Ask Dr. Drew - USAID Whistleblower: I Was Fired For Exposing “Corrupt Money Pit” w/ Dr. Mark Moyar & Iyah May (Pop Singer of Karmageddon & Real Life MD) – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 460

Episode Date: March 2, 2025

After whistleblower Dr. Mark Moyar exposed corruption inside USAID, he says he was falsely accused of revealing classified information and FIRED. Bloomberg recently reported on documents that show ���USAID probed allegations of bribery, child labor, and se*ual abuse of children at humanitarian organizations it funds” and says “the reports are damning.” Dr. Mark Moyar is the William P. Harris Chair of Military History at Hillsdale College and directs its Center for Military History and Strategy. He served as Director of Civilian-Military Cooperation at USAID from 2018-2019 and previously led the Project on Military and Diplomatic History at CSIS. He earned a B.A. summa cum laude from Harvard and a Ph.D. from Cambridge. His latest book is Masters of Corruption (2024). More at https://x.com/markmoyar Iyah May is an Australian pop singer and MD who grew up in a remote rainforest village in Far North Queensland, raised by her mother and older sisters. Her music career began as a medical student in New York, where a serendipitous encounter led her to perform at rapper Shaggy’s home while researching HIV. Her hit song Karmageddon went viral and amassed millions of views on YouTube and X. Find more at https://x.com/iyahmaymusic and https://iyahmay.com 「 SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS 」 Find out more about the brands that make this show possible and get special discounts on Dr. Drew's favorite products at https://drdrew.com/sponsors  • FATTY15 – The future of essential fatty acids is here! Strengthen your cells against age-related breakdown with Fatty15. Get 15% off a 90-day Starter Kit Subscription at https://drdrew.com/fatty15 • PALEOVALLEY - "Paleovalley has a wide variety of extraordinary products that are both healthful and delicious,” says Dr. Drew. "I am a huge fan of this brand and know you'll love it too!” Get 15% off your first order at https://drdrew.com/paleovalley • THE WELLNESS COMPANY - Counteract harmful spike proteins with TWC's Signature Series Spike Support Formula containing nattokinase and selenium. Learn more about TWC's supplements at https://twc.health/drew 「 MEDICAL NOTE 」 Portions of this program may examine countervailing views on important medical issues. Always consult your physician before making any decisions about your health. 「 ABOUT THE SHOW 」 Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Kaleb Nation (https://kalebnation.com) and Susan Pinsky (https://twitter.com/firstladyoflove). This show is for entertainment and/or informational purposes only, and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

All right, we're going to have Mark Moyer here in just a second. He's the William P. Harris Chair of Military History at Hillsdale College. He has a summa cum laude BA from Harvard and a PhD from Cambridge. His latest book is Masters of Corruption. You can follow him on X at Mark Moyer, M-O-Y-A-R. And I believe we're going to be visited by Iyam May, an Australian pop star and physician who grew up in far North Queensland.

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Mark, welcome to the program. Hey, it's great to be with you, Dr. Drew. So when did this all go down and what did you observe? What was the whistle blowing that you had done? Yeah, I joined USAID as a Trump appointee in 2018. And I, for several months, was just an advisor there. And then I was put in charge of an office later that year. And as soon as I was given that job, I was inundated by complaints from people within the office about all sorts of misbehavior. And some of this was just bad management, toxic leadership.

But some of it was criminal corruption. And the most egregious case that I came across was that, uh, my own deputy in the office was, uh, the chairman of the board of a company that was getting federal contracts. At the same time, he was a government employee and helping, uh, that company get contracts through his job, which is a flagrant violation of conflict of interest. You have to marry somebody and have the wife do it, or the husband, isn't that the way

that it's done in Congress now? Yes, it's usually a little more indirect. Or you have your son, Hunter, do it. Right, son do it, yes. But I'm saying that with my tongue embedded in my cheek, but the reality is that is what is going on in our government. We all certainly didn't know it, and you had a front row seat there.

Were you shocked? Yeah, I mean, and part of it was how brazen it was. You didn't even bother using a family cut out, which is how this often happens. And this person had even gotten permission from government lawyers to do this, which was an indication of how corrupt some of these government lawyers were. And so I went to agency officials who were supposed to deal with this kind of thing, and I said, look, I'm new here, but my employees are telling me all this stuff,

and it sounds pretty serious. And they said, well, you know, it's commendable that you want to raise this issue, but in reality most people don't bring these sorts of things up. And they didn't really explain why and I later found out why it's because you become the target when you do that. But you know, I said, you know, I came here to drain the swamp and so we're going to do we should do an investigation. So investigation goes ahead. And things unfold a bit slowly.

