Ask Dr. Drew - Whose Biolab Made COVID-19: China’s Wuhan Institute Of Virology or USA’s UNC Chapel Hill? Dr. Li-Meng Yan Debates Dr. Clayton Baker – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 487

Episode Date: May 31, 2025

Whose lab created SARS-CoV-2? Virologist Dr. Li-Meng Yan says it was “all China.” But Dr. Clayton Baker insists US biolabs at UNC Chapel Hill played a role. A new Brownstone report points at “US virologist Ralph Baric” and alleges damning details that indicate he “engineered the Covid-19 virus SARS-CoV-2 in his lab at the University of North Carolina as part of his work in connection with the 2018 DEFUSE funding proposal” first leaked by “Major Joseph Murphy, an employee of US military research agency DARPA, in the summer of 2021…” Dr. Li-Meng Yan is a Chinese virologist with an MD from Central South University and PhD in ophthalmology from Southern Medical University. She hosts The Voice of Dr. Yan on America Out Loud Radio Network and is best known for publishing claims that SARS-CoV-2 originated in a Chinese lab. More at https://x.com/DrLiMengYAN1 Dr. Clayton Baker, an internal medicine physician, has over 25 years in clinical practice. He served as Clinical Associate Professor at the University of Rochester from 2012 to 2018. His work appears in the Journal of the American Medical Association and the New England Journal of Medicine. He authored The Medical Masquerade and contributes to Brownstone Institute. More at https://x.com/cjbakermd 「 SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS 」 Find out more about the brands that make this show possible and get special discounts on Dr. Drew's favorite products at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/sponsors⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠  ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • ACTIVE SKIN REPAIR - Repair skin faster with more of the molecule your body creates naturally! Hypochlorous (HOCl) is produced by white blood cells to support healing – and no sting. Get 20% off at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/skinrepair⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • FATTY15 – The future of essential fatty acids is here! Strengthen your cells against age-related breakdown with Fatty15. Get 15% off a 90-day Starter Kit Subscription at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/fatty15⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • PALEOVALLEY - "Paleovalley has a wide variety of extraordinary products that are both healthful and delicious,” says Dr. Drew. "I am a huge fan of this brand and know you'll love it too!” Get 15% off your first order at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/paleovalley⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • THE WELLNESS COMPANY - Counteract harmful spike proteins with TWC's Signature Series Spike Support Formula containing nattokinase and selenium. Learn more about TWC's supplements at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twc.health/drew⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ 「 MEDICAL NOTE 」 Portions of this program may examine countervailing views on important medical issues. Always consult your physician before making any decisions about your health. 「 ABOUT THE SHOW 」 Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Kaleb Nation (⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://kalebnation.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠) and Susan Pinsky (⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/firstladyoflov⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠e⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠). This show is for entertainment and/or informational purposes only, and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Well, today we're gonna have a little friendly debate about the source of the virus, the Wuhan lab virus, so to speak. Clayton Baker is in here, has written this book, which I recommend most highly. It's published by the Brownstone Institute and I really enjoyed reading it. We're gonna talk about that. He's a colleague and it was interesting watching his thinking unfold in real time in this book. That's the way I felt it kind of plays itself out. And we're having Dr. Li Meng Yan back again.

She can be followed on X, D-R-L-I-M-E-N-G-Y-A-N-1. Dr. Li Meng Yan won. She has been a very outspoken critic of the Wuhan lab and the source of the virus. And she was someone who was a virologist and a physician and worked in a lab, a bio lab in Hong Kong and started raising questions about this very virus and was threatened with being disappeared.

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So as I said, I'll have my colleague, Clayton Baker in here in a second. He's an internist and he's been, he was a teacher of internal medicine as I was myself. And I want to hear his thoughts as they unfolded. You can find it in this book. I recommend it most highly, The Medical Masquerade. But first I want to talk to Dr. Li Ming Yan. You can follow her on XDRLI,

M-E-N-G-Y-A-N-1. Dr. Yan, thank you for joining us. Hi, Dr. Zhu. Nice to see you again. Great to see you as well. So you were a virologist, you were a physician, you did medicine, straight medicine, you did ophthalmology, you got a PhD in ophthalmology, then you started working in a virology lab in Hong Kong and give people a brief sketch of what happened to you there. Okay, so briefly I finished my PhD and MD training in China. I gained the medical doctor license in China

and then I pursued a better academic career. So I moved to the University of Hong Kong and after that I became the post-doc fellow in the top one ranked by Elsevier, the top one coronavirus lab in the world. The lab I worked in, WHO reference lab in School of Public Health of University of Hong Kong. And then since the end of 2019, I was secretly appointed by my supervisors, the WHO expert, Dr. Neil Pong, to investigate, secretly investigate what happened in Wuhan through my own network. So my network involved from China CDC had called office George Fugel's team to Wuhan

labs, to Wuhan hospitals, to military labs. So very quickly the feedback I got is WHO actually was cheated initially and then later corrupted with China to cover up what happened in Wuhan. And the virus, coronavirus, which caused the pandemic later, was not from the nature, was not caused by accident in the lab. In fact, it was caused by the military civil fusion Chinese covert program of unrestricted bio weapons.

And it was intentionally get out of the lab and released into the community in Wuhan to infect certain people and later cause the out of control and the outbreak. So I have a couple questions so you were if I recall correctly you were working on the coronavirus backbone that was a eventually the same same virus as in Wuhan which is, you were working on the coronavirus backbone that was eventually the same virus as in Wuhan, which is why you were selected to ask questions, correct? No, I didn't touch the backbone

and I didn't work on the COVID-19 virus until it was released and caused the outbreak. But from my knowledge and my network and intelligence I got, I quickly identified that the backbone was coming from the military lab in Nanjing Corman. It was discovered and uniquely owned by People's Liberation Army from Zhou Shan Islands and it's called Zhou Shan Bat coronavirus, they say 45 and another train like coronavirus they actually 21 only China Chinese military have these backbones. So your opinion was the work in North Carolina by Dr. Daszak did not have a direct relationship with what went on in Wuhan. Is that accurate?

