Barn Talk - Farm Talk w/David Zieser

Episode Date: September 19, 2022

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Farms are different in type, in size, and even in name. Welcome to Barn Talk. This will do Farm Edition. We're going to talk today a little bit about our farming operation, and we get a lot of questions about that, so we thought it's a little pre-harvest. So there are damn few 400-acre grain farmers out there, and the reason that we're able to operate is with us today because not many people have the quality of equipment or the quality of technology that we have available when it comes to plant and harvesting.

And the reason for that is the guy that's here, he is the innovator. He's the innovator. Sometimes he's the devastator. and he is the master mechanic at tall corn acres. But before we get to him, we got to pay the feed, guys. So you guys know the drill. If you get any value from the show,

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we see everybody that's been doing that. We really appreciate everybody that pays the fee. And then last thing I got to say is if you guys have any questions that you want us to answer on our Q&A episodes, submit them at Barn Talk Show at gmail.com. I'm not going to do polls on Instagram anymore because some people miss them. Some people don't see it. So Barn Talk show. Some people aren't on Instagram. Yeah, some people aren't on Instagram. So Barn Talk Show at Gmail.com if you want to submit questions to us to answer. on our Q&A episodes. Also, if you want to send us feedback in any way, that's a good place to send it as well. So reach out to us there. And without further ado, let's get into the show. Hey, one more thing while I think about it, and I'll try to put this at the end too, because we had a lot

of people that really like Bourbon Talk, and I'll try to remember to mention this at the end. We were going to get back to Bourbon Talk. Next week, next week episode will just be us, and we'll do a little bourbon talk. And the other thing I want to throw out is in two weeks, I think, we're going to have Claire Dunn on the podcast. She's a country music artist that reached out to us, and that ought to be, that's something totally different than what we usually do, but ought to be damn interesting. So check her out on social media. Her name's Claire Dunn, super nice lady, and she's going to be here in two weeks. So let's get started. Welcome, David Zezer. How's it going? It's not too bad.

how are how are fall preparations coming they're coming along uh slow but sure um all the stuff on the combine that was broke last year for some reason didn't fix itself i was sitting in the machine shed so it's because you didn't water it hasn't rained yeah i've noticed that if i'd have left all my shit outside it'd be perfectly clean going into i don't know only because we got that one we got one good over one inch rain other than that everything's been dirty as hell all summer yeah but now sitting in the shed man it just gets covered and junk and full of mice so yeah i haven't found any chewed wires this year so that's a good thing but oh i fixed my header speed control and fixed um supposedly the big valve body on the side is most likely cracked and that's why it doesn't hold oh yeah that's right

So that thing is just the valve body is three large. So I'm going to set it manually and then I put a little ball valve up on the head. So I'm going to set my hydraulic pressure and then go down to shut that ball valve. Well, that should work. I hope it works. Yeah. But that was kind of the big thing that I got into this year. And then my header control on the platform wasn't working last year.

So I drug the wiring all the way out through the column on it and patched a spot where the mice had chewed. And it appeared to be working the other day when I tested it. But otherwise, change in oil in the 4640. Yeah, we're pretty much ready to go. I just got to get wagons out, air up tires, get the bins opened up. We haven't even started. We haven't greased anything. We haven't cleaned out the auger.

Do you guys want to buy a combine? No. Someday, I just don't think we will. I got a combine. I would buy your, he doesn't, but I do. The only stipulation is, and I'll overpay for it. Okay. You just have to come with it.

That's the only, that's the only kicker. See, we're looking, we're going to do a little extra manure this fall. So I was thinking, well, maybe if I get somebody to combine and deal with the combine, then I can just be ready to haul shit when it's time to haul shit. There you go. That might be the thing. Why don't you give them a little background for what David does for us? Yeah, so any of you that are crossovers from the, this will do Farm Channel, we don't plant our own crop and we don't harvest our own crop.

And we don't apply our own manure. So you'd say, God, you guys are lazy bastards. We are kind of lazy bastards whenever we get the chance. but I grew up in a Massey family, so we ran the entire Massey Ferguson line up to the 850, and so it's kind of like when you just have consistently bad experiences with equipment, you get to the point where, you know, I don't know if I necessarily want to own a combine. And with no more than what we farm, it just doesn't seem to make sense

as much as David would like for me to buy its combine. doesn't seem to make sense for us to own one. And what I like about our partnership is that if you don't already know it, you're going to find out that David might have received some of this from his father, but he's very mechanically inclined, and he's also very adaptive. And so he likes he likes technology and he likes uh he likes equipment um that he can work on and thus it keeps working even when we get sidetracked it doesn't stay sidetracked very long and so it's been awesome for us because we we basically um get the ground ready in the spring and now then that we basically no till we've kissed that off we don't we don't even do a good job of that and then uh we haul a lot of corn in the fall

and stand around and watch. We're there for moral support. So if any of you saw like when the rotor was slugged in the combine, we're always there to hand wrench. Cheer them on. And go, boy, that looks, oh, that's fucked up. That was much appreciated. Yeah.

Those little things help. Other than that, we're pretty much useless. But David is, he is the, he's the secret behind our farming operation. He is. And don't get it twisted. I would like to eventually someday plan our own acres and get our own combine. Dad, maybe not, but I do definitely. But we just got to grow the farm a little bit because it just doesn't make sense.

Yes, you grew up on massy equipment, but that really isn't the biggest reason. It's not. It's not. It's that we've got to get more acres to farm for it to make sense, truly. As much as I like David, you know, I like having them come every fall and every spring, but, you know, sometime maybe we can kick you to the curve. So send your donation today. So we're just starting the new Whistler Equipment Fund.

Just feel free to join at whatever GoFundMe page we're going to start and just, yep, send it our way. Well, it helps and it hurts me both. So I really, we need the income. It helps me take care of the equipment. But at the same time, it's a little extra wearing tear on the equipment. Yeah, I mean, our combine is probably towards the end of its natural life. so things are starting to fall apart. How long have you had it?

We've had it. Since you burnt the last one down. Yeah, mom and dad, before I started farming, an O-10 had the wonderful combine fire, which was kind of a big deal for a major equipment manufacturing company at the time. They were kind of chitting bricks for a while. But we ended up, our combine is an O-10, so we got an O-10, and it was brand new.

Insurance paid part of it, and then we paid off the rest. But it's no 10, and I think it's got 18 or 1,900 hours on it. It's in the prime of its life. Stuff starts breaking, and then you go to the dealer and they're like, well, that's, yeah, it's about that time that it's going to start breaking. And you're like, what's only got 900 separator hours on it? Yep.

Yeah, it's. Or a thousand separators, whatever. It's such a vicious circle. And I mean, I think the only thing, I can equate it for like people that aren't in ag would be, I'm assuming it'd be similar for guys that are in the in the dirt work business in the fact that this equipment has gotten so high price that to justify owning it, you have to run just a shitload acres through it. The problem is you run a shitload acres through it. And then you wear it out. Yeah. So I don't really know, I don't really know what the

answer is because you either have to buy used equipment and fix somebody else's problems or buy new and just trade all the time and just pay just have that fixed cost if it's going to cost me this much an acre for equipment and some people argue that it's it's about the same whichever way you go because the the repairs can be as great as the as the payment on the new one but yeah I mean by the time we've got we've got quite a few other debts right now that we need to get knocked down before we can get a new combine but yeah by the time our combine's ready for yeah trade yep yeah probably not going to china much more than parts yeah so give us a little bit of the background of just you personally business farm all that how'd you how'd you end up back on the farm

give us a little bit of that all right well start with where the farm came from So Grandpa Fred Ratta bought the farm in 1913, and he farmed with his two boys. Jesse and Don, Don being my grandfather, and then they had two other sisters as well. Uncle Jesse fought two World Wars, and Don stayed home to work the farm. Well, long story short, Don ended up dying in 1967. So my grandmother basically rented the farm to the neighbors until 1980. When my father and mother, who were living and working in Cedar Rapids at the time, Rockwell Goss.

Yep. And Kirkwood decided that Farman was the life for me. So they brought us down. I was one at the time and got into it then. And yeah, the 80s were a struggle. Yeah, that. that must have been a powerful because to make that decision would be tough

but to make that decision in 1980 I was sitting here thinking going they must have really wanted to farm yeah naivete yeah that helps was a lot of it yep but yeah I mean pigs have always sustained us

through the 80s in 90s dad and mom were farrowing and row cropping renting you know family land basically is what it what it boiled down to um and then in uh so then yeah i mean i grew up on the farm helping cut teeth and tails and castrate and move pigs and bed pigs and all that stuff we one of the craziest things we did is we loaded pigs on a day where it was sleeting and storming and the old trailer hitch trailer or bumper hitch trailer and we head to Colonna in Highway 1 is just a sheet of ice.

