Ask Dr. Drew - Xi Van Fleet: Survivor Of Chinese Revolution Warns USA Is Following Same Path to Marxism – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 342

Episode Date: April 6, 2024

Xi Van Fleet survived the devastating Chinese Cultural Revolution and escaped to the USA – but now decades later, she warns that America is on the same path to cultural Marxism that destroyed her birth country. In Xi’s book “Mao’s America: A Survivor’s Warning” she exposes comparisons between China’s revolution and current-day America: Marxist tactics like “division, indoctrination, deception, coercion, cancelation, subversion and violence,” and goals of weaponizing youth, loss of freedom, and ultimate totalitarian rule. Xi Van Fleet describes herself as “Chinese by birth; American by choice, survivor of Mao’s Cultural Revolution, defender of liberty.” She was born in China, lived through the Cultural Revolution, and was sent to work in the countryside at the age of 16. After Mao’s death she was able to go to college to study English and has lived in the United States since 1986. In 2021, she delivered a school board speech in Loudoun County, Virginia against Critical Race Theory that went viral and ignited national conservative media attention. She now devotes her time and energies full time to warning about the parallels between Mao’s Cultural Revolution in China and what’s unfolding in America today. Follow Xi Van Fleet at https://x.com/XVanFleet and read her book “Mao’s America: A Survivor’s Warning.” Dr. Meryl Nass is a board-certified physician with over 40 years of experience in all areas of internal medicine. She is a nationally recognized expert on epidemics who has consulted for government agencies around the world, especially focussing on anthrax, Zika, Ebola, and biological warfare investigations. Follow Dr. Nass at https://x.com/NassMeryl and learn more about Door To Freedom at https://doortofreedom.org 「 SPONSORED BY 」 • BETTERHELP - This show is sponsored by BetterHelp. Give online therapy a try and get on your way to being your best self. Get 10% off your first month at https://betterhelp.com/DrDrewRumble • COZY EARTH - Susan and Drew love Cozy Earth's sheets & clothing made with super-soft viscose from bamboo! Use code DREW to save up to 40% at https://drdrew.com/cozy • TRU NIAGEN - For almost a decade, Dr. Drew has been taking a healthy-aging supplement called Tru Niagen, which uses a patented form of Nicotinamide Riboside to boost NAD levels. Use code DREW for 20% off at https://drdrew.com/truniagen • PET CLUB 24/7 - Give your pet's body the natural support it deserves! No fillers. No GMOs. No preservatives. Made in the USA. Save 15% at https://drdrew.com/petclub247 • GENUCEL - Using a proprietary base formulated by a pharmacist, Genucel has created skincare that can dramatically improve the appearance of facial redness and under-eye puffiness. Get an extra discount with promo code DREW at https://genucel.com/drew • PROVIA - Dreading premature hair thinning or hair loss? Provia uses a safe, natural ingredient (Procapil) to effectively target the three main causes of premature hair thinning and hair loss. Susan loves it! Get an extra discount at https://proviahair.com/drew • THE WELLNESS COMPANY - Counteract harmful spike proteins with TWC's Signature Series Spike Support Formula containing nattokinase and selenium. Learn more about TWC's supplements at https://twc.health/drew 「 ABOUT THE SHOW 」 Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Kaleb Nation (https://kalebnation.com) and Susan Pinsky (https://twitter.com/firstladyoflove). This show is for entertainment and/or informational purposes only, and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Thank you for joining us for our special Monday show. Today, very interesting. First, we're going to be talking to Xi Van Fleet. She describes herself as Chinese by birth, American by choice. She escaped to the USA after going through and surviving the devastating Chinese cultural revolution under Mao and his wife. Decades later, she's warning that America is on the same path. She calls it cultural Marxism. She saw this as something that destroyed her birth country,

and she is very concerned about it. Her book is Mao's America, A Survivor's Warning. Susan is very interested in this topic and very concerned about this very phenomenon and has been thinking about it for some time. Everybody knows it. Dr. Meryl Nass will be here at the top of the next hour. She has an update for us on the next thing

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So that's my basic position. I'm looking at how Caleb titled today's Twitter spaces, which is Chinese revolution survivor warns USA is on the same path. And so that is she had fleet. You can, Caleb's laughing at himself. Uh, you can follow her on Twitter or on X rather.

Uh, let me make sure I've got her. Whoops. I'm, uh, I think it is just she van fleet. Am I getting that correct? Everybody,

um, hold on. I'm down in Merrill Nass. Now there it is. X I V a N F she, Van Fleet. Am I getting that correct, everybody? Hold on. I'm down in Merrill Nass. Now, there it is. X-I-V-A-N-F-L-E-E-T. No, I'm sorry. On Twitter, it's just X-Van Fleet. I beg your pardon. X-Van Fleet.

And it looks like in Instagram, it is X-I-Van Fleet. And we have many sort of links for her. You can find on our YouTube and whatnot. And as I said, Meryl Nass will join us a little bit later. You can follow her on X at Nass, Meryl, M-E-R-Y-L. She welcomes so much.

We appreciate you being here so much. Thank you for joining us. Well, thank you for having me. So I want to sort of tell the story. I know you've done it a million times, but I want my listeners to hear not just your personal story through the cultural.

I remember being called the cultural purge at one time. I think that they've people have, for some reason softened it to the cultural revolution. Your story through that and what you saw and what you understand happened during that that revolution so-called well that's a big question um yeah i was too young to really understand uh what was going on but i do remember and it was uh like, my world turned upside down. And that's absolutely how many, many people failed. It was a world turned upside down. So one day I went to the classroom and there was a sign on the blackboard, no class for three days.

