Barn Talk - From Hopper Mishap to Farm Advocate: 25 Years of Wisdom on Surviving Farming's Hidden Dangers

Episode Date: August 25, 2025

Welcome back to Barn Talk! In this episode, Sawyer and Tork welcome a very special guest—Jeff Crotwell from Easter Seals Wisconsin’s Farm Program. Jeff’s story starts on a dairy farm in southwest Wisconsin, where an accident changed his life at just 16 years old. Rather than letting it hold him back, Jeff turned his experience into an opportunity to help others in the agricultural community. He now dedicates his work to supporting farmers who have suffered injuries or face physical challenges, helping them adapt so they can stay on the land and keep farming. In this heartfelt episode, Jeff shares what it was like to grow up farming the hard way, how farm life can sometimes make us numb to everyday dangers, and the split-second decisions that can alter the course of a life. The conversation dives deep into farm safety, real-life stories of farm accidents, the challenges (and pride) of asking for help, and all the meaningful work the Easter Seals Wisconsin Farm Program does to get farmers back in the game. Whether you’ve ever loaded square bales in a stifling haymow, climbed a grain bin in the dead of winter, or just love a great story of perseverance and giving back, this episode will remind you why community matters—and why no farmer should have to face hardships alone. Tune in for inspiration, practical information, and more than a few laughs along the way. Shop Farmer Grade 👇🏻 https://farmergrade.com/  SUBSCRIBE TO THE PODCAST ➱ https://bit.ly/3a7r3nR   SUBSCRIBE TO THIS’LL DO FARM ➱ https://bit.ly/2X8g45c  LISTEN ON: SPOTIFY ➱ https://open.spotify.com/show/3icVr4KWq4eUDl7Oy60YMY  APPLE ➱ https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/barn-talk/id1574395049 Follow Behind The Scenes👇🏻 ● This’ll Do Farm Instagram ➱ https://bit.ly/30KPBNk   ● Barn Talk TikTok ➱ https://bit.ly/3qciekS   ● Sawyer’s Instagram  ➱ https://bit.ly/3BtX0n4   ● Tork’s Instagram ➱ https://bit.ly/3LGZJxS     00:00 Grow Our Podcast: Share & Review 08:20 First Job Realization 15:03 Supporting Iowa Corn Checkoff 16:48 Unexpected Farm Accident Insight 22:05 "Construction, Accessibility, and Golf" 30:52 Silage Choppers and Farm Safety 35:59 Farm Support and Guidance 38:37 Individualized Farm Equipment Solutions 43:41 "Decreasing Inheritance Donations Challenge Nonprofits" 49:21 "Support Easter Seals Wisconsin" 55:32 Unauthorized Bin Lid Incident 59:00 Lessons from CEO and Dad 01:03:48 "Seek Help; Get Involved" ------------------------------- ⚠NO FINANCIAL ADVICE / DISCLAIMER⚠  The Information discussed and shared on Barn Talk is provided for educational, informational, and entertainment purposes only, without any express or implied warranty of any kind, including warranties of accuracy, completeness, or success for any particular purpose. The Information contained in or provided from or through this podcast is not intended to be and does not constitute financial advice, investment advice, trading advice, or any other advice. The Information on this podcast and provided from or through our content is general in nature and is not specific to you, the user or anyone else. You should not make any decision, financial, investment, trading or otherwise, based on any of the information presented on this podcast without undertaking independent due diligence and consultation with a professional, professional broker or financial advisory. Understand that you are using any and all Information available on or through this website at your own risk. RISK STATEMENT– The trading of Bitcoins, alternative cryptocurrencies, NFTs, individual stocks, etc. has potential rewards, and it also has potential risks involved. Trading may not be suitable for all peo... Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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and without any further ado, let's get into it. Well, we're live. So Jeff Crowell, thanks for stopping by the barn today. We appreciate you coming. Welcome to Barn Talk. Awesome. Thanks for having me. Yeah, of course. First things first, how do people find out what you're up to and what organization you're a part of? Yeah, I work with Easter Seals, Wisconsin. We have a website.

The Farm Program has a website so people can go on the website. It has my contact information, all of our staff's information, and they can find up what we're up to. We have a couple of YouTube videos that they can see what we do as well. What's the site? Do you know? Eastersealswisconsin.com. That's sweet. Nice.

So you grew up. You're recovering dairy farmer. I like that. So tell us about growing up in Wisconsin and the farm you grew up on and give us a little background. Yeah, you bet I grew up in southwest Wisconsin on a dairy farm, typical family farm. mom, dad, my about three siblings. We milked about 60 cows in a stanchion barn. We did everything the hard way.

I was on the farm until I was 18, and I was like, well, this, I get something different. This isn't fun. So I didn't stay on the farm. I left the farm and pursued work in the health care field. But mom and dad milked until about 2005. and like many farmers turn it over to a to a beef operation raising, buying feeder cattle, fattening them out, mostly Angus, Black Angus. And it's currently, after my dad passed, it's currently being rented out.

So my mom lives there. Neighboring farmers rented out. They have a beautiful automatic robotic milking facility. And they rent it out and good friends take care of the farms. Yeah, you look at that and go, man. Where was that when I was a kid? Right. Right.

Yeah, that would have been nice. What was your, what was your favorite chore and least favorite chore as a kid? Oh, good Lord. Well, I mean, least favorite by far, we bailed a million small square bales, it feels like. And we packed the haymow full and we pack the rented barn haymall full. Then we had a little dish in here and there. We pack that full. And just seemed like that's all we did all summer.

And that was by far the least favorite. It felt like it was a million degrees in the haymall favorite. I don't know. You know, I like the tractor work, I guess. Yeah, yeah. That was nice. Halled bale or loaded bails all summer and then hauled bails all winter. Right, right, yeah.

