Ask Dr. Drew - Twitter Files: Would Big Tech Censor COVID's Real Origin Too? + Your Calls – Ask Dr. Drew – Episode 153

Episode Date: December 17, 2022

Dr. Drew answers your calls LIVE & discusses the Twitter Files, censorship & today's top stories. If Twitter censored the Hunter Biden Laptop story at the request of powerful political figures – as alleged in Elon Musk's release of the Twitter Files – is it reasonable to assume they also censored reports about the real origin of COVID-19, adverse reactions to mRNA, and the ineffectiveness of mandated masking and lockdowns? [Episode was broadcast on December 6, 2022] 「 SPONSORED BY 」 • BIRCH GOLD - Don’t let your savings lose value. You can own physical gold and silver in a tax-sheltered retirement account, and Birch Gold will help you do it. Claim your free, no obligation info kit from Birch Gold at https://birchgold.com/drew • GENUCEL - Using a proprietary base formulated by a pharmacist, Genucel has created skincare that can dramatically improve the appearance of facial redness and under-eye puffiness. Genucel uses clinical levels of botanical extracts in their cruelty-free, natural, made-in-the-USA line of products. Get 10% off with promo code DREW at https://genucel.com/drew 「 MEDICAL NOTE 」 The CDC states that COVID-19 vaccines are safe, effective, and reduce your risk of severe illness. Hundreds of millions of people have received a COVID-19 vaccine, and serious adverse reactions are uncommon. Dr. Drew is a board-certified physician and Dr. Kelly Victory is a board-certified emergency specialist. Portions of this program will examine countervailing views on important medical issues. You should always consult your personal physician before making any decisions about your health.  「 ABOUT the SHOW 」 Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Kaleb Nation (https://kalebnation.com) and Susan Pinsky (https://twitter.com/firstladyoflove). This show is for entertainment and/or informational purposes only, and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. 「 GEAR PROVIDED BY 」 • BLUE MICS - Find your best sound at https://drdrew.com/blue • ELGATO - See how Elgato's lights transformed Dr. Drew's set: https://drdrew.com/sponsors/elgato/ 「 ABOUT DR. DREW 」 For over 30 years, Dr. Drew has answered questions and offered guidance to millions through popular shows like Celebrity Rehab (VH1), Dr. Drew On Call (HLN), Teen Mom OG (MTV), and the iconic radio show Loveline. Now, Dr. Drew is opening his phone lines to the world by streaming LIVE from his home studio. Watch all of Dr. Drew's latest shows at https://drdrew.tv Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Welcome, everybody. Of course, I'm taking your calls today. Looking forward to that. I've got a lot on my mind. I'm confused about a lot. I'm trying to make sense of things. And so I'm going to kind of walk you through the evolution in my thinking. As always, you know, so much about the world right now is very difficult to ascertain because the sources have proven themselves to be somewhat unreliable. And there's so many different opinions about so many different topics. And of course, the Twitter space, the Twitter, whatever we're going to call it, the Twitter files was sort of an in our faces example of how

information is being filtered. And we were making decisions based on filtered information. That was interesting. That was my original instinct in talking to people that have been filtered out is that there's usually information there. And I learned a bit from talking to these people. It hasn't changed my opinion that much, but I learned a thing or two. And I'm going to talk about how my opinion has changed and what I'm looking for in the future. And I want your calls on Twitter spaces. We're out there. We'll get to it just after this. Our laws as it pertained to substances are draconian and bizarre. The psychopath started this. He was an alcoholic because of social media and pornography, PTSD, love addiction, fentanyl and heroin. Ridiculous. I'm a doctor. Where the hell do you think I learned

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Welcome, everybody. Welcome to Ask Dr. Drew. It's a pleasure to be here. Tomorrow we have Dr. Latipo, I think is how we pronounce his name. I've. Welcome to Ask Dr. Drew. It's a pleasure to be here. Tomorrow we have Dr. Latipo, I think is how we pronounce his name. I've been saying Lapido forever. Turns out that we have some closer relationships than I realized, which is really interesting. I've known people that knew him during medical school. He's somebody I've sort of admired and sort of been interested in from afar. It'll be a pleasure to speak with him tomorrow with Dr. Kelly.

He, of course, is the Surgeon General for the state of Florida. So where shall I start here? It's interesting to me, as I said, by talking to some of these alternative physicians and opinions that I normally would hear from and normally sort of interact with in developing my medical opinions. It's now clear that they have been filtered. I don't know if you guys just saw the post that just came up from Matt Taibbi and Barry Weiss, which is that apparently James Baker was the attorney unknown to Elon Musk who was filtering not just the previous sort of

how things were filtered out on Twitter, apparently was also the one that was filtering the material being presented to Elon Musk and Matt Taibbi. There it is. Over the weekend, while we were both dealt with obstacles to new searches, Barry Weiss discovered that the person in charge of releasing the files was someone named Jim.

When she called to ask Jim's last name, the answer came back, Jim Baker. And he was immediately fired when Elon Musk became aware of this. They didn't use the word like firing. Look down further, you'll see the euphemism they used. But the point is, I don't care. The point is that information was being strangely filtered by somebody that's an attorney with no medical background. And the news that Baker was reviewing the Twitter file surprised everyone. To say the least, the new Twitter chief, Elon Musk, acted quickly to exit Baker on Tuesday. Exit was the word.

That was today, I imagine. So we'll see what that all leads to. I don't understand. This is one of the first thing I'm confused about. I'm confused about a lot today. And when we go out on the Twitter spaces, maybe you guys can help me. I am confused why free expression is threatening to people. I don't understand it. If somebody says something that is problematic and offensive, push back or delete or block. That's all.

You don't have to listen to these people. But to not allow physicians to exchange ideas in a public forum is just bizarre. That's how we, I mean, it's literally the day-in, day-out practice of medicine is about having differing opinions and sort of challenging each other. And the fact that it was sort of the first thing I noticed in the pandemic was this freezing of doctors and then an unwillingness to speak up about anything. And that from the beginning, I'm not blaming Twitter for that. That was us.

I think that was because doctors were, I did not know how many of us were employees and people were afraid of losing their employment. Now, why employers took that position is contrary to proper practice. And we're going to have to do something about that, but that's a medical problem, not a Twitter problem. So my first source of confusion is why this is so threatening and problematic to people and why you would expect Twitter to fail because of that. And I don't know, it's very hard for me to get my head around. So the next thing is where we are with vaccines, right? And the information that's out on vaccine therapy. It's interesting to me that by speaking to all these people with different kinds of opinion, Susan has become alarmed at vaccine

therapies, I would say. Was that being an overstatement of your position? No, you're right on. Okay. That is not my position. That is not my position. And I've been trying to sort of persuade Susan that kind of slow down. And any of the other of you out there that have sort of been reinforced in your opinion

or have been developing more anti-vaccine feelings, slow down, right? We do know, as I've said repeatedly, that it is beneficial for the elderly population. I'm seeing it clinically every day. It's helping them. It's changed the whole dynamic of the pandemic. In that age group was the most at risk for dying. We should be focused on them, maybe them alone. I don't have a problem with that. I don't either. That's who it affected the most.

I have seen long COVID triggered by the vaccine in people over the age of 60. I've not seen any real adverse events after the age of 75. Could there be, I mean, we still have this other problem that I can't understand, which is that expected mortality is up 10% above where it should be. So where there's 10% more deaths per day in the world, in most countries, not Africa so much, interestingly, but in the Western world, certainly, then would be predicted. And the UK seems to be moving towards discussion about this. But nobody else. This should be an emergency.

It is millions of people. We've contorted ourselves into all kinds of pretzel positions to try to save a million that we did not save. They died anyway. And now we're doing nothing for what might prove to be tens of millions. And, by the way, we're doing nothing. We showed net. Just some data came out. I tweeted before we came on.

