Ask Dr. Drew - Will Smith, Addiction, Narcissism & More From Callers – Ask Dr. Drew – Episode 86

Episode Date: May 6, 2022

This episode of Ask Dr. Drew is dedicated to YOUR questions! Dr. Drew answers viewer calls about Will Smith's on-stage slap of Chris Rock during the Academy Awards, addiction, narcissism and more. [This podcast was originally broadcast on April 4, 2022] Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Kaleb Nation ( https://kalebnation.com) and Susan Pinsky (https://twitter.com/FirstLadyOfLove). SPONSORS • BLUE MICS – After more than 30 years in broadcasting, Dr. Drew’s iconic voice has reached pristine clarity through Blue Microphones. But you don’t need a fancy studio to sound great with Blue’s lineup: ranging from high-quality USB mics like the Yeti, to studio-grade XLR mics like Dr. Drew’s Blueberry. Find your best sound at https://drdrew.com/blue  • ELGATO – Every week, Dr. Drew broadcasts live shows from his home studio under soft, clean lighting from Elgato’s Key Lights. From the control room, the producers manage Dr. Drew’s streams with a Stream Deck XL, and ingest HD video with a Camlink 4K. Add a professional touch to your streams or Zoom calls with Elgato. See how Elgato’s lights transformed Dr. Drew’s set: https://drdrew.com/sponsors/elgato/  THE SHOW: For over 30 years, Dr. Drew Pinsky has taken calls from all corners of the globe, answering thousands of questions from teens and young adults. To millions, he is a beacon of truth, integrity, fairness, and common sense. Now, after decades of hosting Loveline and multiple hit TV shows – including Celebrity Rehab, Teen Mom OG, Lifechangers, and more – Dr. Drew is opening his phone lines to the world by streaming LIVE from his home studio in California. On Ask Dr. Drew, no question is too extreme or embarrassing because the Dr. has heard it all. Don’t hold in your deepest, darkest questions any longer. Ask Dr. Drew and get real answers today. This show is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. All information exchanged during participation in this program, including interactions with DrDrew.com and any affiliated websites, are intended for educational and/or entertainment purposes only. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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please contact Connex Ontario at 1-866-531-2600 to speak to an advisor free of charge. BetMGM operates pursuant to an operating agreement with iGaming Ontario. Today, it's anything you want to talk about. I'm out on the restream watching you guys. And of course, we're in Clubhouse as always. And for Clubhouse, all you gotta do is raise your hand and uh i'll bring you up uh from the from the audience in the podium in fact i've got a few questions a few hands up right now let's do it our laws as it pertained to substances are draconian and bizarre the psychopaths start this right he was an alcoholic

because of social media and pornography btsd love addiction. Fentanyl and heroin, ridiculous. I'm a doctor for f***'s sake. Where the hell do you think I learned that? I'm just saying, you go to treatment before you kill people. I am a clinician. I observe things about these chemicals. Let's just deal with what's real. We used to get these calls on Loveline all the time.

Educate adolescents and to prevent and to treat. If you have trouble, you can't stop and you want to help stop it, I can help. I got a lot to say. I got a lot more to say. Lizzie, Lizzie Press. We'll just get right to the calls. I've got a couple other things I want to talk about. I noticed on some of the live streams I've been on, there's a lot of interest in narcissism all at once, all of a sudden again. Hi, Lizzie, what's going on? Can you hear me? Sorry. Did I unmute

myself? Yep, you did. Okay. Oh my God. I am sorry. I'm like, I'm not trying to fangirl out or anything like that. I just want you to know that I've been like, uh, and this is, let me include your wife in this because I think she's lovely too. Um, I have been, you've been a focus of like my, let me explain the fantasy. There it is. It's not, this should be interesting. Please get right to it. Let me, let me make it easy for you. I've noticed how intimate the relationships are with YouTube and streaming shows and stuff. It feels like your friend you're hanging out with, right? And you really feel like you miss them if you don't go to the – if you miss a show. Yeah, it's very odd.

So, but go ahead. It's a weird – it's a very weird feeling. It's funny you should mention that because, like, you know, with just celebrity in general, it's like I don't like that feeling of like i know something about somebody but they don't know me like and how you know the cult of celebrity in this in this uh country and all that so it's not yes it's more of like what you do that i'm such a fan of but specifically okay you were part of a movie i don't know the depth of how how big of a part you were. I know you narrated it. Oh, yeah. Divorce Corp. Yeah, Divorce Corp. Yeah, that was developed and written. They came to me to read the narration and to help with promotion, but I got rather involved with it. And the guy that really spearheaded it was a surgeon who became a biotech entrepreneur and then got a divorce.

And he said he was, he's a super bright guy. And he just said he was sitting in family court and watching these catastrophes roll by. And he thought some, first of all, I need to understand what's going on here better. Clearly there's a lot of hidden information uh and secondly this is a catastrophe this this

is a mess and thus divorce court well i want to thank you by the way for that and uh you know for all you do because i i you know we all know but, that movie in particular. So I'm living that nightmare and have been for about a decade, um, 10 years, about a decade. Uh, and, and so we'll say the irony is, uh, I did have a baby with us sort of a celebrity. Okay. And he's an actor and I mean, you know, character actor, so whatever, it's not super famous, but probably makes, it will definitely make seven figures minimum for the rest of his life. Um, but he stole my child.

Uh, he took me to court. He absolutely used the family court. I don't know how much you remember of that movie and the, the, just the ills of what goes on there and just, it's, it it's and i am in a place so and then has now he lost by the way he completely lost in court and this is what i find to be sort of terrifying in a way that if you really think about it whether it's the the supreme court of any state or or or just of the supreme court which is sort of the highest uh you know the highest i i feel like there's a big big problem with accountability in in in our world in our country and who who is the supreme court who are the courts accountable to really nobody that's that was well especially family court family court the the parts you don't realize that sort of if i could just summarize some of the some of the

really serious concerns i had after learning about this. Absolutely. First of all, you relinquish your constitutional privileges at the door. It is outside of the normal function of our Constitution. I don't understand why that happens or how that happens, but it happens. Number one. Number two, the judges and the attorneys involved in family court are all very chummy, sort of work for each other and consult with each other. And then you throw in the psychologists, and that is sort of an endless source of revenue for people that want to keep milling the conflict.