So when you started, when you started feeding, well, you're always feeding hay. But so did you have to go haul it back from the furthest away rented sheds first? Is that how you got it worked? I think so, yeah, that sounds right. Yeah. And we had maybe cattle dispersed evenly at the shed location. So some of that wasn't quite so bad, I guess. But yeah, you haul it once to take it off the wagon, haul another time to stack it, haul it to feed it.

You haul the same bail four or five times. Yeah. So you're the youngest, middle or oldest? I'm the oldest, too. I'm the oldest. Okay. So the responsibility fell on you. You had to be the.

my siblings would be upset if we shared it pretty equally we're all pretty close in age so my sister's one year younger my brother's a year younger than her and then five years later we had all my other brothers so yeah that's awesome did you uh did you have forks like that to when you were unloading bales or did you have a conveyor that you had to carry him carry them all the way to the back we had to carry him all the way of the back yeah the hay cradle there is still a hay cradle in the barn even though we haven't put a small square bail in there for 20 or so years. But yeah, I tell the story that, you know, you don't know what you don't know. And like just talking about you said you did everything the hard way.

But when you're a kid, you don't know any better. So it's not so bad. It's ignorance is bliss because you didn't know. And for us here, yeah, we had a set of forks where you'd fork them off the wagon. And then when they came in, you could drop them wherever you wanted. and that job still wasn't any fun. But the first time the neighbor hired me to help bail when I was probably maybe 12 years old or so. And some of my friends that I grew up with, you know, we went bailed.

And we go to the barn and I go up in the hay mow and hotter than Blaze's Day, you know. And I'm just standing up there. And one of my friends is like, what are you doing? I'm like, well, I'm just waiting for the hay to come. And they're like, you've got to get it off the elevator. and that was when I was like, wait, what? Because I was waiting for it to come over and drop. And then I realized, oh, you actually had it better than you thought you did.

And I was like, man, this sucks. And I never really enjoyed helping other people after that. But I did have to do that quite a bit. So, yeah, you know, that's the great thing about, I think we were talking about that with Larson's a little bit, is kids don't realize whether times are good or times are bad because the parents usually do a good job of insulating you from that. And the work is just work. And you don't find out later whether or not you had it good or whether it was the hard way. And so, I mean, I guess that's better. It's better to not know. But so you had

when you're so growing up you're your you know 12 13 14 years old what did you think that your plans were like when you thought about what you're going to do when you grow up what what were your thoughts i know my uh i know my dad wanted me to stay on the farm and and things but um like i said just i didn't uh i didn't know uh what else was out there yeah and uh you know the grass isn't always greener either but right i was like Well, you know, get up early, milk cows, feed cows, clean up after cows, milk cows again, go to bed, do it all over again. That was really fun at 14, 15.

And, you know, I just, I don't know, I just wanted to do something. You just wanted to get off the farm. I just wanted to get off the farm. All of my, you know, no one, no one did stay and things. But, you know, looking back, it was, there was definitely a lot of positives to it. And it taught me, hard work taught, taught me a lot of stuff. But, yeah. But you had an experience that kind of changed your trajectory a little bit.

You want to talk about that? Yeah, sure. So at 16 years old, we had a high moisture corn silo. The corn flew into a roller mill, which cracked it up, and so the cows got the most nutrition from it. And our roller mill, if you didn't clean out the hopper before shutting it off, It would, as powerful as that thing was, it would plug in one start out the next time. So I had cleaned it out maybe a million times before, every time before we shut it off.

I just kind of took my hand and cleaned out the hopper area and whisked the corn down into the rollers. And one morning, maybe about 5 o'clock in the morning early, I don't know what happened, but I got a little too close and it zipped, caught the glove and zip my right hand right into the rollers and smash. it was stuck there. Yeah. I said, it happened so fast. Were you by yourself?

My dad, my mom, and my sister were all, we were all feeding cows, yeah. Oh, so luckily. Luck, oh, thank God, right. Yeah, they were all there. And I think it was, I think it was my sister who, you know, a few seconds later, heard something not being right and came into the feed room and one got my dad shortly after. Okay. Okay. So they get, so first they got to get your hand out because it's wedged.

Right. And then probably wrap somebody's shirt around it and head for the hospital. Right. It didn't, didn't hurt at all. I had just in a state of shock, didn't know what happened. Yeah. Didn't even know if it was bad, good. I mean, obviously it wasn't good. But my dad took a pipe wrench and rolled the rollers back out. And I was like, Carl, let's take a look. And I took my glove off. and it was, I'll never forget it, November 11th, 1893.

Yeah. I heard the crystals hitting the floor. Well, it was my bone chips. They were just, it was just brum. Mush, right? And my mom also vividly was like, all right, let's go. And took me in the house. She, we were in the car before I knew.

And I think the normal drive was about 30 minutes to dodge, I think she made it about 12. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. so and I mean farm accidents they happen and I'm just a statistic in that way I guess and yeah how like how long of a process was the recovery of that and so was that your was that your like your like dominant hand for writing and brush your teeth and combing your hair and all

that totally yeah right hand it totally dominant hand yeah um when uh when it happened it was right before the basketball season. And like a lot of kids, I thought I was going to be good in basketball or I thought I was good at basketball. And so I missed that season. So that's why I really remember about, oh, man, this is terrible. But I went to University Hospital in Wisconsin. I was there for a couple weeks. A big part of the problem was that there was corn kind of embedded in the, in the injury site, and did the surgery to kind of clean the wound. They ended up amputating the two middle fingers. kind of were able to put back the pinky finger. My index finger, they were able to put back.

I lost the tip of that one. But all in all is about two weeks. A lot of what they call debriefing where they took the corn kernels out, and I'll never forget the pain of doing that. Yeah, I can bet. I think I talked to a therapist a couple years ago, and they're like, yeah, we don't do that anymore. We use kind of a different technique.

