Barn Talk - Reclaiming Strength, Tradition, and Trust in Modern Society w/Joy Van Wyngarden

Episode Date: June 16, 2024

Welcome to Barn Talk! In today's episode, we sit down with Joy Van Wyngarden. Together, we dive into a myriad of topics, starting with Tork's reflections on growing up on a farm and the many jobs that kept him busy. We'll explore the societal impact of what Joy describes as an epidemic of weak men, and the need for strong, respectful men in society today. We also discuss the growing trend of small producers and direct-to-consumer markets, the influence of social media on consumer trust, and the disruptions technology has brought to big brands. Get ready for some insightful conversations around fast food, the controversial documentary "Super Size Me," and the benefits of covering crops in farming & much much more.  Follow Joy: TikTok- https://www.tiktok.com/@_joyofalltrades_ Instagram- https://www.instagram.com/_joyofalltrades_/  Use code BARNTALK for 10% OFF your next order https://farmergrade.com SUBSCRIBE TO THE PODCAST ➱ https://bit.ly/3a7r3nR   SUBSCRIBE TO THIS’LL DO FARM ➱ https://bit.ly/2X8g45c  SUBSCRIBE TO BARN TALK CLIPS ➱ https://bit.ly/3BlZnqq   LISTEN ON: SPOTIFY ➱ https://open.spotify.com/show/3icVr4KWq4eUDl7Oy60YMY  ITUNES ➱ https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/barn-talk/id1574395049 Follow Behind The Scenes👇🏻 ● This’ll Do Farm Instagram ➱ https://bit.ly/30KPBNk   ● Barn Talk TikTok ➱ https://bit.ly/3qciekS   ● Sawyer’s Instagram  ➱ https://bit.ly/3BtX0n4   ● Tork’s Instagram ➱ https://bit.ly/3LGZJxS    00:00 Support our direct-to-consumer meat business sale. 08:43 Initially skeptical, TikTok became a viral success. 14:35 Regenerative agriculture podcast with insightful agronomist John Kempf. 15:25 New approach to farming using plant immunity. 24:43 Embracing traditional values and holistic living trends. 28:21 Admiration for young women embracing counterculture lifestyles. 35:41 Questioning consumerism and belief in products. 40:45 Ignorance of pasteurization and homogenization leads to passion. 44:47 Technology disrupts big businesses; startups gain advantage. 49:17 Examine the history of sunscreen and its impact. 55:18 Seeking purpose, fulfillment amid life's challenges. 01:01:07 Emphasize simple lifestyle, real food, and sunlight. 01:05:32 Sauna accelerates detox, improves sleep and energy. 01:12:18 Busy farm life, raising pigs, working off-farm. 01:17:57 Survival tactic for women against weak men. 01:20:36 Finding closure and understanding through conversations with fathers. 01:26:55 Finding the right people requires authenticity. 01:34:31 Ecosystems are in poor shape, USA not mentioned. 01:35:28 Many people are ignorant about important decisions. 01:43:32 Biden unpopular; minorities identify with Trump. 01:47:40 Thankful for not living in metropolitan areas. 01:51:28 Follow Joy of all trades on social media. ------------------------------- ***PLEASE NOTE*** ⚠NO FINANCIAL ADVICE / DISCLAIMER⚠  The Information discussed and shared on Barn Talk is provided for educational, informational, and entertainment purposes only, without any express or implied warranty of any kind, including warranties of accuracy, completeness, or success for any particular purpose. The Information contained in or provided from or through this podcast is not i... Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Good meat. Good meat. Yep. We got that. Got that in spades. great. Yeah, nice hat. Dad, uh, you know, it's so funny. You never think this, but dad is kind of the creative genius when it comes to all our merch. You know, I, I don't spend near enough time thinking up all the T-shirt ideas. That's kind of dad's realm. And he's, he's Jones and they get merch made. So he made those, he made those awesome hats that he's reping today. I do like to market. I am a marketer. You know, I love those hats, but I just think those hats don't fit my fucking fat head very well. I don't know why. Well, I mean, I don't remember ever dropping you in your head.

I don't know. For some reason, I just look funny in those hats, those style hats. That's why I always am repping this car heart hat because it just fits my hat well, or fits my head well. This is the Richardson style. Yeah. This is the Richardson knockoff. The original, this will do hats or Richardson's, but these are the, these are the, I don't know. Torque special.

I don't know. Flex Fit 110's. They didn't have, I couldn't get Richardson's. And you know what, Richardson's, they're not made in America. They pimp themselves out like everything they sells like Made in America or whatever, but those hats aren't. They are a nice hat, though. And these aren't made in America either because I couldn't find any.

But anyway, I like them. Soon to be available on the store, if we ever get that up and going. It's one more thing we're working on. But I digress. Today, we got a great show. It's a kinder, gentler show. There won't be any yelling or screaming. Well, I don't think there's going to be any yell or screaming.

Our guest today, she has a pretty big following on Instagram and TikTok, and her channel is calming and soothing. And it has a look to it that's very disarming. Not like when Sawyer goes on an epic rant. There'll be none of that today. We're going to explore a lot of great topics. I'll try my best. Yeah, he's going to do his best. It won't be like last episode.

It won't be like that. I can promise you that. Well, if she doesn't agree with you on anything, try not to make her cry, all right? I won't do that. I think she's tough skin. Yeah, she can hold her own. Yeah.

She's an Iowa girl. She can do it. Yeah, she can take the punishment for sure. So without any further ado, let's get into it. We're live here. So Joy van Wynne Garden. Welcome to Barn Talk.

Thank you. Thank you for having. me. Yeah. Well, you're a fellow Iowa and girl, see, I don't think you had to travel too far, did you? No, I was about, I think it was like an hour 15. That's not the case for most some of the guests that we've had, you know. No, like Jesse. Jesse, what was

that, Oregon, Washington? Utah. No, it was Washington. Oh, was it Washington? He's not from Utah. I always think he can't keep his straight. He literally flew. He literally flew. Came down, shot it, and flew back. Oh my gosh. I couldn't believe. I know. It was a great guy. It seemed to be that boogey someday. I know, right? Just call Is it on his plane or was it?

I don't think so. He's got hay semis, but he doesn't have a hay jet yet. Oh. If he can figure out a way to compress that hay enough that he can put in a plane, he probably will have one, but not quite good. So start it off, why don't you just let people know where they can find you and what you're doing and what you're all about? So I'm on social of Instagram and TikTok, unfortunately.

Joy of all trades is my handle for both of them. That's mostly where I do a lot of my posting. I'm trying to kind of start up a YouTube channel. but it's it's one of the back burner things it takes a lot of work and it's a lot of time and I have all the ideas up here and I have them all on paper but it's just actually getting out and making videos on it so but joy of all trades that's my handle that's a good one yeah and you are your your content is pretty diverse and that's where I felt like I wanted a name that reflected it because originally it was just my name back when I was just had social media because that's what kids do we

have social media I tell my name then I'm like no one even knows how to say my last name no one knows how to pronounce it. Like, it's not significant in any manner. I was like, well, my first name's kind of fun. Like, it's a real word. It's in the dictionary. Like, I should find a play on words to work with. And I think, yeah, I just post a lot of different things. I'm like, why not do Joy of All Trade? Just let people know that, like, if you're coming to this page, you're going to get a little bit of everything and you're probably going to get everything that you don't know that you don't need. So just prepare for it. Yeah, I think that's what I like a lot about your page is your brand is just you and I think it's really like I admire that about you and the fact that it's really hard for

people to build social media followings around multiple things like they can't really build it around themselves they have to like niche down and you're really good at doing everything that's you and people come to follow you not just like what you're doing you know what I mean like us it's like people come to barn talk for mostly first. For mostly, farming, but we're kind of getting into other topics as well, but they know us as farmers. And like, that's kind of what. That's the hat that we wear. But the people that can do what you're doing, that's really hard. So I really admire what you do on your page. Yeah. No, it's, it is. I just think of it as being myself. Yeah, no, that's cool. That's what makes it so seamless.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But that's what brands are. Like, personal branding is just, you are the only you that exists on the planet. You're probably really weird and quirky if you would just allow the world to see that. So just capitalize on it. And that's like the thing about personal branding, I feel like when just looking, it was like most of the time it takes people for their personal brand. They have to niche down in the beginning. And then as they get bigger, then they start to like piece it out a little more. But like, like I said with you, it's like, I just feel like you've just been you from the beginning. And it's just really worked for you, which is cool. It's just been fun. It's yeah, it's awesome. And I have a bunch of stupid ideas on the docket, so stay tuned.

Yeah, so what, so kind of give us the lowdown or the background on kind of what made you want to do it and like what your aim of why you're doing it, you know? I think like probably maybe similar to you guys around the COVID era, it was kind of an accident because TikTok became a thing and I was in college, Iowa State and, you know, the world shuts down, especially in a town like Ames. and I was thinking this app was really stupid. I'm like, someone's trying to recreate Vine, and it's not going to work, and it's really stupid. And then I got on it and had to bite my own tongue. And I started making videos, and I was like, well, I can make stuff that's funnier than what was coming up on my feed.