It's just going to keep going and going and going and the attorneys will do it keep it going until the money runs out it's just it's just unreal and if you're if you're a regular person like i was who was with and i don't you know i do really believe my ex has absolutely covert malignant narcissism the only difference i feel like is between someone like a donald trump or and and my ex is like my ex is a paid liar so you could see donald trump coming from a mile away you know what you're doing with someone that's an actor they're like paid to lie and so when somebody wants and i think there's a lot, and you're one of the few people that touches on this subject. I don't think, so I think it's a lot easier.

And look, I'm guilty of this myself. It's a lot easier to, well, it's hard for people to accept evil. So that's what I'm guilty of. Because I was with this guy, and I think we were too young. We were teenagers. So I don't think he knew or I knew, uh, you know,

at the time, but like, um, it's people have a hard time understanding evil. And so instead of like getting their heads around that, they would rather say, Oh, it's probably something wrong with me.

Well, so hold on. So you're getting into this kind of where I wanted to go today, but you've taken it. You've leapt into a really interesting aspect of it. What do you mean by evil? Because this is something, you know, I mean. And so I want to make it clear that so I won my case.

Yeah, let's not let's not let's not aim at a particular my kid. Yeah, let's not let's not aim at anybody. You know, yeah, well, that's awful. Yeah, I'll just make it just brief by saying I won my case and he stole my kid anyway. So for 10 years, my child's been not kidnapped legally by utilizing the court system. He just did it anyway, and there's no accountability. And so when I say evil, I've done sort of a deep dive over about a decade studying this to really understand i didn't even know the word narcissist other than that meaning vain like how my stepmom used to

call me and my sister narcissistic like we were vain i didn't know about narcissistic disorder meaning lacking empathy and what comes with that and what the level that these people will go to and i really think people just are like and as time goes on like you know this person used the pandemic as just a complete like way to completely block off communication with my son and i who i've always been extremely i raised him the first five years of his life we've always been extremely close and now it's it's just terrifying and so i think people underestimate the level of what it's very hard to to to come to to grips with evil and that it exists well let me let me let me you've you've given us a nice sort of springboard to to you know to pursue this conversation this evening so lizzie i'm going to put you back in the audience.

I thank you for coming on and thank you for the nice comments. And hopefully you can keep, we'll keep taking your questions here on Clubhouse as time goes on, because we do do these on a regular basis. And I'm happy to, I do kind of remember when people show up here. So, so let's, let's talk about it just for a minute. And I see you guys in the waiting room here with hands up. I'll get you in a second.

One of the things on the restream here, do we all agree that evil exists? Okay. And the question, though, it gets rather complicated. Where mental illness or neurological problems or personality disorders leave off and evil begins. The only kind of evil I know of is psychopathic evil where people actually enjoy seeing other people suffering. There is such a thing as someone who has various kinds of, there's various syndromes of arousal, the worst being sexual, other just being glee and delight in other people's misery and horror.

And that can go very, very bad. So that is evil as far as I'm concerned, but that is pretty rare. That is, I mean, you have to be a psychopath, you have to probably been severely abused as a child, and then you still have to find enjoyment from other people's misery which is not a not a normal yeah johnny demonic himself a demon says get ready for buckle in for nature versus nurture right there are some genetic

correlates to psychopathy obviously uh so in fact some people believe that pure psychopathy is really a genetic disorder. Psychopaths really are people that don't have feelings. That's not what narcissists are, right? Narcissists are people for whom feelings don't matter very much, at least in certain circumstances. They lose track of them. And not only so much feelings, but your feelings in particular. And so they have what's called empathic failure, particularly when they're getting angry and they're sort of engaged in their narcissistic rage or you interfere with them getting something they want very much, then your feelings really

have really may not matter. A psychopath literally doesn't know what a feeling is. It's interesting when if you've seen the the hulu series dropout about elizabeth holmes the one woman that did this business with the stupid drop of blood uh for theranos she several times in the scripts goes i i know i'm not normal i don't have feelings because i know i love you but i just don't have feelings like other people have feelings and it's it's well portrayed in there so not having one of the things that really sets people up to do evil is not having feelings right because if you don't have feelings if you can't appreciate feelings in yourself how can you appreciate them in someone else right and so narcissists lose track of them now there are three uh let's see i'm looking at your comments on recent here

just a second don't shame me for liking to be oh no uh no shame can't shame me that's not what i'm getting into uh humor and awful things to laugh it off instead of getting sucked into the depression well humor and awful things uh as long as it's a strategy for dealing with awful things, not a way of actually ignoring awful things or pretending they don't exist or actually finding glee in awful things. So, okay. So, there are three common sort of personality disorders are characterized by a b and c essentially there's dependent personalities of just compulsive personalities of paranoid personalities but the cluster b personalities are the ones that have been absolutely predominant for the last 50 years before that they were not in fact in the late 19th century people debated whether narcissistic

personality disorder even existed that's's how unusual it was. And now it is commonplace. But equally as common is borderline, which is the other one in the cluster B trait, the narcissistic cluster. So it's borderline personality disorder, sociopathic personality disorder, and narcissistic personality disorder. But actually having a personality disorder is fairly unusual. It's only a few percentage points in the population at large.

But having traits of one of these three areas, exceedingly common today. Exceedingly common. And it's creating lots of trouble, lots of problems. And I would say the number one problem is envy. And I saw it coming when I wrote the book, The Mirror Effect. If you look through there, you'll see me referencing envy a lot. I wanted to write an entire chapter on it and how I felt that envy is what creates the guillotines. There it is, an old book. Thank you, Caleb. And that the guillotines

would come out. I knew it was much like pre-revolutionary France when I wrote that book. And I said that there's got to be a time when we start scapegoating massively and that's it. That's cancel culture. That is what that is. That is acting out of envy. If somebody else triggers envy or narcissistic rage, you must bring them down. And envy is not jealousy. Jealousy is you are, you have something I want. I'm going to work really hard to get it. It makes me uncomfortable. I don't like that you have it and I don't. Envy is you have something that I don't have. I have to knock you down. I have to bring you down to my level. That's a disgusting trait.