But in the mid-90s, it was, you know, to me it doesn't seem that long ago, but it was a process. Did it deal like that, did you have people that tell you that you were lucky, that it wasn't worse? You probably were like you didn't really, you didn't feel like you were lucky. At the time, no. I mean, it was, yeah, it was some. But in hindsight, yeah, I was very lucky that someone was there.

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Yeah. No, I wasn't fun. I mean, I got out of chores for a while, I guess, but yeah, that's not what I was. Yeah. not how I would want to do it. Yeah, so how did that shape just your, did that, I mean, what was the biggest lesson you learned from that? How has that kind of shaped your view on, on the world or just things? Like, what did it teach you? I mean, I knew it then, but just amazing how fast it happened.

And to this day, I couldn't even tell you what happened. I mean, I met with, I meet with a lot of farmers now and like, well, what the heck were you thinking? You know, you don't put your hand there. Well, I wasn't trying to put my hand. I just, you just did it and you. Hab it. it and by God you were going to get the job done and yeah um it's not like we were taught to be unsafe and um to respect machines and um all that stuff and uh it just how how fast and that rolling

mail doesn't care if it's corn or fingers or hands or whatever um and just so so fast that was a big one yeah i feel like as farmers you know you just as you get around equipment i mean it's not that you don't respect it, but you're just risk, not wrist tolerance, but you just become numb. You just kind of become numb to just like, oh, that's a pretty, that's a pretty small gap, but I still think I can make, I can wedge myself through there in the tractor. There's enough room there. I think I'll be right. I'm not going to hit anything.

And you do that enough. You're just like, you're like that with everything. Oh, I'll climb the grain bin. I've been doing, I've climbed the grain bin so many times before, you know. You just become numb to taking that. and you have to because you've got to get the job done. But yeah, that's something that I just realized was when I was younger. The more you would just do it, you'd just be like, oh, yeah, that's all right.

I can do it. That's fine, you know. So we have a, we have a neighbor kid that lives over here at the housing development, and he helps us some. And he's not full disclosure. We have not put him in any, we have not put him in any dangerous situations at all. I mean, we do. But it's funny because my wife has said to me, like, there's different things that I've had him do.

Oh, like, he hadn't helped us very long, and I had him use the skid loader. And I told him, like, you ever run one of these? He's like, no. And so, okay, well, hop in here, you know, and hop in there. And you know, you pull this and push this, it turns, and you do that the other way. And this is the bucket. And this is whatever. And I let him go.

And that night I went over. And my wife's like, did you let Jordan use the skid loader? And I said, yeah. And she's like, was he ever used one before? I'm like, no. And she's like, well, did you show him how everything works? And I'm like, yeah. She's like, how long?

I go, what do you mean how long? And she's like, well, did you like have him watch you do it? and then you do it and then have him do it i said no i just set him in there and told him what to do and then i you know she's like you you can't treat him like he's your own kid i got a thought about that for a minute and i think it's probably that way whether i don't think that's just farmers i think that's probably anybody that's grown up in an industry. Like if you were somebody that grew up and you had a construction business or a dirt moving business or whatever, from generation to generation, there are a lot of assumptions that are

made by parents to kids. And then those kids in turn, it's to your point. It isn't that you're, it's not that you are looking for danger or live dangerously. It's that you become so, uh, you become so used to being around. Well, and just doing stuff that's... That you really don't think about it until that second, that one split second decision that changes everything. Totally. And then you look at it and you go,

everybody around, you're like, well, what are you doing? What the hell are you thinking? Well, it's just hard. Yeah. Stick would have been a better idea in hindsight. As painfully obvious as it is, that's just what we did.

and that's what I did, yeah. Yeah. I wrecked my four-wheeler when I was like, I think 12, 12 years old. And same thing. I ruptured my spleen, how to go to the hospital, and I was there for a week and had to eat ice chips and stay in a bed for five days straight. And you're exactly right.

It's split-second decision. And it just all of a sudden, your four-wheeler's flipping. And you're like, it just happens so quickly, you know? Yeah. Can't prepare for something like that. It's crazy, but it does totally change things for you. Life,

there's no rewind ability. Yeah, I know. But so how did that, so how did you, how did you become involved in Easterseals? What, what did that experience

make you want to get involved in what you're doing today? Somewhat. So, you know, I went through a rehabilitative process with occupations. therapist and I thought that was kind of cool. Maybe I could do some occupational therapy and went to school for that and knew I kind of wanted to help people and my

one of my first jobs was I didn't like being in the hospital setting or rehab setting and being in a clinic all day. So I ended up working for this place. I did some construction type work for persons who needed help. So putting in like wheelchair ramps or handrails to make things more accessible for them, grab bars in the bathrooms, selling medical equipment to make their lives easier. And on the side, because I was into golf, I worked at a country club in Madison, Wisconsin. The president of the country club happened to be on the board at Easter Seals. And one day he just walked up, he's like, you know, what do you think? You know, you grew up on a farm, you got a farm accident, you have had a farm accident. You have a background in occupational

therapy. We're looking for a person in our farm program to go around to our farm program at Easter sales to visit farmers, try to help them, try to make things easier. I think you'd be good at doing that. And next thing I know, I applied and met with my boss who started taking me on our farms. And 18 years later, here I am. Yeah. Yeah. So it's kind of a wild story that way, but that's how the connection happened. I didn't truly seek to be involved. in the egg industry again, but, um, yeah. Life works in funny ways. Right.

So, uh, describe that program under Easter Seals. So Easter Seals is kind of like the overarching, uh, organization, but the program that you work with specifically is farm and what is that, what does that mean for and what's their scope? Right. Uh, your Easter Seals, Wisconsin serves to help individuals with disabilities, um, live fuller lives, more independence. Within that scope, we have the farm program. I manage the farm program.