So I just started making things. And then one day you wake up, and, you know, it's like, oh my gosh, a million people watched that video last night. And it kind of just went from there where I just started making content that was me or stuff that I thought was funny or relatable. you know, there's a lot of things that I make that are just relatable to the Midwest life or growing up in the country, being a farm girl, being an Iowa, and farmer wave, that kind of stuff. And that really seemed to do well.

trajectory-wise, I don't know. I have a lot of different ideas for that. That's why I'm, like, hesitant to say anything because... You're not settled anything. Yeah, I haven't quite decided what direction fully I want to go, but that's why I'm just kind of riding it out and seeing what opportunities arise and what happens. but I have some ideas. Like you said earlier, though, before we even were on air branding and like coming up with a business idea and then helping letting your social media help you grow that, that's definitely

something I want to do. So it's just about kind of figuring out which one I want to go with and figuring out some just business details along the way. But yeah, I have a few ideas where I'm like, I think I could do this. You got a lot of directions that you can pick from. Yeah. It's just, oh, it's exciting. but then it's overwhelming and you realize you can't do it all even if you want to.

Right. Are you thinking of bagging your own, you're going to have your own face on a bag of cover crop? Oh, that actually wasn't on the list, but, you know, I'll be thinking about it on the drive home now. I don't know. I'd have to have some really fun branding with a, there's no cover crop that starts as at Jay, though. So I don't know if that'll work, but it's not a bad idea. I do like the Iowa cover crop people. I'm a big fan of their stuff.

and they're on social a lot more now. They're doing more of that kind of stuff. So I'm very pro what they're doing over there. They're not too far from here. Are they Jefferson, Iowa? Jefferson County. Yeah, Jefferson County. Yeah, that's Fairfield.

Yeah, so they're pretty close. It's what, 20 miles. So, they're not too far. Yeah. We're going to, we're eventually going to separate all our manure and we're going to have, like, dry. I want to bag it and put my face on it, you know, put my face on the bag, have just say torques full of shit here have a bag i mean i've i've seen worse branding i know there really is like you go to a garden center there's no like brand of no of manure for your

or compost or whatever i'm like that's really interesting i know what should capitalize on that i know that's what we say but then i'm like i think that and then i'm like nope you're giving away too many of our ideas well i think we're we're kind of max yeah our time might be like really can we not let someone else do that. Yeah, right. Where we're at right now, yeah, we'll let somebody else do it enough. Somebody else can do that. But maybe in the future, we can do it. I don't know. I like it, though. Yeah, yeah. Okay, so you're in farming. You're kind of in farming a little bit. So you're in the conservation, cover crops. Like, what's your background on ag and farming in general? Like, farm girl, come from a farm family. Tell people what, kind of how you were involved in agriculture.

I feel like kind of like everyone else grew up on a farm, parents farm, grandparents farm, grandparents farm cousins farm everyone farms um but just row crop didn't grow up with livestock and i just kind of fell into conservation if that makes sense uh i took ag in high school and you know you just grow up a farm kid so you know a certain degree of things and i remember having a conversation with my dad in high school where i had heard about cover crops or we learned about it an ad class or something and i came home and i was talking to my dad about it i'm like cover crops like why don't we do those or you know like what are And he was like, oh, they don't work. It's, you know, too dry, dries out the ground.

They just don't work. And it was like, at that point in life, you just take your dad's word for granted or for the Bible, for the truth, right? And you're like, okay, well, cover crops don't work. I guess they just don't. And then I went to college, Iowa State for agriculture and communications, and learned more about conservation and just the importance of soil conservation, the importance of water quality, a lot of the issues that we face here in the Midwest

and Iowa a lot. and I kind of just fell in love with it. And then I realized that there's not a lot of people out there talking about it. There's more people talking about conventional farming. There's more people talking about other issues in ag. But it didn't seem like there was a ton of people bringing up the topics of erosion and water quality and the dust bowl, which really wasn't that long ago in the grand scheme of things. And I just became passionate about it.

So you got any facts or points that you could rattle off at the top of your head about it? it. Oh, like stats. Like if you want to know the most, like, if people want to know the most important things about cover crops, like, uh, I mean, in general, cover crops are used as an erosion tool, right? We're trying to keep the soil in place. We're not trying to lose our moneymaker. Uh, they're helping build organic matter. They're helping build healthy soils because they're feeding your soil biology. A lot of the connection between soil health and biology is what's happening between the plants that are growing and between the grubs that are underground. And there's so much information that's always coming out about that.

There's so many studies that universities are doing and trials are showing that, like, there is a much more complicated connection between the soil biology and the health of your plants. I can't think of the podcast name. I want to say it's the regenerative agriculture podcast. He's a Mennonite guy from over, I want to say in Pennsylvania. John Kemp maybe, genius guy, agronomist. And he's been taking a very deep dive into plant health and the relationship between the soil.

And it's just mind boggling. Like when I listen to his podcast, I have a girl brain. So like if I'm driving and listening to a podcast, sometimes I have to like stop and like digest information. So I'm like constantly pausing that one. And just being like, wait, what the heck did he say? Because he has a very different outlook on agronomy

and plant health as opposed to, to what I would say conventional agronomists here in the Midwest have currently. And it's just essentially building the health of the soil to allow the plant's immune system to fight off things. So if we go out and we crop scout here and we see some kind of blight, we see some kind of worm, beetle, whatever, we typically just what, we spray the crop, right? And we think that's going to kill the pest. But he takes an absolute approach of what part of the plant's immune system was dysfunctioning

and what can we do to repair that? Similar to human beings, right? If you get sick, Sawyer, and we just give you some medicine, you get better, did we really take care of what the true issue was? Or, like, your immune system is at the root of, like, why did you get sick in the first place? And he just takes a completely different approach, which I'm sure some people would find very hippy and holistic

for, like, the farming community. But he's so darn smart. And I think it's going to be the future, and I think it's going to be one of those things. We're 50 years from now we look back on it. And we were like, we totally got duped by the co-ops. Like we totally got duped by big ag and all the herbicide and all the things that we're

mining over in China that we are literally reliant on to do our jobs. And yeah, I just, I find that stuff fascinating. Yeah, no, that's cool. I mean, I think for us, it's like most farmers, I think they want to do right by their soil because obviously we want to pass it on, you know, we want it to stay healthy. We don't want another dust bowl, right? but the hardest thing is money yield you know yield is the biggest thing for farmers if they're not making money they can't stay in business therefore they can't have that ground so it's just fighting

that battle of doing right by the soil and doing what's right for the next generation but also we got to make we got to pay the bills too and i think yours a happy medium there you know for each operation of doing doing regenerative ag or doing conservation tactics or methods that help the ground, but also making a profit too. So we just got to try to find that middle ground. So did you sell your dad or did your dad come around to the idea of cover crops? He's still coming around to the idea. He's kind of like us.

It's been a little bit of a knockdown drag out between us. It's like, you know, every family has that conversation topic that you don't address over food and that's become ours. but he's baby boomer generation. It's just so different and it's such a big management shift. Not only a management shift on the ground, but I would say like a management shift in your mind that he's, he's open to it,

but it's not, he's not fully doving in yet. Yeah. There's a lot worse things that you could fight at the dinner table about. Oh, for sure. Yeah, we're at the same page with most everything else in life, except that. So it's just kind of funny.

Yeah. He'll come around. He just got to. keep pounding the stone. That's what I do with you. I just do with him. Relantless. Just come around or a two by four. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Right. Yeah. So, so do you help farm at all out on the farm or do you like what do you what do you what's your day job I guess and are you involved in the operation at all? I am quite literally like when it comes to my day job now I am the joy of all trades. Like my day, my every day looks different. I'm doing different things every day. I'm editing on my

computer. I'm working from home. Like yesterday we were out doing hay It just depends on the time of year and the day I don't do a ton per se though Because we don't have a hog barns that we're choring Things like that and I don't have cattle that I'm taking care of So just row crop stuff But every day is different and I love it

We could get you a few pigs Yeah what kind What kind do you guys raise? We got Daraque, we got some Daraq I want to get some mangalese. Oh Everybody wants the furry pigs.

Dude, but I've heard that they marble really well. And that part intrigues me. I want to try one. I have a friend who's raising some and I told them, I said, because they had some, they had a litter and they had some piglets. And I was like, when you get those things full grown, you call me because I want to try it. Because I've heard it's really good. Have you guys tried it?

Never tried it. I've heard all the good things. We got to have it to 300 pounds and 162 days to make it work. I know. I don't think they'll make it. But what if the market just one day tells it? Like, what if the people? It's the consumer market.

If the consumers say we want some marble on our hogs, you're going to say, okay. Well, we're already headed that way. So the pork industry made a really poor investment several decades ago where they really thought, I think that as an industry, we really thought that the world of proteins were going the way of chicken. And that was the biggest growth as far as market share was chicken. and everybody thought that all the cattle guys were going to be out of business. So the pork producers decided that we're going to make pork like chicken. We're going to make it real lean.

