Ask Dr. Drew - Xi Van Fleet Escaped China, Now Warns Of U.S. Elites Enabling CCP Chaos, Crime & Communism w/ Heather Mac Donald (Author of The War On Cops) – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 582

Episode Date: February 1, 2026

Xi Van Fleet escaped from Mao’s Revolution in China – and now she’s warning of elites enabling the CCP while funding chaos, crime, and communism in the United States. Drawing on historical research, Xi (pronounced “She”) traces CCP support from Soviet backing to US economic and political engagement that helped transform China into the world’s second largest economy. Heather Mac Donald, author of The War On Cops, reveals how support from wealthy Americans is increasing China’s global power – and making its government an even greater threat to American independence. Xi Van Fleet is a survivor of Mao’s Cultural Revolution and author of “Made In America: The Hidden History of How the U.S. Enabled Communist China and Created Our Greatest Threat.” Born in China, she was sent to work in the countryside at age 16 during the Cultural Revolution. After Mao’s death, she studied English in college and moved to the United States in 1986. She regularly appears on national media warning about parallels between communist China and modern America. Follow at https://x.com/XVanFleet⠀Heather Mac Donald is the Thomas W. Smith Fellow at the Manhattan Institute and a contributing editor of City Journal. She is a New York Times bestselling author of The War on Cops and When Race Trumps Merit. Her work focuses on crime, policing, race, and urban policy. In 2025, she received The New Criterion’s Edmund Burke Award. Follow at https://x.com/HMDatMI 「 SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS 」 • AUGUSTA PRECIOUS METALS – Thousands of Americans are moving portions of their retirement into physical gold & silver. Learn more in this 3-minute report from our friends at Augusta Precious Metals: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/gold⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ or text DREW to 35052 ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠• FATTY15 – The future of essential fatty acids is here! Strengthen your cells against age-related breakdown with Fatty15. Get 15% off a 90-day Starter Kit Subscription at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/fatty15⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • PALEOVALLEY - "Paleovalley has a wide variety of extraordinary products that are both healthful and delicious,” says Dr. Drew. "I am a huge fan of this brand and know you'll love it too!” Get 15% off your first order at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/paleovalley⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • VSHREDMD – Formulated by Dr. Drew: The Science of Cellular Health + World-Class Training Programs, Premium Content, and 1-1 Training with Certified V Shred Coaches! More at https://drdrew.com/vshredmd • THE WELLNESS COMPANY - Counteract harmful spike proteins with TWC's Signature Series Spike Support Formula containing nattokinase and selenium. Learn more about TWC's supplements at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twc.health/drew⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ 「 ABOUT THE SHOW 」 This show is for entertainment and/or informational purposes only, and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Executive Producers • Kaleb Nation - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://kalebnation.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • Susan Pinsky - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://x.com/firstladyoflove⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Content Producer • Emily Barsh - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://x.com/emilytvproducer⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Hosted By • Dr. Drew Pinsky - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://x.com/drdrew⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In a few minutes, journalist, Heather McDonnell would join me. It's going to be a noisy show today. I suggest you stick around. She'd like to cover chaos, communism, crime, race, and the way our country is being turned about by lies. We'll get to Heather, who's been on the ground with so many of these operations seeing firsthand how they operate. Speaking of having seen how these things operate, G. Van Fleet joins me first. She came from Communist China and saw the cultural destruction, the mass political violence, the Communist indoctrination. Made in America is her new book. We'll talk about that. After this little

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The score bet. trusted sports content seamless sports betting download today 19 plus Ontario only if you have questions or concerns about your gambling or the gambling of someone close to you please go to conix ontario.ca here is this put up she's book again uh 2019 book was mouse america a survivor's warning and now i think we have made in America yes made in America uh her book read that you can find her on x at x not x i but x van fleet v a and her instagram is g x i Van Fleet. Gee, welcome back to the program. Thank you so much. Last time she was here, she now clued us in that she actually was suffering from COVID and has been coughing since. That's what you call long, long COVID symptoms.

So you might want to look at your spike protein antibodies to see if you've cleared the damn thing yet. There's ways to work on that. Get the spike support. That's a topic for a different show. Tell us about the book. Wow. And I listened to your first earlier guest, she was talking about CCP, controlling WHO and also part of our government.

