Ask Dr. Drew - “Vaccinating Children Like Cattle”: Aaron Siri Demands ACIP Changes + Dr. Ryan Cole on mRNA “Footlong” Clots & Darrlene Alquiza on CA’s “Medical Exemption” SB1377 — Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 611

Episode Date: April 18, 2026

According to the New York Times, attorney Aaron Siri and HHS Secretary RFK Jr. are overhauling the CDC & ACIP vaccine advisory committee. The planned changes include a restructuring of its vaccine charter – incorporating a proposal that “places a heavy emphasis on vaccine safety and includes “recovery from serious vaccine injuries” as among the types of expertise that would qualify someone to be a committee member.” The NYT reports that Aaron Siri “argued that vaccines that blunt illness but do not prevent infection or transmission do not have an impact more broadly on the population, so individuals should be free to choose for themselves whether they wish to be immunized.” He included polio, tetanus, and HPV shots in this category. Aaron Siri discusses his viral petition and why he wants to end the era of “vaccinating children like cattle.” Pathologist Dr. Ryan Cole gives an update on his fierce legal battle against the Washington State Medical Commission’s attempt to restrict his license. Darrlene Alquiza (CEO of Informed Policy Advocates) breaks down California’s SB1377—a crucial new bill designed to return the rights of doctors to write medical exemptions without the draconian oversight of the state health department. Dr. Ryan Cole is a double board certified, Mayo Clinic trained pathologist with subspecialty training in dermatopathology through Columbia University. He has a background in PhD research in virology and immunology and has diagnosed over 500,000 patients. He has testified before U.S. Congress and international bodies. Follow at https://x.com/DoctorCole Aaron Siri is a managing partner of Siri & Glimstad and handles civil rights, informed consent, and high stakes litigation. He is the author of Vaccines Amen: The Religion of Vaccines and works on class actions and constitutional issues. Follow at https://x.com/AaronSiriSG Darrlene Alquiza is CEO, Co-Founder and Executive Director of Government Affairs at Informed Policy Advocates. She works on legislative efforts related to medical exemptions and patient rights. Learn more at https://informedpolicyadvocates.org 「 SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS 」 • STRONG CELL – If you want to feel more like your younger self, go to https://strongcell.com/ and use code DREW for 20% off. • AUGUSTA PRECIOUS METALS – Thousands of Americans are moving portions of their retirement into physical gold & silver. Learn more in this 3-minute report from our friends at Augusta Precious Metals: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/gold⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ or text DREW to 35052 ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠• FATTY15 – The future of essential fatty acids is here! Strengthen your cells against age-related breakdown with Fatty15. Get 15% off a 90-day Starter Kit Subscription at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/fatty15⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • PALEOVALLEY - "Paleovalley has a wide variety of extraordinary products that are both healthful and delicious,” says Dr. Drew. "I am a huge fan of this brand and know you'll love it too!” Get 15% off your first order at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/paleovalley⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • THE WELLNESS COMPANY - Counteract harmful spike proteins with TWC's Signature Series Spike Support Formula containing nattokinase and selenium. Learn more about TWC's supplements at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twc.health/drew⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ 「 ABOUT THE SHOW 」 This show is for entertainment and/or informational purposes only, and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Executive Producers • Kaleb Nation - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://kalebnation.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • Susan Pinsky - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://x.com/firstladyoflove⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Content Producer • Emily Barsh - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://x.com/emilytvproducer⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Hosted By • Dr. Drew Pinsky - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://x.com/drdrew⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

What are we doing indeed? I've got Dr. Ryan Cole coming back to us. He's the one that first identified some of those crazy clots in post-mortem autopsies. He is a double board certified in pathology. He's done a PhD research in biology, immunology. And of course, he gets in trouble just like the rest of us for daring to question things. So he'll give us an update on all that. And then Aaron Siri, the attorney that wrote this book, Vaccines Amen, the religion of vaccines. He is working close. closely with RFK Jr. to change the way we operationalize our vaccine schedule, I think we're in the ACP as well. And then Darlene Al-Qaeda. He'ser comes in, CEO and co-founder, executive director of government affairs at Informed Policy Advocates, talking about some legislative action that she was up overseeing today in Sacramento. So there's a lot to get into. Stay with us. Be right, back. Our laws as it pertain to substances are draconian and bizarre.

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Ryan, welcome back. Thank you, Dr. Drew. Great to see you again. So I feel like the last time we talked, it was sort of during the darker days of, in this state, I think they were even still lockdowns underway at the time. And we were all like, what's going on? trying to understand things, what's real, what isn't. Bring me up to date with where you're at and you're thinking about whatever interests

you, frankly, but the whole thing, there's so many mysteries in what we went through there for me. And I'm still trying to, I'm still evolving my ideas about it. I think we all are. As more information and data comes out and we're able to see some of the data that was hidden and or doing more research and finding some of the mechanisms why certain things we're happening to people and not to other people. So we've come a long way.

And then as well on the medical freedom front, we've come a long way. Certainly free speech is valued again and to a degree. I hope. Yeah. I hope it stays that way. We'll see. And so, yeah, just understanding. And then like you're doing and many others are doing,

just trying to help those who unfortunately have been harmed from the last several years, trying to find solutions for those individuals as well. And here's my predominant preoccupation. And I've been sort of repeating this over and over. People have heard me. But my thoughts are still evolving, even though this one principle is paramount, which is that the fundamental pathogenic mechanism

is mediated through the spike protein. Do we agree on that? Spike protein is the pathogen. I mean, the pathological component. I agree. We, right. And it primarily causes an endothelitis, but now there's some evidence that there's maybe some immune suppression, maybe there's some neurological stuff, and there's all kinds of concerns about what that spike protein does. And at the very beginning, I kept saying, we got to ask questions about what's happening here and then decide, is it the illness? Is it the infection or the vaccine or both? Because they're both producing the spike protein. Do you have any more? clarity about that. I agree. And the infection itself, we did see, you know, that ground glass appearance on

x-rays, and that was clotting in the lower lungs. As well, we saw an increase in pulmonary ambley. This is before any of the shots ever rolled out. Then after the shots rolled out, certainly we saw more of that. And we gave people shots who already had natural immunity, so we hyper-rev their immune system. And I think we discussed this. I think on the first episode we did together that the primary mechanism is causing inflammation of the lining of the blood vessels and endotheliitis, which then triggered a lot of these other clotting pathways and that spike protein, as well as some other proteins unintended, what I call Frankenstein proteins that the shot made that were truncated or shortened versions of the spike could induce autoimmune conditions and other antibodies that the body had. not seen before. So there's just so many mechanisms that led to these clotting, clotting mechanisms, and, you know, that spike protein, a portion of it can cross even the blood-brain barrier.

