Ask Dr. Drew - Viva Frei & Mark Changizi: Israel Launches Airstrikes On Iran, Minnesota Assassin Vance Boelter Captured & ICE Raids Continue – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 496

Episode Date: June 21, 2025

Vance Boelter, 57, is accused of assassinating Minnesota Rep. Melissa Hortman and her husband, wounding Sen. John Hoffman and his wife in targeted shootings. He allegedly stalked victims, used a police disguise, and had a hit list of more than 40 officials. Arrested after a manhunt, he faces murder and firearms charges. On the other side of the world, Israel launched airstrikes on Tehran and Tabriz, stating their attacks are meant to preempt Iran’s nuclear weapon development. President Trump continues to call for a diplomatic resolution – leaving the G7 summit early as violence escalated between Israel and Iran, and warning residents of Tehran to evacuate. David Freiheit, aka Viva Frei, is a lawyer and host of Viva Frei on Rumble, Locals, and YouTube, and co-host of Viva & Barnes Live. More at https://x.com/thevivafrei Mark Changizi is a cognitive scientist, author of Motorcycle Mind (available at https://amzn.to/4jSSUta ) and Expressly Human (available at https://amzn.to/45KSnGr ), and founder of FreeX. He researches human perception and emotion. More at https://x.com/MarkChangizi 「 SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS 」 Find out more about the brands that make this show possible and get special discounts on Dr. Drew's favorite products at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/sponsors⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠  ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • ACTIVE SKIN REPAIR - Repair skin faster with more of the molecule your body creates naturally! Hypochlorous (HOCl) is produced by white blood cells to support healing – and no sting. Get 20% off at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/skinrepair⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • FATTY15 – The future of essential fatty acids is here! Strengthen your cells against age-related breakdown with Fatty15. Get 15% off a 90-day Starter Kit Subscription at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/fatty15⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • PALEOVALLEY - "Paleovalley has a wide variety of extraordinary products that are both healthful and delicious,” says Dr. Drew. "I am a huge fan of this brand and know you'll love it too!” Get 15% off your first order at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/paleovalley⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • VSHREDMD – Formulated by Dr. Drew: The Science of Cellular Health + World-Class Training Programs, Premium Content, and 1-1 Training with Certified V Shred Coaches! More at ⁠⁠⁠https://vshredmd.com/⁠⁠⁠ • THE WELLNESS COMPANY - Counteract harmful spike proteins with TWC's Signature Series Spike Support Formula containing nattokinase and selenium. Learn more about TWC's supplements at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twc.health/drew⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ 「 MEDICAL NOTE 」 Portions of this program may examine countervailing views on important medical issues. Always consult your physician before making any decisions about your health. 「 ABOUT THE SHOW 」 Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Kaleb Nation (⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://kalebnation.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠) and Susan Pinsky (⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/firstladyoflov⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠e⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠). This show is for entertainment and/or informational purposes only, and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Over arm. Well, we thank you for your patience. We are in New York City and we have a new soundboard here and it took a minute to get it configured. We're still having issues as it were. Two of my favorite guests today, David Frye-Heit, also known as Aviva Frye. He, we got a lot to talk about.

I kind of feel like if you get sick or leave the country for two or three days when you come back, like a whole wheel of history is turned in that two or three days. Mark Cienchisi joining us again as well. He's Iranian, he's a physicist, he's a cognitive psychologist, and I'm fascinated to hear what his take

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Viva's ready. All right, let's do it. Viva Fry everybody. Sorry about the delay and you've been very patient. Thank you, my friend. How are you? Oh, very good. How you doing?

I'm good. So as usual, like I said, the historical wheel turns at a rate that I find just astonishing. And now here we are again, probably, but it's like five weeks or something since we last talked. And I feel like I'm in an entirely different world. Yes? It's incredible.

I mean, it's like we've moved off of the Minnesota political assassinations because now the world is fixated on the potential for World War III with Iran. It's impossible to keep up with everything and to know what's going on in all of these fields. But yes, between Friday and today, it is a world of difference. Yeah, I mean, we had demonstrations over the weekend.

We started the week with violent demonstrations. We ended the weekend with peaceful demonstrations. We had a military parade. We had assassinations in Minnesota. And then we have Israel assassinating people in Iran. And then all of a sudden, our military is moving in that direction. I all like, Viva, this is one of the reasons

I want to talk to Mark today. I'm at the point now where I know that I can't trust anything that's in the media. Susan is messing with my camera, so nobody get too vertiginous here. But I can't trust the media, but now I feel like I don't know who the good guys and who the bad guys are anymore.

I don't know anything. I just don't know anything. With the prospect of America getting involved in the war with Iran and what Israel's doing there. Yeah, it's it's a crazy thing. People want to draw lessons from past conflicts. They want to draw lessons from past events that teach them certain lessons. And we have conflicting lessons right now. You have the the the Chamberlain. You can't negotiate with Hitler lesson from World War Two. And then you have the weapons of mass destruction lie. You have the warlain, you can't negotiate with Hitler, lesson from World War II, and then you have the weapons of mass destruction lie,

you have the war in Afghanistan, war in Iraq, regime change in Libya, regime change in Syria, teaching us that regime change doesn't work. And then you have- Not only that, not only that, but listen, we had a no-kings day, and yet today I saw on X, a king was stepping in and going, I'll be with you soon,

we're going to have a King of Iran back. So immediately following No Kings, all of a sudden the king is back in the center of the conversation. When you have No Kings Day from the likes of Bernie Sanders who rationalizes his three homes to Lex Friedman, you have the No Kings Day with Randy Weingarten who makes $560,000

a year fighting for the lowly employees who are used and abused and exploited. You have the No Kings and you have Karen Bass deploying the LAPD on so-called peaceful riots. Karen Bass who makes over $300,000 a year but there's no water in the fire hydrants. I mean, it's No Kings and yet the socialist preachers live like kings. But look, with what's going on in Israel and Iran, you have to amalgamate the information as best you can, and then just take a guess. It's like flipping a coin or throwing a dart.