Actually, my book makes another case. And I think everything was enabled by the communists here. Actually, the title made in America really tell the story how the United States actually set the stage for communist red. high to sweep over China in the early 1920s. And how, during the World War II and in the war against Japan, the American journalists, of course, liberal journalists and diplomats from the State Department and our generals, General Steelewell and Marshall, and presidents, yes, presidents, made one disastrous mistake up another. And knowingly or unknowingly, enabled the victory of the CCP to take

over China. Well, to be fair, I don't think it, I'd be surprised if anybody really argued against your point of view. I read a book, a couple of, I read a bit about George Marshall's when he went over there to try to settle the civil war. And a lot of his firsthand reports or his frustration was the lying by the communist. He was shocked at the way they lied and deceitful and misled him. He couldn't believe it. And he kept falling for it over and over and over again. Is that what you're talking about? Exactly. Exactly. And that is the pattern that was set in the 30 and 40s, that the communist life continued to work. Absolutely. And even though so many people realize it's a lie, but they continue by it.

And later on, after 20 years of disastrous rule, China was in the grave of total collapse. And who saved China? President Nixon went to China. And thinking that he was doing a smart thing to ally with one communist regime against another. And it turned out the saying that your enemy's friend, No, your enemies, enemies, your friend did not work this time. Why? Because he was dealing with communists.

After that, the total was said. It's called Nixon Doctrine. And that was like engaged with Chinese communists. Yeah, not really communist. They're so-called communists. The real communists are the Russians. We're still here today. Russia, Russia, Russia.

And in the meantime, communist China? They're kind of communist. They're not really. They're Confucius communism. And so, and that really dominant the U.S.-China policy for decades. And it leads to the- I want to make sure I heard you. Did you say Confucian communist or confused communists?

Yeah, that's what they say. Yeah. Confucius communism. That is Chinese communist. That's a very kind communism. And they only tell 80 million people. Not a big deal, but they are very, very confucius. Yeah.

And after that, you know, one mistake of another. And the really turning point is led the CCP into the World Trade Organization by Clinton. That marked the beginning of the rise of China and decline of America. So my book really treats all this back to Woodrow Wilson from the very, very beginning. And so my argument is like Trump's. Trump did not blame CCP for taking advantage of America. We allowed them. All political leaders allowed them.

That's exactly the thing of my book. It's made here. It's made in America. actually the communist party of the osa was founded two years before the uh i mean yeah the communist party usa was funded two years before the c cp the communists have been here for a long long long time and uh and people need to know it and this is uh i don't think we we need to we need to understand where it is now now it sort of goes under the banner of social Right. And then there's and they soften it even more with democratic socialism, which is sort of a oxymoron.

But, but where, where is it now amongst us? Where do you see it operating? And what are the lies and the deceit that people are falling for? And I even broader question. I'm sorry to throw it all at one, all at once, but what is, you saw the cultural revolution. How did they fall? How are we falling for stuff now? And how did they fall for that then? The mass formation psychosis just seems so, it was one thing in the middle of a pandemic when people are hysterical. But now it's just hard to imagine why people fall for it. Inductionation. It's not overnight. I mean, when you see all those red guards went to the streets and did all this total destruction.

And you just feel like they went insane. overnight? No. That took Mao 18 years since the CCP took over China. 18 years of indoctrination. They absolutely rewrite history and those young people have no knowledge of any truth. Everything they knew was what they told by the party. That is what we see today. You see half of the country going absolutely insane,

believing all the lives. refuse to even look at facts. You can put the facts, this is what happened. One, two, three, they won't even listen to it. That is, I think, what happened in America is similar to what happened to China during the Cultural Revolution. It's not overnight. It's absolutely years and years in the case here, decades of indoctrination.

And so what's motivating it then? Where is it coming from on one hand? And then what do we do to combat? For one hand is, of course, indoctrination and mobilization. And what is the incentive of mobilization? In China, during the Cultural Revolution, it was giving the power for the youngsters. They were as young as like a 12, like a team or preteen, and up to a college age. They were told that we are in a crisis.

What's the crisis? The crisis is that the people in power, in the position of power, want to take us back to capitalism and let us suffer one more time. I had no idea what capitalism was really about. But it must be bad because the party told me so, and we have to save the country. We have to save us from suffering one more time. So then they bought it.

They absolutely think it's urgent. And they have to do something, and Mao gave them the power. Mao defunded the police, not defunded, just really got rid of. And so give the kids the full power to do whatever they did. And then they destroyed everything. Also, mostly they took those people out of position of power, because that's what Mao regarded as his enemy. And what's here.

