Ask Dr. Drew - Why NY’s National Guard “Militarized Dystopia” Is Another Threat To Our Freedom: Naomi Wolf & Dr. Meryl Nass – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 335

Episode Date: March 17, 2024

“This is it. This is the militarized dystopia that is the end of our Republic,” writes Naomi Wolf, in response to NY Governor Kathy Hochul deploying the National Guard to subways. “First NYC will deploy the National Guard. Then they’ll arrest dissidents who have – surprise! — “contraband” in their bags… Then the US cities will be subjugated from within, overnight.” “I TOLD you that the crimes caused by the cartel-linked illegal immigrants would be used as an excuse,” says Wolf. Naomi Wolf is a bestselling author, columnist, and professor. She is recognized as one of the world’s most influential feminist writers. Wolf is a Rhodes Scholar, a graduate of Yale University, and received a doctorate from Oxford. She has written eight bestselling works of nonfiction, including The Beauty Myth, Give Me Liberty, and The End of America, and is co-founder and CEO of civic tech company https://DailyClout.io. Follow her at https://twitter.com/naomirwolf Dr. Meryl Nass is a board-certified physician with over 40 years of experience in all areas of internal medicine. She is a nationally recognized expert on epidemics who has consulted for government agencies around the world, especially focussing on anthrax, Zika, Ebola, and biological warfare investigations. Follow Dr. Nass at https://x.com/NassMeryl and at https://MerylNassMD.com 「 SPONSORED BY 」 Find out more about the companies that make this show possible and get special discounts on amazing products at https://drdrew.com/sponsors • COZY EARTH - Susan and Drew love Cozy Earth's sheets & clothing made with super-soft viscose from bamboo! Use code DREW to save up to 40% at https://drdrew.com/cozy • TRU NIAGEN - For almost a decade, Dr. Drew has been taking a healthy-aging supplement called Tru Niagen, which uses a patented form of Nicotinamide Riboside to boost NAD levels. Use code DREW for 20% off at https://drdrew.com/truniagen • PET CLUB 24/7 - Give your pet's body the natural support it deserves! No fillers. No GMOs. No preservatives. Made in the USA. Save 15% at https://drdrew.com/petclub247 • GENUCEL - Using a proprietary base formulated by a pharmacist, Genucel has created skincare that can dramatically improve the appearance of facial redness and under-eye puffiness. Get an extra discount with promo code DREW at https://genucel.com/drew • PROVIA - Dreading premature hair thinning or hair loss? Provia uses a safe, natural ingredient (Procapil) to effectively target the three main causes of premature hair thinning and hair loss. Susan loves it! Get an extra discount at https://proviahair.com/drew • THE WELLNESS COMPANY - Counteract harmful spike proteins with TWC's Signature Series Spike Support Formula containing nattokinase and selenium. Learn more about TWC's supplements at https://twc.health/drew 「 MEDICAL NOTE 」 Portions of this program may examine countervailing views on important medical issues. Always consult your personal physician before making any decisions about your health. 「 ABOUT THE SHOW 」 Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Kaleb Nation (https://kalebnation.com) and Susan Pinsky (https://twitter.com/firstladyoflove). This show is for entertainment and/or informational purposes only, and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. 「 ABOUT DR. DREW 」 Dr. Drew is a board-certified physician with over 35 years of national radio, NYT bestselling books, and countless TV shows bearing his name. He's known for Celebrity Rehab (VH1), Teen Mom OG (MTV), The Masked Singer (FOX), multiple hit podcasts, and the iconic Loveline radio show. Dr. Drew Pinsky received his undergraduate degree from Amherst College and his M.D. from the University of Southern California, School of Medicine. Read more at https://drdrew.com/about Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Welcome, everybody. We are going to have frequent flyers here today. We're going to have our friend, Dr. Meryl Nass, who is a physician of quite notable merit, who's been unjustly sort of put upon as a result of raising questions during the pandemic. So we're going to get an update from her. I want to discuss a few of the more recent topics with her. And our friend, Naomi Wolf, is joining us as well. And Susan, do you want to tell me what you were just telling me? Okay. We're going to have a few topics to bring

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No, we're going to get an NR infusion. Oh, what's that? Which is traniogen. It's a more powerful way to raise NAD level. It goes directly into the mitochondria. But I digress. Let's get my guests in here. I want to be younger. Okay. We have limited time with Naomi Wolf. There's Naomi.

Sorry about the scheduling stuff. Thank you for being here, Naomi. Oh, no, I can't hear her, guys. Wait, wait, wait. There you are. You're on now. You got you. Thank you for having me, Dr. Drew.

You ought to join us more from the great outdoors because it looks lovely there so you do too so thank you for joining us um couple of quick things um i saw i think it was a recent tweet just as we were heating up here that there's a an indian mustard oil that's being uh cast out from the States. And what's your theory about what's happened there? Great question. Well, Dr. Drew, you may know, of course, because you've covered it very wonderfully, that I was so heavily enmeshed in the findings, am enmeshed in the findings of our War Room Daily Cloud Pfizer Documents research volunteers who found this catastrophic set of side effects and deaths and injuries in the Pfizer document, you showed that clip,

that I was really overwhelmed and I had to think about solutions. So I've been, I'm not a medical doctor, I'm an English major, but I've been diving into lost remedies, traditional remedies, 19th century remedies, and herbal remedies. And it turns out that there's tons of peer-reviewed, tons of peer-reviewed published research showing that some of these are unbelievably effective. So I was very intrigued. I've been very intrigued by like forbidden recipes, right? Like there's a famous century compound that helped women with menstrual and menopausal issues. And that's been kind of bought up by big pharma and the recipe was changed. And, uh, and, and, and so as not to threaten my conclusion, so as not to threaten the, um,

