Ask Dr. Drew - UN’s AI Summit & A Plot To Conquer America With Technology w/ Viva Frei, Brian O’Shea, Brady Bates – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 506

Episode Date: July 13, 2025

The UN just finished its “AI For Good” summit – but what does the UN consider to be “good” for humanity? “The world is turning into one giant escape game…” says Noor Bin Ladin, “e...xcept unlike escape games, if these people have their way, there will be no escape.” Brian O’Shea, Brady Bates, and Viva Frei join Dr. Drew to expose globalist power grabs and the tech tools enabling them. From China’s farmland acquisitions and UN AI summits to Democrat-run resistance training camps, the experts uncover shocking efforts to reshape America from the shadows. Brian O’Shea is an investigative journalist at Daily Clout and host of Investigate Everything at https://dailyclout.io. A U.S. Army vet and former intel consultant, he now focuses on WHO overreach and global health governance. He has a master’s degree from Boston University in Criminal Justice & Criminology. More at https://x.com/BrianOSheaSPI Brady Bates is the founder of Fifty Bar, building the first large-scale U.S. vape manufacturing supply chain. More at https://x.com/TheFiftyBar David Freiheit, aka Viva Frei, is a lawyer and host of ‘Viva Frei’ on Rumble, Locals.com, and YouTube. More at https://vivafrei.com 「 SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS 」 Find out more about the brands that make this show possible and get special discounts on Dr. Drew's favorite products at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/sponsors⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠  ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • ACTIVE SKIN REPAIR - Repair skin faster with more of the molecule your body creates naturally! Hypochlorous (HOCl) is produced by white blood cells to support healing – and no sting. Get 20% off at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/skinrepair⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • FATTY15 – The future of essential fatty acids is here! Strengthen your cells against age-related breakdown with Fatty15. Get 15% off a 90-day Starter Kit Subscription at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/fatty15⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • PALEOVALLEY - "Paleovalley has a wide variety of extraordinary products that are both healthful and delicious,” says Dr. Drew. "I am a huge fan of this brand and know you'll love it too!” Get 15% off your first order at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/paleovalley⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • VSHREDMD – Formulated by Dr. Drew: The Science of Cellular Health + World-Class Training Programs, Premium Content, and 1-1 Training with Certified V Shred Coaches! More at https://drdrew.com/vshredmd • THE WELLNESS COMPANY - Counteract harmful spike proteins with TWC's Signature Series Spike Support Formula containing nattokinase and selenium. Learn more about TWC's supplements at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twc.health/drew⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ 「 MEDICAL NOTE 」 Portions of this program may examine countervailing views on important medical issues. Always consult your physician before making any decisions about your health. 「 ABOUT THE SHOW 」 Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Kaleb Nation (⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://kalebnation.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠) and Susan Pinsky (⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/firstladyoflov⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠e⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠). This show is for entertainment and/or informational purposes only, and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 A lot to get into today. Our friend Brian O'Shea joins us. He's of course investigative journalist at the Daily Cloud. He is also the host of investigate everything. You can follow it at dailycloud.io. He's an army vet, former intelligence consultant, and we're going to talk about overreach, particularly the UN holding its AI for Good summit. But what does the UN consider to be for good?
Starting point is 00:00:26 And is it our good, their good? I don't know. The world is turning into one giant escape game, says Noor Bin Laden. And except with escape games, if these people had their ways, there would be no escape. And then we will be joined by the great Viva Fry. He's joining us and then we're gonna do a little side conversation with Brady Bates about vapes. We'll be right back with Brian O'Shea after this.
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Starting point is 00:03:49 It's brianoshay.substack.com. Thank you. That's a reach. And so you're in London and we appreciate you coming in at the last minute. I want to, Susan is very, very, very concerned that AI is going to be co-opted by, of course, none other than the Chinese Communist Party
Starting point is 00:04:09 and the People's Liberation Army. Is there concern about that? What is your take on what the recent UN summit is, the AI for good is accomplishing or not? Well, yeah, there should be concern about that because it's not that they're going to co-op. It's pretty much that they own it now. But not only do they own that, they own the entire agenda.
Starting point is 00:04:33 Because here in London, one of their favorite papers is the China Daily. And it was just last week that they concluded the EcoForum Global Gaoyang 2025, which literally had an identical agenda. Identical to the AI for Good? The AI for Good. It's all about their three Ps, which go back to the sustainable development goals of people,
Starting point is 00:05:00 planet, and prosperity, which sounds just like One Health, which is people, planet, and animals in tackling global health. So however they dress it up with AI, with tools, with everything else, this is all about soft, unrecognizable warfare to take away people's rights. And the danger of AI is AI is creating a reality because so many people are getting their news not from news sources, good or bad.
Starting point is 00:05:32 They're getting it from social media. And as we've seen with the current row between Elon Musk and Donald Trump, the AI results of Grok have changed to kind of match Elon Musk's mood. And Grok yesterday showed itself to be capable of all kinds of crazy hallucinations, let's call them. Caleb, I don't know if you know the story behind that.
Starting point is 00:05:59 Caleb apparently has an update on that. Do you know what happened there, Brian? Yes. Reportedly, what it seems to be is that they altered maybe one or two lines of the starting prompt for Grok. And they told it, basically in short language, they told it to tell the truth as it sees it, even if it's politically incorrect. And then it went nuts.
Starting point is 00:06:28 And I think they fired the person that inserted that line of copyright. And my question to you, Caleb, is you know, what was it that it finally started calling itself? Mecca Hitler for a while, it was referring to itself as that. And that's around the time that they just shut the whole thing down where they said, we're not going to do any more text replies. And it would only generate images for a while it was referring to itself as that. And that's around the time that they just shut the whole thing down where they said, we're not going to do any more text replies.
Starting point is 00:06:47 And it would only generate images for a while when you would, you know, at reply at Grok on X. But then what people would do is then they would tell it to generate images. Are we going to get shut down because that word was spoken on this show, even though we're just describing what Grok said? It depends on which platform.
Starting point is 00:07:05 We're safe on rumble. Oh my God. I'm reaching for something that is just a reminder for me of how far we deteriorated during the COVID era. Susan pulled this out. I don't know where you got this, but there it is everybody.
Starting point is 00:07:22 This is made up and the whole world had these things in front of every damn, not in front of, in and around every establishment on earth. Made up, came out of nowhere, no science, nothing, zero. And yet we all like good sheep followed behind the recommendations. And- They're expensive. Exp uh they're expensive yeah they were stuck on they're still stuck on floors all over the world but that's the that's the point here is that
Starting point is 00:07:55 this compliance movement uh i i'm comply comply comply you know adam krull and i were doing a podcast this morning and we were listening to something he and I did over 10 years ago. And in that tape of us talking, we were talking to a caller who was being required to do all sorts of anti sexual misconduct training. Remember we had to do that all the time 10 years ago. I was being done constantly and he knew he worked
Starting point is 00:08:30 in a law firm and he needed it to maintain his standing with the bar. And Adam at the time was saying, don't do it, don't do it. They're crate training us. This is the beginning. This is, we need to gather together and stand up to this. They are trying to slowly muscle us into submission. And that is what COVID was.
Starting point is 00:08:51 That is what this was. I'm holding up the six foot distancing sticker that was on the floor everywhere in the world. And it's what AI can do to us also, right? I mean, this AI can effectively do the same thing. So what is our job now? And by the way, I would argue that we've gotten to the point where compliance is seen as a virtue.
Starting point is 00:09:17 People are actually like leaning into compliance. I know you're in England, I'm sure it's virtuous there. How do we get people to understand that there's nothing virtuous about it? Freedom and freedom of speech have value and we need to push back hard on these things. How do we do that? Well, look, we have to sell it to the young.
Starting point is 00:09:36 Let's not forget that many young men and women, they join the military when they're young, they go to the Peace Corps, they do that for adventure. And to meet men and women their age, you have to show it as adventurous. Remember, they were able to get BLM protesters, rioters, whatever you wanna call them, and if I was able to recruit young people
Starting point is 00:10:01 because there's a Joseph Campbell-esque type of hero's journey that they weave into the story. It's us and them. It's you against tyranny. Well, we have to clearly define the tyranny so that people have a quest. And I know that sounds nebulous and ambiguous, but it's not that hard to do because, you know, on this journey through the UK for a friend's wedding, you know, there's limited internet when you're coming from the United States, not everything always works the way you want to.