Is Iran now, despite the last 20 years of warning that they're on the eve of a nuclear weapon, is it true now? My takeaway is, despite the last 20 years of warning that they're on the eve of a nuclear weapon, is it true now? My takeaway is, abandon the argument that they're close to a nuclear weapon. Just admit what you want to do, and that's cripple them militarily, and don't cloak it in a rationale that has been 20 years in the making and then 20 years being debunked. Don't pretend that- I think it's pretty clear, at least our president

has moved from, I want to cripple the nuclear operation to I want a regime change. And that is a very, it's not an easy thing to pull off. I mean, that is, you have people fighting for their lives in that case. And by the way, I was just going to show you, I'm reading this book right now, which really interestingly chronicles World War II

and part of World War I, kind of in real time going forward. We tend to look at history through the prism of certitude, because we know how it turned out. When somebody does the good work of writing it as it happened, you realize, they were just as clueless as we are right now, but they seem to have a sense that they had no choice.

I kind of feel like we have choices here. Am I wrong? Well, you have choices. You have not do nothing, but do more of the same, or you have the choice of regime change. And they might be too bad. There's a lot of, there's a lot in between. A lot.

There's a lot in between those two choices. A lot. Negotiable. There's a do nothing, do nothing or continue negotiations, continue doing what we're doing or regime change and everything in the middle, but the bottom line is, you know, politicians and the government doesn't, uh, their rationale is hurry up and do something, even if that thing is wrong,

because it's better to do something wrong than to sit on your hands. You know what? It's interesting to me, because as you were saying that, I thought, no, no, we have another option, which is to just let Israel do its thing, and we stay out of it.

And then I thought, well, we would supply them with goods and arms and stuff like that. And that is exactly what Roosevelt did that resulted in, if history is able to give us any lessons, it will be that we will get attacked. That's what the lesson was in World War II, was that Roosevelt gave planes to France and to Germany,

and Japan attacked us. And we kind of knew it was coming, and we provisioned everybody, and we still got attacked. I mean, just compare it to the more recent example of what happened in Ukraine where we haven't gotten attacked. I say we as in America, but had the world said, let Ukraine figure it out with Russia, it would have been over five, not five years ago,

three years ago and hundreds of thousands of people ago. These relationships and these conflicts get complicated, they get falsified and they get exacerbated when you have bigger players propping up to smaller players and then nobody's really negotiating with dollars or fighting with their own. And by the way, to your point, what's going on in the, if you look at the battlefields in Ukraine,

it's World War II. It's the French border is kind of battles going on. These are crazy, huge military actions. Millions of people getting killed, and we're pretending it's just some sort of border skirmish. It's hundreds of thousands of Russians and Ukrainians have gotten killed now in what will probably resolve itself the way it ought to have been negotiated from the get-go except

hundreds of thousands of people later. With the conflict in the Middle East, people let Israel do its thing, but they're doing their thing with arms procured from America, which implicates America. But arguably, had Israel just been allowed to do its thing decades ago, who knows what that would have resolved like, and it might not have made anybody happy, but what you have here are players falsifying the negotiation relationships in the Middle East for its own interests. It never worked out in the past.

It's never been done over the table, above board, and it's never been done on proper or accurate information. And the question is right now, Iran's on the verge of a nuclear weapon board, and it's never been done on proper or accurate information. And the question is right now, it rans on the verge of a nuclear weapon again, as it has been for the last 20 years. What Intel is good, what not good, and have we learned anything from the WMD lie that got us into a 20 year war that did nothing?

And so another chapter of history. So let's talk about the president of the United States. He's so focused on winning? He shows so much certitude, it seems like, I don't know if that's true or not, but is he the wrong guy for this job? Is he the right guy for this job? Is he making things worse for us?

I, again, I don't know who the good guys are, who the bad guys are anymore. I just, I'm confused, but you tell me what you think. I made a joke, like, it's like mom and dad are fighting now because you have, uh, you have people who you like and respect fighting with each other or vehemently disagreeing on the internet and they're both right. They're both wrong.

Uh, the issue is this, I've said, you know, you elected a Trump, people voted for Trump because they trust his judgment. And so the argument is rely on his judgment now. That's true. But they also voted for him because of certain promises that he made, one of which was to not get into more foreign wars in the Middle East, no more new.

And it's not a question of judgment, it's a question of trusting and relying on his promises that he made. Now the argument's gonna be, once into the presidency, things have changed. We got new information. What Tulsi Gabbard said three months ago is no longer accurate, things have changed, we gotta reass information. What Tulsi Gabbard said three months ago is no longer accurate.

Things have changed. We've got to reassess. That will always be true. But the question is this. The populist movement that voted for Trump on the basis of no new foreign wars and get the hell out of Ukraine, not only are we not out of Ukraine yet, getting involved in another war, these are big promises to have to renegotiate on once you're in office. And when you lose the, I won't say lose the support, but when you gain the ire or the criticism of the O and Troyers of the world of the Alex Joneses who are arguably white Trump got elected in the first place in 2016. Look, you're, you're threading a needle with a, I don't know what the, with a camel. I don't know what the exact, what the expression is, but you're walking a very tough line to

walk. If you're backtracking now on promises, there'd better be damn good information above and beyond. The AEIE or whatever it is, the Atomic Energy Agency, now says they're really close now. And so we should trust them because we had reports back in 2001 that said Iraq had WMDs and that turned out to be not just wrong, but lies. Right. That's right.