Our goal is to simply make it so farmers can do their work easier, less difficulty, and continue to be able to farm. Okay. We are part of a program called Agrability. So Agarability has two partners. We're the partners at Easterseals that does the on-site farm work, and then we have University of Wisconsin Extension. that does the outreach and marketing of our program.

So they're the ones at Farm Tech Days and World Day Expo and things like that. Yep. So is Wisconsin, is it a unique program within Wisconsin or is there other states that have the same thing? Yep. So we serve all of Wisconsin. There are, I believe it's 22 other states throughout the country that also have a program similar to ours. So I'm an agorability project or something similar.

Iowa has a program that does a nice job helping their farmers in the Iowa state. What, um, The ride that steals the spotlight every time it hits the road, that's the Volkswagen Tiguan. Its sleek exterior makes a first impression you can't ignore. Step inside to find available full leather seats and wood accents. Under the hood, the available 201 turbocharged horsepower power engine gives it a fun to drive edge.

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How do people, well, first of all, you're probably working a little bit disadvantage because, one, it's farmers, so they aren't very good at reaching out for help, whether they need it or not. and two it's such a that's such a unique uh situation so how do you how do you connect with people uh how do people come to you i guess yeah farmers are incredibly uh private yep they don't like asking for help like you said um so we do we do a lot excuse me we do a lot of marketing yeah um ward of mouth is huge excuse me sorry So if a farmer received help from our program, he's our biggest ambassador and telling a lot of other farmers and speaking about the help that he received and saying, hey, it's worth it to do that. So we reach a lot of people that way, just word of mouth.

We've existed for about 30 years or so now. Wow. Helped about 3,500 farmers throughout the state of Wisconsin. So we have a big network of farmers that have helped us. with our program. I have to name, drop one name. Alan Coltenberg is a gentleman in the Madison area. He lost his arm as a result of an accident as a young child. And he's on our board now. And he has a lot of connections within the agriculture industry and does a nice job marketing our program for us. So yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What's, what's, is there an incident or something that you guys,

what's like the coolest story that you've, you've ever been a part of, you know, that was really just impactful. Yeah. Yeah. A lot of them kind of plund together. One of the most recent ones, and he's a YouTube story about him. John Mitchell's his name. He lives in Central Wisconsin.

Recently met John, but talking about Farmex, and he was chopping corn. And I believe the chopper head plugged or something to that effect. and he got out and again, like, if he had to do it over again, I'm sure he would do it much differently, obviously, but the cornhead was running. He slipped on a cornstalk or something like that, and kind of the worst thing imaginable fell into the chopper head. And lucky to be alive, he would tell you that too. But as a result of the accident, he lost his right arm and partially amputated his left leg in the same accident. and he was by himself and the things running and his brother's bringing the load and I'm sure he's

counting the seconds to to get there whatever but um he was stuck in there I'll get it wrong here but 20 or so minutes before his brother got there holding on and um so all the med flight stuff and you know the cut him out of there once they did find him and um you know he's got a he's a young guy he's in his 40s he's married with two little kids uh recently bought the property property and just trying to make a go of it like like everyone else. And when you have that type of accident, and he'll tell you like, where do you go from here,

you know, like am I going to build a farm again? Yeah. Am I going to, you know, what's my life going to be like, you know? And so I met John,

I think he had applied. His wife was doing a Google search, found our agency while he was in the hospital. Yep. He applied, which is very simple to do. And it really just started. with us doing an onsite kind of visit like hey let's just meet you face to face see what you got going on

um and um i was blown away by like his accident was like six months ago or something and um he already had a prosthesis for his arm but um you know just his desire he was going to do it he was going to farm is yeah there's no he was going to figure out a way but the main work piece work chore piece on this on the on his um beef farm was a skid steer yeah and as you know you need two good arms and often he did two good legs as well and he didn't he didn't have either um so um our work really works to find like a solution so he can do his work easier and what we ended up doing was um short story here um we worked with a vendor in the nearby um area that replumbed a skid steer so rather than having the two arms they replumbed the whole machine to be only on his sorry left side yep so he can drive it

forward backwards turn it twist it with just a left hand joystick control Yep. And then they put in electronic foot pedals for the bucket and boom. And it works it just, I mean, works beautifully for him. And, you know, he's a tough guy. He's doing his work, but just how emotionally it was and what that meant for him. Yeah, because, I mean, that's the difference between being independent and not being able to do squad. Yeah.

I joke that he probably drives the skits to church and stuff. I mean, it's just, he'll use the word game changer. And for me, I'm like, well, that's pretty cool. I got to help him with that. And we have a lot of partnerships that help get that done, including the funding to do it. But I'm like, yeah, that was pretty cool. This guy's farming as a result of the work that I do

and that our agency does. And so, yeah, that was pretty neat. So that one sticks with me again. It was recent. So really, really proud of that one. There's a bunch of others. But he's one that sticks out. And he's going to be a huge.

ambassador for us. He's been on new stories. Like I said, did a YouTube story. He'll speak at any kind of event he can. You know, so, yeah. I would imagine, I don't know if there's statistic on this, but the silage choppers got to be

I was going to say when we were talking about doing this, if there's one company and they're defunct, they got bought by Agco, but in our area if there's one company that should be sponsoring this, It should be new idea because when I was a kid, when I was a kid, you know, a lot more farms,

a lot smaller farms. And the number of guys that I knew growing up that had a unipicker that were missing a couple fingers from trying to grab because you would be driving it and the conveyor came right up beside you and guys would stand up and there'd be an ear and they would try to and it would catch them. Like, I don't know how many, I bet, yeah, when I think about that, I bet I, I knew as a child, you know, probably four or five people in the Washington County area that all had that same injury. And my dad would be like, well, yeah, unit picker. So, but I, that is just by nature a dangerous business that the silage choppers are. A lot of the farmers that we work

with are older. So back when they were picking corn was more of a thing. Yeah, I see a lot of farmers who are missing a digit or two. Yep. Just like I said earlier, it doesn't care. No, it doesn't. That's the thing. Yeah, that was a question I was going to ask you. What do you think is the most common incident that happens just to spread awareness to farmers

today, you know, that are out there, like, be mindful when you're doing this because this is the most common thing. Yeah. There's so, it's, it feels like I've seen them all, you know, like, um, like, um, But climbing, climbing, grain bins, climbing silos, sticks out a couple gentlemen,

just, I can think of just who had slipped. And fell off a grain bin and, you know, fractures or, you know, multiple fractures, things like that, really bad type accidents. But, you know, climbing type things, just some reason sticks out.