But to make a long story short, they ended up allowing this corrupt individual to keep his federal job by going to the Department of Defense where he still works. This is part of their usual shell game. They can reassign you somewhere. It has to be punishment. And the meantime, they made this fraudulent accusation against me and then violated my due process rights to get me fired. And, uh, I've been fighting ever since I'm still in court five years later,

trying to get this sorted out. And is the new administration I get in the book is chronicling this, is that correct? Yeah, the book tells this story up until about the beginning of 2024, when I'd originally hoped to have the book out earlier in the case closed. But part of the nature of this whistleblower retaliation is that they try to string you out because the government has all the lawyers and the money in the world, and they know Part of the nature of this whistleblower retaliation is that they try to string you out because the government has all the lawyers and the money in the world and they know that you don't and so they hope to drag it out. So, but you know again it's been in court for three years, we spent two years trying to get the inspector general to help us and that's another huge part

of the problem. The inspector general at this agency, like so many other agencies is part of the problem and they're in cahoots with a lot of these bad corrupt actors. Did you help direct say Elon Musk's or the current administration's attention to the USAID? And if so, if you had anything to do with that, are you going to direct them towards the inspector general's office? Well, they asked me to serve in this new Trump administration and I really wanted to do so, but we have a child with severe health problems and for personal reasons I couldn't do it.

But the book has been made available to a lot of the people who are making decisions. And so I do think that the inspector general, the office of security is another one. I talk in the book as well, the office of security, which has all sorts of important functions of their part of the problem too. And so what happened was as soon as Trump took office, they went to the office of security and said, give us your files and they refused to turn them over. So that's when they started putting people on leave. And so aid has become something of a test bed for what they're doing.

That has or USAID has? Or is that USAID? Is it all the same? Yeah, USAID and the problems they've encountered. I mean, I think they first went there because they knew how bad it was. And some of that is documented in the book. And so, you know, also foreign aid is very controversial.

So they went there and quickly encountered this resistance which then made it all the easier for them to justify these crackdowns. So what happened to us? What's your theory about, is this just the nature of bureaucracies when they get out of hand? Is this a technocracy that has taken over like it has in EU? Is this just bad people have gotten into our government?

How do we understand what happened here? Yeah, I think it's a combination of factors. I mean, part of it is bureaucracy inherently is prone to becoming self-absorbed and self-serving. You can go back in our history and you see that. You also have, I think in this case, a lot of the bureaucrats, well, it is a bureaucratic ideological echo chamber. I think 97% of the employees were Democrats, and so they reinforced their ideological bias. And then a lot of them bought into these ideas that somehow this was the end of democracy and this was, you know, that fascists were coming in. So therefore, we can do anything we want, basically.

The ends justify the means. And then I think also too you have broader ethical problems because our bureaucracy, like much of the ruling class, is very secular. They don't have the same sort of sense of religious, moral obligations, I think, that your average American does. What, how do we get out of this? What needs to be done?

I mean, I guess that's really the bottom line here is, and other than firing a bunch of people and closing a bunch of departments, it feels more insidious than that. Yes. Well, certainly you've got to find some new blood to take over the leadership. And that was a part of the problem too in the first Trump administration is they didn't actually select some of the political appointees carefully enough. And so, as you said, you do have to purge some of the bad apples, but you've got to find good people to go in there. I think what they're also looking at is converting a lot of these jobs

into at-will employees because most of the agency's employees were unionized and so it was almost impossible to fire them. And so if you can change that, I think it won't come as a surprise to most people. If you look at, you know, teachers unions, you have the same issue. And you can't fire people, you're not going to get good performance out of a lot of people. Do you think this, the USAID will survive this or was just need to be shuttered? Well, it looks like it functions will probably be moved into the state department. And so I think you will certainly see some of the functions continue and Congress has appropriated money and I mean this is going to be a fight that's

coming soon in terms of how much Authority that the executive branch has to say Congress. We're not going to spend the money You told us to spend but I think certainly they're gonna have to spend some of it. So they're gonna have to find different ways, different people. But again, it looks like the most likely outcome is that it becomes part of the state department. Couple of things. I don't know if you saw that Bloomberg story

that was thrown up there. Kayla, maybe you can put it up again about some child trafficking. It says USAID record details child sex crimes, labor abuse, social media threats. What the hell? What is all that? Yeah, well that came out,

it didn't get as much attention at the time because up until this year, USAID was not getting a lot of attention. But this story dates back a couple of years and what happened was that you had USA career employees making threats about bombing Pregnancy centers and churches basically radical anti or pro-abortion activists And so this was reported to the Office of Security and the Office of Inspector General The two people I actually,

two offices that I tried to get help from, but both of those offices turned a blind eye to this. And so we see that there's this strong ideological bias within these institutions, which are again, these are the people who are supposed to be safeguarding ethics and instead they're punishing whistleblowers and they're turning a blind eye when people are talking about blowing up churches. Maybe I'm naive, but I didn't think that the government's servants are, I mean, we elected officials and then the people that are in the government serve our will through those officials and their ideology