Starting point is 00:10:35 And you end up talking to people and most of the people you talk to have no idea about any of this. So it's about getting those eyeballs off that social media world, that screen world, and getting them out into the open and having them do things. And we had this opportunity with a young person in our lives during COVID. And it was an amazing thing to watch the change in him just digging a ditch or shooting a shotgun for the first time
Starting point is 00:11:03 or just being out and helping other people. So we have to return to the very thing they're taking away with social media, with AI, and that is a reliance on each other as human beings, rather than a reliance on what Grok or Meta or Schlock or whatever else said, because we're letting the robots become our nannies. Schlock or Grock.
Starting point is 00:11:28 But it's challenging though to figure out why it's so appealing to a certain population of young people and how they seem not able to understand where history takes these things, inevitably. It's not like it's a guesswork. It's happened and happened and happened and never not happened. And for periods of time,
Starting point is 00:11:52 there can be sort of okayness to it, but it always goes a certain direction. It just always does. And do we have to, I mean, they tend to be a lot of pointing at the EU like, oh, life is great there. They know how to live in Europe. Look at the quality of life they have there. Do we need to sort of help people understand
Starting point is 00:12:13 that this is not a sustainable way of life there either? Yeah, I think we do. And how do you do that though? I mean, not everyone can afford to travel or not everyone wants to travel. Obviously, there's MAGA people that have made it clear they'll never go to the UK or they'll never go to France. But I think people need to, again, talk to people and, you know, there's some tools out
Starting point is 00:12:38 there that I think are useful. I do find that even though it's collecting our voice patterns, you know, Twitter or Xspaces is good to connect with people because they're actually audio talking to them. For now, you think it's people, it could be robots in the future, but I think they need to see that everyone around the world, and we travel a lot, I've traveled a lot constantly, everyone has the same problems, same concerns and the same fears. But it's about getting back to that human connection. A great example is in my town in Salem, my upstairs neighbor, it's a multifamily for my home there. They were
Starting point is 00:13:18 having one of the many LGBTQ holidays about two weeks ago and they're all in my backyard and look it was combined Salem Massachusetts and LGBTQ holiday and it's it's the ultimate Halloween party but the thing was yeah I went out there just you know I was curious and you know wanted to see the I thought there were costumes it's how they dress but the thing is they're still worried about paying their rent and everything like that and they're not trying to, you know, eat my dog or anything. But, you know, the thing is, a lot of lost people that just want to be heard. Now, I'm not naive. I get it. There's some crazy people out there who are prone to violence. But I will say the more people you talk to, the less people grok, as an example example can give you an opinion on. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, contact is always the way forward with human beings.
Starting point is 00:14:11 But I want to address this AI problem and the compliance state. And Mark Cianchisi, who is a physicist, a cognitive psychologist, you know, Mark always says, these things happen from the bottom up. That it's not some sort of top-down conspiracy. I don't know, these days I'm starting to wonder if it's both
Starting point is 00:14:36 because it comes from the top first and then the bottom enthusiastically embraces it and causes it to catch wind. And the way, let me just sort of explain it. What he's saying is, you know, things like reporting your neighbors for having a barbecue, reporting somebody for not wearing a mask, reporting somebody for not six foot distancing,
Starting point is 00:14:55 reporting somebody for holding a Jewish German in their attic. You know, these are all the same impulses, all the same bullshit. By the same token, it did require a political movement in Germany to get these things going and my my what I wonder is I Mean and Susan maybe you have our Caleb you too because you guys tend to think conspiratorially Is there any evidence of anyone using AI to sort of?
Starting point is 00:15:27 Increase this compliance state that we all see kind of underway here? Or is it well-meaning people just thinking that things need to be centralized? I think of the example of public health. Well, we just need to centralize it because it's an emergency. It's like, no, no, yes, you need to do that, but your totalitarian instincts are bad. There's some bad juju flowing into your instincts that causing you to do things that impinge on people's fundamental freedoms.
Starting point is 00:15:55 Susan, you're leaning into the microphone. When chat GPT started, I was goofing around with it because I wanted to learn how to use it. And I asked it before, it was right, it was during the pandemic. And I asked it, you know, what is the Jews take on the vaccine? What is my take?
Starting point is 00:16:13 Yes. And it said, oh, you're very pro-vaccine and blah, blah, blah. It was nothing like what you, you know, anything you've said, but it was because it hadn't caught up with the time yet. It was like it was on a timeline and I thought, well, if I start putting information in here, it's that's what it's going to spit back out. So, you know, if I take your transcripts from a show or something and I put
Starting point is 00:16:39 it into chat GPT, it's going to keep that information for the future. So yes, that's how it's built right? Yeah, like I don't know But it trains on X that's why I got so weird Yeah, it's a crazy side and do it because I don't want to put it give it any information But um, well, so you don't have a conspiratorial thing. I do I think that it's run based on what people put in it so that if you're if you put stuff in it That's what you're saying So if somebody is some evil force wanted to put some stuff in it, they could get sort of control over it? Yeah, and it was a very left-wing view in everything it was saying at the time.
Starting point is 00:17:14 All right, Caleb, how about you? Any conspiracy? And then we're going to hear from Brian on what he knows. Not specifically. Not specifically, but with that- Do you worry about like Susan is? Not specifically, but with that, I'm more so worried about the fact that people seem to be ignoring how much power that system prompt has. The people that run these AIs, all they have to do, literally like what happened yesterday, they just changed one line in the system prompt and then everything went crazy.
Starting point is 00:17:40 So people really need to be looking at, well, who controls the AI that you're talking to and what are they setting it up to avoid and what are they setting it up to promote? And by the way, GROK has suddenly become like encumbered or something. I use it a lot. In the last two days, or today in particular, it's like, it takes forever to answer simple questions.
Starting point is 00:18:02 It's something's weird going to- Do you really like to even try? I like GROK. It's at war with itself right now questions. It's something's weird gonna do really like it Rock needs a There who's potentially in there who's in there what can happen to us as a result? Well, I think it's I think what we really have to be careful of are there's two two major things that concern me The first one is the filtering of things like rock, which is collecting millions and millions of impressions, popular opinions, emotions, and that's becoming the news.
Starting point is 00:18:35 And then what happens as chronicled in New York magazine of all things back in, I believe 2017, called the death of journalism, where traditional papers have been taking their cues from clicks, from impressions. So now you can see where if AI is writing the news, which it seems to be, that is spilling over now into traditional papers.
Starting point is 00:19:04 And there's a lot of people that still read only traditional papers. So if they see it online and then they see it in whatever local rag they're reading, it becomes reality. The other danger of AI is the rewriting of history. And there's a great book, I don't remember the author's name, but it's called We Have Been Harmonized
Starting point is 00:19:26 About the Current State of the People's Republic of China. They make reference to the fact that historians kind of quietly have nicknamed the People's Republic of China the People's Republic of Amnesia. AI, as it can rewrite history, it can erase history. And then per your earlier comment, the younger generations have no guide from history. The whole reason we learn history is to not repeat it.
Starting point is 00:19:56 And a great example of this is that in China currently, there's some statistic, I won't quote it, but the majority of young people under 35 have never heard of the Tiananmen Square massacre. And that is the danger of it. And we saw the early attempt at this with the 1619 project in the rewriting of history. Take away a history, take away language, take away monuments, just like they did in Mao's China.
Starting point is 00:20:23 You take away a people's national identity, they have nothing to rally behind, they won't mount a defense against their ultimate domination. Interesting, taking away somebody's religion and culture and family is exactly what was done to the slaves during the slave trade and that was considered one of the most horrific acts against humans. And yet here we go, and a lighter version of that. And Caleb threw up what Grok had said about me and they got it, he got it pretty right.
Starting point is 00:20:55 I mean, right Caleb? That's a pretty good one. Yeah, it's been updated obviously. Yeah, he got it right this time. But that's a pretty nuanced sort of thing for a search to say, right? And so, it's good. I think that's pretty close.