So we get to the part where it goes down into the English River Valley. And luckily the sand truck had just gone through. So we low gear and slowly creeped her down there. Creeped her down that hill. But yeah, we did a lot of crazy things. But yeah, I guess high school, I was into 4-H-FFA, band, football, all that stuff. I graduated in 1998 and decided that the farm wasn't a place for me at the time. I always loved farming and wanted to be a farmer.

But dad and mom were, you know, just finally getting their feet under them financially. So I went to Iowa State, studied engineering for two years. And after one full calendar year of physics, where I went from an F to a D to a C. Wow. Same course. Yep. I decided I don't think engineering is cut out for me.

Plus, I couldn't understand half of the professors what they were saying or what they even wanted me to do. Right. So I found industrial technology, which is kind of engineering light and was in the education department. But it was basically shop class for college kids. Yep. So we had like woodworking class and foundry we did. we made little Iowa State coasters and that kind of stuff. Anyway, graduated college with the BS in a short six years.

Some people have MS and doctors in that amount of time, but I got out with just a bunch of BS and worked for a plumbing contractor as a project coordinator in Cedar Rapids, Iowa, not a project coordinator, project estimator in Cedar Rapids. did that for four years. And then in 2008, a friend of mine from college, good friend, worked for H&I, which is Han or Allsteel and Muscatine, and said, hey, we're hiring engineers.

You need to put your resume in. So I did, and that went well from 2008 to 2012. A lot of lean manufacturing stuff. Quality control. you know just product flow those types of things and then in 2012 dad and mom were kind of ready to start backing off a little bit um they had always done it all themselves like mom would run the combine all the time she would run the soil finisher and chisel plows and all that stuff um but they were ready to transition and to move me back in so they built

There are fourth hog barn, a 1,200 that year. And then I was going to come back and chore it and do all that stuff. I'll back up here a little bit in 98. So 98, as I'm leaving to go to college, they broke ground on the first 1,000-head pig barn. So they built that one in 98. They built our second 1,000 in 2002. They built our third barn, which is a 2,400 in 2007. And then, yeah, the final straw, what we got now is this 1,200.

So we've got 5,600 pig spaces. But anyway, back to 2012, I came back. I did the chores on the barn and was just kind of farmhand helping at the time. Mom was still doing all the bookwork and stuff like that. And dad was kind of the operations chief. what goes where and the decision on the seed and all that stuff. Mom got sick with cancer in 2015, and she ended up passing away in 2016. So that shifted things around again quite a bit.

So then I kind of became the decision maker of what goes where and that kind of stuff. And then dad is now still into the money decision and the rate in the bill of the amount. I thought you were going to say, I thought he was into. And he's our head mechanic. Yes, exactly. Number one groundskeeper. Yeah, project manager. So anyway, but he's doing all that now.

And then my wife and I moved finally to the farm in 2018. I got and I quit Chorn then too. It just got to be too much me living in Riverside driving an hour a day, driving down in the middle of the night for alarm calls load pigs or that alarm that shall not be mentioned yep that would always call with a false alarm and I just wasn't there you know to be with the kids I'd get home late or yep and I couldn't get enough done on the farm so gave the chore duties over to Eichelberger's and yeah now I just walk around all day looking for shit to do yeah

Yep. So one thing, and we'll probably touch on this later, but you know, so your interest in engineering and just that kind of stuff, that probably didn't come from happenstance knowing your father. Because to go back to the 80s, my first memory of your dad is because our old hog billings when we were fair to finish we had a ritual where every every weekend or every sometime when we would sell pigs we had an extra set of divider gates that went so our finisher we had a 500 head finisher that had 16 pens in it and actually had 32 pens because the alley was down the

middle and they had the gates that ran from the alley to the wall and then all the alley gates. And we had a full set of gates that ran from the alley to the wall and two alley gates, extras. And the reason we did is because we built these parts in the 70s and they were all rusted out. So Wayne Zezer coming, he was a damn good welder, is a damn good welder. And somehow my dad, my dad latched on to Wayne and he, he was. He was a damn good welder. And somehow my dad latched on to Wayne and he was the savior because we would tear out a full divider gates that had been welded on 15 times from the welding shop in Washington. I might be exaggerating a little, but they'd been welded on quite a bit. Load them up, take them over his easers, and then we'd come home and put our spare set in.

And then when the next time that one was shot, you went in and they had it loose from the wall and they were moving it back and forth, oh time to call wayne and see if he had those done and yeah yeah dad ran a welding shop through all the 80s and into the 90s um so that was another pretty good source of income um to be honest torque those nasty shitty hoggates are why he's like i'm fucking tired of this people just bringing me the shit i'm quitting yeah but no he really enjoyed the he enjoyed the work and the the customers but yeah i watched him and he he took an old four row uh cultivator side mount that went on our 656 he took that thing and he converted it into a six row yep and then he built a um front three point mount for our 1086 so then we had a front mount six row cultivator yep which if you've

ever cultivated corn yep that's when you wipe out corn is you oh yeah to make sure you're not out corn. Yep. And then you'll start wiping out corn. Yep. So he did that. I watched him make a, okay, so then we go from a six row planner to a 12 row planner.

Well, we don't have a field cultivator. So we bought an old eight row wide Glencoe converted that into a 12 row 30 inch. Field cultivator. Yep. We needed a rotary hoe. So he, I don't know if he bought the tines. I think he got him from the d'clock. deer store for basically nothing but he built everything all everything on a 12 row

field cold or uh rotary hoe um so yeah i just i watched him do that my whole life he's pretty good at woodworking um yeah he can fix damn near just about anything yep so yeah i mean i i watched that and kind of became somewhat mechanically inclined um and yeah that's got me in to wanting to, you know, kind of be involved in the manufacturing process. I don't know if I would have liked design engineering at all or not. Yeah. Because they were just in their office all the time. Yep.

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I was, yeah. So what, so is your, does your wife come from a ag background or city? girl or good question so my um i met my wife's brother at college we were in the same fraternity together and um after college you know i moved back to iowa city was living there and their family was from tiffin and they farm as well um so they were into ag and then we just kind of met up one new year's eve and you thought it would just one thing led to do you thought that it would be a cruel joke on your best friend to date his sister she was a little more into me than i was okay all right well then it's all right but uh so she was on board with the idea of of coming back to the farm still up in the air she liked the money of the engineering job the hours weren't great great because you know you'd go to work on a friday and you'd tell

your wife, I should be done by two or three, because I put in four tens and a couple of 12s already this week. But something would go wrong. And she'd call when you coming home? Well, I don't know. Got to get this up and run. This happened,

and all the big chiefs are here stomping and chomping and wanting this fix. But, yeah, she kind of knew what she was getting into. Yeah, we've had some struggles here and there. but everybody does thank god she's with me and because she's a pretty good woman yeah she's still holding on hope that she can fix you that's the thing you just you want to you just want to you just want to keep dangling that carrot out there give up eventually well i think that's when things i think that's when things really when the wheels fall off if they ever decide that there isn't any hope left to try to fix you i think that's when you're like ooh i i fucked up this is this is year 10 so is

Are we to that point? No, no. If she's anything like, I mean, I'm... What am I? 29? You're 29? No, yeah, I'm 29. Let's see.

We were married in 93. So, yeah, at 23, we will be our 30th anniversary. And Trisha's still like... Still thinks she can fix you. Well, there are some things that she just doesn't... we don't have those fights anymore because she's just resigned herself that I'm ignorant and I'm not ever going to get that figured out. But there's still, I think the list was long enough that she's working her way down and I think I got a good, you know, I think I got at least that

much left before all the options are exhausted. So 10 years, I think you're fine. 10 years? Okay. Yeah, I think you're fine. Made it this far. I think we can make it enough. Yeah, I think he's going to figure it out. Just throw a few, you know what, honey, you were right. Just throw one of them in every once in a while. Yeah. That really helps the hope eater. I've noticed those do help, yeah. And you redid the house.

That's got to give you some round of points. Yeah. I mean. The year we were moving to the farm, it was, boy, I'd really like to have a nice shop to work on stuff. So dad and another,

here's your make anything out of nothing guy. He took our old barn and put a shop in it. And we've been surviving on that. fits like 17 wide by 30 deep, so none of our equipment now fits in the fucking thing. But yeah, I was looking at pricing on building a shop, and Mama said, well, it would make more sense if we lived on the farm. You could spend more time with us, and logistically it would be better. And she said, but the basement's not in very good shape, and I think we should fix it up.

