were some boos. You expect that as San Francisco. And then they went on with the comedy.

And that was the mainstream reporting. I don't get it. Why lie? Why lie? It's so agenda-based as opposed to truth-based. It's like- I don't know what it is. How many people died from killer hornets?

There were way more stories about the people supposedly booing Elon Musk than there have been about the Twitter files on any of these media outlets. Like that's what was blasted out, not any of these other facts of things that are coming out. And it's like I'm not the biggest Elon Musk fanboy here. I don't own a Tesla. I don't have Tesla stock. I've never been that person.

But when a company starts trying to shut down the free speech of someone, even if I disagree with them, it makes me furious. Because I feel like if they're coming for you, they're coming for me next. If they can do it to someone, if they can shut down the speech of my enemies, I'm the next one. This is funny. Here's the stuff I'm getting right now. You have a blue checkmark because you paid $8 for it. Did we pay $8 for that?

No. You're not even allowed to do that. Not yet. You're not even allowed to do that yet. Not yet. But I will be. We have to, though. We'll also.

I don't want somebody to get a Kelly Victory parody of us. You may have been misled into thinking you were relevant in any way, shape, or form. All right. We got verified like 20 years ago when they first started. They called us. Twitter called us and said, do you want to be on Twitter? Oh, yeah, that's right.

And we both got verified the first day. And you got like 2 million followers overnight. I had like 10. But I wouldn't even know how you get a Twitter verification. I assume they're going to put that information out soon. He was saying it may take a couple months. I saw a tweet where he said that. How did that jackass get the Doc Kelly victory?

I don't know. When it was open for a short time, you were able to buy the blue verified badge. Then they paused it for that exact reason, and now they're opening it back up. You have to do telephone verification and other steps, I believe. It is dinner time for Caleb's baby. We've got to give him a chance to go have dinner. Go do check out on January 4th. We're doing press all day tomorrow

for the January 4th. I love Caleb's questions. Special forces. It'll be January 4th on Fox, I think like at nine o'clock, something like that. Upcoming, there it all is. We have Romeo Gendra,

Booth Patterson. I want to throw Liza in on one of these shows if she's available maybe at the end of Weissman or Ram is that okay just have a quick interview and let people give her questions sure so we have David wait put that up there again because I want to

read it for the people out in the spaces what about the week after Christmas what are we at going on there hang on let me read what Caleb just put up. Can you put that up again? All right. Yeah, we have Dr. Wiseman coming in on Wednesday with Kelly Victor. We have Ramya Ogendra and Bruce Patterson from the COVID Long Haulers Group to talk about the latest research on that.

We have Steve Kirsch on the 22nd. We have Steve Kirsch coming in, which will make everybody very excited. On the 22nd. I don't necessarily agree. He's not on this list. Steve is beating me up all the time, but I don't necessarily agree with him. And then we have another doctor on that Wednesday right before Christmas. January 3rd, Megan Kelly.

January 4th, Biram Brindle with Dr. Victory. And February 1st, Ryan Cole comes back. Wait, Caleb, you're missing the- It's incomplete. These are only the ones that I had confirmed. But there are a few others that haven't been confirmed yet. We have that doctor, that medical, I mean that military doctor, remember? That she mentioned right before Christmas.

Yes, December 22nd. It's Lieutenant Colonel Teresa Long. Teresa Long. She's a good one. You're going to like that, everybody. And then, of course, Steve Kirsch is coming on my birthday because I like Steve Kirsch. And it's my birthday. And Kelly's coming back on that show too. So it's my birthday. And I'll see what Steve has to say.

And Kelly's coming back on that show too. So it's going to be a big party over here. All right. So look, thank you all for being here. We appreciate those of you on Spaces. Great callers today. So appreciate it. I'm sorry I couldn't get to all of you.

Buy your Birch Gold before my birthday. We will do this again on Thursday. Do we have a guest? This Thursday. Yeah. Dr. Rahm and Patterson. So that's going to be kind of a medical? This Thursday. Yeah. Dr. Ram and Patterson. So that's going to be kind of a medical conversation. And then maybe the Eliza.

I would say on the 20th, we'll do calls again. So please do hang around and we'll, we'll always have Twitter, Twitter spaces up. Yeah. Your calls are great. And you guys have been so wonderful on Twitter.

I love the audience, the level of education. And I didn't expect it because i was so used to battling trolls over on twitter i thought we're going to get a bunch of trolls on the on the twitter spaces but i'm happy to hear that you guys are all just super cool really adding to the conversation and we appreciate very much and of course you those of you on restream i'm trying to keep an eye on it uh thank you shadow man for your comments and that was a good show uh let's see you know of course on the rants uh you guys were sort of behaving yourself jeheb said some things that

were a little disturbing and thanks for buying jenny's cell uh yeah appreciate that they love they love that you guys like it i guess we're getting really good reviews okay so let's wrap it up with that let caleb support the sponsors that support the show. Yep. We appreciate it. And we will see you all Wednesday, Wednesday at three o'clock Pacific. Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Caleb Nation and Susan Pinsky. As a reminder, the discussions here are not a substitute for medical care, diagnosis, or treatment. This show is intended for educational and informational purposes only.

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