$16 billion, uh, menstrual pain and menopause market. Um so by the same token, I was intrigued by mustard oil, because this is an oil that Indians have been using for millennia to cook with. It's plentiful, abundant in Asia and the Middle East. And now it's illegal in the United States, Canada, and the United Kingdom. Illegal. The FDA banned it. The FDA, which waved through horrific side effect after horrific side effect to the Pfizer documents, death after death in the Pfizer documents, damage to fetuses, damage to embryos, decided to really make a move on this millennia old, beloved by Ayurveda, cooking oil. So I looked into it and sure enough, mustard oil is anti-cancer. I'm not overstating. Peer-reviewed published studies shows that it kills cancer cells. It protects your blood.

It's good for your circulation. It stabilizes diabetes. It has so many positive effects. It's good for arthritis and joint pain, but we can't have it. And we can't have it because rats showed a response to very elevated levels of mustard oil in terms of lipids in their heart, but there's no evidence that this is the case for human beings. So, you know, as always, I just give people the information. I say, make your own decisions. But I think it's very interesting that at a time when Pfizer has just overpaid, as Dad points out, for cancer companies, and there's big bucks to be made from all these diseases and injuries, that mustard oil, which is so protective in so many ways, is, you know,

you can't have it. That's our biggest problem. Well, and you know what? It's so fascinating to talk to you about this topic, especially that you and I are the ones talking about it. Because if you had told me this story about even five years ago or seven years ago, I would have gone like, oh, Naomi, come on, there's got to be some reason. They're doing good research, good studies.

And I have been beaten down for being the slightest bit heuristic on any of these topics, including discussing menstrual effects of the vaccine. Don't fight Naomi. No, but I'm just saying that my humility is such that now I'm open to so many things I would not have been open to seven years ago, including I was working with Harvey Reich, who is an excellent scientist, especially a ability to quantitatively evaluate studies. And he coined a phrase. He said something to me the other day. I wrote it down because he uses language so carefully, accurately.

He goes, you know, in this study, the null hypothesis was non-informative. And I thought, that's all you can say. That is exactly what the study says. It's not a positive study. It's not a negative study. The null hypothesis was non-informative in this particular study. And I thought, it just reminded me how careful you have to be with the analysis, with the way we read medical literature and scientific literature, and that we need to be open to things, and that it is sort of the golden age of supplements and things, things I would not contemplate before. I'm looking at it very carefully. And so I'm glad you're bringing people's awareness to this. I'm glad you're asking them to look for themselves. And as we all know, the lipid story has been grossly overstated in many weird ways.

Look no further than Kate Shanahan, everybody. She's got all the data on the plant oils. So would that be a seed oil, mustard? Well, that's what I have to look into. I don't think it's... I'll check from Kate, because there are... But by the way... I'm looking at our list. I don't think it's, I'll check from Kate, because there are concerns. But by the way, that would be damning to all the seed oils that now have been switched from tallow to seed, right? They take issue with this particular oil, but they force corn oil on you. It's really-

It's not in her hateful eight seed oils. It's not in there. Send her an email and ask her. No, it's not there. But let's say it is. Let's say there is a seed oil there. Isn't this nutty? What I'm beginning to realize, Naomi, is that there's a part of our country that is scared to death of dictators, individual dictators, which I understand, but seem to be in love with bureaucratic dictators, centralization of authority in bureaucracies.

And bureaucracies do stupid shit like this. It's what bureaucracies do. And so my first question, I have two questions. I know you've got to go in a couple of minutes, so I want to just maximize my time here. What do we do with this bureaucratic centralization? Is there anything we can do to fight back on that? Well, you know, this time we're in, Dr. Drew, really reminds me,

and please forgive the noisiness of New York City. It just, it's always so noisy here. Wait, you're in New York City? So are we. We should have dinner tonight. What are you doing? We should have dinner. Come on.

We're going to. I'm not kidding. Theatrical event. I'm not kidding either. You should join us. We're here in Harlem. I'll text you guys, but I'd love that. Yes. So what do we do? It's like the end of the Wizard of Oz. We are seeing like what's behind the curtain and what's behind the curtain is not very impressive, right? I mean, that's one reason I'm pushing these alternatives with such desperate focus, because if the FDA and Pfizer and our government could wave through something so

murderously deadly, and Ed Dowd did an interview with me today showing shocking levels of cancer a month oh shoot i have one more question for her too we we lost your um feed there naomi i don't know if she needs to to refresh or not she what i just connected she's refreshing i'll let her finish that she said add doubt and then it went out yeah that's that's the algorithm ed stop it susan's become a conspiracy theorist. Do not encourage this. So anyways, there is a cancer raising. Yeah, but I mean, Ed's been tweeting about it. I've been following his tweets.