So Mama got a new house and I got a good tan and a good well digger's ass in the middle of winter. That's right. You did a great job on it. Looks great. Working on the equipment outside in front of the old barn. Yeah. So what do you think the biggest challenge for ag is today? We're kind of in a weird, we're kind of in a weird time in ag, weird year.

It's expensive. It's hard to get nitrogen. It was hard to get nitrogen. It's going to be hard to get nitrogen again. Next year is going to be hard. What do you think the biggest challenge is? Yeah, I mean, it's going to be all financial. And I think the biggest problem is the policies and the policymakers.

Yep. Unfortunately, everything is political. We look at our corn and bean prices and they don't always make sense. The swings they take, why do they go up on Friday and why do they go down on Monday? USDA admitted in 2020 that they missed the final readout on crop by pretty size maybe 50% well what did that do to our and they were high yeah is what they admitted well what did that do to our prices all through the fall and then there's such a push environmentally which don't get me wrong I mean and we can

talk about this later. This is kind of what I think, where ag is going. And I'm excited for some of these environmental things, but the people that live in cities and make these policies think that we can grow enough food on less inputs, and that's just not going to happen. But to go with the reason the fertilizer prices went up, I mean, I mean, we always joke, well, because they can, or it's because cost of our commodities are what, you know, our corn and soybeans and wheat and all that are going up. But I do think it is in effort to try to save the planet.

I don't know. I mean, we can, I've heard some theories that, I mean, they may even be looking at population control. I'm not going to go that far yet, But I just think there's people that don't understand what it takes to grow food. I was listening to a strip-till podcast, and they had a guy on. I think he was from a college in Massachusetts somewhere. He was pretty logical about it.

He said, you know, I love all these northeastern food stands. Farm to table, you drive up to the countryside, and you can get fresh vegetables and whatever. and whatever you want. But he's like, to be honest, when you look at what modern agriculture has become, you know, one person is farming more ground now than 50 people were 50 years ago. And he's like, there just really is no more efficient way to produce food than what we have right now. And then he closed the loop and he said, drive up to those farm to table stands in the middle of winter. when it's out of growing season,

you're not going to get that food. No. Yeah, I just, I think the biggest problem with our country is we've lost our sight on God, and we don't believe in God anymore as a majority. And when you produce food, I mean, we've got all the best technology. Um, the corn varieties and soybean hybrids have been just, they're amazing. Yeah. You know, I mean, we can drive through our area now.

And 10 years ago, 20 years ago, you'd have nothing. We would have absolutely nothing for a crop right now. 100% are right. But we're losing a lot of money this year. And there's nothing science can do about that. Nope. That's right. It's pretty frustrating when you're middle of July and you've had a decent amount of rain and the crop has looked really good.

And it's done, this weather pattern has done this the last three years. And from the middle of July until, well, just last Saturday, September, yeah, September 11th. Yeah, 10th and 11th. every rain that they talk about on the news you say well this could be the one that makes us and breaks is if we don't get it it and could be over and that is that's a gut punch when you do that for a month and a half and we didn't get it by the way the one that's like well if we get this one nope didn't get this one maybe we get the next one we never got that one and the ones we would get would be maybe a tenth, which doesn't do much.

It helps, but it's not going to make your crop. But, you know, just to go through that over and over and over again, and now, like I said, this is year three. Yep. You got nothing else but to have faith in God. And I don't know that we'll be here in five years. Yeah, I know. I know.

I know. But I got to do my best to make ends, meat right and just have faith that my eternity is secured yep and i know where i'm going when i'm done but when you got a society that doesn't have that have that doesn't know does have no connection to what it's like the daily miracles that it has to take for your food to go on your table and it's not just us. It's the manufacturing facilities. It's the supply chain, getting it right to the grocery store. And I mean, if you don't see it on the shelf at the grocery store and you say, well, do you have it in the back? There's no back room, guys. Nope. That truck isn't there yet.

The shelf is their storage. And that's how good we've gotten with our supply chain is an amazing miracle in and of itself the way that we've gotten it dialed down. As long as it runs. Yeah, exactly. But I just, you know, I, I noticed this. So when I went to college, I would work summer job in construction. And the first week, every year, I was like relearning how to use my hand. So the first week I would come home and I would have cuts and bruises.

And, you know, you try to pry something on, you know, pry a nail out of, out of the form and you just beat your hand up. So you just, you get away from something for a while and you don't understand what it is and what it's like. And then, I mean, the shit smelled a little more shitty when I came back from working in the factory. Yes, it did. And we're right into a damned hog barn. Yep. That's right.

So, you just, the farther you get away from that. And, I mean, the good thing again about what agriculture has done is it's gotten so effective and so efficient that we've been able to specialize and people can. can go do other things. But at the same time, if you don't understand how precious it is that we have our food and we have all the extra time that we have, I think that's our biggest problem facing us right now is we don't have any clue as a people how lucky we are and how fragile it is. I agree 100%. Yeah, we've talked about that a lot on here. That it's just people, just don't understand and I mean you can't really blame them I mean I think you could you could do some things to help people learn that like maybe requiring some freaking ag classes in high school or

college or whatever so people could just even know that I don't know if that will go in effect but you're it's it's that it's that problem that we became so efficient that less people have to farm so why would they know anything about it which it at least I don't know how many subjects we've talked about where we go back to this idea. I just laugh because that's all you can do. But our society, and not just our society, really, something I think that is unique, and it's not 100%, but I don't think there's ever been a time where the entire world, with some exceptions, is as prosperous as it is today. But pretty much everybody thinks that we are the most advanced smartest people that have ever inhabited the earth.

We got it all figured out. And I always go back and say, the Egyptians did too. The Aztecs did two. The Romans did too. You know, whoever you want to talk, the Turks did too. The Mesopotamians did too. They all thought at their, when they had it going, man, they thought, we got it going.

We're smarter than everybody. And then guess what happened? It all went to hell in a handbasket. Yeah. You can only science the shit out of things so much. Yeah. And then, you know, you get various extremes as to what happens afterwards. I mean, in the case of the Roman Empire, you got the dark ages that lasted, what did

last, 800 years or some shit like that. And you have to relearn all. all this stuff. And the biggest thing, and that's something tying into ag is, you know, the Europeans have subsidized agriculture for ever since World War II because they, all those countries in Europe knew what it was to no famine and to not have food. And they, they paid these farmers to farm 50 acres because they wanted to have a food source. grown locally. And now then you've seen what's happened in

Holland and like when we talked to other ones. Yeah. Huey, I mean, that's the reason they came here is because they've gotten away from that. You know, the farmers, they're taking their land. They're trying to sequester carbon

as much as they came. All in the name of climate change. And so now you've got food insecurity more than you ever have. And you got more people relying on us. Exactly. And then we're all relying on the supply chain because we got so efficient. And the policies that these politicians put in place, which we talked about in our last episode, you know, the natural gas crisis, Russia shut down that

pipeline of natural gas to go to Europe. And now we say, we're going to supply that to Europe, which we talked about the whole trickle-down effect of that. But like, I asked you the question, do you think those politicians even fucking, like, does it even register that that's going to happen? Like, do they realize that that's going to be the trickle-down effect? And or either they don't fucking know, those people that are putting those policies in place don't fucking know the trickle-down effect. Or they're doing it on purpose. You want to go Mao's China.

Yeah, right. I mean, you don't, but it makes you, when I, we also said that in the last podcast, it makes you really think like if we can sit here together and sit and think about the trickle-down effects of one thing that took place on the world stage and how it's going to affect farming and agriculture. Here in this barn, you're telling me some motherfucker from Washington, D.C., can't figure that out? Yeah, they know. It's, yeah, Mao's China. I mean, they took over agriculture, and I think that's kind of what they want to do here.

I don't remember the book, but I'm pretty sure it was Klaus Schwab wrote it, but he said just imagine by 2030 you'll own nothing and be super happy about it. What do you think that means? There's more to life than finding the perfect car, but finding the perfect car can help you get the most out of life, like the SUV that handles everything from drop off to off road and the car that hulls groceries and hockey teams, or the van that's gone from just practical to practically family.

whatever you want, wherever you're going. Start your search at AutoTrader.ca. Canada's car marketplace. Yeah, and the idea of a utopian society where everybody

owns nothing and is tickled shitless to work for the betterment of everybody has been tried. Has been tried so many times and the problem with it is

is, I mean, it's many fold, but one of the biggest problems is that people soon figure out that some people work pretty hard at that and then some people figure out that it's going to get done no matter what they do so they don't do anything.