The second lean meat or whatever was. Yeah. What was it? The other white meat. That was the big brand. And that was a big mistake because guess what? People still buy a steak because why do they buy the steak? Because it tastes really, really good.

And it has fat in it. Yeah. And it did not work out well. And so for us, like the meat that we sell, one of the comments that we get from people is, like, they are curious what breed a pig they are. And whether we like, you know, feed them toasted almonds and rub them down with butter and do blah, blah, blah. And then we explained to them that these are, these are, this is the pig that the industry raises today. Like we raise them in confinement the way. 99% of pigs are raised. It's just that for one, we finish them maybe a little heavier than

what a lot of them are and we get them butchered the way we want them. But the genetics are the same. But the genetic, the whole industry has figured out we've got to get that marbling back in the meat. So where even three or four years ago, if you went in our buildings, you would see nothing but white pigs. very, very rarely you would see maybe a pig that was a little red. Today, when you go in there, you see... It's a zoo. You see ham pigs, you see Durox, you see spots, you see... Because that side of...

Those genetics are the ones that have the higher fat content in the meat, and they're figuring it out, which they needed to figure it out because when chicken is the price it is, and beef is the price. it is, which would you rather be selling against the cheapest or the most expensive? I would rather market against beef. Let's be honest, lean pork kind of sucks. It does. It does. Doesn't taste great. Yeah. And so that's the other thing. You know, think about 40 years ago, there wasn't a market for bacon. Bacon was squeezed into lard. Like you, you literally, they wanted, they wanted the fat and the meat was worth.

nothing. Yeah, fed it to the chickens. Yeah. And today, that's the most, like, that's crazy valuable. And, but, you know, pork butt, pork chops, bacon, that's what everybody wants. Porkloin. Porkloin, pork loin, dollar $49 a pound every week somewhere, you know. I like pork loin. It is if you do it right, but most people do not know how to cook it. And you got to be really careful with it because it will dry out really fast. So I've made a pork loin like three weeks. ago and I took the smaller end that has the tenderloin in it, you know, that strip of dark meat. So I took that because I cooked it, so I get the best. And Sawyer, he's the big dog, so I gave him the big end and I gave his brother the middle.

And I thought it was delicious. And Clay's like, boy, that was the best pork loin I've ever had. And then I asked Sawyer and he goes, that was dry. That was pretty dry. That was dry. And we were all like, what are you talking about? It was fantastic. And then I'm like, oh, yeah, I gave you the, I gave you the really lean end.

What is everybody raving about? That was not that good. It makes a big difference. Yeah, it does. Big time. But yeah, I don't think I'm ready for the Magalistas yet. No. I don't want to have to brush them every day.

You throw them in the pasture at the horse. Oh. Well, that might be, that'd be good video. Yeah, there you go. Of those two coping with one another. I don't know who would win. It would be a battle of wills. Never underestimate the power of a pit.

pig though. Or horse. Those two be stubborn. That's why I refuse to have pigs someday. Like, unless I get the Mangalistas and I like put them in their place. But no, pigs can be mean. Oh my gosh. I only have to get like pushed around by a sow one too many times before you're like, okay. Yeah, pig is, uh, they're a very independent minded animal and

um, they, they, you know, have a thought, should I be afraid of that? And then once they decide I'm not afraid of it, their second thought is, I wonder if I can eat that. Yeah. I wonder if I could eat that. So that is 100% of kids. That's pretty much their, that's their mindset. That's true.

So going back to your content, you do a lot of different things. But like when I look at your content, I feel like you kind of represent this culture of young people today that see all the chaos and just how our world has shifted and are like looking around and going, well, this wasn't how it. was back in the day, I'm going to sprint back to how kind of things were done in the past, rather than going with the status quo that we've always gone with the last, I don't know, 10, 20 years. So you're like, I feel like you represent millennial and Gen Z's kids or young people that are just sprinting back to traditional values. Do you feel like that's kind of what you're kind of doing? I mean, I know you're into, you know, I don't want to say, holistic living, but like you are gardening, you are looking into ways to take care of your health

and not just like saying, okay, let's go to the doctor for every, every problem that I have. You know, like you're valuing your health. You're valuing what you put in your body. Like all those things. And I feel like a lot of young people are kind of thinking the same thing. And so, yeah, kind of what are your thoughts on that? I mean, I feel like you might be included in that, though, too, just with some of your thoughts of like what you just said, like you're looking around. You're like, is no one else have a problem? Yeah.

What's going on right now? Like it can't just be me. But sometimes I think, what is that phrase? The some of the smallest percent are like the loudest, you know, like the. Yeah. And I think that's what's happening right now, like the month of June, right? Like the small percent are speaking the loudest. And it's like, no, no, no.

We can talk too. And I think, yeah, I think there's just some absolute craziness in the world right now. And there's nothing wrong with talking. out against it and saying, this isn't right. I don't believe in this, you know. I think a big turning point for me, because I don't think I've always been 100% that way. Like, I was raised with very traditional, like, country, homegrown values. But I think after I got off birth control, I think my brain just, like, had an epiphany or something. Like, I'm very against that drug. I'm very against. My fiance was the same way. She, a lot of people. If you look in.

to the effects of birth control, it's like bad, bad. The side effect list is this long and it's literally just so you don't get pregnant in high school. It's literally what people are taking this evil drug for. And then it has this huge laundry list of effects that can last for the rest of your life. Like some people are quite literally infertile because they took a pill for a few years of their life. And that's really sad. I mean, shame on the industry for letting girls get on that without being fully aware of how it could affect their body later on in their life during the very important years of your life, like the best years of your life.

But yeah, I think I just kind of had an epiphany and my mind shift changes. My hair's like wavy now. That was new. And I just, yeah, I kind of got sick of some of the shit that was being preached and I'm like, no. And I would agree. There's a lot of people that reach out to me that say like, thank you about like posting something, which at first was kind of like, you're welcome.

Yeah. What do you mean? But they're just like, I agree with you. I'm so on board. I've been thinking this too. Like, I believe in what you. doing. And sometimes they're just the ones that aren't making the content. So when in a world where it feels like maybe you're the only person that believe something, that's so not the case. It is, it is a small

world and there's plenty of people that think just like you do all across the world. Yeah. No, I, that's, that's honestly, like, I didn't even know, like, I didn't, I started following you a while ago just because of that. Because I was like, yeah, she's like this young woman that's like, mid, you know, Midwest, and she's like, kind of got this vibe about just like kind of fuck the system a little bit of just how everything that they've shoved down our throats, you know? And so, yeah. And so, you know, like there's a town close to where we live right now, or where we're at right now, like Colona. I know a lot of young people in Colonna that are in their, you know, mid-20, starting to have kids, either getting married or engaged or whatever,

single, that, you know, like a group of guys are getting together and they're sitting down. for Friday coffee, you know, having community. And they're all gardening and they're all canning. And they're all raising chickens. Raising chickens. And they're all, talk each other into manalisa pigs. Yeah. And they're all learning how to butcher. And they're all learning, they're all going on runs together. And it's just like this culture of like. And the other thing is that I think is awesome about what you do. And along with that, they're all learning, they're all learning skills. Like they're learning how to do stuff for themselves. because I'm an 80s kid and greatest generation ever. Can't argue.

I'll give you that because we can't say shit. I just had this conversation with Ryan Kelly last night because we were talking about, I don't even know what we were talking about on the podcast, but I brought up about sugar cereal when I was a kid. And this cereal that they, now they, the target brings it back for Halloween it's like boo berries frankenberry count chocula something else but anyway Ryan Kelly's like he's like yeah 80s kids we didn't you know our parents were so tired and and i'm the youngest I was the youngest of three boys so I got away with murder and all my friends were like

the youngest of three four or five kids to where at that you know the first child you know keep trabs on them. The last one, you just check them to see if they have a pulse a couple times. He'll be fine. Yeah. So he was like, what I like to do was I like to take booberry and then put Mountain Dew on it when I was watching cartoons on Saturday morning. Okay, we were not the generation of health, you know. And that generation, like, we, you were, I feel like that was kind of the, I feel like that was kind of the tipping point of where we are in society today. And I've seen like, I've seen like South Park does a bit on this where you can't get anybody to come fix the handle on your oven, you know, like the guy wants $500 to fix the handle on this guy's oven. And he asks Siri how to

fix the handle. And then Siri rattles all this stuff. And so then he asks Siri if she can do it for because he doesn't know how to do it. But that was a time period where technology and innovation and all that, people just lost a lot of that, that mentality of doing it yourself, which was my dad's mentality, 100% because he grew up. You had to fix it yourself. You had to do it yourself. But then I feel like we got a whole generation where, oh, you just hire somebody for that. And if somebody tells you that there's an easier way to do it, if you can, get, you know, if you can get fast food or you can get it already made put in a box. Now, my mother, she was all about that. Like, she grew up, I would say, this is the thing about

the 80s. It was the greatest because it was the last generation before the big social media tech boom. Yeah. But you guys also were the pioneers of consumerism. Like, it's just started in the 80s where it was like, you could get anything. Every, you guys want TV dinners, Schwann's man, and all that shit was starting to come. Pop culture. But now you look back and you're like, you let your kids eat this, you know. You'd be better off eating the dirt.