And let's switch for a second. And again, I'm lost, so admittedly. Let's go to these assassinations over the weekend. I'm hearing once again, because I'm lost, layers and layers of conspiracy theory on this guy, including that he's not the guy that did it, including that he is a far right, he's a far left, he's a Waltz employee.

Who is this guy? What did he do? I'm so, we have a roommate that maybe wasn't his roommate chatting with the press. What is going on here? Drew, I'm deep in the weeds on this one. It's not, I mean, I'm not doing the investigative journalism, although I'm trying, I'm reaching out to get info, but you know, I've been surfing the

internet all weekend. The man's name is Vance Belter, B-O-E-L-T-E-R. He, the argument is that he's a far right wing extremist because he's a reg or was a registered Republican. In the early 2000, I think as of 2004. In 2016, he was appointed by whoever was the governor of Minnesota, was a Democrat, to some workforce governance board that Tim Walz renewed his appointment to for a period of four years. So he is a Tim Walz applicant

to a workforce governance board that is being described as bipartisan. I went to the website that describes that governance board. It's on the Minnesota legislature website. It has plans of like racial equity in employment and training, handicapped equity in employment and training. So they're trying to portray this guy

as a far right wing guy because he was a registered Republican in 2000, that he's a Christian nationalist because he goes to the Democratic Republic of Congo to give sermons at churches. Let's just say we're not quite sure who he is. There's one element of very, very either damning info or astronomically insane coincidence. A woman by the name of Jennifer Belter, who's his wife, there's a woman named Jennifer Belter

who interned for Tim Walls in 2010. I was quoted in a Guardian article today as refusing to accept the fact that that's a different Jennifer Belter because a Tim Walls spokesperson said, it's a different Jennifer Belter who interned for Tim Walls back in 2010. And I'm like, if it is, I want to just tell me, I want to know what it is above and beyond the Tim Walls spokesperson saying it's a different Jennifer Belter. So sets that aside, because it may or may not be a connection, although I think it is, I want to just tell me, I want to know what it is above and beyond the Tim Walz spokesperson saying it's a different Jennifer Belter. So sets that aside,

because it may or may not be a connection, although I think it is, but we'll see. This guy was an appointment of Tim Walz. He went out and murdered the only Democrat lawmaker who voted with Republicans for a budget compromise that included defunding illegal alien programs in Minnesota. The other individual that he shot, Hoffman, coincidence enough, was on the workforce governance board

that this guy was appointed to by Tim Walz in 2019. So whether he's left or right, he's clearly a nut bag, assuming he did it, then you're gonna have everybody on the internet who always says, oh, the guy in the picture looks 50 pounds lighter than the one that they got surveillance from his farm. It sure looks different.

Look at the pictures up there, Viva, look at him. Put him up, Caleb, again, the bald guy and then the guy with the crew cut. There's the mug shot. Then here he is in the ring camera or whatever. Oh no, there he is. There's the 50 pounds heavier. Maybe he lost some weight, to be fair.

We don't know when that picture is from, but the picture on the patio before he shot people, that's the one that I find, unless he's wearing a mask, I mean, like really a, look at that. It's a rubber mask. I heard he was wearing like, not a rubber mask, but some sort of a tights over his head.

All right, rubber mask, Susan says, okay. All right, well that looks like a rubber mask. Latex mask. The thing about this is bearing in mind, that's going to add into his head. So by comparison, it'll make his body look a little leaner. It's on a ring. He doesn't look particularly massive in that mugshot.

But then the issue is he's allegedly married. He's married to this person named Jennifer Belter, whether or not it's the same one who interned with Tim Walz. Show me evidence it's a different woman and I will gladly put that on blast. He's got five kids and apparently he lives in this property with two roommates, two other men roommates. One of whom says, we never discussed politics, but he was a Trump supporter and told me that he voted for Trump with no other information or evidence

other than that. This guy is the so-called roommate. Wearing a Papa John's shirt and reading a text message off his phone. I knew nothing about this, but I can't show it to the journalists and I'm not reading it again because it takes too long. knew nothing about this, but I can't show it to the journalists and I'm not reading it again because it takes too long. So nothing about this makes sense. But I don't know how fast Caleb can pull up a tweet where I pulled a video from Tim

Walls, which has gone viral now of a couple of weeks ago saying, you know, Democrats, we need to get meaner and we need to get nastier. And then this type of violence happens. So despite all of the hyperbolic, inflammatory, violence-inducing rhetoric from the Democrats, they try to come out after an attack like this in a state like Minnesota of a guy who is a Waltz appointee and say it's a far-right extremist. The Republicans and the conservatives are the violent ones here. I don't believe it for a second, but the bottom line is none of this story makes any sense. There was discussion of a manifesto and now the authorities are saying there was no manifesto.

There were just hundreds of pages of writings and lists and hit lists and whatever, which sounds like a manifesto, which they haven't released yet. And whenever they don't release a manifesto, typically it's because what's in that manifesto doesn't tow the line that they want to tow in terms of narrative. It's under the Minnesota state control for now. The feds have placed some charges. So it's a cluster F of a situation and one does not know what I know. What I think what's again back to I don't know what you're here. It is.

Here's the video. Look at this. We can't hear it. Can we? There we are. Yeah, I can't hear it. You might have to get audio anyway. You get to take Viva's word hear it. He might have changed the audio. Anyway, I'll take Viva's word for it.