Suicide rate is up in young people. We're doing nothing about that. Overdose rate is up. We're doing nothing about that. Mental health, loneliness, depression, anxiety, we're doing nothing really about that. Overdose rate is up. We're doing nothing about that. Mental health, loneliness, depression, anxiety, we're doing nothing really about that. And so these are massively affecting people. On the scale of tens of millions, we're doing nothing. Again, confusing to me. I don't get it. But back to the vaccine. So I still recommend it in my elderly population. Could

there be a problem with it that we uncover or is longer term horizon? Yeah, there could be. I published a big piece of paper, a big Nature article yesterday, I put it out on Twitter, that showed was good evidence about using the vaccine in the elderly population. The paper did not do a good job of breaking down sort of a vaccine, a vaccine and COVID problems as you get into the younger groups. And there was no real assessment that was clear enough that I could see a relative risk, which is the ultimate question. So we now have pretty good evidence that the incidence of myocarditis, pericarditis, and we're seeing other stuff in terms of rhythm disturbances and things in young males uh i would say 40 to 15 that's the sort of the window really primarily like 17 to 30

35 something like that is really where the big concern is and we're i'm clinically seeing a lot of stuff there there's stuff happening i'm not seeing it from covet i'm not seeing it from covet and the elderly not seeing it from covet and the young not seeing it from COVID in the elderly. I'm not seeing it from COVID in the young people. Might we see it one day soon? Yeah, we might. And could that, by the way, could that excess mortality, that 10% excess mortality that we're seeing in the Western world, could all be caused by COVID?

Yes. Could it all be caused by the vaccine? Yes. Could it all be caused by the lockdown? Yes, because nobody's done anything to sort out what it actually is. So my bet is it's some combination of things. It's my bet. That's usually how things work out in medicine.

So back to the vaccine and these young males. There is good evidence that if we spaced out the vaccine, the initial series, we could reduce some of these events. Why aren't we? Why didn't we? It's not going to really change much in terms of the immunogenicity caused. I don't understand. Why aren't we doing that? And then we're pushing boosters and vaccines all the

way down to, I'm seeing babies now being recommended to have vaccine. I don't understand why. I don't understand. I really would like to understand. The incidence of serious illness in childhood in a healthy child approaches zero. It's not zero, but it approaches zero. Now, there was a study that came out that showed that it may reduce hospitalization. And let's be super clear about vaccine. There's one thing we all have to agree upon. It doesn't prevent infection and it doesn't prevent transmission. So you're doing nothing for anybody else. There's teachers unions infection and it doesn't prevent transmission. So you're doing nothing for anybody else. There's teachers unions that want it because they don't want their teachers to get infected. You're not doing that. You're not doing it by getting kids infected.

So my question is, if there are, people are pushing the notion that there's lots of side effects from COVID itself, which no doubt is true. If you're not preventing infection, not preventing hospitalization, not preventing transmission, why do we want kids exposed to the added risk of the vaccine and the effects of COVID for six months of semi-decent coverage? I don't understand. I'm confused. Somebody's got to explain that to me. So I've literally dug in. I've tried to look at the younger populations and the recommendations that they have the COVID vaccine by looking at measles, right? So measles is a vaccine that stops the infection. It eliminates the disease.

Not like the COVID vaccine, which gives you six months, 12 months, something. We're not sure. We're not sure. We're not sure. And 85% of children, not infants, not young people, but children have been exposed to COVID. They have antibody. And we have no study on COVID plus vaccination. Is that a good thing, a better thing, more risk? We have no studies on that.

We have just vaccine. And so I started trying to figure out what about measles? Okay. So measles before vaccine, best estimate I could come up with was it caused about 6,000 deaths a year in this country. I'm having trouble finding an estimate of COVID deaths in certain age groups younger, less than five say. The best I can come up with is about 500 deaths. And and those were according to my pediatric friends, not well children, but let's sort of put that aside. So 500 versus 6,000, is that, is it that our risk tolerance is, is a zero thing in, in children that like there has to be zero deaths before we're going to be okay.

That may be true. And that will help me understand why they're pushing the vaccine so hard. And the problem, of course, is we don't really know the effect on children. No other country in the world is doing this. We're doing it. And I don't see the data. I see some data, and I think pediatricians are getting familiar with and comfortable with the vaccine, but I don't see good data that suggests it's, again, the relative risk of the infection versus the vaccine warrants the vaccine. And in the younger males, that 17 to 35-year-old group, there was a publication yesterday also that showed the relative risk clearly is worse

for the vaccine than for COVID. And the particular authors involved were attacked as having had previous sort of anti-vaccine sort of positions and stuff. And I get that. I approach all these articles with skepticism, as we all should. The point is it is an evolving science, an evolving clinical experience. And I just have more questions than anything else. As you've seen me ask most of these questions in this little diatribe I'm reviewing here, which is, I don't understand why the absolutely adamant pushing of vaccines in certain age groups. I don't understand why we didn't space the Moderna vaccine for young males.

I don't understand why we're pushing on college campuses where there's zero, there been zero evidence that having that age group vaccinated does anything. I just don't get it. It's contrary to how I've understood medicine to be. And my fear is that much like everything in this pandemic, there's a weird political energy around everything that if you're in one team or the other team and you're not allowed to look at the data from the other team. And that's how people got, that's why I started talking to people from alternative positions, just to see what the other team had to say. And I get that the CDC has difficult decisions to make. I don't understand why it's not more in line with the rest of the world, at least.

And if you watch Dr. John Campbell, he's starting to ask very serious questions. And he's been airing sort of some of the discussions in the parliament. They've been very good. They've been very good little presentations. No one is speaking the truth. Do not get deep into any sort of paranoia about this. There's not a snidely whiplash twirling his mustache with a bag of cash. That does not happen. There is a cozy relationship with the CDC and the regulatory agencies and the big pharmaceutical companies, okay, that may have some influence on motivation and choices. It may, or it may not, but it may. Let's talk about it. The same thing applies to any conversation, interestingly. There's so many different areas where this is all the same, where you're not allowed to talk about things. And that's why I immediately become suspicious. You shouldn't become paranoid. It's not a conspiracy. It's much like if you saw a day

before yesterday, I guess it was, when Matt Taibbi posted the Twitter files, you saw all these people saying the same thing. Oh, how much does it feel, Matt, to be doing the PR for a billionaire, to be the laptop for a billionaire, to do the PR for a billionaire? I saw that, quote, 500 times, 300 times at least. So there is something about social media that people, they're forming mobs, and those mobs tend to say and do the same thing. And we should be watching for that. We should be pushing back on that. We should be sure that we're not a part of that. And so what was I just talking about? I was talking about, so when you talked about things like, where did this virus come from? You're not allowed to

talk about certain things. And I spoke to Matt Ridley on this show and there's some interesting stuff. And I've been following Alina Chan and want to talk to her. And there's some interesting stuff there. What are you putting up there, Caleb? Like one or five of the 5,000 posts that are using the same exact phrases. PR for the richest man in the world. PR for world's richest man. PR for the world's richest man. It's just every single tweet says the same thing.

PR for Musk. Lapdog for Musk. It's bizarre. If you're prone to conspiracy thinking, you must think, oh my God, they all got on the phone with each other and decided what they were going to say. I don't think it's that. I think it's more of a spontaneous mob behavior. I could be wrong. I could be wrong about any of the things I'm talking about. I'm totally prepared to be wrong. One thing that has been a positive input from the pandemic for me is it has made me much more humble about my opinions, less hubristic, and willing to adjust and really listen carefully and to take my time at forming opinions.

Here's Alina Chan. Why is it important to find out if lab leak was suppressed on Twitter to identify mechanisms if they exist by which legitimate scientific questions can be shut down on this platform and to find ways to prevent this from continuing to happen? That's right. That's correct. And you notice that Elon Musk and his team has not gotten to the medical and all that stuff yet. Uh, that will be very, very interesting when that

comes out. So there you are. That's my confusion. That's my questions. That's where I'm kind of at right now. I'm sorry. I wasn't looking at the restream. I'll look at it right now uh i called casey anthony a psycho did i call him i don't think i called her that um i think you were she's a liar a sociopath i called her a sociopath maybe what was that i didn't i hadn't realized because i haven't watched it yet but i got messages that said you were a clip of you was in that new casey anthony documentary oh no apparently i was prominently featured in it oh and i remember talking to the yeah no we're in it a lot and we covered that we covered the story extensively and i actually was defending casey anthony until i got to know people that knew because i could tell there was

there's too much going on again it was much like this much like what we're talking about today and there was too much going on and and um i knew the truth was being just sort of obscured by the mob behavior. And it was the HLN group and stuff. Sky Queen says, confusion equals not willing to address the evidence. No, I am more than willing to address the evidence.