But then the other side of it was, it was the beginning of like specialization to the point that now we have a whole generation that don't know how to do shit. And that's what I love about your content is you getting out and doing stuff and learning how to do stuff. And that's like those boys, those guys that you know,

that, you know, they're like, I want to learn how to butcher a pig. So they, you know, they start doing it. Well, I think what's cool about it is that movement and just kind of what you represent. I feel like that's what gives our generation or America hope. Like, yes. That, hey, we're not just going to keep staying inside and sitting on our phones forever. Like, hey, we've kind of grown up a little bit and we look around and we're like, something's got to change.

This ain't going right. this isn't going good like we got to put ourselves first our community first learn some shit and like let's be honest being on your phone and staying inside and being a constant consumer that ain't good for you we're just slaves at that point yeah yeah and i think everyone needs some degree of like empowerment like no you can't figure this out whoever told you that you can't was wrong youtube has everything you can figure it out on your own and at the end of whatever you decide to do and you accomplish it you will feel really good about yourself because now you just added more tools to your own tool belt. And like you said, in a world of specialization or like what I would call like siloing,

there's just so much of that. We can't, you buy a brand new truck, you can't work on it anymore, right? Like things have gotten so complicated. And I think it's by design. I think it's very intentional how siloed things have become or health care industry included, where it's just you can do only what you can do and the world will tell you, well, you can't do that. You can't figure that out. It's complicated and you need a degree. a specialist and you need this kill to help you. And it's like, that's not the mentality of like our grandparents. Like, no, like, I'll figure it out. And I might break things and waste some money in the process.

But like, I'm having fun. I will figure it out. Yeah. 100%. No, that's a great, that's a great mindset. Yeah. What are some of the biggest changes that you outside of birth control? Like, I know that was kind of your first start.

But like, what are some of the biggest changes you've made in your own life as you've gotten older that like kind of go away from the status quo and kind of are a little maybe I don't know go back to the traditional values a little bit I guess that or it had a big impact yeah just had a big impact on you that might not be the norm I think after the whole getting off birth control thing I just had my own realization that I'm going to have to be my own advocate for basically everything not to say you can't trust anyone not saying that at all because I have awesome people in my life and a lot of them I really do trust and I take their counsel for word. But just to look into things on your own. So many times we hear something and we just believe it.

And now in the age of social media, a real pops up on our phone and we start watching it and you're like, oh my gosh, this is that or this is that. This is true. And then how many people actually look into it on their own? Mainstream media. You just don't, right? Like you just, you see some things and you believe it and then you adopt it. And that's where like the consumerism came into impact. It's like, well, it's so much easier to feed your kid count chocula or whatever and it's like well what's actually in count chocula how do they make it like what is red 40 like all those things and what are the long term effects um my boyfriend i were just looking at a article about solar panels because there's almost a dark side to solar panels that a lot of people just see it and they say oh it's good and it's green and it's energy efficient and we love them and there's a gosh i can't even

think of his name now but he he has credentials he's a scientist, he's worked for NASA, he's done all sorts of stuff. And he was explaining how they're basically heating up the earth quicker. So like all these giant fields of solar panels, like, maybe they're not the best. Or just the things that people don't think about. And by the time they do, it's probably too late. And things have already kind of taken their dark turn. So I've just kind of adopted that mindset in my life where it's like, if you hear something, just look into it yourself. That doesn't mean you have to be belligerently disagreeing with everything you hear. But I don't like just taking things for at face value yeah like i'm i'll look into it myself on my own time

yeah i'll listen to like 73 podcasts and i'll read a book or two and i'll brew on it for a year and then i'll make up my life yeah yeah but i're not alone i think a lot of people are that way that there's also a lot of um people's faith in well i shouldn't say faith but people's trust of uh government, big pharma, big food, big meat, big anything. Yeah, it's all time low. And it just keeps getting lower. Yeah. And I'll give you a great example.

And I'm not, I'm not, I'm not for or against. I, well, somebody would say I'm against because somebody, my family always tells me, you need to wear sunscreen and I don't do a very good job. And it's not, it's not because I don't, it's not because I wouldn't wear it's because I don't ever think about it when I, you know, head out the door and I'm going to go do this. I just don't. Yeah. But the Wall Street Journal does a story about sunscreen and about all of the misinformation about it being harmful. And I thought that was, for one, I thought that was very interesting that the Wall Street Journal would do that because to me, that's not like the kind of news that you would

read the Wall Street Journal for. So I just started reading all the comments on it. And it was hilarious because so many of the comments were, oh, by the way, Eli Lilly bought 33% of Wall Street stock or of Wall Street Journal stock last week. Oh, who, you know. Banana boat. What ad, yeah, how many banana boat ads

are running in the Wall Street Journal Day? Like, there wasn't any comments that weren't, yeah, you're lying. Like, I would never get my information from the Wall Street Journal. And I think that's so interesting. because we have this disconnect. You have a group of people that have built organizations such as that are totally bought into it.

And all they do is talk to each other. And so you have that group of people and they're just scratching their heads because they can't understand why all of these people over here look at them like. they're the devil. And I just think it's so interesting because that's traditional media, that's traditional conglomerate food companies, you name all the things you listed. That's all they know and that's all they associate with. So they're just like dumbfounded. Like they just can't understand it because they don't know anybody like you or me. Well, I think they've always gotten away with it. Right. And now it's like. There's always been some degree of trust. Yeah, the consumer has always trusted then. Yeah. And now that's all going away and they

literally are in full blown panic. It's backfiring on everything. They don't know what to do. Because one thing comes out and then all of a sudden the consumers go, well, you were lying about this? You've been lying about this for 50, 60, 70 years? Like what is going on here? And I have this conversation all the time with people. And typically I don't get people coming at me with like hate mail or anything like that. But if they do come at me for like raw milk or something like that, I'm just like, listen here sugar i'll show you where you are wrong and because we got duped big time like but some people are so hell bent on dying on a hail of something that they don't know anything about and that's what cracks me up i think i made a raw milk reel oh this has been a while ago but it

something about it was funny or something because it blew up and it reached the section of the internet that is very much so like you cannot be drinking raw milk that is very unsafe and i'm like what were your grandparents drinking? What were they drinking? Like homogenization and pasteurization, when did that get implemented from the FDA side of things? Like for the United States, like they just knew absolutely nothing about like,

what milk compromises of and what the process of pasteurization and homogenation is even doing to the food that you're consuming. So it's just so funny though, because they were so mad at me for trying to educate or make joke or make fun about something like that. Like they were willing to die on that hill and I knew nothing about it.

I'm just like, well, how brainwashed have we become as a society that you were like so ignorantly passionate about something that you have no clue about. Yeah. Like I pity that person, but then it just kind of makes you realize that like it worked. The whole consumerism like brainwashing of our country has been successful. Like you did a good job. Sociology experiment. Like it worked and so many people bought into it.

So what do you think? What's that look like as that all? unravels. Oh, gosh. Yeah. I mean, for me, I feel like I said, what you, what you or show gives me hope because I feel like a lot of kids or young people my age or a little bit older are kind of relating to what you are posting. Like, I think we all are kind of realizing. And that gives us, that gives me hope that we can turn shit around. But I'd like to know your thoughts on how does it unravel. I need to talk about it. You know, I think it's one thing to see it and be like, oh, I agree about it.

But then, like, yeah, actively, what are we doing to combat it or educate people on it or things of that nature? How it ends? I don't know. Yeah. I wonder that myself. Well, it's very interesting to me how, so like the raw milk deal. Somebody we know just posted yesterday. So they grew up on a traditional dairy in southeast Iowa, and they're leaving, and they're starting a raw milk dairy of their own.

And their family is going to keep the dairy that they've got, which is a commercial dairy. Wow. And I think- The market's that big, huh? Well, they think that they think, well, they want to live simpler. And they want to get out, of course, of the rat race of running a commercial. Derry. I was going to say, they want to sleep so. Yeah. I mean, I think that's what it comes down to, but part of the way they're going to subsidize that life is doing raw milk. But like that is an example because the family, the old, the parents and I don't know if there's any siblings that are doing that, but they're going to keep doing it. But you have this voice that is like, no, I'm not going to do that. I'm going to do my own deal. But I think that's happening all over the country.

Mm-hmm. And I just, I see deals like that and it, it's going to be really curious to watch how that goes. And the direct-to-consumer thing is the exact same thing. You have had nothing but consolidation in the, in the grocery business, in the food business, in the produce business. Meat business. Consolidate, consolidate, consolidate. And now then you have these companies that have no. They have no rapport with their customers, and their customers, they don't even have to do anything.

