Ask Dr. Drew - Violent Mobs “Activated” To Create Chaos (Just In Time For Elections) w/ Intelligence Analyst Brian O’Shea & White Coat Waste Project – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 285

Episode Date: November 15, 2023

Is it a coincidence that violent mobs tend to rise up just in time for elections – or are they being “activated” for an organized purpose? Intelligence analyst Brian O’Shea says it’s anything but spontaneous or organic. Also joining the show: Justin Goodman from the White Coat Waste Project, which uncovered horrifying details about the Biden administration’s pick to lead the NIH. Brian O’Shea is an Intelligence Analyst, Private Investigator, and Chief Operating Officer at Centurion Intelligence Partners. After serving in the military for 11 years of active-duty service, Brian worked as a Senior Consultant and Subject Matter Expert for two of the US Government’s top intelligence agencies. Find him online at https://centurionintelligence.com/ and https://twitter.com/BrianOSheaSPI   Justin Goodman is the Senior Vice President of Advocacy and Public Policy for the White Coat Waste Project, which is a taxpayer watchdog group representing more than 2 million liberty-lovers and animal-lovers who all agree: taxpayers shouldn’t be forced to pay over $20 billion every year for wasteful and cruel experiments on dogs, cats, monkeys and other animals. Learn more at https://www.whitecoatwaste.org/ 「 SPONSORED BY 」 Find out more about the companies that make this show possible and get special discounts on amazing products at https://drdrew.com/sponsors • GENUCEL - Using a proprietary base formulated by a pharmacist, Genucel has created skincare that can dramatically improve the appearance of facial redness and under-eye puffiness. Genucel uses clinical levels of botanical extracts in their cruelty-free, natural, made-in-the-USA line of products. Get an extra discount with promo code DREW at https://genucel.com/drew • COZY EARTH - Trying to think of the right present for someone special? Susan and Drew love Cozy Earth's sheets & clothing made with super-soft viscose from bamboo! Use code DREW to save up to 40% at https://drdrew.com/cozy • PRIMAL LIFE - Dr. Drew recommends Primal Life's 100% natural dental products to improve your mouth. Get a sparkling smile by using natural teeth whitener without harsh chemicals. For a limited time, get 60% off at https://drdrew.com/primal • THE WELLNESS COMPANY - Counteract harmful spike proteins with TWC's Signature Series Spike Support Formula containing nattokinase and selenium. Learn more about TWC's supplements at https://twc.health/drew • PALEOVALLEY - "Paleovalley has a wide variety of extraordinary products that are both healthful and delicious,” says Dr. Drew. "I am a huge fan of this brand and know you'll love it too!” Get a discount on your first order at https://drdrew.com/paleovalley 「 MEDICAL NOTE 」 The CDC states that COVID-19 vaccines are safe, effective, and reduce your risk of severe illness. You should always consult your personal physician before making any decisions about your health.  「 ABOUT THE SHOW 」 Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Kaleb Nation (https://kalebnation.com) and Susan Pinsky (https://twitter.com/firstladyoflove). This show is for entertainment and/or informational purposes only, and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. 「 ABOUT DR. DREW 」 Dr. Drew is a board-certified physician with over 35 years of national radio, NYT bestselling books, and countless TV shows bearing his name. He's known for Celebrity Rehab (VH1), Teen Mom OG (MTV), Dr. Drew After Dark (YMH), The Masked Singer (FOX), multiple hit podcasts, and the iconic Loveline radio show. Dr. Drew Pinsky received his undergraduate degree from Amherst College and his M.D. from the University of Southern California, School of Medicine. Read more at https://drdrew.com/about Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

And here we go, everybody. Thank you for being here. Brian O'Shea is our guest today. He's an intelligence analyst, private investigator, COO of Centurion Intelligence Partners. We're going to talk to him a little bit about various topics. We need to catch up with him once in a while. We're also going to welcome Justin Goodman in after a little bit to talk. He has a social group called white coat

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Welcome back, everybody. As I said, Brian O'Shea in here in just a moment. We're going to talk a little bit about violent mobs and how they get activated. He's got some thoughts about that. As I said, Brian, of course, is an intelligence analyst. And then we're going to talk to from White Coat Waste Project. Let me get our guest's name. Give me a second here.

As I said, I'm a little bit addled because of the circumstance of today. I was a few, well, I wasn't even late. Just the weather here is terrible. And I had to rush across town to get to the studio and I was over at your mom's house. Justin Goodman is our guest and we're going to talk a little bit about National Institute of Health and the leadership there, as well as some of his concerns about, as usual, the coziness between regulators and the pharmaceutical industry.

So let's bring in our friend, Brian O'Shea. Welcome, Brian. Hi, thanks for having me. Good to see you again. Good to see you too. So, you know, when I was in college, we were raising a big stink about the fact that the college was invested in South Africa during the times of apartheid. And we actually took over our administration building and it became like a few seconds

of national news. But I bring it up for this reason. I went to the, whatever it was, rally, you know, to see what was going on. And I was blown away that at this rally that had started maybe six hours before, it's had some news and press associated with it 1978 or something and there were communist organizations socialist organizations marxist organizations adults there like we were college kids but there were all these adults passing out flyers and pamphlets and there were hundreds of people there that were not associated with the college or even with this particular concern we had with apartheid.

How did they find out about it even? So where does this happen that mobs get activated? What is the, what is the, and these days, of course, with social media, the distribution, information distribution must be that much more efficient. How does this happen? Well, that's a great question. I can't really speak for your rally, but of late, we've seen some, I would imagine it was through your chambers of commerce and local unions probably helped get that organized. Very, very, actually, the way you describe it reminds me. Wait, it was just students spontaneously complaining about the college being invested in South Africa.

It was just divest South Africa because we're objecting to apartheid. It was an unplanned, spontaneous event. And suddenly a bunch of communist information distributors showed up. I'll never forget it. I was like, where did these guys come from? They were not from New England. We were in New England at the time. Well, I'm from New England and that blows my mind to know that there were, yes, definitely. So back then, I'm not really sure what the network was.