Please send me the evidence. The problem is there's as much evidence as you have in one direction, there's evidence in the other direction. And so, yes, I'm more than willing to. I'm every day looking at the evidence and trying to figure out if I can refine my position. What I don't understand is that there's not a rush

to clarify some of these things that need clarification. Vinay Prasad, Ellen, has been on this show multiple times. So anyway, Casey Anthony, I was sort of taking on this psychologist that was defending her. And I said, look, she's been lying constantly. Her big thing was lying. And she'd had previous clinical behavior. So chronic lying, criminal behavior, it's sort of sociopathic stuff, maybe borderline. And we just were just, that's all. There's no such thing as psycho. So I'm not calling anybody psycho. I might've said sociopathy. I might've said that's all. There's no such thing as psycho. So I'm not calling anybody psycho.

I might have said sociopathy. I might have said that. Okay, I'm looking at you guys. Let's look at the Twitter rants. Oh, Susan, there's nothing on Twitter. What's going on? I mean on Rumble. What's happening there?

They're there. They're there? You guys are quiet. The restream is going pretty brisk. There's a lot of people. And we got 20 bucks from uh pay it thank you he says oh there it is for some reason it didn't show up there it is okay so you have to read it if you pay us money we have to read your question okay what was it at this point

i'm trying to see it at this point i'm left to assume the vaccination push for children is malicious with the known understanding it will cause massive injury and death where'd you go i just gave that whole diatribe and twitter spaces i gave a 30 minute diatribe twitter spaces and you didn't hear a word of it and i apologize drew they could hear you i was not they could hear you because your phone was right next to you it was just not they can't hear any of us anyone else okay they heard you okay you should hear me better oh you weren't plugged in i wasn't plugged in of course i did not see the diet suddenly documentary i'm intentionally not watching it because i feel like it's excessive i think it i

think just showing this stuff and stirring people up is a mistake and that bothers me a little bit i'm willing to talk to somebody like dr uh ryan cole who has a bunch of evidence that's concerning to just understand that there's some concerning findings out there not to draw any conclusions um thanks for the cash drew they were obviously a conspiracy why were all dissident voices silenced unanimously the vaccine was only solution to the pandemic they knew it didn't work and they tried to mandate it it's sick and twisted julius i don't think it's that simple. I really don't.

People are not, it's not that simple. It was a much more complicated situation. There's a lot of people that were doing their best. The problem is hubris, certainty, and then this strange phenomenon, also confusing to me, where people seem to be like, really? You're going to stand up to me?

Well, I'll show you. That was a very odd piece of this story. And that's what I just called the excesses, the excesses. Susan, I'm sorry, I didn't hear the rumble question. You didn't hear it? No, what was it? Why? No, no, the one you just read.

I'm sorry, I wasn't listening. You didn't hear it? Here it is. At this point, I'm't listening. You didn't hear it? Here it is. At this point, I'm left to assume the vaccination push for children is malicious. With the known understanding it will cause massive injury and death. Payette, Payette, Payette. I think that's a deeply pessimistic way of looking at the world. That's how I feel.

I just don't encounter that. It's just not been my... Not all kids are going to have i i i just don't i just don't encounter that it's just not been my not all kids are going to have injury but i don't know it's just kind of scary i wouldn't want my kids to have to get it unless they had to do it for a sport well how about yeah for school stuff travel out of the country and douglas had a terrible reaction to it and and so again if we had more if you had more, you know, reasonableness to it. I don't want them to get the boosters 16 times. That's BS. That's what, what are we doing? What exactly, what are we doing? The common cold when you get sick.

I know what I'm doing after the age of 75. I get it. I know what I'm doing. I know what I'm doing with Paxlovid after the age of 65. Under that, I have no idea what we're doing. It's just not there yet. I understand there's some supportive evidence. I get it. I've seen it. Like I said, I look at the Nature article I put up yesterday. It was a little convoluted and difficult, but it was certainly pointing in a certain direction for sure.

And it supported certainly my decision to vaccinate my elderly patients and boost them. I wouldn't take it if I was a nursing mother. I wouldn't take it if I was pregnant with triplets. Well, this is another sorts of confusion for me i i didn't drink my entire pregnancy and you know how hard that is nine months come on everybody so this was so this was another piece wait oh you interrupted me with that sorry what was the other thing that confused me sorry no but i mean everybody has their own choices to make, you know? And if you personally don't think it's the right thing for you and your body and your children's body, then you need to make that choice.

Yeah. My body, my choice. IED, so foot-long blood clots are normal. Go listen to Dr. Ryan Cole, the interview we did with him. I think that was a reasonable interview talking about reasonably about some. Clearly not everyone is having side effects from the vaccine, guys. Billions of doses, thousands of problems. We've got to figure out who is at risk, when it's worth that risk.

Early on, let's think about it. There's a rush to the vaccine. Remember, it was safety over Alice followed by vaccine over Alice. That was the government policy. Keep safe. Follow the government policy keep safe follow the chinese policy another confusing thing why we were convinced that china and by the way there's still some sort of you'll read in these public health communications you know like fauci was uh just recently deposed and in there he was sort of talking about uh an admiration for what the chinese were doing. It's like, wow, how you can admire what they're doing is too much, too much. They are not, you can't control a respiratory virus this way.

If it worked, I'd be in support of it. If it just worked, it does not work and it causes harm. Risk reward, harm avoidance, do no harm is our mandate. And boy, for very little uh what's that susan i just i'm watching that thread and people that are disagreeing with you but drew's a very moderate um scientific type of person and he plays devil's advocate with everything so like if he looks at both sides and then he makes a decision and he's usually right in the middle so he's not going one way and say it's bad and then he makes a decision. And he's usually right in the middle. So he's not going one way and say it's bad

and then the other way and say it's great. You reminded me now what my other source of confusion was. Why is it to, this is almost comical to me, why is it to have targeted populations to vaccinate makes you anti-vax? That is the most bizarre thing in the world to me. That's like saying, hey, we should be giving that pneumonia vax and shingles vax to six months old.

Really? Is that what we do? No, we give it to 60-year-olds. Is it true that they're mixing the mRNA with the shingles vaccination in the future? Because somebody said that on the stream, and I have to get one. Shingrix, let's see what kind of vaccine it is. I have not thought about that in a long time.

Stop to do that. I'm just putting it off. I don't know why. Well, it's a good vaccine. It's a nasty one. I'll get a pretty sad. I don't think it is. I'll probably take it and not feel a thing.

Yeah. Okay. I'll be fine. Oh, shit. As my mother used to say, you'll die of something else. Shingles vaccine. I'm sorry to make a poll on this. It's not easy to find this information.

I come from junkyard genes. What do you know? How well does it work? Blah, blah, blah. Side effects. Junkyard dog genes. Yeah, I had a nasty reaction to Shingles both times. It doesn't say. I'm not sure. Yeah, but you have reactions to everything like that. Yes, I do. Yes, I had a nasty reaction to shingrix both times. It doesn't say.

I'm not sure. Yeah, but you have reactions to everything like that. Yes, I do. Yes, I do. And I did poorly with viruses generally. I know. You're making me not want to take it. Let me just go take it.

No, no, no. Take it. Take it. It's a good vaccine. I have to get a tooth pulled. I mean, Jesus, that's worse. Yes, I agree. All right.

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Sorry, welcome back. Get my ears back in here. We're trying to figure out, I'm sitting here trying to figure out what is in the Shingrix. Somebody on the restream mentioned Zostavax, which is not the current vaccine. The current is a two-parter called Shingrix. It's much more effective. Okay, let's go to calls. So you guys have some hands up here. We will go to it. This is Nate. Nate, I have some questions. This is, you have to, remember everybody, you have to unmute the mic in the lower left-hand corner to get on the air here. And I'm looking at the restream while I'm waiting for you guys to pile up.