Like, there doesn't have to be a recall or something that comes out that they're doing wrong. And yet they've still lost the trust. They just assume, if you interview these people, they just assume that they're not doing things well. And so as a result, these small producers and these direct-to-consumer, that's what people want because they want to get back. to accountability because they don't feel like there's any accountability. Absolutely. And that's, I think it's, I'm just, I don't know how long it's going to take and I don't know what it looks like, but I feel like you're just seeing that everywhere.

All over in different parts of society. And even in, even in business, the rise, technologies, I think like a double-edged sword for really large businesses, because what is happening today is you have, have really big businesses that are being upended by startups because the cost of all of the technology to do all the things they need to do is a fraction of what it was when that business was built. And so you've got people that can take whatever somebody's doing currently and do it better and do it much cheaply with fewer people.

and these big companies, they're in full-blown panic because they're being eaten by the monster that they invented, so to speak. Absolutely. And so I don't know. Yeah, I think there's pushback everywhere, and I just side note of all of it. I think one great thing about social media outside of all the negatives that there are on social media

of just over-consuming it and what has done to young people and young girls and stuff like that. but it that social media has kind of backfired in that way to the establishment I think because without it you know we would never I think it's made people more aware than ever before so I would agree with that that I think it's good on for people like us yeah a thousand percent about things and we can share things with the world that formerly we weren't and if you didn't have a platform no one was listening but now that you do you can talk about things and more people come to light in certain things And I feel like I hate the word influencer.

I remember we've talked about this before. It's just such an icky word. But like in terms of people coming to like you and asking questions or changing minds or something, we are at a meeting this weekend this past weekend at Riverside. And one of our friends, he was like pointing at me. He was like, check out the shoes my brother bought. And they were barefoot shoes. It was just like, woo.

Influence. Like, we're like in progress. but because some people and some influencers out there are becoming more credible than the establishments, that's what should be really concerning. Like if you are trusting individuals that you don't even know that live 500 miles away from you more than you're entrusting these establishments, yeah, they're in trouble for sure. And I think what's screwed these brands is now every brand out there has to establish trust with the consumer through social media content.

Yes. What's Tyson going to post? right what's mac and cheese what's craft mac and cheese going to post them putting artificial cheddar cheese in a pouch at the factory and sending it to you like they they have nothing because they can't show you anything because it's cute marketing yeah and we're all like great that's cool we love your graphics but we want to see some shit yeah and they don't see show you shit so you know then we hear all the negative side effects of the shit that you give us and we're like well yeah we don't like you We don't want you.

We don't eat your shit anymore. Did you see the guy that did the supersized document years ago to see he passed away? He died. I'm like, I'm sure that was really good for McDonald's marketing. Yeah, right, right, I know. I remember watching that in middle school. We had to watch that in health class. I did, I watched the same thing.

It was gross. It was awful. I don't know if it's still on Netflix or where you could go out of it. He made the second one too. Oh, he did. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It wasn't the deal on that that if he went in order. and they asked him if he wanted to supersize it. He had to take it. Yeah.

Yeah. He had to let him. Yeah. And I heard, I would, I read some comments of his passing. And it was some, some, some, probably some McDonald's, like, advocate. No, some advocate that loves going to McDonald's was like, uh, he was an alcoholic most of his life. So that's probably why.

It probably was like, okay, dude. Not the 30 days of just meal after meal of just shit food. Maybe I don't know. Bad genetics. Yeah. whatever. But, um, yeah, I, uh, what, so what are your thoughts on sunscreen? Because I'm kind of curious. I want to know since we brought it out. It's honestly a crock of shit. Okay. Start looking into it. Like when it started getting implemented

in society and the ingredients that they started with in sunscreen and then skin cancer, it's a direct correlation. Like there is, there is nothing if and or butt about it. But then there's also, you have to take into the component of what was also happening during that time. Consumerism, seed oils, all the things that you take. your body and it essentially allows your it it creates a issue for your skin to do its job as a barrier so like certain food products affect your skin and your cells and your skin cells that don't allow it to protect you like it needs to same with certain practices like wearing sunglasses sunglasses vitamin d yeah it needs to enter your eyes it lets your eyes know like hey it's time to like prepare

your your shield better and that way we won't get burnt um i really don't get burnt um i really don't get burnt anymore. I'll get like a little pink on my nose and maybe my shoulders here and there. Like one time at the beginning of the summer, but I've definitely noticed also when I'm not drinking alcohol and I'm outside, don't get near as burn either. Damn it. Yeah, you're screwed. So for me, I burn. I don't tan worth a crap. When I put sunscreen on, I'm good. But what is, is it the seed oils most likely that do it? Like, so you don't burn. anymore. Why? Because you've cut out... I was also on birth control for several years. Okay. That's another component as well. You probably should get that up too. Yeah.

And think about how many prescription medications say like, avoid the sun or whatever. And it's like, well, then what is the active ingredient in this prescription that is causing your skin to not function like it should? Like, why aren't we asking that question? Yeah. Yeah. There is a great, there is a great bit. And I want to say it's George Carlin, but I don't think it is of a guy. and his, a bit in his stand-up is he just talks about a drug, and he just starts doing the side effects. And he just keeps going, and he keeps going, he keeps going. And then he gets to, he's like, and if blood starts to, you know, shoot out of your eyes, please discontinue use. If you're possible, like, possible heart stoppage is possible. If your heart stops, please, you know, please.

Yeah. If you're dead, just please stop taking it. It's just some random drug. But, if you i don't ever watch network television um but we were at we were at trish's fathers we were at trish's dad's place i think is where i saw this and he had on like um he had on like maybe it was cnn or fox news or whatever and every commercial is for a drug because they're their audience is older they're of the age and every one of those drugs holy mother mary the the side effects, you're just like, yeah, I want to be miserable. I should take this. I think I'll take my chances with, you know, it's like restless, restless leg syndrome. You know, take a pill for restless leg syndrome. And then it gives you the side effects of the drug.

I'm like, yeah, I think I'll just stick with tingly toes. I don't think I need all that shit. Right. Yeah. But that's the world we live in. Like these capitalism mixed with medicine and pharmaceuticals equals COVID vaccines. Well, right. Looking, yeah, it does, 100%,

but it's like they're looking for, they're looking for, it's like, your feet, you know, do your feet twitch? Yeah. We should come up with a drug for that.

You know, it's just crazy. Well, it's the same thing with like anxiety anymore. Our generation is addicted to anti-anxiety drugs. And I'm like, if you're not anxious at some points in your life, you're probably not living a very cool life. Like,

a cool life will produce moments of anxiety. If you're doing anything worth doing, there will be times that you will feel anxious. It is called being a human being. Quit prescribing drugs to people for normal human feelings. Like that one just pisses me off. I agree. I think like the other thing I think people always are like they get caught up on is like, I just want to be happy all the time.

I'm going to be happy all the time. It's a destination I want to get to. Like what do you want out of life? I just want to be happy, which is a great thing to say, right? I love it. But like, life, you're going to go through all different kinds of emotions. And like, happiness is never a destination. It's a feeling. You feel it in some instances. You don't. Anxiety. You feel, you feel anxious sometimes,

but anxious might be a good thing for what you need to get done. Stress, I hate stress, but stress is a good thing. Makes your ass do shit to get stuff done that you need to get done. And it's not like, we always put like negative connotations on emotions, certain emotions and positive on other emotions. And it's like sometimes negative emotions or might be what's best for you at the moment. And it's like you might need to feel those things to like get you out of the rut that you're in. And ultimately I feel like the pursuit of happiness never actually leads to happiness. No. It's one of the like, what's the word?

I'm having a girl brain fart. It's like the opposite of what you think. Like you're trying to pursue happiness and you will never actually. you hyper focus on happiness and you never get it. Well, it always comes at the expense of something. Like if, okay, something makes me happy, but it hurts my partner or it hurts my long-term end goal that I really want. Like, is happiness really the piece of chocolate cake in front of you?

Or is it like the ability to be hanging out with your grandkids when you're 85 years old and you're still in good shape? You know what I mean? Like the whole happiness thing, it's such a, I can't think of the word. What does that mean when it's like? You're asking too dumb farmer. too. So our farmer brain can't think of it either.

I'm having girl brain hard right now. But it's like the opposite. You're pursuing the wrong thing to gain it. And I think ultimately what most people are looking for, they think is happiness. But I really think it's just peace. I think having peace is what we really want. I think purpose and fulfillment is what my two things are.