A terrible, terrible trait. All right, so we'll talk more about it in just a second. Finn, what's going on? You hear me? I hear you. George. Excellent. So it's been a minute.

I posted a couple of times at locals. There's a guy called Jack Barsky. He's former KGB. Uh, he's now an American citizen, has an incredible, uh, autobiography,

brand new podcast series. And right as the Russia, Ukraine thing started, he's been a contributor on podcasts and all the major, um, uh, cable news channels. He's very easy to get a hold of. I've had email exchanges with him before, and I think he would be a phenomenal guest for this stream. All right, Susan, make note.

Be very interesting. I see I'm looking at his Wikipedia right now. A lot of goofy stuff. Write it down. I'm sure you know the show the americans yeah he was one of those oh interesting the real deal yeah it's a phenomenal life story he's born in uh east germany was a chemist and recruited by the kgb sent to the states lived in his american fake being american for 10 years and eventually what he calls retired from the kgb and it's been a um and his takes on the internals of you know the

former kgb and now you know what's now the fsb and the kremlin are are quite interesting can you give us a little sketch a little a little like he's preview what we're going to learn uh i think let me think of one specific thing uh well he he talks a lot about um how you know people are saying that putin wants the the great putin thought that the greatest tragedy of the 20th century was the downfall of the soviet union he's trying to rebuild it but in reality from from his perspective he's trying to rebuild the russian empire and and ukraine you know particularly um kiev was the start of the russian uh culture the roots the culture yeah no he wants he wants he wants to restore the slavic roots in the slavic empire right yeah and

uh another thing um it's a little bit unrelated but he he also spoke about yuri the yuri besman video that's that one from the how that one from the 70s where he was describing how right how they would deconstruct america yeah right and his perspective was the kgb was not powerful enough to do what bezmanoff said and bezmanoff wasn't actually like a kgb agent per se i mean he was affiliated but yeah it's it's wild stuff um he got into the whole thing on Patrick Bet-David's podcast about that. But yeah, I just think he would be a really fun talk. I've already sent the emails out, and we'll see if they can track him down. So it's done a done.

Sweet. Excellent. Excellent. Thanks, George. Appreciate it. No problem. Well done. Our buddy Leopold was there on the line.

There he is. Let's get Leopold up here. And Susan, don't you owe Leopold an appearance on the line. There he is. Let's get Leopold up here. And Susan, don't you owe Leopold an appearance on this show? Yeah, and a bobblehead. Leopold. You have to sign a couple of them for me because every time I go, oh, I've got to send these, you have to sign them. Leopold's the winner. Hey, Leopold.

Leopold. And who's the other one? It was, oh, God, what's his name? Harley. Oh, yeah. I haven't forgotten you you i'm just horrible at putting stuff in the mail and leopold i don't know if you're talking but your mic is muted or were you being kind to susan

you get your collector's item it'll be untouched you're still muted there you go there you are hey dr drew hey you sound good how's your? Oh my God. Like a hundred times better. Good. I was in a health immersion. I can't really talk in detail about it. I could talk to you off air about it. Is it in this country? No, it was in the Middle East. Oh, I've heard about these places. Yes, yes.

And it really worked huh oh my god uh the pain uh is about 90 percent gone the i'm off three different medications already uh it's amazing and it's as simple as it could be um i mean i i would not have believed it if you told me that, you know, doing what we did in this health immersion would solve a lot of the issues. How long was it? What's that? How long were you there? I was there for three weeks and basically lost 14 pounds. I'm off medication.

Right. 14 pounds i uh i'm off medication right uh the pain pain is gone um and it was as simple as being on a whole plant food diet and then stress reduction through yoga and uh mild exercise i i know it sounds so ridiculously easy and basic and and i would not have believed if you said this is what you need to do to you know kind of uh cure some of these long covid symptoms i would not have believed isn't that interesting and i've got a friend that had took the booster and got severe long-term covid like severe yeah and so i may uh talk to him about well i you know i've been talking with joe and boy i mean he and i have you know with all the studies and reading some of the interesting uh stuff about the booster shots and it actually inducing yeah some issues oh yeah no

no it's not without risk let's be super clear about it it's not without risk and and weird that we i couldn't say that three months ago you know without being deplatformed it's just such of course well yeah well of course it's bullshit yeah but uh you know i i know that you are a avid meat eater i am but but i to to i've had the you know i'm much like jordan peterson who had an extreme positive response to the eat i that's been my really had a positive response i really have the more that when i get away from it i don't feel as good interesting yeah i think there are different biologies out there i think that's what it boils down to very Very different. Okay. I got you. But, you know, I wanted to also talk to your first caller's point. You know, I know that you know that I was going through a family court issue. Right.

$100,000 in three years of prolonged agony has finally come to an end. But, you know, family court is, it looks like a court. Just like you said in divorce court, if you can remember some of this stuff. Oh, yeah. It looks like a court. There's a judge. There's lawyers. There's clerks.

But it's not a court. It's not a real court. No. And you leave your privileges at the door, which is the really weird thing about it. That's crazy. Well, you know and and that's the thing your fate is in the hands of one judge there's no jury and and you're right the judges and the lawyers all know each other they're very chummy and basically they try to milk every last

bit out of you and say okay then we'll finally come to a an agreement but that's after going through the ringer and like i said i spent a hundred grand on a on something i shouldn't have spent any money on i know i'm so sorry i'm so sorry i had a mediation i had a you know 12 years ago and that was essentially an agreement you know that you know this is what you're going to get and my ex you know basically got if you invested, this is what you're going to get. And my ex, you know, basically got no debt. If you invested that money, you'd have a million bucks. That's right. Oh my God, Susan, it's so right.

Yeah. And there's a weird, there's a weird manipulation that goes on with the lawyers where they go to both parties. They'll go like, well, that's your right. That's your right to do this. So don't you want to get what's rightfully yours? And then they, and they know that's another year of their fighting and collecting fees, right? And, you know, there's no lawyer that will take it on contingency because it's an hourly, you know.