There you are, Nate. What's going on? Hey, Dr. Drew. I actually work kind of in the tech field, but there's some interesting questions on there. but I've had COVID twice now, non-vaccinated, uh, got it in January of 20 and then got it about three months ago. What would be one thing that you would recommend the most of as far as like for the pay attention for long COVID symptoms? Well, there's actually two differing sorts of concerns these days, right? One is long COVID,

which is pretty obvious when you have that. It's fatigue, it's mental fogginess, it's, you know, sleep disturbances, aches and pains, weakness of various types, shortness of breath. That's all the sort of long COVID thing. And that follows immediately on the heels of the COVID. There is this lingering concern that COVID causes something called an endothelitis, which is the lining of our arteries become inflamed by COVID.

There's good evidence that happens in our brain and causes what's called a microangiopathy. And that's where some of the problems come neurologically. Now, your brain is much more resilient than you might imagine. It ends up being kind of like a head injury clinically in point of fact. So very few people have real focal damage. The question, though, is, is any of that going to trigger something else, MS or dementia or some other vascular pathology, autoimmune disease or something?

And we don't know the answer to that yet. I don't know. Susan and I were talking about this last night because we were watching You're Dead to Me with Christina Applegate, and I guess she has MS now. And I was just thinking about, I mean, she's this lovely person. She's an amazing person in real life and this incredibly skilled actress. And I thought, oh, what a pain to deal with that. And I started ruminating. I could have anything to do with COVID or anything with the vaccine.

We don't know. This all needs to be sorted out yet. But I will tell you that Omicron, which is uncertainly what you had in your second go-round, gives you pretty good immunity, so you can look forward to a few months of good immunity. Cool. Thank you. I appreciate it. You got it. And the other thing is if you do get long COVID,

what to do about it, And this is very complicated. We were thinking about getting Dr. Yogendra and Dr. Patterson back in here to talk about some of the stuff they've been doing. As I said, fluvoxamine worked for me. They're using it in Paxlovid for it now. It's kind of all over the place. It's a syndrome and not a diagnosis at this point. And so syndrome means it's a constellation of symptoms

that don't yet have a common biology that we know of yet. So it's a constellation of symptoms that don't yet have a common biology that we know of yet. So it's just, we don't know. Let's see. We're going to get Jacques up there. Jacques. Jacques. Now we're connecting with Jacques. Anybody else wants to raise their hand? You'd be streaming out on multiple platforms. It's Twitter, Twitch, Rumble, Facebook, YouTube. Twitter. Twitter, as I said. YouTube and Rumble are the biggest audience.

Rumble beats YouTube, believe it or not. That's crazy. And that might have something to do with how these things are, again, this might be some of the boosting versus not boosting and how people are suppressed versus not suppressed. Who knows? Jacques, you have to unmute yourself i'm trying to think how to say that have to do with rumble or the vaccine what's that what boosting

and not boosting that that had to do no yeah that had to do with are you uh all from the devil or are you just talking money are we from the devil or talking money i'm from the devil susan's i can officially say that. Are you? I'm from the light. I'm just asking a question. We try to be from the light. Yeah, Drew's from the light.

Yes, from the light and COVID viruses and all those funny things are all hoaxes. I wish that were so. I find it very interesting that everybody can waste their time talking about a lot of shit. Did you have COVID yourself? Can you explain COVID to me quickly? Then I can maybe answer you.

Well, when I had it, I was desperately ill. My blood pressure was down. My pulse was down. I had high fevers. I was short of breath. I was desaturated. Give me a date. Give me a date, brother.

Give me a date. That I got that? Christmas Eve 2020. That's when I got it. And it was, and then I responded. I got better with a monoclonal antibody infusion. In fact, during the infusion, I got better. It sounds like I had it two years before you, brother.

You may have had something else. I had it in 2018. Yeah, I had H1N1 in 2010. I thought I had it in 2019. Yeah, and it was pretty bad. H1N1 is a rough one, man. But they didn't really have the tests, you know, at that point. But anyway, anything else,acques guess guess kaspas

yes there's there's a big question on my mind um it is a simple question okay somehow i feel that's not going to be the case but go ahead okay no Okay, now it's really, really a simple one. Okay. When will people be really free? That's deep. Good question. We ask ourselves that every day. I love the question.

I love the question. Let's struggle with it here a little bit. It's not a simple question uh but it's a profound question what do you think susan when will people be you're more profound than i am well i know that people that practice sort of buddhist kinds of pursuits talk about certain kinds of real freedom and it's freedom from entanglement with desires freedom from social entanglements all these entanglements that we have that you can free yourself from that free from death like free from fear of death i think it's kind of like a fear of death we have

that we're all trapped in right now because we've been i i prefer to think about uh oh tom cigars why is dr campbell pissed what's he pissed about i i prefer to think about freedom as sort of i i'm not looking for satori i'm looking for optimum functioning in the world with humans that's all and if i could do it with uh fluidity and joy and uhencumbered, I'm in. I'm in. That's all I'm looking for. So I don't know, my friend, Jacques. Good luck on that pursuit.

I don't know what Jacques thinks. I don't. I don't know we're going to. We don't have time. Yeah. We have to get to the comment. We've got a lot of people that want to come up. Thank you, Jacques.

Annabelle, I think. There you are. You're up. Hi, Dr. Annabelle, I think. There you are. You're up. Hi, Dr. Drew. Hey there. I just want to speak about something you mentioned earlier. You admitted that you were slightly concerned about myocarditis in young men between, I can't remember, the age of 17. I'd say 17 and 30.

17 and 35. That's really the group I've seen a lot of stuff in. Yeah. My question is, you said you were happy to still continue to jab the elderly. As we know, the elderly's immune system is weakened. It's not strong. Surely, if the jab is causing myocarditis in young men, what on earth is it doing to elderly people? Well, remember, myocarditis is an exuberant immune response. That's what it's called. It's itis, inflammation. And it might, in fact, one of the thoughts I have had is one of the reasons we don't see that in the elderly is precisely what you're talking about. Their immune system is

different, and it doesn't react with the same exuberance that a young person's does. And as we know, when the immune system gets overstimulated, it starts to hit joints. It starts to hit skin. It starts to hit, in the case of the spike protein, the endothelium. And so I suspect your point, that I understand the point you're making, but it's the very reason I think that we don't see any of this in the elderly population. My fear is that we might see some endothelitis down the road that causes cerebral vascular problems or some suppression of immune function. There's some people that believe that happens. Then we got a problem.

But thus far, there's really no evidence of that. Okay? Thank you. Can I just add one more thing? Of course. As a doctor or scientist, I think it surprises me that you won't watch the documentary because I think you should. Because there's a lot of vaccine-damaged people in your space right now listening to you, Doctor.

Did you see the interview I did with Ryan Cole last week? Not yet, sir. No. Look at that. We cover all this. And I feel like covering it with our peers is a better way to cover it than watching a documentary. I just worry about documentaries. I never know the choices that people make that are making the documentary.

And I don't want that to adulterate my opinion. We get into the clots in great detail with Dr. Cole. And I think you might enjoy the, we look at all the endothelial linings and we look at the pathology specimens and we talk about what the postmortems are and what he's received and what he's seeing out there. So it's-

Can I say something? Yes, you can. I love the part where he said at a fetus under his, under his desk in a box that somebody had just sent him. He was going to take a look at it. It was like, you do? Pathologists are so brainy. This is, they really are. They're really interesting people. There he is. There's Dr. Ryan Cole and Caleb what are you showing

you're showing the just him just the to get people to go there yeah just so that people can go find that or do you want to air or do you want to air something

do you want to air a couple minutes of some of the heavier stuff they can go if they go it was very well received we had a half a million views so people really

you know they passed it along I worry guys about documentaries. Documentaries generally have a point of view and they're, they're very, they, they make a great case without showing you any of the alternative positions.