We need to define direct. The first thing is China is a dictator country and it's a communist country, so they don't trust the foreigners, especially if they are not the international communists. So people like Ralph Baric, most likely if they are not international communists, then they are useful idiots. And secondly, these people like Rav Baric or Peter Daszak, they know they help Chinese government to discover, they develop this kind of gain of function weaponized virus

because they can see the technology and also the collaborations between them and the Chinese military civil labs. But because they are not allowed to touch the core part in the program, so they are used more likely to spread misinformation, cover up, and gain their own benefits. And before I bring Dr. Baker in, which I will in just a second, just one last thing I want to

get clear on your history. I thought I remember that when you looked into your network and you started evaluating what was going on at Wuhan, you started asking questions that were troubling and they then called you off essentially and said, hey you don't stop you're going to be disappeared. Tell us that piece of the story. Actually even before I started this investigation the first thing the first day my boss Dr. Liu Peng told me this mission he told me face to face in his office that it was December 31st, 2019. You need to be careful. Don't touch the red line.

If you cross the red line, if you don't keep silence, you will be disappeared, and no one can help you. So my boss, Liu Peng, has involved in the SAS 1. In 2003, that investigation becomes a world-known expert. So he knows what he was talking to me. And after that, I was repeatedly warned by Liu Peng and also actually by other bosses like Malik Peres in my team, so my husband.

And also from that time to now, since I have become the whistleblower, I'm under the continuous fox hunting operation conducted by the Chinese Communist Party. You dropped something in there. I'm not sure we all knew what that meant. What is a fox hunting? Basically China called that is an operation, transnational operation to hunt the fox,

which are their target. They claim these are the criminals, like corrupted people. Is that you? More likely, they use it to target the decedent. So I am their target, one of the top target. You're the fox. And I remember back in the day, you were starting to talk to the FBI and other organizations. Have you been able to effectively download what you know to the US government?

I have collaborated with FBI since the moment I entered the United States in Los Angeles Airport because it's not me and also DHS involved. So I gave them my evidence and that's why later FBI ex-director Lee admitted that FBI thinks that the function of origin is credible. And also I was evaluated by FBI as high credibility. And so that's why I went to the Freedom Conquest and the Congress did my testimony in 2021. Got it. All right, now I wanna switch, if you don't mind,

if you'd sit tight. Thank you for that history. I want to talk to Dr. Clayton Baker, who is the other perspective on all this. And Dr. Baker, I thought you'd find that all very interesting. I don't know if you've heard Lee Meng's point of view before, but before we go into your, if you don't mind, into your counterpoint, tell us about the book because I really did love this.

Oh, thank you very much, Drew. It's really nice of you to give me the shameless plug. So the book, Medical Masquerade, is a collection of the essays I wrote from the beginning of the COVID era until almost the present. And I did a lot of my writing for Roundstone Institute, and they were kind enough to help me compile that and annotate it in places and put it out as a

volume. So as you said, it number one kind of has an element of evolution of thought, but also has a variety of different topics relevant to COVID and the abuses thereof over time. So hopefully people will find it worthwhile and it's really something people can have out there. As I was reading it, I thought, I think there's historical significance here because it is a primary document. You know what I mean?

It was somebody living it at the moment to moment and somebody with some insight and some knowledge and thought, oh, this is gonna be an important thing. So let's just frame who you are for a second. You're an internist, you're the same as me, you're American Board of Internal Medicine certified. You taught medicine at University of Rochester. I taught medicine through USC for a long time.

I ended up teaching psychiatry through the addiction thing eventually, but I taught medicine through USC for a long time. I ended up teaching psychiatry through the addiction thing eventually, but I taught medicine for many, many years also. And were you ever an outlier in your opinions relative to your peers? Were you ever somebody that needed to be sanctioned or disciplined in any way prior to the COVID era?

No, I was pretty traditional really. I was, you know, I was always a bit independent minded, but very traditional overall. Yeah, yeah. So I'm imagining that never, because I could see your thinking and I could intuit your training and point of view and stuff.

And I thought, okay, this is, I understand. You know, bubble free record and pretty straightforward, very traditional views. I was never sent to a re-education camp at any time. Until, until, so you started putting essays. How did your peers react to all that? Well, I first got into the whole COVID kerfuffle very early on, more to do with the school

closures. I had three kids in school at the time and I saw immediately just how egregious the whole school closure situation was and just how the kids were being systematically victimized at a sort of industrial scale. And thinking what has made, Robert Zweig, or someone has put out a book just now, An Abundance of Caution, which is a great new book about all the school closures and the harms that came from that. But anyway, that was for how I cut my teeth in this.

And I was one of the people at the school board meetings as a physician, I was in high demand because nobody else would say anything where I was. Trying to say, you know, they're not doing this in other countries, they're having no problems. COVID ignores children, you got to get the schools open. It was really just banging my head against the wall.