Not that I see them a lot, but a lot of skid steer, skid steer accidents, in terms of back. up and not having a backup camera or mirror and assuming it's going to be okay in terms of just accents you read about. Falls, falls are another big one getting on and off skid steers because there's,

or a front loaded front entry skid steer where they slip on a bucket where it's snow covered or ice covered or manure covered and the steel bucket doesn't, doesn't, there's not a lot to give to that. Yeah. Yep. And it's, I mean, I don't know how many times do you. I mean, you have a lot further to fall than I do, but I don't know how many times. Getting in and out of a skid loader is, I don't know how many times I've almost fallen.

I think I have fallen a couple of times, but it's been in the snow. Pigs aren't forgiven either. Pigs aren't forgiven either. Yeah, I mean, and that's the thing. You talk about how, you know, I think anybody that's involved in ag or in any, business where you're working with large equipment or you're doing any kind of construction. I mean, life can change on a dime. And I've told this story about, you know, we were loading hogs a couple years ago and I've never gotten knocked like off my feet like I did in that instant. And I was at the

top of the ramp going up into a pot and a pig turned. And when they look at you, I always say that's the thing about when you're loading pigs, they don't look at you, they don't look at you. But if you ever get a pig that turns and he looks at you, you're in trouble because that pig has decided that he's not going. And that pig turned and hit me and I flew off the top of the, and literally, it was one of those deals where as I was falling, I said to myself, I wonder if I'm going to be able to feel my feet.

because you're going to hit it's everything's frozen it's an aluminum trailer and when i hit i was like yeah this isn't going to be good but i was okay other than two days later i felt like i couldn't walk but that's a perfect situation where that could have ended a completely different way and it you just don't know you just don't know what could happen yeah um well i was going to ask so for a specific person that has a farm accident, where do you guys get involved? Is it on that side? So they go through, have the accident,

go to the hospital. If they need a prosthetic, they go do that on their own. And then you're just figuring out a way to, when they get that prosthetic or whatever, you're figuring out a way and a strategy to help them be able to farm again, essentially. Right.

Essentially. Yep. Yeah. Really just starts with them ultimately, just reaching out to us. And most often they get to the point we're like, all right, this is, this is not working very well here. Or I'm really having to, I got to decide, am I going to keep doing this?

Or, you know, accept, accept some help or have someone come. And they're really, they're really appreciative of just a person willing to come to their farm and really kind of give a damn more or less and hear their story and seeing what they're, what they're going through and having an next new set of eyes on it. And I don't, I don't know everything about it. and farms and stuff like that, but just I've been on enough to know what's worked for some persons and recommend some solutions. It doesn't always need to be a person that's had an accident. You know, maybe they melt cows in a barn for, and their knees are bad.

And they've added multiple amount of joint replacement surgeries or their back is bad. And I just want to figure out a way to make it easier. And to make, as you know, changes on a farm too. It's expensive. So, you know, what are some possibilities for funding to help put that stuff into place for them so they can work easier, but it really just kind of starts there with them making the call. Usually we can get out within shortly week or so and visit them. So speaking of funding, how, because obviously it's not cheap, and I would guess that as the size of equipment increases and the complexity of equipment

increases, the cost of making things accessible is more expensive. Where do you guys find funding? We work with vocational rehabilitation in our state, who's a good supporter of ours, and advocate for the farmer to receive help. They work with persons with disabilities, help them be able to continue their job, whether it's farming, whether it's manufacturing, all types of job types. So that's who we get a lot of our funding from. So is that all donations? Is there is there grants that they get? I mean, how? They get, they get federal funding to, to do the work that they do.

And I don't know the number, but it's a fair amount to, yeah, to put, put things in place for persons to work easier. So is it a check, is it getting with, with the event of where we're headed in ag, as far as how the equipment is made, the size of the equipment and the complexity, Does that make your job harder or is it pretty consistent? Like most farmers, when I see an estimate on what things cost, there's a little bit of a fall out of my chair kind of things. But, you know, most of the persons of work are kind of single family farms.

So it's toned down maybe, if you will, and compared to some of the big type equipment costs. But, you know, putting like rubber mats on a walkway. So they're standing on, have some cushion versus. on the concrete. Things like that are not a deal breaker type costs, but it is it is more complex. You know, we, you know, it's really individualized. So whatever the person needs, whether it's 10,000 bucks or the example I gave or replumb the skids here, he traded in his. It was still 60 grand. And that's kind of our ballpark of what it cost. Yeah. As ag has changed,

has it made what you guys do harder? How have you seen it change as you've been there for, you said 13 years or 17 years? 18 years. When it first started, I worked with a lot of farmers milking cows in a stanchion barn. Yep. I don't see too many of anymore.