And that's, I'm not, I'm not into that. I worry about that in, in either direction, in any direction. And now, I mean,

I guess there could be a documentary about what they're finding at twitter and stuff but even then you would say i don't know it's kind of like being a historian or using the news media for your information like you either read the history or you watch you know people say whatever they want to say so you have to be be careful what you... And David Morris, I get that there's a lot of sudden deaths. I get it. I get it. I'm seeing it. But I'm not sure what's happening. I'm not sure what it is. This is Patrick. What's going on, Patrick? Wow. So this is... I'm a little shell-shocked. So and foremost i've never been on air so dr drupinski it is a honor to talk to you you're doing you're doing good you're good what's up um so it was in recollection on one of the callers you had previously i mean i don't know where he was getting like the the covid in 2018. I don't, I don't believe that. I don't either. I feel, I do feel, um, so in 2019

around November of 2019, I feel like I had caught in COVID. Like I was sick for like three weeks. But I will tell you, Patrick, there, there there were a lot of there was something going around at that time that did look a lot like covid but wasn't and and a lot of people i've talked to a lot of people uh back in 2020 in the spring of 2020 who were telling me that and i tested them for antibodies none of them had it not a single person who told me they had COVID in the fall had the antibodies. But it is interesting. I feel like the tests weren't good enough at that point. The antibody tests were excellent. They were? In terms of yes or no, I had the exact symptoms. I understand. You were one of the people.

Then I didn't catch it like a year later when you got it. Correct, but you did get Omicron. So, I don't know. I don't know. Omicron is probably the craziest COVID. I know I caught Omicron. I've had Omicron twice. I was sick for like two days.

And it was prolific cold sweats and hot flashes. Nonstop. You have to get up and go to the bathroom and you're shivering the entire time while you're going to the bathroom like yeah it's a fever right yeah let's get your body going into fever so yeah it it every it affects everybody differently like the first time i had it it was in my throat the second time i had it it was my

you know different place yeah the first time was a chest and the second time and again, this virus causes all this diffuse inflammation and cytokine activation, all this stuff, it's quite a protean manifestation. It's one of the weird aspects. It's a weird illness. And then it takes three days to know that you have it after you take 10 tests. Well, that's another thing. The testing, people don't really talk about this very much, but the testing is all over the place. Some people convert right away. Some people don't really talk about this very much but the testing is all over the place some people are convert right away some people don't convert for three days some people convert for you know for four hours and then they go negative i was three days and the

second time i had to swab my throat not my nose because it didn't work in my nose it's weird if i may if i may add you're talking to somebody who is unvaccinated and i've never been tested either that's the crazy like like, like, you know, the, the narrative of the media was like, I should have been dead already. I know. Yeah. The fear that I'm, I, I find the, the use of fear that the media and the public health officials used reprehensible, truly reprehensible. And,. And I do not think we should ever do anything like that ever again. It was really, I mean, inadvisable, terrible idea. So, all right, this is.

Yeah, I'm almost at the point now of not even testing if I get sick. You know what I mean? It's like, because you have to sit alone for five days because you have to be, you know, do your duty. What times I got, I was in New York. I just sat there for five days, you know, cooped you know, do your duty. Both times I got, I was in New York. I just sat there for five days, you know, cooped up. This is Tanya on the line. My life's too short. That is for sure.

Hey, Tanya. Good evening to both of you. You as well. I had a couple, just a question real quick. I had COVID positive test in August of 2020. I've been positive for antibodies. Just the yes and no one. I did join John Hopkins study on the natural immunity of the unvaccinated because I'm unvaccinated.

And they did, you know, sent me to LabCorp where they actually give you a number of what your antibody level is. Yeah. In September of 2021, I was at 33.5. And that was all, they just kind of got those numbers and they kind of, you know, did their study. And I think they published it. Well, I've been studying my own, you know, going back to LabCorp. And it's kind of interesting because it was starting to go down, you know, since they had done it, but here lately it's going back up. So now I'm, you know, back up again. So should I interpret that as I've possibly had COVID again or been exposed or? Well, that's, that's the really interesting thing that the whole

notion of re-exposure has just, it's just not been explored. Uh, we don't know that's the answer. And, and, you know. That's the answer. And, you know, there's IgA and IgG and IgM and there's nuclear capsid proteins, antibodies, and there's all these different antibodies that we should be producing. And there's neutralizing antibodies, which I hope that's what they were testing you for. And we have no... They did. Yeah. But we have no...

Nuclear capsid too. Oh, good. Okay. So all of it. So we have no standardized way of understanding what this all means yet. That's the real problem. I mean, the trends are very interesting, and I'm glad you watched that. And to answer your question, if I were betting, I'd bet yes.

That'd be my bet. Okay. Yeah, because I haven't, you know, came down with COVID that I know of, you know, as far as any positive tests since August of 2020. But it's interesting since, you know, 2020 of August, I still have antibodies. I just had a recent test as of December 1st. It's all, this is all really important. This is the stuff I was just complaining about that we're not, you know, reporting this or putting out preprints or giving people updates on what are they finding?

What does this mean? What should we be thinking? The whole phenomenon of natural immunity and natural immunity plus vaccine, nothing, nothing. And yet that's everybody. That's really everybody. Everybody is either natural immunity because they were unvaccinated or vaccinated and infected. That's the American population right now. And why we have neither of those populations actually studied is just bizarre.

It's really bizarre. It's crazy. Well, thank you so much for taking me along. All right. You bet. Keep us posted. It's very interesting. And if there's new publications, please let us know.

We'll read them with great interest. This is, hold on a second. Bohemian. I don't see what your actual name is. Whoops. Hold on. Bohemian. There you go.

Somebody, no. All right. While we're waiting for bohemian you there hi yeah i'm here yeah welcome um just wanted to ask a couple of questions okay um first one is how do you know that you had omicron there's lots of people in the uk at the moment that are saying that they're real with omicron but i don't know how they know they've got omicron there's lots of people in the uk at the moment that are saying that they're real with omicron but i don't know how they know they've got omicron so how would you know well if you were not phenogenotyped if you did not study for exactly what type was present when i got infected so i had alpha delta probably at alpha or delta right because i was infected initially when those were the only two variants around then i got something again that was very different uh in a year and a half later

that at a time when 98 of the infections were omicron so that's my conclusion so you don't actually know that's just no that's my conclusion. Just play in the clinical picture and the numbers. And by the way, interestingly, I infected everybody in my family with an illness that was much, much milder than the one that – it was me and my son that had the Alpha Delta variant. And everything was just different. It was a whole different kind of kind of clinical presentation right okay and the next question final question would be this is something i've never understood why did the tests have to be so invasive to the back of your throat right up your nose when we were told about the social distancing and you can spread it from six feet or whatever it is.

So why wouldn't you just have like a mouth swab or a tongue swab? There are people that... Why would you desperately find it? Well, that was the original vaccine, right? That was the original rather testing. Later tests did get the anterior chamber of the nose. They were just in the front. Or you could do your throat. People did do that kind of thing. Later tests did get the anterior chamber of the nose. They were just in the front.

Or you could do your throat. People did do that kind of thing. Exactly what technically was needed, I don't know. But I do know that most viral swabs do require a high nasal swab. I don't know why technically that's the case. That's not something exclusive to Omicron or to COVID. I remember when I had H1N1 in 2010, or maybe it might've been even before that. Yeah, I think it was 2010. I had H1N1 rather. And I went to the emergency room because I was really sick. I mean, worse than COVID. And the first thing they would shove that

thing way up my nose and I was shocked. I was like, wow, do you have to do that? And they're like, yeah, that's for these viral tests. That's how we do it right now. So that was that at the time. Let's bring Winston in here. Susan, everything okay? You're running around. Winston, what's up?

Oh, how do we get? Oh, yeah, it does. How does one get rid of the mRNA and spike protein in their body? We don't know. That's the answer to that. I wish I'd asked Dr. Cole that. I was thinking about that when I talked to him. But I don't know of how that would work other than time.

I assume it just happens with time. He's going to come back. Oh, yeah. We're going to have a part two with Dr. Cole. So that is definitely one of the questions I will ask him. So promise i'll try to get that question answered i don't think he'll have an answer though i think it again it's it's in the lining of the arteries and arteries are becoming inflamed as a result how do you get it out your immune system i guess has to clear it like any other foreign protein and that takes time and the question is does it ever fully clear i

don't know the answer to that. Winston. Wasn't Dr. McCullough talking about that? Yeah, people have said to me that it never clears. I don't know. Something bad about that? Like it stays in the breast milk? Yeah, they've all said it can stay in the myocardium. I don't know.