In today's world, it's a lot easier. And so we all probably saw how quickly these ceasefire Gaza, free Palestine just popped up. But if you really look at the pattern of the pre-made signs, the pre-made t-shirts, that's what blows a lot of people away. How do they do that? Well, in the course of researching the Ruth Sent Us SCOTUS 6 protest when Roe v. Wade was kicked down to the States about a year ago, I discovered several of these networks. They're like organization platforms. And the two that come to mind were actionnetwork.org and opencollective.com.

So essentially what happens is for $10 a month up to $100 a month, you can get a membership. You can load up a whole bunch of contacts. You can load up your patterns for t-shirts, your prototypes. And then you can actually organize from anywhere in the world a protest however you want it, including linking in with Uber rides and making sure your designs get to the local print shop so people could pick up their signs and their t-shirts and their banners. And you can even door dash your protesters from the same platform.

What, I'm a little confused. I mean, is this just a sort of a platform or is it a motivated organization that has a point of view? It's definitely a motivated organization that has a point of view. So, and speaking for Action Network, because when I filled out an application for a protest, I don't have, I just wanted to see how it worked. One of the questions on the application is, are you a progressive organization? And that really struck me. How do people find out about this, do you think? You know's that's a really that's a really good question that one i don't know um they don't really do a lot of advertising they're easy to find but you will find the way i found them was i just followed the donation links and those will lead you to things like action network like open collective when you get an email back from these because a lot of

the fundraising is done through there. And you can have multiple actions just as one person. You could be running 10 protests on different topics simultaneously, and all that money comes right into you, right into your organization, because they also act as a fiscal sponsor if you're not an actual nonprofit. And where did this start? Where did they come from? What is their origin story?

Well, the origin story for Action Network, it looks like it is backed by the, it's a nonprofit that's based in Washington, D.C. on L Street. It's been around probably for just under 10 years. And I think it looks like it did start as a legitimate, we just want to help people get organized type tool. And I'm not saying that that's not still their intent. What I will say, though, is they have, they're making a lot of money on these type of protests, and so are the vendors that they're partnered with. So it, you know, in their 990, which is still online, they do state that, you know, a progressive organization that helps, you know helps different causes or something like that,

enhance their ability to let their voices be heard. As far as how they started, they seem like they started the same way a lot of the tech companies started. How can we take an existing thing and optimize it and amplify it and make money off of it? So without the protests, they wouldn't be making any money. So their lifeblood, if you will, is you have to have conflict in this type of industry to make any money.

Is it, strictly speaking, a money-making operation, or is there a philosophical, obviously there's an orientation, but was it a political organization to begin with? And now, like many organizations, just starts focusing on making money also. Well, it was a nonprofit. So, yeah, I mean, it was, you know, in D.C. So, yes, it was for, you know, all intents and purposes, a political action type organization. But I, I think, um, look, I'm, I'm skeptical. I'm from the intelligence world. I'm also in a white collar crime investigator. I've never seen anything grow so big that was not done for money. And if they were just for money, I mean, if they were just for a

cause, I don't think they would be charging. Kind of like an in-app purchase type model where it's constantly escalating. If you want this thing, you pay a little more, you pay a little more. And it's a volume business. The more protests, the more they make. So is this surprising to you? I mean, to me, it's like sort of stunning or is there a long history of this kind of thing is they've had other maybe they haven't had this form but there's been other i mean like i described back in new england in 1978 there were there other you know before it was people on the phones or something is this is this kind of thing always going on not to my i mean not beyond the last 10 years was it surprising to me yes when i when i first discovered it um investigating the

ruth sent us rallies for lack of a better term um yeah i was a little blown away but what really What really blew me away was the fact that anyone, anyone can set up a protest anywhere in the world for $10 to $100 a month, including pushing out the media, pushing out the social media. story with Jim Hoff at Gateway Pundit, I also had let him know that you also get a whole database of media contacts at a certain level. And that would explain how the coverage is also synced. But for that one, what really blew me away was there were only three people that I could find that were at the core of all of those Roe v. Wade-related protests. Three people. And running it from three different states. Are these people active in other areas as well? Oh, yes.

One of them, and this was widely reported as four people, one of them turns out to be a fake person whose face is actually some English heartthrob daytime television guy. So, yeah. Well, so one of the people in those protests, one of those organizers, a very wealthy tech, you know, former tech executive. And she seems to be at the core of it. She also created this fictitious person named Sam Spiegel. And the other one, there was another organizer named Snowden Bishop. She's very active. She is on spaces all the time. We actually follow each other for some reason. And the last time I saw her space,

they were talking about Ukraine and why it's important that we maintain our presence there. And so I haven't really looked that deeply beyond that case. That was a contracted case. But I do want to drill back into it and see what they're all up to now to see if it follows a certain pattern. But what I did notice is they never did take down any of their collection platforms on Open Collective.

And it's called Collectives on Action Network. It's called Actions. I'm surprised the press isn't digging into this. I mean, isn't this sort of a prime story, so to speak, of intrigue? And wouldn't it be interesting for any sort of even marginally investigative reporter to dig into this a little bit and tell a story? I mean, what is going on here? I feel like this conversation is breaking news, you know uh and yet you wrote the story

elsewhere and still no one seems terribly there's no momentum around it that's for sure i mean we how much time do you have i mean we we've seen the press's coverage on stuff that would have been page one above the seam six years ago, or if it was Donald Trump. I think because all of these organizations all kind of connect to each other. I mean, there's a list of media contacts in both of these platforms that are all legacy media. So I think for whatever reason, they're not covering it, but whatever's going on in journalism right now, that's a whole other story that goes deep. I want to make sure I hear you. Are you saying that they are part of the organizations and that's why they're not covering it? No, they're not part of the organizations, but their politics, they are biased. You know, most of the legumes back, all of the legacy media seems to be biased and whoever is sponsoring them, whoever is buying the ads on say, you

know, the larger legacy media sites, I can imagine that they are saying, you're going to cover this this certain way, such as, and just so you know, I mean, on Action Network, BLM is one of their featured clients. Well, I was going to say, it seems like this sort of thing that helped, that if BLM wasn't part of this, they did something similar, right, when they developed? No, they actually used Action Network to get that organized. Right. And my question when BLM happened

was how'd they get so organized? I mean, it's a command and control dream. If I was back when I was in the military, if we could get things organized that quickly, that would have been great. So why doesn't the right or the center, the independents, do something similar? That is a great question. That's what I've been, or even use the existing one.