And that three days turned to two years. For some schools, it's four years, no school. School was shut down. Why? Because the principals or administrators or teachers were ousted by the students. That's a revolution. And we

were told the bad guys were those in power. And to kids, who do you think first when you think about people in power and teachers? uh so overnight um yeah that the teachers will become our enemies and as kids and uh it's our duty to uh fight against the enemies that uh mao told us um because mao defined them as the enemy. They are called reactionary intellectual authorities. And was it like Hitler Youth

where young people were being encouraged to report things to certain authorities? Because I'm imagining you were in grade school and I imagine it's, my bet would be that it was the high school and above that were turned in and the rest of them just took off before the grade school kids could come after them. Were they being encouraged to report it to certain authorities? That's, it's always a feature.

It is the feature of the Chinese Communist Party. And not in the culture of Lohan, but but we it started the day it was born so it's the DNA of the Communist Party and we were always taught and even I was only seven it's already ingrained in my mind Mao and the Party demand our absolute loyalty. So if we have to choose between the Party and Chairman Mao and our parents, absolutely, we choose the Party. So it's not just cultural revolution, that we were required to report to the party. And not just your friends, your neighbors, your co-workers, and even your family. And there's just no question about it. It's not even that something you have to think about it.

You automatically choose the party because if you don't, if you don't, and if they found out you and your, your parents or your, you all, eventually all of you will be denounced and you will be, anyone that did not report will be considered enemies. Is that still under, is it still underway to that degree, do you think? Absolutely. Nowadays, it changes forms. So before, they depended on people, right? Because there's no technology.

They depended on people reporting people. Today, they have better technology. They have surveillance technology and then, yeah, now they have such technology that if you have frequent contact with someone with low social

credit score, you will be affected. So, yeah, now, today, they don't need really people reporting people the technology will take care of but that's always the culture i always wonder what how to understand let's say i'm going to just as an example i'm not picking this for any specific reason but during the pandemic uh war games so-called that uh forget the name and number

of that thing there was there was a moment there a year before covid where they were war gaming these things and people from all over the world came there were a lot of chinese scientists and clinicians in that meeting and i remember talking to people who were at that meeting who spoke so glowingly about their collaboration with the Chinese. How did the Chinese see those people that believed that their colleagues were collaborating with them? As I said, it's part of the culture. Actually, I think a lot of people doing it without thinking what it is. It is really a form of control, a form of control by the government to use people against people. But it's in the DNA and it's always for the greater good, right?

Especially during the pandemic, that's what we're taught. But this is not just Chinese. This is here. It is actually taking roots in American culture that we are supposedly. So when I quit my job in order to write my book two years ago, and I remember even years back in my workplace, we're told here you hear it, you should report. Report to, we had this DNI, Vaccine Diversity and Inclusion Council. So, and then during the pandemic,

we were told that we should report. So-and-so did not wear a mask. So-and-so, the neighbor having a party will have their family gathering. So it's no longer something alien. it's no longer something we over there in the communist country it's here it is it is a way for government to control people so any government yeah want to yeah that that's one of the questions i had i wanted your opinion that i i look at these tendencies for these this sort of totalitarian creep let's call it that we sort of government seemed to creep that way is it is it something you know i i'm trying to understand

why it happens right is it something that just the kind of people that climb into positions of governmental power want more control? It's sort of a natural feature of a human in those positions. Or is there something more consciously, almost nefarious going on where eventually somebody gets in the mix who sees this as some sort of opportunity. And as you said, it's always in the name of doing good and doing right. I mean, whether it's French Revolution, Mao China, 20th century Russia, whatever it is, it's always the name of the good, the greater good. Why does it happen happen why does it seem to happen again and again even in the face of obvious you know five years ago we all understood this was a terrible thing

and did horrible harm to people all of a sudden we're in it how does it go from one to the other okay you're asking a really um uh the question in a in uh in kind of psychologically, why? I don't have a real good, I don't have like a complete answer, but I do know that this appeals to the worst of human nature. So for the people above, they do want to control. And how do they control? They can't control everyone.

So they have to use a way to use people, reporting people. So use people to control people. But for humans, and there is also the worst part of humans, is this is a system that allows them to really revenge people they don't like. Or to use this as an opportunity to get to people that they had grievances against. This happened, like you said, in the French Revolution. This happened during the Cultural Revolution in China since the communists took over.

This becomes a standard feature during any political campaign. You have people going after people they don't like, making up stories, but the system works because you report they don't really, it's not about truth. It's about control. So if you have a problem with your co-worker, you can make up some rumors, some stories, and report to the party, and you know the party will believe you because the party is not going after truth. They're just going after people. So if you can make people fighting each other, that's how they control you. So that's how I look at it, but I'm sure there are other reasons

that people do that. I'm confused why they need control. I mean, I live in a country where we thought it was the opposite. I thought that's what we valued was the opposite. And I can remember whenever I had somebody try to think of anything conservative that I stood behind. Because normally I was fighting conservatives. But occasionally I'd come up with a conservative opinion and, and, and always what I would get back was you're, you're not the boss of me. You can't control me. I was like, I'm not even,

I'm not interested in that. I don't understand what would make somebody interested in that. I guess it was around the addiction setting. I was like, don't, don't let people do that. There's a, there's a way to address it that's firm, and that's considered controlling somebody. No, no. If somebody's brain isn't working, I know certain techniques to get them to where they can get well. That's different than just this need for control. That's different. Need for control is mysterious for me.

It's mysterious. I don't understand it. It's about power. It's really about power if you think about it. And how do you hold on to power? Because your power, well, when I say your power, I'm talking about the Chinese Communist Party. They did not get it because people put them there to represent them. So they got it through violence, through a revolution. So in order to maintain power, they have to control. They have to control not just people, but people's mind. And so, I talked to someone and then we discussed the difference between authoritarianism

and totalitarianism. And I think the difference is pretty big. Authoritarianism is a government that will, you know, they will make decisions and force upon people. As long as people follow it, they're okay with it, okay? So even if you don't believe it, as long as you follow it, it's fine. And so that is, to me, the government that the CCP overthrew.