And he's been, look, it's like an eight sigma event. I think that's what she's going to tell you. It might be 12 or 14 sigma, actually, is what he's recently caught up with. But I want to ask her also about uh governor hokals bringing the national guard into the subway here in new york she has to go though so i know she's going to the theater but we should meet them afterwards that's funny we should see them afterwards i know i'm not going to harlem no let's go meet them somewhere we'll figure it out uh okay so yeah so

the the uh national guard are now in our subways here in new york city and uh a lot of people feel as though this is the potential to sort of militarize our cities and our public transportation things i welcome these young men and women i am delighted that they are there because we have a problem in these subways and i like running these trains the sick part is that the state has to send in the national guard that the city is not using its police force in such in an effective enough way i don't know why i wouldn't blame the police per se my bet is they don't have enough people uh they're all moving to florida and policing down there because they're treated better uh so i welcome the national guard and i don't know what else you're gonna do

now the problem is and something again i would not have contemplated years ago which was uh is this a slippery slope to something else uh and having seen the excesses of the last few years it it certainly makes you think um my bet is, you know, Naomi's husband is a, well, how would you call him? An intelligence, former intelligence analyst. I think that's how he describes himself. And I'm certain he would have concerns about this because he's seen how the excesses of all this can go.

And I don't blame people for being concerned. Again, I'm open to ideas I would not have been open to before, but I'm generally delighted to see them uh amongst us and they're only in certain parts of the city too um susan has not yet uh ridden the trains this trip have you i don't know it's um you know it seems fine here but i haven't gone very far but i have but i have noticed that people are there's a there's a psychological problem i was talking to adamrola about this today.

You guys saw him yesterday. And by the way, I'm going to go on to the Rumble Rants and whatnot while I'm talking to you guys. If I just, there we go. And we were talking about how people seem, well, they're unhappy in a sense. And interestingly, the state of California just convened a committee today, or it's been meeting for the last few days, a happiness committee. The state of California is going to bring us happiness through their bureaucracy. And if that is not the most ironic nonsense you've ever seen. Oh, we got to get Salty Cracker back here

because I'd love to hear what he has to say about that. They are interestingly, they are going, first of all, they haven't even defined happiness the best that I can tell, but they are talking about things that are associated with human flourishing, a sort of happiness. It's something more nourishing,

better than happiness, a meaningful life. And then they're going to provide that? How about they take care of the mental health crisis? How about they take care of the people dying in the street? Clean that up? Then we can talk about happiness. And by the way, happiness has never been something issuing from a government that I know of ever. And lo and behold, they discovered money and wealth shockingly wasn't an important ingredient.

Gratitude was an important ingredient. Spiritual life, important ingredient. Financial stability, family stability, relational stability, all important in the opportunity to be healthy and flourish. But it isn't something that you grant people. It was so ironic to me to see the state of California standing there, having their committee. It's sort of, if I were not already so disgusted by my home state, this would be an outrage. But I have outrage burnout. It was one outrage after another. So what I think I'm going to do, all right, I'm going to take a break. People like the idea of salty cracker coming back, Susan, for what it's worth.

And when we come back, we're going to let Naomi go to the theater, and we are going to talk to Dr. Naomi, excuse me, and Meryl Nass. Let me just give you some particulars on everybody. You can find Naomi at dailyclout.io, dailyclout.io. Her ex-site, who you saw Caleb kindly put up there a few minutes ago, is Naomi R. Wolfe, with no E on the Wolfe. And Meryl Nass is doortofreedom.org, and her Twitter is at Nass Merrill, N-A-S-S-M-E-R-Y-L, Substack, MerrillNass.Substack.com. I'm going to do a little bit of an intro now and a little more after the break because I want you to really understand who Merrill Nass is and how egregious it is, the unfair scrutiny that she has been put upon her. This is a woman that is an MIT-trained scientist at a time when, let's just say,

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So I always like to try to scan through it, see if there's any other, oh, that's interesting. Maternal RSE vaccine may not be all that after all let's bring dr meryl nass into the program welcome there you are thank you for coming back pleasure to see you so i want to i want to get an update from you on what's been going on and where you're at. And, and let me, let me ask this. Did I do your heritage justice is right. I mean, I was, I was training around those times too. So I know all the nuances of who went where and what you had to have to get in and how women were being put upon. So did I miss anything?

You know, it wasn't that bad, really. You know, they built a new dorm for women at MIT. So I, you know, I don't, I, I'm very grateful for the treatment and the training I had everywhere. You know, I've had a great life, so I don't want to complain because I'm a woman. I think- I really wasn't, I wasn't building that case, really. I know it sounded a little bit like that. What I was saying was that the people that got singled out during COVID were often some of the most exceptional professionals with the most exceptional backgrounds with the highest level intellectual performance. And that people, if you weren't training around the time when you and I were, you might miss some of the things that I read in your

training. Just MIT to medical school at that period of history was a tough putt. And it lets me know that you were really excelling at MIT, which I know what that meant at that period of history. Yes. No, I think that the people who were willing to stand up, many of them were people who felt very sure of themselves. Like I knew I was right. I had read the literature. I know how to interpret it. I've written papers. I give talks, you know, I've just invented, I haven't invented anything, but I've discovered things. You know, I've given six congressional testimonies. I knew when I determined that hydroxychloroquine or ivermectin

was the way to go and that vitamin D was going to be helpful, they were going to be helpful. There just wasn't any question about it. I also, because I have, you know, 25 years history of working on vaccines and vaccine safety, and I was the number one person in the United States working on anthrax vaccine safety when that was mandated for soldiers. So, you know, I know how to look at vaccine science and I was able to, you know, warn people even before the COVID vaccines were released that there were a lot of concerns. And I followed them very closely and told people, you know, as quickly as I can what was known about them as well as about other treatments. And I thought, you know, I thought that I had such a clean record.