shouldn't mean shit. As far as I'm concerned, there shouldn't be a function of a bureaucrats ideology. They can have their ideology, but it shouldn't have anything to do with their function in the government. Yeah, that's right. Don't we need to do something about that? Yes. Well, and you know, of course they will try to tell you. Now, I will say, having worked there, there are some people who kind of check their ideology

at the door and do what they're told. But there were too many cases in the first Trump term where these bureaucrats surreptitiously are infusing their political beliefs and they are convinced that they know better than Trump and the people who voted for him. So that's why you think I think you see this reaction in the second Trump term. I think first Trump term they were slow to pick up on this and it wasn't until 2020 they started to do some things, but now they've clearly realized that the bureaucracy is fundamentally in many ways trying to stop them. And so they're figuring out how to change things.

It's out of control. A friend of mine, Paul, Dr. Paul Alexander was pulled aside at a state department party where they were explicit with him and said, they don't believe that these guys are here for four years. They don't run the government. We run the government. He told me that about two or three years ago

and I was just shocked to hear that. It was so disgusting. So anathema to what government government service is supposed to be in this country. Russia, China, okay, I understand, but in this country no, well the people I thought. Want to own part of the airline you flew with on your last vacation? Or part of the company that makes your favorite triple shot latte with extra foam? What about owning part of a company that one day could send you on a tour of outer space? Now you can.

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they were there for themselves, they were going to pad their resumes and move on. The bureaucrats were very good at manipulating them because they would say, oh, you're the most brilliant person I've ever met. You're doing such a great job here. So then they would just let the bureaucrats do what they wanted and the bureaucrats then go and and surreptitiously are pushing their agenda and moving money and they're very good at saying one thing while doing another. So I've got a bunch of sort of unrelated questions. One is how do you go from military historian to this job and are you back teaching military history and what kind of military history do you teach? Yes, well I got a PhD in military and diplomatic history wrote several books on the Vietnam War and Unfortunately in American academia military history has gone out of fashion

Being a conservative white male is also very out of fashion. And so a combination of those things mean you don't get hired at the big universities that give you tenure. And so I spent some time working in military institutions and think tanks. And then when the Trump administration came in, they were looking for somebody with my skill set, which involves some of it involves getting the civilian and military institutions to cooperate. And so I became the head of the Office of Civilian Military Cooperation. After they fired me, I ended up going back into academia.

I'm now teaching at Hillsdale College, which is a great place to be and one of the few places that still rewards the serious teaching of military history and other forms of history and Do you I was asked I was prompted to ask about speaking military history about Pete Hegseth. Is he someone you know? I Know him not well But but he had endorsed one of my earlier books, which I wrote about President Obama's feckless policies. And he first met him because he was an advocate for veterans in the wars in Afghanistan and

Iraq, and was, I think, very rightly calling out a lot of the terrible policies we saw out of Barack Obama. And now, more recently, he's been calling out the crazy DEI initiatives that took hold in the Biden era. And that clearly will be one of his top priorities. But he's also looking at refocusing in the military on fighting and not doing a lot of these silly things that it's been doing for the last four years. And speaking of DEI, I'm reading that you was it you, let me make sure this is true. Uh, had some sort of perp walk you had to do as a female privilege. Yeah.

What was this? Yes. This was a, another shock to me because I came in in February, 2018. So this is more than a year into the Trump administration. And they are still putting people through this DEI training. The way that Privilege Walk worked is you're given an identity. So you have to play somebody else's role.

So I was the woman of Scandinavian descent. And then I had to answer the questions or react to them as if I was that person. And you had a male French development official, and you had a woman with an unwanted child, and a male prostitute, and things like that. And you all stand in a line, and then they read you a statement,

and depending on who you are, you either step forward or you step back, and questions like, do people make negative stereotypes about you, or does the president of the country look like you? And so at the end, the white guy is heard this forward, and me being the white female, I was second. And then there's very, just degrees of separation between people from the back. And so it's a long used left-wing propaganda tool to try to show that, you know, everything

is about privilege and that's why some people get ahead better than others. And that's of course used to push government, you know, socialist policies that will supposedly eliminate these privileges because we know it's not, you know, anything you've actually done that might get you ahead in life. It's the privileges you have. I like the way they assume that a white female Scandinavian is some sort of stereotype that they've got, that they've got pegged. I mean, she could be anything, right? She could be a physicist. Why, why are they, why are they pegging the Scandinavian female? Yeah.

And, you know, of course it also ignores largely ignores the class privileges if, you know, every, you know, white male is, it works on wall street and, and drive the Porsche. And, uh, you know, everyone else's is impoverished and cursed. No, that's untrue. And, and obviously this is one of the big reasons Donald Trump got elected because Americans saw through this the sort of political correct DEI ideology and especially the working class

realized that, you know, in fact, people are disadvantaged for lots of different reasons, most of which are not covered by DEI. From your historian perspective, should we have been surprised that we ended up here and are there historical examples that help us understand how we get out and what the probability is that we get out? Yeah, that's an excellent question. I think the closest parallel we have really is Andrew Jackson. And it's fascinating.