But the teachers, but the teachers, and we need plexiglass, and the teachers, and we need gloves, and we need plexiglass. These insane things that were said. I mean, I hope people understand they were hysteria, insane, delusional, way outer space as opposed to listening to a skilled internist with years of experience going,

hmm, you weren't saying, you know, everybody go ahead and get COVID, you were saying, ah, let's be more targeted with what we're doing here. We're gonna end up hurting people, which they did. Right, and it was terrible. I mean, the toll is still there for a lot of the kids, you know, and now, oh, we have this terrible

mental health issue. We have these terrible learning losses. We have this whole generational problem aside from the vaccine toxicity. And, you know, it's the notion that this was what did it or the notion that there's some lesson to be learned just seems to escape people, just like the insanity of the whole process

while it was taking place escaped them. All right, so let's respond to Li Ming-Yuan's point of view here. She is somebody who was on the ground in China. She has a very specific point of view because of her experience and because of her trauma of being told that she will disappear if she continues to ask questions.

We'll bring all three of us are on the screen now. Go ahead and give me your case for coming out of North Carolina. Well, I would say two things. Number one, I would say that there's a ton of blame to go around. So I would be disinclined to put all the blame in one court. I think that in terms of the release

and exactly what happened on the ground in Wuhan, I don't call into question anything that Dr. LeMing is saying. And incidentally, it's very nice to meet you. I've seen you before and I admire your courage and so on. So thank you. I would say that there's a long trail though, a long paper trail, a long money trail

that goes back through, NIAID that goes through Ralph Baric's lab, that goes through the Rocky Mountain lab with Vincent Munster, and that of course goes through, Ralph, excuse me, with Peter Daszak and EcoHealth Alliance, that goes back probably to like 2004, 2005. And so I think it's,

I think that they're dangerous people and I think they may have been played to a certain extent by the Chinese authorities, but I think that they're more than useful idiots. I think that there was deliberate nature of the work that they were doing. For me, the smoking gun in the paper trail is that defuse trial, which of course was

the 2018 proposal that was sent to, I think it was sent to DARPA and was refused by DARPA by Barrick and a number of other people. And what they were looking to do was to collaborate with the Chinese, including Dr. Xi, to aerosolize coronavirus vaccines that they could administer to bats, at least ostensibly. Now, technically, DARPA turned down that requested grant but there's some evidence that people have put out a lot of it's on Substance right now people like Will Jones and Jim Haslam that Barak and Munster may have gone ahead

with this research anyway. And that this was a large part of what may have contributed to the final product virus that was the one that was deployed in Wuhan in late 2019. And Dr. Baker, I think it was, before you finished that thought, I think it was your book where I was first exposed to what happened at that Rocky Mountain lab.

And I always thought that the notion of Lyme disease being a, maybe, I'm not sure it was your book or not, but there was, I read something about what read something about what they were doing at that lab and how they named the organism that causes Lyme after the guy in the lab there in Montana. I was like, what? They actually named it after him? So then I started thinking,

I always thought that was a crazy conspiracy theory, and then I thought, oh my God, the earth is flat. Oh Christ, oh damn. Yeah, just to clarify that. Is that in your book? That's Willie Bergdorfer, Dr. Drew. And that was at the Plum Island lab in Long Island. And that's where they were working on weaponizing

Borrelia burgdorferi, which as you know, is the spirochete that causes Lyme disease. And they were weaponizing ticks to supposedly infect the Russian livestock. And the overwhelming evidence is that those ticks got out and got across Long Island Sound. If you look on the map right across Long Island Sound, you've got Lyme, Connecticut, and the rest is history.

But then later on- Yes, right there. And, by the way, and the rest is history. But then later on- Yes, right there. And, by the way, I wasn't paying attention. I always thought about Borrelia burgdorfei as a rickettsial thing, but it's really not, which is because it doesn't behave like a Borrelia. It behaves like a rickettsial illness.

Exactly. Weird. And the other thing that I was doing a little bit of background reading on that again in preparation for today's talk. And I realized that there's actually a school of thought that's very concerned that a lot of the Lyme symptoms that, you know, cause there is this long, you know, complicated tertiary Lyme kind of syndrome

that a lot of people suffer from. It may be really do more to babesiosis and Rocky Mountain spotted fever Which they were also supposedly monkeying around within that lab at the same time So it may be sort of a hodgepodge of things that people sometimes are Afflicted with when they get these deer tick bites So just crazy stuff and I would just say this is circumstantial evidence to be sure just crazy stuff. And I would just say this is circumstantial evidence to be sure, but this is just one more example

of the United States government, the United States military has a long and deplorable history of weapons research going back to World War II. And a lot of these terrible things that have happened, RSV, Lyme, as we discussed, both are basically lab accidents or lab leaks from the United States military.

So we have a proud history of afflicting the world with terrible illnesses due to our fooling around with pathogens. All right, I wanna give Dr. Jan a chance to respond to all this. Let's start with spreading the responsibility around and how you understand the people on this continent and what their contributions are to what happened in China.

Okay, thank you, Dr. Chu, and nice to meet you, Dr. Baker. So, yes, I know you mentioned the DAPAS, that rejected project from 2018. Actually, I have talked to many people who including the initial discover this document, those people who are working on investigation of COVID-19 origin. I can tell you, yeah, these are the facts,

but these facts doesn't change another fact that is China is dominant behind all these weaponized program using coronavirus and release the COVID-19 to cause the pandemic because the data passing actually is just the one part of the COVID-19 development program. And I can tell you, I'm the first, we support talking about people involved in that DAPA and other NIH-funded grounds have the military background in China,

like Dr. Lai Yingdu and Jiang Shibo, and also Fang Li from the Minnesota University and also their useful EDS collaborators like Peter Daschack and also like the Raff Baric, all these people. And the DARPA basically tell people a fact that the DARPA project that is so these scientists that try to deny any possibility of gain of function in the COVID-19 virus. But in their own proposal, they told the government that they could make the foreign language side into the coronavirus