I had, you know, I had led a commission in the state of Maine to protect the National Guard that had been created by the legislature. I just thought I was untouchable, but it turned out I wasn't. And I want to get an update from what's been going on with you and how they've come after you and whatnot. But before we do, I want to put up front a different topic, which is the World Health Organization. A lot of the reason that we got into these mishaps, which is a kind word, around this pandemic,

were the centralization of authority. And now we have the World Health Organization and this sort of, I don't know, I don't want to be too pejorative in describing who they are, but I'm not sure they are the people that I want making massive, sweeping decisions and having fiat authority over duly elected sovereign officials in this so-called treaty. Can you give us where you are with that and what your thoughts are?

Yeah. If you'll let me, let me go back to say, what is the chicken and what is the egg? So people have said, well, maybe we had the pandemic in order to get the vaccine. You know, maybe that's why it happened. And then other people have said, maybe we got the vaccine in order to have a vaccine passport, which would be an electronic ID and a way that we could be tracked and our spending could be controlled

and it would widen into much more than a health passport. And then some people have said, well, maybe all of that is about centralizing control globally through the WHO. And so in a period of four years, suddenly we're talking about turning over the management of health care around the world in 196 countries to the WHO, which has a handful of doctors who work for it. They don't have the expertise that even probably one state in the United States has in terms of how to manage a pandemic. They gave us terrible advice during this last pandemic. And yet they say, because we did so poorly, we need them to help us do better next time.

And they want to take over managing to tell us what drugs, quarantines, vaccines we have to have and which drugs they're not going to allow us to have. So the same thing that was done with ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine last time is slated to happen again. And I also want to remind people that Tedros is not himself a physician. He has a degree in community health and malaria. He trained in Ethiopia and then he trained in England. He cannot make medical decisions. He was not competent to make any medical decisions during COVID and we should not allow him to make any medical decisions for anybody in the future. So obviously we have to raise the alarm about this treaty, which we've been trying to do. And I believe it's an opt-out treaty. You have to actually actively opt out in

order to get out of it. So I know that Michelle Bachman is running around trying to get the government to pay attention to this. Are you having any luck getting attention? So I've briefed about 16 or 18 members of Congress and everyone I brief is quite concerned about it. The problem is they did not know what was happening. They haven't read the treaties. You know, it's, it's, you know, probably reading 80 pages of legalese and members of Congress don't have time to do that. So they get talking points who wrote the talking points, you know, the Biden administration or the WHO and the talking points are incorrect. They have had one hearing in the house,

the Wenstrup committee and Committee, and the government officials, three officials who presented, misrepresented what the treaty, there's two things. There's a pandemic treaty, which is completely new, and international health regulations, which are being amended, massively amended, and already existed, but were of almost no consequence previously. But they're being made to be a major governing document for health. So these two proposed documents are out there and are to be voted on in May, supposedly voted on by all the members of the World Health Organization. However, in the past, they don't necessarily take votes. They go through a process they call a consensus process. They say anyone have a problem? Nope. Okay. It's done. And so that's what they have referred to as a vote previously. They were asked by 12 members of the European Parliament in November,

show us the evidence. You took a vote two years ago when you amended the international health regulations. The WHO has been silent, has not answered the European parliamentarians. So anyway, what we have is basically a world that doesn't know what's happening, has no idea that an attempt to go against five of the amendments in the Bill of Rights is being brought in, you know, in the dark of night. Nobody knows about it. They're trying to take away freedom of speech, you know, privacy.

They want the WHO wants the right to have access to everybody's medical records all the time to swab you at will and demands that nations surveil your social media presence and censor you if you're spreading medical information that goes against the WHO's. So this is very, very serious. They don't have the authority, even the federal government probably doesn't have the authority to hand it to the WHO. things and keep certain things quiet and frame it a certain way and bribe the nations, make promises and get people to go along if nobody notices. And that's why they're in a big hurry. That's why it's going to be done in May, because by May, probably people won't know what's happening. I keep hearing, or at least I have come to understand, that most social evil gets done in the name of being good.

So I imagine these people have convinced themselves they're doing something good and just, but I don't know how. Or do you think there is some nefarious force behind this? I don't think this could have been done without a nefarious force. I mean, this is, as I said, the pandemic, the vaccine, the vaccine passports, the W.A. It's been done stepwise very carefully. It was planned. Under the guise of pandemic preparedness, these documents are being brought forward. They're going to save us from future pandemics after they continually try to frighten us about pandemics. We just heard about disease X, and it was going to be 20 times worse than COVID, but we don't even know what it is. It doesn't exist, but it's still, we know it's 20 times worse. So, you know, who makes that up? You know, you need a professional PR agency to come

up with stuff. Is it possible that I always, I'm struggling with trying to make sense of all this in my feeble mind. And I just just keep wondering is there some could there possibly i guess it's possible i mean i'm gonna i'm gonna propose something but i'm gonna ask your opinion on it something in the military complex that we don't know about as general citizenship in the general citizenship of a potential much like you know maybe there's things about nuclear weapons and preparedness for nuclear attacks and things we aren't all fully aware of could there be something on the biological weapon front that's under boiling underneath that none of us are allowed to understand or get information about or know about,

but that the people in high, high authority have to figure out a way to get some preparedness for such thing? Well, let me say that I was the first person in the world to investigate an epidemic and show it was due to biological warfare. And I published that paper in 1992. And I have been following the field of biological warfare and biological defense ever since. And the United States has gone up and down in terms of the amount of money and attention that we put into this. But we put a lot in during World War II, between World War II and 1970. We stopped for a while. We ramped it up about 1998 and particularly more after the