Having said that, I'm a little surprised how some people live, yeah. I met with a farmer a couple weeks ago that was still milking and his stanchion barn he was milking with buckets he didn't even have the automation and that's just how how he did it and he yes he was you know they they made a go of it and you know lived off the farm and had a garden and all that other stuff and yeah that's a rarity today yeah yeah so well yeah less less stanchin barn milking um you know just driving through um Wisconsin whatever a lot of large dairy facilities and a lot of um bigger facilities that we don't maybe work with as much as um as we

but do you get do you get any um situations where you have because obviously as farms have grown now then today we have a lot more situation to where it might be a family farm but they may have a lot of people working for them that are employees do you get into situations where you have somebody that has an employee that has an accident and then you're they're actually modifying there they want to modify their workspace to accommodate that person Yep, absolutely. Yep. Work with a number of employees who have had an accident or have some sort of disability and the farm owner just wants to make it easier for them. They're part of the family too and a lot of situations. Like, cool, thanks for the, you know, they're thankful for the advice and the thoughts and the recommendation on what to do and they'll just take care of it on their own. So, you know, most are the owner-operator that we're working with. But yeah, certainly some employees as well.

so are you are you going out there and meeting with farmers yourself or do you guys have people i guess have reps go out there and do that because i just think about and and and talking about that are there a lot of the people that do go out to these farms are they like are they like the ambassadors you're talking about where they went through something similar like you you did because i'm sure when you talk to a farmer they receive it a whole different way because you've been through something like that versus somebody that has no idea what that's like, you know. Right.

Yeah, my farm accident gives me a level of street credit. Yeah, right. That's exactly what I was going to say, you know. Right. Yeah. I've met a number of farmers who have had the exact same thing happen with a roller mill and their hand looks very similar to mine. But all of our staff that visit the farms are in-house.

They're employees of Easter Seals. We have a mighty, mighty staff of four. So, yeah, we realize how big the state of Wisconsin is. Yeah. We've worked with farmers in all 72 counties and men from one end to the other to visit the farms. But our ambassadors are really just kind of marketing our program. If they, through their course of their work, encounter a farmer that could benefit from our help.

They're just referring them to us. But we do the actual visits ourselves, like I said. Is that program, the farm program, is that unique? Or does Easter Seals or does other organizations, organizations like did they do this same thing within the construction world or the Carpentery world I mean is it is it is there other because it obviously it's not the only industry that has issues like this although it is a little different in the fact that in the past anyway for the it's not as much today but

much more much more family based or small operator but base versus other industries. But I didn't know if it was unique to only farm or not. It's unique to farm. I'm not aware of anything within the construction field and things like that. Certainly, like you said, a number of accents happen there too. But with aggrability and our Easter sales farm programs, yeah, very unique, I think, to farms. And so. With the political environment that we're in, but well, I guess I shouldn't even say political environment. Just the financial environment we're in. You know, everything is tight. And I know this, in fact, I just had this conversation the other day. You know, I think that

nonprofits, just a lot of organizations, even like churches, There was a time where you had a lot of people that, when someone in the family, you know, when the father died or when the family passed on, there was a lot of money that was left to charitable organizations. but today with the cost of nursing home care retirement home care

the cost of medical care and older people not staying like our society we don't build grandma and grandpa houses like we used to like your mom and dad don't live in the backyard anymore like you know for my parents generation

so as result a lot of wealth that used to go to charitable organizations when somebody pass there is nothing to donate because it all gets spent on medical care and retirement home care do you see that affecting like Easter Seals is it is it harder today to sell fund or fundraise and get, are donations harder to come by today than what they were? And I don't know if you can speak on that or not. It's always been hard, honestly, for our program. I joke with our president's CEO when I go into a budget meeting.

We do an interview. I'm like, I just would love to come into this meeting and be like, you know what, money's good. We don't have, we would have it. And we would welcome if someone had 10, 5, 1, 100 million to give us. So we would, you know, just, we would fund the adaptive kind of equipment that farmers need ourselves, right? Yeah, right. It's, it's always a thing. Maybe, maybe more so now.

Yeah. Than what it used to be, we're grateful to receive some funds from a foundation for our staff time to do the visits and the travel and things like that. But it's, it goes quickly. And every, every year we're looking to. Yeah, you just have to deal with what you've got and do the best. you can. Right. Do you have, go ahead. I was going to say how to, you know, like for farmers listening, because, you know, we have a lot of farmers listen to this, this podcast. They might have a dad, they might have a brother, they might have an employee on the farm that has had something that's been

bothering them. How do they reach out to you and maybe they don't live in Wisconsin, but how do they, how do they get going on this and figure something out? Yeah, there is a national agribility website. if you Google National Agribility, that'll take you to it. But it's housed in Purdue University in Indiana, and they have a link to every state contact. And really that's the best place to start and call that number and get routed to. And typically it's an outreach person

that can just take down information. Often it's a very short phone call. And that's probably the best way to get help. And in our state, we have our outreach person is at the University of Wisconsin. and if I can give the number, it's 608, 262, 9336. They call that person. It's, again, it's a five-minute kind of all call.

And often it's just like, I don't know what you guys can do or what helps out there for me. But all you have to lose is time, right, in terms of it can be a one-hour visit, two-hour visit. Often we get out there and it's tough to get away. But that's really just the best place to start. Yeah. Yeah. So do you have anything either on the farm program or Easter Seals that is something that you're doing goals that you want to do that you can't do today that you're working towards or anything new that you want to talk about? I mean, we have, we have our handsful, really just serving what you have. farmers and doing the work to make their,

make their jobs easier. I'm going to think of a great, a great idea on the way home now, but, oh, that's good. Yeah, things like that. There's always something new, new to learn.

And that's really where our focus is. To do, we, working a little bit more with veteran farmers who are looking to get more in the egg industry. Certainly farms that I'm not as familiar with, like who are growing mushrooms, or micro greens and things like that. We're seeing more of.

So really just getting more knowledgeable about that and how we can help those persons more. So if people want to help get involved in help, how can they get involved in help? Fundraising-wise or just, you know, their time or how can they help? We have a development person at Easter Seals, Wisconsin, and she would welcome a call

and welcome anyone that wanted to help fundraising or donation because we could certainly use it. As we talked about earlier, the cost to do the work for staff time and travel and things alone adds up. So that's really just contacted through our website. Again, EasterSales, Wisconsin.com has a link to our development person, and there's a donate button even that they can just click to donate. Are you guys connected at all, or have you had any interaction with?