to enhance the infection and also this kind of capacity of the virus to infect people. However, in the COVID-19 virus, let's go back to what came out from Wuhan in 2019. The first sequence released by the Chinese government through the database, the Jin Bank NIH NIH has shown the, I would say the finger point of this virus. So that tells us, the finger point tells us who's the killer in the crime scene. So in this unrestricted warfare using the unrestricted bio weapon in this crime scene, the fingerprint is the backbone of the COVID-19 virus. So that is, go back to what I just mentioned, JC-45 and the twin-string JXC-21 uniquely

discovered and owned by People's Liberation Army from 2015 to 2017. And at that time, remember, DAPA hasn't received that proposal yet. And why they are the backbone? Because in the Yan reports, I published three Yan reports from September 2020 to March 2021. No one until now can reject any evidence in the Yen reports, I can tell you. And also I have presented the evidence, the scientific evidence, why more than Furin-Karnevich site was engineered in the COVID-19 virus. Actually, even the well-known some Yunnan bat RITG13 from Wuhan lab are fabricated. The other fabricated coronavirus, COVID-like bat virus, penguin virus,

they are all published after Wuhan outbreak. And more accurately, after I revealed the ZC45 as the real backbone of COVID-19 virus through other media on YouTube in Chinese on 19th January 2020. So briefly, the JC45 show you the fingerprint of the killers and that is only China, the People's Liberation Army with the communist China government can do this. And the technology, yes, some of them come from US. Some money comes from US taxpayers. Some people work with them.

But you should know that one fact, since 40 years ago, China established a diplomatic relationship with US. That's the moment China started to grow up. So basically, now we are talking about anything. You can see that, oh, it comes from the US. Fentanyl, all this knowledge and technology, they may learn it from the US, but they use it to produce the fentanyl precursor and kill Americans. We are talking about cyber attack from China government attacking US. They learn this technology,

they even get their people trained in the US and then they steal your intellectual properties and then they attack you. You can't say that's US attacking US. I think, yes. And I think we learned recently how they're manipulating students at Stanford, and they're probably doing that at other major institutions

for this very, very ends. But I don't think you appreciate how shocking it is to the United States citizens that we were a part of this. It is shocking to us. And so when you say they're useful idiots, it's like, we're still like, what? We were involved in this and what the hell and why didn't Fauci tell us?

And we expect transparency and we don't expect all this, this intrigue and lying and bullshitting and things going, money going in various directions and then that they fell for the Chinese government's bullshit is equally as shocking to us. I feel like we, that so much of the pandemic was about our useful idiots. So as you see them and we see them as trusted experts

falling victim to people who are being manipulated by the People's Liberation Army. I've take a break here, but two things I wanted before I go to break. One, this is what physician debate looked like before COVID. After COVID it became, doctors yelling at each other is one of the shocking pieces of the chapter of COVID.

But doctors, before that, we just sit and share ideas and then debate and maybe we get a little heated about our opinions, but after COVID it became, you're a bad person if you have an opinion different than mine, or if you don't believe in the zoonotic source of COVID, you're a conspiracy theorist, something wrong with you, you're sick, you have to lose your license.

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If you want to know what those of us that were physicians who were trying to struggle with what was happening, what was happening in our brain, pretty much examined what Dr. Baker went through. And most of us that were awake during the COVID debacle were thinking along the way. I don't know if I gave you Dr. Baker's at CJ Baker, M-D-B-A-K-E-R on X

and also you can find his stuff at brownstone.org. And I said Dr. Mignon, D-R-L-I-M-E-N-G-Y-A-N-1 on X. And I'll answer the NB1.8.1. There will be variants of COVID. Some will be nastier than others. I'm sure this new one, I happen to believe very strongly, was first detected. They let it back to China, but it was detected on this continent, the LAX airport. And I noticed about six weeks ago, I was seeing a nasty variant move around this area. And I'm sure it was the NB1.8.1A. Is that the one we got in DC?

It's the one that, it might've been that one, it's definitely the one that Douglas got. Because we got it really fast. And I've used a little bit of PaxLavit, I know you guys don't like PaxLavit, and there's been a significant rebound from people I did treat with PaxLavit. There's a very characteristic rebound,

which I've not seen in about three years, which is this nasty cough that comes back about a week later. But that's, you know, we can argue about whether PaxLivid is a good thing or not, sir. My thing about PaxLivid is why are we even talking about vaccines since we have a good antiviral therapy around? Our granddaughter was in the house

and she just got a little sniffly nose. That's right, it didn't bother very much at all. Four months old. But everybody in the house got COVID, including her for sure. Okay, so here we are. We are back, we're talking about the sources of the virus. Dr. LeMagnon gave a good first-hand account

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How is that possible? We cannot, I know personally, I struggle with it and I take you at your word, but I can't get my head around it and most people can't get close to getting their head around it. So what do you tell people in this country to help them understand why a government

would do something like that? So yes, Dr. Jack, actually I was shocked. Even when I came to the US initially, I see the big obstacles. I see I was even censored in the US. So that shocked me too. But when we talk about US government and Chinese government, we need to separate because there are different,

totally different regime structure. So back to China, there is always a communist China government. And when we talk about US, we have initially 2020, the first Trump term and Biden term, and now the second Trump term. So things definitely different in the US between different administrations. And the thing is, I see people said, why is not US and China work together on the disbar weapons, suppress people?, why is not US and China work together on this power weapon, suppress people? And why should China be blamed as dominant?