And then the other side of it is that for some reason, the people at the top of this experiment, they don't ever seem to want to live like the rest of the people. And they're siphoning. They're a little more equal than others. Yeah, they're siphoning off the top. And I think Margaret Thatcher said it best.

She said the problem with socialism is eventually you run out of other people's money. Yeah. I think the world model, I don't know that China's on board with. Yeah. I don't know. You guys talk about the Great Reset. Yeah. Yeah.

No, and I think China. World Economical. Yeah. and all that. But the model for the Western world is what China has done. Yes. They've got their people subdued with the NBA and the movies they allow to come in there. Yep. And the TikToks and the Facebooks, they've got them.

Controlled. Dopamine on the little creature things that we as lazy humans will just gobble it up and not care about actual real rights and freedoms. Yeah. And they, they, we've, we've talked about that too, that the one thing that the Chinese hold above everything else with their population is, they've figured out that they'll put up with a hell of a lot as long as they're well fed. Yeah. But if they have food insecurity, it's, that's their biggest fear. That's their biggest fear. And, um, I, I think that, I think we're at a time where it's very murky.

which direction things go because you've got, I'm a firm believer, and it might not, it might be unpopular opinion. I don't know. I feel like more people are waking up to this just because there's more information that's coming out. You know, you've never been able to get good information out of China at all, but they've been lying about their census for years. years and they're in probably one of the worst, they're in one of the worst conditions generationally of any country in the world, I think. I mean, Japan is, is a textbook case. I mean, Japan, their birth rate's been terrible for a long time. We're circling the drain. But China, they're headed to a, they're like running the buffalo off the bluff. I mean, they're headed

to a point where their population is going to drop so fast that their ability to manufacture and to grow their economy is just going to go into an absolute tailspin. And some people think that they won't be able to keep control of it just from just from the fact that... Well, explain why, because some people might not know why. You know, they had this huge population and basically they had famine coming out of, out of uh, Mao, um, and, and I don't know what do they call that, what they call that when they, Mao, uh, what was it? It was the great, yeah, the great society. And, um, so they had starvation and famine and they had this huge population because people just had kids like crazy because it's like

here, many generations ago, because it was cheap labor. People had kids because you had to get all this work done. It was all manual labor and they did the same thing. So they started. So they started, a policy it was the one child policy where they only wanted to have one child and if you didn't have any kids that was even better which was really hard to do because- Boys were preferred because they could work. Yeah. Boys were preferred. Yeah. And if you didn't have kids, you didn't have anybody to take care of you. And there wasn't any social safety net like here. And they did that. They did it very well. They did it so well that by the time they figured out that if you don't have a birth rate, that is above 2.2. I think 2.2 is basically... Per family? A maintenance.

That's per family, right? Well, for your country. If your birth rate is for every person, you are adding 2.2 because you figure all the accidents and the things that go wrong. on a national scale, if you don't have a birth rate that's above 2.2, you're going backwards. Like 2.1, 2.2.2 is basically maintenance. Over a period of time, your population will stay stable.

China is... I want to say, China is like one of the worst in the world. I think right now it's worse than even Japan is. The United States, one of the arguments you can make is part of the reason we have such a horrible immigration policy is because when we talk about it, we say, can't these guys see what happened or what's happening? I think they do see what's happening.

If you take out what's perceived as, or the numbers that aren't really that are estimated for illegal immigration, if you take out what the United States birth rate really is, it's only about 1.1.6 or something like that. but if you figure in all the immigration, total immigration in what's estimated, we're right there about 2.2, which makes us probably the best developed nation in the world, and then you have Mexico, which is right up there too,

and they're one of our biggest trading partners. So if you look at that, we're good on that part. Or the floatiest turd in the punch bowl? You're exactly right. But China is in a horrible spot. So China's pretty much, they're not going to have enough young people,

to replace the boomers. Yeah, so this whole idea of the World Economic Forum that we need to make everybody equal and really what that means is the Western world needs to go down. We've spent trillions of dollars and however on the UN, which in my opinion was a waste of money, we should probably disband that because nothing gets done of any substance there, but I could be wrong, but we spent an awful lot of money trying to bring up the uncivil, not the uncivilized, but your third world countries, the undeveloped part of the world. We've spent a pile of money doing that, and we really haven't gotten a good return on our money. So now then the idea is, well, if we can't do that, we'll just bring everybody else down. Right. And I don't know.

I feel like if you asked me two years ago, I would have thought, I think I'd be much, more scared of that than what I am today because today I feel like the wheels are starting to come off on all of this and not that that's good because I feel like the wheels are kind of coming off on everything and now it's kind of a crapshoot what we're going to get right but I don't have much faith that we're going to fix it that we're going to fix it or that the people on the hard left are going to get what they want I think we could all end up with something a lot worse Yeah. Like we could end up in complete disarray. We could end up at a civil war. We could end up having a famine in the Western. Well, I don't think it will be, yeah, I think, I don't think it will be left's going to win because I think there's enough people on the opposition in this country to say they're not going to let you do what you want to do. There's going to be, if they go that far, there's going to be a point where there's going to be a point in this country where people are going to put their foot down and say, enough's enough. We're not.

doing this shit. Yeah, what scares me, though, is, so the opposition party to what the left is doing, I mean, we call them the party of stupid, but they're really not. They're the party of, I'm in this with you, and we're going to make some damn money. Party of apathy.

You can vote R all you want, but if you're not putting the right dude behind that R or a woman behind that R, we've been voting. We're going to go, We're going to go with the Democrats, but we're just not going to go quite as fast. We're going to go off the cliff, but we're just going to go about five mile an hour. Yeah.

We've been voting for the lesser of two evils for how many generations. Yes. And I'll tell you something else. You can take local, we touched on this a little bit last week, talking about thinking local. But I'll give you a great example of how we ended up where we are and why we end up with the kind of candidates we end up with. So I was an elder in the church that I grew up in. And that's, you know, that's an interesting little microcosm of politics because you have competing people within a congregation that think we ought to do this or think we ought to do this

or how's the, you know, I don't like this pastor. I don't want, you know, whatever. I think the number one reason churches dissolve is because they can't. agree on the songs that they're singing. Or are we going to... I heard that stat one is they fall apart because you want to do the new agey stuff and I want to do the old-timey gospel stuff. Yep.

Yeah. Well, within that, within that, and that, you know, this is a, this is an old, what I call an old line religion, you know, one of the Methodist, Methodist, Presbyterian, Baptist, you know, one of those, one of those groups. So they had a national, they had a regional council and then they had a national council, you know, and they would have these meetings. Well, they would schedule these meetings, you know, middle of the week. And for all the decisions that were voted on national, both like in the Midwest and then the national. Okay, well, who can go to that?

Right. So the people that go to that are retired liberal school teachers. So on our board at our church, there were pretty equally split, some farmers, some business owners, and then some retired people. And a lot of those retired people happen to be school teachers and very liberal school teachers. Well, guess who's got time to go to the meeting for the Midwest and the meeting for the national retired school teachers? So then you do that. You do that for decades and decades and decades. And when I got off of that circus, I swore I'd never do it again. And we actually left the church. And it wasn't about my local church. That isn't why I left, although I had some disagreements with the pastor we had and all that. It was because the national policy of that church was they wouldn't invest, their pension,

wouldn't invest in any company that did business with Israel, and they wanted Israel declared a terrorist deal. That was the straw that broke the camel's back, and they had a vote on it, and that passed. And that was when I said, I'm done. And when I started that, I was like, how could people think that? And then I just thought, I'm like, well, you've been sending the same-minded people to do this for all these years.

Okay, back out, national politics, people who run for people, People who run for political office today do it for political gain. Yes. They do it for personal gain. They don't do it as a duty to their country as it was intended. Yeah. And we have been sending him there for generations. And today we all sit around and bitch and we wonder, why do they vote this way?

Or we say, how could you look at this problem and not think that it needs to be fixed this way? Because you're looking at it as how can I enrich myself? and the people, my family, and the people that put me in power. Politics is Hollywood for ugly people. That is awesome. Yeah, that is awesome. And yeah, they're all getting rich. They're skimming their, there's off.

Yeah. Yeah. Is there a, is there a, what do they call that when you just invest in the whole market? S&P 500? No, but like that index fund. Is there an index fund that just goes off of what Nancy Pelosi? No, but there are TikTok accounts and people that literally just follow her trade, follow her trades and to say, oh, Nancy did this today. Because they hurt, well, it's technically her husband is the one that makes it.