Here is that crisis. My goodness, we have to save our democracy. and we have to fight those bigoted conservatives. They are going to bring back slavery, right? They're going to do all the things. So we have to do something. And so that's what I see that the people feel the urgency. Mobilization, it's not organic.

Just like in China, it's not organic. It's top down here, same thing. They organize and a lot of we know by now, a well-funded organization. like Renee Good, got her training in her self-school. And I have seen videos of churches give the similar training. So that is the thing that they are really true believers because they're so indoctrinated. Like Renee Good, she would put her children aside

and devoted to this cause. But I have to say, she probably did not prepare to die. for the cause. She probably thought it was okay. No. No. No. Because it was no consequences. There never consequences for those leftist rioters in 2020 and afterwards. So she was not prepared and she died and made, they made a matter of her. But the others, I can say that. I think that Alex pretty, I think he was ready to give his life. And he, what we would call in China, There are those true believers who belong to this desk spot.

They will absolutely give their life to the cause, I think. Well, you mentioned, you said we have to do something. What do we do? Well, you're a doctor. Tell me how to detox their mind. Their mind is gone. And their mind is control. More than that, I have to really.

pointed this out. Why the left can be so successful mobilizing those people. We saw the weekend before. I don't know it's real or not, but some of them I'm sure went to Minneapolis voluntarily to join that. And one of the things is that

Christianity has been weaponized. We hear those leftists quote Bibles all the time, right? They, of course, they see compassion. And then they took the word from Bible, and the things that people believe in, especially in America, in the Christian culture, we have to love our neighbor as we love ourselves. So neighbor, one of the neighbors, and it's no longer your real neighbor that you know each other, you help each other, you trust each other. Now the neighbors are illegals or criminals or anyone.

And they believe is oppressed or marginalized. So that's our neighbors. And people can't tell the difference. They feel like it's true. We have to love our neighbors, even though they're fraudsters, they're criminals, they're illegals. But because they use this kind of biblical language so much, a lot of people fall for it. Another thing I have to really, really point out, in China, The Chinese communist actually targeted people with property.

That's called class struggle. You are in a different class. You have land, you have property. Then you're considered class enemy. And so they targeted those people. Many of them are persecuted and executed. But here, and they use something different. And so they no longer, it's no longer about.

class. It is about love. And so much so that the white people absolutely convinced that they were guilty. They are guilty of the crimes or the whatever done by the white people before they were even born. They believed it. And that makes the revolution even more, I mean, hard to deal with it. So those are not even believers, but they absolutely hate themselves. And I did not say that in China. I did not say the so-called rich class hate themselves. And as much as the white people here, the indoctrinated white liberals hate themselves so much. Again, you're calling upon me to sort of get people to wake up. I, you know, what I see is a lot of delusional thinking and a lot of tribal thinking. And to the extent that people seem locked in a delusional system where you're not,

you can't crack and talk about reality or you can't have any kind of conversation in reality, whether you would agree or disagree. I mean, just you can't even have conversations with people in a delusional state. When people, the only thing I know how to do is when people act like patients, you have to treat them like patients. And what patients need when, and what patients need when they're in that state is containment. They need containment and they need de-escalation.

They need a show of force around them. We used to, back in the psych hospital, we'd gather like 20 people and gather around them. And guess what happens when you have 20 people just standing there looking at the one person, they drop their bullshit. They stop it. They calm down.

Thank you. And the crisis passed. But I don't know how you do that for 20 million people. I don't know how you do that because you need 200 million to stand around them. Now, those 20 million people are not activated. But we can do that in Minneapolis. We absolutely have to tell them this is not okay. We're not going to let this, just let them control the city.

This is absolutely no longer a cultural revolution. This is absolutely a Marxist and a communist insurrection. Did when you were in China during the Cultural Revolution, was there any, what I'm seeing now is this weird, I get, I do see this disconnect from history that you're talking about. And I also now see this disregard for the law. Like the law is just a, just a suggestion. Like it's not something specific that we have to live, abide by. Was, did that go on in China at all? Of course.

Mao, when the revolution started, he dismantled the whole, it's called Justice Department or Justice Ministry. The whole thing was the policemen were let go. That was I told earlier. They gave the kids all the power to do whatever. And that's exactly what we see here. You think those people just went to the straight on themselves? No, they were told, we are backing you.