I don't know if I buy that. Well, we have to have Dr. McCullough back too. Okay. He would probably answer that question. Dr. Malone and Dr. McCullough have gotten a little bit... I see people getting a little too over their skis,

a little too certain of things, and I caution against that. Some of the things I've been seeing them say lately, I'm like, pull back. Everybody pull back. We don't know that. We just don't know it. Now, they may believe the evidence is there for them to say that but please give us that evidence when you say things that are

sort of really right you only get the sound bites of the stuff they're saying that it could possibly be and whether or not they're sure of it yeah all right go ahead there winston what's up what's happening dr drew um man you really hit the nail on the head with mccullough there uh i've just been noticing over the past like month or so that I'm like, Jesus, he's like a degree away from nanobots at this point. It's wild. It's so disappointing to me. It's really disappointing to me.

I'm like, dude, come on now. Come on. Come on. It's really vexing me because I'm like, this guy had all the bona fides you could ask for. And I don't know if it's like playing to his own crowd a little bit and it's kind of ramped up. So here's what I think.

You tell me. There is this weird feedback of reinforcement that you have to be careful about. Oh, absolutely. You hear all these people that are enthusiastic in one direction or another. Here, it's easy to get swept into that. Again, back to the mob. We can easily get swept into a mob, number one.

Number two, he's probably really frustrated and is pushing back harder and harder. And I think as the ability to speak up has become more evident, like it's easier to speak up now than it was, say, six he may not hear himself i hope that's yeah i hope i don't know for me it's just again like you're taking a contrarian stance especially with something like a topic like you know the vaccines and whatnot like you have to just have all those yes sir he's cross yes you say one thing wrong it's like oh he's a crank no matter 99 of what he says is right. Man, I've really, because I've been on the side of hesitancy, I guess you would be a nice way to say it. Yeah, well, just caution. Caution. Let's get this right. I would call my position people that are very pro-vaccine and stuff, I make sure anything I say is 100% bulletproof. Because again, if you start the one thing proved wrong, they're going to just throw the baby out with the bathwater type of thing. Yes, yes, yes. Yeah, that's true.

It's bad. That's not my question, but that just kind of got me thinking about it. But my question is around the monoclonal antibodies. And I just saw yesterday, it seems to me, and again, I'll strap on the tinfoil for this. Like I said, it's been so methodical, vaccine or bust, vaccine or bust. And the monoclonal showed such efficacy. The safe track record, I mean, everything looked golden on those. And they have seemed to have been kind of systematically attacked from the jump. And again, with the tinfoil, I'm like, maybe it's because they're safe and they're working. It's an alternative to the vaccine.

But at any rate, I just read yesterday that the FDA just shot them down again and saying they're not allowed. However, if I wanted to even get the new bivalent booster, like I was talking to my doctor, and they're like, well, you'd have to start with the first two. And I'm like, so wait a minute. You want me, yeah. And it's like square that circle for me. You want me to inoculate twice for strains that are no longer a thing before I can get the third inoculant. That's interesting. I had not thought about that, but that's, and where's Covaxin? Why can't we get Covaxin? If somebody wants to give a

initial vaccine theory, a series, why can't we do it with Covaxin? Is that the Novavax? No, Novavax is available, sort of. And it's had some problems. I'm not as excited. I was excited about that one for a long time. As often as the case, when you start using it on a widespread basis, it doesn't bear fruit the way you wish it would. But Covaxin is the one in India.

It's the one that Monica Gandhi has been espousing for quite some time. That one is a whole virus. So you get much broader immune response. And she took that herself. When she was in India, she took Covaxin. And you could take Covaxin and then take the booster. That would make really interesting.

I mean, interesting. No one has any data on that combo, of course, but that'd be a really interesting combo. Is that widespread across India? Yeah, yeah. I mean, they're No one has any data on that combo, of course, but that'd be a really interesting combo. Is that widespread across India? Yeah, yeah. I mean, they're trying. They're trying. What I understand in India is that they're kind of broken down

similar to how Canada is in three regions or whatever, and they all kind of operate independently, rolling up under the same governing body. But I know that in the early days of the pandemic, certain areas went with the ivermectin kind of Z-Pak protocol. Right, they had these packages that they were sent. The Z-Paks, yeah. And they had super good results with it.

But then the other ones that, of course, then you find there's more big money from certain companies that would benefit otherwise into the ones that had not. I hesitate to even speak more on it because I'm not too familiar with it. But yeah, I'm familiar with the Covaxin. Now I'm going to have to tumble down that rabbit hole. Well, they also waited longer for the Covaxin, right? So it was tested longer? I don't know that that's true. Because I know they didn't get the vaccine

for a really long time. I mean, it's true. It was later. Because I have a friend in Sri Lanka. Oh, really? They were way behind. Did he use Covaxin? They didn't get it.

I was on my booster before they even got their first vaccine. Interesting. But that one probably came out later. It was tested longer. Interesting. Well, these are all interesting and challenging questions that should be answered and why they're not. Again, I'm so mystified by so much. I know.

It's so weird. It's like my head is spinning with COVID facts. While you still have your tinfoil hat on, let's talk about the monoclonal antibodies. I was shocked when I first found out about monoclonal antibodies and then was administered a monoclonal antibody. And I had, I don't know if you look on Instagram live or stories or wherever I put that up, you'll if you look on Instagram live or stories or whatever,

wherever I put that up, you'll see a series of Instagram posts, videos from me sick, telling people, oh my God, I just had an infusion. It was free. The government has bought 500,000 doses and they're sitting on a shelf and you, anyone can have access to it right away, why isn't the public health community, as opposed to chanting about how you need to shelter in place, why aren't they educating people about how to respond to the infection when you get it? Do you notice that there was never any public education about what to do? Should you have an O2 monitor? What is an O2 monitor? When do you know you're in trouble? When should you go back to the hospital?

What about monoclonal antibodies? And I got universally back from everybody, no matter how frequently I chanted this, oh, you're a special person. You could afford it, blah, blah, blah. Free. It was free to everyone. It was already purchased by the government.

And nobody, remember Florida put a bunch of it out? And then they took it away from them where they couldn't get it because they dared to give people. Remember they had mobile units going around doing monoclonal antibodies. I thought, this is it. This is the answer. I'm so glad you brought this up because I'm going to discuss that with the Surgeon General from Florida tomorrow. Do tomorrow do yeah monoclonal antibody mobile units

and yeah they were setting up shop and they were literally taking around to old folks homes and just wholesale but i know that federal funding came in i i'm sure there was wild rumors about them being equestrian antibodies or something. No, no. They never did that weird because it never got to the public. It never got to the mainstream media even. So they didn't have to attack it. Yeah, they didn't have to attack it. So nobody had any opinions about it because they hadn't learned how to pronounce Bamlanivimab yet.

As soon as they learned how to pronounce it, they had an opinion about it, which is fucking ridiculous. And I just saw yesterday that the FDA said, no, no, no. Because I know the FDA had been fairly against them from Jump Street. Against the monoclonal antibodies? Correct. What do you mean by against them? Because they approved them. They've been pulling them back.

Well, they pull them back when they become less efficacious because the monoclonal antibodies are very specific, and if the virus changes, they're no longer useful. So, okay, that's the center point of my question then so is there any logic to the fact that i would have to take the first two shots to get the bivalent but monoclonals you know what i'm saying i guess you could take if you get exposed or sick there is one i think that's still working for omicron i think

i just seemed odd to me that you won't let me have monoclonal antibodies because oh that's an old strain but you want me to take a vaccine for the old strain oh yeah this is all the kind of craziness that makes me go huh this is exactly the kind of thing this is this is another area let's see if i can get for you the one that's working for omicron hang on a second home monoclonal nurses they're still got home infusion nurses all around that are willing to do it. Why is this not? Is it a price thing? Is it because, again, like this works?