Well, yeah, she's not trading. She owns nothing. Nope. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. And I also think a big part of that also is indoctrination of kids. You know, they're these, I mean, pretty much every university you go to nowadays, it's rare. if you go to one that isn't completely left all the way.

I mean, they try to push that on to you in every level, even in high school. I mean, every level you're getting pushed to the left. And that's on purpose. Because they might not switch you guys over to become part of the agenda that they want to push. But they've been pushing the agenda down on younger generations for however long. And it's just a matter of time for you guys, away and now I'm the old fucker and I you're not saying you guys are old but you know what I'm saying I'm now the old fucker that's like well you're the minority what the hell what the hell

happened why what's going on with all these young kids well do you feel that you're a minority within your demographic yes and no I I want to say more I think a lot of information's come out and especially with COVID and stuff there's a lot of young kids that are like they see through the bullshit do you feel like the government and we And we don't with COVID. And we, let me just finish. And I don't think we trust what is told to us like with face value. Like we want to see, go through it, see the information, look at it all.

I don't know, maybe not. I don't. But I think just a lot of young kids are seeing that CNN's full shit. Fox News is full of shit. All of them are full shit. We're going to dig a little deeper to find out what's actually going on. And that's promising. if people would realize that Fox News is just as bad as CNN and all them others.

I mean, we'd have a chance. Yeah. You know, because we're like, why the fuck does Grassley still getting elected? I know. Because nobody knows there's another alternative. He is, right? And we don't get off Fox News at night to go vote in the primary. Yep.

So he's just. Grassley is one of the examples that I would give of us. voting for the lesser of evils because at this point, I bet you that 60% of his vote is from people, if you asked him, they're going to say, well, yeah, I don't, you know, we should get somebody new in there, but I'm not voting for so-and-so.

I don't even know who's running against him. I don't know. But Frank, is it Franklin? Michael Franken? Yeah. Yeah. I don't know anything about Michael Franken, but I know he's a Democrat.

I tell you, I've noted. us the commercials. They are more right wing. The Democrats than I have ever seen. Yeah. The Congress lady is like, we need to crack down on China. Yeah. I'm like, whoa. We're throwing out all the hot buttons that they don't have to do anything about, but they, it sounds good. We're America bitch. Love it or leave it now for some reason. Yeah. No, I mean, you look at all the governments throughout history. Like we claim to be we're not a religious nation. and we're not founded on religion, even though we were. We were completely.

But every country that's ever existed always runs on some type of a theology. Yes. Right now our theology is science. Right now our theology is we can improve the world. We are. Yep. We're smarter. We are the people who built the Tower of Babylon.

Yes. Or the Tower of Babylon. Yep. We're so smart. We can out. science, science, and we're just going to... Yep. So anybody who says, well, you know,

droughts have always happened. Yep. Thank God for global warming, or we'd still be under a mile of ice. Yep. You know, they think we need to control the environment. Well, thank God that God controls the environment and we didn't have us saying it or we wouldn't be here right now.

And we can control the environment until we can't. That's the thing. I mean, it's like, we can do all of this stuff. Yeah, and what's to say we shield the sun enough to the point where we go into, you know, a mini ice age, like happened 300 years ago or whatever it was. Yeah, I mean, it's, it's a, well, I always, I always say, yeah, all this, all this, uh, global warming stuff's great. But if everybody in the world doesn't get on the train, what's the fucking point? Yeah, we can do everything here in the United States to. be pro-climate, but if no one else is on board,

then what the fuck are we doing all this shit for? And the other thing I say is, I wish that they wouldn't push it down so hard. I know that the reason they do it is because there's so many people that are going to financially gain from a new industry boom in. 100%. But I'm not against, I'm not completely anti all that shit.

Nope. But I'm anti against it. Let's push it as fast as we possibly fucking can down these people's throats. like everybody wants, they're telling us everybody should have an EV. Is the electrical grid even fucking ready for that? I mean, they're shutting down California because

yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, it's just like, it's great, we can, we can innovate to a better, whatever you want to say, but we got to do it at a reasonable rate. Yeah, the, the, we talked about this with the inflation fighter, uh, pork barrel bill about the EV tax credit,

which they, didn't they didn't need that at all and you know uh like Elon he's he said it we don't need any of that right and you know as we're talking today there's a guy over uh measuring out put solar on my other hog building i'm not buying solar because i'm going to get i'm going to get a kickback i am going to get a tax credit for it but i put it on i would be putting it on even if they weren't because i've got it on one of my other buildings. It makes sense. It's financially, it works, like it works. The numbers work. Okay, stuff like that is just going to happen if you just get out of the way and let people do it. And I think it's great. I think it's a good deal. For me, solar works. Now does it work for you,

if you got it in town, you put it on your house? I don't know whether it makes enough sense, cost versus benefit. But in the hog business for the volume of power that I use and that I've got this big, I've got this big roof that I can cover with solar panels, that makes sense. Yeah. And I do it whether I was getting a tax credit or not, because I know it works. But to shove it, you're 100% right. This idea that we're just going to move everybody, that doesn't work because the system is not ready for that. Yeah. And that's where they get it wrong. They just plain ass get it wrong. Or do they? Well, that's the, that's the crazy thing. I don't know. It's to look at it all and realize how that shit, freaking stupid is it is.

You got to think, well, they're not that dumb, are they? And they probably aren't. I don't know. I mean, I'd say, I've used COVID for the last, I don't know how many podcasts is an example of. They are pretty fucking calculated, obviously, because that was, I mean, that whole thing. was calculated. And I think the whole idea of pushing global warming like Florida's going to fucking get flooded and sink and be gone, that is an extreme version of that exact thing that COVID was where if they're telling us that, oh, the whole United States is going to get the southern part of the United States is going to be fucking gone. Why are the banks financing? Why are investors down there? Why are you still getting sure? Why are you getting? Yeah, I mean, these places wouldn't

fucking finance these areas. Like, it's bullshit. It's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, That extreme push, I don't buy one whatsoever. Maybe a little bit of global warming's happening, but the extreme fucking push that you put, it just pushes me further back. The big pushers of it all got a house on the ocean. They all drive around in their private yachts and they all fly their private jets all over the world.

To your point, sir, like, I'm going to do this on my own. I'm going to become more environmentally conscious. I mean, we used to tear up all of our fields. up until a couple years ago, but you look at your field and your creek has now become silted in with all of my topsoil that I'm never going to get back. So I'm moving there eventually on my own. I went to a strip till meeting at Iowa State last fall, and I'm interested in doing it. I want to do it.

And beforehand, they gave a little spiel. They're like, well, yeah, you know, we've got these car. Let's just talk about these carbon credits. He's like, it's coming, and all these big companies are going to invest in it, and they're going to give you incentives to do this. And I was like, why are they giving away their money to us to farm? Well, you know, it's because they can offset their carbon credits. Or offset their carbon credits.

Well, I didn't know at the time about the plan of the World Economic Forum and the East, SG stuff. Yep. Well, now it's all coming together. Yep. Now it's all making sense. I mean, eventually I, I want to do strip tilling. It gives me a great seed bed.

And we all know that emergence is the most damned important thing you can have. Yep. When it comes to a viable or a most potential in your crop. Yep. And I would even go down the line of cover crops. Yeah. I don't know about, I don't give two shits about sequestering carbon. I just want to rebuild.

my top soil yep and build a more fertile seed bed mm-hmm yep like I don't understand that sequestering carbon thing because like so we're pulling stuff out of the air and it is going in the soil but when the when the when the rye dies doesn't it give off CO2 and go back

into the air I don't understand how there's a yep I'm not they may be right but I just don't get it and it's a it's a it's a shell game. Yeah, I don't think that. I just, the carbon credit thing is weird to me because we're gonna,

us as farmers are gonna sell our, the amount of carbon we sequestered to a corporation that is releasing a shitload of CO2 so they can look good on paper. That's exactly right. I mean, what's the, that's it.

That don't, because then it's like, I just, that's weird to me. You are still going to be releasing all the CO2 in the atmosphere, these companies are going to buy these carbon credits. But if us as farmers selling those carbon credits,

all it is is just your image to how you look. Oh, look at us. We bought all these carbon credits. Some people are like, I just watched China put up 50 new coal plants this year. Yeah. And they burn the dirtiest coal there is. They don't give a shit.

But we don't breathe out of here. No. No. That is, you're 100% right. I mean, that's what we were talking about when Russ was here, is that, you know, these companies, and I mean, hell, yeah, if it's going to be at a good enough incentive for us as farmers, I think a lot more farmers will probably do it.