Like if I am purpose driven and I do what I want, what I set out to do, I will be fulfilled. You know what I mean? And so like, I'm going to feel anger. I'm going to feel frustration. I'm going to feel stress. I'm going to feel sadness along that journey. But hopefully when I get to my deathbed or I'm sitting in that nursing home, I hope we figure out a better way to take care of old people than nursing homes by then. But when I get there, I hope that I feel fulfilled because I went after my purpose. Yeah. You know? Yeah, but to have a purpose and feel like you're chasing it. That's so many people don't even have that and they wonder why they're not happy. Yeah. I don't know. I just, that's kind of weird. We went on a weird tangent there. Not weird, but like

that's just something that in society that in culture, people just like, yeah, I think they hyper-focused on it. I think it's worth talking about it. Yeah. It is worth talking about. Sometimes we feel like we have to apologize for talking about things that matter. And that's something that our generation needs to get out of here. Like if it's important and it's real and it matters, don't apologize for talking about it. We don't always have to talk about the NFL. We don't always have to talk about the stock market. We don't always have to talk about those things. Like talking about human beings and what matters and what we're going to look back in 50 years from now and say, man, I wish I would have done this.

Talk about those things and don't apologize for them. Yeah. Well, wait. Now, if you two are going to start talking about feelings, I got to leave. You don't have any? Tork. Tork's just, he starts to get quiet with the Felix talking. I don't.

Okay. We'll have a whiskey later. He's bullshit. Yeah, he's bullshit. It's that generation though. That was totally like conditioned and near generation. Well, your dad was a World War II vet. So that didn't help your case.

Oh, yeah. Dude, that generation though, they saw so much shit. Yeah. I know. And then our generation is bitching about anxiety. I think it's so funny how so many people and I keep riding on our generation, I guess it's really not just our generation. But so many people just talk about like all the demons.

they battle and things like that. It's victim mentality. Your grandfather, like, didn't almost carry on your family line because he almost died on a beach. It's not demons you're fighting. You were just dealing with the consequences of making bad decisions in your life. Like, that's what it is. Stop victimizing things that don't deserve to be victimized. Have you seen that video of that trend of this woman's voice on TikTok or Instagram reels or whatever. And it's like, I'm just not feeling good today. And this woman, like, asks her all these questions. She's like, Did you get enough water today? No.

Did you get enough sleep today? No. Did you meet people? No. Did you talk to people? No. Did you go outside? Yeah.

Did you go outside? No. Hmm. I wonder why. And it's like, that's like, do people sit there critically and ask themselves, okay, why do I feel like shit? Yeah. Well, what have I done today?

Or what have I done the last week to make me feel like shit or make me feel like my life sucks? You can probably go down the list of. like, okay, well, probably was sitting inside for too long. Probably, yeah, my average screen time today was eight hours. Yeah, I should probably like go do something with my life. Yeah, I'm working a nine to five. It's pointless that they don't value me. And I barely make enough for my family. And I was like, yeah, I'd probably be stressed too. Yeah. So, I don't know. I say the same thing. Like grandpa, it's like, I'm sure grandpa was feeling a little bit anxiety sitting up in a fire plane,

you know, shooting at people. But that was probably good he was feeling that anxiety or that stress, you know. So, probably wasn't super happy, but it was probably good he wasn't feeling happy. Well, you know, but he was,

that whole generation was the, there were, every problem that I ever had as a kid. And I would say that he mellowed some. I was the youngest. Um, but every problem that I ever had, he would say to me,

well, can you do anything about it? So like, you know, if the, if a girl didn't talk to me or this has, happened or that happened, whatever it was. You know, and I was moping around and he was like, well, can you do something about it? And I'd be like, no. He goes, well, quit crying about it.

We got work to do. Come on. I mean, that was how it always was. And I don't remember what the issue was, but we had a family dinner. One of my brothers or both my brothers were back. And some, some like bombshell somebody was either getting divorced or somebody was whatever it was and it all came out at dinner and everybody went silent and I look at my dad it didn't work he's cutting a piece of he's cutting a pork chop or cutting a piece of meat he picks it up and he goes he takes a bite he goes boy that sure is good pork loin because he was not going to touch it it was going to be about feelings and he in his his mind, he was like, well, let's see, can I do anything about it?

Can I check? Yeah. Nope. I'm not going to touch it. Yeah, this is good pork loin. That's an inside joke now. It is. So in our family. That's a good piece of person. Yeah. That's good pork loin. If there's a text message that goes around and somebody's going through shit, one of my brothers will go, hmm, that's good pork loin. I like that. That is funny. Yeah. Okay. So we're kind of just going down this rabbit hole. What? Okay. So from your experience of just like kind of having this awakening or like not awakening but just like renaissance you've learned some shit by like kind of going against status quo like what are some things that people you you believe in your experience that you've tried what are some things that people can do in their lives that have

the best impact for their health or just how they feel every day that they can implement like today or tomorrow if they're listening that like you've seen i feel like so often people go towards like supplements and things that are sexy as to like, oh, if I want to feel better and I want to look better and all the things, it's like, honestly, run in the opposite direction and you're probably going to be okay. Like simple things, like getting outside and being in the sun for an hour a day, getting sunlight to actually go through your eyeballs. That's huge. Eating real foods, right?

Like not shopping in the middle of the grocery store, but on the outside, having a relationship with your local farmer or the locker, going to the farmer's market. Just real food. If it's a single ingredient, eat more of that. Like so many people want to say carnivore or keto or whatever, I'm very much so like I eat a lot of meat. I eat a lot of protein. But I'm not thinking about that. I'm thinking about is this milk one ingredient?

Is this egg one ingredient? This raw goat cheese that I'm eating. It's just raw goat cheese. Like it's not, there's not 17 other ingredients on a package. Simple things like that just make a huge difference. And I think because it's not branded and there's no company that's selling it to you and making it look really sexy, people don't think it'll work. And it's just like, do it for a moment. month, then get back with me. And it's just simple things, right? Getting enough sleep at night.

Like, we don't sleep enough in this country and we wonder why we're stressed. We wonder why we're anxious and depressed. It's like, when did you sleep good? Like, you're running around like a crazy person with this big schedule of things that you don't even care about. And you wonder why you're not feeling good. Like, are you sleeping? What are you eating? Simple things like that. Exercise? Yes. Big exercise. Lifting. I know, you can't really tell, but I do lift. I swear to goodness. I'm really into kettlebells. That's been my new thing.

Like, I started following a lot, I kind of fell more into like the mobility world and stuff. And kettlebells are just kind of a top notch tool to like have in your back pocket when it comes to lifting. They're just so diverse. You can bring them with you anywhere. Like you can travel with them. If you don't, you know, have a weight room or an area where you can do it at home,

kettlebells you can bring anywhere, right? And they're not loud and they're not going to cause an issue if you're in an apartment and you're dropping weights. Like, They're such a versatile tool. I've really been getting into kettlebells. And I love walking too. What about sauna cold plunge?

You do that, don't you? I've seen. I'm not against cold plunges. I do do them on occasion, but I don't think they are necessarily something that you need to be doing all the time. I think there is a happy medium with them, and it's just such a clickbaiting thing right now on social media. Everyone's like, oh, it's a cure all.

Just do more cold plunges. I'm like, what does cold plunges do to your body? What is happening inside the body? Yellow fat? Yellow fat, isn't it? Yellow fat? What's it called? Well, yeah, people say it.

Brown fat. If your fat's yellow, you've got a different problem. But right, like, what is actually happening biologically in the body is what people should be looking at, like, if this is something you should do. From a female, I'm very much so coming from a standpoint of like, men and women are different, right? We know this. But, like, how things affect a woman's body because our hormones are significantly different than you guys is takes into a count. If a guy can manage to do something and cold plunges affect his body and the outcome is X, Y, Z, fantastic. But show me this study where there was women involved.

Like most of the time, the scientific studies are men. It's like an 85% plus of these outcomes that you hear, you know, scientific Joe Rogan talks about and they're talking about this and that. Well, it was men in the studies. So when women do something, sure, we may benefit from some of those outcomes, but also what else is happening inside of our bodies. So I do like coal plunges for like recovery and I think it's okay for women to do it during certain phases of their cycle, not if they're trying to get pregnant, then that's like a whole another conversation. But I do love infrared saunas. I am a big, big advocate for saunas. Oh, I see I like her. I know. I want to like the hot. I like the hot. You got to get the

infrared though, the light. So what are you what are the benefits that you've seen from sonas? it's significantly cleared up my skin simply because like detox pathways through the body right we're consuming so much crap in today's society microplastics toxins chemicals all the bad stuff that's somewhat unavoidable if you're trying to not be an omish menonite individual or like live on the grid but then you're going to consume those your body has systems in place to get rid of those right your too big detoxing is sweating and shitting things out so like it's got to get out somehow by sitting in Asana, you're just speeding up that process and you're just allowing it to be a little bit more forceful. I'm not someone that sweats a ton per se. So like for me, Asana really helps

kickstart that detox pathway. So I just noticed better things in terms of like sleep, more energy, better recovery. My skin cleared up a lot. But my original intention when I started sitting in a sauna was because I was trying to help with my hormones because girls that get off birth control, basically super estrogen bound up because that's what they're taking. When they're taking a pill, they're taking fake estrogen. And it's just like getting trapped in your body. So like anything you can do to sweat a bunch is great for you. So that was like my original intention was just like, let me just go sweat and sweat and sweat and see if we can detox this and speed up this process. And it like, like, a hundred percent works. So I'm a victory. Okay. I like, well, hey, we've been thinking

about it like, you know, this whole cold plunge sauna thing. Like I'm sorry. What's a cold plunge bad? My thing is if we make money, if we ever make money someday, I'm a big, I want to invest in my health. You know, I want to have, you know, all the shit that we could do accessible to us so we could take care of ourselves. Because I don't want to be taking care of wiping your ass at 80. I want you to wipe your own ass at 80. So, yeah, yeah. You can appreciate them for that. Put it in the basement here.