And there have been so many good autopsy studies and pathology studies around the world. The Japanese have done great work. I've been over there in Tokyo and spoken with several of my colleagues over there that have just demonstrated both the synthetic RNA in blood vessels, in skin lesions as well as an autopsy series in the brain. So there's just so much evidence now coming out. It doesn't make it to the mainstream, obviously, and that's why we're talking about it. But we're still seeing people suffering from these conditions

because it's a chronic immune response in a lot of these long COVID-slash-long vaccine patients. Yeah, I think personally I had two injuries. I had bad, and again, the other thing I've been chanting about is it alpha and delta is a different illness than omicron. We're still behaving as though Omicron and Alpha is the same thing. It's a different illness.

And I got injured by Alpha and Delta where I lost my hearing. I are ringing my ears. Oh, well, this is the vaccine. This is my other injury. I woke up the morning after the vaccine. I got the J&J vaccine with Raccoons Eye, which is this why I brought this up, which is a presenting feature of transverse sinus rombosis.

And so, you know, although we think about the uncontrolled production of spike protein causing clotting, and we're all worried about that, I'm living proof that the J&J was also doing the same thing sufficiently to cause the low-level thrombosis in my skull. And we also know it caused it, caused in women at least, TTP, thrombotic thrombocytopin and purpora. And strangely, because of those things, and by the way, I heard Fauci talking about this. on a tape I'd never seen before, where he said, oh, yeah, it can cause a clot in the cavernous sinus. Yeah, yeah, it does that. The Johnson and Johnson vaccine. I'm like, what?

Just, oh, by the way, it can clot your cavernous sinus. So anyway, we don't think about the J&J as having uncontrolled amounts of spike being produced, but it's sufficient that it also had some very serious clotting phenomenon. So I wanted you to talk about the clotting thing. And one last thing, I don't think I've ever talked about this publicly. when I took the vaccine, I took the vaccine because I was going to Europe and I couldn't go to Europe without the vaccine, even though I'd had alpha or delta, whichever was. But I've had lots of vaccines. And when I took this vaccine, I got an extraordinary chill that went from the top of my head to my toes, like a full body.

And it wasn't like a rigor. It was like nothing I've really ever felt before, like a chilling wave that came over me. And at the time, I thought, how is it getting down to my? my toes. How they just put it in my arm? And it's a protein. How did this happen? I don't think she shot it into a vein or anything because it was too fast for that even. Anyway, you tell me what you're thinking is now about clotting and the spike protein these days. Yeah. Well, I'll share a personal story. When I got Delta myself, even the hair follicles in my toes hurt. So there was nothing natural about this infection. You know, my thoughts on the on the shots,

Again, most people know me for coining the term clot shot. And those adenovirus ones, the J&J and the AstraZeneca, we knew back in the late 80s, early 90s, with gene therapy, that adenovirus vector vaccines could induce an antibody called platelet factor number four. So the primary mechanism of those two shots is with an autoimmune antibody that would cause the platelets to clump. Now, with the synthetic RNA shots, what we're finding, and there's been some great work again around the world, you know, there's a lot of conjecturing about all sorts of things in the shots. But what we do know is the clots themselves are normal proteins, but in abnormal ratios. So you want your body to form a clot.

You know, you skin your knee, you don't want it to continue to bleed. It's got a clot. So we have factors that clot, and then we have other factors that come in and say, hey, okay, that's enough. Now we can start breaking down the clot and remodel and form a little scar or whatever. So we have, and I'm not going to give a whole medical lecture on all the different clotting factors, but there's ratios that are supposed to be present in a normal clot. So your fibrinogen chains, your alpha, your beta, your gamma, supposed to be one to one.

and then you have something called plasminogen that basically is the little thing that comes in, starts chewing the clot apart and dissolving it when it's ready to be dissolved. Basically, you know, pulling the Band-Aid off. But some great research, I think it's Dr. Bruce Rapley's polymer chemist has found that there are those factors there,

but they're in wrong ratios. And so there's an excess of beta-fiberinogen in these and a wrong ratio of gamma as well. So what does that mean? that means when they form they form all little coils and structures and then your neutrophils come in and throw a little net around things as well which a lot of this prevents that little molecule called plasminogen from coming in and breaking up that clot so now you have wrong proteins glum together basically with covalent bonds which is you know if you go back to your

high school chemistry, an ionic bond is weak, a covalent bond is super strong. So that's hard to break apart. So we've found that, you know, these clots are forming for a reason and the normal mechanisms that the body has to break them down aren't acting, well, it can't act because they're basically blocked from getting into that whole long chain that's gathered together. Unfortunately, I'm still hearing stories of individuals from my colleagues in clinic that are still forming long clots, still talk to some of the embalmers, and they're still finding them as well, unfortunately, and I wish I were wrong.

Let me ask you, though. I mean, I saw lots of, probably since we last talked, Homer Ambuli, right? These are in vivo clots, and they were not minor. These were like big events. And some people were coming in dead.

They just had the huge saddle block of some type. And so are these different things? And then what should we be doing? doing, so the A is the clots at autopsy different than what's happening actively in the lungs and in the pulmonary system. And then what should people be doing if they're worried that they're still producing spike protein? Yeah. And I know you've had plenty of other physicians on where some individuals are still making spike protein three and a half years after their shot. So there are some interesting studies showing the persistence of the ability of the body to keep producing this toxic protein.