But on paper, to me, with the explanation I just gave, that's a little odd. It's a little bit of a, I mean, it just sounds weird. No, you're not. You're not fixing anything. All you're doing is shifting money. You're just moving money. Yeah. You're trans.

And so much of what has happened in this country is a transfer of wealth. I mean, that's what it is. It's a transfer of wealth. These companies, they're going to pay somebody for a made-up, basically pay them to do a practice that they may or may not have already been doing just so that they can take that off their balance sheet for their ESG score that they look better. I mean, it's just another, it's just another quota. It's just another quota.

Yeah, and they get the sense of playing God too, I think. there's a little God complex to some of these planners. Well, and that's, you know, that goes back to your earlier point that, you know, we, we've lost, we've lost our, we've lost our faith as a country, as a country. I mean, well, yeah, if you really want me to piss people off, we put ourselves as God. And we all do it. We're all selfish. And that's our, that's our nature.

you know, the first sin was he'd be like God. Yep. The devil. Yep. He wanted to be God. Yep. And we do. Like the idea of climate, the idea of that we can fix the climate.

Right. We think that we can fix anything. And it's the idea of AI. And we can build artificial intelligence that's smarter than the smartest human. We can play God. We can grow. We can grow. people.

We can clone people. Have you seen that freak? There's like, yeah, we've figured out a way that we can actually hack into people's DNA.

Have you seen that guy? No, I haven't seen that guy. That guy's fun. Yeah, what is that, uh, how do you suppose that gets in you?

Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. I don't want to know. Something that's required that we all have to take.

Oh, I'm sure. If not, we're killing Graham's facts. It's all out there. It's all out there. But all that goes back to this idea that we are, we don't need, we don't need a faith in anything.

We don't need God because we are. And I'll make my statement, our faith should be in the government. That's what they want. Our faith should be in the government to take care of us and not in higher power or God or whatever. That's what they want. Have you guys ever watched J.P. Sears on YouTube?

Yes. I haven't. Yes. Yeah, he's, he's that long-haired guy. He's always got his shirt off. Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah, he does he make skits? He gives the reasons about... I don't know how the fuck he's still on there.

I don't either. Because he does it with satire? I think, apparently. They think that he's full of shit. He apparently does a good enough job of not crossing the line, maybe. Not using the trigger words that... But I don't feel like he ever doesn't say... I don't know how he stays all.

I pretty much understand exactly what the hell he's saying. Yeah. Yeah. So what do you think... What do you think? What can we do? What do you think? Like, what advice would you get to farmers now that we're going into this hard-ass time? I mean, we're going to go through a hard year this year, but next year is going to be hard with inputs too. Yeah. Do you have any advice? Do you have anything that you're trying to do on your farm to help you get through these hard times? Raise his custom rates. So we're taking on a little bit more manure work this fall, which thank God, we're fortunate enough. We can do that.

pinch pennies man yeah gray like hell and i really don't you think we should take our fertilizer dealer probably out behind the barn and just just see how see how close to the end we can yeah get out of him get out of him we share the same fertilizer dealer so i'm down for that maybe we could just get him to buy some shit for us or take us out golfing or something i think it's about all we'm afraid that's all we're going to get because I don't think he has any control. No, he's going to tell us, he's going to tell us his costs or if he, he, I can already hear it. It's going to be, oh, man, you think you got it bad. I mean, my suppliers, oh, it's, I mean, I got to pay for it two weeks before I even get it. I don't even. I don't even know what it's going to be. I mean, you're lucky I'm even in here.

You're lucky I'm even in business. I should, we just, we, we're almost going to quit last week. I, I asked him about another product. It's not something they do, but it's something I'd like to do. and he's like, well, I was going to do that, but I got to build a whole other shed to store it in. You tell him it doesn't appear that you have any trouble doing that? You build sheds every year. Yeah. Oh, that's just to put your toys in.

Sorry. Dude, their nitrogen. We're kind of banging on him now. Do you hear about their nitrogen storage thing? It busted a hole and. Yep. Heck of a deal. Spent a whole pile of money on that.

And then last year, nobody even knew if anybody was going to use a liquid nitrogen. Yeah, I didn't know if they were going to have it. It's not easy work either. We give them a hard time, but we need them. They're good guys to deal with. Yeah, as far as, I don't know, man, enjoy the little things. Yeah. Mm-hmm.

This next coming five years, whatever it's going to take, enjoy the little things. Like, if you think you're Republican or your Democrats going to solve it for you, yeah. Not going to happen. You better start investigating who they are and what they're all about. Mm-hmm. And that'll be at least to read up on.

some history. Read up on your history. Know what the hell has happened before. But I mean, if you don't know God, find him. Pray a lot, believe in him. And know that things could go real bad. Yep. And people might start starving to death. I don't think it'll start here. Yep. Well, that's like Shea said. He's like, I know how, I know how to find my food. Yeah. He's like, you know, I know how to grow my food. I know how to grow my food. I know how to feed my family but if you guys don't think you need us knock yourself out yeah cornmeal was going to get old after a while it will yeah salted pork and cornmeal yeah well that's just it like i got two freezers full of plenty of meat yeah my in-laws do cattle and we do hogs do hogs so i got all the food groups

covered yep um but if we don't have any damn power yeah okay yep then we're down to get those I have to open up the door to the hog barn. Just get some fence built. Try to go that route if the electricity goes out. Yeah, the green weenies like they never drove through the country in the 80s and saw everybody's cargo where. After a rainstorm. Yeah, as soon as you get a two-inch rain, you're done hauling manure for the year.

Yep. And just went right down the damn creek. Oh, it's, yeah, I mean, that, those arguments are just, it all comes down to scale. I mean, all the stuff that we get dinged about from people that want to grow, they want to go down this road that ag should be much more diversified and smaller and, you know, pasture raise this. That's all fine, but you cannot feed a civilization. You cannot do it at scale.

And you want to. And you guys are a great example. We're a great example. Just about everybody that owns a damned hog barn here is a great example of a large factory farm. Yeah. supporting hundreds of family farms. Even the people that don't have a hog barn maybe work for them. Yep.

Or they sell grain to them. Our grain basis around here now is phenomenal. Yes. Because we've got so many buyers here. And that's going to get a lot of us through this. Well, our town. And then all the economic shit show that we're. Our county.

Doing. Our county. You can talk economic development. And we've talked about this before. but our county would not have our roads would be would not be paved if it wasn't for all of the animal agriculture that is done in our county it it is the biggest financial uh driver in in our county absolutely it is and like you said it it also it enhances the profitability of all the other parts of ag the grain the grain side of it is enhanced for having that ag that animal agriculture

Mm-hmm. So anyway. Well, I guess we kind of went down a tangent there a little bit of doom and gloom, but let's get into some of the things that excite you in the next five years when it comes to ag. What excite you when it comes to ag coming up? So I am excited. So we just shat all over science and technology, well, kind of ish. You know, we can science the shit out of everything. But I do see a lot of promise in technology.

We just put that harvest lab on our manure bar, which is another reason. I'm not spending money for the next five years. Yep. We've spent a lot the last two years. But, I mean, that'll tell us what we're getting out of our manure. I don't know if you guys have covered this before with your... Just a little bit. So, explain how this works because every fall, we drag line our manure.

David, David comes, and he's got a drag line where we pump the manure straight from the bar, from the barn to his tool bar, and it goes straight on the ground, which is awesome. because we don't have all, we don't have that tank traffic and we're not driving up and down the road and it's just a lot more efficient. We get it done a lot faster. But the rate, you basically set a set rate. We're going to say we're going to put on 4,000 gallons the acre or whatever our manure management plan is based on what our crop yield history has been. But your manure, as you're pumping it out of that barn, it varies. The nutrient value. The nutrient value. you varies a lot. And so explain what you've done that you've changed. So as TORC was saying,

you got three major nutrients in the manure that you're really concerned about, the N, the P and the K. And as you're going down through the levels of the pit, there's basically three different stratification levels that they've noticed with this harvest lab machine. But you have different levels of all three of those elements in P and K. You got typically more in at the top and more P&K at the bottom. That's usually held in your solids. However, the stuff at the top is more of your like ammonium nitrate, which loves to vanish right away,

and then you get more actual nitrates that stick around in the bottom. But what this machine does is it will show us live the amount of NP and K that we're getting per thousand gallons of manure. So that's how we know how much we put or that's how we determine what to put on is our application rate via the DNR is based in thousands of gallons per acre. So we can either go up to your limit with the amount and just go full amount. And then it just tells you and it maps on your field. So on this acre, you got 220 pounds of N, 180 pounds of K and 180 pounds. pounds of p.