Starting point is 00:21:11 Actually, so I told it to summarize it in 100 to 300 characters, and its first response was actually much longer and had way more nuance as well. So it's pretty clear now. Interesting. So you did the deep search type thing? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:21:29 Oh no, I didn't even need to do deep search. This was just the regular grok chat, but the first response was like 7,000 characters. So you can ask it to narrow down the amount of words and things. It's very responsive, but it's a very powerful instrument. And I worry about... There's regular cold, and then there's the mountains are blue cold.
Starting point is 00:21:54 Mountain cold refreshment. Coors light. The chill choice. Celebrate responsibly. Must be legal drinking age. I worry about us not using Grok and relying on traditional media as well because traditional media, I know that for sure to be adulterated up and down all the way through.
Starting point is 00:22:13 By the way, before I forget, did you see, did you see the JFK file, the report on Lee Harvey Oswald having been not an asset, but they were watching him for long periods of time and they were aware of any any debated an anti-communist group on television that was funded by the CIA this is a crazy information that any that surprise you or did that unlock anything meaningful for you I got to be careful here because I feel like I already knew a any of that surprise you or did that unlock anything meaningful for you? I gotta be careful here because I feel like I already knew a lot of that, but I don't remember where I knew it from.
Starting point is 00:22:51 And if you know my past employment, I just have to be careful that I didn't know it from another source. But no, I'm not surprised at all. I mean, we know he went to Russia. We, and just actually, Dr. Drew, out of curiosity, did this come out today? I saw it talked about on social media today.
Starting point is 00:23:10 So I don't know where it came out. I actually saw a CIA agent sort of doing an analysis of it. And she was saying this stuff really, go ahead, interesting. Go ahead. But she was saying there was nothing astonishing here. Just, but what astonished me was, I mean, this guy that has been always described,
Starting point is 00:23:30 just this one piece of history, speaking of rewriting history, this guy described as a lone wolf, how could he have acted alone? Where did he come from out of nowhere? Was doing debates on television when we had three networks. You know, so people saw him, knew him. CIA was watching him.
Starting point is 00:23:47 I don't know. It seems like there's a bunch of information missing. That's all I'm saying. Well, it's just like the Ryan Ruth case, the second failed, you know, shooter against Trump. I mean, there's no way this guy made it all the way to Ukraine, was hanging out with the Iranians, made it all the way to Ukraine was hanging out with the Iranians made it all the way back tomorrow Lago got a gun onto the golf course and almost took a shot at our president
Starting point is 00:24:11 That doesn't happen without someone allowing it to happen. So I'm not surprised at all, but I do find that guy was disappeared He's just gone. What happened? Yeah, what happened to him? Oh, and? No, he's still in custody, I think, you know, but I read his whole book and it's really interesting that they haven't taken it down yet because there's some damning things about Ukraine on there. But like what? He was an example.
Starting point is 00:24:37 Come on now. In a book? Like what? Well, so for instance, I didn't know, according to Ryan Ruth, who, you know, he's not the smartest guy, but he seems to have journaled everything and it lines up with the sniff test, what he was saying. He's very disappointed.
Starting point is 00:24:54 He was talking about Ukrainians being rounded up in the street like impressment to go to war. The fact that when he was trying to, Ryan Ruth was trying to, like his big Ukraine guy who was over there, he's trying to rally people, hey, let's go fight for Ukraine. The Ukrainian police actually arrested him for doing that.
Starting point is 00:25:14 You know, I don't know what that means, but the point is it really did pierce the harmonious view that some on the pro-Ukrain side would want you to think, like it's this patriotic thing and everyone's rushing to go fight the Russians. No, apparently they're being impressed into it, according to Ryan Routh. Oh, I'm sure, I'm sure. It's all, there's a lot of more to be revealed,
Starting point is 00:25:39 I would just say. Okay, and yeah. I like that he got arrested. And then finally, we have all this Russiagate stuff out there again. And some, what's your prediction on how that's gonna shake out? Will there be people who get indicted for things
Starting point is 00:25:59 as a result of it? Will they always find a way to slip out under the guise of doing the best for the country to their opinion sort of thing. I mean, we have Brenner and we have Comey bringing in the Steele dossier knowing full well it was bullshit by a bullshit dude. And what, and then why are you tapping a sitting president?
Starting point is 00:26:25 Yeah, go ahead. And what, and then why are you having a sitting president? Yeah, go ahead. Why now? I mean, that's the thing. Why is this news now? Yeah, I mean, I find the timing really interesting being that the Epstein gate is all the news right now. I took the time to go through everything the DOJ has ever published
Starting point is 00:26:45 about the Epstein files and I followed that long ago. I just see a lot of this as a distraction. Now this Steele dossier thing, look there was a whole congressional hearing. I actually know Glenn Simpson, he lived two streets away from me. I've actually done work for Fusion GPS. I know a lot about that about the Trump dossier, different job, but I know a lot about that organization. But I also know that a lot of that stuff has already been churned through. It's obvious that Christopher Steele was double dealing with Perkins Cooey and then sold his primary report to Fusion GPS. But these are old topics. But everyone online right now, since this Epstein case was closed, which is just going to be my next episode, I'm watching the distractions come out.
Starting point is 00:27:37 Now the beauty of the row between Elon Musk and President Trump, who I'm a big supporter of President Trump, is that it, GROK is not going along with the influencers. And there are influencers out there saying, hey, don't focus on this. Focus on the threat of Islam against this nation. OK, and maybe it's a threat. But the thing is, when people are telling me that something is not important, what does it matter?
Starting point is 00:28:07 Well, when we're talking about the biggest global trade industry, illicit global trade industry in the world, it's outpaced now illegal weapons. Human trafficking is a big deal. And the fact that the highest people in several of our governments seem to want to get rid of this case, that should have everyone wondering. So it is important because how can we move forward unified
Starting point is 00:28:34 as a country if we feel like we're being lied to? And I didn't mean to change the subject of the episode, but when I hear a lot of these headlines coming out. Yeah, I wanted to discuss it with you. I was curious what your point of view was because we discussed it yesterday. My feeling is that there, this is what Scott Adams said this morning,
Starting point is 00:28:52 that they're sort of winking at us because the sort of the way they're delivering this and dismissing it feels so perfunctory and so out of context of how they've been approaching it up until now, I can't help but conclude they're lying on purpose with a wink to let us know that when we can, we will show you the whole story.
Starting point is 00:29:18 Right now it's too important for us to something and that something will be revealed or does intelligence or is that me naively thinking that's how I'd like them to behave and intelligence people never behave like that? Yeah I go with the latter I'm not saying you're naive you're very well read in for a guy who's never had a clearance but the thing is yeah I think Ben Shapiro regardless of how people feel about him like him hate him whatever he had a great quote and that is Washington DC or the White House, it's 50%
Starting point is 00:29:51 House of Cards and 50% VEEP. And what I've seen about Donald Trump's leadership style is he does delegate and then he says, okay, come on, everyone bring it in. How's it going? Justice, what's going on with Epstein? Oh, we closed the case. Okay. How's that going? Justice, what's going on with Epstein? Oh, we closed the case. Okay. How's that going down?
Starting point is 00:30:06 Ah, that's fine. And then he sees it and then he's going to react. But I think he relies on a lot of his cabinet members to do their job because he's a business leader and that's a good seat. And I just see a lot of- I'll interrupt real quick. We have this little delay so I have to interrupt it.
Starting point is 00:30:24 But again, back to Corolla, he was saying that not just he's a businessman and a business leader, but he is a builder and used to selecting and relying on subs, subcontractors. And that's how he does his business. You have to have a sub in there and you got to let that sub do their job.
Starting point is 00:30:43 And if they don't, fire it. That's it it find another one Yeah. Yeah for sure. And look we've seen a we've seen a pattern with you know Pam bondi who's in charge of DOJ and You know first with the dossier gate or you know binder bimbo gate, whatever you want to call it But the thing is we also saw here again, oh, there's no client list.