That's what he's saying. Get meaner, get nastier, get more violent. And I don't understand that any leader saying that to me, it seems like they're inciting trouble. But do we know, was he with his family recently, this guy? I mean, or has he been estranged from his family? Because it all smacks of mental health stuff, right? All the rantings on the writings and then the violence,

it just smacks of it. You don't know about that, but then also I almost forgot to mention this mild detail. His wife was pulled over by the cops for a perimeter check in the area and she was in the car with other family members and they had cash, ammo and passports. I mean, it's-

And the governor's speaking out on that. Well, maybe it's time for us to be. Oh, the governor's being mean and the governor's speaking out on that. Well, maybe it's time for us to be a little meaner. Maybe it's time for us to be a little more fierce. Oh, it was the appointment. And it's the same. It's the same Vance Belter. The guy posted on LinkedIn that his update was looking for work because apparently his

NGO got defunded. It's a whole bizarre thing. What the heck is this guy even doing in the Democratic Republic of Congo? It's not anybody who goes out there to do work with the government of the DRC and then he's flying back to DC. There are layers to this onion. And I think we've only peeled past the brown dry skin and we're gonna get to the juicy flesh of the onion

in the days to come, if there's transparency in this. But I appreciate they're in there. Now they're preparing the prosecution. So they're gonna be more tight-lipped. Well, Caleb, Viva, I am sort of at once enticed by and disgusted by your description of how it's going to, how we're going to proceed to get to the juicy center of this human being, but so be it.

He deserves our ire, that's for sure, no matter what was motivating him. Listen, you've been very kind with your time. You were so patient with us, but I'm going to wrap this up a little bit early and people should be following Viva on at on X, the Viva Fry, F-R-E-I, vivafry.com,

rumble, Viva Fry, where else? vivabarnslocals.locals.com. Tell me where else. vivabarnslocals.locals.com. But if you Google Viva Fry, you'll get all the articles and all the fun stuff where I get mentioned and mischaracterized as a far right influencer.

Such a terrible, such a terrible influencer. Is that what you are? You're a far right influencer, what's that thing? Thank him for all the raids. What? Raids. Oh yes, you've been delivering rumble raids to our show. We really appreciate that.

Those have been very- Like your people. Yeah, your people are our people. Ev really appreciate that. Those have been very- Are your people. Yeah, your people are our people. Evidently, I must be a right-wing extremist too, because that's what you are. Well, I'm just going to say, from a very selfish perspective, I'm glad you had the tech issue and no one can blame me.

Because whenever I have a tech issue, everyone's like, Viva's- Sorry, no, no problem waiting and it's good. You know what? I know what you're saying. And listen, the greatest moment of my life, well, one of the most interesting moments of my life is I sat in for Larry King a couple of times.

I got to actually host the Larry King show while he was on vacation. And the first time I was scared shitless. And I had a, we started going, they just hammered into me how it was, you know, the satellite feeds were had to be exactly to the second. And I had four satellite feeds from all over the world. I was talking to people from all over the place,

each with a different delay. And the delays were separate from the video delays. The auto delays and the video delays were different. And all of a sudden the stage manager jumps into the stage and goes, we're off the air. The entire CNN satellite system failed. Never in history has this happened. And I thought to myself,

I thought to myself, I thought to myself, well, the absolute worst thing just happened and it had nothing to do with me. So, Viva, I know how you're feeling. So, there it is. And I was much calmer after that. Yeah, it happens. It's technology, it's great when it works,

and sometimes it just doesn't. Tell me just really quick, before I let you go, what are you guys going to be focusing on? Viva Barnes. Well, because we're Iran thing Barnes is he's got a bunch of great tapes on it. He replied to a JD Vance tweet and Barnes's insight are amazing. Supreme Court decisions are coming down this week to be expected of the of the nationwide injunctions. The SCOTUS is expected to rule on it. And it's an amazing thing like this. Yeah, there's too much to catch up on,

but Sunday night we do our best to come. Yeah. And so next time I talk to you, it'll be another, yet another new world we will be entering. So thank you, my friend. We'll talk soon. Pleasure. See you soon. Cheers. Mark Chenkezi up notes.

The book is, put it up there, Caleb. You can follow Mark on X at Mark Chenkezi, C-H-A-N-G-I-Z-I, motorcycle mind is the book. There it is. Amazon, of course, where you can get it. Let's see what else. He's got another, I'll have to find out what this is. I'm not sure what that is, but I follow Mark on X.

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not worry about bleeding all over the place. This has been working beautifully. And I can get on and keep traveling. That's brilliant, and thank you, Drew. Where's Dr. Drew? Where is he? Dr. Drew. Dr. Drew.

But I didn't use anything else on my wound, except that hypochlorous acid, the active skin repair. That was a great experience, interesting experience with that product, as well as with our granddaughters using it. The link I was curious about is called freex.group, where you can get Mark's first book, Expressly Human, at a discount,

and it's signed, I believe believe if I'm getting that right otherwise follow mark on x mark chankeze and then go get the book motorcycle mind mark welcome back thank you for being here that's great to be here so listen um I'm having a cognitive crisis of some type where since we last spoken I have learned clearly that virtually everything on the media is some version of bullshit and it's hard to find out you know to try to ascertain what's real what isn't but I accepted that I can trust none of it but now I've started thinking I can't even tell who the good guys and who the bad guys are anymore, which is kind of a cognitive construct in and of itself.