You know, if you get arrested, where get you out? And so they feel empowered. And who are empowered those criminals? Well, I'm not going to be the Bush beat upon the Bush. It is the communist democratic part, period. And you know who invented all this was the, the Jacobins in 1789 in France. They're really the ones

that invented the whole thing. And they did all this stuff. What's that? And what? That is the proto-communist revolution. The French revolution. And everything they did was the communists learned. And then all the Russian Revolution,

Chinese Revolution, what is just basically copying the French Revolution. You're right. That is absolutely the first. Radical revolution and yeah the rest is just a repeat. Yeah, it was supposed

to be a rational republic but it ended up being just total chaos. That's Rose Pierre, the picture there, who was I mean, his, I mean, he's very complicated. At first they thought he was the absolutely

the moral arbiter of justice. Then he became so paranoid. And really, kind of legitimately because there were all these forces of other royalists, other monarchies coming in to bear and infiltrating his movement. And so he started chopping off heads and it went crazy cuckoo. And then he got his head his head chopped off. His whole head chopped up.

Into that vacuum is what really stepped in these forces that you're talking about now. And then finally Napoleon put a stop to all of it. And he, of course, has been soundly condemned. by a lot of people for a variety of reasons that are somewhat inaccurate. But, or listen, I got to take a little break here. I want you to think while we're on the break more about what an average per. I mean, we're a couple of, you know, essentially boomers here talking about this. Like, well, what's going on with these young people?

It's happened before. Is this, how is this different? And if it is, what do we do different? G. Van Fleet is here. The book is made in America. be right back after this. I've spent most of my career dealing with illnesses that shorten life

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You can follow her on X, X Van Fleet, and also on Instagram, G, X-I Van Fleet. Made in America is her book. And we were talking about the Chinese Communist Party versus how things are going here today. And my wife, before I let you answer

the question that I asked before the break, my wife, Susan, jumped on something astutely, I wanted her to ask it since it was her thought. I want you to explain Confucius communism more clearly, like how the religion is, you know, creating this virtuous honor to be. And you mentioned how they're co-opting Christianity here in a similar way, I think you were saying. So if you clarify those things.

Well, I just heard this term not too long ago. I said, what a BS. There's no such thing, you know. Confucius is. really promote virtue, self-cultivation, and also respect to your family, especially family, and also harmony, social harmony, even though he really promotes hierarchy, that you should be happy with the role you assigned to you by the society. If your father, be a good father, husband, a good husband, wife, a good wife, that kind of thing.

It's nothing like communism. There's just totally the polar opposite. Communists want to destroy family. And they want to, actually, they want to be the one that control every family. And they don't want to harmony. They want to chaos and a revolution. They only want harmony when they're in total control, like today. And the new slogan from the CCP is harmony.

Let's don't point out problems with the government. This is all just be tolerant. And so that's very, very much communist. And so how are we different? And in being different here, what do we do differently to combat? Yeah. I wish I had this kind of recity. And it is difficult because it took.

I'm sorry. I think people just need to be aware. Exactly. I think that's the first step. And also understanding, it took decades for the left to come this far, to take over the educational system and control our schools and the minds of the young people. And we have to start also with the same thing, education. And like what you do with your platform, like what I do with my book or talking and our ex. That's how we went back, the people. and also prevent more young mind from being indoctrinated. It won't be easy, but we have to do it. Well, we will leave it there, G. I appreciate your efforts. We'll be reading Made in America, and I already follow you on X, but I look forward to your spitting fire there, as you often do.

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All right. Thank you, Chief. I appreciate you being here. I see your note there, Caleb. I want to get into some other things here while we wait for Heather. One is, I don't know if people, I don't think Susan knows this. but I will announce it because it is kind of breaking news. Catherine O'Hara died today all of a sudden.

And that is awful. I mean, she will be missed. I mean, talking about a giant of comedic acting. I didn't know that. Yeah. I suggest if you haven't seen Schitt's Creek, you do so. Or if you haven't seen Best of Show, you do so. I mean, she's in so many great comedies over the years.

And I guess it was a short illness. and it's sort of shocking, so she will be missed. And then maybe after I speak to Heather, who just signed in, I want to talk about the new executive order on addiction that President Trump just signed. Finally, we're going to go forward and actually help people with addictive disease. And people like Governor Newsom knows nothing about it, who has said that it's disgusting to even tell somebody they could recover. That is what is disgusting.