I mean, I hate to feed any money into something like that, but I always say, use the enemy's sword if they drop it. And it is available to anyone. And I don't think they care, really. You could just check it. Yeah, I'm progressive. I mean, what's that mean? It's up to you.

Yeah, I was saying this myself, the right or conservatives really need something like this. Otherwise, they're never going to catch up at a minimum just to counter protest has anybody brought i mean you know your wife has a bit of a reach naomi's is she uh taking it to anybody showing it to anybody getting any traction interest from anybody? I can't really speak to that because she's actually so involved with, as you saw in your opener, that she's so involved with the Pfizer documents. She actually has a similar capability on dailycloud.io called communities. But this is a,

you know, that's a, that's a donor based operation versus this very, very corporate based operation. I know Jim Hoff to the gateway pundit has put it out in the post millennial also covered it as well, but I don't think anyone's talked about except for myself on Jim Hoff's interview,

using it, you know, using, using it the same way they are using it the same way they are, using it the same way to raise money, to organize people, to make sure people vote. Right. It's all kind of weird and confusing to me that they have to be aware of it.

I mean, who knows? All right. The origin story of this thing, again, it feels like something that Soros would be involved with. It'd be odd if he missed this opportunity, let's put it that way. Are his hands on this? Yeah, there is a connection to the Tides Foundation, which does have ties to, I believe,

either Arabella or Open Society, which are both Soros-backed organizations. And then even ARC is involved there too. I mean, Soros is kind of like Bill Gates. I mean, we could play the drinking game of Six Degrees to Soros and we'll find it there. But yeah, he's definitely linked to this. And I think on a kind of a darker tone here, what scares me about this is chaos in our cities is a very effective tool in war. So if you are going to do something to an enemy or that's what you're going to

do, you know, a fifth column of chaos, if you will, you can sit there in your cubicle in whatever enemy cubicle farm there is attack in the U S and just click a few buttons from your credit card and you can start protests all over the world if you want to simultaneously. Again, I don't understand why other people aren't doing something in the other direction.

It's, I don't know, maybe there's opportunity there. What's that, Susan? What do you mean? Can you hear Susan when she talks? Are you saying the media? No, I'm asking why people with alternative points of view aren't fighting back in a similar way and why things that Naomi and I have been talking about for a long time in terms of certain around vaccines and around overreach of government and public health, people haven't organized technique to organize why rfk jr doesn't use it

they do use it you know there is a there is a mentality that i came across um years ago i was at the capitol hill club the conservative one so there's there's the left and the right Capitol Hill Clubs. I happened to be at the Capitol Hill Club with a member of European Parliament named Daniel Hannon. And we were talking about this very thing because Obama had raised a ton of money through nickel and dime donations. And that's when that was something new. And I brought that up. I said, well, we should do that. And there was this donor there who was very nice, but she was, you know, the white pearls like out of a movie. And she said, I would never do something they're doing.

And, you know, there's that kind of mentality, but there's also awareness of it, too. If it's not getting covered, people don't know about it. And you're right. I mean, something like this, you know, for all those entrepreneurs out there, can make someone on the conservative side a lot of money and help, you know, balance the scales a little bit. It's very odd. Well, the other thing I wanted to talk to you a little bit about and get an update on what's going on with China. I mean, Susan loses sleep for about five days after we talk to you usually. Is there any update on... so-called where they essentially want sovereign privilege over all countries and all elected

officials in the setting of a new emergency and this is obviously funded by china is is there something really sinister going on there or just misguided oh no it's if it's the ccp the chinese communist party it's sinister at least it is to us because they've made it clear, Xi Jinping's made it clear that we are in the way of their global dominance. And they're even a danger to the world economic forum. My friends will fight me on that. But China does not want to share the power with anyone. They will pretend to, but eventually, their nationalist mentality, they want the world to be China.

And they want to rule it. So what's going on with that? Yeah, I mean... When I... Go ahead. Go ahead, finish. No, no, no, go ahead. Well, I was saying that I've been thinking a lot about that lately. And actually, Elon Musk got me kind of thinking about it because he seems very clement towards China.

He thinks we should be engaged with them in our business practices. And I'm thinking, what is going on here? Why is he feeling comfortable with them and so the the question that sort of came to mind for me as it pertains this very topic that you're presenting why would they want to destroy their primary market their primary source of income and sales and we're it why would they want to do that well they want to do that uh because they can't control um the american. I mean, to really have the dominance China needs and wants, they need a certain mentality and that they're waiting for the next generation. That's why there's so much neo-Marxist type teaching as it is involved with the Chinese Communist Party. So why would they do that? You're right. Right now, we are their key market.

Right now, we are. But if you see what they, I'm sure you have, what they're doing with the oil negotiations with Saudi Arabia, the way they were actually building a pipeline with Russia and Ukraine prior to 2018, yes, with Russia and Ukraine. And the thing is, once they have the dominance over the world, then they can create a system where they're forcing where the spend goes, just like they do with their own people. So for instance, that social credit system, if you really look at it, that's a system where if you don't do certain things in society, you can lose points. If you help the old lady cross the street, theoretically, you can gain points and it's tied to your credit and everything.

But you also, if you buy something from Amazon or you Google or Baidu, you know, seven years in Tibet, you will definitely lose points. But if you buy something from Alibaba, you gain points. They are on the digital credits, they're on the digital currency system already. And there's only certain things you can buy. So when you have that kind of dominance, you're feeding the money right back into the system. They don't have that with America right now. And I don't know if they think they ever will. Best to just kind of get rid of at least the American mentality and America as an identity to really subjugate the people of America, which is a tough thing to do because we're in chaos with each other so it must be a nightmare to try to strategize that one out and I think that's the goal

I know the goal is by 2049 having that type of global dominance over everything That's interesting, I've not ever thought about our conflicted split system right now and all the extraordinary differences of opinion as our strength against China. Right.