That's the nationalist government that they were defeated and then kicked out China to Taiwan. They were authoritarian. They forced their decision upon people and required that that you follow but ccp is different communists are different they not only uh want you to follow it they want you to believe it so you have to they have to control every aspect of your life your home what you do uh at your own home and what you read what you think and, and what you read, what you think. And it's here that they really want to control. And that's to test them.

And that's what we're dealing with. That's what you see is happening now here. Yes. They want your mind. They want to control your mind. You can't just say, okay, leave me alone. I'll do this. No, no, no, you have to believe it.

And you have to say, not just say, two plus two is four. You have to, it's five. You can't just say, okay, okay, leave me alone, two plus two is five. No, you have to absolutely believe it. And they have way to make you believe. In China it's called thought reform. Everyone has to go through it.

When they took over China in 1949, everyone from down to the villagers up to the CCP leadership, everyone has to go through that thought reform. So you only have one thought in your mind, and that's Mao Zedong thought. That is the correct thought. And even Mao said, you know, in a nation with 800 million, we can't have 800 million thoughts. That's unmanageable. We should have unified thought, one thought, and that is Mao Zedong thought. That's unmanageable. We should have unified thought, one thought, and that is Mao Zedong thought. That's the CCP thought. And so they want to control your mind. I think

that's the difference. Who are they here? You keep saying they. Who is they? I know, I know. So people do say, you know, this is not a cultural revolution because in cultural revolution in China, there is a man, there is a face that's Mao.

And here, who are they? And I know there is no one face, but there's a group of them. And we don't see all their faces. We see some. And I call them globalists. They're not Americans.

They absolutely don't consider themselves Americans. They consider themselves the ruler of the earth. So in many ways, they're more evil than CCP. So far, CCP managed to control a nation, even though it's just a huge country with like one-fifth of the world population. But the globalists here we're talking about, and their goal is to rule the whole world.

And they're not, they're a group of them. And we know some faces, but we don't know them all. It seems like the first. But some of them are Chinese. I mean, I think it started years and years ago with the Chinese hating America. And then, you know, Trump came along and that probably made it worse. But I just, you know, there are globalists from China as well, right?

This is a difficult topic. And I talked to many people because I'm just curious myself what is the relationship between the CCP and the globalists and of course they work together and CCP was has been the biggest benefit benefit

the most from globalism but I am not sure Xi Jinping now is with them because Xi Jinping is a nationalist. He doesn't want to share power. He doesn't want to be a group, a member of a group. He wants to be the emperor, not just of China, but eventually of the world.

So I think that's why now I think they're breaking up. It's hard for me to read that. I talk to a lot of people. Yeah, I always worry that, yeah, I always worry there are things going on that we don't know. Like, for instance, you just raised an issue with how Xi Jinping looks at the world. And I immediately think to myself,

I think to myself, well, maybe the globalists know that, and they're trying to raise some sort of bulwark against him. Maybe that's their primary motivation. They just don't say it publicly. Yeah. I do think this is very clear to me that Xi Jinping considers himself an emperor. And right now, it's the emperor of China. But he wanted more than that.

He showed us he wanted more than that. So he did not want to share power with a group of people, I think. Yeah, emperors tend to want more. Emperors tend to want more. That tends to be the trend with emperors. They tend to go that way. Well, that's really interesting. Go ahead. And I do think that way. Well, that's really interesting. Go ahead.

And I do think that here, who are behind this? And it's the globalists. Because what's going on in America is not just in America. It's the West. What their target is take down the Western civilization. And, of course, in order to do that, the first thing they have to destroy is America. As long as America is still free,

they can't break up the West. So that's how I look at it. And I'm guessing the new World Health Organization so-called treaty is something that you're gravely concerned about. Yeah, of course. And this is something I think a lot of people probably don't see it because they're not familiar with the history of China. How did Mao win the revolution should be successful in industrialized countries such as Great Britain and Germany.

But it didn't happen, right? It happened in Russia, which is a very backward country. And then China, which was absolutely a growing country. No industry whatsoever. And so Mao's contribution to Marxism is he showed that you can use countryside to encircle the cities and take down the country. And that's what Xi Jinping has been doing. He's using the third world to take down the city, which is the first world. So this third world is the countryside. So that's why they take over the power of all this, all of the world organizations, UN and WTO, I think WTO as well. And all the world organizations

have been infiltrated, not just infiltrated, but been controlled by CCP. And you mentioned the World Health Organization, Dr. Gibratius, who my understanding is a known communist. Susan, are you happy with that? Need any more? I've got many more questions.

Keep on going. Okay. So before we go to break, I want to go back around to sort of a psychological question, which is that when you look at these major revolutions, so-called, so France, Russia, China, the youth are not just the useful idiots. They seem to be very much the evangelist for the entire project and they usually have at their head some uh charismatic leader whether it's rose pierre or lenin and these guys are not good guys they are not good people. And do you have any sort of opinion on what that is? What has to go wrong with youth for them to have to fall for this?