So, you know, they have no incentive to stop the fight. No, it's disincentivized, in fact. Quite the opposite. Yeah. Yeah. Well, it's disincentivized, in fact. Quite the opposite. Yeah. Well, of course. And the thing that's fueling it, basically, is anyone who owns a home in California, if there's equity in it, that's what the lawyers will ask. Susan, promise me we never

get divorced. Right here in front of everybody. Susan, you ready? Don't worry about it. Make the commitment right now we'll never get divorced, no matter what. We're good. Except when you're being an angle bitch sometimes. What? Say sometimes what say it again say it again what you just have to put up with me being an angry bitch sometimes okay but if it comes to divorce just go ahead and shoot me because you just go ahead you just go ahead and commit murder so i can go to jail no i won't tell anybody don't worry you'll be dead yeah well let me tell you something.

You know, Jeanette and I got married. And before I got married to her, I told her I had to prenup her. And it's California. I said, we're in the state of California. It is the most horrific. To have family court be in your life is the worst thing ever. Yeah. Yeah. And you've had several guests on in the past who've been raped by the family court.

Oh, my God. What's his name? The guy I met over on Gutfeld. The comedian, the actor. He's an actor, right? Yeah. He was really. I mean, I was skeptical.

I had to read his book. Oh, yeah. I read his book, too. Yeah. It just sounded like his book. Oh, yeah. I read his book, too. Yeah. It just sounded like there was something wrong with him. Well, it sounded like he was distorting certain things, but I'll be damned if there weren't. He had all the evidence. They treated him so poorly.

It's like, well, what was wrong with you? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's just not right. It was bad. Well, when you go through, when you get rear-ended by the family court you come out you know kind of warped and uh and and not thinking straight because you know i went through three years of hell and so i feel bad for the your first caller oh my god i know it's terrible so ring it ring out on my narcissism and evil uh topic any do you have a definition of evil? Well, it's funny that you

should mention that. So it just so happens one of my good friends who I met in a 12-step happens to be a family court lawyer. So it kind of all ties together. Is he the evil? Is he the devil? Is that what you're saying? You met a devil in 12-step? Well, the funny thing is, you're saying you met a devil in 12 step well well well the funny thing is you know you meet people in 12 step he's the son of an incredibly famous screenwriter and and he uh practices schadenfreude i mean you know that concept right you know the pleasure of seeing people in pain and he likes that he likes that yeah he's and and i can only take little doses of him i can't be with him too often does he feel like he's getting like people like justifying like he feels like this is justice for people that deserve it or something yeah well you know he's a very you know he's very um he makes woody allen look normal in terms of his neuroses he's a member of uh my

tribe and and uh basically you know we inherently have issues with it with neuroses. He's a member of my tribe. And basically, you know, we inherently have issues with neuroses and such, but he takes it to a new level. And he, you know, the thing with him is, he's a loner, but he's brilliant. He's a brilliant man, but he has lots of issues in it. He is a narcissist and he has a lot of issues of issues and like i said i can only take small doses of him you know uh i mean like it sounds like i find intriguing yeah interesting to thump on him a little bit and see how he functions oh well my ex-wife wants to torture him to death that's how wow you surrounded yourself with people with certain proclivities earlier hold on just saying this is is true, Dr. Drew.

Listen, the only normal one that I've had as far is Jeanette. So I have very few people. I got to put you back down. We've got a bunch of hands up here. So, but thank you. We're going to get you on here, Susan, right? Yeah, you got to get topics together and we can, you know. I love it.

Chit chat. All right. It sounds great. I love it. All right. The winner. The winner. All right. The where is the I love it. The winner. The winner. All right.

The where is the Dr. Drew bobblehead, which is here. Susan would slay me if I didn't mention this. And you should go get your bobbleheads where, Susan? Dr. Drew.com slash shop. Yeah, you got it. There it is. You must be slow on the sales because you've been anxious when you've been moving the bobbleheads around lately. Yes?

No, I'm just typing right now. Okay. You you know i can only do one thing i'm gonna i'm gonna ask you to uh turn and then i had to turn my mic on i'm gonna ask you to turn your attention this way for a second okay what do you want i know people are asking for you no no susan no susan where is susan on the stream i'm i'm responding okay but they want you a guy named sean merrick but i don't know if it's the same one that i used to work with at at sideshow oh interesting i remember sean he was he produced my calling out with susan pinsky and which you're going to bring back right yeah we're thinking about it in may so you'll be able to be coming up in may i'm coming up in may for the mommies out there you'll appreciate that uh i want to get any on here on my show oh really that's interesting all right let me bring uh bruce wayne up here his uh hi bruce bruce bruce mcqueen how are you sir

hi thank you i'd like to ask you doctor what's your medical specialty okay psychology so let me tell you my training so um i had really good science training at amherst college did four years of medical school then i did uh three years of general internal medicine then i ended up doing a chief residency in teaching internal medicine then i continued to teach and had an assistant clinical professor position in internal medicine. Alongside of that, I started working in a psychiatric hospital. And in that hospital, I ran their medical services. I became sort of an expert in the medical care of psychiatric patients.

But in 1991, I ended up taking over their addiction services and became the program medical director of addiction medicine. And then got a second professorship through the Department of Psychiatry, where I was teaching medical students of addiction medicine, and then got a second professorship through the department of psychiatry, uh, where I was teaching medical students about addiction medicine. And so I sort of had two simultaneous, well, three simultaneous careers. I had the outpatient medicine,

inpatient medicine, and ran a large addiction recovery program. And so my opinions on addiction recovery and addiction treatment are pretty, you know, I've, I've been through so many cycles and fads and ideas in addiction treatment are pretty, um, you know, I've, I've been through so many cycles and fads and ideas in addiction treatment. I'm very skeptical of moving too far from the basics. And I'm concerned when my peers aren't trained in the full spectrum of how, how addiction treatment

goes. Anyway, that's, that's a sidebar, but that, so, so my train, I'm also, I'm a fellow with the American college of physician. I'm a fellow with the American board of addiction medicine. I have double board certified and there you go. Great. Great. Fantastic. Thank you. I'd like to ask you from your professional perspective, what do you think would cause