Yeah, right. I know. We got to think of a better way about the whole nursing home thing. But he's just going to get me a pair of ass. Apple VR goggles. Yeah. And tell me that I'm wherever. And it'll be like, you join a hog barn.

I'll be like, see, we're just back home. I'm just going to give you the Biden treatment. Yeah. You go, dad. You'll give me that. Yep. Yeah. No, I could see that father's son like cold plunging and son.

Yeah. I think that needs to happen. Yeah. We could do a podcast from the cold plunge. Yeah. I was going to ask you that. grounding. Oh, yeah.

100%. Yeah. You were talking about shoes. I actually saw your story about shoes and how. And it's so funny because I have those like, like Nike gym shoes that have the like the balls of air in them like there it's not like a flat shoe it's like just probably the worst stable shoe you could possibly wear for your feet and I watch your story and I was like I probably have the worst shoes she's talking about right now but yeah so

what's like what's the deal with that like barefoot shoes yeah yeah yeah that whole thing well I mean look at look at your boots they're not even in the shape of like a foot like your foot is like wider at the top and then it narrows and then it like then it's your heel like we're literally wearing shoes that aren't in the shape of our feet and it's causing issues everything from the gate of how you walk to your lower back to your posture and there's just a lot of things that are out there that prove that like conventional shoes really aren't the best for us but yet that's what everyone wears and we don't even question it so I started uh just kind of delving into that world and I go barefoot a lot like I was that kid that just grew up doing the like gravel walk, you know, across the yard and been like, I'll build calicists in the summer.

It'll be fine. But yeah, it's just, it's just for like overall foot health. And then grounding is excellent for you. If you can just like be outside and actually stand on the earth and not have some barrier between your foot and the ground. Because the world has electromagnetic to it, right? We are electromagnetic beings. I know people that are super electromagnetic, they can actually like turn off street signs when they walk. by them. Like they have crazy amount of charge in them. Um, so there's just like health benefits to that

as well. Yeah. Well, yeah, I mean, it's crazy that you sit like when you think about it and you reflect. It's like, I don't even know when's last time my foot has touched grass barefoot. This morning for me. Oh, hey, there you go. Are you grounded to work? Yeah. So I try to do it. I don't do it good in the wintertime, but in the summer I try to get up in the morning, get my coffee, go outside, barefooted. Perfect morning for me, get my coffee, go outside, as the sun's coming up and staying in the yard and get your best sunlight.

Vitamin good, vitamin D for the first sunlight. See, he's boogie. Josh and me right now. I'm serious and shit. I learned that on some podcast. Huberman, probably. Yeah, it was Huberman. Make sure take your electrolytes before your coffee.

That's important. Yeah, okay. I was going to ask you about this. Salt water and water. You were doing great, but it can be. Oh, I tried doing the salt. Last year, I tried doing the salt water thing. The salt water.

with water. Is that legit? Like that's... Like Celtic salt. Yeah, yeah, yeah. C salt. Yeah. Because like normal table salt is ben iodized and it's just... The actual molecule of what it is is kind of garbage. So get good salt. But yeah, just sprinkle a little bit. And then everybody told me I had lead in it, a bunch of stuff. I told you to get Celtic. I got the bag of Celtic salt. I wouldn't do it. I didn't have that. But, okay, if you overly processed foods,

though, you should probably like chill on the salt then, right? Like... Oh, yeah, if you're eating at McDonald's all the time. Yeah. Casey's pizza, probably a little bit. sometimes you got to do what you got to do. But sodium is not the enemy. Yeah. That's another lie that they want to tell you. Yeah.

Well, hell, I think that was a good, that was a good, uh, yeah, I think that was great. I think I love, I love it because I think you need to ask. I think you need to ask. I love your morning routine by the way. Yeah. I love it. Can we do a reel of that? I don't think anybody wants to see that.

That would be funny. But really, I, I am lucky in the fact that I, I keep my hair short enough that I pretty much look the same at four in the morning. as I do right now. So other than my not being able to open my eyes maybe. But yeah, I try. Well, you know what? If I'm going to do anything good, it's got to be in the morning.

Because as soon as I, as soon as I either open email or go outside, all of my plans go to hell in a hand basket. Oh, yeah. Well, you got to know about Tor because he's a squirrel. So one project may get started, won't get finished, and he goes starts another one. or he's he does what he feels like he needs he wants to do so who balances that out then are you the one that like helps ground him and go hey uh i try my best i try my best because i yeah i do i do a little bit better job i'm like dad you got to sit down do this uh or i'll just do it risha this is but the

women in our lives this is a constant um conversation in fact this conversation happened literally today. Um, I, so I grew up, I grew up with my dad being the guy that I think, I think he always had it in his mind that he was short on time because I came along late in life and he actually started farming late in life because after the war he did a bunch of other stuff and then came home and started farming later. Okay. And so we were always in this like, there was just always so much stuff to do and we all worked all three of the boys worked and then when i got out of high school i was the i was his shadow i grew up riding on the fender and what are you going to do well you're going to raise pigs just like your dad so i was going to

raise pigs just like my dad and did that and then when when the the market changed and all that happened and i had to go get a job off farm because we quit Farrowan. So then we were still trying to farm and work off farm. So I've never had like one job ever. And then when I was doing a job off the farm and we decided we were going to start a family and redo a house, well, why would you hire somebody to do that? You know, just do it yourself. Yeah, do it while you have got all this time. Yeah, of course. And I just, I think that I have just conditioned myself over 53 years run on chaos to just kind of run on chaos. And the problem is that nobody else, everybody else in my life looks at it and they see chaos.

And I look at it and it's like, it's fine. So when I say, like, if I want to do, we should do a segment about bad, bad epitaphs, like what you have on your tombstone, like bad possible epitaphs for dad. So the most glaringly obvious quote, to be on my tombstone would be, it'll be all right. Because whenever stuff's just crazy. And so my wife, she does not do well with chaos. She likes order.

She likes order and she likes there to be a plan and she likes to make lists. And she likes to check things off. And most people are you agree each other. I make a list and then the list just gets longer and longer and longer. and then every once in a while I will double back and check like there's projects that only have one step left but it might take

it might take a year before you get back to do that so literally like the lights above the bar I told Sawyer I said I did that what three weeks ago three weeks ago except the cord to the lights have just has been hanging straight down and plugged into an out

plugged into an extension cord plugged into the wall because I haven't, I didn't run the wire down and run it and wired into an outlet. And so this morning, after a month, I said, oh yeah, Joy's coming. We got to get that shit done. So I came over there and did that. So I checked something off the list. But yeah, all that to say. Well, I was going to say, mom gets pissed when you say it's going to be all right. Oh, yeah, she does get pissed. But this, because she's like, Torque shut up. Because she has, so she has that need for security. So the easy, way I can give her some security, is tell her that it's going to be okay.

And I truly mean it, but you've said it so many times over the years. Yeah, it's kind of lost. It's losing its face value. Yeah. But it's up until this point, it's all been all right. So you're technically not wrong. That's right. That's right.

Yeah, you're a pure optimist. I mean, that's the end of day. Kind of the same way, a little bit. Okay, I want to get a woman's perspective because, you know, we're diverse on this podcast. we try to get, we try to get all kinds of walks of lives, but it's hard to get people into the barn in southeast Iowa. But we've only had one other woman come on the podcast,

so I want to get your opinion on it. All women are welcome, by the way. Thoughts on weak men in today's world. What do men need to do from a women's perspective to become men again? Desirable. Men again. In all caps. Yeah, there could be like, we could talk about that for days, kind of we? Well, we got time.