We teach American history course here at Hillsdale and we have students read Andrew Jackson. And one of the things Jackson talks a lot about is how the bureaucracy, career government officials become corrupt, they become self-serving. And so he wanted to limit the amount of time they could serve. And so I think that's a point we've now returned to, that the only one, and obviously government's much bigger now than it was in his day, but some of these problems are new. As people have pointed out, even Bill Clinton, when he came in 1993, recognized that you had bloated government and he cut hundreds of thousands of jobs.

And so the idea that it's fundamentally new is, I think, largely mistaken. I mean, I do think you have very high level of distrust in the government, but that's against something we've seen before. I do think it's going to be a challenge to try to bring Americans together. The Biden administration, I think also the Obama administrations, were among the most divisive and Americans are now divided against each other. And then you have, when Trump comes in this this The people who were doing sort of the the most dividing now are crying foul and things that are getting worse

So I do think we we will need some period at some point where people will get along better And we don't have this phenomenon we have where people, you know Don't want to be friends with other people simply because they belong to the wrong political party. Yeah, it was weird. I saw when Jane Fonda did the night when she got the sort of lifetime achievement, where her thing was, we're just more empathic. We just have empathy.

And if you're not woke, you don't have empathy. And I thought, oh yeah, this is it. This is it. You have to, if you don't want to deal with drug addiction, let's say by giving people heroin and letting them die in their street, you don't care. And if you don't care the way I care, you're a bad person. It's the weirdest thinking.

It's so narcissistic and it's so wrong too. It's wrong-headed, it harms people. But I don't know how we get people out of that brainwashing they're in. Yeah, I think it's going to be tough. And I think the left, to large degree, has kind of invited this on themselves because they've been, and when they've been in power, they have really been the ones, I think, who have tried to make politics the center of everything and to assume they know all and therefore anybody else must be evil in some way who

doesn't agree. And that has created great support for Donald Trump because he's been willing to push back on that. And you've got lots of other people now feel aggrieved because they have been the victim of this left- wing intolerance. It feels like this has been a, you tell me if I'm wrong from the historical perspective, but like this really feels like it. I started rolling the clock back further when I started thinking

about how we got here, I started thinking, oh, she have Kay and he had, he was making a lot of interesting changes and no, no, wait a minute, it goes back and, oh, I think it goes back to Wilson, when this all this kind of elitist, from on high, bureaucratic, technocratic kind of thing took hold. Yeah, certainly you can see a lot of the Wilsonian concepts that basically you need this expertise, bureaucratic expertise, and they're going to solve everything because of course experts are very smart and they don't have any biases, of course has been disproven time and again.

I think one thing that could help move us past is if we move ahead with this sharp paring down of government, I do think what you're going to see is that most of what government does will still work. Now, I think people right now are worried that they're cutting so much that it's going to destroy things. But I can tell you, I was at USA during a shutdown when most of the employees were not allowed to work. And a lot of the stuff, most important stuff was still getting done. And they said, there's good people in government, there's a lot of people who aren't pulling their weight. And so, I think if Americans see that, in fact, we can save a bunch of money by removing,

shrinking the workforce and I think also dealing with other forms of corruption I think you know entitlement corruption is a huge problem too that should save us huge amounts of money I think that maybe will get us back to a place where there's more consensus. Make me feel better you said there's important stuff they're doing can you give an example of something important that they're doing at the USAID? Well, the most popular program with Congress is what's called PEPFAR. And that is a program to give drugs to people in poor countries to keep them from dying of AIDS.

And so that has actually been granted. The Trump administration has, I think, generally been okay with that. And so that program, I think, is likely to continue. There are some things that are actually very much in our interests. When we have health programs that will help us identify diseases in foreign countries before they come over here, or we have programs that will help us identify diseases in foreign countries before they come over here,

or we have programs that will help us detect whether people are trying to come here illegally. And also when we're trying to combat China, there's some things we can do. All that seems to have failed horribly. I don't know whether it's the flood of immigrants immigrants, the COVID, I mean why do we have those things if that's where we end up? But okay. Yeah. It just it just feels like we we fund things that we can't afford and it's unfortunate. Things we I think that do sound quite good but I don't

know how we afford these things I guess. Maybe I just understand the power of the of the American government of all the all those resources we have. The other thing, lastly for me, again, I'm trying to understand the historical moment. When I look at these giant bureaucracies that are failing, I look at sort of Catholic Church

in Spain in 17th century, I look at France in 19th century, or 18th century, end of the 18th century. And not so great things happen to get out of that, but they happen fast. They tend to happen very quickly. It's like, I always bring up Hemingway's description of one of his characters was asked,