But I'm struggling with who to support, who to take issue with. At times of real uncertainty, it gets very confusing. Now, is that a cognitive distortion on my part, or is that the nature of confusing times? Well, this is actually something that comes up or is that the nature of confusing times? Well, this is actually something that comes up in, you know, my book before last was expressly human. And this is on the origins of emotional expressions,

but it's also the origins of, you know, free speech itself and the function of expression. And so this is really a problem, not with your own mind, but with communities and, you know, groupthink and trying to understand what groupthink means. And that was one of the greatest experiences that we had and morals that we had during COVID was watching in real time what typically we attribute to happening in Nazi Germany or in, you know, Islamic Republic of Iran and the during the revolution or cultural revolution in China.

Those kinds of extreme group things when they happen, happen to those weird people, not us Westerners, right? But what happens at the group level is much more severe than when you come up with justifications after the fact for why you stole the cookies, let's say. You can come up with some kinds of justifications. But when communities come up with justifications, they're incredibly stronger because they're undergoing an evolutionary process over time, which, so for example, in March and April of 2020, no one wore masks. Don't wear a mask was what they told you. But pretty soon, if you wanted to show that you were a really good person in the COVID cult,

you wore a mask, you wore a mask in the car. It was a membership signal. And that membership signal works as a membership signal because it's a pretty freaking ridiculous thing to do. All right? But things like that don't remain membership signals. They get justified in the community over time because certain smart people come up with justifications and the good justification spread.

And then more and more justifications will spread and those people receive more and more reputation. They become more revered within the community and rewarded by it. So within two months, there was 100 observational studies that showed, beyond a doubt, well, these were not RCTs, they were all crappy studies, but they were very good studies in the sense that they were convincing to minds, right? They were really convincing to people's minds that masks worked. And it's that kind of level of selecting at the group level, it's selecting for really good arguments as far as minds are concerned. And they're good arguments in the sense that they motivate you

to spread that information to somebody else. And so you'll end up with suites of post-hoc justifications for things that your sociopolitical community believes for no good reason at all. And those arguments will be really good arguments in the sense that they really do appear to be backed up. And one of the interesting things about COVID is that we watch this happen in real time, and the crazy happen in real time. And then you start to wonder, well, how much of the other stuff

that we've learned about all the times in history were in fact shaped by these kinds of socio-political physics that creates and bubbles up these justifications for these things that aren't based on actual fact, they're just selected for because they really work on minds over time. And so that's the kind of things that we talk about in Expressly Human and in trying to understand how the decentralized currency of reputation, which is kind of like Bitcoin and how it has to, the way it has to work has a lot of properties like Bitcoin and Bitcoin I said let me tell you that the similarity between Bitcoin Bitcoin is a decentralized currency. There's no

There's no a ledger in a bank that says how much Bitcoin I have and how much Bitcoin you have and so What if I suddenly give Drew Bitcoin? It's not just recorded some places It's distributed throughout the network and the same thing is true for reputation. If I say really douchebaggy stuff to you in an argument and I lose, then there's no central reputation bank that says, Mark said something really stupid and now we should, you know, it's decentralized across the community. And it ends up with similar kinds of phenomena that we find in Bitcoin.

Once you've built this blockchain, which records the history of who gave what Bitcoin to who, it's almost impossible to overturn that history. I mean, and hopefully it's usually true for Bitcoin, but for socio-political communities, they can create narratives which are kind of like these blockchains over time, which are false. And once they're false, they remain believed by everybody practically forever. And they're unbreakable in the same mathematical ways and they're unbreakable in the same mathematical ways as they're unbreakable for blockchain.

So it's trying to understand much of what we believe is based on these sorts of dynamics, not based on a bunch of scientists aspiring to the truth and putting forth hypotheses and testing them in the hypothetical deductive method. That's not in fact what drives most of what we believe. Yeah. So this is in some sense explaining, going towards explaining why at least your eyes are open that, you know, you shouldn't necessarily believe the narratives that are floating around

you, especially the one in the community that you're sitting in. And yet you're telling me a story that makes me, I don't know, sad isn't a, it's maybe too strong a word, but if that's how we are, and it's unbreakable, you've also taught me a law that just rings in my head constantly. It's one of the sources of my confusion, which is that social evil is always done in the name of good. And so you better be very clear about good, because you may well perpetrate a social evil

in the name of said good if you're not careful. And God knows reporting your neighbors for barbecues and not wearing a mask, those people would be the prison guards in 1930. But that notion of evil in the name of good and then the blockchain so-called narratives being unbreakable, what do we do with this? How do you address it? Well, I mean, these things come up a lot in my YouTube series and also come up in the book. I mean, the only solution we really have is free expression, because over time, all that we can hope for is that there's communication across the socio-political network.

Hopefully there's more than one bubble, and those bubbles have some degree of currency that they care about the other person's currency, because one problem with these communities is that your currency means nothing to me so if I go and have an actual argument with you and actually win then I Get a big share of your currency that no one in my community cares about because it has no cache in my community So this is like, you know a bunch of rabbits and there's a bunch of dogs and I've got you know I only want to do stuff for carrots But the dogs don't have any carrots to give me. And so, you can't communicate unless you start to have something that you can trade so they can at least set an exchange rate.

In some cases, there's just no exchange rate because no one's interested. There's no volume of transactions going back and forth. So, you need to have free expression and you need to also, yourself and everybody around you, you need to push the idea of tolerance for the views that you don't like. And with tolerance comes willingness to potentially engage with them. And that engagement can be motivated from your point of view in humiliating them. That's fine.