Starting point is 00:31:07 Oh, there's nothing. Well, the thing is, it's categorized on the DOJ website as human trafficking, the whole cases. And if you look up human trafficking, you get into something called commercial sex trade to support that category that Epstein was charged with, there has to be a client list. And that's just the fact of the matter that their definition
Starting point is 00:31:34 is going against what they're saying in this press release. But I think we're getting into a little parsing of semantics here in that everyone believes there are tapes, there's documentation, but everyone believes those are carefully protected and that a really good criminal wouldn't keep a list. You know what I mean? Wouldn't have the list there that could be stolen
Starting point is 00:31:55 or seen or whatever. That there'd be a flight log. But everyone knows there'd be a flight log and everyone's aware there's been a flight log, but being on the plane doesn't necessarily mean you're part of the trafficking. But I was just, I think I was being more provocative than anything and saying that I don't think there's a list,
Starting point is 00:32:13 but I do think there's documentation and that's what's being protected. And if you, just to let your fantasy runs wild as just using your judgment as an intelligence official What do you imagine to happen analyst? Analysts, okay Analysts, but make a prediction on what we would likely find out one day or if we had access to the real information What's your prediction on that?
Starting point is 00:32:41 Who who is my prediction is and why? Well, I would start with the client list at battlered partners. Okay. Where Pam bondy works or worked. Um, and then I would also find out, okay, who else is on the list? Let's not forget. We have a hood Barack on video, hanging out with Jeffrey Epstein. We have Randy Andy, as I call them here in the UK, or Prince Andrew, who just announced the other day
Starting point is 00:33:07 he now feels safe to travel. So there's a lot of world leaders who may or may not be on that list, but there's a decision being made that, OK, if this goes public, yes, it's good for the American people. It's good for support of, you know, America first, of course. But is this going to mess up some other deal that we're not clued into? So my prediction is on what's on that list based on the amount of fuel he
Starting point is 00:33:36 was buying, based on the amount of flights he was taking, like one a week, back and forth everywhere. We're going to find a lot of people on that list. A man doesn't go from teaching at Dalton to getting invited to Queen Elizabeth's birthday party after disappearing for four years, like Jeffrey Epstein did. And by the way, teaching at Dalton, I don't believe he ever graduated college.
Starting point is 00:34:01 So teaching, was he a visiting professor? What's going on here? And it's all very, very, very odd. All camera will have to sit down and talk about this. Yeah, because we can go for hours. I would like, okay. I just, there's, I, and I know it gets Caleb, Caleb believes he's still alive.
Starting point is 00:34:21 He's on some sort of waitress protection. Right, Caleb? I was just about to ask that. Is there any possibility at all in my theory that Jeffrey Epstein is alive and in witness protection somewhere based on the actions of what everyone's doing? No, because you have a very fractured US government. You still have a lot of people in the FBI that were across many of the law enforcement arms
Starting point is 00:34:48 of the US government who just can't keep a secret, who are on different sides of the political aisle. And it's been my experience that we used to make a joke when I used to work in down the river, as we called it, where I would be writing a report and I'd say, should I hit send or should I would be writing a report and I'd say, should I hit send or should I wait for CNN to report this? So, yeah, I just don't think they can keep that secret.
Starting point is 00:35:12 That's the one biggest flaw in my theory is that I don't think they could keep the secret. Like I know they keep most people in witness protection, they're able to keep them safe as far as we know, but with someone this prominent and this big and this valuable, that story would never stay gone. And he's more valuable to us. I wonder, you tell me if I'm right,
Starting point is 00:35:33 I smell something about the Middle East, something about maybe Saudi Arabia and our relationships with them or something in that zone. And sort of maybe Well, but I'm not Israel Israel the sense that it could upset the Abraham Accord when they're trying to build the Abraham Accord something Something in that zone is sort of what my spidey sense. Tell me Otherwise, why protect everybody why you know, it's so
Starting point is 00:36:01 Let the cards fall where they may let the chips fall Why, you know, it's so, let the cards fall where they may. Let the chips fall. Who said that? Let the chips fall where they may. Elon Musk, let the chips fall where they may. That's his big statement. I'm glad you brought it up on Saudi Arabia because that is the one country
Starting point is 00:36:16 no one ever wants to talk about. And if you think about, I think you hit a really good point. And let's not forget there were early reports or documentaries about Epstein that he may or may not have been doing gray arms dealing in some middle Eastern country. And Khashoggi, do you know stuff about Khashoggi today?
Starting point is 00:36:38 Khashoggi was running something for the CIA. I mean, I don't know if I believe it or not, but some crazy stuff came through about him and I'm like, oh boy, no wonder they. And so, yeah, I think you're right. I think there's something there and we need them, bad. And it could be as simple as the Crown Prince calling somebody and going, don't do this.
Starting point is 00:36:58 And it's that simple. I don't know. There's a lot of power there. Yeah, or a Qatar or something, whatever you call it. Now Qatar or whatever. Let's a lot of power there. Yeah, or a Qatar or something, whatever you call it, Qatar or whatever. Let's not forget that nothing happens, nothing happens in the Arabic speaking Middle East, whether it's media, whether it's business deals,
Starting point is 00:37:14 without the king's approval, okay? And so if you look at how many boards the royal family sits on, and let's not forget, there's like 4,000 princes. I used to actually have one as a client who was two from the top. And they have amazing amounts of power that spans the Middle East and into even parts of Iran
Starting point is 00:37:36 because it's more than being the center of Islam. It's about the fact that they have the most money. Well, and think about, think about just from a pragmatic standpoint of U.S. security. I mean, this is a work in progress, you know, we need them, we need, I mean, really, they really need them, it seems to me, Saudi.
Starting point is 00:37:55 And we don't even know the layers publicly of the degree to which we need them. And my guess is there's, there guess is that it's not an evil intent on anybody's part. It's just a pragmatic thing. If they're going to kind of get the things right in the Middle East, you got to have Saudi Arabia and probably the UAE and probably Qatar or whatever.
Starting point is 00:38:22 And I don't know. And to embarrass these people or to prosecute them. Very complicated. You know, it's really, I'm really impressed you mentioned Saudi Arabia. And let's not forget Qatar is just their bank. It's on the peninsula, it's all Saudi Arabia. No matter where you go, it's all Saudi Arabia. No matter where you go, it's all Saudi Arabia,
Starting point is 00:38:45 no matter what. So yeah, I think you hit a really important point. The new crown prince has sort of been a reasonable guy, a smart guy, pro US, and things are better with them now, but it all feels very, I feel like I understand our relationship with France, I understand our relationship with England, I don't understand our relationship with Saudi Arabia.
Starting point is 00:39:05 It all seems very covert and kind of not, not fully out in the public. And so immediately I go, oh, something's going on there. Can I throw something? And I know Caleb will love this. I tweeted it about this a few weeks ago. But let's not forget now, again, like I think I have my theories on why the bombing
Starting point is 00:39:24 in Iran had to happen. I think President Trump got put into an impossible position. I think he came out of it very wisely by not putting boots on the ground and making that war end through the bombing so far. But one thing that's under reported is that prior to that a few weeks before that occurred, it was announced that Saudi Arabia and the United States were working on this massive new nuclear energy
Starting point is 00:39:51 proposal, which would supply to most of the Middle East. And I'm just saying their only competition was Iran. There you go, Caleb. Yep, makes, yep, it all ties together. There's that and it does all tie together, but oh shit, I lost my train of thought. I was going to tell you some one. Oh yeah.
Starting point is 00:40:09 One last thing you said, the Iran thing came out wise from the Iran deal so far. And it's interesting to me that temporality time does not figure prominently enough into every, the public's mind because I want the abstain results now. I want them now. I want the list now.
Starting point is 00:40:31 It's like, hmm, there may not, temporality. And Trump to me seems like one of these guys that really uses temporalities. Like he just doesn't make any decisions so he has to. And certain things are quick and certain things aren't. Timing, I don't want to say timing's everything because that's too simplistic, but the public needs to get used to the idea
Starting point is 00:40:53 that there's an optimal temporality to all these decisions. And that's what I'm saying may be going on with Epstein. That's all I'm saying. I'm going to leave it with that. Brian, as always, enlightening. We appreciate it Tell people where to go and what you're gonna be talking about Absolutely, you can find me on daily cloud.io. Just go to our shows You'll see my angry face there for investigate everything. It's also on rumble on daily cloud.io's rumble channel
Starting point is 00:41:20 Next thing we're gonna be talking. I got to talk about abstain. I'm going to have to Next thing we're going to be talking, I got to talk about Epstein. I'm going to have to. And then the other thing is I'm on X at Brian O'Shea SPI, where I announce a lot of things I do. And who knows where I'll be next. And don't forget to head on over to my sub stack at brianoshea.substack.com, where I will be posting more stuff, especially about Epstein, as soon as I get back from the lovely UK.