Actually, Mao's first revolution, which is the revolution to overthrow the sitting government of a nationalist, were not done by young people. They were really done by peasants because they promised them land. And so this is the difference. Mao said that he achieved, he had two major achievement in his lifetime. One is the first revolution

to overthrow the city government. And the second is his cultural revolution, which is also a revolution to overthrow a city government. Only this time, it is his own government. So cultural revolution for Mao is to overthrow his own party, his own government. Why? Because he felt like he was losing power. He needed to overthrow

those people in order to put his own people to replace them. So the first time he used peasants, and of course there were some young soldiers, but not specifically educated young people. But the second time, he used a different kind of army. And that army is the young people, the Red Guards, from elementary school and all the way to colleges. So that is the difference. And at the second revolution, the Cultural Revolution, and they used the, not this time, it's not for land, because there's no

land. Land is all taken and now by the state. So what was the motivation for the young people? Because those young people have been through, thoroughly, they have been through the indoctrination for 17 years, since 1949. So they knew nothing but communist indoctrination for 17 years since 1949. So they knew nothing but communist indoctrination. And so they were taught, like I remember, we were taught that why we have cultural revolution is because the capitalists and the bourgeois and those people that we thought we have already

Defeated no, they're actually they're not totally defeated. They want to bring back capitalism back to China so that we will We were all Become the victim of capitalism and what was capitalism? We have no idea. It's bad because the party says so we're defending our um our way of life and we don't know any other way of life i think that's the difference if i i hope i made um no that's a very it's very very interesting i i have to take a little break here but i but i want to get further into sort of the whys and hows of the cultural revolution and then the correlation that you see with us now we're here with g van fleet you can follow

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with G. Van Fleet. Caleb, I'm getting a strange echo in my ears. I don't know if other people are hearing that as well, but I hope not because my voice is coming back to me a second later. I don't hear anything. And I wonder, okay, good. I wonder if that's coming off of the Twitter somehow, the Twitter spaces or something. Yeah, it's weird. I've never heard this before.

Anyway, as long as the rest of you aren't hearing it, I don't care. G. Van Fleet lived through the Cultural Revolution. She has written a book to warn you all about what we are going through now. And I want to just get a little bit more into the whys of the Cultural Revolution in China. What did I read once? Some history, I think it was a Paul Johnson history. So it was probably a conservative view of the Cultural Revolution, and he made a big issue of Mao's wife being

very involved in this. Is that true? Oh, yes. She actually was the implementer of Mao's ideas, and she absolutely played a major role in the Cultural Revolution. But can we go back a little bit of what we discussed before? And I want to make a comparison to what happened in China, the two revolutions, and what's going on in America. Yes, that was my next step.

Go ahead. The first revolution by Mao was to overthrow a city government, and he used peasants, right? He promised them land. And so that is the classic Marxism, is to use class to really ferment a revolution and then overthrow the government. So we have that here. And those are the followers of Bernie Sanders and L.C. They want freebies.

They want, what is it again? They want, it's okay. They want free what? Freebies. Free what? Freebies. Freebies. Yeah, free stuff. Okay, fair enough. Yes, keep going.

They want the government to take care of us. And they don't care about the rest. Okay. And there is another group. They are the supporters of cultural promotion. Those that indoctrinated young people, mostly.

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No problem. Take your time. I'm sorry. You're back. Yeah. So there's another group of people who are absolutely in the woke army. Who are they? They are the social justice warriors.

What they are fighting is not, they are really not fighting for themselves. They are fighting on behalf of all of us because they want to bring us a better world, a world that's more just, a world that's more fair. And those are really the social justice warriors for the Cultural Revolution. So the problem is they're just as indoctrinated as the Red Guard. They have no idea what is that better world. They have no idea

what communists, communism bring about in the end of the revolution. And we lived through it, but they have no idea. So they're fighting for all of us to bring us a better world, a utopia, that they think this time they can do it better. So I just think that this is important for people to know the difference of those groups that are participating in the so-called woke revolution to overthrow the system. Yeah, this time it will be different, are the most famous words in any economic assessment.

This time it will be different. This time they're doing better, they're doing right. Yeah. So I'm sorry, I just want to finish that. I think that's an important question that we discussed in the last segment. Oh, yeah. Oh, no, I want to dig even a little deeper into that and and to your point about you know we live through this you that would live through the

cultural revolution you know with the increasing centralization i i spoke to do you know christine anderson is a eu mp who has been screaming about some of this, particularly she's worried about the World Health Organization treaty and whatnot. But she says, you know, some of the young folks on the Western side are not as easy to reach, but the Eastern Europeans, they get it. They went through it. They see what you see.

So Eastern Europeans see what Chinese citizens saw during the Cultural Revolution. Particularly, she said, the East Germans. The East Germans, they got it. It is amazing today. We see the Western countries importing Marxism back to the Eastern European countries, but those people did not take it because they had it.

So I think now, today, America is the biggest exporter of cultural Marxism. And so they export the ideas to the free world everywhere. And that is the danger, and a lot of people don't even recognize it. Okay, so when it comes to that, by the way, there's something called called oikophobia which is a theory that cultures eventually hate themselves and we have western oikophobia particularly highly functioning rich rich cultures they eventually turn in on themselves that's a theory but susan i'm reading your mind. So when she talks about America exporting Marxism, the cultural Marxism, do you worry, Susan, or do you wonder, did China have some hand

in making this transformation or in promoting the exportation of cultural Marxism? I'll let you ask the question, Susan. You're asking me? I'm asking whether that thought- I would say yes. No, I'm asking whether that thought occurred to you. I'm trying to read your mind. I imagine you went, well, we are the biggest exporter of cultural Marxism. Somewhere China had a hand here. The young kids and the media.

So on Susan's behalf, let me ask, where did China have its hand in helping this along? Well, they are helping. Yeah, they are helping the Marxists, American Marxists, overthrow the American system. They're giving a helping hand. But I don't think the ideology is from China. And this is something I think a lot of people are still not aware, but more and more started to see. This is a homegrown. Cultural Marxism is a unique product

from America specifically, was started in Europe, but they brought it to America in the 30s by the Frankfurt School. They are the grandfather of American cultural Marxism. And it took them almost 100 years to get where we are today. So they are the grand, they are really the origin of the American style cultural revolution. And so does China play a role? Of course it does. But I think it's important to know it's not from China. And of course, where did China get this idea? It's from Europe, from Russia. So I think what's happening today, people will say, oh, there's no woke in China. And that's true. Well, you won't see this crazy things

such as transgender in China. But that's a good question, why? Here is the answer. And to understand this is very important. Why Mao launched the Cultural Revolution and with it the destruction of the culture, cancel culture and destroy of the past, destroy our heritage and in the end about 20 million people lost their lives. Why would he do that? What was the reason? I'll explain a little bit. It's power. He wanted to take back

the power he thought he was losing. Okay, so why there's a cultural revolution in America today? Same reason. There are people who want to take over the power, and in order to take over the power, they have to destroy the system. They have to destroy our election, our rule of law, really our institutions, everything. So that's why they're launching the Cultural Revolution in America. Why there's no Cultural Revolution in China today? Same reason. Xi Jinping has the power. He has all the power. His goal is not to have a revolution. His power is not to have a revolution. His power is to, in his own words, let's build a harmonious revolution and a harmonious society. So let everyone be happy. If you complain, you are the one that should be put away.