Humiliation isn't cancellation. Humiliation is the natural byproduct of you winning an argument and wanting to win the argument so that you can win their reputation and their reputation matters because it raises you up in your own community. Yeah, I get that. And yet I look at, I've been wildly studying history

trying to figure out our present moment. And when I look at history, and I look at these unbreakable blockchain narratives, let's call them, they usually don't stop without some real serious implosion or violence, whether it's the reign of terror in Napoleon, or whether it's Nuremberg trials, or something real firm has to step in.

And I know you're advocating for tolerance and speech and kind of that's the way it works in the scientific community really when you get right down to it. Is it naive to think that it'll work with the rest of us or you have good faith that that's how it will, as long as we have free speech, we have the solution? As long as we have free speech, we have the solution.

Well, I mean, it requires a kind of cultural maturity that has changed over time. The way that we, the bare bit of respect we have for free expression now is tremendous compared to what it was 100 years ago and is actually relatively strong compared to almost anywhere else in the world. And this kind of tolerance for viewpoints that you disagree with, I think, is it can evolutionarily continue to progress.

And it just takes, it takes, you know, constant education in this regard. These kinds of sorts of liberal, this is one of dozens and dozens of liberal, classical liberal sorts of ideals that are hard to learn. They go against our nature. So I have no reason to think that this is not something that we're all getting better at over time. And that we'll always have trouble with it, but I think every generation has to be beat into them.

And it's potentially the case that maybe we can come up with mechanisms that make this easier. Personally, the mechanism that I've always lived with that helps me is that even as a scientist, I was aloof. I actually argued, I gave all of these sorts of arguments to my students. I'm a scientist, but I move from field to field. I'm a theorist.

I can't just stay in one field. I'm not an experimentalist who comes up with clever controls. I do grand unifying theories, and then I move to another field. I've been in more than a dozen and a half fields and I have big grand unifying theories. I'm never going to discover anything else in those fields and I knew that if I showed up to conferences and started to be there and become the big wig at these small conferences,

I'm never going to want to leave. You love that. The young guys are like, oh, there's Dr. Chang-Yi, he's so cool at base because you have a little bit of gray and they think you're cool. Then the girls are batting their eyes. Everybody thinks you're the you know, that stuff humans love, but all it does is make you only value the questions that that community values. And you think that all the other communities, questions and issues are ridiculously stupid. So I've always remained aloof socially, because I

knew it helped me as a scientist. And I think for all that I know, it helped always remained aloof socially because I knew it helped me as a scientist. And I think for all that I know, it helped me remain aloof during COVID because I am just as social and susceptible to groupthink as everybody else. It's just that I think I'm a little bit more aware of how susceptible that I am, that I have tried to remain aloof both politically and and scientifically and that's one reason potentially that I was able to see You know, it's a seed and does it see it as a mass hysteria as a as a fact was Yeah, a massive collective psychosis of sorts, but I do want to ask your opinion you are of Iranian descent I want to get your opinion objective opinion are of Iranian descent. I want to get your opinion, objective opinion about what's going on there.

Because again, I can't, I don't seem to have the frame of reference to make a good assessment or a good, call it the way, in a way that it, that I have judgment to do so. It would be very arbitrary in terms of, from me saying, I think this is the right thing to do. But just have a quick question before we get to that.

Hold on, hold on. Is, you said you, I knew you did physics and then you did psychology. You've been more fields than just that? Or when you say you've been in a dozen fields, are those fields within these two big disciplines? Well, yeah, within the cognitive and evolutionary and biological and sort of cultural sciences,

I've worked on, you know, 16 very different kinds of sub-fields and I'm a physics mathematician. I have some papers in math, but most of my papers are in sort of applied to biology and evolution and cultural evolution. I got it, okay. All right, and thus, again, people need to listen to Mark carefully when he talks,

as he's framing this as an evolutionary process, both culturally and I think loosely biological, because that follows. But let's talk about Iran if you don't mind. And I'm just curious on your thoughts. I don't know if Trump is the right guy for this job. I don't know if Israel's run amok. I don't know if we should be anywhere near any of this.

I just am very confused. I did see the former King of Iran step in and said I'll be with you soon, which I found ironic on the heels of a no King day, but now a King's going to solve the problems. But I just wanted to get your thoughts on all this. Well, look, setting aside what to do,

let's be, it's unambiguous. The vast majority of Iranians is ecstatic to see the mullahs being pummeled. They want to see the mullahs taken out. So this is not some situation where people should doubt that, like, oh no, now the Iranians are against Israel and the United States. What do you see on the streets of waving their fists? What's the percentage? Yeah, we see all that. We see the death to America stuff.

But is it, I understand everyone here very much would like to see the Mullahs fall, but in Iran, is it 20%, 50%, 80%? I know they have to be very quiet, so it must be a hard thing to assess. Yeah, I mean, I can't give you actual numbers, but my family's in Iran and my wife's family's in Iran, and hundreds of other folks that I follow that are Iranians, the vast majority, I would say, between 70

to 90 percent. And all that it takes in a country is 10 percent of organized, righteously cult-like figures that keep people in check. And these people are organized and they, in a totalitarian way, enforce the Islamic rules bottom up on the streets and they snitch on their neighbors. And that's, and you know, they've hung thousands of people just in the last few years. So people are afraid, people are still afraid.