Because when we talk about these criminals who committed this anti-human crime, the historic pandemic, we need to talk about different government structure. Back to China, if we want to clean these criminals, if we want to understand what happened, we want to hold the criminals accountable and prevent future such bio-attacks and unrestricted warfare to harm us. You have no way unless you end that regime from the dictator to the Leninist communist structure. However, when we talk about in the U.S., we can even in the U.S., you can do the hearing testimony against Dr. Fauci and Dr. Peter Dushack, Ralph Baric, these people, you could do

the investigation. So they have their people help them to cover up, to protect them. But still we say after five years in the US, we can manage to see the truth, but back to China, no way. They don't allow you to go there to do any investigation. And they even try to kill me with a blow overseas in the US. So the thing is we can talk about this in the US openly like now because the difference between China and the US.

So when we talk about- Hang on, hang on. I'm gonna interrupt you. I think you have to help us understand more about, again, how we still are like, well, how's that possible? I think that you have to educate us a little bit about the nature of communism and totalitarianism, which is that the only thing that matters,

there's no ethic, there's no morality, other than the survival of the communist regime, right? Nothing, nothing else exists. If it's good for the survival of the regime, it's good, period. No matter who gets hurt, no matter how they get hurt. And that's, I think, what we have trouble getting our head around, particularly since

I keep hearing that one of the great strategic problems for the Chinese government is preventing unrest and unhappiness, and are people sort of realizing that they're under the thumb of this kind of government we're describing here. How do we reconcile this with, again, a conscious release? I can't quite do it. Okay, so I say, we need to understand what's about weapon and also even a slow death rate,

but you know, high transmissibility, COVID-19 is kind of non-traditional bio weapon, right? What does it mean for Chinese Communist Party? In their own documents, they described bio weapons and also the propaganda as the poor man's nuclear weapons. You see because they don't have the equal power, powerful nuclear weapons as the US, so they develop bioweapons and using their cognitive warfare to defeat you. So that's their motives. They need to defeat you. They need to destroy you and control you. And the communist regime never cares about individuals or human natures. So that is totally an anti-human regime. Basically, when they talk about the party,

that means this party, Communist Party, train people. Either you're silent, you are obedient like the sheep, and they can do whatever to you, or you are part of the party, but they will train you to gain the party nature to replace your human nature. So then you'll become a true-true. And so that's-

That's where we can that's where we, we can't get our head around it. It's so foreign. Those ideas are so anathema to, to Western and particularly American sort of ideas. I need to switch over to Dr. Baker quickly again, if you don't mind. And I think Dr. Rieger,

you get kind of what I'm going at here. But, but what I came away from this whole experience with is centralization is the biggest problem of all. Any centralized authority, the more centralized the more authority is given, the worse it gets. As you know, absolute power corrupts, absolutely. But we saw gradations of it. And even Dr. Li Ming-Yuan just said,

she was amazed that she was censored by the US government you and I were censored too How what did you come away with yourself in terms of what was done to you in terms of your understanding about our own? Government let alone what Li Meng is telling us about the Communist Party Yeah, the lesson I took away in terms of our government from COVID was how dangerously close we came to what Dr. Li Ming is describing over in China. Now, there was more than one person who expressed admiration in our public health superstructure uh, uh, super structure during COVID about the ability of the Chinese to

simply lock down society 100%. Um, the notion of, uh, civil rights, the low notion of civil liberties seem to be null and void. I think we came very dangerously close to heading in that direction. And I think that's a real lesson. We don't have in our, we have checks and balances in our country. But I think that we came very dangerously close to losing a lot of those when you saw the degree of censorship that we underwent in the social media world. We were marginalized. I mean I was absolutely marginalized in terms of being able to

get a message out to people. You know, I had two friends who were arrested, um, during COVID who are protesting the masking and social distancing in the schools in upstate New York. Two of them, one of them for not wearing the mask properly at a school board meeting and one for not wearing a mask at a baseball game outdoors and refusing to put one on. Oh my God. So, you know, we're really not that far away.

You know, we, I had a standoff with our superintendent and he chose to eat a few other people and he chose to cancel the meeting rather than have us arrested. This is in Rochester, New York. This isn't where you would think this type of stuff was going on, but it was going on. And so we were dangerously close to something very much like a sort of a soft core version of what Dr. Li Ming describes and what she lived through in China. So I think that you have to be a little bit ungovernable after what we went through and a little bit more unwilling to simply fall in line.

I think that's an important lesson. I appreciate what she's saying, but as an American who operates under the notion that the Bill of Rights is in effect, under the notion that the Bill of Rights is in effect, how many, how many parts of the Bill of Rights were just tossed out the window during the, during the lockdowns? Certainly the, you know, to a large extent, the First Amendment was, and certainly freedom of worship, freedom of ability to assemble. This was really just torched and we have to make sure it doesn't happen again.

Well, we have a problem with our public health system in terms of its design where it could happen again. We got to get into that a little bit and I don't see any movement in that direction just yet, but I hope, I mean, I know the brownstone is keeping the heat on, so I'm hoping that eventually they'll move in that direction But I'd make I wonder if you have any questions for Li Mingyan or objections I mean we sort of put this together as a little bit of a little mini debate