We don't want to complain. We want everybody to have so-called positive energy. I think once you understand that, you understand why we had this chaos in the West. It's because someone want to take over the power. Let me frame this and see what you do with it with this frame. Which is that you've heard nothing for the last seven years other than that President Trump is a dictator. Former President Trump wants to destroy institutions. And then COVID comes along and anyone who takes issue with some of the excesses of the institutions and, frankly, their inaccuracies and disgusting behaviors, you want to destroy the faith in institutions.

So how do we – Our democracy. But how do you – our democracy and we're gonna and you're you want to overthrow our democracy so we're going to take out some of your electoral choices like rfk jr or trump perhaps so how do we understand this world where each side sees the other as the one that's undoing our institutions and is one somehow a reaction to the other i know it is i have to say it is a very very confusing world to a lot of people to a lot of people so if people haven't noticed that something weird has been going on for the past decades they will have a hard time understanding this. And so what happened in the past decades,

it is the indoctrination of generations of people started in university. And those people are now really, they take over the institutions. So you heard that word, long march through institutions. So the people now think differently. They think like Marxists. They don't know, but they do, because I know that's how we were taught in doctrine to

think in China. So they think the institution is still there from the surface. They still look, it's still there. We still have our constitution. We still have our court. But something behind a lot of things has changed. The people that were put in those positions were no longer, they no longer believe in American foundations and American funding principles. They are no longer really Americans in many ways. So they're still there, but things have changed.

So when they said defend our democracy, and they are talking about the institutions that has been rotten from within. And of course they don't see it. And so I think that's part of the reason. And that they are fighting for something that is no longer what it is, what it should be. Well, Susan, you want to say something here?

Drew has a hard time because we put all three of our kids through really high level uh institutions and most of our kids came back mars marxists it's certainly influenced by they were influenced but and that and that totally makes sense to me but but it's been since the 90s i remember in the the 80s, there was that big neoconservative movement and all this stuff. And it's been the 90s that it really got going in this sort of systematic way where anybody who, where anything alternative has to be crushed in some way rather than argued with. And you said we're no longer American. We don't teach American history. So how do we expect people to understand what being American is?

And that's been going on for a long time. History has been neglected. But that's still different than... It hurt me so bad because I came to this country, and it was a difficult journey to make my way here. And once I came here, I feel like I left communism behind me, and I will have the freedom I thought would be just there forever you know and when I hear people um including you know my you know my within my family and um

talk bad about America it really really hurt me and I was like do you have any idea to live alternatively in another world like China. But that's what they have been taught. And that's how, that's what most people think nowadays. They think about that America is a racist country, is an imperialist, is a colonizer, is just like a, you know, it's the worst, the evilest country ever. But they don't know what it is to live in a real communist country that they thought they're fighting to make America become. So, yeah, it is a long time in the making.

It's been a long time in the making. It's been a long time, and the conservatives were asleep. Do you have a set of recommendations to how to push back? Yeah, that's why I wrote my book. I say that I'm responsible as well, even though I blame on the conservatives because I'm conservative. And I always love America. I always love America. And I always want to be American. And that's another thing missing. After I came here, I tried my best. I just want to be American. I want to know why America is so great. And so I was eager to be assimilated. And I believe in

melting pot. And today, you know, we're taught multicultural. And every culture is the same. So we have to bring back America. We have to let young people understand how exceptional America is,

and how do we do that. I think my book will tell the young people what it is like to live under communism and how special this country is. We have to bring that back in order to re-educate. Yes, talking about re-education, we need to re-educate the young people. And so understanding is the first step. If you don't understand it, then you can't fight back effectively. I want to swing back around with one more psychological question do you think there are times in history where young people are more prone to this kind of thing uh the one thing i've noticed is if there's a lot of disruption in family systems a lot of childhood trauma that's when this kind of thing seems to emerge have you observed anything like that yeah i think that's when this kind of thing seems to emerge. Have you observed anything like that?

Yeah, I think that is absolutely a reason. But also, it's just we have lost this educational system. And it's a long time ago, and the church as well. I think, actually, if you ask me what is the most important thing, and I would say the church. And I think that the church has been under attack for over a hundred years. And today, the church is still there. You know, people still go to church, but up to 80% of those are woke churches. They are teaching social religion. They're not teaching real Christianity. So that's the first step to destroy the West, is destroy the church. And after that, it's the family. Destroy the family and then the rest. Those two,

they're always the target of communism. And that's what they did in China. They destroyed all the religion as soon as they took over power, shut down the monasteries, shut down the churches, and then they destroyed the family. They drive a wedge between parents and the children, and they demand the loyalty of children to the party. And they did the the same thing. But, so how do we save the future generation? I talk to a lot of people, a lot of young people who are conservative, and I ask them, how come that you are not the victim of the indoctrination?

And the answer is consistent, always consistent. Church and family. That's why they are not radical left. That's why they're conservative. So we have to really save our church and the family if we want to win the war. I think we should leave it right there. We've sort of run the cycle.