Starting point is 00:41:46 Speaking of lovely, let's give a nod to your brilliant wife. Where do they find Naomi? Oh, I'm sorry. Yes, Naomi can also be found on dailycloud.io. And she is Nate. Oh, she just said it. Outspoken with Naomi Wolf on Substack and on X, she is at Naomi R. Wolf on X, sorry. Hope to see you guys very soon.
Starting point is 00:42:18 Thank you for joining us. Thanks for having me. Coming up, we're going to do a little sidebar before we go to David Frye Height, also known as Viva Frye, I'll be here in about 20 minutes. Brady Bates, you can follow him on the, oh, 50 bar, the 50 bar, also it's on X
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Starting point is 00:47:11 getting off cigarettes. And let me just say my position, as I've always stated it, which is that every piece of data that's ever been out there always shows that vaping nicotine is the best way to get off cigarettes. And nicotine is a harmless compound. In fact, it might be good for you,
Starting point is 00:47:31 much the way caffeine has been found to be good for you. It's certainly a good appetite suppressant. And people should not be afraid of getting whatever they have to do to get off cigarettes. There's been controversy around vaping from my position. The government's put out some really interesting research and maybe Brady, who's about to join us, will be able to sort of refute some of it.
Starting point is 00:47:50 It showed you can get some damage to the lining of the airways and whatnot, things that are concerning. You shouldn't be exposed to if you don't have to be. Nowhere near the damage and the danger of cigarettes, okay? Cigarettes is what tobacco is what is dangerous. And when people talk about vaping in adolescence, yes, you don't want to have all these flavored things that book kids on nicotine,
Starting point is 00:48:16 but most of the vaping in adolescence is actually weed, and people don't seem to understand that. So Brady is the founder of 50 Bar, building the first large scale US vape manufacturing supply chain. Brady, thank you for coming. Appreciate you being here. Tell us about your products.
Starting point is 00:48:30 Thanks for having me. And also go out my opinion. Tell me if my opinion is good or bad, or were you, when it was sale it or supported, go ahead. No, I think you have a great opinion. But first I want to start with you and Psycho Mike, when I was a kid on Love Line, shaped my childhood. So I deeply, deeply appreciate that big fan with you and psycho Mike when I was a kid on love line shaped my childhood So I deeply deeply appreciate that big fan of you and that psycho Mike so
Starting point is 00:48:50 Scary I think I'm like is an imprint on your brain. I'm not now I need it now. I'm gonna have to go Sessions got crazy. Yeah those conversations got crazy, but yeah, I think The from my standpoint the frustrating part is that this is a health alternative to smoking. I think that anyone with a right-sized brain can say that this is something that we are able to say without a shadow of a doubt that smoking is a killer. 480,000 people a year are dying from smoking-related illnesses still.
Starting point is 00:49:21 And the frustrating part for me is that we have a solution to that, at least something that can curb those numbers and bring them down. And instead, day in and day out, I'm constantly fighting from a legislative side, from lobbying by Big Tobacco or Big Pharma, whoever it may be, trying to survive in this crazy world of the corporatization of everything. And so it's a frustrating place that we find ourselves in, but that's the America we live in now. And that's kind of what we're trying to do with 50 bars,
Starting point is 00:49:51 change that a little bit, empower the small to medium sized businesses to come to America or come back to America and do what we got to do to rebuild that core business in America. And again, to reiterate, every piece of medical literature shows the most effective way to stop cigarettes is vaping tobacco.
Starting point is 00:50:12 That's every single study I've ever read on it. And hands down, not even by a little bit, as opposed to any other mechanisms. And yet it's completely vilified. So Caleb had put something up here. This is about you taking China out of the equation of the vaping manufacturing. Tell me about that.
Starting point is 00:50:30 Yeah, so, I mean, it's pretty simple. We started in this industry. I started about 13 years ago. There was various manufacturers all throughout the country. Most of us at that point, because the industry was so new, we didn't know what we were doing or how to do it So we were mixing in the back of our then vape shops and were specialty stores to vaping And as time progressed we started building out manufacturing facilities and manufacturing facilities that were certified by by the FDA through
Starting point is 00:50:58 gmpc In clean rooms and all sorts of things. So what happened was though, is when the PMTA process kicked in, that basically forced all, most of the market off the market, but the way that the PMTA was written allowed for China to capitalize off the new technology, which is the disposables. And that's why we're seeing such an influx in the market
Starting point is 00:51:18 the last four or five years with the Chinese disposables is because of the way the PMTA was written. So what we're trying to do is just flip it back the other way. We know that there's a huge reliance on China for components, for batteries, for plastic, for the metal wiring, all of that stuff. We rely on them right now to get those components over to us. But what we're doing at 50 Bar is that we're then finishing that product here in the States. So currently right now we're partially assembling that device. And then we're taking that and filling it with American ingredients and making
Starting point is 00:51:50 sure that it's going through the good manufacturing practices to ensure the safety of that product. And, uh, I understand there's been some legislation in Texas lately that was somewhat of a breakthrough. Yeah. So we've, you know, again, small, medium to size business involved in large lobbying, which has been a whole other side of this thing that has turned into an animal, but I've actually
Starting point is 00:52:13 really enjoyed it. Getting to understand how things work and how laws are made has been fascinating. But yeah, so what we've done, we're trying to be proactive. So I'm trying to go out and engage the White House, engage the FDA, engage local senators and congressmen and women to be able to explain to them that this process doesn't need to be finished in China. We can do this here in the States. And by doing that here in the States, we have the potential of bringing
Starting point is 00:52:39 a $20 billion a year industry back to America, or to America, I should say. And so it's nothing that we should be taking lightly. This is something that politicians and the people on the other side, the bigger tobacco companies should really look into. And I saw some encouraging information actually this morning from PMI that they're invested into America. They've pledged $800 million into facilities here to produce their Zin products, which I'm all for. I think that this is one of those opportunities as we're trying to put America first and be selfish in a way to force this thing back to America
Starting point is 00:53:19 for multiple reasons, but most importantly, transparency into the supply chain of the consumable material that's going into and being ingested by by humans You said it's fascinating to see how the laws are made. You mean it's not frustrating. You're not crestfallen Looking at the reality of all that That's yeah Yes, it's it's awful at points. It's it's really When I say fascinated because before I went into that, I was pretty naive to the process, right? I think like most people are. I was
Starting point is 00:53:51 just a business owner, just paid my taxes and kind of just start up and did what I had to do to survive. But now getting involved in the other side, it's a whole other world that people live in. And it's fascinating because it is. Reason does win some of the time. And we can see that with some of the legislation that was passed this year, because I'm not a multinational conglomerate, big tobacco business. I'm nowhere near those numbers. But I was still able to and have been able to make an impact through the lobbying effort. So I hold hope that common sense still wins.
Starting point is 00:54:28 And I think that it is disheartening at points though, when you're seeing certain markets like North Carolina, you know, they'll be holding to a registry bill, which is just so not what the market needs right now. Overregulation is going to cause more black market and more illicit products coming through the ports. Well, that was my other question, what to do with the adolescent use and the flavored stuff and the weed vaping? Do you have a plan there?
Starting point is 00:54:50 Yeah, I mean, there's nothing, unfortunately, at this point, because you were talking about it on a podcast a while back about the EVOLI breakout that happened with the illicit THC carts. There's not much we can do about the crossover that's taking place when those things come out. For whatever reason, the average person doesn't care to understand that there's multiple products that are vapable. And they don't understand that that came from a vitamin E acetate outbreak, like you talked about that was causing issues in people's lungs.
Starting point is 00:55:18 So that part of it is very tricky. As far as the adolescent youth usage, the latest results from the CDC show that in 2017 we're at an all-time high of 25% youth access to these products. And since then it's dropped substantially. I mean, it's down under 7%, I believe was what the last study that came out. So the industry should be rewarded for that. And the store level should be rewarded for that. We are cur should be rewarded for that that we've are curbing that issue and continuing to curb that issue. But there's still more things with that we can be doing as a business and we are taking steps as a business to ensure that this is getting in the
Starting point is 00:55:55 hands of adults and not marketing towards children. But we need to work hand in hand with government to understand where's the line in the sand for them because I personally have a line in the sand, but government sometimes has a different opinion than the average person. So that's why we're working tightly with them trying to figure out what is the line in the sand because adults need access to flavors. There's no question in that that's part of the magic that happens when you start vaping. You find your flavor, it'll get you off combustible cigarettes into a vapor product the same way as Zin's working for people who chew tobacco, right? There's 10, I think 10 flavors that were approved for Zin products, which I'm all for that.