And so, you know, a lot of people are still forming the clots. There is one lab test that can be done. Not everybody's forming these giant ones, thankfully, but there are microclots that form as well. And there's a simple fluorescent dye test, a thioflavin T test that can be done on a blood sample to see if you have microcloths. in the blood. Now, if you're forming them, obviously, that's a problem. It can mess up circulation, especially those micro ones in your small vessels and getting oxygen to your extremities and other tissues. Natokinase, obviously, has been a buzz in the news for a long time now, and there's some good studies on that, being what's called a fibrinolytic, so it will break down fibrin and clots.

You know, interestingly, there's an article that just came out recently. MIT's been working on breaking down basically abnormally folded proteins, prions, with just a 40-hertz pulse of light. And that's more in Alzheimer's-type studies. And that's a different topic altogether. There's nothing FDA-approved there. There are devices on the market that people can use. But that's, I think, that's a tangent.

But the cloths themselves, yeah, I mean, make sure. sure you know what your clotting status is. What I saw clinically, too, during the last five years, was individuals who already had known clotting disorders, whether it was factor 5 Liden or a factor eight problem, because some of these clots also have excess factor 8 in them. So, you know, knowing whether or not you have an underlying genetic clotting condition, that would have been important for everybody who was getting these shots. You know, it's interesting that my, The patients that I saw do most poorly with COVID had a lupus anticoagulant. Absolutely.

That was the group that really did poorly. Yeah, and some people actually formed some of those antibodies after the shots. Again, because these proteins were so disparate and Frankenstein-esque, some of them ended up showing up that hadn't had some of these factors before. Now, you mentioned synthetic orthodox. RNA, right? So there's there are things that still mystify me about the conversation around this vaccine. People want to say, it's just an RNA and it goes in. We have lots of RNA in our body, and RNA produces protein and it's a messenger, blah, la, la, la. But they altered this RNA, and I don't know what that means. I've never really seen that before, whether that's, if people want

to make the case that that's a completely benign adjustment in the structure of an RNA molecule, go okay, but I don't see people making that, really making that science, you know, biochemically. They're not sort of doing the work necessary to do that, at least that I've seen. Yeah. And so what they used instead of the standard uridine that we have in our normal RNA that we're making, you know, billions of copies of as we chat right now, to make bone, to make muscle, to make enzymes, to make all these little messages. And those messages do have kind of that mission impossible signal, although this message will self-destruct. in 15 minutes or an hour or whatever, the feedback loops of the body, say, okay, we've made enough of that fat protein, and then that mRNA degrades.

Well, this had something called N1 pseudomethaluridine. And not only did they replace a few of the uridines in this synthetic RNA, they replaced all of them. And, you know, part of the reason for that was to evade the immune response. And that way the spike protein could be made longer with the thought that that was, you know, what we needed to make antibodies to, et cetera. But, I mean, an early study out of Stanford by Dr. Roltkin at all showed that 30 days, 60 days later, it was still persisting in lymph nodes and a pretty good percentage of patients. And then many other studies, Brogna at all showed spike persisting six months later, et cetera, and the studies keep piling on.

So there were just so many studies. I'm still in a little bit of a conundrum about what that urosil. Yeah. Yeah, the reason. We don't know. We don't know. Yeah, I mean, and that's part of the reason Carico and Weissman were given the Nobel Prize was they're tinkering with that uridine molecule.

So they were tinkering with it so that the immune response wouldn't attack it and wouldn't break it down so quickly and easily. So it could persist long enough to get into cells and start making whatever protein was designated. So that was the reason they did it. Now, why they willy-nilly replaced every single one doesn't make any medical or scientific sense. The body makes some pseudo-uridine in little RNA loops every now and then, but it's a small percentage of RNA. So to replace something that appears less than 1% of the time to make it 100% of the time

makes no scientific sense whatsoever. But they did it, and a lot of people are still suffering the consequence, unfortunately. Well, let's talk, it's been the last few minutes talking about what we've done ethically. How do we understand what this was? I, my main focus is on the ethics of the mandates, which I agreed with Aaron Carriotti from the beginning, that you just didn't have the ethical, we didn't have the biological or ethical standing to make a mandate. She couldn't do it. Yet we did it.

As you look back on this whole crazy period, do you understand it any differently than the last time we spoke? It's evolving. It's evolving. We, you know, a lot of people have woken up. That's what's good. I think public health realizes it needs to reform its image. And then, you know, here in Idaho, where I live, we pass the Medical Freedom Act. And because of that, nobody can mandate anything.

And we tried to modify it and make it even stronger this year. But I think that's the lesson learned in retrospect. It's basically, hey, your decisions should be shared with your physician, and you should never be subject to anything experimental. You know, going back to the Nuremberg Code, the Geneva Convention, to the Helsinki Convention, all sorts of things that we can go back in history and look at and say, you know, yes, we collectively lost our minds,

but I'm hopeful that many states have introduced medical freedom acts similar to what we accomplished here in Idaho. I've been in Washington many times with many congressional and Senate members and had many meetings, and they say, keep doing what you're doing at the state levels to give us the courage in Washington to do what's right. So I'm optimistic that we've learned. Yeah, that's a big, I did not realize that that was on the march like that. That's very, that's very inspiring. it's a very positive sort of note to leave on. Other than going to X and finding you at Dr. Cole,

anywhere else you'd like people to look you up? Yeah, same spelling on substack at Dr. Cole, D.O.C-T-O-R, Cole on substack. And I'm also at the Independent Medical Alliance, and you can find me through at IMAhealth.org as well. It's been a very steep learning curve, has it not? It has. It has. Ordinary times.

You know, and thanks for your voice, for, you know, helping educate so many people and for giving platforming so many good voices so that we continue this good work and continue to advocate for medical freedom and all the good work so many people are doing. We're sure on the medical freedom of freedom front, but we were just trying to understand what the hell was going on. I'm just interviewing people that I thought I couldn't, they must have had something to say because people are getting very angry at them.