And it's nothing short of negligent manslaughter. But I like best about this EO. is that we have Catherine Bergam, who's a recovering alcoholic. She's Governor Doug Bergam, now Secretary of the Interior, Doug Bergam's wife and RFK Jr. working on these things a perfect combination and leadership to pull this thing off. I look forward to helping them any way I can. They need to get SAMHSA involved.

That's the Substance Abuse Mental Health Services Administration. There are some good people there who know how to do this as well. We can finally start to help people with this deadly chronic illness we call addiction. All right, let's get on with it now. More from Heather McDonald. She, as I quoted at the beginning, wants to cover chaos, communism, crime, race, and the way our country is being torn apart by lies. I think that covers the landscape.

Heather, welcome. I want to give your particulars where they can find you. City-Journal.org and H-M-D-A-M-exclamation point. Am I getting that right on X? It's impossible. It's impossible, Dr. Drew. I can't figure it out myself. The easiest way is just to Google me and Twitter or to Google me and X because I don't know

the Twitter handle myself, but thank you for promoting that. You might end up with a comedian, though. Now, one of the things that I was reading some of your commentary, and one of the things that jumped out at me, I may be early in this conversation to sort of bring this up, but you say you've been blackpilled? You would be the last person I would expect to actually be blackpilled. Or were you just being hyperbolic and pissed, or have you actually been blackpilled? First of all, this is not a great connection.

You're breaking up. It's almost as if we're on a cell phone. You read that I said, I've been blackpilled, meaning I've moved politically across the ideological spectrum. No, that you were very pessimistic in your description of your black pill. And I've always known you to be a fighter, an optimist, somebody who's. going to oh this it's it's on your end i'm not hearing it at all uh Caleb do you want hang a second Caleb do you want to try to take her off maybe take her down for a second and work on this and refresh it okay maybe I'll talk more about the EO what you

well you guys are doing that um and we can just do we can do phone too Caleb if uh because Heather is after sitting on there for a while Heather is a good talker let me let me let me I'll start over let me I'm gonna just turn off my computer and food up again. Sorry about this. There you go. Caleb, are you hearing me? Are you hearing what I'm saying? Are you in there? Literally, Drew, my headphones came unplug, and then I plugged it right back in, and you were talking to me. So I missed literally that five seconds you were talking to.

What I said was, is it Heather, Heather's, Heather's Wi-Fi or something, was really a mess. She couldn't hear anything I was saying. We could barely hear her back. She was chopping and breaking up. If she can't get that solved, I'm happy to talk to her. on the phone because she's a very good talker. Yeah. So I'll just see. I think she'll be able to come back in on Zoom. But if I have to, I'll just get her on the Zoom just with audio and no video.

You could just kill her. Yeah. Kill her video. But again, I'm talking a little about the executive order on addiction. So the executive order itself is rather vague. And I spoke to some people over at Samsung. They're like, we have no idea what's going to be expected of us. It's not clear yet.

But there's a framework of leadership that has never been in place. before and I'm telling you these are the right people for these jobs. RFK Jr. has a fantasy, a vision, a vision where he wants to set up these residential programs that are sort of work farms and they will work where people can stay quite inexpensively for very long periods of time and they could become much in the way here in Los Angeles we have the Homeboy Bakery. These are sort of businesses that people get involved with and live in as part of their sober living and recovery. We could do that easily in this country.

We could create hundreds of these and they would be very effective. But we have let people go so far with the addictive disease that to get them in shape to be able to tolerate that level of care, it's going to take a lot of work. And we have to have the psychiatric medical and housing services, not housing, psychiatric hospital. services in order to be able to accommodate that. All right. So, she's logging back in.

Let's see we've got Heather. Okay. Oh, so I guess I misquoted Heather on this. I got a... Okay, I will have to do that blackpilling with somebody else's blackpilling. Well, good, because that didn't make sense to me. because Heather has always been such a fighter. Do we have her back yet?

I'm back and you sound better, I think. Hey. Okay, good. So, yeah, I'm glad you didn't hear me because I evidently missed quote. It was not even your quote I saw, which is why it seemed so incongruous to me. I was like, this doesn't sound like Heather. It wasn't, Heather. Yeah.