Starting point is 00:56:35 I think there should be flavored on the market, but we need to figure out a way to work collectively to take on this issue. This is not an industry. It's not specifically to industry or government to handle this issue. It needs to be worked this issue. This is not specifically to industry or government to handle this issue. It needs to be worked on together. And I still think the industry has done a fair job over the last four or five years of bringing
Starting point is 00:56:52 that rate down substantially. The 50 Bar on X, where can people go to read more, to follow you, to figure out where they stand with this, or if they want products for that matter? Yeah, so the 50bar.com is a good resource. That's our website. We keep things pretty up to date on there. Official 50bar on Instagram and Twitter.
Starting point is 00:57:12 And then my personal Twitter, which is just starting to get a following. Hopefully it'll amass some more, is Brady M Bates at Twitter, or X I should say. And yeah, we're constantly updating and keeping people in the loop with what's going on because it's a fascinating thing. This is the new reality for the new American dream. Brady, thank you for joining me, I appreciate it. Yeah, of course, thanks for having me. You got it.
Starting point is 00:57:38 All right, the one and only Viva Fry, is he there now or is he still waiting on his arrival? He's here. Okay, Viva Frye, is he there now or is he still waiting on his arrival? He's here. Okay, Viva just finished his show. I'm guessing he raided our whole setup over at Rumble. Let me give you the picture. If you didn't, yeah, Viva, you didn't think of that this time?
Starting point is 00:57:59 David Frye Height, better known as Viva Frye, lawyer, host of Viva Frye Rumble, and locals.com. YouTube, more at vivafry.com, and there's also Viva and Barnes. Viva, welcome back. How's it going, Drew? We raided Candace today, because I send over my crowd,
Starting point is 00:58:16 because it works so well when our two respective audiences intersect in the comment section. Does it combust in some way? Is there some sort of like conflict? How dare you. It was funny I had on the, oh geez that's his name, Reverend Tim Christensen and um, geez Louise I just screwed up his last name. Anyhow so we had, Candace's name came up and so I figured in fairness send everybody over
Starting point is 00:58:42 there so they can get a dose of Candace Owens. But yes, you don't you do. You do not need to justify whatever you're doing. I didn't know that. Yeah, shit. Well, she starts now, I think, right? She would. Oh, that's true. Yeah, it made sense. Christopher, for goodness sake, it's him Christopher.
Starting point is 00:58:59 I'm OK. There you go. No, so my brain works, too. Don't worry. Those with with OCD and aging, it's not a pretty sight. And anxiety, it's all the three of us. We're saying to our guests. I'm just saying that we share these properties, the three of us, the two of us. I understand, but I've been aware that, you know,
Starting point is 00:59:19 any of that. So what is on your mind these days? Are you, what is sort of occupying you? Are you, uh, what, what is sort of, uh, occupying you? I'm just curious what, what you're upset about, what you're thinking about. Go ahead. Well, speaking of OCD, I've been mildly obsessing over what I think is an, uh, an unforced error of the Trump administration. I'm trying to make sense of the Epstein.
Starting point is 00:59:40 Yeah. It doesn't make sense. And so I've been talking about it. I've been called a grifter for talking about it, doing it for clicks as if that's when you talk about it, when people want you to talk about it, they, they pat you on the back for exposing the news. When you talk about it, when some people don't want to talk about it, then you become a grifter and they hurl all sorts of insults at you.
Starting point is 01:00:00 But I don't understand what in the name of holy hell is going on. And I'm waiting for it to make sense, but I'll be highlighting what doesn't make sense. I just described my theory to an intelligence consultant and my theory is, you tell me if there's anything at all that rings accurate for you, that the way Scott Adams describes the behavior of Dan Bongino and the cash Patel their their change in direction is so abrupt and so extreme that they seem to be kind of winking at us like just except it's
Starting point is 01:00:42 nothing to tears nothing to see here but my belief is they're lying with intention because there's something that they one day will explain to us that will explain why they lie and it won't be too far in the future I kind of have a suspicion too like they're doing it and when they is what I was saying also is temporality never figures into people's thinking anymore. It's like, I want to know now, damn it. I want to know right now, as opposed to we gotcha, but there's a compelling strategic reason.
Starting point is 01:01:14 We got to lie to you right now. And my instinct is that something to do in Middle East and I would put my finger on Saudi Arabia. Like something's going on in terms of the balance of the power there that they need to protect as they begin to expand the Abraham Accord. That's my pure guess, pure and simple guessing. The internet would call that a quote cope.
Starting point is 01:01:38 Like that's how people cope with when the people they trust are doing something that they no longer believe. And in order to make sense of why the people they trust might be being less than transparent with them, there's got to be some call it a cope. You know, some people are saying that they're so obvious in their demeanor that they're trying to let people know that they are being coerced ish, potentially into covering things up. The problem with that theory, and I'm glad Scott Adams brought up
Starting point is 01:02:04 because he's quite insightful and at least I don't have to propose the theory, I do adhere to the belief that you don't have to tell the truth, but you can't lie. And so also strategically, they didn't have to tell the truth, but they should not have lied if that is indeed what's going on right now. Because in so lying, you can't cover up prior statements and you can't hide what, you know, the statements Trump has made, Bondi's made, everybody. So I would have, you know, if that's the case, they have to keep it under seals while they finish up some certain geopolitical negotiations, fine, say nothing. The FBI is the master at saying nothing.
Starting point is 01:02:39 We cannot confirm on the existence of any investigation and people would not have a problem. And if the goal were to get people to stop asking questions, that would be the easiest way to do it. But to have this as of yet unexplained, unsigned, undated document memo that if it were written in an attempt to undermine Cash Patel's prior statements, it couldn't have been better drafted, leaked to Axios on Sunday, July 6th, then updated to the DOJ website on Monday, July 7th.
Starting point is 01:03:09 And no explanation for why it's an undated, unsigned document, no one's taken responsibility for it. Nothing could make sense about it. And the more they tell people to shut up, sit down, the more it doesn't make sense. And the more, at least the stubborn ones of us, with OCD, GAD, and ODD, which is Prohibitional Defiance Disorder,
Starting point is 01:03:28 are going to keep talking about it. But I know I'm down with all the, forget the three letter agencies. I'm down with the three letter mental issues, but. Disorders. I don't know. I would argue that ODD, although your wife may beg to differ,
Starting point is 01:03:43 I would argue that ODD is one you do not have. Okay, that's cool actually. That's good. Someone's been saying our kid has it and it's inherited and generational, but ODD, oppositional, defiant. I was told that that means like just melding off to authority figures when you're a kid.
Starting point is 01:04:00 It has, there's a spectrum to it like everything, right? And severe ODD is sort of considered a precursor to sociopathy sometimes And it can pass also you can have ODD that passes, you know, it can be just a mouthy kid You know what? I mean that kind of thing So it's it's a hard one to kind of and there are people there are plenty of adults with ODD right now Believe me plenty plenty, plenty, plenty, and you ain't one of them.