So I figured there was something going on. So thank you for being one of those people. So we'll talk again soon, I hope. Anytime, Dr. Drew. Thank you. I remember when he came on back in the day and I was like, oh my God, blood clots. That's terrible. And it's like,

oh, this poor guy had to tell us. Nobody was really listening. Everybody, we got kind of shut down. I think we might have been, got a strike. But it's, you got to really be, I don't want us running to one side of the boat than the other. What he's describing is a mechanism of action for our clotting system. You have to sort of understand the clotting cascade

and then how clots are dissolved in your body. He just went through a whole mechanism that has now been elucidated around why these things are happening. So the fact that we're finding them here in autopsy specimens that the ground glass appearance of the lungs of the acute illness, that I had patients with pulmonary ambulin, all started fitting together. It's all caused by the spike protein.

Which goes back to my original preoccupation. Well, then why are we insisting that our vaccine produced the spike protein? Why can't we go towards the nuclear capsid or something else? So things are moving forward. As he said, the medical freedom issues. I didn't realize Idaho's sort of anti-mandate mandate, mandate, anti-mandate mandate has taken hold the way it did. So that's really good news.

All right. Speaking of that, Aaron Siri, who's been leading the charge in so many of these things, I'll get his opinion about the Idaho situation. His book, of course, is Vaccines Amen. If you want to learn what he's been seeing on the stands, when he really puts people's hand to the fire. It's kind of extraordinary. He'll be with us right up to this.

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Civil rights, informed consent, high-stakes litigation, author of Vaccines Amen, which I am holding up here right next to my head. You can follow Aaron on X. Aaron is spelled A-A-A-R-O-N-S-I-S-I-S-I-R-I-S-G. Aaron, welcome back. Thank you for joining us.

Great to be here, Dr. Drew. So since we last spoke, you have traveled quite far, quite wide, with Ms. Megan Kelly and Joe Rogan. I feel not worthy now, but I'm glad they were, listening to you. Megan particularly, I think, got,

go ahead. I was on Joe Rogan, but not Megan Kelly. Oh, I heard her talking about you then. I heard her talking about your stuff. So, maybe she'll have you soon. So any event, bring us up to date if you can on sort of what this plan is over the ACIP and what the changes are with, before we get there. Just talk to Ryan Cole, and he reported to me that Idaho,

has no mandates, that the medical freedom movement has been on the march there. Are you aware of that? How did they get that done? Are other states doing anything similarly? Well, my understanding is that the Idaho legislature passed a bill, which would have banned discrimination in the state, period, on the basis of your immunization status, or, as I would say, the way God created you. Okay. So if you wanted to do that is. just, you know, exist as God created you. But the problem is the governor vetoed it. And I believe it's now cycling through again is my understanding of where that stands at the moment. But Idaho already has, you know, exemptions and so forth. So even though there are still mandates,

there are exemptions available in virtually every context. All right. So how do we have an ethical position to mandate vaccines that don't prevent transmission? Is that a viable position to require people? And then what I see is people using hand-waving arguments about herd immunity or something. But if something isn't actually preventing transmission, preventing infection perhaps or reducing the impact of infection, is there any ethical standing for requiring other people to get those vaccines? to protect me?

Not only is there no ethical argument, is the most incredible rights crushing overreach government that you could ever possibly imagine. Look, maybe you want folks to address heart disease. It's the number one killer of Americans today. Almost 900,000 Americans are dying. They're flooding our medical system. Remember that argument?

Flooding the medical system, right? And so does that mean the government can come in and mandate exercise? Mandate you eat well? mandate heart medicine, everybody would intuitively recognize it as being a complete overreach of government's rights crushing because that's your choice. The whole idea of freedom, the whole idea of individual rights is that you can take risks, right? That's the whole idea. And the greater risk always is ceding those rights to the government. We've learned that from the long arc of

history. So, no, there's no ethical argument for it. And in fact, it's the opposite. In my view, it's unethical, it's immoral, and it's a liberal. And then we have the issue of liability for drug companies, right? And injury compensation for those who are hurt. Is that moving in any direction? So, by the way, doesn't that add to your whole point of, is it ethical, right? So not only they want a mandate a vaccine that doesn't stop transmission, they say you have to get it.

And then if you're harmed, you came to see the company. So, you know, your audience knows already about the 1986 Act. compensation for you, nothing. Not that you get nothing for it. In fact, you get shame. We shame patients who say they've been vaccine injury. It's incredible. We see it all the time in our vaccine injury practice.

You go to your doctor and you say, look, my kid's not doing well after a car accident. My kid's not doing well after this, you know, chemical exposure. My kid's not doing well after a vaccine. You just get a nasty note in your file and send home. We see those nasty notes when they finally come to our firm to bring a claim for them. But yes, is there any potential to change that reality, it was your question. So the immunity given to vaccine manufacturers in 1986 under the National Child of Vaccinjury Act, that was an act by Congress.

So it's a federal law. That law would need to be repealed by Congress. There's currently over 1,000 pharma medical lobbyists, and there are, as far as I know, zero vaccine safety lobbyists. So they're probably going to win that. So that's probably going nowhere. There is a bill introduced every year with a few dozen sponsors in Congress to repeal the 1986 Act. Brown, Paul just introduced one, but it's not going to pass.

However, under the 1986 Act, a vaccine only is given immunity if it is routinely recommended by the CDC. Once it's routinely recommended, then it gets put on the vaccine injury table. And that is why they went bananas when. when Secretary Kennedy and the CD, you understand right. Now, once they made, they had B vaccine, they have a vaccine, and so forth, non-routine, all the Secretary of HHS had to do, Secretary Kennedy, was take it off the vaccine injury table and they would lose that immunity. And that is what, no doubt, drove them crazy and why they're fighting so hard to restore the schedule. Understood.