what is it like to go bankrupt? He'd gone bankrupt and he goes, well, it's very slow and then very fast. First it's slow, then it's fast. And I feel like that's kind of what we're dealing with here based on historical antecedents, but they're pretty intense spasms to get out of it. Yeah, one thing to keep in mind is that this country

was created in a way to restrict the authority of anyone and that includes the president so the things the White House trying to do now are running into opposition from both Congress and the courts and I think you know inherently there is value to that I think we don't want to be to allow one person should do everything they want because we may sympathize with That person now, but tomorrow it could be somebody with very different motive. So I think that is going to put some serious constraints I will say actually I've been surprised at how fast they've been able to move especially with Doge I think they probably figured they would try to get a lot of this done before

that Congress and the courts could even react. And they have done a lot, but I think we're going to see in the next at least year and probably more that you're going to have courts and Congress battling with the executive branch over these things like getting rid of bureaucrats, whether the executive branch can just refuse to spend money that Congress has authorized. Kind of interesting and I suppose healthy, but the question I would have that I think worries people and as someone who'd been inside,

I wonder what you think of this. I keep hearing people's anxiety coming through that Musk is gonna break something. Something's gonna, of course, something's gonna be done not great and they'll have to reverse course. I mean, that's just the way, the nature of what he's doing.

But do you worry that something could get broken that would not be able to, not be fixable or could have some real dire consequences? Yeah, I don't think there's probably anything that would be unfixable. I do think there'll be some short-term pain that may be unnecessary. Whether you can avoid that, I'm not sure. But there's companies or-

You can't. Listen, when you're doing major, it's like trying to be a company. It's like the way they tried to cut in Japan. People can't lose their job. The company's got to keep going. Then they end up in stagnation for 50 years. There's this is there's no way to do this without it being without it hurting. And the way the nice thing I suppose the nicest thing is if the hurt gets distributed to all

of us. So we just kind of get through this and move forward. Yeah, and hopefully they will be able to I think, well, we've already seen some of the funding get restored. When you cut off massive amounts of funding to all sorts of people, there are going to be some people who get hurt along the way. I'm not sure how long that will last. Hopefully the people who get laid off will find private sector employment

or maybe they can get hired back as at-will employees. But I mean, it has been the reality for a long time that if you're the kind of person who doesn't wanna work hard, maybe the government, the kind of place you go. And so, you know, when you're now thrown out in the streets, it may be hard for some of these people to find gainful employment. You know what?

People have a way of stepping up. They do. I have more faith in people than that, I hope. But a couple last questions here. Does anything keep you up at night based on what you've learned and seen? Yeah, I still think getting back through and examining all of the bad things that have been going on in the past decade, there's a lot to be done.

There's a new story that has just come out about things that were happening in 2015 in the FBI and this honeypot operation to entrap people in the Trump administration. There's so much of that that still hasn't been discovered. And it said USAID. There's, I think, lots of stuff because as I've found, most of the time when people report corruption it gets swept under the rug. And so I'm hoping that people will have now the time to go in and really dig in and find out what's been going on. And what's up for you next? Where are you putting your energy other than teaching? Well, we are commemorating the 50th anniversary of the end of the Vietnam War.

We've got several big events going on this year, and I'm still right now working on the last of what's a three volume trilogy of the Vietnam War, which I think has been one of the most misunderstood and politicized events in American history. Give me the thumbnail. What do you mean? That's a pretty tantalizing little drop there at the end. I argue, two fundamental points is I agree, I argue that for one thing, there was actually a good reason to be in Vietnam, which is not what you most usually hear from the left and that actually the war could have been won. Now most Vietnam veterans I think would agree in general with me, but in our intelligentsia, those views are out of fashion. And so I've spent a good deal of my career

doing in-depth research. I wrote a book called Triumph Forsaken, another one called Triumph Regained, working on the last one now to really disprove a lot of this left-wing conventional wisdom. Did you interview Colin Powell in any of the research for this? I know I have not talked with him. I've been able to talk with quite a few other veterans, although unfortunately now a lot

of them are passing on. Yeah, yeah, unfortunately. Because I've heard some just really fascinating things that he had said. Susan, there's something in front of the camera here. So give me one. There we go, fixed it. And I didn't check with you at the beginning, until you pronounced the last name, Moyer or Moyer?

Moyer, yeah. Moyer, okay. All right, Mark, thank you so much for being here and thank you for your work and service and writing the books. I hope there's more coming so we can kinda, I mean, so much of what happened here needs to be documented Thoroughly so we don't fall, you know, we understand that we don't do this again. I that's what I worry about COVID that not in there's not enough

documentation or enough You know Investigation the honest investigation to what happened or we will do it again. So I don't know Thank you so much for being here, Mark. Again, it is Mark Moyer, you can find him on X-M-O-Y-A-R. Thank you, sir. Thanks a lot. Great to be with you. You bet. Thank you. And coming up, as we said, we're going to have Aya May. She is a physician who is... I want to hear her story. I want to hear her tell the story because I've read a few versions of it.