Will Smith to get up on stage at the Oscars and slap another celebrity? It's a really important question, and I'm not sure we'll ever know the answer. I will tell you that I've treated a lot of celebrities over the years, and whenever there has been behaviors upon which people are speculating in the celebrity press, TMZ and whatever. They're trying to figure out what's gotten into that guy. I can assure you when I actually got them in the room and closed the door and evaluated this person, the problems were far worse, far worse than anything anybody had speculated so what causes somebody to violate the sort of norms of behavior whereby the basic principle of audience and performer and you know what those

roles are is violated that and on live tv that's a something really profound is going on i don't know what i don't know how you know i i hope he's okay but uh it is something and i i suspect we will never know uh but it's not nothing i i promise you it's not nothing it's some something um i don't know what i couldn't couldn't even speculate there's many things that I can see, behaviors I can see, and I can, you know, like when Charlie Sheen became hypomanic, he actually became manic. That was easy to see. That's what that is. That's, you know, if you were teaching in medical school and you wanted to show an example of mania, you'd roll the tape of Charlie Sheen back in those days when he was strung out on a lot of stuff. Now, what was the mania due to? I don't think I don't think Will Smith was high

on pot though did I say that well you sound like a real dog I don't know what I don't know if you've done that I don't know if he's hiring anything Susan I always you're saying you're saying I'm not a doctor I'm just really yeah we because there was aggression so I So I see. Okay. Yeah. Like, you know, sometimes when people drink one too many, they forget where they are. So you think it could be drinking? Yeah.

Okay. So that's possible. I don't think it was drinking at that time. I think that, yeah. What do you think? You have a theory? What do I think? What do you think? I think that you probably understand this a lot better than other people that actually don't live in California and Los Angeles.

I'm assuming that you live there. But I think that being a celebrity is so stressful that people cannot even comprehend what it's like. I think it's like hell basically and especially when the media narrative about your life changes as well yes he has gotten some bad press for the last two years yeah so to find the catharsis for that and to essentially expel a lot of the stress aggression and anger was probably difficult for him. Being a celebrity, I guess they feel that they have to do it in a public way too because an ordinary person, if they're angry, they will get their anger out.

Let me tell you, having had a public life and treated many, many, many celebrities, being a celebrity is not that difficult. It's better. It's better than not being a celebrity. So that difficult. It's better. It's better than not being a celebrity. So what they fear, oh yeah. What they fear is losing the celebrity, being irrelevant, getting older. That's what they freak out about. The celebrities, there are a few that hate it.

They're, you know who they are, you know, they're they're but but most of them fear losing it now you're absolutely correct bruce when it comes to the narratives and the negative press they freak out you gotta remember most of these people have never had a job and their identity is completely caught up in bullshit frankly and so you can tell the difference between celebrities that have had real jobs and those that have not. It's an important thing to have worked in the world and toiled. If it's all been zero gravity celebrity life, you don't know anything else. And you cling to it like a maniac, which is what happens to a lot of these folks. And because their whole identity is tied into it, any threat upon it includes a deep threat

to who they are. So it's a little different than you imagine. In fact, when you're treating a celebrity, the greatest problem I have is the speed with which they want to return to work. That is their greatest threat in terms of them getting better from addiction and things like that so it's it's an it's interesting but it's not as though there's a special you know mental health manual for celebrities there just isn't they're they're the same as everybody else they get the same in fact they have a little higher incidence of certain mental health issues than the average public um i i don't know if some of that is bipolar disorder addiction narcissistic traits those are those we actually i actually have the only published study on this i was

because i know so many celebrities i have contact with so many i was able to actually do you know personality inventories on a couple over 250 of them and it was very clear more childhood trauma in fact we were able to build a model that showed that the celebrity itself was a bid to deal with the narcissistic injury of the childhood trauma. So actually the celebrity itself was supposed to save them. Did you see Will Smith in the interviews where he ran around last year talking about his book where he talked about the domestic violence in his home and how he would never go back to that.

That's what he is, running away from that and building this huge persona on top of it. In fact, he went so far in the interviews I saw to say, this isn't me. The Will Stiff you think you know is not me. He went so far as to say that, and yet he couldn't drop the Will Smith I know that I see in public. I don't know who he is underneath that, but he was at least able to say that his genuine self is somebody different. And the other thing celebrities do is they, in addition to running back to work quickly, they tend to avoid the real hard work. Unless their life depends upon it, like a drug addict, that kind of thing. So it's, it's, they'd rather return to the, the, this bid to, it's so gratifying to be an actor, to be a celebrity, to do all these things that are really,

they, they work except they don't. They work while you're doing them, but the shame and all the feelings that are left behind from the adverse childhood experiences, of course, are still there. Does that make sense? Thank you. doctor after this after this like you know conversation i'm now convinced you are a real doctor all right bruce thank you i appreciate it my friend thank you all right buddy thank you man uh that's so funny well the, wait. Wait, I take offense to that. I'm going to slap you in the face. Don't you say mean things about my husband.

You just keep my husband's name out of your mouth. Now, listen, this is a perfect example. Like when people, I remember when people were like totally attacking you on Twitter and stuff. And I was responding. I was the only one who would respond. Like I was like dude like don't say that about my head like i was so protective of you and and i get that i get that you get that feeling yeah but if he's had abuse in his family and he comes from abusive family

who's to say he's not also doing that kind of stuff so in some way i will it's not accuse him of anything behind the scenes but what i'm saying is i mean we saw him act like a crazy person and i would not want to get yelled at by him and i mean chris rock was just like dude okay all right i won't okay sorry what are we doing man you know it's about gi jane like huh yeah it was so but the but there is something deeper and maybe it's just sensitivity in hollywood about about being on top and making it work again after COVID-19. No, there's something up. In the public eye and have to go to these award shows. Yeah.

I don't know. It's all very weird. But anyways, I am very defensive about you when people say horrible things and sometimes i respond and sometimes they go oops you know sorry and sometimes they don't so so here's the one thing i want to say we'll take a little break we'll go back to the phones which is that i i'm i found myself recently coaching people up not to think of these traits that have names that are sort of pejorative by their nature. Don't think about the person negatively or that these traits that, so all traits are adaptive. It's the human trying to adapt, trying to survive.

So there's a reason we have these various traits we run to when we've had essentially our being attacked with trauma, abuse, whatever it might be. We have these traits that develop and they are adaptive. And once they, uh, you sort of hit adulthood, those adaptations don't work so well. However, it comes with assets. It can be an asset or a liability. I was saying this on a tick talk today, which is if you're a fighter pilot and you have this bigger than life self you built around yourself, you feel invincible and you could never be hurt. That's good for being a fighter pilot as long as you're not heedless. It's good to then being afraid. How could you possibly be a fighter pilot?