Gee, I appreciate you coming on. I appreciate the book. I haven't read it yet, but I can't wait to. I know Susan's going to devour it too. Before I let she go, Susan, do you have any questions? I'm spinning over here. Yeah, she's been very worried about this. She's extremely concerned, paranoid.

Well, you know, it's funny because when the pandemic started, our kids were just graduating from their master's program or their undergrad program. And they were the first to tell us, do not go outside. You can't travel. Wear a mask. Oh, during the COVID.

Under 60, over 60 and they just totally bought this whole thing up and i was like i'm flying to greece i don't care i'm old and obviously you guys are listening to this and it's not true you're if you get covid you're not going to die like i just please what are you doing so i see how they were already indoctrinated from the colleges, and then they were just, but then they kind of went to the other side when they started realizing they weren't being rational. So hopefully our youth can try to get through this. Reality has a way of coming to bear, don't you think, Shee,

that reality kind of comes in if you can help support it? Please comment. I it, please comment. I know, I know. I do see that. But if the reality hit them, hit every one of them before they wake up, it will be too late. It will be really too late. It could be.

But I think about this the way I think about people that wake up from having been in a cult, right? And I'm not saying it's a cult. I'm just saying that there's- It is a cult. Okay. Well, G. Van Fleet thinks that it's a cult. But I'm not prepared to say that, but I am prepared to say that I know how people, when they've been indoctrinated into something, when they see reality, it tends to rush in all at once. And that's what they're fighting off. They're fighting,

fighting, fighting, fighting, defending, not letting it because it just keeps wanting to come in. And when it does, it comes in at a big rush. When people find their way out of cults, oftentimes it's in a moment where they go, oh my God, I can see it now. So it may be too late, but if you can get enough of them kind of into reality, it does happen fast. And so it's not as though each one that comes to reality has to be. I know what you're saying. I hear you. I believe the warning, and we are kind of late to the game here. What scares me is that I'm seeing procedures that remind me so much of early 20th century Russia

and whatnot, where there seems to be people trying to close down other arguments and other points of view and other parties and candidates and things. And that's reprehensible. And we all need to be disgusted by it and react accordingly, it seems to me. And I agree with you.

Get back to what the country is about and trying to pay attention to that. What makes it interesting and special and what kind of genius system our founding fathers created. Any last words before I wrap it up? Yeah. One last thing I want to say is that sometimes I feel

like the conservatives are not really fighting hard enough. And I think maybe we will be helped by the left when they go with when they push their radical ideas too far and that will wake up a lot of people.

I think transgender is one of them now a lot of parents are waking up it's because they are pushing it too far and hopefully uh that absolutely will wake up more people yeah i i don't really see this as a right left thing i mean look look at uh bill maher he's always you know sort of associate himself with left he's saying some you. He's a friend of mine. I can stand by everything that comes out of his mouth lately. And as he sees reality and assesses it and thinks hard about it, he's seeing things for what they are. And that's what we all need to do.

Jean, thank you so much. Go get the book, everybody. I appreciate you spending a little time with us. Thank you so much. And I enjoyed the conversation so much time with us. Thank you so much. And I enjoyed the conversation so much. Me too. Thank you. And I want to, we're going to have Meryl Nass in here in a minute,

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Is there an earthquake happening where you are? Your camera's moving. Susan just knocked against it. She was holding something behind the camera. Wait, hang on. I was holding the teleprompter. I have the new Vanna White teleprompter. So Susan's doing multiple jobs. Holding it over the, dangling it over.

Susan is not only worrying about China and running the show at this age. Oh, I wanted to yell in the background. I was like, ah! She's also running a teleprompter. You know, it's so funny because before she started talking about the higher education situation and doctorating,

I knew where she was going with it. Yeah, of course. But that is by far the thing that has made America so compliant to these ideas, these communist ideas. And it just, I mean, I saw my kids completely transform. And I want them to know about communism and I want them to know about communism. I want them to know about Marxism and I want them to understand the rest of the world, not just live in a little Pinsky bubble,

but when they really come back, just spouting this stuff, you're like, whoa. Whoa, indeed. Let's bring Dr. Meryl Nass in here. There's Susan Pinsky. Meryl, you know, we have had her on many times here. She's an MIT graduate. She's an internist.

She's been involved for quite some time in pandemic preparedness. And Meryl, welcome back. Hey, thank you again for having me. Let me get your particular so I can promote where people can find you. It's NASMeryl, right? Isn't that where people can follow you on? NASMeryl on Twitter. At NASMeryIL, right? Isn't that where people can follow you on? At NASMARIL on Twitter. At NASMARIL.

Excellent. So you have some new, oh, Doortofreedom.org. Tell me about that. Doortofreedom is an organization I founded last year to fight the WHO effort because there were lots of organizations that were doing a little bit and none that were totally focused on it, and I thought we needed that focus. We also needed a website that would put all the WHO documents, all the versions of the treaty, the international health regulations, UN documents, and other things all in one place

so people would be able to find them because they were very difficult to find. And anyway, I created an organization. Now we have a small staff and we are here to help people around the world fight this wherever they are in a whole lot of different ways. Could you imagine when you were practicing medicine in New England 20 years ago that this is where we end up? Isn't it something? Isn't it astonishing? Yeah. I mean, it's really, what can I say?