So there you go. I've got to straighten that out. So, so. Talk about all of those. These certainly had some great ideas. So, you know, whatever, whatever tickles your fancy there, Dr. Drew. well you know i'll tell you what i was just talking to jee van fleet about is what do we do i mean what's the what's the what's the what's the kind of call to action it it feels so i feel so sad for this

country i feel so disgusted for the brainwashing that's going on on on the extremes on both side let's be fair um i'm disgusted with this state i'm disgusted with all the people we let die on the streets there's so many things that are so deeply disturbing where do we starve What do we do? Express my mutual sentiment with you, Dr. Drew. I'm exhausted. Very depressing to encounter again and again the depth of our divisions. The ability of talking across the divide,

and it does make one want to just escape and throw up one's hands and say, this thing is unsoluble. but then one comes across a particularly excruciating idiocy that is an insult to the great civilization that one has inherited, and you have to get back in the fray. So in a sort of an enlightenment sense, I think that the only thing one can do is tell the truth as one sees it, not dissuaded by phony charges of racism or sexism or homophobia or whatever, and defend the rule of law, defend the reality of the greatness of American and Western civilization.

And that's really all you can do. I don't know what other means are. And obviously, one wants to avoid violent conflict. at all costs. So I don't know. What are your views of how you move forward from this moment? Well, I just, my thing is just talking to people and sort of raising awareness and educating myself about things and trying not to be black pill or red pill or peeled or peeled at

all. Just try to get the facts as the best I can without succumbing to the brainwashing that is so so clearly going on out there. But I'm curious, what was the latest, the latest. the latest insult that motivated you. Maybe it will motivate someone else. I'm just in my own defense here. I'm once again breaking up,

but let's just power through this. I'm going to have to be creative and filling out the gaps. Yeah, I mean, talking to people, that's already a challenge. You know what? I have to say, this sounds, I hope, not too partisan,

but when I have a conversation coming up with a liberal friend, I am very nervous because the default worldview is the liberal worldview. And I'm the one that feels nervous about, well, I just had dinner with somebody from Minnesota, a very upstanding, brilliant fellow law student of mine who worked around Minneapolis and in law. And I was the one that was very worried that the discussion would turn to ICE. and how we would navigate this. I know for a fact that she was not worried

because the left still controls the discourse and they don't worry what we think. And I find that I feel myself on the defensive. So it's a very uneven playing field. But so talking to people, as you do, Dr. Drew, I think is very important. And it can't be underestimated how much courage that really takes.

I mean, we saw that epitomized, obviously, with Charlie Kirk, and all of us should continue trying to follow in his footsteps as far as being willing to engage with ideas that we find. You know, I have not heard somebody describe what we're doing as courage since RFK Jr. said that to me about three years ago. He said, you know, you have courage. It's so courageous to interview me. And I thought, courageous for a lawyer and a doctor to talk on a live stream.

That is insane. But here we are again, same doctor, another lawyer on a live stream, just talking about how they see things. And somehow just asserting a privilege that was matter of fact throughout the history of this country now becomes an act of courage. It's just mind-boggling to me. that here we are. Well, maybe we are. Go ahead. Arguably, maybe we're over-inflating the courage word,

you know, in a world of excruciating prosperity and safety. And, you know, we are riding, we are wafting on the brilliance of our forefathers that had true courage and going out and exploring the world and creating. enterprises, you know, undertaking competition. I'm writing right now about this outrageous onslaught of litigation against oil and gas companies for allegedly causing climate change in Boulder, Colorado. I mean, the causal claims in these suits are absolutely nauseating. They're such an offense against reason.

But in reading up on all of this, I am in such awe at the brilliance of what it took to create the petrochemical industry and all of its products that we are all completely reliant on. And yet these left-wing states, you know, Boulder, Colorado, Motanama County, Oregon, New York, California, Massachusetts, they're all using fossil fuels themselves. they've used it all there. And yet they're suing these companies claiming that they are engaged in deception and fraud. And again, so the idea that we are courageous today, as I say, that may be slightly hyperbolic. Nevertheless, it is, it's at the very least,

stressful to live with this degree of difference. Now, when always goes for historical analogies and, you know, the Civil War period is obviously the great benchmark, and we're not at a civil war yet, thank heavens. And the differences over slavery may be more profound than differences over whether sex is assigned at birth or is something that is stamped onto every chromosome in the body. But it just does feel like we are going further and further apart. And again, what to me is most worrisome, Dr. Drew, is the lack of understanding of the preciousness of law and order, the fragility of civil peace, and the need to respect until it's a very bad place of actual verifiable fashion. the need to the people who are trying to carry out the rule of law and that

is lost on the left right now and we are definitely in a slow motion insurrection. We may not be at the legal we justified in calling out the insurrection question to me as I see what's going on in

Minneapolis and elsewhere that there is a concerted destroy the rule of law in this country by people that have no idea what actual chaos and the... Right. You know, G. Van Fleet a minute ago was talking about how if you don't teach young people history, they're disconnected from it, and then you can indoctrinate them into how things are now, so to speak.