Starting point is 01:04:27 Again, though your wife may beg to differ. I thought it was a cool acronym for wanting to question authority, which I've always done since a child, but none of it makes sense. What was the latest, Trump sort of shutting down the question of the reporter, which came a day and a half after the release of the memo struck me as being, you know, I, I realized what it is, is that Trump is trying to protect his team and make it look like he's owning the situation that I think he was
Starting point is 01:04:56 thrust into. My, my suspicion, if I'm going to write a Jean Lecarré novel is that they leaked and did to undermine the two most prominent figures of the populist movement who are now Trump's FBI. And by putting out this theory that contradicts their deeply held and sincerely held positions for years, basically allow the FBI's conspiracy theorists peddling Epstein stuff. I like that. Yeah, so they have to say, yeah, we were wrong the entire time and eat our words,
Starting point is 01:05:25 or they know that they're right, which is my belief, but cannot say it right now because they are employees of the state and they don't get to share their opinions, they get to tow the line of the states. I love it, I like that. So, and back to your oppositional defiance, you know, I sometimes think to myself,
Starting point is 01:05:49 so many of us had that same quality in the 60s, 70s, and 80s, whether it was the rock and roll movement or the New Age or the grunge and the punk and all these things that the musical movements and those cultures that grew up around them were all essentially trying to throw out the yoke of a previous generation that didn't fit our world at all. I feel like we created a bunch,
Starting point is 01:06:12 we've unleashed some trouble as a result of that, that we did not anticipate. I find myself very often thinking to myself, this is not what we intended at all. Like some of the stuff I see around, I was just thinking today about some of the sexual behaviors that are being advocated in some of the podcasts and some of the,
Starting point is 01:06:32 something on Love Island freaked me out. They were the way they were talking about things. And I thought, and then I thought, I thought. This episode is brought to you by Adidas. When the frustration grows and the doubts start to creep in, we all need someone who has our back. I thought. And then when I thought what we were doing was trying to have a free conversation about something that had been pushed down, you weren't allowed to talk about it. So people could make healthier choices with their sexuality because there was this disease
Starting point is 01:07:16 AIDS that was very dangerous and people needed to understand what an STD was and how these things worked. And there's no reason we shouldn't talk about it. This isn't what I intended at all. I intended that, but not Love Island. I made a joke. I don't know why I actually caught a segment of Love Island where they were making,
Starting point is 01:07:36 like they're going blindfolded and just like sloppy disgusting dog kisses on all of the candidates. And like they call this Love Island. I mean, they should call it Whore Island and not because they're men or women, whichever one would be sexy. Call it whore island, don't try to cloak the whoreism in love, the love island. It was so disgusting and I was, I don't know how it came up with my kids watching, but I was like this is not how adults act. A. B. It's a disgusting
Starting point is 01:08:01 germ-filled cesspool, all of their mouths and they just went and shared it across all the entire room And they do it in such a despair. So I didn't watch the show then we had to fly was gonna like try to put on It go from bad to really your OCD your OCD takes precedent of anything approximating ODD It's a good so you You're and by the way So, so. So. So. So. So. So. So. So.
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Starting point is 01:08:40 So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. yeah. Kids get married young, stay young and well, you can't stay young, but stay married. Keep your schmeckles in your pants.
Starting point is 01:08:49 Yeah. It is, it will again, but that's your making my point one more time, which was that the casting off, you know, I was looking, what was I looking at? Some movie or television, oh, it was, I think it was like, shoot, what was the stupid movie with John Belushi
Starting point is 01:09:17 about the sort of the fraternity, Animal House, I think it was Animal House. And the adults, the middle-aged and older adults that were portrayed in that film, it's like, yeah, those were the people we were pushing back on. That was not us. We were something different.
Starting point is 01:09:36 And obviously Animal House was an extreme sort of credo for all that. It wasn't realistic at the time. But we did, oh, there you are quoted up there, Viva. Keep your smackle in your pants. Trademark, but it's, it's copyright. Go ahead. A trademark.
Starting point is 01:09:58 So, so how are things in the great state of Florida? Are they still as free as ever or is the the immigrants from the mid-Atlantic having an impact on the situation there in Florida? Jokingly say there's more New Yorkers and New Jersey aides here than Floridians but no Florida's amazing and I'm obsessed I keep going back to the Trump administration you know they've opened up alligator Alcatraz, the so-called alligator Alcatraz. They've got, I actually want to drive down there. It's about an hour and three quarters. If I can not be assured that I would have access,
Starting point is 01:10:32 but be assured I wouldn't be prosecuted for trespass, I'd go down and have a look. But you know, things are going well. And by and large, you know, there's some big, big wins for the administration, and not the least of which is getting the border under control and getting the courts to tamp down on their little bit. But no things that things in Florida good. We're lucky the outcome of the election was the best for Florida
Starting point is 01:10:54 in that we kept Ron DeSantis as governor and got Donald Trump as president and no complaints. And so, you know, Viva is my sort of source for many things Florida Dave Rubin and Viva are my two Floridian friends that keep trying to get me us to move down there and we're coming in August we're gonna be there for a little while and we're coming in November too and that's probably won't have time to see you frankly but I also get all my Canadian information from Viva Frye as a, are you expatriated yet? Are you an illegal immigrant? What's your sort of status?
Starting point is 01:11:29 You're green card? What should we do with you? Green card yet, but the wheels are in motion, Jerry. But yeah, you know, like I feel bad saying that I don't want to go back to Canada. Canada is not a place to go back to. And I mean, I'm following what's going on in Canada. It's going from bad to worse. There was rebel news I had on a journalist, Alexa Lavoie on Monday,
Starting point is 01:11:51 who was out there documenting, you know, the pro-Palestinian protests and then the public prayers that they have afterwards, which oddly enough in Montreal, they have right in front of the Basilica Notre Dame, which is the Eglise Notre Dame, the replica of the French one. And this journalist, Alexa Lavoie, is just filming and gets obstructed by some of the prayers of the people praying. And the police, six big burly men carrying guns, surround her and threaten her with arrest for documenting public prayer
Starting point is 01:12:24 in a public place, done for political purposes. And you know, every day you look back and see what's going on in Canada and it's going from bad to worse. But they sit there saying, well, at least we don't have Trump. We've got Carney and they think they're happy in their misery because they've got a bigger boogeyman in their own minds when in reality, they're living in a fricking prison that's being overtaken by, I say, open borders,
Starting point is 01:12:46 overrun by people who are not from Canada, don't share Canadian values, and the police siding with the side of the people who are the ones that are obviously the more scary to pick on the Canadian journalists who they know are the easier ones to bully. So Canada's not going in the right direction, it's going in the wrong direction fast.
Starting point is 01:13:04 Well, I now have spoken to a couple of leaders, I would call them, from both, I believe, Saskatchewan and definitely Alberta that are really wanting to be a 51st and or 52nd part of the United States. I mean, that movement in the central part of the country is for real. It's not, I don't know how the percentage is, but the people that are interested
Starting point is 01:13:31 are very interested in it. I presume one of the, you spoke with Danielle Smith, she's the premier of Alberta? No, these were sort of people that were politically active, sort of developing this movement. It will, it is, people will understand that it's, it is, you had Brexit, then you had, what else did they have yet?
Starting point is 01:13:53 They had a bunch of exits where people wanted to leave the oppressive union. Exit is talked about? Say that again? Frexit is even talked about from the French, Frexit. There was Italexit. I don't think there's Jermexit yet and that one sounds particularly good,
Starting point is 01:14:10 but there is, in Canada, there was a movement for Quebec to separate from Canada. And it was called the separatist movement. Two referendums. Yeah. 96. That fell by the wayside when they lost the second time. The liberal portion of Canada has been oppressing
Starting point is 01:14:29 and exploiting the energy provinces, Alberta, Saskatchewan, Manitoba for the longest of times. And for those who don't appreciate Quebec, Ontario basically dictate the government of Canada. And so you have the Maritimes, which whatever the reason, you got the Northwest Territories, which votes liberal for whatever the reason. And then you've got Alberta, Manitoba, Saskatchewan, the Texas like provinces of the country of
Starting point is 01:14:51 Canada. And there's been a Wexit, which is the separation of the West from Canada, because you've got a federal government that is liberal for the last 10 years. Oppressive imposes legislation that cripples the economies of these energy rich provinces while stealing their revenues for being rich provinces to redistribute them to the poor provinces so-called with these equalization payments and it was one of the other good predictions that I made before the election I said if the Liberals win you know expect to see this movement amplified on steroids because
Starting point is 01:15:21 you're gonna have at least another four years now of the liberals doing exactly what they did. And you're seeing it. And now you're seeing the federal government of Canada, three passport carrying globalist who are Mark Carney, looking to get opinions and memos and petition the courts to prevent Alberta from discussing secession. Well, I don't think they want to be the 51st state, but I think they absolutely want to secede from Canada and strike their own energy agreements with America. And I actually think that's kind of what Trump want sort of implicitly endorsed Mark Carney. Speaking of Trump and intelligence operations, the Russiagate data that's out, they're going to investigate it seems like they're going to take a good look at Comey and Brenner.