It's safe? Yeah, it's Beb-Tolivimab. Beb-Tolivimab is still against the variant, Omicron. B-E-B-E, no, B-E-B-T-E-L-O. I remember I used to laugh at you saying all these words. Well, that was beptelovimab. That's a hell of a word right there. I think that's a branding problem that they have.

Beptelovimab. This is beptelovimab. Beptelovimab is still effective. So there you go. Ask your doctor about beptelovimab. They make it so hard to pronounce so that lay people can't ask for it. Molecular antibodies, as hard enough as it is, if you start making up Dr. Seuss words, I'm out.

All right, Winston, thanks. I'll leave you with this. I just finished a book six months ago or so that I think you'd absolutely love it. It was written in 1898, I believe. It's called The Crowd, A Study of a Popular Mind by Gustav Le Bon. Le Bon, read it twice.

And I brought it out again in the face of all the shit we've been dealing with. I suggest you also check out Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds. And I will tell you, because I got worked up about this when I started seeing all the

narcissism coming. Because I believe, there it is. Because I believe narcissists have a tendency to form, mob, and scapegoat. And so I believe, there it is, because I believe narcissists have a tendency to form, mob, and scapegoat. And so I started reading about it probably, I wanted to put a chapter about it in my book on narcissism and the publisher wouldn't let me do it because they said it was too speculative. And I was saying, there's going to be scapegoating. I know it. It's going to come. And here we are. That's 100% right. But how odd is that? If you think about it, the narcissist only cares about the individual, yet they have a tendency to form groups.

Form group. It's how they manage their aggression. And it's antithetical against the individual, though. They form the group and focus the aggression elsewhere so they don't go at each other. It's narcissistic rage. Narcissistic rage is destructive. It's a destructive rage. And it's got to go somewhere.

And so it's very gratifying to be able to act it out when you can do it with a group and feel safe. You see how it works? I think it was, I think it was Voltaire who said it, that the further a society drifts from the truth, the more they'll hate those who speak it. And that's probably been misattributed to Voltaire, Twain, Orwell, but it definitely seems with these big large mobs anything going counter counter to the narrative like get the ropes string them up type of thing that is exactly what this is and you know the the if history is any teacher it's not until they eat themselves that it stops and so it's a horrifying thought well you know thankfully there's not been actual violence with with this the the violence has been very psychological passive-aggressive it's affecting people's careers and things but but but the the you'll notice that it's already starting to happen it has that kind of religious quality

whether you're either you're either you know in the Canon and you're adapting it or you're sinner and you're dirty and you're outside. Oh, the sacrament and heretics. Right, heretics. But if you're not pure enough, you'll get taken down. So it's inevitable that it starts to eat itself because people are not pure enough. They're tainted in some way and not towing the port-a-line enough. And that's always the way it goes.

That is always the way it goes. You know, we have to kind of wrap things up here. You guys have been great. Let me – Thanks for nerding out. Yeah. Was I nerdy enough, Susan, for you? Was that sufficient?

Susan wants me to be more medical if that's possible. I know. Was that good? Were you able to understand me? You wanted me to talk in such a way that I couldn't be understood. The smarter and more confusing you are, the better the numbers. That's all I know. How was it today?

Good. You did a great job. You always do a great job. Okay. So tomorrow, we are bringing the Florida Surgeon General in here. Yes. Very exciting. So make sure you tune in.

Go and get your notification off of whatever platform you're on. And we'll be going live at 3 p.m. with Kelly, Dr. Kelly and Dr. Joe. And on Thursday, we have a Dr. Wilson. Can anybody tell me what that's about? Yeah. Is that the guy, the debunker guy? I don't know. Maybe. I tried to get... Yes, that's him. I tried to bring other kinds of... The debunkerer the guy that was he's he likes to nitpick everything you say oh good remember you told me to book him yes yes

i want to bring it i didn't know his name so i i'm just assuming that okay that's fine uh and then we have uh we're gonna do a monday show next week we're gonna have somebody fight you on everything you've said the fight that we. You're going to see, hopefully, how we discourse on this thing. Well, at least he accepted. You can have a YouTube channel and take our video and say all the things that you said wrong, but it's nice that he's willing to come and let you, you know. Yeah. David Wiseman next week.

We have just lots of really interesting guests coming up. So stay with us. Wednesday, of course, is always with Kelly Victory, who has very strong opinions. She would not be of the mindset that I expressed today. We've had a lot of great guests because of her. She's been behind the scenes with this stuff for so long. And most of the guests kind of agree with her,

and I respect her, and I disagree with her on a lot of things. And we talk to people. We try to figure things out. I listen. I like to hear all sides. It has been eye-opening to me. And much of the Twitter files has been eye-opening. And also the fact that the press has ignored the Twitter files is just wild.

Yeah, they've been very quiet lately. What is the world we're living in? It's like we need to, I don't know, we need to etch a sketch. I'm telling you, it's a communist plot, honey. Well, I don't know what that means. But I know that it's an odd time and I think we can do better.

It's totalitarianism. It's one-sided. It's not a democracy. You're saying these sort of extreme things i don't know exactly what you mean we are we live in a democracy but the excesses shut out one side well then it's not a democracy but the government wasn't doing that it was a private instrument that was doing that and it is problem is that, okay, let me just quickly say that the First Amendment had been reinterpreted a number of times. There was a lot of energy around the First Amendment after the First World War. It was actually the conscientious

objectors in the First World War that were thought to be traitors that were given protection under First Amendment. And from there, many, many other sort of refinements of the First Amendment interpretation through the Supreme Court have come over 50 years in the middle of the 20th century. And one of them was that the community, so-called, should not suppress alternative opinions that they find distasteful. So that's what we're into now, where the community is actually doing something anathema to the law, frankly. So there we are. That's not the government doing it, but it is the community doing it, and that is a problem. And we're seeing that that interpretation of the First Amendment was actually pretty good, that by suppressing opinions, we're not getting a whole picture. We're not getting to the truth. And that's what we're trying to do here. We want to get to the

truth. It's nice to hear the truth. Well, we're not there yet. We were all quarantined. We were being led around by sheep, like sheep. We had to mask our kids. We had to hide from the stuff. And it just, I don't know, the whole thing. I mean, I'm glad I got to live through it so I can talk about it to my grandchildren. Yes. And salty methods. If you look at who was, you're saying the government was trying to, you know, change the, was trying to censor things. The Trump administration and Democratic senators, or forget it was congressmen, both reached out to Twitter and did try to muscle them. Whether they actually had an impact, I don't know. We know that the campaign had an impact, so I don't know. But both, guys, both are an issue as interpreted by the Supreme Court.

Well, how much did those guys from Twitter that we met at the very beginning, and you got verified like the first week Twitter was alive, you had like 2 million followers overnight. It was like amazing. I had like the first week Twitter was alive. Yeah. Like 2 million followers overnight. It was like amazing. I had like 10. But those guys walked away with billions of dollars. Who are you talking about? The guys that own Twitter.

Oh, yeah. That sold it to Elon Musk. I mean, they're laughing their way to the bank. Well, we'll see. So, Caleb, I have to do the Rachel Hollis podcast in about five minutes. Ah, okay. They're coming here to the house.

I just saw one of our new favorites. He always has such great insights. He raised his hand. I know. Please come back tomorrow. Yeah, please do come back tomorrow. Everybody have your hands up. Who's that?

He's the physician that engages in very interesting ways, and I really welcome him to the program. I mean. Who are you talking about? All right, here's the deal. I'll put him up right now. If I see him there, if you deal with the people that don't worry about it, the dogs will bark. All right. Do you want to continue Caleb? Oh, sure. Yeah. Yeah.

I want to see what he has to say. He always has something very interesting. You're up. Dr. Shabria, you're up because Caleb loves you. So there you go. It's, it's, it's a pleasure to be on and I, I won't take up too much of your time. I'm, I'm gratified by the, um, by the compliments and compliments to you for an amazing show. So just, um, a couple of just interesting thoughts because, um, you, you made, um, made, and the gentleman, Winston, right before you finished your book and monologue said something really interesting. And that's something I always wonder. I'm like, why can't we give monoclonal antibodies if we can give vaccines to an archived

variant? And let's even broaden it out. Why aren't we, as physicians, discussing that? Why aren't we discussing approaches, various approaches? We're just weirdly robotic. I've never seen anything like this. No, but the convalescent antibodies, pooled antibodies, IVIG, that's like the oldest therapy before the advent of antivirals, right? So that transcended time itself.