Now, you're known for being very much boots on the ground. Have you been to Minneapolis? Have you seen what's going on there? or do you have any, or do you have a report for what you think the organizers, who the organizers are, how this is happening there? I haven't been there recently in the current insanity there. It is, it is amazing. I mean, between George Floyd and now all these nice, pacifistic Midwesterners that have just lost their mind, driven, of course, by a lot of by female hysteria and neurasthenia. but again, I would just say that these are people that, as you say, Dr. Drew, are ignorant about history. They don't understand that you assault law enforcement officers. Cittal shootings are horrific and one has to put oneself of the reporters.

and because I think we all have a tendency to on our side more seriously see that happening. So it is horrible and the tactics on the part of the police were not ideal. That having been said, though, there is no, there was weeks and weeks of. unjustified provocation going on, totally unjustified rebellion against the federal government authority. I'm not one Dr. Drew to be particularly interested in the question of, is there money behind this? I think that all we need to know is that the ideology that's been coming out of universities has taught the elites, the young people, the middle country that anything about American Western civilization is illegitimate and to see things in apocalyptic terms

assume the worst about enforcement. So I tests are autonomously generating. You know, there's probably professional actors. Nevertheless, this comes out of an ideology that is homegrown. I have to take on. I think Trump has taken on in the university. on that account. But talking about the fact that we are, the young people, as you say, are being taught

certainly know nothing about what before the nation state and before law and order and due process looked like. Heather, we're going to take a little break here. Your Zoom started breaking down again, so I'm going to have you restart that. Caleb will give you some instructions. But two things. me when we get back. One is there is a term for this hatred of the Western lexicon. And there is a historical antecedent to this where apparently, you know, societies go through cycles when they become very successful. I think the term is oikophobia, the hatred of the

self. And when we come back, I want to talk about, you mentioned women and their role in what's going on in Minneapolis. I hear the term gyno-fascism being tossed around. I'm curious on what you think the role of women, because they're certainly front and center in a lot of this stuff, what you think that role is, sort of how you construct your understanding of what women have done here

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All right, Heather McDonald's here. You can follow her on X by looking her up and city dash journal.org. Did we solve the Zoom problems, Caleb? Yes. She's going to be coming in on audio only. So you'll able to hear her. I think she should actually be here. So, and there you are. I'm here, but yeah.

Okay, I'm glad you can hear. The audio is. I'll break up with you too. You sound pretty good. Let's give you a chance. I'm just going to give you a chance to answer my question about, well, you heard me talk about gyno-fascism. I want to get your construct, your thinking on that topic.

Well, I observed this firsthand at Columbia University. the administration building was stormed by the protesters who had been changed hours robotically around the quad underneath the great neoclassical Butler Library. What was so striking to me beyond the students that were paying $90,000 a year in fees to attend one of the great university time repeating again. And again, and free Palestine and from the river to the sea instead of reading Plato and Aristotle. But the other thing that struck me was that the population was about 80% female. These are people who claim to be in favor of female liberation and against the patriarchy,

supporting a cause that is the most patriarchal misogynist culture on earth today. which suggests that there's a problem of rationality on average, not in every single female, but when females mobilize like this, they're not exactly capable of correctly analyzing. And I think that we do know, and you would know better than anybody else, Dr. Drew, psychological differences between men and women, the great five percent. personality traits, singles out for particular high ratings for females, neuroticism. That is, excessive worry, fear of taking risks, feelings of being afraid, of being afraid, safe. And so you have, and the male on average, higher, and again, there are many individuals who

contradicts more likely in data, in exploring the world, seeking explanations, in risk-taking in competition, in rationality. And we have this increasingly female-dominated, and that is certainly a feeling the entire campaign against academic freedom, again, academic freedom, against pursuing the truth wherever it finds regard for phony claims of harm and unsafety overwhelmingly by the female administrators. What I see in Minnesota, in Minneapolis, is again a sort of hysteria, a group hysteria that we've seen at very, you know, the Salem witch trials. It's society. I would say that something has gone away.