anthrax letters. And the United States has been spending approximately $11 billion a year on pandemic preparedness and influenza preparedness. But this year, the president's budget asked for $20 billion for HHS alone for pandemic preparedness. So, no, we don't really need the WHO to help the United States prepare. We're already spending a lot of money under the rubric of preparedness. We have done many different things to prepare. We have created vaccines, drugs, monoclonal antibodies, various kinds of detection methods, and none of the detection methods actually have worked. So they've been installed in New York City and Washington, and they were either too sensitive or not sensitive enough, but they did not provide an early warning system. The idea of getting all your medical records is that if a bunch of people in one location come down with the same syndrome, that will be a clue that something is brewing in that place. Now, is that enough benefit for the risk of putting all our medical records online and handing them to the WHO? Where is the risk-benefit analysis in that? The other thing that's going on is that the WHO

is actually creating something called a biohub and a pathogen access and benefit sharing system. So there have been seven drafts of the pandemic treaty, and they change each time, the language changes. But in several of the drafts, nations have been instructed to go out and find potential pandemic pathogens, there's biological warfare agents. And then if they find them, they need to share them with the WHO, that all the nations are supposed to develop their own genetic sequencing laboratories, which is, to me, very, very bizarre. Why would you want the Central African Republic to have a sequencing laboratory when they can't even do urine cultures and things like that?

But that's the plan. And then they are to put the sequences of these pathogens online, as well as share samples with the WHO. And the WHO will then make them available to pharmaceutical companies, universities, research centers, and others. And if the specimens are valuable in terms of a drug vaccine or diagnostic, then the nation that provided them will get paid for providing them. And that is the benefit that the developing nations have been told is going to accrue to them if they go along with this. OK, so when you look at that, first of all, you know that by telling nations that have never done this before that they need to have their own high containment labs, that's crazy, right? You're inviting leaks. You're

inviting accidents. We in the United States have 200 reported accidents a year with these agents. They have to be reported to CDC. So we know we have leaks. We know China has leaks. We know we have leaks. We know China has leaks. We know Port Dietrich and CDC and NIH have had leaks because it's impossible to do this work completely safely. So by inviting all the nations to start doing this, we're inviting leaks. And what that means is there are going to be lots of pandemics in the future if we allow this to go forward. We're not going to have any idea where they came from because everyone's going to have shared these pathogens. And we're going to

basically live in a hell where we're reliant on pharma and the WHO or whoever else is in charge to save us. And no person of sound mind would want this to happen. However, we have a coterie of virologists around the world, almost all of whom have been supported by the NIH, the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, or the Wellcome Trust. And those three organizations are central to creating this system. They've all been part of creating this through the WHO, this pandemic preparedness program. And so basically, almost all the virologists will not have a career unless they go along. Depressing.

Other than raising awareness about not signing up actively um trying to get out from this treaty is there anything else we should be doing well i think there's a lot of things first of all we can't take the wh at a court we can't say look you're you're going against the biological weapons convention or uh national security memorandum blah blah, blah, because there is no court. There is no jurisdiction. There's no court that has jurisdiction over the WHO. And all the employees and the diplomats who come have diplomatic immunity. So we can't do it that way. But what we can do is show that the WHO breaks its own rules routinely. So nations can complain about that. And we have many different members of parliament in countries around the world who are starting to complain and ask questions of

their governments. Who's actually negotiating this treaty? Is the EU negotiating it for us? The EU is not a party to the WHO. Who you these negotiators the authority to give away sovereignty and have the who manage our health care you know we where did that come from we what does our constitution say about that and many countries have constitutions say that happen in the u.s what we're um focusing on is the fact that the 10th Amendment says that any authority not specifically given to the federal government in the Constitution is reserved for the states or the people. And so we're saying states can step up to the plate and say, look, we are interested in protecting the health care of the citizens of our state. We are not interested in turning it over to the WHO. And we're making a statement that the Biden administration or any other federal administration

does not have this authority. It is rested in the states and we're keeping it here. Thank you very much. Now, we are encouraging attorney generals, governors, and legislators to either pass a resolution that says something like that, or to sign a statement, you know, a declaration, could be an executive order for a governor, could be a letter for an attorney general, but to make it clear that they are not going to simply go along with this power grab you know quietly yeah that that is that's a great line of reasoning uh i i don't understand why the federal government just doesn't step in and say it isn't specifically granted our constitution therefore we have to reject it and then let the who decide if they're going to come back around to each of the states and then but i agree you

got to go after the states in the meantime. I want to swing it back to a couple other things. And by the way, we're going to have Christine Anderson in here tomorrow who's been raising the alarm for the European Union about this for quite some time. Yeah, and that will be at noon Pacific, 3 o'clock Eastern time. You said something that caught my attention. You said that the head of World Health Organization should not be making medical decisions. And then you also brought up the issue of paying attention to risks and rewards.

You know, one of the lessons from COVID is that risk-reward is not something that government bureaucracies can take into account. They seem unable to do so. But also, it seems as though many of the public health officials seem unable to do so as well. And one of the things that caught my attention during COVID was, oh, all these heads of the state public health departments, they're all pediatricians because pediatricians make decisions about vaccines. And pediatricians are not trained

to make adult medical decisions, particularly the challenge of the risk-reward analysis for adults. And their risk-reward tolerance and the way they analyze risk reward is very different pediatrician is very different i mean a death for a pediatrician is a major catastrophe a death in your in my world is tuesday wednesday it's just it's just part of general medicine and i'm concerned about so many pediatric and god and listen, and I don't make decisions about kids because I'm not trained to do it, and I know how different the training is. I don't do pediatrics. But we have pediatricians all over the place making decisions on adult medicine. Do you have any concerns about that? Well, I think that basically all the public health

people have been thrust into a situation that they were never prepared for, they were never trained for. And many of them, like the Secretary of Health in my state is not a physician. So they basically, I mean, we heard from the woman who is the head of CDC now, she would call up her compatriots in different states and say, what are you doing? Okay, what are you doing? Well, let's do this. Right. Oh, my God. So that's the problem.