They still haven't lost control of the streets yet. But no question, the vast majority are happy to see the pummeling. So what the right thing to do is, you know, I think the right thing from my point of view is it's not the job of Israel to do a regime change. It's their job to finish the war and the Molas are now finding out and it's their job to defang. And they've already really accomplished most of that in the first two days days, but they're gonna fully defang them and the hope is that the Iranians on their own Find you know the folks on the ground and a lot of these folks have been I presume There's a whole some of these easy easy Iranian

Leaders were killed on the ground with with machine gunfire apparently so this is there's a lot of networks of Iranians on the ground and With I'm sure, relationships with people in the military, with leadership capabilities that have just kept their mouths shut because if they opened it, they'd be dead. And the hope is that between that and a temporary king, a shah showing up for a very short period of time just in transition, the hope would be that there could be democracy there. But again, that's not the aim. That's not the justification. And one of the weird things

watching this was that because it could be the case that there's a cherry on top, that the Iranians are liberated, it could be the case. That's not the justification. But the mere fact that that could be an outcome, 10%, 90% chance, who knows, seem to be enough to push people over the edge and say, well, we shouldn't be doing this, because that means this is all about liberating the Iranian people. And we know that that kind of regime change, that's not what this is about. This is a war that the mullahs started on 10-7 and setting aside the other decades of there being an enemy of the West, this started on 10-7. They fucked around, they used their proxies to start a war, which they purposely started

via a genocide, and then they proceeded to, you know, missiles from all sides and all their proxies, and then proceeded to send nearly a thousand ballistic missiles up. This is a war that they are already in, and Israel's finishing the job. It would be great if the Iranians end up liberated and rise up and make that happen. But the mere fact that that could happen doesn't make this suddenly immoral. That's a potentially extra thing, but it's not the motivation, it's not the justification. I want to just point out too, you mentioned having a shah come in for a brief period of time.

I want to remind people that, although Machiavelli has a bad rap, his piece, The Prince, was not because he thought The Prince was the best form of government. He thought it was a necessary evolutionary stage in government when things are unstable, and then ultimately The prince stabilizes things

and then you bring in, you usher in a republic. That was actually his construct. It's just the prince became famous for, because it's sort of extraordinary. And he wrote it for, if I remember right, Chaser Aborja, he sort of, that's who it was designed for to sort of glorify a prince that he was, I think, getting money from at the time.

But his notion was the function of a strong prince was to stabilize an unstable situation so that you could evolve, so you can evolve, evolve to a republic. This episode is brought to you by Dazon. For the first time ever, the 32 best soccer clubs from across the world are coming together to decide who the undisputed champions of the world are in the FIFA Club World Cup. The world's best players, Messi, Holland, Kane and more are all taking part.

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Are you up for making any predictions? Because you've already shifted my thinking a little bit because again, you come from a place of knowledge and I just have a complete black box. And I want to tell you, I was telling Viva, I've learned now I do not trust media, I do not trust anything, I'm just completely like, I'm standing back and assessing at all times and skeptical of everything I see and hear.

That's the world we live in now, but it's okay. But I do feel like you come from a place of knowledge and connection to the reality of on the ground there. Do you have any predictions? No, I know enough about how these things go and how difficult it is that 10% to 30%, you know, we don't know the exact numbers. This is like called the trillion dollar question of society.

Very small numbers of people can keep totalitarianism going forever. It's even though 90%, you know, are not part of it, they're not organized. And so it can be a bottom up control. And that's what totalitarianism is. People often think that totalitarianism is authoritarianism, so controlled that they can top down, control everything.

No, that's not what... Totalitarianism is decentralized authoritarianism and it's done by sufficient numbers of people on the street. And those sufficient numbers can be actually fairly small. It's all it takes because they're organized and they're dangerous and the others are afraid I'm going to reframe my question a little bit just because i'm curious about these things is trump the right guy for this job I I think so. I think that the he's been unambiguous in terms of the the the main thrust which is that they really can't be

allowed to have nuclear weapons. And I think that in this case, he's just using that as one excuse. I agree with Viva Frye. Ultimately, that's not the justification here either. The justification is nuclear weapons. It, of course, colors the situation. The justification is the M the Malas started a war and Israel is finishing it.

Mark, I appreciate your patience and your time and your sharing your thoughts with us here. Tell us about the book before I let you go, Motorcycle Mind. Yeah, Motorcycle Mind, you know, it comes on the back of, you know, I've got sixth, this is my seventh book. I've got 30 years as a cognitive scientist understanding why we see the way we do.

You can see my Ted talks understanding why we see the way we do. You can see my TED Talks on why we see illusions, brain-indified theory of illusions, why we have color vision, why your eyes face forward. It's actually about seeing more in the forest, it's kind of x-ray vision. Color vision is an empath sense. Why we came to have music, how did music culturally evolve to sound like a human evocatively moving in your midst? It's sort of unpacking why things are designed the way they are, why you see the way you

do or why even cultural things evolved to fit us and how all these kinds of things work. So when I started riding a motorcycle five years ago, as that kind of person with that kind of background of unpacking the design and culture or the natural world, I started to understand the experience of the ride and how it transforms a rider and the bike into one beast, very specific neuroscientific senses. You become one with it, and both emotionally, and your motor capabilities are one with it in ways that don't happen in a car.

So for example, I can go, I have videos of me, I can move down the street and I can just be turning and whizzing like this. And now, no part of me is moving. I'm not taking part of my body, like this, if I had to move this arm by lifting it, using my other arm to move it, it would mean that this arm is not part of my body. It would be like, you know, handicapped or something.