So we're afraid of that. And we are not afraid of the remdesivir and the Paxlovid that have very little long-term safety data, right? I mean, this should not be controversial. And the other point I wanted to make was, you know, you hit the nail on the head when you said, you know, the Pete McCulloughs and the Malones, they seem to have swung the pendulum

almost proportionately to the other side, maybe detract this side. It does detract a little bit from the validity of what they are saying. I agree. Everyone's got to just stay with good medicine. Stay with the way you've done medicine. If you've been practicing them a long time, as McCullough has, and you have a good reputation and you know how to do it,

keep doing that. Although we do love those guys. Okay. I appreciate they came here and you want to get them back. I'll talk to them. I mean, of course. Anytime. I mean, maybe they have to do that in order to get attention. So that's what I think.

I think they've gotten sucked into the, they don't have mainstream media to help them. And they, maybe sometimes they just have to go in that direction to get attention. You need to speak louder sometimes in order to drown out the dent, right? So maybe that's what's happening. But there's something that McCullough points out that I don't think gets enough attention, which is the persistence of the spike proteins in the vaccinated individuals in the lymphatic system. Where are the studies looking at that? Similar to the autopsies that we're seeing now. Where are those studies?

I know. And I've actually been looking at that very issue a little bit lately. And what I'm getting is, A, we don't do posts very often in this country. And B, the staining for spike is apparently very expensive and so you literally everyone's got to send their specimens to ryan cole who is committed to doing the staining and yeah yeah that that's this is the this is mysterious to me and so to to your point sort of i you know i've been thinking about ryan cole's interview all week and i was thinking you know does everybody get spike in their endothelium, or is it only certain people, and how do they clear it?

What's the course of these – what's the circumstance and course of these things that they're observing? What is that? Nothing. The other question that I haven't been able to answer because I haven't read the 70,000 pages or whatever, where is the dead man's handle in the mRNA transcription sequence from the vaccine that is inserted that tells the cells producing the spike protein to turn off? How well has that sequence been tested in real life? And so you're asking, how does it know when to stop producing spike proteins? Exactly. How does it know to stop the transmission? I do not know the answer to that,

and I've never heard anybody discuss it. I've asked, nobody has been able to tell me, and I'm like, so how often has that sequence been tested to switch off? Because remember, they say there's a codon or whatever. It's telling the cell to begin transcription. At the end, it tells the cell to stop. What is it?

How do we know that it's a dead man's handle, which will always stop? And if we don't know that, why do we presume it's stopping? I will ask Ram. I'll ask everybody. Kelly Victor may have an opinion about that. I'll ask her. I just put Ram. I can, Kelly Victor may have an opinion about that. I'll, I'll ask her. I just put Ram.

Who? Ram Yagendra. Oh, good. You promised me you'd deal with this. Um, good luck. All right.

I gotta get the door. So the, the other thing is, um, oh crap. I lost my train of thought. The RNA turned off. Oh,

I, I, I don't believe that McCullough and Malone have been pushing hard on this reverse transcriptase thing based on that one in vitro study or two in vitro studies. I'm not so sure. I don't buy it. I don't buy it. I don't buy it. It sounds too far-fetched. And before I let you go, the Covaxin answer, I can tell you my family, I had my dad take Covaxin the problem with covaxin was india screwed up they didn't put in enough contracts for covaxin manufacture and uh the adenovac the adenovirus vector vaccine was more available than covaxin it was impossible to find it and i know so there you go so we did

it was a manufacturing issue it was a manufacturing issue they really was a manufacturing issue. They really did not allocate. But you know what? What is your first name, by the way? Do you mind? Chauvin. Yes. No, no, not at all. Chauvin. Spell it for me.

Sorry. S-H-I-V-E-N. Chauvin. So Chauvin, why though didn't the FDA approve it? That to me was the weird part. That is the million dollar question. They applied for an IND in the million dollar question. They applied for an IND in the US for adults, and I believe they applied for a pediatric indication as well.

And I was really hoping, because again, for a virus like coronavirus that's so prone to mutations with or without the burden of your immune system, the broadly neutralizing antibody response that you will get from a whole virus vaccine, at least to me, would make more sense than a very directed, a narrow-spectrum antibody response that the spike-protein-derived vaccine is giving you. Hey, do me a favor. Call in, because you and I are pretty much aligned in our thinking. Call in on Thursday. We're going to go earlier on Thursday. We're going to go at 2 o'clock instead of 3 when I have this debunker guy in here, apparently, who says we're

not getting it right. And I'm happy to hear why I'm not getting it right. We'll talk to him. All right, my friend. Thank you so much for coming in. Thanks so much. Bye-bye. Take care. All right, everybody. Now I got to go.

We have our Rachel podcast here. They're not here yet. That was Amazon. Oh. How about that? The guy walking up the driveway with the boxes. Caleb's laughing. Also, to mention that I just got a text that said that we've confirmed for December 21st

it's Lieutenant Colonel Teresa Long is going to be on the show. So we have, we have a lot of great, interesting guests coming up. Yes. Yes. A lot of interesting people. We may actually, I don't know, we may start doing more stuff on the Tuesday and Thursday. Also in addition, just talking to you guys. We'll see. But listen, I appreciate y'all being here here i'm trying to keep up with you we got dr ram yogendra and bruce patterson from the covid long haulers.com next thursday great so they they have they said they've been um having a lot of their evidence suppressed and they want to talk about it like what they found why it's i having a hard time. What is going on in this country? Where do I live?

The bureaucracy is just bullshit. Where do I live? You've been in medicine for a long time. When was it ever fair to doctors? When? That was always the insurance companies and the state regulators. That was always that. Yeah, and it's like—

This is different. I don't know what this is. Well, you know, you work so hard and you try to make a difference and then you just get the door slimed in your face. It feels terrible. But he reached out because I guess we talked about him. Okay, good. Well, he'll be on next Thursday.

Again, we'll be in tomorrow at 3 with Dr. Victory and on Thursday at 2. And this is, again again Dr. Latipo which I'm really looking forward to speaking to him so until then take it easy everybody I appreciate the restream I appreciate the comments we're watching you on the rants thanks for your viewership

everybody who's out there we're really happy to have a lot more viewers and people watching the show and it feels really odd and we love it but um well we're trying to get to the truth and this show as susan invented this thing with caleb and as long as you've been doing it the whole thing has been to try to be like the french underground to try to give you the truth to try to get at the truth to try to say the things that

other people aren't saying in case it gets us more to deeper well i want to hear from McCullough. I want to hear from the people that have been silenced. I'll talk to them. I want to hear everybody's opinion. It doesn't mean we agree with everything, but you got to hear it because, you know, we're documenting it. We're documenting time. Like I looked at a video that somebody took off our YouTube with Dr. Zelenko from 2020. And he was saying exactly what was coming and he was right. And they censored us on YouTube. So, you know, it's not up on our, it might be on Facebook or something, but it's really hard to find. And I was watching it and I went, you know, this guy had it going on. He knew exactly

what was going to happen and super smart guy. I wish he was still alive, but, um, it's good to document this. We may be wrong at times, but we're willing to admit it. You know, if it comes along, we're not trying to do anything to hurt anybody. We're just trying to get the word out. So, and I love Dr. Kelly Victory. That woman is my man. Somebody on Twitch just said, Susan is brilliant or Susan is, yeah, something like that. Let me say Susan. Thank you, honey. Yeah. Now I have weird epiphanies at five in the morning with my first cup of coffee and then I make a decision and and I and Drew always goes I don't know I don't know if we should I'm like we're gonna do it

oh I'll follow I'll follow you in I'm interested he's always afraid you know yeah but I'll take your word for it we take shit from people but I'm getting used to it. Like, whatever. All right. It's not as bad as it used to be, though. Whatever. Good word to cultivate, everyone. Just cultivate that word, whatever. It's very useful.

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