Are there things that you and she disagree on you'd like to ask her about? Well, the only I think that I would defer again Defer to her on her knowledge of the Chinese Communist Party and what happened Specifically in Wuhan. I would ask her though. I think that the there's more Collaboration going on with people in the West with the Chinese than perhaps she appreciates I know that when the event 201 took place in October of that when the event 201 took place in October of 2019, which was it started this this was the tabletop exercise that Bill Gates ran and the WEF ran, yeah I think was October 18th 2019, the same day that the World Military Games were

kicking off in Wuhan and of course sometime after the virus had been released my understanding is George Gao was who's the head of the CDC in China was at that meeting now I'm sorry there's something going on there and there's a collusion going on there if one of the leading people in the Chinese government, Chinese health department head is at that meeting with people saying, how do we lock people down just in case there's a coronavirus outbreak? I think I'll let Dr. Lee Ming-Yang answer a question,

but I feel we got hoodwinked, our profession and science generally got hoodwinked. We were, I remember I was involved with some research with people in China, we just got used to London, China, same thing, no big deal, it's all the same. You know, it's the center of gravity is sort of over there. So we, you know, work with those people. We just weren't thinking about the government

or what could happen with all this. But Li Mingyan, go ahead. Okay, thank you. Yeah, I think that's very good questions. And I do agree with Dr. Baker that it was very dangerous and the US almost fall into the same level as CCP wanted to silence people and disappear people during the pandemic. So yeah, I'd say first I learned from this pandemic is that education and academic reputation doesn't, I mean cannot tell people that this person is not scumbag. So that is a fact and they also could be

the criminal and they need to be held accountable. And when we talk about George Fugall, I have met him and also when we talk about like the One Health, this kind of international kind of advocacy, transnational organization support to control the future pandemic or promote vaccines, I can tell you my ex-boss, Manny Perez, is the leading person in this one health. That's why I know most of people in the world about these things from outside. So the thing is, let's talk back to China's bioweapon program and especially COVID-19. What happened in Wuhan was not a lab accident.

I'm sure about that. And I have my intelligence about that. I can tell people first according to my experience, I worked in biosafety level 3 labs using coronavirus. I can tell you both biosafety level 3 and 4 labs cannot cause like the setting the lab animal or what kind of accident that caused outbreak. It doesn't mean there was no accident, but without government's approval, they cannot cause outbreak like what happened in Wuhan. And the government won't cover it up for the map.

And also they won't use it to cause the later pandemic. And then Xi Jinping called it as the West Falls and the Easter Rice. Also when we talk about intelligence back to the military games in Wuhan in October 2019, it was a very significant moment. Actually, we believe that very likely the outbreak in Wuhan started from that period. So our intelligence from Central Military Commission near Xi Jinping, the top military panel in China, told us that one month before the military games, China has held the military civil fusion exercises in Wuhan, Tianhe International Airport. One of the two scenarios is to tell people there was some suspicious patient from outside to join the military game. game and then when the person came to China in that airport, he was detected with new

novel coronavirus and then get treated in Wuhan. So that was the scenario. Actually, our source told us before that exercise, the military has held some meetings, secret meetings, these are known by the US experts in Wuhan, with the Wuhan Lab Institute of Virology. They're talking about whether they should use the real COVID-19 virus or some pseudo virus, which is a fake one, to infect the targets

in the military exercise. Turns out the general gave the decision with Xi Jinping's approval that using the real COVID-19 virus. That was the first recorded intelligence we know that China government allow people to bring this COVID-19 virus out of the lab and in fact a human virus out of the lab and infect a human in the community because the airport is the civil airport. Get the people infected because they want to see whether it could be under the control. So after the exercise, at the end of September 2019, China government announced the success of the military excise in that airport. And then after four weeks, when they believe there was no other dangers and no risk, Xi Jinping came to Wuhan to join the opening ceremony of the military games. And

according to the accounting based on epidemiology and other evidence, it's very likely the virus was again somehow come out in Wuhan from the end of October to early November in the community. And we also have other sources told us that the virus was intentionally released to target some ethnic in the military games. And the China government thought it was under the control. However, because they underestimate the transmissibility of the virus, so finally it caused the Wuhan outbreak outbreak and why they miscalculate

the transmissibility? I am the first author published the Nature paper in May 2020 telling why they made the mistake because they use the wrong animal model. So it was intentionally brought out of the lab and somehow caused the outbreak in Wuhan, but doesn't matter Chinese government doesn't care about their own people They think okay, which we could cover up and since I reviewed it on 19th, January Three days later they locked down Wuhan but they decided to use the opportunity to spread it all over the world. And I want to add the last thing is, great thing is we have President Trump at that time.

And my message was delivered to President Trump, Sir Peter Navarro, and then he launched the lockdown, not lockdown, travel ban at the end of January 2020 to delay the pandemic in the US and protected Americans. Dr. Ben, thank you Dr. Lin, that's a really interesting, sort of fills in a lot of the detail about that story and it's kind of very interesting.

Dr. Baker, our time here started running out a little bit. I want to switch gears very quickly to talk about long COVID. And I'm starting to get concerned about these observations about COVID knocking out or reducing efficacy or numbers of natural killer T cells. And that there's some theory that that may be where some of the cancers are coming from

if indeed there is an increase in cancer. Do you, this sort of just makes this kind of an AIDS-like illness all of a sudden. And I'm just worried about that. Do you have any of those concerned? Oh, we lost your sound somewhere. You may be muted. There you are.

Can you hear me now? Yeah. Yeah, I'm concerned you hear me now? Yeah. Yeah, I'm concerned about the cancer situation as well. Personally, I think more of it is coming from long vacs, if you will, than from long COVID. That's my personal feeling. I think that there's probably, well, there's certainly potentially two or three or maybe more mechanisms by which

the cancer increase maybe that were, that seems to be happening that I think is happening is being observed. One of them is we do know that there were bad batches of the vaccine that had larger amounts of contaminated DNA in them, which was likely a part of the problem. I do think there is also a immunosuppressive effect, which a lot of people have hypothesized as well. And as we all know,

hypothesized as well. And as we all know, we all know, everyone knows that the immune system is there to destroy pathogens that are external to the body, but we're all learning now as we all get a long, hard lesson in immunology and in physiology and pathophysiology through COVID that it's also very important in identifying early cancers and removing them from the body.