And, you know, for me, I'm, although that's a concern, I understand that. And I don't have a strong feeling about that, but I just, the mandates themselves are what I have the strongest concerns about. And the organizations that are the most egregious transgressors, in my humble opinion, or places like colleges and universities and maybe the military even who forced people or any employer that forced them. But I just particularly, the fact, you have young, healthy people and you're forcing them to get a vaccine that they don't need. Now we know at a risk of myocarditis, so zero benefit, only risk,

and they're protected by the PEP Act, is my understanding. How can we undo all? Well, in terms of the immunity given for COVID vaccines, which is different than 1986 Act community, you just said it, the PEP Act community, that Secretary Kennedy could repeal with a stroke of a pen, literally. And I have no doubt that left to his own devices, he would do it, but I have no doubt the White House will let him. Excuse me. Why? Why? Because I know they love warp speed. He loved that. But is it going to, be submerged to that history?

I mean, if, let's think about it this way. Somebody should go in there, Aaron, humbly, it's you. You should go in there and you go President Trump. This was an extraordinary feat of, of, here's how you do it. I, I, you go, you go, President Trump. This was an extraordinary feat of science. It really is remarkable what they were able to do in such a short period of time. With that history, that extraordinary effort was completely,

you've got to come up with a strong word. I want to say like bastardize or undone by the Biden administration forcing people to get these vaccines. That if you hadn't had that history, this would have been a glorious success. And people would have chosen to get the vaccine. And some people would have gotten injured. But it wouldn't be because they were not informed or that they were mandated to do so. They would have, because you feel very different. He went, yeah, I get the risk.

I get it. Oh, damn. I was one of the people that got hurt. As opposed to it's fine. It's safe. Take it. And if you don't take it, you can't get on the airplane. Well, you just told them, and we'll see if that persuades him.

I suspect that it. Play it back. Play it back from respect to all. Look, think about how incredible this is, okay? The first vaccine came out in December 2020. We are now, almost five years. It's been five years, and they have told us, it is safe. It is completely safe.

They've studied it every single which way. So if it's so safe, why do they aid the immunity? And even more incredibly, think about this. even if they lifted the prep back right now, it doesn't mean they can go backwards and everybody who was injured and sue. The prep back technically would probably still apply. So you're just talking about going forward.

Think about how incredibly, how unconfident, you have to be in this product to now, five years later, still not lift the immunity for the very few people that are taking in now. There must be some, serious cause for concern. So it mandates are a problem, but

disimmunity is an incredible problem because it disincentifies the company for making safe products. Let me put it this way. If Vioxx was a vaccine, it would still be on the market and it would still be considered safe and effective. And you would be an anti-science loon if you disagreed with that.

Potentially. Viox I have strong feelings about it because we were kind of aware of it was doing stuff, but it was such a good medicine that, again, might be worth the risk reward, but the problem was we weren't seeing all the data. That's the problem always. We have to make decisions that are tough all the time, risky decisions. But if people are diluting us or telling us there's no risk, we are so far in the wrong in terms of our practice of medicine, as opposed to

being able to communicate to the patient exactly what the risks are and why we're recommending it. and together deciding whether or not we want that individual to take that risk. That's what medicine is. And we've so centralized it and taken away from doctors and then the public health thing on top. What are we going to do to take the teeth out of public health? That's the thing. That's why the Idaho thing caught my attention. It felt like it was pulling some of that down,

the extraordinary ability to essentially tear up the bill of rights. Take the teeth out of public health? I don't want to take the teeth out of public health. Look, if you go back over the last hundred and twenty-six years, right, since the 1900s, we have seen an incredible decline in mortality. And a lot of that, you could ascribe actually to public health, better cleaning water, better sanitation, better living conditions. A lot of these things, better medical care, right?

A lot of these things can be ascribed to public health endeavors, right? The problem is that when public health goes over that line from being about medicine and public health and gets into politics and gets into law and gets into taking away people's civil and individual rights with mandates, if they would just stay, go all the way up to encouraging you, encourage you, try to persuade you and stop, they can maintain their legitimacy. But they don't realize by taking that extra step and crushing the rights of the few people that are often don't want to take this product. Because remember, those who are going to take it,

they don't need the mandate. So who are you mandating it? You're often mandating the very folks who have a real reason to not want it or not need it. Right. Or are properly informed and decide they don't want it. But to be clear, I do want to get government, I do want to get government out of medicine.

I think that there's a lot of too much entanglement. Oh, my goodness. Well, just generally the, oh, hang out a second. Caleb, we don't ask that question. You're jumping in here. By the way, if anybody has a question, it's fair in Syria, I'm surprised people don't want to go.

There are people calling. So we'll get to Barbara just a second. But Caleb, you want to ask your question? No, I wanted to discuss also the charter, like the article from the New York Times that was about the new charter that you were proposing for ACIP and to remove these

vaccine mandates, basically at a federal level is how I read it. If you could explain what's going on with that, because that looked very promising. Sure. So the advisor committee on immunization practices ASIP, that's the vaccine committee and the CDC that effectively creates the CDC vaccine schedule. After Secretary Kennedy came into office, he put and created a balanced committee, in my view, with folks who are vaccine zealots like Meisner to folks who are, which and as they should be, actually want to be critical and evaluate. and be skeptical about these products because it's the last line of defense before they were unleashed on millions of kids. So you want a very skeptical ASEP committee. That should be their role.

In any event, a federal judge struck down the committee and said that it didn't comply with various federal laws. And so to undo what the federal judge did, Secretary Kennedy revised the charter of ASEP and has now accepted. expanded who can be on it to and then this way will avoid the issues raised in this federal lawsuit brought by the American Academy of Pediatrics that resulted in essentially eliminating the current committee. So that new charter for ASIP was just adopted. And I assume that Secretary Kennedy and the White House are in the process of selecting new members of ASIP are reconstituting it. Could any of the members who were there previously, can they be brought back any of those people? Or are they all just?