And we had plans. There were plans for how to deal with pandemics, with flu epidemic, you know, because everyone was expecting it would be a version of the flu, you know, the bird flu or the swine flu or some other type. And so that was what was expected. We had the plans and they were thrown away for this. You know, I hate to say it, but looking back, although Francis Collins has said that, yeah, we didn't do the risk benefit analysis, you know, it's hard to believe him. I think that's the best you can do at a mea culpa. But no, it wasn't the fact that they didn't do a risk-benefit.

They didn't care. They were following orders because everybody in every other developed country did the same thing, except for Sweden. And why was that? Because they had their marching orders to throw away the known playbook, you know, with evidence and to do all of this gizmo, you know, nonsense that had no evidence because it was part of a plan. You know what? I mean, really, how could physicians restrict the use of things like ivermectin and

hydroxychloroquine when it's so clear that they worked? When in fact, the CDC and the NIH had published papers that hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine killed SARS-1 and MERS in vitro, in tissue culture. They knew that it worked in tissue culture, and then they restricted it. So these people were not acting as physicians. They were acting as apparatchiks and, you know, enabling the death of large numbers of people. Yeah, we still need a more thorough examination of what happened.

It was, and unfortunately, with all the saber rattling about criminal action and whatnot, I fear like we'll never get to the bottom of it. People don't just systematically evaluate the excesses. The other thing that's driving me crazy right now, and then after I ask you this question, I want to get an update on what's happening, what are they doing to you these days.

I am so tired of publications around the vaccine and the vaccine's risk-reward and utility and whatnot. And by the way, there is a maternal RSV vaccine or an RSV vaccine that has an RNA base to it that was just being advocated for maternal use. And the New England Journal has an article today, just published, there are some concerns. Shocking. But what's odd to me is you're allowed to raise those concerns about the RSV virus.

You're not allowed to raise any concerns or, God forbid, publish anything that raises concerns about the COVID vaccine. And I'm getting really sick and tired of people marching out studies that are not, I've not seen a single one more recent than 2022. It's a different virus. It's a different circumstance. People are not hospitalized for it. There are effective treatments available.

And the major journals keep publishing articles from 20, 21, 22. I get it. That was an interesting time. It's sort of a consensus building on its effect in that period of history. We don't know the full risk yet, but okay. I get the efficacy part. Yeah, there it is. That's Kayla's putting up there a concern about that. And, but what,

what is it that we can't get any data about 2023 and 2024? Yeah, well, I can't answer that question, but what I can say is the reason we now have two RSV vaccines for people over 60, one of them being used in pregnant women, and we also have a monoclonal, but the reason is that NIH developed the antigen. That product was given an accelerated pathway to licensure. And even though we saw that the RSV vaccine in pregnancy led to a significant number of premature births, and one of the companies withdrew their application because of that, the other one did not. I think Pfizer maintained it. GSK did. Back to us, we had a client with the Druid. Yes. And they both were seeing a lot of prematurity. And what happened then is FDA simply narrowed the window of

time during which you were approved to give the vaccine in pregnancy. So you gave it a little bit later. It was a narrower window, and the FDA kept their fingers crossed that maybe it wouldn't cause prematurity. Or if it didn't, you wouldn't notice it because it was being given later. So the premature births would happen later, and they wouldn't really count as premature, probably if they were after 36 weeks.

So that was the game that was played. Let me tell you how many babies, according to CDC, actually died from RSV in the United States or die. So in 2021, the CDC published data from 12 years of all death certificates. And they found that there were 26 babies a year in the United States whose death certificate listed RSV as at least a contributor to their death per year, and 17 for whom RSV was the causative factor. So there are 4 million births per year in the United States, and there were 17 babies a year dying from RSV. That is one in 250,000. Now, if the vaccine is causing 10% more

or 20% more premature births, you're going to kill a lot more newborns with the vaccine than you save with the rsv you know if you prevent if in fact it prevents rsv it's a good example of again how pediatricians think 17 deaths they're like 17 babies die you have to do something you must do something and it's just like well well, yeah, I agree. I don't want babies to die, but let's talk about treatment or how would they manage or do they get proper care? Are there other elements going on here as opposed to taking the entire population

of pregnant women and saying, we must give you a vaccine? And are the women being vaccinated to give immunity to the kids or are pregnant women also dying from RSV? No, pregnant women are not dying from RSV. It's there. So it's for the children. Entirely for the children. Oh, my God.

What has happened to us? What is going on in our profession? What has happened to us? This is like astonishing stuff. Yeah. Well, what happened to us during covid right we've been led along a garden path and we're continuing to go down it well what are they doing to you now what is your story up to bring us up to date last we talked they were going after your license and all kinds

of crazy things yeah so you know my license has been suspended for more than two years, and the board has given me all these punishments it wants me to do in order to get my license back, but it's not clear that I would ever get my license back because they make the decision. But something very amusing happened a month ago, and that is I got a letter from the Board of Medicine in Massachusetts. Now, I had a license in Massachusetts from 85 to 99, and it lapsed 25 years ago.