Yeah, it's a strength because there's other groups. Do you worry about the digital wallets that the EU just put in place or created? I worry about any time currency or spend is digital because someone controls those servers and it's certainly not the person with the wallet. cards and identity cards and you know all that you know and made social currency cards that to me seems like one step towards exactly what china would like well china has that in china right now and it's worse because in china the currency actually expires so you can never gain independence by playing by the rules and saving money or anything and that's it could also track you it could also punish you for voting for the wrong people or hanging out the wrong people and it could also keep you from buying anything to ever be independent

of the state and that is the goal of china and it seems like a lot of our politicians here would love to have that kind of power, very much so. What do you think that is? I don't understand that delight in wanting to tell other people how to live by American leaders. That just seems weird to me. And it was even weirder, there's people wanting that. I mean, I just saw it at large in California, where our governor seemed to delight in shutting everything down and then people welcomed it and then wanted it to keep going. I can't understand that psychology. No.

Look, I think a lot of that first comes from ignorance and just a lack of education in the history of the world. I mean, you can pick up any book on the cultural revolution under Mao and you see the exact same events over the last three years play out almost to the letter. The other one is people don't really understand what real communism is and how horrible it is. They see the kind of fluffy Denmark or those kind of versions of it. Yeah, I was talking, we talked to Christine Anderson a couple of days ago,

the EU parliament member that has been fighting against particularly the Earth Health Organization treating and whatnot. And that's where our conversation went very quickly. We went to 1790 france we went to uh turn of the century russia we went to later in the century china i mean those those historical cycles that recur and are very predictable and they sort of some some parts of it at least play out in a very predictable way people seem totally unaware of it

they either side they just or they or they accuse another side of being evidence of it when they don't even know what the evidence is that suggests it's actually going on you know what i'm saying they just seem so oh i know what you're saying lost and yeah they they just don't seem to understand the the history they haven't studied the history. They don't understand the history. And they just, they know it as empty slogans. And they just sort of accuse everybody else of it when they themselves may be the ones doing it. Yeah, that's, I mean, that's classic, classic Marxist tactics. The first one is just to just obliterate the history. There are a lot of historians that refer to it as

the People's Republic of Amnesia. And most people under a certain age don't even know about Tiananmen Square in China. Here, I was horrified listening to a true crime podcast or just a geopolitical podcast a long time ago. they took someone mentioned 9-11 and this kid is sounded like i'm guessing a graduate at least he's at least in 22 23 he's like oh hey what uh what is that again what is what is 9-11 wow wow yeah wow i i have been obsessed with uh pre-revolutionary france for about 10 years because I could see this coming in the personality styles that were predominating. I kept saying there was going to be guillotines

and now what we don't understand is if you bring out a guillotine you go on the guillotine eventually even though you're the one that brought it out. That is mathematical certainty. But lately I've found myself reading a lot about Lenin and I am shocked at how modern, how much of the present moment is represented in the stuff he was doing.

Oh, yeah. Oh, totally. Right down to the currency and everything. And not only Lenin, but recently I've been reading a lot by a Federalist, has a really great journalist named Davida Duffy, Fahrenheit 457 and I get the temperature right. 451. And the history... Thank you.

And then also anything about the cultural revolution, the great leap forward, I have to put the books down because it's literally like, I'm reading what's happening today. Oh, no. Yeah, I have that exact same experience. I'm like, oh, it upsets me too much. I can't read it. Listen, a little breaker.

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Brian O'Shea is with me I want to finish with before we bring Justin Goodman in here from the whitecoatwaste.org so talk to me about the border and what your fears are there. I'm imagining this is where I'm going to lose sleep.

I aim to please. Unfortunately, the border is a total nightmare. I'm fortunate now to be co-hosting my own show with J.J. Carroll, who is a retired 24-year veteran of the southern border. And what I've learned from him and my knowledge of the Middle East, his of the border, coming together, it is the stuff of nightmares. So here's what we have. Right now, we have that we know of at least over 25,000 fighting-aged men from the People's Republic of China. They've come through the border, but here's how they come through. They come through the Taurian Gap, and then they end up in the Bahamas by flight.

And they're buying boats and landing on our shores. Buying boats. I don't think they're escaping from financial prosecution if they're buying boats. This is a regular thing that has largely gone unreported. That's terrifying enough. The other thing that just two weeks ago, we reported that two men had been detained at the border. One of them is Abdul Qayyum Musafir. if you were born in 1963 being in those groups and you're still alive and showing up on our border you're pretty tough hombre he has arrived he was detained two weeks ago and according to JJ sources he has been released into our country another guy that came through is a El-Hajj general, Habibullah Ahmadzai, who is the former, he used to be basically working directly for President Ghani of Afghanistan. And he has arrived now and was also detained and released. And so what I was talking about with JJ and our audience, and it hit me when JJ told me they

released these guys. He said, what do you think this means? And I said, well, I know when there's something bad about to happen on a military level or paramilitary level, the foot soldiers, the intelligence arrives first, followed by special operators to take down the bridges, take down the communications or cause chaos. Then in comes like the foot soldiers, the last people to arrive before something big is going to happen. I'm not saying I have any intel that says there is, but the last people to arrive before something big is going to happen, I'm not saying I have any intel that says there is, but the last people to arrive are the generals. And to me, it looks like the generals have arrived.