I don't see why not. They could probably bring them all back as far as I. I don't see why they couldn't. Where are you getting the most traction? Where are you finding, you know, your feel like there's movement? I'd say the area that has the most movement is cultural cognition around these issues. People are beginning to start becoming curious and interested and starting to actually read about them and start thinking about these products versus believing them in them.

And I think that ironically, what's that? Removing out of the realm of faith into the realm of at least cognition, if not science. Thinking about it before you just instead of just believing it. And I think that's critically important. When you think about changes in the legislature or changes that happen in the courthouses, where the public's views on something go is where the law. often go in the courts and in the legislature. Gay marriage was not going to be found by the Constitution right by the Supreme Court in the 1800s or early 1900s so forth. What change?

The Constitution change? No. It was the cultural cognition around the issue. And so I think that's where you're getting a lot of the traction. I mean, some of the changes that are occurring at HHS are great. The government moves very slowly. And obviously those changes can be reversed by a federal judges we just saw or by a next administration. So what's the residual? The residual are the folks who have started thinking about these products, not just believing them, so we can have rational, logical policies about them. Yeah.

I like the cultural cognition. It's what Abraham Lincoln used to call the public mind. Yeah, this concept of the public mind. We call it public opinion, but I like cultural cognition even better. Barbara, you're on with Aaron Siri. One thing, I enjoy your podcast. Oh, wait, wait, oh, wait. You're on.

Yes, you're on with us. Yes, go right ahead. Can we lose you? Oh, hold on, hold on. Oh, we, she dropped off. I think she got so excited to talk to you. She's dropped off. She got too excited.

I think it might have been you, Aaron. I don't know about me. I don't know. You said you. But we appreciate you, Barbara, and there's somebody else getting screened right now from Hartford, John, if you want to get in here. I'm asking, you know, I have a certain preoccupation.

The mandate is one of them and the institutions that mandated these things. But the other thing is why, if we're going to have a vaccine and you wanted to be an MRNA vaccine, why do we have to be wedded to this pathogenic protein? Why can't they go reformulated for the nucleo-capsid or something else? There may be a reason. I don't know. Maybe it's not as immunogenic or something. But it seems like, well, you're asking for trouble.

If you get the protein that we know causes all the trouble and you're going to have a mechanism that produces it in an unrestricted fashion, potentially, man, you're asking for difficult consequences. If I took a stab out of that, out of the, out of the blue, I would say this, that when you're, you know, get into the belly of a big corporation like a big pharma company, right? How do they make decisions? They make decisions on what's going to increase the bottom line because you own stock, Dr. Drew, everybody you're listening to this show, probably on stock. And where do you want your stock to go?

You want it to go up. So if you want your stock to go up, so do the shareholders of the company, so do the employees of us. And so when they sit there and they're designing the vaccine, they're designing the clinical trial they're going to engage in, they want a product that's going to get to market as quickly as possible. And if this design and the clinical trial was most likely to... Originally, yes, absolutely, originally.

but I guess they have no motivation to change it to the core nuclear capsid now because people are they've got their safe and effective army out there that doesn't want to change it. Barbara, you're still there. Barbara, you're back, that is. You want to talk to Erin Siri about college age kids? Go ahead. Yes, yes, please. So my daughter, a healthy daughter, was forced to get two doses of the Pfizer to attend

her university. And right now, thank the Lord. is healthy, but my deep concern is prior to receiving the vaccination, and I only know this now in retrospect, I am positive. She had just had had COVID. So she had COVID in July. She was forced to be vaccinated in August to attend school. So really from a medical perspective, should I have any long-term concerns with vaccinating a healthy child who had just recovered from COVID? is she at risk long term for fertility issues or any other medical issues? Yeah.

Thank the Lord right now. I'm going to put you back on hold. Barbara, you're asking a question that we're going to struggle with, but it may not have a definitive answer. So I'm put you on hold. We're going to struggle with it for a second. Go ahead, Aaron, you first. Oh, well, I mean, obviously, I mean, you know this.

To assess any specific individual, you need to know all the facts and circumstances. for that specific child. You'd want to see testing. She's asking kind of a global question. She's asking, so let me frame the question as I understand her. I had COVID. I'm immune, at least for a short period of time, perhaps. And then the school mandated a vaccine on top of that.

We used to worry that that was going to cause problems. I've not seen problems from that phenomenon of, you know, vaccinating after natural immunity. Who knows what that could do, but it did not seem to be, I'm not seeing lots of cases where vaccine injury is necessarily enhanced by that story, that history. Okay, either the vaccine or the COVID could have some long-term consequences, could have some fertility issues associated with it, one more than the other, or maybe just one or the other. But we haven't done the studies to be able to answer her question meaningfully, because there's

constant fear that we're going to uncover something terrible about the vaccine, it seems to me. That's why it seems to me we don't do these studies. Well, I mean, without speaking to any specific individual case, there are some data we can look at, if we're going to look at data. For example, the V-Safe data. V-safe is the, it's called, it was the safety system that the CDC rolled out along with the rollout of the COVID vaccine in December 2020. 10 million Americans signed up to V-Safe, and they were given a form to fill out every day. for seven days after they got the shot,

then every week for six weeks, and then three more times after that. The CDC collected data from these 10 million Americans and then went and published like 40 studies saying COVID vaccines are safe. But in those studies, they primarily relied on V-Safe, but they only disclosed the what folks reported for the first week after getting the vaccine,

not for the first six weeks, just the first week. And they only gave the check-the-box data. So we actually, on behalf of I-Canney, the Form C-SEN action, we sued the CDC. And after two years, we finally got all of the underlying check the box data and the forms, the free text field data. And when you got that free text field data, there was like, you know, out of the six million entries that we got, most people are not filling out the free text field. And a lot of those were turned into Medro codes.

And in any event, long story short, there were over 50,000 reports, 50,000 instances of people taking the time to write in some type of serious, often menstrual or related issues. And so, you know, you know, having ovarian failure, having menopause early, having all kinds of bleeding issues. And so they're not taking, they're not writing that in because, you know, for willy-nilly. And these 10 million people who signed up for VSA. They were mostly signed up in the first few months up to the rollout. These are the vaccine enthusiasts. These are the last people that probably were going to complain about issues from the vaccine.