So there's that asset, but the liability is the envy we've been talking about, the empathic failure, and those things really come out in the interpersonal relationships. When I first started doing Loveline, I did not have a lot of psychiatric experience at that time. And I remember thinking, oh, the relationships is where people's craziness comes out. That's where you, whatever trauma we've had, we're reenacting, our attractions are built on our traumas. We have feeling states that we don't normally have or evoked by other people. It's where our stuff comes out is in the interpersonal world. All right. So let's take a little break. I've got a few hands up on the clubhouse. I'll get to that in just a second. Of course, I'm watching you on Restream and we will be right

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To take your audio to the next level, just go to drdrew.com slash blue. That is drdrew.com slash B-L-U-E. So I was watching the restream and explaining to people that people were asking to bring Loveline back. And Loveline doesn't really work. Radio doesn't work the way it used to. So we've been doing – Dr. Drew After Dark is sort of the new incarnation of Loveline. On steroids. On steroids a little bit.

Susan's actually part of this show yeah i think i'm running the show though all right let's get into that in a second but but um but you can see somebody said i want to call in we we do it a little differently at after dark we do uh voice messages so you call in at 818-253-1693 caleb maybe you want to put that up there i think one day we should have any and Nadav on, maybe on a weekend, and then take the after dark calls. So we can, you know, just do it with them one day. 818-253-1693, if I remember the number correctly. Nadav said it has to be on the weekend because they work too much during the weekend.

Okay, great. That'd be fun. So we'll get those guys in here as well. But why do you think you're ruining the show, Susan? Well, first of all, you were laughing before the break is there something you want to share with us i would with chris said um i i guess it had to do with being crazy or whatever she goes just get a minivan and a bunch of kids in wisconsin and that'll take care of that i don't know i don't know what the joke was she probably better delivery on her behalf but um so how do you ruin the show so no i just feel like tom cigar says uh susan um

you're 100 good content i agree so how do you ruin it yeah i know but i think some people are think you are a certain way and they don't want me to divulge so much information and and it is i mean some people find me annoying and i i don't have a problem with that i get it because not you can't make a hundred percent of people happy all the time and i've always been like that all right so i'm watching the restream so i'm looking down these are our fans of course they all love me and i really appreciate it but there are people out there who have i mean the comments have been predominantly positive. But it's, I don't know, there's been some negative ones.

And I guess I just went, oh, good. At least I know that, you know, somebody out there is being real. Even some of our, I don't want to say critics on the restream. There are provocateurs on the restream like you. I was low and loose for a little on Instagram, but that was Instagram. Those of you from your mom's house, they said, oh,

you're not high and tight. You're low and loose. And that's, that's funny. That's oh, here we go. Then can we get more Susan on there? They're saying,

you see that? You know what? Nadav said no, because they don't want to oversaturate. I said, so I'm not, I'm not oversaturating anything. We're going to get your back,

but they don't pay me. So it's okay. And Blake, we will get those boys on here. Thank you for that. No, I enjoyed doing it. It was really fun.

And we have one that's coming up that I should be interesting. Very intense, very intense. But let's just say I give Susan interesting. Very intense. Very intense. So let's just say I give Susan a rash of shit about something. I know. We'll be really nice next time, but we were not. Well, for example, like the armpit thing that was on the last show that I was on. People didn't like that?

They gave me, they said, they asked me what are erogenous zones and i was like i was like everybody knows that right but then i thought i would throw one at drew that he doesn't like enjoy or he has no interest in because it's not like i was trying to be funny i guess but some people didn't they found it it found it tasteless that one comment i don't know i mean maybe there's then they were just responding they are not what they're not your mom's house people they're not they're not they don't understand what this is yeah so yeah and then when the you know i guess when the war broke out the ratings kind of went down a little bit but i think that's for everybody we have some new stuff going on over there but But I love it. I love being with these guys.

I'm looking at their comments. They actually want you to drink and come in there. Well, I kind of came in a little tired after going out the night before. So you'll get to see what that looks like. Well, I will pull the curtain back and say Susan's behavior was so so concerning we gave her a sociopath or psychopath test and um she don't tell everybody what you're gonna have to watch you see no it hasn't come out yet you're no spoilers see this is what you do drew you send out the spoilers and then we get in trouble yeah i'll get a phone call from nadav yeah he thinks it's me. Okay. But it's usually, I take all the shit for that too. Like Susan can't

keep a secret. I heard that on the other day when you guys were on together, it's like, yeah, you and Nadav, you were telling him that I can't keep a secret, but I think it's more you than me. Probably. I'm really good at keeping secrets. Um, I don't know. I'm going to, I'm not going to let you get away with that completely. Well, sometimes you don't tell me it's a secret and then it's, you know, maybe one. No, you forget it's a secret. That's a different problem. All right. Here we go again.

All right. So, but. Hot sauce is the best. Yeah. That's what I just put up. And he is adorable though. I love working with him and nadav nadav wasn't on the show with me last time i was kind of bummed because i love his big chuckle

you know he's like he's like a soundtrack of laughs it really changes the the momentum yeah it does all right so we're gonna uh try to get some guests up here. This is Sean Asani. And thank you for your calls on Clubhouse. Thanks, everybody. If you want to join Clubhouse, give me an email at contactatdoctordrew.com, and we'll get you in there. She'll put you through. Sean.

Sean? Hey, Dr. Drew. Thanks for taking my handwritten request. I just wanted to say I've been listening to you for a while. I used to be... Sorry. Uh-oh. You know, I'm recovering from...

I used to, you know, be addicted to, like, a couple of... Like, some prescription, like opiates, benzos. No, no, no, no. I just wanted to say that I'm trying to recover and thank you for doing all that you do. And, and just here's my, here's my words to you.

What's important is keep trying. that's really all that's important uh uh just for alcoholism there there's some people don't understand that for somebody to get treatment and be better that's really unusual the average for alcohol for even for alcohol and that and alcohol is the not is not as problematic as some of the other drugs. For alcohol, on average, it's four treatments and five years to get one year of sobriety. So it takes what it takes. I mean, you just got to keep swinging at the plate and just hang in there. And there's not one thing for everybody. Some people need mood stabilization.