Starting point is 01:16:06 What are your opinions about what's being uncovered there? Okay, I won't swear on your show out of respect. Comey should be in effing jail already, if only for the 86 47. They're going to go back to Russiagate. Whoop de doo. We'll see what happens. They've announced a criminal inquiry. We'll see if charges come.
Starting point is 01:16:23 We'll see if convictions come. It's a long way down the road. Is this like the bone to throw to the dog? We'll see what happens. They've announced a criminal inquiry. We'll see if charges come. We'll see if convictions come. It's a long way down the road. Is this like the bone to throw to the dog after the Epstein debacle? Bottom line, Comey should have been investigated and charged with his 86, 47 period. No, I know whether or not there's any internal disciplinary stuff. I don't care. We didn't see it.
Starting point is 01:16:41 We don't know might've happened. Irrelevant charges. His daughter should have been pulled off the P. Diddy, what they call the prosecution, what I call a cover-up, and I was right on that prediction as well. They'll get him on two lowly nothing charges. He gets off on the sex trafficking. Of course, he too is sex trafficking to himself, allegedly, according to the prostitution, the prosecution.
Starting point is 01:17:02 And then everyone goes to bed happy that night. So yeah, investigate them. We all know that they were involved in rampant criminality. It was the biggest coup attempt in the history of America and the collusion of the media to cover it up for so long. So better late than never, but something better come of it other than an investigation. No charges can be brought because of statute of limitations, whatever, or charges brought, minimal charges, slap on the wrist like Kevin Kleinsmith, the FBI lawyer who falsified evidence,
Starting point is 01:17:34 submitted it to a secret FISA court in order to get the spy warrants on Carter Page. You got a year deferred disbarment and nothing, nothing. They break the law, it would send normal people to jail for decades. They don't even get a slap on the wrist and they get a good book deal and a CNN gig afterwards. That is really interesting. Well, Viva, thank you so much.
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Starting point is 01:18:14 I'm looking for my kids book. I've got a kids book. Drew, give me one second, one second. Okay, all right. Oh, look at that picture of Viva back there. Here we go. Luthor Lobster returns. He's upside down. On Amazon.
Starting point is 01:18:27 Oh. It is illustrated by the daughter of a community member in Locals. And yeah, when I'm not singing Starting Fights Over Epstein stuff, I wrote a kid's book. But no, if you put in Viva Fry on the internet, you'll get pretty much everything. And Twitter is where I really, um, let off some steam. So at the Viva Fry. And, uh, lovely book. And your wife has a book on, uh, educating kids on neuroscience, which I loved also as well.
Starting point is 01:18:58 It's amazing. She, uh, did that with a friend. It's called the neuron curious. No, I'm pretty sure it's called the curious neuron Furious neuron. It's a coloring book and it explores the brain. My wife is a neuro and yeah, she did that and she's actually the one who put it together because you know, I come up with the story but putting this in format and publishing on on Amazon self-help, it's I wouldn't have had the patience to do it, but she did it. Other than that, home schooling one kid, raising three, and trying to stay sane
Starting point is 01:19:30 in a world that is on fire. Well, I'm glad to have you as a teammate, and it's always a pleasure to see you, and thank you for coming and joining us today. For having me, anytime, every time. All right, Vio, thank you, buddy. All right, let's take a look at what's coming up here. He's so fun.
Starting point is 01:19:49 He is fun. We got to go see them when we're in Florida, we have to. You're respectful of your fans. Layla was supposed to be in today. She got sick, couldn't make it, so she's been rescheduled for the 16th. Janie McCarthy is still on for the 17th. Phillip Buggman on the 15th.
Starting point is 01:20:01 Kennedy on the 29th. Got a lot of guests coming up here. As always, Emily Barsch doing an amazing job getting our booking done. And if you'd like anybody to suggest, contact dr.com. Susan, anything before I wrap this up? No.
Starting point is 01:20:15 Let me see what you guys are saying on the rants. Caleb, you, neuroscience is fun. Thank you. You're going on Tim Poole's podcast. Yes, I'm going to go on Tim Poole. I've got to go to West Virginia tomorrow and stay in their little Holiday Inn, as this is their way.
Starting point is 01:20:29 Although they moved, I guess. You're at a better place. No, no, it was a day's end before. Now it's a Holiday Inn. No, no, yeah, it's a Holiday Inn Express. No, Holiday Inn Express. And I'm happy to be there. You're at all of nowhere.
Starting point is 01:20:41 Well, no, no, now it's in the, I don't know if they're- Why don't you tell everybody where you're going to go? Well, is that- I was about to use my seven second delay here. Do you need to give me address? Yeah, I'm sure you're supposed to. No, I don't think I'm supposed to because- No, you're not.
Starting point is 01:20:58 Because it's no longer out in the middle of nowhere. At least I'm not staying in the middle of nowhere, so. I won't be there to protect you. I know, it's going to be tough. It's going to be really rough. All right, everybody. It's been a great week. We're going to get off tomorrow
Starting point is 01:21:11 because I'm going to West Virginia and we appreciate you all being here. We appreciate our guests. Wait, wait, come in. There she is. Susan's popping in. Hi, rumble ranters. There they are.
Starting point is 01:21:22 Go ahead, have at it, Salty or a real man there. We've got Molten Salt and all those guys in there. Chatting it up. Yeah, join us in the rebel rants. That's a very lively organic group there. The real man is yelling at you, Susan. There you are. Hi.
Starting point is 01:21:40 The real man. Are you a real man? Molten is saying thank you as well. Okay, well, anyway, I'm going to be on the road and we will see you guys. No, love Island tonight, Drew. I'm so sorry. I know Susan is devastated. I'm okay.
Starting point is 01:21:55 I'm just totally mesmerized by this whole, you know, this whole phenomenon. I'm mad at Kat Timp because she introduced Susan to it and that has been- Yeah, but it's there. It's not enhanced our life. Aren't you glad you know what it is though? Yeah. Because if you heard about it, you'd be like, what, what's that?
Starting point is 01:22:10 Yeah, yeah. We've been educated. See, I didn't watch, my wife watched 90 Day Fiance for a couple of years and I never watched it. And then I heard you and Susan talking about it. Now we watch every possible spinoff of 90 Day Fiance there is, it's constantly on. And the past two weeks I've been hearing about Love Island
Starting point is 01:22:32 from two or three different friends talking about it. And I'm like no, not another one. Caleb, we met Shekinah and- I saw that. Blanking out his name, yeah. Shekinah and, oh God, what's his name? He was lovely actually. I don't know.
Starting point is 01:22:49 I enjoyed me. Yeah. He's a, we're going to go see his comedy because he's coming to Pasadena. I know, I can't remember his name. They have the weirdest names, but. Sarpur. This show makes.
Starting point is 01:22:59 Sarpur. This makes 90 Day Fiance look sort of dumb and tame. Like. Which is not a bad thing necessarily. Now we're desensitized by this love island. And when we go back to 90 Day Fiancé, it's like- Truly desensitized. It's just a bunch of old people fighting. Isn't it strange how like we've,
Starting point is 01:23:17 because Taylor and I, we've watched almost, yeah, I guess almost every episode of 90 Day Fiancé now. Isn't it strange how Shekinah and Sarpur have like turned out to be like the best couple of all when you least expected that at the beginning? Like they seem real tight. Yes. Yes. They are.
Starting point is 01:23:36 And meeting them in person, I kind of got a sense of why. I think it was all they were told to make it look like it wasn't working out. That's what Susan's theory was. Because the producers do do a lot of monkeying around. You know how I figured it out? Because they said, we're not sleeping at the tell-all. Oh, we're not sleeping together in different rooms. But we had sex.
Starting point is 01:23:54 I'm like, well, but if you're having sex, then you're obviously not separated. It was just stupid. And then we saw them a week later, and they were together, and they were fine. We are losing people as we speak. All that stuff is so weird. So we'll talk about Sierra's, no, yeah,
Starting point is 01:24:12 Sierra's misadventure if you wish, but you're going to have to ask for that conversation. All right, everybody, thank you all for being here. We'll see you on Tuesday at two o'clock Pacific time. Sorry, Sierra, you deserve better. Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Caleb Nation and Susan Pinsky. As a reminder, the discussions here are not a substitute for medical care, diagnosis or treatment. This show is intended for educational and informational purposes only.
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