Yep. So then you can take that information and then go back and determine how many gallons. And determine how much if you can variable rate your side dressing or your end your PK later. Yep. So that's basically how that's going to work for us. I was talking to said fertilizer chemical dealer. Yep. And he told me that, well, yeah, you get your manure done and give me our maps that we make.

will adjust our rate of P&K for what they apply for what they apply this fall yep the issue is going to be am i going to get it all done and will they have time to get it on before yeah snow flies but i i suppose they can do it next spring too but yeah well if nothing else one nice thing about it is that if you know what we're getting now we never knew that before that's exactly and that's and that's what i had before is we have like we have three barns that one on one on one field last year and you know you dip in i think you guys have done the video on yep on youtube you're taking your manure sample but all three barns are different and then you know that all three pits change as you pump and then when you go to side dress again next spring or do your

nitrogen well you don't know what's where for nitrogen yep that's exactly right limiting factor or not Yep. So, I mean, that's, so that's a pretty exciting thing that I'm excited to get going on this fall. Did you see us in the furrow? No, I didn't see it there. The middle fold out where they have the advertisement. Really? They got a picture of our bar there. Really?

All you can see is basically the little box, the top of our bar, and then our two feed bins in the background. Do you get the residuals off that? No. Yeah. We had a field day at our place where John Deere came out and Gillespie. And our wannabe politician was there. Yes, right. She.

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Again, I got to spend money to make money, but cost savings. And then if I want to, if I want to fully implement it and go all the way with my nitrogen application, I'm going to have to variable rate and I don't have anything to variable rate. And the borrowers I rent don't variable rate. So, nope, that's right. So, I mean, we're a few years off there, but I'll be glad to know what I got, where I got it.

And I think I can start saving on P&K now. Yeah. Well, what comes to nitrogen, you're not going to be able to afford to buy any extra nitrogen anyway. So you don't need to variable rate it. Which is a real kick because I think, So I had about five extra acres of nitrogen when I sidedressed. Yeah.

And I was put on 50 pounds side dressing. So I had to go back over it. And that is the greenest, nicest looking best corn. And I'm afraid my results after a dry year are going to be, I have 500 pounds of nitrogen. Yep. I mean, that's, I think you're right. I mean, that's true.

I mean, I've seen it because I've had up, up here where I had to go back and fill when I was side dressing. So I just turned around and went right back down the row. And when you pull in and take the ends off, it's like, wow, $298. This is going to be great. Torque's going to love this year. Yeah. And yeah, because it got an extra 100 pounds of nitrogen on it.

Yeah. But so there's that. We've already implemented this with our drag hose system. can you guys do a do a nice little what do you call it computer generation oh yeah yeah yeah

simulation later of how we used to do it yeah so anyway we used to go at an angle 45 degree but on our flat and square stuff I'm trying to I'd want to get you guys figured out because you would love it I know we want to do it here we'll just cut can we just cut off some of those corners and just put them in hay well shrink your fields well Sawyer's girlfriend wants a horse real bad so you know

in a perfect world we'll just take those spots we can't do it we'll just make that into alfalfa and just bail hay on it you're not man enough you're not horse enough or i don't know what i am but i know that she said she's going to do bulk of the work and i'm not going to have to do much and if she's going to pay for it have at it bulk bulk of the work yeah but anyway so We used to have to go at an angle with this drag hose, but we figured out a way we can go with the rows. And now we invested in RTK four years ago, three years ago. And then last year we invested in implement guidance.

So all of our land last year, we did manure in furrow with a dragline system. So I went back this spring, and I know tilled right into that. So I'm interested to see the results. I did have 24 rows on one of my fields where I worked the outside pass with the field colvator and I clicked on the one I was supposed to be on but when I got to where I could see the tracks from the manure bar I realized I was off 15 inches. Oh, you're right in the middle. So I quick shifted it and you could see up until like V7.

right to the road. What was what was in it and what wasn't in it. Yeah. I believe that. It's, I don't know. To me, I, I just think we're going to get more out of our nutrients. Yeah.

Oh, I think we have to. Absolutely. Yeah. And in another, I mean, going forward for us in the future, I would even want to side dress with manure if I could. Yes.

I agree. And I think we're going to get to the point where we're going to find out, as we find out, this goes back to when we were talking to Russ. There's a lot in that manure that we're not that we're not accounting for. A lot of the micro nutrients that are in that that we don't even worry about.

That we could activate. Maybe a bio cow activates that and we're not sure how. Yeah, we don't know. Yeah, I would totally agree with that too. Yep. But I think we're going to get better because I think we're going to have to. Because I think commercial fertilizers is just going to keep going.

up. I mean, and to me, so to me, like, we can do the carbon credits or we can just level the playing field and let's all pay 10% flat tax, just be done with it. We all, we all know what we're going to pay is going to be 10%. Yep. And then we are free to invest in what we want to invest in. I mean, the tax code now is so jacked up that if we would have to get rid of. We just hired. We just hired. We're just going to hire these 87,000 agents. They'd have to turn around and get rid of them. You're going to put them people bought on the street, David. If we make a profit, we've got to quick go pay down loans or spend money on something.

Yep. Because we can't make a profit. Right. You'll end up paying. You'll end up having an IRS agent showing up your door on the $300,000. $300,000 in taxes. A Glock on his hip. Because they're armed for whatever reason.

Yeah. They're buying it up. Yeah. Well, David's armed. Yeah, I know he's armed. I brought. We've had a bit of a dry year here. I don't if you guys have heard about that,

but I told Tork and Sawyer this was a rain event in Washington County this summer. Just a nice little squirt. Just a nice little squirt. I thought maybe you had vodka in that. Yeah, I did too. Honestly, when you shut up and said I brought, what did you say I got the rainmaker or something? I was like, I was like, wow, are we going to do some shots with this thing?

Unity shots out of this. I'm not, I'm not into vodka. That supports Russia and I'm pro-Ukraine. Tequila? Yeah, I'd do some tequila. I prefer the Kentucky stuff. Yeah, there you go. Yeah, there you go.

If it was a little later, we would do pre-harvest. No, I think we should. Kentucky and Scotland, those are my two. There you go. Favorites. So we're getting closer to the end here. It's been a good talk so far. But with all this uncertainty coming and then some of the things that excites you,

what drives you to keep going, even though we're headed towards a hard and uncertain times. What drives you to stay a farmer and just keep going? The motivation is lacking on certain days. Yes. Especially like this fall with, I don't know what's out there.

We're going to be surprised in good ways and bad ways, both. I mean, we're going to say, how did it do that? Yep. And we're going to say, wow, that's kind of what I expected. So the motivation this fall has been very low. um yeah the political events and all the things that happened with covid and just the kind of shit that they're putting on this is it knocks you down quite a bit when things are broken and it takes money to fix them that knocks you down but i love the challenge um i love the abuse um no i just

i believe that we are working for something here yeah we are you are working for our future. I'm working for my kids and my wife. And it's... I'm working based on, you know, what my family has done in the past. And I want to see that continue. Legacy.

And at the end of the day, it's still a damn good life. Yeah. There's a lot of negative shit sometimes. But yeah, I mean, at the end of the day, you're feeding people, you're giving some people a need. You're giving people.

giving people a need. Yeah. Helping in a massive way. Yeah, I told you about the other jobs I had, you know, the plumbing and then all steel and now farming. I mean, in all of them, shit, all rolls downhill. Yep. So it's all.

Now you've just moved to the bottom where you catch it all. It's the same every way, yeah. What do you do for fun? Oh, geez. I like to, so the kids are getting into sports, so I've been helping kind of coach that a little bit. Are they soccer age, Little League? Yeah.

Ainsley is in middle school now, and she's been doing softball. She's done all the soccer. I don't think she was into that, but she's still in softball, and she's in band. So I don't have much on hands with her as far as that goes. But Dawson is seven now, and he's getting into baseball, and he was in soccer. So, yeah, I'm kind of helping coaching the 8-U team there next year.

Nice. And Drew's just kind of getting in on that. So, yeah, I mean, you know, spend time with the kids. They love fishing. Are you a state fair goers? We are. In the last two years, we went on pretty substantial camping trips. We went to South Dakota last year, which was a fantastic time.

and then we went to the Smoky Mountains this year. Yeah, how was that? It was good. Those bastards get rain every fucking day, though. Yep. That's why all those TikTok videos, there's always that fog rolling through the low places, and they don't tell you it's because it just finished rain in like an hour before that.