It's like we've stepped into another dimension. The people who have been controlling things behind the scenes are now visible. Who knew that? Is it COVID that did that for us? Or you can tell me who it is in a second, but is it COVID that did that for us or you can tell me who it is in a second but is it COVID that did that well I think that um they became bolder they they thought they were coming to the end and that they would be able to I mean I hate to say it to impose a global government that they

could run and uh in order to do that you you can't hide what you're doing anymore. You have to make it obvious. And so they tried to do it quietly at the WHO and at the UN. But still, if you're looking at the documents, it's right there. They talk about global governance. They're trying to change the financial system of the world, the health system of the world, control information around the world, you know, impose the PrEP Act, which took away liability from unlicensed drugs and vaccines on the whole world. And who are they? Well, I can't give you a name or names,

but it is, you know, very wealthy people who are behind the WHO, the UN, you know, who managed to tell the G20 what they're supposed to do, that sort of group. So, you know, it's probably the Bilderbergers, the Trilaterals, Council on Foreign Relations, etc. And I, you shared with me your new sort of slides that i thought were really very uh clear there we go uh that i wanted to put up tell us what's on this page uh i have to make it bigger um basically yeah i know eight things that the who wants to be able to do. And if they can get their pandemic treaty and their amendments to the international health regulations

passed in May, seven weeks from now, they will be able to control information, restrict the medications you are allowed to have when a pandemic occurs. They will be able to impose quarantines, border closures, masks, vaccinations, unlicensed vaccines, and no liability for these unlicensed medical products.

It's unreal. It's really unreal. They learn nothing from COVID, and they consider it some sort of triumph or trial run that they now need to triple down on. I guess that's right. This must have been the dress rehearsal. And then there's another screen here that you shared with me. If we could put that up, Caleb. I only have this. Let me get the other one. There's another one. Yeah, if there was a page two, I might have missed it. I'm going to pull it up right now. There is a page two.

While we're getting that, Meryl, maybe you can tell us what people should be. Go ahead. Yeah, so the other thing that isn't on here that the World Health Organization wants to do, which in some ways is the scariest is that the world health organization wants to become the world controller of what they call potential pandemic pathogens and the other name for these are biological warfare agents so the who is directing countries to go find them to build sequencing laboratories so that they can decode the genome. And then as soon as they've got the thing decoded, they send the sequence to the WHO, send specimens, samples of

the virus or bacteria, whatever it is, to the WHO. And the WHO is building a biohub network that will hold on to these pathogens and share them globally with universities, with pharmaceutical companies, with research centers. And the nations that find them are also allowed to share them or sell them. And if these pathogens are used to make drugs, vaccines or tests, then the countries that provided them will get royalties, which they call benefits. So it's basically a method of open sourcing biological warfare agents, spreading them around the world, spreading the sequences, the genetic code for these viruses and bacteria on the Internet, where hackers can download them and recreate them. And, of course, the United States alone has 200 accidents a year

with research on these dangerous pathogens that can cause pandemics in humans, animals, or plants. 200 get reported to the CDC every year in the U.S. alone. So if we now direct 196 countries to start doing the same thing, how many accidents are there going to be? And when every nation has all the same pathogens, when a pandemic starts, you'll have no idea where it came from. You won't be able to do the, you won't be able to identify the source. And then they roll out their 100-day vaccines, their rapidly produced drugs, and all the other instructions that the WHO plans to impose on every nation in the world. I'm guessing that we're one of the better managers of sort of viral safety environment. So at the very minimum, we can expect 196 times 200 events

out there in the world if they're 196 country and probably more like 196 times a thousand or something in that order. Or let's say conservatively times 400. I mean, it's still an insane amount. Now on your page two of the placards you sent to us, there are two QR codes.

One is to the Sovereignty Project, and the other is to the, there we are, Sovereignty Coalition, and the other is Door to Freedom. Is there a difference between those two? Yeah. So, Door to Freedom is one of the 15 or 18 members of the Sovereignty Coalition. So, Sovereignty Coalition is a group of organizations that are all working on this issue. And in fact, we're going to have a webinar right after your program. If people want to sign up for that, they can do so at the Sovereignty Coalition site.

Sovereigntycoalition.org, right? Thank you. Yeah. And I think I did the sovereignty qr code it was very easy to sign the various uh sort of sign your name to the various um documents you guys have tell people about that yeah so sovereignty coalition has uh basically a petition and rolls out a line act, which that's a company that has made it very easy, created software to make it very easy to contact your elected representatives at the state, county, federal level and send the messages that either you create or that are already there. So we can do that. And then Door to Freedom has a vast amount of information about all aspects of the Great Reset,

as well as the UN, the WHO, analyses, videos, memes, posters, handouts, etc. And we too are trying to, we're working with Sovereignty Coalition to roll out a program so that people at the state level can ask their legislators to pass a resolution or a bill that will say that the WHO does not have authority in your state to give you orders to manage your health care in any way.

That same statement can be made by the AG or the governor. And then Louisiana just came out and said something to this effect. Is that going to have any carry? So we think it will um last week uh louisiana's senate voted unanimously 37 to 0 um for a bill that said the who has and the un and the world economic forum have no authority in the state of louisiana and even if they try to express their wishes through, for instance, the federal government, it will not be allowed as a cause of action in Louisiana. That's a very important vote for many reasons. It's the first state to have passed such a bill.

It also, well, it hasn't passed yet in the whole state, but it will. But it was unanimous, which meant that the Republicans and the Democrats voted for it. This is a nonpartisan issue, even though the Democrats have tried to be nonpartisan issue. But it's really about, yeah, do you and your doctor have control of your own body and your health care, or does the WHO?

And we say, no, the state doesn't, the federal government doesn't. And certainly, why would we give it to the WHO, especially after they did everything wrong during COVID? So we think this is a very important precedent and we're trying to roll this thing out in the rest of the country. Now, some states have already finished their session of the legislature, so can't do it that way, but they all have attorney generals and governors who can make the same statement.

Okay, so why do we think you have the right to say this at the state level? And the reason is that the Constitution says in the Tenth Amendment that any authority that wasn't specifically given to the federal government falls to the states or to the people. And health was deliberately not put into the Constitution, and so it falls to the states. The federal government has acknowledged this at times. And 18 years ago, in fact, the federal government acknowledged this in a reservation to the WHO when they said, we're going to go along with these amendments, but if the state has authority, all we'll be able to do is give them a recommendation in favor, but we're not going to be able to turn over authority to you for it.