Some people need replacement therapies or what's called medically assisted treatment. There's lots of things that can be used for a given individual to make recovery possible. That's it. Yeah. Okay, thank you. Look, it's been really hard to recover and you know i'm willing to accept a new stark reality um that uh you know it's just keep keep keep trying my friend just stay there accept support if you know if if you you know really the real problem these days is

that nobody has enough resources to pay for a lot of professional services. Thank God there are free services everywhere. And thank God people have gotten used to using Zoom. You can use Zoom professional resources now. We use BetterHelp. I've referred to them before. And you can also get, obviously, any other professional resources. But 12-step is available everywhere all the time.

And it's free. And it's free. And it's free. and it's free and it's free and it's free and it's free and uh so you don't have to worry if they're if you have trouble uh getting enough resources but that is the number one problem that people have uh let's talk to elilah did you know there's a chat on clubhouse i did know there's a little yeah i did see that yeah elilah I did see that. Yeah. Delilah? She's up there.

I was just looking at the chat. There you are. Hi, how are you? Susie, I'm good. What's going on? Fine, thanks. I was really interested in what you had to say earlier, because I'm a clinical social worker. When you were talking about the personality disorders, One of those, my favorite topic, actually,

having been raised by somebody with cluster B. Would you agree that it's a spectrum disorder? Oh, absolutely. Well, it's interesting. It is a threshold issue for diagnosis, right? You either have the disorder or you don't. And again, interpersonal and professional functioning and that kind of thing is really sort of the threshold. But for everybody else, it is a continuum, right?

And what we think of it as less, the reason I was laughing is people don't think of it as a continuum so much as a variety of traits. But same thing, right? It's continuous. Some of the traits are intense. Some of them are lesser. Some of them are, you know, some people have lots of these traits. Some people have very few of them. And so, yeah, in a sense, it is kind of a continuum, I'd say.

I agree with that. Yeah, because one of the things, I don't remember if you were the one who mentioned this a long time ago, but you can be a narcissist and not be a sociopath or a psychopath, but you can't be a sociopath or a psychopath and not be a narcissist. syndromes. In fact, there was a point at which in the DSM-5, they were going to get away from the way we still are characterizing personalities and have it all built around narcissism. There was a narcissistic core to all personality disorders, and they were going to build it out from there. But it didn't really work. It really is cluster B. I mean, it's the bottom line. So I wouldn't be surprised to see if they reconfigure cluster B a little bit. That would be interesting. I hope that they do. Yeah.

Because it really is a more broad. You've seen it, I'm sure. What happened in your situation? Was it mom or dad? Oh, my mother. My mother is a cluster B classic. I mean, obviously, we master what we cannot ourselves achieve. So here I am doing the good work.

Yeah. But yeah, she was and is she has depression, anxiety, borderline narcissism. Something about her seems bipolar to me, honestly. Well, you know, some people theorize that bipolar and borderline are related uh speaking of continuums that there's a continuum between bipolar and uh and uh borderline uh i i'm not of that school of thought but i i see what they're talking about because the the cycling of the moods and the you know a very very common or the instability of the moods are so common and borderline.

And often they get put on mood stabilizers and often that helps. So people go, aha, see, it's actually a mood disorder, but it's like, it's like, it's like saying if somebody with addiction has a lot of mood problems,

it's like, well, yeah, they, they will. I do put them on mood stabilizers. They will get better. They're drug addicts.

And, and we're just trying to deal with the symptoms of drug addiction that include the mood disturbance. So, yeah, it is interesting. It's very hard. It's very hard to differentiate. It's very hard to differentiate. I'm sorry. I was just saying, like, when somebody's on drugs and alcohol or when somebody has one of these mood disorders and personality disorders. It's very hard to differentiate until you get rid of or treat one of the,

you know, the issues, right. The addiction or whatever else is going on. So my mother, in fact, my mom had some stuff. I can't quite,

it's hers was a, my mom was a mixed picture. Very odd to try to characterize. Christina P had a dad who's a narcissist and a mom who was borderline. That was probably a, probably a soci and a mom who's borderline that was probably a probably a sociopath right because borderlines and sociopaths are super attracted to each other um did you have both in your life was it or was it no my my father was the enabler he was uh and still is a saint he's actually a retired physician um and he was the he just

did everything my mom asked of him just to keep her her anger quiet susan you're laughing again what are you laughing about is that what you do for me i think that's what more did for helene yeah kind of but i don't think she had like a i don't think she had a substance abuse problem hers was more psychological yeah more uh think she had a substance abuse problem. Hers was more psychological. Yeah, more. Yeah. She had the unregulated hostility that poor moms have. But if you go into sobriety, like for example, our daughter just recently came out and she talked about it openly so I can say it. She stopped smoking pot and then all of a sudden all her other diagnoses went out the

window. Completely went away. Other diagnoses went out the window. She was no longer manic depressive. Or she didn't have some kind of esophagitis. And she had a million things that just cleared up. The vomiting wasn't her glycol bladder. It was the cannabis hyperemesis. Anything but look at the drug. Yeah, yeah.

But that's what Susie's saying. That's her point, really. But it's funny how people don't understand that. I never believed she was a manic depressive. it's too tragic for me to call it funny when people spend long periods of time doing anything but looking at the drug and doctors coasting that bullshit so yeah anyway uh i'm glad your daughter's doing better now that was wonderful to hear she like she says now she just she's so happy she's not waking up to a bong in the morning like i was like what like really i didn't know that you

know and i she's very i'm very proud of her she's been sober for over 90 days amazing 100 over 100 days that is amazing congratulations and very active in the program like fully into the program which has been amazing to see. Yeah, it's fun. It's fun to see how it works, you know, firsthand. And the miracles start like very quickly, the kinds of things. She woke up at 5.50 this morning and wrote for two hours. There you go. She says, wow, I hope I can keep doing this.