And she says things like, I questioned what I was doing in life. I felt like a big piece was missing. And then all of a sudden something happened. And we're going to talk about what that was, hopefully right after this. Oh, there she is. Something happened there.

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Are you rather? Is that happening on your side? Yes, that is, okay, so let me explain what that is. That is on our side. So our friend Cat Timp from, you know, from Gutfeld, she had a baby and she also has a medical problem and they are exhausted and we are making them dinner so we can run it over there immediately after the show.

Filet mignon. Filet mignon, she's making a steak for her. And if you saw her braising the outside, immediately after the show. Filet mignon. Filet mignon, she's making a steak for her. And if you saw her braising the outside, couldn't have done that in the oven, huh? Couldn't have just... In the oven. No, you have to fry it. Oh, it's right first.

And then get it browned. Okay. So, Caleb, that sizzling sound is meat being cooked. But the other thing is, I don't know if you all saw her tweet, her post on X yesterday, I think it was, but she has some rather serious medical stuff going on on top of that. We're going to get her through all that, but she's got a lot to deal with. I mean, just so much. And so we are heading over there as fast as we can to try to help her out.

So, my other question, Caleb, other than your question about what the sizzle is, is Aya there? Oh yes, here she is. Okay. Aya Mayer, thank you, welcome. I appreciate you being here. Now, I want your whole story, and I want it from your perspective. I've read a few of your interviews and things,

and it's just so interesting to me. So you went to medical school, you were a physician and you felt a little searchy. You were looking around still, things weren't right, things weren't complete. Is that sort of how things started? Yeah, I went to medical school. I'm still working as a doctor in Australia

and something just drove me to pursue something outside of medicine and that became music. But lately, releasing Calm Again has just been inspired by what's been going on in the world. And I got a bunch of peer questions for you because I kind of had a similar feeling. That's what kind of led me to talking on the radio was like, I was looking for some other way to creatively express being a service or being helpful. Here's your video, by the way we're playing now,

while we watch and while we're talking. And one of the things that happened to me early on is I was, I wouldn't even call it criticized, but I was run asunder by my peers, particularly my elder peers. Are you having any pushback from your peers? Related to my song? Yeah, just to raise your music career generally.

Oh, yeah, I think a lot of my friends thought I was crazy for the first while. I mean, I am a bit crazy to an extent. And then a lot of my colleagues realized that it's not a phase and I started putting out more music. And I think a lot of people are just super happy for me and supportive, which is nice. Because that's good. To me, that sounds like a generational change. You know, 30 years ago, you weren't allowed to have this, you know, you couldn't be a performer and a physician. You just didn't do that.

And the sort of, and you know how medicine is sort of, people don't appreciate this. It's kind of a, at least in training, certainly, and certainly in the kind of hierarchical structure at a teaching institution, it's very military. It's like, it's structured like the military, right? Yeah, it can be. And as such, if you step out of line, private,

get back in the troop here. Don't stand out in any way, just fall in line. And what kind of medicine do you practice now? So at the moment I'm doing more holistic stuff. So a lot of mental health and a lot of nutrition and wellness, which is what I like, but the more that music's going on, the more it's kind of taking over and I'm stepping into that. And tell me about this one, the video particularly we were looking at that went viral.

Yeah, so the Carmageddon music video, I made it with Bradley Murnane in Newcastle, he's a legend, and we kind of just played around. We didn't have a solid plan for the video. We just went with the flow and it just came out organically. You can read the lyrics. I mean, I'm sure you have. It's pretty, I mean, it's just a sign of the times, right? It's like the chaos that we're all living in at the moment. Yeah. Yeah. And, and did I see, I don't know if I actually read this or not Did you at one point were you working with Shaggy? Did I see that somewhere? Is that true or did I just imagine that? Yeah, that's part of the story when I moved to New York So I went to New York to do research for a year as a student and I was totally broke

Like I took out student loans. I worked in a bar, you know Music became something that I thought I was just gonna dabble in but then I kind of fell into it and I was totally broke. Like I took out student loans. I worked in a bar, you know, music became something that I thought I was just going to dabble in, but then I kind of fell into it and I was doing it every single day, as well as research, you know, on the side. So I'd, you know, I'd go to the clinic and the lab in the daytime.

Then in the nighttime, I'd go out with my friends and do gigs. And I'd be- I like the way your day job is on the side. I mean, I didn't plan it. Eight hours a day on the side. I mean, it didn't plan it. Eight hours a day on the side. It's a stereotype. Yeah, well.