Is there any chance the government knows about this or is monitoring these guys? And if not, how is that possible? Well, they have to know about them because the government came and picked them up. They detained them. They would definitely know who they are. They detained them. And both of these guys are on, one was on Interpol, they're certainly in our databases. But another troubling thing is that after 2012, 2013, it seems like the US intelligence community shifted away from counterterrorism, just shifted away from it. And that's from multiple people I've talked to and I've heard. So I don't know why that is, but it doesn't bode well for us because it tells me you know we may

have some enemies within here somebody floated a theory I wanted to ask you about it's not specifically related to this topic it's perfectly related that he wondered whether the CIA was involved with the Mexican cartels in a sort of Oliver North contra affair. And in some manner benefiting from what the cartels are doing, including helping monitor these invaders, is there anything like that? Or were they're shunting money because of what's going on with the cartels? They're able to shut money to an ally or something. Is there anything of that nature in your mind going on? Is that a possibility? Yeah, it's certainly a possibility. And I think you're referring to the MENA case, MENA Arkansas, film about that situation in Arkansas called American Made. And originally they thought, okay, the CIA is working with the DEA and all this. And they don't. They kind of always do their own thing and they have their own directives that they're following.

So yeah, it's definitely possible. But again, CIA is not law enforcement. They are an intelligence gathering service. And so if they're doing something, it's not going to be to stop people coming in. It's going to be for whatever strategic directive they're operating under. Right. In other words, it could be not obvious to us what the final benefit is from an

intelligence standpoint. Would that be safe to say? Yeah, I think that's a safe way to put it. Just like your example's great. They were parallel to what was going on, but it was opportunistic for them. Yeah. Well, Brian, I shall toss and turn a bit for a few nights yet, having spoken with you. I appreciate it. But I'm glad to know you're on the job and raising awareness about these things. Is there anything before I let you go we need to do insofar as the,

I've already forgotten the name of the organization that is the organizing the, what is their name? The Action Network. Is there anything we need to do about them or, yeah, is there anything we need to do about that? Is it we just all just sort of go ahead. Find a way to copy

what's working, whether it's the enemy doing it or not, or your enemy whoever's enemy is their enemy, but you know, if it's working, do it. And even if you have to use that, or you can use their service, use their service themselves, use their service, use the very thing they're using, as you said, yeah, pick up their, if they leave the sword, pick up the sword.

Yeah. And I'll just say this. I mean, when I was, um, you know, I was in special forces units as a intelligence guy, we trained not only with like nato weapons we trained with all the world's weapons so we knew we could pick one up and use it if we had to and everyone should have that same mentality it doesn't make you them to use their weapon just like it doesn't make action network bad it's the people that use it and how they use it to make it good or bad i don't know if they're good or bad but It's the people that use it and how they use it that make it good or bad. I don't know if they're good or bad, but it's a tool. And I would

encourage people to use it. Ryan O'Shea, thank you so much. Tell them again where you want them to go. Again, go to dailyclout.io and I do want to say actually, if I may, today is the publication date of naomi wolf's new book and it is called facing the beast i recommend people get it the other thing i want to say is her birthday is this weekend and happy birthday to my lovely lovely love of my life we say the same thing to her happy birthday naomi tell tell it really quickly what will they what

motivate them to read the book what are they going to find in there oh well that that book is a collection of essays and everything all written by Naomi all through the pandemic really really um you know kind of narrating both the personal and the different stories that kind of motivated her along the way to to land in the center of this. And really, I think it's a great way for people to get to know her and realize that this woman is operating with a big heart and a pure soul. And hopefully it inspires people to do whatever they can. I mean, one of her motivations was my son and keeping him safe. Oh.

But that desire, she has always operated that way. But that desire has, she has always operated that way. And that's what I've learned about her. Always. You're not listening. It can look like she's taking on different fights, but it's really the same fight across the board. And I told her when she was telling me

about this book, that it's important history. She's documenting important history here. And so it'll be a very important book, I think. So, Brian, thank you so much thank you very much it cracks me up because he's telling us all this horrible news and he does it in such a calm voice so it just makes me so nervous because it's like, are you guys listening? What are you saying? I know.

I know. I noticed that too. Because it is such a calm voice. I know. He's so matter of fact about the whole thing. Okay. So here we go. We're going to now bring in Justin Goodman.

And Justin has got a few topics I want to get into. Let me get you the particulars on Justin to make sure you go find him. He's at whitecoatwaste.org. On social media, also at whitecoatwaste, and that wasted, of course, W-A-S-T-E. And welcome Justin Goodman to the program. Thanks for having me, Drew. Hi, Justin. Thanks, Sam.

Thank you. You bet. Thank you for being here. So I want to start with the National Institute of Health director, which was recently confirmed. What are your concerns there? A lot of people objected to this new person and tell us what your concerns are. Yeah, this week, Monica Bertagnoli, the new NIH director, was nominated. 36 no votes, including Bernie Sanders and 35 Republicans,

including our friend Rand Paul, Joni Ernst, other members we work with closely. And listen, she's another animal abusing big government bureaucrat who's shown really bad judgment and is bound to make the same mistake as her predecessor, Francis Collins and people like Anthony Fauci. She told Rand Paul in hearing questions that she supports gain-of-function research like the animal experiments in Wuhan that the FBI and the Department of Energy and others believe caused the COVID pandemic. She supports sending more money to labs in China, animal experimentation labs in China, for the kinds of experiments that cause COVID. She supports sending money to animal labs in Russia and other foreign countries. And she's fine with the fact that there's absolutely no oversight of

what's going on in these foreign laboratories, in addition to many other troubling positions she has. She's also gotten $200 million in grants from the NIH over the years. So she is totally entrenched, and we can expect more of the same bad policies that likely caused COVID and destroyed public, you know, global health and the global economy for the last three or four years. Do we know what her training is? What, what her clinical background is? I hope to God there's some, at least. She's yeah, she's a surgeon and she's a surgeon and an oncologist.