And I moved to Maine 26 years ago. And they said in this letter, well, you have an inchoate right to ask for your license to be renewed. And therefore, we have a right to discipline you because of your right. Not that I'd ever want to renew my license in Massachusetts. So we are going, unless you sign this form and admit you're guilty, we are going to recommend discipline for you. Well, that's very interesting. So I thought, really, you know, I haven't practiced in your state. I don't own property there. There's nothing. How could you possibly discipline me for not having been? And in fact, you know, the things I was found guilty of, I'd never done. So

anyway, it turned out, so Jud judicial watch wrote to the massachusetts board because they can ask questions so they sent a freedom of information act how many doctors have you found this inchoate right to go after them when they don't even have a license in your state. And so they got a list back of about 25 doctors that they've gone after. Well, guess what? They've only been doing this since 2022. So it's only the last two years that Massachusetts has started threatening doctors. And I happen to know three of the doctors on the list. And I happen to know one of them was prescribing ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine. These are people that are no longer practicing in Massachusetts. this crazy inchoate right to try to punish doctors in other states who had the temerity to treat COVID patients or maybe complain about the vaccine.

And what kind of punishment can they issue? So they didn't say in their letter, I said, I can call them and discuss this further, but that the investigator would be recommending discipline to the appropriate committee of the medical board. That is wild. Is anybody else on the legal frontier interested in maybe reacting to this? You know, it's so crazy. I thought we've spent, you know, Children's Health Defense has spent hundreds of thousands of dollars and I've spent thousands of dollars on my defense and I don't really want to spend any more to go after Massachusetts. So I think I'm just going to leave it and see what they have to say. You know, let's see what they try to do to me.

But, you know, it's lawfare. I mean, that, you know, what are they doing to Trump? You know, they're just hooking up cases. These poor January 6 victims, they're going after a reporter. They put him in leg chains and belly chains in Washington after asking him to voluntarily turn up on a certain date, and he did. And then when they bring him in the courtroom, they've got him handcuffed in leg chains. You know, this was a report for The Blaze. So this is really, it's a game they're playing. You know, how can we get the biggest bang for the buck and make you look ridiculous and terrible and guilty.

You know, you must have committed a big crime to be in all these chains, you know, and I must have committed a terrible crime to have, you know, now two states going after me when I've never had a malpractice case, never had a board, anything before. Has the, is the American College of Physicians said anything? You know, they're the worst. I forget. What was the guy's name? Okay.

Royal or something. Forget his name. He's just left as the head of the American College of Physicians. He was making $1.2 million a year in that little job. And he has been in the forefront of going after doctors for misinformation, disinformation. So that organization was probably paid off well for doing so. They were right at the beginning of it. So what they've done is

gone after peter mccullough pierre cory and others like them um and once they do that they notify the insurance companies and so you can't collect in medical health insurance now from patients you're treating because the insurers are refusing even even though, you know, Pierre Corey probably has four board certifications, but they took away the first one. They haven't gone after my internal medicine board certification, probably because they let the medical board, you know, in my state take care of me. I think thousands of doctors have gotten these threatening letters and it's been successful at keeping them quiet. And what is it you're supposed to have had done? So, well, what I was originally charged with was spreading misinformation on the internet

and treating patients with off-label drugs. Now, I knew that those things were all legal. And so I said, come after me. I'm happy. I would love to have a First Amendment case with you guys. And so it took a year to get to a hearing. And in the three weeks before the hearing, they dropped all those charges. And instead they settled on, the board settled on, you didn't follow the telemedicine rules, even though the governor had suspended them. You did not maintain patient confidentiality. You were talking to a patient's son and husband about their case, even though they lived in the same house and they were taking care of the patient and things like that. And the patients came to the hearing, they gave evidence and they said, no,

we gave full consent. There was no breach of confidentiality. Didn't matter. The board found me guilty anyway. So basically that's my story. Kangaroo courts, right? Yeah, it was a kangaroo court. And it really was amusing. But here I am. They turned me into a victim. They made me well-known.

The Epoch Times broadcast my hearing every day, as did Children's Health Defense. A million people apparently saw me at this hearing. So they made me an object now people like you are willing to speak with me and i appreciate that so in the end the board probably did us all a favor oh boy that's a that's an optimistic spin i i just don't recognize our profession or this country i i just it's just astonishing to me uh it is it i i sometimes think oh we got to really fight this we got to stand up we got to speak the truth uh as as we understand it and you know defend free speech and things and then i the other hand i think ah screw it i'm moving to france i'm done i've had enough of this you know it's just worse in europe because because the system has um centralized power in europe and is centralizing it more and more every day so um and christine anderson will tell you this tomorrow the nation the people in the can't fix problems at the level of the nation state anymore in europe 27 nations are members of the European Union,

and they are really, you know, putting the noose around their neck regarding free speech and other things. So unfortunately, yeah, I used to think that too. There is nowhere you can go now. Look, the WHO probably didn't even want these powers. This was a global plan to centralize control. It came out of the United States, the UK, and probably other places, and very wealthy people, and people like Tony Fauci and Jeremy Farrar were integral in this plan. Jeremy Farrar has been moved from head of the Wellcome Trust

to the chief scientist at the WHO to bring this forward. The plan is also to make vaccines in 100 days, develop them in 100 days, manufacture them in 30 more days, and then give them out to the whole country. And the WHO will have the power to mandate them if these documents are approved in the way they're written now. So it's really incumbent upon everyone, if you want your freedom, if you want to be able to talk about vaccines and drugs the way I did, you don't have to be a physician. But if you want to be able to choose your medicine, choose your doctor, choose your care, you have to do something because otherwise your doctor will be forced to practice medicine the way the WHO or the U.S. government says. And we know what went down during COVID. And that is what the plan is to happen again,