Can we mention also as a mother? Dr. Cole mentioned natokinus earlier. And I'm not trying to peddle supplements. But there is something called Spike Support that TWC has to offer that Dr. McCullough, you know, is behind. And when my daughter went out and got a vaccine unbeknownst to me about a month or two ago, I said, listen, just take the spike support every morning on an empty stomach and, you know, just take the whole bottle. And that according to... One of the time. Two twice a day is really weird. Yeah, but the point is, there is help out there if you're concerned

and you can find it at Dr.DU.com slash D.BC. That is something you can talk to your doctor. whether, again, whether it's from the vaccine or from the boat, again, it could be either or both. In either case, what you want to do is protect yourself from that spike protein. Find it at the wellness company. That's what makes sense to me. It's a big support system. Erin, it is always inspiring and good to talk to you.

I am so happy when you stop by. Thank you for being here. How was it after you spoke to Rogan? Did you get inundated? Yeah, it was quite a jump in terms of everything. Yes. The funniest part is folks. It's the one thing right now.

Go ahead, the funny part? No, no, please. It was the one thing that what? I would say it's the one thing that still exists in media that used to be like if you were in the Johnny Carson show and Johnny asked you up to the couch, Rogan has become like that now where your life changes because you went on the show. Yeah, it's incredible, actually, the reach and the number of folks who watch it because the guy came to fix my air condition.

He's like, I just watched you. And then the guy, it was like, and then the guy came to fix my path lighting. He's like, I just saw you. I mean, you know, so it is amazing, actually. And then, of course, you get the folks who haven't talked to in 30 years and everybody wants to reach out. So it's, it was interesting. It was interesting.

And, but the good thing about it substantively, it was an opportunity to be able to actually talk about the core issues around, around mandates and the immediate. community and so forth. And a platform that, you know, I could never have imagined being able to share that message seven years ago on a platform that reached that many people. So in that regard, it was a great opportunity. It's great. And Joe's so smart and curious. I'm sure he just enhanced the whole delivery for you. He's a vacuum cleaner. He absorbs what you're telling him. Yeah, it was fun, too. So, well, there's the book.

Is there anything else coming out? Do you got new books or anything in the works? Oh, no, one's enough. Okay. And where do you want people to go to find you? The book, I, you can go to Aaron Seer official.com, and actually that's where you can find everything. I typically, you know, would post on Twitter and I've also got a substack. And, you know, and I do encourage.

encourage everybody to learn about these products. People say all the time, I'm so busy. I'm not going to research every product out there. I can't research in depth. The car I'm going to buy or the stroller I'm going to buy. And I say to them, look, for the most part, you know, the market with a lot of wrinkles will correct for issues with those products over time. They'll get sued because the airbag's not as safe. They'll get sued because the roller cage isn't good. The stroller caused the problem. So almost every product you encounter, it will improve over time. just because of those economic forces, with one exception,

vaccines. So unfortunately, it is the one product. You do have to do your own homework. And so even if you're really busy, I encourage you to do it. Obviously, I'm biased. I like my book. But you can also get free resources at I Can't Decide that. Or in the Get Informed

section. The back, this book, the reason I like it, you, the very first time I met you, you went, you don't know how different these guys are when you put them on the stand under oath. What they have to say is different when their hands are held to the fire.

And you're chronicling that in this book. So that's what I love about it. So to me, that was, again, some scales fell from my eyes like, oh, they talk with great confidence, but they're not as certain as I had thought. And you get to see all that in real time. Yeah, it's very different when, you know, it's a talking head on TV saying public health statements versus when they're sitting in a deposition under oath and they have the evidence put right in front of them, the actual primary source evidence. And you're like, okay, this clinical

trial for hepatitis B vaccine, how long was safety monitored after injection? And here's the FDA doctor right in front of them. What are they going to say other than, yep, it was five days? Because they have to. They're forced to admit the truth. There was no placebo, was there? No. because in that context, say it. On TV, they'll say, oh, you know, it's thoroughly, don't even really, they'll say all kinds of random stuff. Bottom line is, there's what public health authorities tell you, and then there's what the evidence actually shows. And that is basically why I ended up writing the book after doing this for 10 years. I didn't go into it thinking there was that divide. But, you know, after hundreds of lawsuits and endless depositions, that chasm has gotten wider and water.

It's still shocking to me. I think people will agree when they actually look at it themselves. Yeah, I agree with you. And I told you, I was involved in some hepatitis B research back in the day, and we never imagined this for one-day-old children unless you had somebody with documented chronic hepatitis B with high levels of circulating antigen. I mean, it's like, it's insane to me that every child got that vaccine. That was, I managed to go a whole hour talking about vaccines without bringing

that up. But that's another one of my preoccupations. Like, this is, this is nuts. They can get that anytime, not day one. I mean, my God, get it when you're a health care worker and you're 27. That's fine. Why day one's crazy? Okay, anyway, enough. So, Aaron, we appreciate you being here. I'm going to let you go. And I hope you come back soon when they're updates. I'm happy to any time. Thank you for having me. All right, you got it. Aaron's here, everybody. Appreciate it very much. We're taking a little break and we get up. get back. We're going to talk to someone who goes up and literally pounced on the doors of the various representatives in Sacramento and hopefully other states as well. Darlene Alkeza joins us after this.

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All right. So were you up in Sacramento today? I'm still in Sacramento now. Yes, we had our hearing at 1.30 today. Yes. How did it go? And tell us about what you're hoping they'll take into consideration. Sure, sure.

So in California, there was a bill that was introduced. It actually was a bill that was gutted and amended. SB 1377 is a medical exemption bill that in print, before they, hearing was going to take the medical exemption process and repeal a previous bill SB 276, which had made it so that instead of a licensed physician writing an exemption for a school-age child or a child in preschool or daycare and giving that exemption to the school, the previous bill made it so that you had to go through the Department of Public Health. So the doctor would request a medical exemption from the Department of Public Health.