So that was very interesting. And 15 attorney generals two years ago challenged the federal government, which had on the last day of the Obama administration, rolled out a plan that identified the definition of a public health emergency of international concern as having five parts. Any one of these parts would meet the definition of public health emergency, and three of those definitions relied on a decision by the WHO. So basically what Obama did on his last day in office was say, we're going to turn over the authority for declaring public health emergencies of international concern to the WHO. The attorney generals challenged that in a petition. and how in fact the United States never ratified the constitution of the WHO, which is the treaty document that specifies the relationship between the United States and the WHO,

and that we haven't ratified subsequent documents like the international health regulations or the amendments. And so it is really questionable whether we are bound by those documents. For all those reasons, they challenged the government. The Biden Department of Health rejected the petition. The AGs of Texas and Oklahoma sued in 2023, and the case was thrown out by a judge on the basis that they didn't have standing because the states had not been harmed at that point by this transfer of sovereignty over to the WHO. So that's where we stand with it. We have this wonderful precedent that the AGs said, look, you can't do this, 15 of them. And we need to bring those states, the AGs who are in now, some of whom were

in then, some of them weren't. And we need to make them do the same thing and say about the WHO, you don't have any authority over the populations in our states. I hate to see this end up in the Supreme Court, but I can tell you guys are ready if it does. And as it pertains to the federal government of healthcare, they refuse to get involved in mental healthcare to this day in any way. Medicare obviously is a transgression from the constitutional privileges

granted to the federal government, but there's something called the IMD exclusion that persists to this day. And it was Franklin Pierce that first gave an opinion on that. So that has been standing for quite some time so Meryl where do you want people to go I got to wrap things up

you said that you're having a little symposium or something tell us about that yeah so four people the two founders of Sovereignty Coalition were Frank Gaffney and Reggie Littlejohn James Lindsay and myself will be speaking at 8 o'clock

Eastern time tonight on a webinar to try to explain to people what's going on with the WHO. We've got seven weeks and then there will be a vote of all the members regarding this pandemic treaty and the international health regulations. And we need the world to understand what's going on. There's tremendous censorship, as we know. The WHO, of course, wants to make that worldwide, and so we can't get the message. It's very hard to get the message out, and I really appreciate, Dr. Drew, that you've let me come on and reach your audience, but it's critical that we tell people what this is. This is an abrogation of five of the amendments to the U.S. Constitution if these documents are passed

and the United States enforces them. We've got to stop this process. We've got to reject them, stop ratification, insist that the Senate has to ratify. There are various ways to do this but we're working hard we're pushing every every lever we know is the show available at sovereignty collection uh coalition.org yes it will be absolutely thanks it's in 45 minutes it's coming right up here so if you guys want to collect other people and your family and friends do go get them and ask them to listen to dr nass this is important stuff i

and again do scan those qr codes they're so easy you can just sign your name to the document it goes right to your elected officials it's it's really uh very very um respectful use of your time they're not going to ask you to do very much, but I know that everyone has feelings about this. So please get that QR code. There it is. Scan it right now. It's the one on the left.

That's the one I want you to just scan. And then, Kayla, can we also put this up on our website or something? Can we have it out there somewhere? I'll put it up there. All the links will be up there on the website too. All right, Dr. Nass, please tweet out also Can we have it out there somewhere? I'll put it up there. All the links will be up there on the website too. All right, Dr. Nass, please tweet out also that you're going to be doing the, tag me and I'll retweet it for you

when it comes time for the event tonight. Thank you so much. Dr. Nass? Oh, to be on Rumble? I don't know. Oh, okay. If it's on Rumble, okay. Well, we'll see.

If it's on Rumble, there's a new feature called Rating. So I can send everyone watching our show now over to yours if it was happening. But I'll look and see if I can send people that way. Yeah. The Sovereignty Coalition is planning webinars every Monday from now on until these two documents are considered by the World Health Assembly. So sign up and you'll get, you'll get an email about them and you can also get the link from my

sub stack, Merrill Nass, that's sub stack to come. And do get a rumble channel. I mean, I'm looking at the rumble rants here and they're like, is there a rumble channel? People want to,

people want to be watching this on Rumble and they want to chat about it while they're watching. So again, thank you again. We'll talk to you soon, no doubt. Great. And let's review our upcoming guests here. I'm going to be traveling a bit so Dr. Kelly Victory will take over on April 3rd, Wednesday

with Ed Dowd, Robert Barnes, Viva, what's that? You skipped over tomorrow. No, I'm going back to it. Viva Frye, his partner, Robert Barnes, Viva, what's that? You skipped over tomorrow. No, I'm going back to it. Viva Frye, his partner. Robert Barnes will be in here tomorrow. Vivek Ramaswamy, April 9th. Ivor Cummings with Dr. Kelly Victor.

Again, I'm out and traveling. Jack Prasabic, Matthias Desmet, Salty Cracker. Many interesting people. And if you want people to, you know, bring crack around, you want to hear more from somebody, please let us know at contact at drdrew.com or if you have suggestions. Again, Emily Barsh, who I see her ranting away on the Rumble Rants with you guys, has been hard at work and just killing it on the bookings. So I'm assuming we will keep it going that way. And I'm constantly throwing her ideas at people that catch

my eye out in social media or other places. So please be a part of that and send it our way too, if you could. We appreciate Dr. Nass spending a part of that and send it our way too, if you could. We appreciate Dr. Nass spending a little time with us today. Go watch her seminar tonight. It's in 45 minutes, 40 minutes. I just tweeted it. Good. Excellent. And thank you to Sheevan Fleet for spending a little time with us and to get her book, read it and read history, everybody. It's a time. We need to fill in the gaps of our own knowledge. Many places you can go to read good stuff. So do so. And we will see you tomorrow at 3 o'clock Pacific time with Robert Barnes.

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