So I think that there is both the aggressive, possibly more than one immunosuppressive mechanism going on here, as well as the problem with the contaminated DNA, SB40 or otherwise, which we're seeing as well. So it's a very concerning thing. What I tell people is, look, if you got the shots, I don't recommend anymore to my patients by any means.

And if you're doing well, you're doing well. But if you're doing well, you're doing well. But if you are having symptoms, if you are finding that you have symptoms of long vacs or long COVID, seek out one of the protocols, the Independent Medical Alliance, the old FLCCC has some good options for that. Yeah, yeah. Dr. Yoganja is on the show a number of times

doing research on that. And Dr. Li Mingyang, the people that I know that are doing research on long COVID do tell me off the record that most of the long syndromes they're seeing are long vax in point of fact. So two things for you, A, do you worry about what I was just describing

where the immune system is sort of permanently effect or at least longer term affected in a way that is pernicious, number one. And number two, I know you see the People's Liberation Army's fingerprint on everything. Do you think they had some role in the premature rollout of the vaccines and the persistence and the insistence on spike producing vaccine therapies?

Yeah, first we know that young on COVID is really a problem and I have talked about this kind of consequences from the beginning and actually why does it choose coronavirus? Because coronavirus has some nature including the antibody dependent enhancement, which means even though you have the antibody, still later when you see some different variant, you would get worse because of the existing antibodies. And also when China develops a new bio weapons, they are using selecting the candidates which could potentially cause neuro damage. And of course, the immature mRNA vaccine

and other vaccines against the COVID-19 cannot protect us, but they would cause unexpected problems. And yes, PLA's fingerprint is everywhere. For example, when we talk about Harvard University, I would tell you that now in China, the leading team who predict, successfully predict the COVID-19 variant since 2020 until now, who are studying the immune escaping variant, and somehow they always can predict them in the reality. These are the team come back from Harvard University.

Professor Sanyi Xiaoliangxie, the chemistry professor, and his student, Richard Yunlong Cao, and Cao is the son of CCP's general, Cao Xuetao, who's an immunologist and also not real general general general in the bioweapon program and also when we talk about vaccines we see China's people agents everywhere for example Dr. Shen Wu based in Massachusetts who was the president of International Society of Vaccines has very close ties with People's Liberation Army and the CCP. And the GSK vaccine director, Pei Yongshi,

who is involved into the development of COVID-19 virus with Chinese government, with PLA background. So yes, they are everywhere. And I'm so happy to say that now at least the US government don't recommend the kid and pregnant lady to get these vaccines. And also US withdraw from WHO and they're building the new alternative health system

with Argentina now. Yes, I agree. It is a relief that that's ending. And I'm fascinated by what you've just told us. I do hope the FBI and other government organizations are listening to you and listening to this. I feel like we've sort of run the cycle, as they say. Like we've really covered this. It's interesting to me that, you know, I think I've spoken to both of you over the last few years, and at least I feel like I've talked to you Clayton.

And it's interesting to see how this has evolved and become a more complete story. And it's all stuff we all sensed at the beginning, right? We were all like, well, something's wrong. Something is really wrong here. This isn't right. Something is, and there's still more to all like, well, something's wrong. Something is really wrong here. This isn't right. Something is, and there's still more to be revealed, I'm sorry to say.

And hopefully there will be further acceptance and allowance for the sort of investigative process to go forward so we can figure out what, really what happened to us in great detail. I appreciate you both being here. Is there last comments from either of you before I wrap this up? I feel like we've, like I said, we ran the cycle.

I would just say thanks for having me. It's a pleasure to always to talk with you, Dr. Drew. Pleasure to meet you, Dr. Jan. And I just think, honestly, I think there's plenty of blame to go around. I appreciate the concern about the CCP and I don't question that in the least, but I think there's a lot of bad actors that we still need to see some accountability in the United States.

One thing I learned from COVID was, you know, people, the old adage that you never assume malice when incompetence explains behavior, I think is cover for a lot of malice. And I think that that's something we have to be very careful to be aware of. It's what my friend Adam Corolla calls stupid or liar, stupid or liar, which is it? And, or both, some, I think a lot of them are both.

So we'll find out. Dr. Limingyan, last words. Oh, Susan. I have one question for her. Well, just a comment, because Dr. Yan mentioned it really quickly. She mentioned the asymmetrical warfare or the poor man's nuclear bomb or whatever,

but also she kind of slid in there the propaganda. And so the biggest thing that I found, like maybe my spidey sense was up because of all the propaganda that was coming out of China, like a lot of our media was picking up on stuff that China was sending. And like for example, today the New York Post says, we have this horrible disease that's coming, it's going to kill everybody because those are the people that pick up these stories. But then it gets sort of propagandized through

China. Like they, I think they have, we were duplicitous in the propaganda and we were hysterical both and, and there was political motivation based in a malicious back to malice, a malicious posture, but that was a perfect storm of all that. We had this sort of feeling of communism looming over us during the pandemic, but we still have the propaganda. We still have these shitty media sources and these people who just keep saying stuff, you know, to get clicks. Maybe the PLA is in there with those guys too. We'll have to find out.