They would review it and either deny it or approve it. What we found with the previous law was that most doctors stopped writing exemptions. And most networks also created blanket policies that they do not do medical exemptions. And for a couple of reasons. One is because the way that the previous law was written or the current law, is written is if a doctor writes five exemptions, they get flagged for review. And that if they found anything,

you could have your license removed, you could be reprimanded. And most doctors don't want that. So they just say, you know, I'm just not going to do that. Because if I have a thousand patients and I give one to one, I'm going to get in a hard position

if I start giving them out. So this bill is actually great. Listen, they were just doing it at all. You came under scrutiny. You know, just getting, just peeking. Yeah, it was ridiculous in the heat of battle back in the day. So this one is now going to be a more accessible exemption policy. Yes, so the bill was aiming to repeal the part where the doctors had to go through the Department of Health.

It would give the rights back to the doctor so that they can treat their patient. They could assess their family history, their personal medical history, and determine, you know, this child needs it. Let me give that exemption to the school. How'd it go? The hearing. Well, this is California. Luckily, you know, there was a great announcement today, which is really supportive for the bill, is that it took on two Democrat co-authors.

And in California, we have a super majority of Democrats. And so that's a really big deal. The bill was authored by Senate Minority Leader Brian Jones, and that was already a big deal. For him to take on Senator Dave Cortezi and Senator Ben Al-Wall. is phenomenal for our movement. This is absolutely a big win. I want to backtrack a little bit. Our organization, we met with each of these senators

at different times lobbying them on the issue and making them aware of the concerns that families have and that doctors have. As for myself, I have a personal story. I have a child who got very sick when she was young, needed medical exemptions. She was first getting annual renewals of her medical exemption, but she was finally granted a permanent exemption.

So then she got to sixth grade and the nurse said, you know, you need to go back because you hit the grades band checkpoint. You have to go through the care system now. And then when I called the doctor's office, it was exactly that. I'm sorry we don't do medical exemptions. And so now I have to homeschool my child. And so, you know, this bill is a big deal because it's not only going to help a family like mine, but other families in the state who have similar problems. Although maybe you dodged a bullet homeschooling your child, I must say. It may not for the right reasons,

but the net effect, not so bad. Well, do you have other legislatures, do you work for other states besides California or just California? For our organization informed policy advocates, at this current time, we are just focused on California. But the thing that makes it so important

is what happens in California, so goes the rest of the country. I mean, California lays the groundwork for what policy framework should be in other states. And so really being able to stand up for California here is going to trickle down to the other states. Are you working on other medical sort of, I don't want to call it, how to describe it, topics like homelessness, things like that.

Are we making any headway there? You know, it's so funny because actually they did try to do an audit on the homelessness crisis. here in California. And they did get the audit and they found that the money wasn't being spent. But, I mean, the next step for that, are they doing anything about it? So, yeah. I think one of the things that I do. Until they, and still they start treating the mental illness that ends people on the street or allowing for a, you really need to go back to the LPS stuff. Lanterman or Petra's, wait, Lanchorman himself went to his grave believing the whole thing was a terrible, terrible mistake. and it needs to be opened back up again. The gravely disabled needs to be reestablished,

and we can help people again. You can't help people when they're delirious. I think to your point, you know, lobbying in Sacramento, I'm from Orange County, so Southern California, I usually have to fly in, I do a turnaround trip. And it used to be I can, you know, walk to the Capitol, and I'm okay walking by myself. These days, I've literally have had,

people that you could tell her on drugs, and I'm walking by myself. I've crossed somebody who had their pants down. I had to run across the street because you could tell, you know, they're not sane and they're not coherent. So absolutely, you're right. I went up there and gave a talk. They have this, they have this sort of, I have some sort of fundraiser, but they all, the representatives show up.

And I accused them all of being murderers, that I'm tired of it. I'm tired of this negligent manslaughter. I'm sick of it. And Sacramento is a very specific syndrome. where it's not just there's in the park there by the capital area, there's a lot of alcoholics, but down by the river, there's meth gangs and each of them has a pit bull you'll see. And that's methamphetamine, man. That is full on meth.

And that makes people very, very dangerous. So what do they think they're looking at these representatives? What do they imagine they're doing? Exactly, exactly. So the bill that I was here for today, SB 1377, looking at the vaccine mandate policies and wanting to fix it, I think is really pivotal. I think 10 years ago, they took away non-medical exemptions here in California. Five years ago, they made getting a medical exemption practically impossible. And what we're trying to do now is fix the parts of the law that are causing problems for families and doctors.

And so this year in January, we actually had the co-author of the original bill, Senator Ben Allen, agree, you know what? Some of the concerns that I had thought would come about are actually come to fruition and it's happening now. I'm seeing it. So he wrote a letter to the California Department of Public Health expressing his concerns, asking for questions to be answered. And even to this point three months later, they haven't answered any of their questions. The bill that was introduced today is the second big step, and hopefully it can set a foundation for change. That's really what we want. We want to improve the systems and make sure that families are accommodated if their child is vulnerable.

And we want to make sure that doctors can practice without being discriminated against, without having their hands tied because the network that they're working for is creating these blanket policies. And we want to be able to have true medical freedom here in California. Yeah, and the rest of the country. Well, your mouth to your mouth to God's ears. Darling, thank you for your work. And where should people go if they want to be a part of your solutions? Sure. If you could visit us at inform policy advocates.org, we do have a call to action and you can follow us there.

We send out newsletters with updates. You could also follow us on Instagram, Inform Policy Advocates or X's IP Advocates. Great. Charlene, thanks for being here. Thank you so much. You got it. All right. I flew in this morning, so I am exhausted.

I flew all the way across the country and had no internet the whole way. The Wi-Fi was out. That airline is going to hear from me. It feels scary up there with no ability to communicate, which is weird. We missed you. I remember when I first was able to communicate from 30,000 feet. And I thought, this is amazing. Now I'm like, I'm indignant if I can't.

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