Done lots of animal experimentation, which is a big concern of ours. Yeah, she was at Brigham and Women's in Massachusetts for a long time. And then she's been, for about the last year, she's been the director of the National Cancer Institute. So she was at the NIH for less than a year before she was nominated to be the head of the National Institutes of Health. And again, there were a lot of serious concerns raised about her qualifications. Bernie Sanders was concerned about the fact that she wouldn't agree to rein in drug prices. There were a lot of concerns about, again, these bad policies related to dangerous animal

experiments that can cause pandemics both abroad and here on U.S. soil. I mean, there's labs in the United States that are supercharging coronaviruses and other incurable viruses like Ebola and Lassa and Nipah and things that can wipe us all out, things with 50% fatality rates. And we're bringing them from foreign countries right onto U.S. soil and manipulating them in laboratories. And it's a recipe for disaster, and she supports that. Well, tell me about that. I understand it as sort of an updated bat story. Is that correct? Yeah. So our organization was the

first one to tie the National Institutes of Health in early 2020 to what was happening in Wuhan, to the Wuhan lab. We documented through the Freedom of Information Act how Anthony Fauci's division at the NIH had secretly shipped tax dollars to the Wuhan Institute of Virology, which is a virology lab in China run by the Chinese Communist Party, to go into bat caves in southern China, collect these wild bat viruses, bring them back into the laboratory, and then intentionally soup them up and supercharge them so they were more contagious and more virulent to human beings. We obtained emails actually exchanged between the NIH and the experimenters in Wuhan, where they rewrote the definition of gain of function,

essentially, to allow those dangerous experiments to take place, even though the Obama administration had banned them at the time. So they were shipping this money over there. They were breaking federal policy that was preventing those experiments from taking place. Really, they shouldn't have been taking place anywhere, but they rewrote the definition. And then we found the documents that tied COVID's likely patient zero to that laboratory. Ben Hu, COVID's likely patient zero, as documented by the Wall Street Journal and others, was the lead experimenter in that laboratory working with humanized mice and these supercharged bat coronaviruses.

Now we found evidence through the Freedom of Information Act showing that a year before the pandemic, a Fauci-run lab in Montana, right here in the United States, was importing coronaviruses from China and then rounded up bats from a decrepit, bats from a zoo in Maryland, brought them to this NIH laboratory in Montana overseen by Anthony Fauci, and infected them with the coronavirus from the Wuhan lab back in 2018. So the NIH, listen, I think we've just only seen the tip of the iceberg when it comes to what the NIH has been doing with these dangerous viruses in China and certainly abroad. And they're trying to do more of this right now in the United States. They're trying to set up more of these bat laboratories here in the US and repeat the same mistakes that led us to the point we are now, cause the COVID pandemic. And now they have an NIH director who's perfectly happy

to facilitate that and waste more tax money and put American lives and lives around the country at risk. But you know what, what if we killed 25 million people with COVID? Did she explain why they want to do this? Was there a defense at least of what she had in mind for this research? Yeah, the company line, which is that manipulating potential pandemic pathogens is going to help prevent another pandemic. But even the head, Gerald Parker from Texas A&M, who's the head of the federal committee that oversees gain-of-function experiments, told the congressional committee last month, a bipartisan committee had a hearing, the select committee on the COVID pandemic had

a hearing. They asked him to come and speak about gain-of-function research and oversight. And he said that it's completely unnecessary to do this supercharging of pandemic viruses to prevent a pandemic. There is not a single example in history where gain-of-function experiments have predicted or prevented a pandemic. The only example we have is that it actually caused one in Wuhan. This is big business.

What has happened to the coronavirus COVID-19 origin story? It seems like it comes in these waves. Is it just now that people have accepted it's from the lab or i i don't quite understand what the state of that argument is or that discussion well i think there's only one side of the aisle unfortunately that really wants accountability uh democrats have resisted it left and right um and remember obama was the one who banned gain of function experiments because he was worried it could cause a pandemic. Joe Biden was the vice president. And then Donald Trump came and people lost their minds a little bit. But people like Rand Paul, people like James Comer, people like Kathy McMorris Rogers, Republicans in Congress have been pushing for answers to

get accountability about COVID origins. And actually next week, Peter Daszak, who is the head of EcoHealth Alliance, this is the New York nonprofit that sent the tax dollars and worked with the Wuhan lab, he will be testifying under oath to a House committee following a subpoena about what he knows about the COVID origins. So I think there are things we're not going to be able to get answers to because we were shipping

money to a lab run by the Chinese Communist Party, and they've destroyed data and disappeared people who knew answers. That's all documented. So I think there's some things we may not ever know but what but peter daschik probably knows more than anybody about what actually happened in wuhan do you think he'll actually be open uh i don't know uh it reigns to be seen i think that we really don't know what his involvement in this type of experimentation was i mean he had access to lots of different countries around the world where it's difficult to get yourself in and get connections with government agencies. I think there's questions about why the DOD has been funding Peter Daszak's experiments on animals and virus hunting for

so long. What his involvement with the intelligence community was. So I think it's going to be very interesting to see what the committee gets out of him. I also think there's Anthony Fauci repeatedly committed felonies by testifying under oath to Rand Paul in Congress saying that the NIH under Fauci did not fund gain-of-function experiments in Wuhan. And the NIH has since admitted that, explicitly admitted that they funded experiments that supercharged coronaviruses in the Wuhan Institute of Virology in violation of the federal ban that was in place. But Fauci told House committees and Senate committee repeatedly under oath that he didn't. Now, Rand Paul has referred him to the DOJ for prosecution for perjury, which is a felony. So again, I don't expect the Biden DOJ to prosecute Anthony Fauci,

but in a year's time, we might elect a different president, and in which case we can expect some accountability. But right now with a split Congress and the Biden administration in the White House, I think it's going to be hard to hold people like Francis Collins and Anthony Fauci and Peter Daszak accountable. Even if we can do something in the House, we're going to need the DOJ to take action to lock up people who might have knowingly been involved in causing a pandemic that's killed 25 million people. I also know your organization is very concerned about experimentation on mammals, particularly cats and dogs. I'm going to give you a chance to tell me about that. And I'm curious what the alternative is that you're suggesting. Yeah, thanks. Yeah. So people who are not familiar with White Coat Waste Project, we're a government watchdog group, and we're specifically

focused on the $20 billion a year that taxpayers are forced to pay for wasteful and cruel experiments on animals. About 100 million animals are experimented on in labs each year in the United States, dogs, cats, primates, bats, other animals. And cancer, we were talking about the new NIH director. One of the reasons why I think we should have no faith in her as a leader, she's shown really bad judgment. You know, cancer is a great example of where 95% of drugs that pass animal tests, 95% specifically of cancer drugs that pass animal tests and are safe and effective fail in human trials because either they're ineffective, they don't work, or they're actually toxic and dangerous to people, and in some cases, kill them. And this is an incredible waste of taxpayer dollars in addition to being incredibly cruel.