I said, yeah, probably can. She can because it's in her already. She just needed to remove the drug, you know, the addictive piece of it and not that she's not still addicted but that she's not still connected to the drug the same way so now she has the freedom to access all these other aspects of her and even be i guess in a sense addicted to this new feeling and these new things that she's doing that are healthier that's that worries me a little bit because she has to be a perfectionist and everything so what could that turn into true well then we'll deal with her codependency and stuff later i'm sure that's in there somewhere but but but suzy the to your point about accessing that that is one of the really

interesting things she's been accessing parts of herself that she had disavowed and now integrating all the parts and bringing them all in and using the strengths of all these different things that she's done across her lifespan has been really interesting to watch. That's recovery. That's the miracle of the process of recovery. It's beautiful. It's beautiful to see her blossom because she's so smart. I mean, she comes from the two of you. She's full of all of these wonderful things.

And I'm so glad that she's able to embrace them and access them and utilize them to her benefit at this time. Thank you. Thank you, Susie. She's smarter than me. But now, Susie, it says on your Clubhouse profile here, Susie the twit. So what's that all about? What's going on there? Well, a friend helped me name my twitter um account and my my brother is

i don't want to say he's famous in radio and so if you go to my twitter page it'll say suzy the twit i'm not doug meaning i'm not my brother got it it's sort of yeah fantastic well nice to meet you and thank you for stopping by and um sorry about sorry about the mom thing, but I know what that is. And it, like everything, comes with assets and liabilities. It gives you tons of empathy because you've been busy managing her most of your childhood and now you can tune into other people. It's just keeping your boundaries clear become the challenge, right? Absolutely. And I, you know, I never realized your, um, your mom and my mom were at all similar. So I'm sorry about your mom as well.

And, um, thank you for, for being such a wonderful voice for all of us. Really appreciate you and Susan and everything that you do. Thank you, Susie. Susie is great,

everybody. Thank you, Susie. Yeah. Your mom had a lot of trauma, which she never really told it we right we don't know well we know that she ran away she left home at 18 and came to california to be an actress was hanging around a lot of mobsters that was worse married a man who was 50 when she was 18

he was he was more than 50 and was working in hollywood you know he was more than 50 and she was very attractive so we there might have been some sexual abuse right that was she'd allude to it and she was always very angry at men and you know so i'm assuming that happened but but um i think her career ended when she had you too and it was that was probably very difficult for her to suddenly be somebody else so i kind of gave her credit for that um but she could get a little crazy you were subjected a little bit of once in a while she was pretty nice to me you know because i respected her for whatever she was how she was i kind of i i was glad that you know she had done what she she wasn't the typical pasadena wife no that's for sure and that that was good for me because i'm i'm not the typical pasadena wife

caleb what do you think i don't know don't rope me into that again you wouldn't have but then you wouldn't have found uh my mom on After Dark either. Yeah, but you weren't attracted to the Pasadena type. You were attracted to more like your mother. And I think I'm more like your mother. That's what your mom used to say. I could never see it. Do you remember that? Yeah, just maybe the glamorous kind of Hollywood fun.

Remember how she used to say that, your mom? Yeah. I could never figure out what she was talking about. Yeah, well, you're too close. It's not your problem. Actually, it is, but for a different day. You're stuck with it now. I just made you promise.

40 years you've been with this bitch. You promised in front of God and everybody there will be never no divorce. Don't worry about it. Yeah. I know how much you like your money. I'll be around forever. If I show up dead, you know what happens. That's what I'm saying.

Oh, God, Drew. I'm not going to kill you in your sleep. Don't worry. I'm going to poison you. I want to make sure we put it on the record here just in case you had an idea. Push you out of the balcony. So let's wrap things up here, guys. Thank you for stopping by for an extra show and Caleb for running in after your studies.

Everything turn out okay? We don't know yet. thank you for stopping by for an extra show and for, and Caleb for running in after your studies, everything turned out. Okay. Uh, we, we don't know yet. Uh, I just, I still don't know how I tested positive for tuberculosis.

It sounds like one of those things from like Oregon trail. Uh, I explained it. I explained it to you, right? Yeah. They explained it to me too. It's like,

it could have been latent. It could have been living in me for a year. That's why nobody seemed freaked out and worried about it and i go research it i'm like wait a bunch of people die from this apparently but they seem worried so secondary tuberculosis that's activated tuberculosis that's what they need to prevent now so they and then they can activate it by giving you the humira and all that stuff they want to give you so they've got to get it under control first and it's easily controllable did they talk about the antibiotics you need to take not yet because they wanted to do the test again because i have no symptoms so they wanted i had to do a ct scan and another blood test and redo it just to make sure it wasn't a false positive because it's just

i i mean what else can they toss i mean had covid then i had crones and i know now supposedly tuberculosis it's like what's the primary tb you know it's not i'm like jeez tb is very listen you go on the street the homeless that's tbs all over the place it's very common well that's what they told me that calmed me down by a lot is like understanding that i guess this is a really widespread thing and not to worry about it and it's just i take some sort of antibiotics if there's something when it if it turns out to be there correct i feel great it's why they tested you it's why they test you because this thing is around and if you're going to be on immunosuppressive drugs they can reactivate the tb and that's a problem and then the antibiotics they're i'm not going to tell you they're fun they're kind of a

nuisance but but um but they work so you just get it done and that's yeah and i sure went in there with that first blood test and i was making jokes about it i'm like why are they giving me a tb test this is so silly i have no symptoms and i came back to the same nurse today i'm like i guess this is why this is why our our friend anthony brown said isoniazid for six months that's right uh and they they actually have other protocols now anthony they have combos you know of antibiotics and sometimes you can get by with three months and so let's see what they want to do with him it'll be interesting but the old-fashioned is i and h isoniazid three months that's how we that's how we did it back in the day right anthony

anthony anthony brown's on the stream here uh Okay, everybody, we appreciate you stopping by. Look at Rex. Rex is just like laying down, just snoring. What's he been up to while we were out of town? Rex, what did you do? Did you party when I was gone? Is he awake now? Did you party? He's looking at me like, huh, what did I do?

Caleb's doing a slow push on my camera while we, what did you do? So thank you so much for joining us and we will see you tomorrow at two o'clock. Ta-ta. Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Caleb Nation and Susan Pinsky. As a reminder, the discussions here are not a substitute for medical care, diagnosis, or treatment. This show is intended for educational and informational purposes only.

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