conceptualized male and female roles. We've been telling kids that they should aspire to be competing with males for partner status. Raising a family, raising children. They should be equally promiscuous, equally, you know, search of it stands as males that their sex drives are equal which they're not. The

emotional response to sex females parts and yet we're telling them they should be equal. I think frankly conditions that go against the average innate cycle which is

the greatest comparative advantage that females have is the maternal instinct, their desire to nurture, to create domestic beauty, females are cracking under the pressure, and the results for all of us is not pretty. Heather, we're going to wrap this up. Where can we find you? What are you working on these days? And thank you for joining me. But what's coming up for you? You have completely blanked out. I didn't hear anything of that, I'm afraid. Okay. I'm going to say it again, which is, what are you up to?

to next, where can we find you? Still no. No, I'm not, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, can you communicate with Heather? Yes, ask that question, perhaps, yeah, I, she won't be able to hear me. It's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, like, an internet connection issue. We're only getting every, you know, five or ten words here. I can hear, but I can hear, it can hear, fine. The alternative is to call me on my smartphone. Do you want to call me on my smartphone? That's all good. Just ask her the question I asked. And just if you could, Caleb. I missed your question.

I'm sorry. Trying to fix her connection. Let's come. Let's coming up. What's coming up? What's coming up working? Heather, Drew wants to know what's coming up next for you. What are you doing next?

What's on your upcoming? Well, as I say, I am writing this massive piece on the attempt to destroy American prosperity and American industrial grandeur by these lawsuits that are coming fast and furious against the oil and gas industry. But I'm obviously still following what's happening in New York with Mamdami. That is a horrific thing. I've never heard any politician be as explicit in his hatred for the producer class, in his hatred for success. He makes no effort to be even handed and be a mayor for all of the city. He is going to bring the city down with his encampment.

He's not clearing homeless. It's going to be a lesson in the depravity of progressive ideology. If there's anybody left around to record it in New York City. Thanks, Heather. I appreciate you being here. We'll get you again. We get the technical stuff ironed out. Caleb, can you also throw up for me what is coming next or in terms of guests?

I know we have a huge lineup coming, including J.P. Spears, J.P. Spears? J.P. Sears? I'm again? Yeah, J.P. Sears. Luke Roodkowski, Peter Schweitzer, Salty Cracker. Tim Hankcliff next week. And we will be gone there. If you notice from the 5 to the 17, there's kind of a break in the schedule. We have to escort a dear family friend to Poland, which is her native country to be back with her family. She's had a serious medical problem. And our housekeeper of 35 years. And we may try to do something from Western Europe there, where we are.

We may make the effort. We can pull that off. It'll be very interesting. But we appreciate you all being here. Let me quickly look at the stream. I'm just so proud that we dodged the Palestinian bullet with Paulina because she was going to Columbia, but she was here. And then she went to Minnesota.

and came back and just dodged the bullet of the... There also. You know, I didn't see her in the news, thank God. But I can see exactly what... Heather. Heather was saying, and she's 100% right. I, you know... Well, I'll tell you who has been...

Disappointing. It's really... You know who's been ringing this bell of concern about this exactly the way Heather constructed it is Camille Paglia. I suggest you... go visit the podcast of Camille Paglia with Jordan Peterson or go. I've been looking lately at some of her early missives.

And she was concerned 20 years ago, not as alarmingly concerned as she is now. But she does not hold back. And she's been very quiet lately for the last couple of years. I think she's writing or something. But I would love to get her on the show. If anyone knows Camille Paglia or can get access to her, let me know. She reminds me kind of

of Naomi Wolf in the sense that she was focused in one area and all of a sudden she realized that focus needed to be brought over to a broader category and now she is on fire. She's very concerned about things. As many of us are. Hopefully

we can navigate through all this. It's been kind of interesting show today between G Van Fleet and Heather at McDonald, their ideas about what we're confronted with is, you know, it's concerning. I think all of us need to keep talking, keep educating, keep reaching our hand out to anybody that will listen. And in the meantime, you know, as Voltaire said,

you must cultivate your own garden. So stay focused locally because that's where you really can make a difference. Be aware. Be aware of your community and stay strong. Thank you so much, everybody. We'll see you on Tuesday. Is that right, Susan? 2 o'clock on Tuesday. Yes, sir, Barbarino.

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