I mean, these are experiments where animals are being, dogs are being debarked, force-fed experimental drugs, burned, shot, blown up. I mean, the list goes on. So in terms of alternatives, there's technologies out there now that better predict human outcomes when testing for efficacy and toxicology with drugs. Things like organs on a chip that were developed at Harvard University that are the size of your thumb and they are miniaturized human organs. And you can model diseases in them and test the efficacy and safety of drugs in them. And comparative studies show that they're more accurate. They save time. They save years of wasteful research on animals. That's usually a dead end and wrong. They're less expensive and obviously they're more humane. And this is a great bipartisan issue. That's what's great about our organization is, you know,

we work with, you know, the Freedom Caucus to the squad and everyone in between on these issues. And it's really a way to unite folks on Capitol Hill and unite folks who on Main Street who are even divided about a lot of things in this country right now. This is something that's bringing people together and we've been able to get a lot done to modernize research, prevent government waste and prevent animal cruelty. Is there a literature out there on these alternative experimental methodologies? Yeah, extensive, extensive. I mean, it's not a new idea. I mean, you could go back to the 80s and some of these technologies were starting to be developed back then, but they've really hit their stride now.

Part of the problem is government red tape. The private sector pharmaceutical companies are already relying on these technologies because they're more efficient. I mean, drug companies are interested in getting a product to the market as quick as possible. They don't care if they have to do animal testing or not. And in fact, they prefer not to because it's controversial and very expensive. And they're embracing these technologies that are more efficient. The problem is that there are bureaucrats at the FDA and these other agencies who've been looking at animal testing data for 30 years, and they're uncomfortable with any kind of new idea that might upset the apple cart, cost them a job, and upset a bureaucracy that's been in place for a long time. So a lot of the job we do is working to cut red tape. And

one of the things we did last year was working with Rand Paul to get rid of the 1938 law that forced drug companies to test on animals even when they didn't need to and they didn't want to. So now drug companies have more freedom to use whatever technologies they see fit to get safe and effective drug to humans instead of poisoning puppies, which is literally the standard right now. They take hundreds of beagle puppies, they stick a tube down their throat, and they pump their stomachs full of massive doses of experimental drugs that are 10 or 100 times larger than a human would ever ingest and actually tells you literally nothing about what a human response would be. It's just a box on a form for the FDA, and it's got to stop.

Again, whether you're a liberty lover or an animal lover, this is something that unites a lot of people. Are there any technologies that are sort of on the horizon that you're excited about? Well, I think organs on a chip are kind of the cutting edge right now. And what they're trying to do right now, they have a lung on a chip, a liver on a chip, and they're developing one for each organ system. So eventually they can unite them and have a fully functioning organ system that touches everything. And you can put a drug through there.

Right now, that hasn't been done. Our work is primarily focused on not only cutting the government's involvement in this. We're not an anti-animal testing organization. We believe the private sector should fund these things. If the Gates Foundation or pharmaceutical companies want to pay for this. Let them have at it. But it's incredibly wasteful. It's incredibly expensive. And taxpayers who overwhelmingly oppose this shouldn't be forced to pay for it.

And I can guarantee you that most of the wasteful experiments that the government is funding right now, no one in their right mind would pay for it unless they were being forced to do it. So I think getting the government out of the animal testing business is really our goal. Got it. I'm hearing kinds of exciting things about yeast and big data. There's just all kinds of ideas out there flying around. And so this field is going to really change in the next 20 years sort of on its own.

So it's something very interesting to me. Is there anything else you guys are working on, Justin? Well, you know, going back to the beginning of our discussion, we're working right now on the NIH spending bill for 2024. And we've got a lot of important amendments in that bill to defund things like gain-of-function experimentation in the United States, supercharging viruses to make them more dangerous to humans. We're working on defunding that, cutting off EcoHealth Alliance. EcoHealth Alliance, despite probably causing COVID, has gotten $50 million in new grants and contracts just since the pandemic started. They're still going around the world hunting viruses and bringing them into laboratories and tinkering

with them. We've got to stop that. And we've got an amendment to defund dog testing and cat testing at the NIH. The dog and cat testing amendment is one of only 10 amendments out of over 300 that were submitted for the NIH spending bill that were actually bipartisan. So again, we're hopeful that some of these things will make it to the president's desk and get signed into law. I don't want them tinkering with the virus, but I do want them monitoring the viruses. So please don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. Well, the problem is that what they're doing is going into remote places of the world where the humans basically never go. And they're taking viruses that exist in nature, which is inevitable that it's going to happen. And they're bringing them into laboratories. And it's two sides of the same coin, whether you're doing bioseverance or bioweapons development.

And I don't think it's made me clear that the United States has not been involved in bioweapons development or that those things couldn't fall into the wrong hands. And if you look at the history, you know, the lab in Montana that is experimenting on Zubats recently, they have a history of bioweapons development for the DOD going back to the 1950s. And I think that's one of the reasons people like Peter Daszak and Anthony Fauci have been so tight-lipped is because I think their work might have touched that. I mean, as far back as 2002, Anthony Fauci was saying he had a top-secret security clearance. Now, why would Anthony Fauci need a top-secret security clearance unless he was involved with something like that? Well, he was actually a part of the Department of Defense, right? I mean, he was a major administrator within that department from the science side. That was very odd. Yeah, post 9-11, he was kind of deputized and his division of the NIH was kind of created as a bio, you know, funded heavily all of a sudden as a kind of bio defense arm of the DOD within the NIH.

And that's why, that's how we end up with these scary programs where you're shipping tax dollars to foreign countries with literally no oversight and hoping for the best. Bureaucracy is just one tale of unintended consequence after another. It's just, especially when it comes to health, it just isn't the right kind of an organization for them. Well, listen, Justin, where would you like people to go to find out more? At whitecoatwaste.org on all the social media platforms and whitecoatwaste.org is our webpage. You can join our campaigns, get involved, take action, contact Congress and help hold people like Anthony Fauci accountable. Should we follow you somewhere?