I need my Li Ming-Yuan in the media. Go ahead. Finish your thought. You said yes, and then you're right. Yes, Susan, you nailed a very great problem on that. Yes, China is launching the cognitive warfare around us everywhere. And that's why I'm now also host daily live streaming in Chinese YouTube broadcasts to anti-their cognitive

warfare even to Chinese people, not only to Americans. And without this misinformation, the pandemic's truth can be easy to discover, right? But because those people launching the misinformation help China to cover up, it wastes so long time. And I want to add is the CIA deputy director has announced recently that China is US existential threat, hosts this kind of threat. So that tells you, without Chinese communism, still, yeah, there will be social paths

among the academic people and the experts. They want to do always they want to bad things, but they can't. But with communist China, like the magnet, they are attracted and they go to that side, they become the useful idiot and then conducted the criminals with China government and they can escape the accountability. So that's why we need to end the communist China first and of course, meanwhile, clean your own home. That's my idea.

Well, this has been very fascinating. I appreciate you both. And before the mics heated up, the cameras went on. Susan was congratulating Dr. Li Mengyan for her improvement in her command of the English language. And Susan, I will posit for you, the use of the word scumbag today was very appropriate. And that was a sign of how well,

I thought she was going to say they aren't shit, but she said they're scumbags. And I thought, okay, that's even better. She has really come along. Exactly, I thought, wow, okay. That's a sign to me that her language is really coming along. Thank you both. We'll talk to you again soon, I trust.

God bless. Thank you, Dr. Suzanne. Thank you, Dr. Baker. You got it. And don't forget the book, get the book. It is, Dr. Clayton Baker. The book is The Medical Masquerade. It is, uh, Dr. Clayton, Dr. Clayton Baker. The book is the medical masquerade. It is really, I just really enjoyed it.

I called, uh, Jeffrey Tucker afterwards, or I think I called him. And I said, this is, this is good. This is really, really a historically significant document. Give me a second to check your, uh, reach your, uh, chats here to see if there's anything my computer cord unfortunately won't reach, so I have to turn way over here, I apologize.

And anything, Susan, anything on the rumble rants? Anybody have any experiences there that you need to address? I'm putting it on the top of the list, Drew. We're going to get, a PA is going to come over and hand deliver you one extension cord for your computer, because you've been in this issue for four days. Thank you. Thank you. It's been a while. I don't know where all our extension cords went.

We've been sort of away. I think we have little meesee-micees in the house taking our extension cords. What are you guys talking about? What are they talking about over on the rants? I can't quite follow it. They're not yelling at each other, which I like that. Do not comply. I think this is a good place to start. Truth heals, I'm not sure where you're going to look at, but I appreciate that. I just don't, I can't believe we continued it

with the vaccine, you know what I mean? It's just like, ugh. It's very complicated, very confusing. Today I was at the, I had to go to the dentist and the little pharmacy that's down at the bottom of the elevator had this huge banner that said vaccines. And it named off every vaccine. Got them here, got them now.

Yes. It was like a circus act. But adult vaccines, look, I like the shingles vaccine. I like the RSV vaccine. My elderly patients have been receiving the boosters, although most of them have stopped. No adverse events. Everybody's doing well.

It drew me in like, oh, maybe I should get my shingles right now. Like it made me want to get a vaccine. It's the weirdest thing. Well, look, here's the thing. All medical interventions are dangerous. All vaccines, medication, surgeries, anesthesia, all super dangerous. We live in a time where we've lost complete track of that, surgeries, anesthesia, all super dangerous.

We live in a time where we've lost complete track of that, which is a good news, bad news. Bad news is we don't take into account the risk reward of every interaction. I had one vaccine reaction to be fair. They don't have like a huge pamphlet on consent, like informed consent. It just says, come on over here, Joe, get a vaccine.

You know, it was so weird. I just was, I was kind of appalled by it. Well, it's, you know, the camps have gotten more and more extreme and I don't like that. We need, we should all be joining in the middle somewhere. Didn't even say shingles on there, by the way. All right, well, RSV is good. And again, I had one COVID Vax reaction.

I had reported to VAERS, they ignored me and it was a serious reaction, but she recovered from it and had no sequelae. She was really old. She was 100. Yeah, she was 99 when it happened. It's like, gosh, she'll be dead anyways, geez. They just didn't, they just ignore me. Completely ignoring.

So something is up with the VAERS system and it was a very serious reaction. No follow-up. All right, so let's see what's coming up. I believe we have Naomi Wolf in here tomorrow. She will scare us with more data about women and babies. Dr. Nicole Sapphire in on Thursday. She is of course the breast cancer specialist radiologist

and Dr. Jordan Vaughn. That's a good one, Nicole Sapphire. That's a very good one. Look, we've got lots of great guests. Mark Schenckiser coming back, Salty Cracker coming back. Just a lot of really interesting guests coming. And I hope today was interesting for you guys. We're back.

Yeah, we're back. We're going to do a lot of shows in June and we'll be back, and we're here in May. And then we'll also July. So we won't take too many vacations. Who's coming in our house right now? That's kind of weird. Do you expect somebody?

I know, I heard a noise down there. Let me go find out. They're stealing my groceries. Could be. I'm looking at you guys. Okay, well listen, I think this was, I think this was a very interesting conversation. Oh, I love her.

She's my favorite Chinese expert. And we can have Chinese experts on until the cows come home, but nobody has her information. And a lot of people, she's making all this up. No, she's been saying the same thing over and over and over. It's refined, it's a little more focused what she was saying this time.

There's a little more detail story and it all kind of made sense. Uh-oh, it happened. That's when I yelled for you about an hour ago, that's what had happened. The screen just went blank all of a sudden. I was so worried she was gonna go, actually that didn't happen.

After you said what she had said five years ago, and she, what's happening with the screen, Caleb? We have a ghost. We're gonna wrap up. Maybe that's why the door slammed down, sir. We have a ghost in the house. All right, we'll still find the ghost. Thank you all for being here.

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