Yeah, so we got rain on every day down there, and I'm watching their, well, I kind of gave up watching the radar and looking at the weather around here because it don't matter anymore. It just forked every time. So anyway, but yeah, we did that for, so we love camping for vacation. We have done the state fair. We don't camp the whole time if we do. Dad'll go up in camp and he usually spends four or five days there.

We'll go up and spend maybe two, but we just got back from spending a fat fortune in Tennessee. Yeah, so you weren't much. We were war out and just didn't really want to go to the state fair this year. but yeah we do like four kids are in four age so we're in all that four age stuff um we do the county fair basically all week i have been known to enjoy the spirits and the finer alcoholic beverages of life so i kind of get into that every now and then too yep um who yeah you can smell it rolling off i don't know what sawyer's got soyers got going there my flow tray so that's a good choice that is a good

That's a good choice. I went with some buddies down on the bourbon trail. Did you? Last summer, which brought up the whole argument of, well, aren't you getting the vaccine? I was like, why am I getting the vaccine? I've got to- purifying my system right now. Yeah, I got 100% chance of surviving if I get the virus. Yeah. So where all did you go when you did the bourbon trail? The bourbon trail? We were stationed out of Louisville. Yep. We stayed at the COA there. I took our camper down.

me and four buddies but we went to Buffalo Trace we really went down because there's a maker's mark deal you can get in on the you can buy a barrel or whatever it's called be an ambassador I think is what it is so we were going down for that so we got a tour

there they went to Buffalo Trace Wild Turkey damn a lot of good ones quite a few of them but they were still they were still COVID style so we didn't get the whole experience.

And to do it like, well, we were talking to a couple that was there. And they're like, yeah, just, I mean, do a tour and one, maybe two of them and maybe do a couple different kinds of tours. But they're like, once you've seen one, don't go to the rest of them. Just go to the others and check out the gift shop and do some tasting. Yeah, because it's similar. They're all similar. The thing that surprises me the most or has surprised me the most when I kind of, kind of got interested in in bourbon and whiskey and that kind of happened during

COVID when you have plenty of time you're not going anywhere else to sit around and sample stuff and check rolling in and read up on it but you take like Buffalo Trace they make they make like how many bourbons they make they make they make weller they make Pappy Van Winkle then they make all of their stuff and And did they make E.H. Taylor, too? I think so. They make all those. You just don't realize how much consolidation there really is.

Yeah, that was, okay. And yeah, we went there. We went to Buffalo Trade. I think that was it. But I got a bottle with E.H. Taylor. Yeah. That was the place to get it. And I haven't touched it yet.

Yeah. Well, no, because you kind of like, you're like, well, I probably shouldn't just tap into this because it's Thursday night. I could probably sell it now and buy like 10 other bottles or something else. Yeah. That's right. That's right. Well, I got, I poured you all a little shot.

I think it's a shot, but I think we should do a harvest. What is it like? Is that get you? It's enough. Will that go down the pipe? It's enough. It'll warm the cockles. Yeah.

I think it is a little early, but I think it's, we should do this. It's afternoon somewhere. Yeah, it's getting there. It's five o'clock somewhere. We start this, I think this is fitting to how harvest is probably going to go. Have you guys? So I was at the, the winter show in Des Moines last year. Yeah. You can send a distiller somewhere in western Iowa like a tote full of your corn and they'll make you whiskey.

No kid. Oh, that's cool. For a substantial fee. Oh, yeah. But they will make whiskey out of your corn and you can, like you can. Custom bottle and stuff too. I think you can label it like your farm or something like that? No kidding.

That would be sweet. We got to look into that. Yeah, well, we'll start with bourbon and then by the time harvest is over, what will you bring? No, I was thinking more like with enough stuff breaks, we're probably down to like PBR or. Be down to Keith Stone. Yeah, Keystone, because it's all we, it's all we could afford. If it goes really good, we'll break open that bottle that you've been sitting on. What was it called?

Taylor? No. Blanton's. Well, or that blue run. Or if somebody sends me a bottle of Brulotti black art, which isn't going to happen, but I'd love to have a bottle of that. I just keep throwing it out there. Oh, you're throwing that out to your... People like the bourbon talk. I don't know. They love it. So maybe somebody will send us a bottle someday. We'll hang it up and put your name on it. We just, we got to be careful not to go down the line of the bourbon bros. Like, we don't want to be too pretentious. Yeah, no. No pinkies up for this. Yeah. We got to drink our bushlights and our mill lights ever now. Yeah, that's right. I don't have one of those, you know, where I roll it around and that's all kind of lost on me. I'm kind of like, well,

this tastes good or this is like, whoa. So this is Buffalo Trace that I poured and we're going to do a unity shop before harvest because it's coming up. What do you think, David, two weeks? What do you think? I think maybe two weeks, two weeks away, and this is what's going to kick it off. How much do you want to spend on drying? Not very much. Not much.

Because I can come start here and get you all done. You like that, wouldn't you? You always do that, though. You're always like, well, my stuff's, I think, I don't think I'm quite ready. I was, honestly, I stopped and walked in yours. Your seams drier than mine. I think we could go there. So if we're going to start in two weeks,

that means I have 13 days before I have to grease the hawker and see whether the tires hold air on the wagons or not. When you farm and you do a maintenance shit, you never know how long. Yeah. It could take you to grease one fucking auger. Oh. It might take you 13 days to grease.

It could. In all my case, it totally could. It's either procrastination or shit's just broker than it was supposed to be. Gosh, it was fine when we took that last look out. Do you remember that sheer pin breaking? I don't remember that one day.

It'll be one grease circuit at a time. It took. All right. Go back to the house. Are you guys fully prepared to break that bastard again? Yeah, I think so. We got pretty good last year. Nothing broke last year.

I'm the one that broke it. Last year? I don't think anything broke last year. No, it did. Clear at the end. All the way to the end. Oh, shit. All the way to the end.

Getting Rami trying to jamming in, huh? Is that the night it was raining the whole damn time? And I had no clue it was raining the whole damn time? Yeah, I think it was. and I think it's one of them things that you're I think it just you run it you start and stop it enough it's just gonna it's sooner or later you're gonna share that bowl doesn't matter you're just going to yeah so all right well let's take this shot what do you say all right you got any toast got any toast Dave you got anything I got any you got any good toast so I got oh boy here we are you getting a list

no I just got a thing it wasn't I heard this a couple weeks ago and I I I had I noticed in your notes you're talking about me being a mechanic or jack of all trades or something but you know the jack of all trade thing yes do you know the full thing i do i didn't but i saw that a jack of all trades is a master of none but oftentimes better than a master of one that's right that is cheers to that shit harvest 20 22 here we come here we let's wish it a let's let's let's let's should a good one boys all right all right cheers to that here's like water stuff yeah we'll have to afterwards come back and talk about how good or bad it went if you can't get enough of david he's usually always on our our youtube videos on this will do farm showing you what the hell's going down

in the combine or the planer so if you want to check out more david this year yeah go over tdf subscribe and you'll probably see him this harvest when we get shit done He'll give you his wisdom on why I shouldn't plant or why I should plant my fields a different direction because he barely has time to get going because the roads are so short. Yeah. Or my grain cart or my wagon driving or where are we? Like where are they? Why is nobody coming down? Where is he?

We may investigate your planting arrangement more if you want to do this. Yes. With the road. I think I'd be fine with that. Like I was saying, you may have to get. you may get a couple of horses so we've got to cut some corners off.

I'm starting when one first. Drive at the end of that hundred up there. You know, putting one on the corner and playing it the other way. Yeah. And they think that they got to do a study because, you know, they have the site

distance thing. But since it's so flat there. And it's on the curve. Yeah. It might have to be back a little bit. I'll just call horror and see if I can just, we can just go straight, just take off the corner there. That would probably work for them.

Get yourself a, uh, oh, easement. Yeah. Absolutely. Well, we don't need no stinking easement. You think we should wrap it up here, boys? Any final thoughts? So a couple things. Uh, first of all, we did a good job of promoting the bourbon reviews.

So next week, there'll be a bourbon review. I don't know what we're going to pick. We'll grab a bottle of something. And, uh, two weeks, Claire Dunn. is going to be on. So check her out on Instagram if you don't know who she is. Or look her up on Apple Music or Spotify. She's got music on there. So she's going to talk about her story and then she's going to play for us a little bit. Yeah. So two weeks, that's coming. You guys, pay the fee. If you got any value,

share it out, pay the ticket to admission to watch or listen to the show. And thanks, David, for coming on. And we'll see you in two weeks. You bet. Thank you guys. Appreciate being here.