Justin R. Goodman on Twitter. I'm on there every day sharing news updates about our campaigns and stuff about lab leak, COVID origins. So it seems like that's something you're interested in. If other folks are, follow me on there. Great. Thank you so much, Justin. Appreciate you being here. Oh, oh, oh. Wait, wait. Susan has something for you. Wait, wait, wait. And Brian wants to get his information because he wants to do...

Can you hear Susan, everybody? He wants to talk to him about 11 labs doing active bat research in the States. Who wants... Oh everybody he wants to talk to him about 11 labs doing active bat research in the states who wants oh brian let's talk to him so brian o'shea who i just spoke to you before wants to get your information so we can talk about some of this material he's uh it'd be interesting putting your two heads together that'd be very interesting so what should you email you susan or yeah or just put them together. Yeah, Emily can, or he can hit me up on Twitter, Justin R. Goodman. Justin at whitecoatwaste.org is my email address, and you can reach out to me.

And we actually have a story breaking tomorrow about how EcoHealth and Fauci's NIH division are trying to set up a new bat lab in the United States with bats shipped from Asia. So keep your eyes peeled on our social media at whitecoatwaste.org for that story. There you go. All right. Thank you so much, Justin. Appreciate it. Thanks, Drew.

You got it. And Susan, I'm not sure if they hear you or not when you're talking. Is your mic on? They're hearing you? Okay. Emily's going to take care of that. She's going to put them together, of course.

There you are. And this is our last day in Austin for a few weeks And we thank the studios The Soundshed Studios for helping us out In our dower of need This is working out, we're going to be back here again No doubt

Get Susan up there, I've got to look at her than me Thank you very much There you are Hi everybody There's the camera, sorry I'm not good on camera, I'm just not in the mood there i've got to look at her than me thank you very much there you are and so hi everybody and and so uh there's a camera sorry yeah i'm not good on camera i'm just not in the mood you know what i mean it's not my thing but um this is my mic this is how i turn it on no it's a beautiful studio he's got a camera in every corner yeah this is ideas for our studio for those of you

from your mom's house. This was. And this. Well he did a lot of the studios in Austin here. And Annie was the one that sent us to Matt. We are grateful for that. And. And we'll be back in your new. Semi.

Will it be all new. When we start on Tuesday. Or will it be just sort of. Mostly new. Oh did I turn it off. You're on. You're like. Now you're off.

Still on. Okay. So. So. We have a new floor in our studio. Yeah. And we have some new angles. And we're going to be setting up some new cameras and lights.

And we are going into the studio. Oh. Ooh. Okay. That'll be fun. And it should be nice coming along. We occasionally get requests from people who want to be in studio so we can take advantage

of that now. So that'll be interesting. Watching on the restream there's lots of you look great Susan types of comments. I actually look a lot like this place. It's weird because I bought the same backdrops and then we came in here and I went oh. There it is.

And somebody just asked, did Justin really say, Batlab in America, Tonetta said that. Yes, that is what he said. So we'll be looking for that story tomorrow. Let me see what you guys are doing over on the Rants and Rumble. We'll be out of here very soon. Shoot. Yeah, he sent me a link to

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Okay. How about the isolated proof of the isolated virus Paxlovid? I don't know what you mean by that. How about the proof of the isolated virus Paxlovid? Don't know what that means. But my enthusiasm for Paxlovid is waning with the $1,300 price tag they put on it now. We're going to have to try other things first because I'm not going to force patients. They just won't be able to pay that kind of money for the medicine.

And there was an article just today where they interviewed multiple science and clinical leaders from around the country, around the world actually and certainly in this country there is absolute complete consensus that the current variant of coronavirus of covid19 is a cold uh so the use of any of these things is sort of questionable i mean why would we be using two very powerful antivirals for a cold uh so keep an eye on things it It appears to have, uh, morphed to that, you know, variant that is, first of all, it's, we're three variants away from the XBB.1.5, which is what the booster was designed for. So it's not at all clear that you'll be covered by this present booster. Uh, but you're taking something that causes a cold. And I, I don't usually treat colds with medication because or whether it's a vaccinating medication or a therapeutic medication because the probability

of hurting you is higher than the probability of the problem hurting or the infection hurting you whatever what i'm not talking just about covet. I'm talking about any situation where an illness is mild and I start opening my prescription pad. I'm only likely to hurt people because the illness is not going to hurt you. So it's funny. I say that all the time with patients that people get with normal hearts and young people. It's like if I open my prescription pad and give you a medicine, that is more likely to harm you than the palpitations. Though, I will tell you that palpitations are kind of different these days in that a

lot of people are having various kinds of rhythm disturbances associated with COVID and with the vaccine. So it's no longer the old days. In the old days, when somebody had palpitations, they were 25 years old, I would just, you know, don't worry about it. Don't stop it. I could reassure them completely.

Now I have to do a big workup for myocarditis. Same thing is true of sudden deaths. When people, when a young person died suddenly, throughout my career, I knew for sure, 99 probability drug addict overdose. Now we're seeing a lot of other things. Now, I don't know if those other things are just being reported more often than not.

It doesn't seem like it. We're going to talk to Ed Dowd. Is it the week after next? Uh, Caleb, if you could put up our schedule, uh, going forward here. I know Ed's- Ooh, my favorite. I know, Susan loves know Ed's in. Ooh, my favorite. I know. Susan loves having Ed down.

I love Ed down. So Pascal will be in here on Tuesday. Okay. And that was for what day? Not confirmed. The following Tuesday? Checking on it. Let's see.

Okay. I'm double checking on it. Pascal's in here at noon. Okay. On November 14th, which is Tuesday, he'll be here on, we'll be here on noon with Pascal because because he's calling from another country dr victory on the 15th michelle bachman on the 16th that's thursday at normal time three o'clock to discuss the world health organization treaty uh and the the uh ongoing struggle there and uh yeah do follow the show

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