And I would assume that they operate in Wisconsin, but farm rescue, do you ever get involved in any situations where they've had to go in and help somebody? And then the aftermath of that is trying to. I'm familiar with farm rescue. They've, we had an opportunity to meet with them. They're fairly new to Wisconsin. Yeah, they are. Yeah, fairly new to Wisconsin.

So I haven't had a situation where they, farmers worked with farm rescue and then we've come in, but certainly aware of them. A lot of other agency, National Farm Medicine Center, who's been a great partner. for us, Wisconsin Farm Center as well, who provides financial counseling, mediation, succession, planning, all that sort of thing that we just encounter just as way of being boots on the ground and meeting with farmers.

So you've worked with them now for 18 years. When you started out, were you working alone or was there always been a group of people? Like, were you the lone, were you the lone cowboy in this deal? Thank goodness, no. my boss at the time, who's now our CEO, was there. And he had been there for a number of years and really started the program. But we've always had, again, a mighty, mighty staff of two to four people to do this work. And I never thought I'd be doing this 18 years later. But like I said earlier, I get calls from farmers that I worked with 18 years ago. Every Christmas, just thanking me for the work that I did. And I was just doing my job right yeah and just talking about how much it meant to them to keep farming and yeah much how much they appreciate it and that's awesome yeah it's a really cool thing i mean does it do you love your job

do you feel like i mean do you feel i mean that's you feel like that'd be a pretty fulfilling endeavor to be a part of totally yeah it's it's it's awesome the end result is awesome um yeah the gentleman i mentioned earlier with this kid i live for that that's it's it's awesome to see the the final result You know, the initial meeting and, you know, it's going to be heavy for. Yeah, it's always heavy, hard stories. Yeah, I remember a guy who had just beautiful, beautiful grain and cattle farm up in northwest Wisconsin. He was one of the first persons I saw as well. And he was doing something with a roof, only 10 feet or so off the ground and slipped and fell and had a spinal cord injury.

So like that, he can't walk, right? And how heavy that first meeting was. I won't say enjoy that. It's an art to go in and meet people like that and just try to like, hey, look, there's hope and it's a process and stuff. But the end result, I live for that. That's awesome. And he's one of those guys that's still farming today. And, you know, that's a beautiful farm at that.

And without that type of help, you know, I don't know what he would have did. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's pretty cool. You kind of blended your two worlds together, you know, where you came from and what you ultimately wanted to do. I bet it's a whole lot better than, yeah, like you said, being in a clinic all day. That would get old. Right.

It's too big a change from farming. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I'm sure that that was, you know, being outside and being a farmer growing up, I'm sure you were like, this part I like, doing all the milk and I could go do something else, but I like being out. Yeah. Yeah.

For sure. Yeah, for sure. What's a message you would want to get out to farmers listening? if there's anything that you'd want farmers to hear or be aware of or whatever, if you had to think. I mean, speaking mostly to the farmers in Wisconsin, really it's just like there's a great deal of persons who have had accidents who have some sort of medical limitation that could really benefit from our service.

And I just, they're really nothing to lose in terms of applying. Again, it's free. It's, you know, so just really want them to take it management. of it and give our program a try and enroll and just use the resource, I guess, is the biggest thing that I would hope for. You know, I was also at like farmers, they don't talk like I have a disability, you know, they could be missing both their legs and like, well, I'm just missing my both legs. I'm not disabled or whatever. They're just, they're going to get it done and no matter, no matter what. So really just for anyone who's, you know, struggling, doesn't need to be a traumatic

accident could be a medical condition. It could be years of wear and tear on their body that could benefit from some help is just to take advantage of our service. Don't be too prideful. Just say you need help. Except help, yeah. Yeah, because I think that's a problem with farmers. They don't even ask for help in their own family.

They don't want to rely on other people. They're afraid of the confidentiality part and we're all, I mean, about their neighbors finding out that they got help. I don't know. So yeah well they just have a they just have a I don't know it's a that's a weird and I mean I probably I think the older I get probably the more I get that way and One time so my when my dad was very you know very old he was in his 90s He called me and I was on my way back from Missouri and the lid blew off this bin that's right out this door or kit came off you know and He calls me and it was like in November

drizzly it wasn't it wasn't snow there wasn't snow but it was crappy and uh he said hey that that lid blew off that bin i said well i'm probably not going to be back until like 5.36 o'clock but all swing by put it back on and uh i get back here and it's dark and it was probably about 630 that night i drive over here i get out and i could tell the lid was on it was on the bin and so i go over to the house and he was he was in there. Actually, he was asleep in his chair, and I woke him up, and I said, I said, the lid's on the bin. He's, oh, yeah, I know.

I put it back on. And I said to him, I said, well, now what in the hell did you do that for? I said, what would have happened if you would have fallen off that bin? And this is a bin without stairs. It's a ladder, old, old bin, you know. And he just looks at me, and he goes, well, I probably would have been dead. but what if you fell off the bin? I thought about it and I thought, well,

if one of us is going to fall off the bin, it should probably be me because you don't need me to keep this going. But I sure need you, so I just decided I'd crawl up there and put the lid on. That is your typical farmer right there. And you can't argue with them. I just looked at him and said, okay, I'll talk to you tomorrow. They're going to get it done no matter what. That's right.

crawl to the barn or whatever. Yeah. Yeah. I'll ask you, this is just kind of an off-the-wall personal question, though. So I don't know how old you are. I imagine you're in your 40s. That'd be right. Yes.