Yeah, yeah. What was the research? Just so we really fill out the story. I was HIV and hepatitis C. Yeah. So treatments or transmission or what kind of stuff were you doing? Yeah, transmission and just looking how it was

correlated to demographics in New York. So it was interesting, but honestly, my head was definitely more in the artsy world. And I met my coach and I met some friends and I just kind of jumped into that world. And the shaggy part, I actually spoke to him yesterday about this. I ended up at his house in Long Island after I got a ride with an NYPD car, as you do,

and to his house by the way. He referred me to a coach, Craig Derry, and he's like, you really got to see this guy. He's amazing. So I did, and Craig changed my life and just instilled this conviction within my heart that I could pursue music as a career. And I think that gave me a lot of strength to break away a little bit from medicine. Cause you know, sometimes it feels like a bit of a cult

stepping away from medicine because you're expected to go down this path. It does. That's right. It does, yeah. There is a cult equality, Jordan. I agree, I've said that. And you know, you do what you've been told,

you do what you've been taught, you listen to authorities. And again, it's military meets cult. Yeah, and it doesn't like people that step out of line. It does not know what to do with that. But this was a singing coach? Yeah, yeah. Singing coach.

So Shaggy and I go way back to his very, very first album in the eighties, I think it was, wasn't it? And, um, and I was, yeah, he did. And people, something people know about Shaggy, if I remember right, he was a, he was either a firefighter or a Marine or something. What was it? Do you know that that's part of the story? Yeah, that's right. That's cool. And I became a major Shaggy enthusiast right then and he knew it and he'll remember in about the mid 90s, please if you see him again, bring this story up for me if you wouldn't mind. Shit, what's the guy's name? I'm going to think of his very famous sort of, I think he was Jamaican sort of rap artist.

And he was, we were interviewing him and Shaggy and I was gushing at Shaggy. And this guy became enraged with me for not paying enough attention to him and stormed out of the studio. And it was the craziest thing. Was pacing around outside like an animal. I don't know what was going on.

Who, what's the guy's name? Look up, look up like, no, it's like, it's Shaggy, a love line freak out with a rap artist mid nineties. No, no. Oh God, I wish she does notorious. 90s. No, no. Oh God. I wish she was notorious. So, uh, so what's, what is the future? What is it? Rick rock, maybe I'm trying to figure it out. Yeah. But he was way back, way back. It's really, he, yeah. It, I gotta drive me crazy. He's got like two names,

but it, but it's, but it's sort of ethnic sounding, almost Hispanic sounding if I remember right. Anyway, what is it? You guys are yelling out names at me. So what's up next for you? What's coming up? I've got an acoustic version of Come Again dropping on Friday.

So I'm really excited for that. So keep the lookout for it. Congratulations. Thank you. And I've got more music so I'm just going to keep dropping that and just see where Destiny takes me. No, no, it was he was a much more um, there's a guy named, much more Caribbean, much more yeah special ed is Adam's guy, more Caribbean thing. Um so special ed was a character on Crank Yankers, okay?

He wasn't it. Special Ed. I wish it was Snoop Dogg, to be honest. Crap. No, it wasn't Snoop, although we knew Snoop, I know that I know Snoop very well too. We used to meet with him and his spiritual leader, Don Magic Wand.

If you've met him, he, okay, and you don't know, look up Don Magic Juan, look at his, look at, look at his greened El Dorado, his sparkly green El Dorado. He was a, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,. Just look up 95, 96, rapist, rap artist.

Rapist. I lost my train of thought everybody. Who sounds Caribbean? Sean Kingston. No, you guys, it's, okay, I'm going to sit here and I'm going to have to get more lawyers. I'm being subjected. I'm trying to wrap my brain about who are these people

from the eighties? Nineties, nineties. It's not quite that old. Not in so many. He was a hit in the eighties. He was a hit in the 80s. He was a hit in the 80s. No, it was before them. You guys aren't going far enough back.

Anyway, Boiseman was not one dude. You met with Miami. Yeah, once or twice, but the way back. So listen, so people should know to get the music at AYA, which is spelled I-Y-A-H, right? Hang on a second. I'm making sure. Yeah.

I-Y-A-H. Wait, the whole, I want to make sure where you download the music. It is a very catchy song. I-Y-A-H. I-Y-A-H. M-A-Y. M want I Y A H. I way. A Y. May. May music.

I am a music and you can follow her on I think X. I am a and and there is kind of a political bent to your stuff. Is there not? And is that also going to be part of the future? Is it political or is it just narrating what's going on in the world? Starting a conversation, you know what I mean? Yeah, commentary. Yeah, is that what you want?