It's numb, it's not part of my body. Anything, you know, turn a knob, everything in the world that you use your body to move those things, those things aren't you. And in a car, when you rotate the steering wheel, you're moving your body to move that thing. That thing ain't you. A motorcycle, once you understand counter steering and the way that we actually do it, I just hold absolutely still. I'm not, there's nothing. I'm in fact providing some slight pressure and that pressure alone, just like pressure on a muscle inside my body, which pulls on a bone, which makes my leg move or

my arm move, that pressure alone makes the whole 600 pound bike lean and stay and turn. I didn't move. I'm absolutely rigid. And this is just one of a half a dozen ways in which you become neuroscientifically one with the motorcycle. And it helps explain why we motorcyclists, it's often life changing and it seems like a, it's kind of a weird thing. It's just a guy has a big bike with an engine, but it really taps into much deeper stuff, both emotionally, because you're actually communicating through the engine of the bike and emotionally your emotions are in the engine of the bike and terms of its drivetrain and the RPMs relative to your speed, all of these things in fact have the same emotional expressiveness that we have in our normal

emotional expressions as I talk in that book, The Express of the Human, I talked about before. So it's much deeper than motorcyclists ever really understood. So the motorcyclists when they really go, oh, that's why I love it this way, or oh, this is why speed does this to me. So it's filled with these sorts of insights that only someone with an expertise such as this that I have after all these years would write about. Although the way you describe it,

I imagine it would be similar to the experience of flying if you were a bird. You're just making these slight almost non-movements and you know, it's, you're still. Well, the difference is even at a bird, I mean, they're actually modulating their ailerons or whatever the word might be, you know, the equivalent of, they're actually modulating those. They'd be small modulations,

but the analogy would be like you're on a horse. You don't have to, you don't pull the reins. You just, if your hands are on it, just imagine, you just slightly push pressure on it and the horse will know that, oh, he's putting slight pressure there. That means go right. You're not actually moving anything. You're just providing, there's a touch sensitivity that you end up, the physics of a bike at speed gives you what is in effect a nervous system to the bike that comes for free from the physics, yet there's no in fact nervous system there at all. Really interesting. Well Mark, we appreciate

you being here. Mark Cianchisi on X, follow him there. Anywhere else people should find you? I've got YouTube, which they've censored me. And so, you know, but I'm on YouTube under the same name and Instagram and there's the motorcycle mind at Instagram, also at Instagram devoted to the motorcycle mind. And the Ted talks. Thank you for being here, my friend. I hope to talk to you again soon. All right, great to be here.

Cheers. And if I could just shine a little light on what he was saying there about the evolutionary perspective on these things. When you're a biologist, in particular the depth that he is sort of embedded in this material, the answer to every question is, what is the evolutionary forces that brought this?

What is the adaptation? What is the issue that it solved? And that's the answer to every question in biology. Not what does this do? How did it get here? It's what did it solve? What were the adaptive pressures on the biological system? And then I'm sure Mark has ways to work the math out.

There's actually mathematical ways of showing how we evolve. So this notion of is there evolution is sort of an odd concept if you're a biologist. So coming up, Caleb, do you have a guest list for us here? There we are. Susan's going to be calling out tomorrow. It's going to be a very interesting show. Is Cindy going to join us? Cindy Kaysa? That's what I'm calling out tomorrow, it's going to be a very interesting show. Is Cindy going to join us?

Cindy Quesa? That's what I'm hearing. Oh, she's going to try to grab a mic here. I hope so. Okay. Sam Cooper and Alex Michelson, we're going to talk about the craziness in Los Angeles. She's like, okay, let's move on.

Because is it Cindy coming tomorrow? Is that the plan? Yeah, she is. Okay, well then. I think, if we can get our audio to work and our video. Oh, that's what you're worried about. Okay, 11 a.m. Pacific time. And Sam Cooper and Alex Michelson for me tomorrow.

We're going to have us talk about some research. Jeffrey Tucker swinging by on Thursday, which is awesome, Joe Allen. Professor Sam Vaknin is another physicist and psychologist, but he was in a much more dynamic personality-driven analysis. So we're going to talk about that. And we appreciate you all being here today.

I'm watching you on the rants. I'm watching you on the restream and your comments have been very interesting and your engagement is appreciated. And thank you for- I'm having more than one psychic tomorrow. Okay. There's three.

Oh, wow. Who can you say? Eddie, you know, Eddie Connor. He's our Eddie Connor soul. And we're also having the fairy lady. And Cindy. And Cindy. Yes.

I'm sorry. There's another one. Okay. Well, it's going to be a lot of my, my expectation is, there they are. My expectation is there's going to be a lot of, my expectation is, there they are. My expectation is there's going to be a lot of people. Right, that's your name. That's Lori, yeah.

A lot of expectation. You see AI Trump, Israel Diddy. There's a lot of speculation about what's coming in the world, which is at a time of uncertainty, people really like to hear those things. That's what I told Susan. I said, you know, this is really uncertain times.

People, Mary Todd Lincoln gravitated to all this during the Civil War. Did you see that ex post with Tulsi Gallagher talking about the nuclear bomb? Was that old? It is old. I feel like that's old. But there's all kinds of funny business going on there. Too much we can discuss off the air because there's all kinds of speculation about why she wasn't in the security council meeting

and blah, blah, blah. So I don't know. What do I know? She's busy. I appreciate Mark Cianchisi giving us some insight today because it helped me clarify my thinking. I've been very unsettled with the way things are going. He helped me feel a little better about it.

I always appreciate people like Scott Adams that helped me clarify why things are the way they are. And Mark has been a part of that for me today. Viva, of course, as always, we appreciate him and his thoughts. Follow him, watch them, watch these guys. Viva Barnes, go see that show, go see Viva Fry. And we will be here tomorrow at two o'clock Pacific time. And Susan at 11 Pacific time. We'll see you then. Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Caleb Nation and Susan Pinsky. As a reminder, the discussions here are not a substitute for medical care, diagnosis or treatment.

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