Yep. Thank you. Well, I'm 54. And you've been at this job for 18 years. And this is something that I've just noticed, and I'm curious because I ask people this question. Do you find yourself now at the age where? people ask you questions and they expect that you somehow have wisdom that you don't feel like you should have, but you're getting to that age where everybody just assumes that you know

you should have the answer? I don't know. Sometimes. That's a phenomenon that is just kind of started with me. and I just think it's so funny because I don't feel like I'm, I don't feel like I'm old enough to have that, have that air quotes wisdom. But it's just like, I think you just get to an age where there's enough people

younger than you that they just, oh, well, you know, Jeff, Jeff will know, Jeff will ask Jeff or whoever it is. I think that's just all part of getting older. Yeah, in terms of being just in one job for that long, you've kind of encountered enough that you just kind of start knowing some stuff. I don't know. Winging in will get you a long ways. Yeah, right.

I've come a long ways in 18 years. I remember talking about Lyft, like a Lyft to get a gentleman into a tractor, maybe he has an IVT type tractor. So once he's there, he's fine, but climbing steps is just not possible for him. Yeah. I can tell you everything about all the different types of lift designs out there and how they work and things like that. So you just accumulate knowledge, right?

Yep. Who's had the biggest impact on your life, positively or negatively? When you think about mentors or family? In terms of this job, my boss, like I said, he's currently our CEO. And he's seen a lot in terms of farmers and has taught me a lot in terms of how to, you know, you're just walking onto a farm. the guy before. You don't know if he's going to kick you off, whatever, whatever, or you're going to be able to be, he's going to think you're helpful or not, but it's an art. So he's taught me a lot about

how to kind of handle that and things like that. In terms of life, I'm sorry, I don't know. Probably, you know, my dad, I guess. Like I said earlier, he passed away a few years ago. And he bought the farm in the 1980s when the, you know, bought it from his dad, my grandfather. Yeah. Interest rate wasn't that, wasn't that awesome that? No. Yeah. And how hard he worked.

Yeah. It was, is amazing. I think probably all people grew up on a farm have a certain amount of work ethic. And I'm probably no different in that, in that regard. And same with my siblings. They all are hard workers as a result. Yeah. But he taught me a lot about work.

And some things that he just, you know, I don't know, all the fencing and all the bailing of, pay and fixing equipment and the get her done, if you will, attitude. And no matter what, he was going to farm and how much the farm meant for him. And that's certainly been helpful and having some empathy for this job, meaning going to a farmer and realizing how much that farm and that's who they are, you know. I mean, it's their identity. It's their identity. And a lot of good and bad.

That is a good thing until it's a bad thing sometimes. I know that firsthand. I've only got one other question I'll ask you so when you think back if you could give a 16 year old yourself advice maybe looking forward you know when you think back there what would you tell you what would what advice would you give your 16 year old self yeah oh well slow down yeah and yep you know do it uh do the safe, safe way knowing now what I wish I knew then. Yeah. You know, in terms of on the farm, I appreciate it.

It's, it's, it's, you know, the grass isn't always greener in, off the farm job and things like that. It's really a pretty cool, pretty cool childhood. And, yeah. Do you miss the, do you miss the farm at all? Oh, yeah. Big time. Big time.

Would you, like, if you had the chance to farm today, would you do it? Yes. Yep. 100%. Yep. So we move. Well, good. You got your checkbook.

We could probably work out. We could work out at least own deal today. Hog business is excellent and it's only getting better. Is that right? Oh, yeah, definitely. Yeah, the home farm, like I said, we rented out. And that's part of me. And I wish I could farm it.

We moved a few hours to central part of Wisconsin for this job and relation to all the travel and things like that. And I talked to my wife about it all the time. Like, oh, let's go back. well, and she's like, you're nuts. She didn't grow up on a farm. Right. Yeah, she's, yeah, the cattle are all beautiful to look at and stuff until they get out or something.

Yeah. Yeah. That's, yeah. So, yeah, you know, we've been doing this for three years now, this podcast, and you'd be amazed at the amount of people that grew up on a farm, thought that they never would want to farm again, want to go out and, you know, see the world, do their thing. But then they get older and they go, gosh, if I could. go back and just if I could just farm again.

It's like a bug that stings you, I feel like. There's so many people that are like that. And the sad part is just getting harder to farm. You know, it's harder to keep it intact and keep passing it on. And that's sad. It sucks. But yeah, you're not alone in that. There's a lot of people that we hear from all the time that there's so many people

to listen to the show that grew up farmers. But this is like their tie back to. the farm life a little bit. You know, they, they don't farm today, but this is like, it's like, it's like childhood times again. So anyway, yeah. For me too, right? Yeah.

Yeah. Absolutely, this is how I can still participate in the ag industry and be involved. And I wouldn't make a very, very good farmer myself. Just the, the cost and the stress and the animal sickness and things like that would just stress me out. And, but this is a way that I can be involved. Yeah, but the moral of story to Tork and Sawyer is quit your bitching. Yeah.

Be thankful for what you got. Well, I think that's the story for a lot of people is it could always be harder. And, yeah, slow down. And there's help out there, you know. I think don't be too prideful to get help. So one last thing again, I just want you to say it because we're going to get to the end of the show here. How can people find you guys and how can they get involved? Just say it one more time for people so that.

Yep. It's the website and the phone number. Yeah. So you can contact us at Easter Seals, Wisconsin. There's a farm program link. Easterseals, Wisconsin.com, the farm program link has a way to contact us either via website or the contact phone number. You can also contact us through Agarability of Wisconsin.

The phone number is 608-262-9336. Jeff, we really appreciate you making the trip. this was great i i really appreciate i think people got a lot of value and i think this is going to help a lot of people so we really appreciate the work that you do awesome thanks for having yeah guys it's going to wrap it up if you got any value share the show leave your review on spotify or apple we love you guys we appreciate you and we'll see you back here next week for another episode