except this time with even less tested. If you make a vaccine in 100, normally it takes 10 years to 15 years to create a vaccine that is safe and effective. If you make a vaccine in 100 days, we have no idea if it's effective. We have no idea if it's safe. Most vaccines fail during the development process. You can almost bet on the fact it's not going to be

safe and it's not going to be effective. But you're going to have to take it if these documents go through and our government enforces them. And the U.S. government was one of the creators of all this. So I think we can assume that they are going to want to enforce. It's a big problem. But if you can contact everyone you know, every official you know at the state and local level and tell them this is not what you want. You want your own bodily autonomy. It will be very important. Texas yesterday had a primary and the Texas Republicans asked the citizens who were voting to comment on a number of questions. And one of those questions was, did they think they should have the right without

coercion to have informed consent to say yes or no to vaccines? And 92% of Texans who voted, that was over 2 million people, said, we want the right. We don't want government mandates for vaccines. And we have the, yeah, I would hope Americans would react that way. Then there's the hidden issue that you and I in our careers didn't have to deal with quite so much, but the electronic record controls so much that there's other ways they can get, get at us and control and demand that we do certain things. And that's another issue that's been percolating along for quite some time.

Yeah, you're, you're absolutely right. I mean, that was the end of medical privacy was the electronic medical record. And in my office, I actually kept paper records for that reason and physician and physician autonomy and physician and i in in my office we have physicians

at both electronic and paper and all the electronic and the electronic physician says don't do it stay still you won't believe what the encumbrance is stop it. Stay with the paper. So that is what I have done. And I won't be doing it too many more years, but my patients have asked me to continue, so I love doing it. And I'm sure you feel like I do. It's fascinating. It's great.

It's a wonderful privilege. I like taking care of very, very, very sick people, so everyone's problem lists are a mile long. And I love interacting with my subspecialty peers and I love thinking about these things and reading and keeping up on stuff and I'm sure you've done that like me our entire career

it's who we are and the thought that that has to be taken away is just a lot for me to swallow anything else Dr. Nass before we wrap this up we've sort of run the cycle, as they say. We've run the bases. I appreciate you fighting the fight. I appreciate the update. And thank you for the information. She's come a long way in a year.

More than a long way. We had her on a year ago. She's been through a lot. I forget come a long way. Been through a lot. And indeed, long way, been through a lot. And indeed, I guess what Susan's reacting to is your positivity about this. It makes it feel more like having come a long way than having been through just so much. So congratulations on that. Yeah, it's just, you know, you guys are great medical doctors

and, you know, we had this emergency vaccine. Maybe it was good at the beginning. But why push it on everybody, every age, forever? It was an emergency. It isn't safe. People are dying from it. And we all need to listen to our common sense and call your local authorities and say, please don't stop. Well, is there any sort of signatures or anything? Is there anything you want to do in terms of the local,

the state officials that you guys are going after? Is it their phone, people to call or anything, a website or anything? Yeah. Yeah. So we have a model resolution on the Door to Freedom website and also on the sovereigntycoalition.org website. There's also an Align Act. So with a few clicks, you can go and send a message

to all your officials, you know, all your state and local officials. You can send a message to the president too. But the more messages we get out there, and of course they prefer a phone call or a letter or a fax that counts more than simply a few clicks. But whatever you do, just make your feelings known. You want the ability to choose your own vaccines, to choose your own drugs, to choose your own doctor, choose the kind of medical care you're going to have in future because the people we entrusted up until now, you know, fell down on the job and in fact made decisions that harmed us, that did not help us. And they should not be in a position of power any longer. You know, the whole system should have changed as a result, but nobody has admitted what was done wrong because

they want to do it again and that's a big big problem and you know i'm sorry i'm bringing you very bad news they want to do it and we have to stop them they've they've said it they've said they want to control it they've been quite clear they're also not willing to admit they were wrong because they don't want to get sued caleb can we we put a link on our, I don't know, homepage or something or email blast or anything like that? Yes, I'll put it up on the website for this one right after the show. Okay, there you go. Okay, so it's sovereigntycoalition.org.

Dr. Meryl Nass, follow her on X at Meryl, Nass, Meryl, N-A-S-S-M-E-R-L. Keep fighting the good fight. Keep fighting and we'll check in with you again soon. Thank you so much for joining us. Thank you. Bye-bye now. You got it.

And as I said a few moments ago, Christine Anderson in here tomorrow. She is a European Union MP who has got, she is, if you've seen some of the outspoken firebrands in europe she's one of them mike bands who is going to scare the crap out of us i suspect he has a lot of concerns about the intelligence uh state uh dr david cartland coming in warren smith and greg glukianoff i'm very excited to talk to him uh greg i listened to him on um lex lex a freedman show excellent guy, he's from Fire.

He wrote a book. I brought the book with me. It's in my backpack here. Actually, I didn't bring it. I left it at home because I realized it was going to be after we returned home that I have it, but I read it carefully, and it is called the,

Caleb, help me. Is it not the Coddling of the American Mind? The Silencing of the American Mind, something like that. Very good book. Peter McCullough coming in. We heard little we're talking about peter mccullough today drea de mateo susan who you met over at the rfk thing the actress susan from uh soprano who's been speaking out a little bit lately uh and g van fleet and we will see you all tomorrow it's noon pacific

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