Is that where you feel good? That's where you want to focus? You know what? It just came up organically and randomly and I just wanted to write a song about what was going on with my producer, Danny. We just sat there asking ourselves, what's just so heavy on our hearts and going on in the world? And now this song has kind of become an anthem for people because it's kind of singing what

we're all thinking and have been thinking. And I think that's why, to my surprise like it's resonating with so many people around the world is because it's speaking for people who don't have a voice and who felt unseen and I just want to make sure all my music comes from a place that's real and true to myself and it doesn't matter if it's political or not or if it's about you know losing a best friend or grief or love or whatever as long as it's true to myself. Well appreciated. We have rights to play the music. Oh, we can play the music?

Can we play and the video too? Can we do a little bit of that perhaps? Yes, I'll get it on. Let's do it. We will do that in just a second. So why don't you intro it? Here it is. I'm getting corporations where they never lie. Politicians brought for life more than war. That's all I can play.

Well, congratulations. Yeah, that's all right. Congratulations. YouTube, 500 people on YouTube will see it. Yeah. It will get stuck in your head. It's been stuck in my head since it came out. So it's, yeah, it's an earworm.

Love that. Love that, mate. Thank you. Are you in Australia? That's the highest comment. Am I? Are you in Australia now or are you in New York still? I'm in Sydney. Yeah. Sydney. I want to be in New York. All right.

I'm in Sydney, but... Well, we'll one day see you here. We're in New York right now. And I'm looking through all the ethnic 95 96 rappers and it's getting close. I swear to God it's getting close what I'm looking I have a list of ten I have a list of ten that I've narrowed down but and we'll go over that and see if we can figure it out after We let I go. It's like a yeah, let's let I go But tell Shaggy tell Shaggy that I think of him off I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure.

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I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. All right, well, if she's curious, you want me to go down the list, Drew? All right, this is a top 10 most likely list based on the details you gave me from GROK. Oh God. Because it'd be Coolio, Ice-T. No, but it's in around Coolio and Ice-T's time. It is around that time.

LL Cool J, KRS-1. That's two, that's two. This guy was way more Island. Like that's why he was on with Shaggy. You know, they would make Caribbean. So add Caribbean to the Croc search. So. All right, let me, another round coming up.

Marley's son? No, no, no. No, he's cool. I like, I sat on a plane with him. I put Caribbean in there. Let's see if something like that comes up It keeps wanting to say it's one of the guys from insane clown posse cuz I put in that he was a love No, it's not. I promise it is not ICP. I promise Buster Rhymes Cliff Jean it's still heavy. I'm not mad lion

It's still heavy. I'm not mad. Lion, not Dougie. Fresh. That's hip. These are hip hop. Those are huge hip hop. This is like, I'm not going to know this person. What's that rock Maxie priest. Oh, I think it was Maxie priest. Maxie priest. It was Maxie priest.

It was Maxie priest. A British Jamaican reggae singer known for close to you, big in the early 90s. Maxie Priest. Thank you, Grock. Maxie Priest. And Shaggy will remember him having a total meltdown shit fit because I was too enthusiastic about my friend Shaggy. So, and by the way, Maxie Priest at the time was a big star.

I was delighted to meet him, but I've always been a huge, huge Shaggy fan. So shout out Shaggy. And I'm glad you hooked up with him. He's a legend, but he, he's, I dig that he is a figure prominently into your career. That's great. I think that's a nice thing. So I, there he is. Uh, that's Maxie Priest, right?

Yeah. I, that's, he's, he's a little older there than when I saw him when he had that meltdown. But, all right, Aya, thank you so much for joining us. Good luck and hope you'll swing by again when the new music drops. No worries, thanks Dr. Dre. All right, thank you so much, appreciate it. And we are going to put up the schedule for next,

for tomorrow actually. And tomorrow we're going to put up the schedule for next, for tomorrow actually. And tomorrow we're going to be at, Susan is still cooking in the background. Nick is full, sure. I was just looking at some of the prep for him. I think he's another whistleblower, if I remember right. He's an epidemiologist, Administrator for the McCullough Foundation, Peter McCullough.

He has been advancing our understanding of COVID vaccine injury syndromes and the origin of 8.5 N1 bird flu. We're gonna talk a little bird flu tomorrow too. Because God knows that is overstated. There was just doing the journal article that came out while we were on the air here. I sent it to my email, I'm gonna read it tonight.

What the academic institutions are thinking about this. My glance through the article seem to suggest that all their concern about is animal transmission and they don't really have any significant concerns about humans but we'll see about that. And there's all our guests coming up. Gary Sinise is kind of a cool add on on March 19th. And stay with us. Tomorrow we're a little early. We're at three o'clock Eastern noon Pacific. Is that correct, Susan? Yes, that's correct. That is correct.

Caleb, that is correct? Okay. Yep, that's correct. And then next week we are back in Los Angeles, back in Pasadena and we will continue from there. Then Susan's show will start up again next week as well. And so we'll see you tomorrow at 3 Eastern noon Pacific. Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Caleb Nation and Susan Pinsky. As a reminder, the discussions

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