There's like an epidemic. There is. There's a lot of statistics out there that are kind of worrisome. It's almost pathetic. Yeah, I fully didn't grasp how bad it was until I got off birth control. And then I was like, oh, I see what's going on here. Like, we're

surrounded by weak men. And I think that was the point. Like, if you can make men weak in society and tell them that true, healthy masculinity is wrong and make them, like, be weak, it ruins the family, it ruins marriage, it ruins leaders in jobs, it ruins leaders in communities. It essentially is like the downfall of society, right? If you can destroy the man and make him as weak as possible,

it, like the butterfly effect that it has is phenomenal. Like it's, it's very, um, scary. It's very scary. Yeah. I think more often women just want, um, someone that's respectful and strong, right? We don't want tyrant. We don't need that. We already have those in the office, but like we need someone that is strong and kind of like what you think your wife wants, like secure, right? We want someone to be resilient and someone that like takes control of a situation, but isn't a tyrant. Like, I think I kind of have the idea of like lead me or get the fuck out of my way. You know, and so many women have reverted to that way of like, I'll figure out myself, strong independent women, right? that there's a whole movement, but it's kind of because we're having a hard time finding strong

man. Like I don't think it's a healthy movement by any degree of we don't need guys or anything. It's literally like been a survival tactic because so many women have been had bad experiences with weak men that they just hate on males. And it's like it's not the male popular. Like we need strong men because every girl that's been in a relationship with a weak man that is insecure and just has his own sets of issues, she will never forget that. And then whenever you are in a relationship with a strong, secure man, that's a leader and is truly nurturing in ways that men should be,

it's like a night, they're not even the same species. Like it's completely different. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think that's all great stuff. I think, I'm trying to digest all what you just said. I think on, on the extreme, what you have is there's some, women out there that take it to the extreme and say, well, all men are just bad. Right. And it's a feminist movement.

You know, we don't need men, whatever, right? Because they might have had a bad experience. And it's like everything on social media. It gets polarized, you know, big time. But I think it's, I think you're right. I don't know why right now there's just this, like, men just aren't getting out. What I'm just observing in like the stats that I've read is there's just not getting out and flying, you know, flying out of the nest and, like, getting their life started, right.

Like, they're just not doing it. And I don't know why. I don't know if it's because everything's just so easy and it's so easy to just door-dash your shit. Don't go get your own food, sit and be a consumer, you know, you know, the other part of it is. Don't have to go to talk ladies because they watch too much porn hub. I mean, being real, you know, like, is that what it is, is just over-consuming and just doing everything that's so easy that they don't. But you also have a whole generation of parents. I mean, it really, you boil it down, you really boil it down. And it is as simple as that great quote that I don't know who the hell made that quote,

but we've all heard it that hard times make hard men, hard men make soft times, soft times make soft times make soft times. Did I do that right? You did. Actually, you nailed it. So you have a generation of parents that grew up under tyrants. So my dad, I was at a men's group last night, and there was a kid there, there was a young man there. I was the oldest person there.

There was a young man there. And somebody was talking about that their dad had passed, and he said, he made, and this guy was glad that he was able to, have a conversation with his dad that he had never had, and they had some closure before his dad passed away. And this kid said, this man said that he was 11 years old when his dad passed away, and that, like, they didn't have that, and he has a lot of bad feelings about it, because his dad was not a very upstanding guy.

And I made the comment, you know, if my dad would have died when I was 16, I wouldn't have anything good to say, because we were like this. but I was blessed in the fact they lived to be almost 100 years old, and we farmed together for years and years, and I got to know him a whole different way, and that was amazing.

But, like, I did not want to raise my children the way that I was raised, as far as no carrot, just the stick. It was all stick all the time. But so as a result of that, you have people, you have families, and parents that have gone away from how they grew up. They, right, they took, instead of taking the best of that and tweaking, you know, not being so heavy on the discipline side of it, they went to where they're just complete buffers.

Like they want to, they want to buffer their children from any bad experience. And everything is a chance to build them up and nothing, they don't want them to fail. And then if they do fail, they don't, they downplay that failure or blame that failure on something other than the child. And so you have

a whole group of young men that have grown up with very little responsibility and have been praised at every participation troughs. And then they get to the real world and they're like, this is. Yeah, I think there's a lot of shit working against it. I mean, you got the school system, you got

participation trophies in sports. You got parents. You got big tech and just how everything is so easy to get and you don't have to like really work for anything anymore. You know, everybody's trying to look for the easy thing. That it's kind of all working against it. I don't know. It's just curious. You know, I just think about that, you know, weak men and I, you know, I try to take inventory on what, you know, how you can become a better man, right? Like, and I think that that conversation and more men need to have that. those conversations with themselves because if you do look at the statistics, it is a little concerning. It is a little concerning. It is. I mean, but we haven't had the hardship that certain generations have.

Until we have that, I think that will be like the character building that we probably need as a generation. Yeah. Unfortunately. Yeah. We got to hit rock bottom too. But at the same time, it's kind of like the girl's fault for some of the weak men in our generation because we're allowing it. Like if women would just put their foot down and stop dating losers, him, I'm talking to a lot of girls out there. Like, just quit dating the losers. Quit giving them the things that they want because they're losers. Like, a hundred years ago, those were the ones that, like, exited the gene pool.

Like, their genealogy stopped right there. Family tree. Yeah, like, if you've ever heard of this all the same, no wonder why. He was a loser. Like, he never found a mate, didn't procreate. So, like, women need to have some standards and realize that, like, no, we're, this is what I want. And this is what I'm not going, I'm not willing to give up. and then only hold that to the highest regard because if we keep dating losers and procreating

with them like yeah of course we're going to have an issue with weak men let's get rid of them it is it's literally the introduction to the movie idiocacy i have not seen this movie oh you've told the first five minutes so many times it's called idocracy it's called idiocracy and it has luke wilson's brother the dark-haired one not the blonde-haired one is luke the blonde i don't even know he had a brother yeah why am i blanking on who Luke Wilson is. He's the blonde guy that, oh yeah, he like talks like that. Oh, yeah. No, you're thinking Owen Wilson. Owen, yeah, that's what's Luke Wilson. His brother's name is Luke. That's our bad. Gotcha, gotcha. I was like, yeah. I was like, I know exactly here you're talking about. Okay, anyway, look it up and watch the first five minutes because it goes through that, it talks about what a

horrible, it's like in the future and there's no smart people left. It's literally idiocracy, because the whole world is run by idiots. And the reason is because they do this intro and how the smart people, the really, really smart people get so caught up on their own careers and their own past that one, they don't have children or if they have children, they only have one.

And then over here they have the idiots that have a wife and four girlfriends and they end up with, you know, it shows their family tree and it's just huge. And then they have these people with really high IQs. They have one child, and then that child

never finds anybody to marry. And it's obviously, it's done, it's hilarious, but it is so like, some days I feel like... That's what's happening. Yeah, I feel like it was kind of like prophecy. You're like, oh, boy, this is bad.

So anyway. Yeah. So, like, as a whole, like the dating pool, what do you think about, like, dating pool for our age group, young kids, our young people? I feel like hookup culture is terrible. for it. And like just from what my, my friends have talked to me about, you know, like,

you know, talk to them like, hey, you got a girlfriend. Yeah. Hey, how's it like, what has it going? These guys, they're, they're not weak men. Okay. The guys that I'm talking to, good friends with, like, they're, they got shit going for them. And it's like, on one side, I think there's a lot of weak men, but on the other side, like, I think hookup culture and like loyalty is an all, at an old time low because like dudes trying to find or just people coming together that stay loyal together trust one another and like want to build a life together I feel like it's at an all time low too it's like a rare thing it's like a rare thing now and that's like scary to think about too but every time I think about that same thing where it's like we're all the good men and we're all the

good women at I can think like I know so many good people like I don't want to discount the awesome people I know because when I think about like if there's a girl it's like oh there's no good men I'm just like dude I know 10 dudes that are freaking awesome like I grew up with these guys you know what I mean like I don't know where you're searching for these guys but like they're not in the bar here's your address like I know so many good people on both sides of the gender spectrum so I don't know if it's just like we're always looking in the wrong place or I think a lot of us are or a lot of people in our generation get almost like insecure about the fact that they're not finding someone and then they change who they are in order to try to attract a person,

but then it's the wrong person because you're not being yourself. So like just being an authentic person and sticking to your guns and knowing that like the goofy ass person out there that is meant for you will find you, but you have to be the goofy ass person yourself. Just be yourself. You'll attract the right person. And also I think so many of us want to get like get together at a young age. I'm listening to this audio book. I'm listening to this audio book. I was listening on the way here. It's about the core of discovery, like Lewis and Clark. Those guys didn't get married until they were older.

Like, I think everyone has it in their mind that everyone got married when they were 16 back then. Not Thomas Jefferson. He didn't get married until he was like 39 or something. Don't like quote me on that. I just listen to it just now. But you know what I mean? There's so many things where it's like, why do we think that we're supposed to find

our soulmate by 23 just because someone else did or do we have to find our person at 18? No, some people do. Awesome for them. They get to start their life with the love. the love of their life for the rest of their life, that's awesome. But like, if you have to wait till your, God forbid, 35 to find the right person, at least you found the right person, right? At least you didn't marry the wrong one and have to make a mistake and then find the right person and then leave this trail of destruction behind you. Like just wait for the right person that you're

meant to be with. It's worth it. Right. I had a cousin who literally just got married a few years ago. He was 40. Like him and his wife are freaking awesome. They're perfect for each other. Like they are such a cool ass couple. But oh my gosh, it was probably really hard for both of them to get to 40 and be like, man, is my person out there? Like, am I going to find that person? But like, neither of them had prior marriages or prior kids or anything because they knew what they wanted and they stuck to their guns. And we just have to have that mentality that like, these are my non-negotiables. This is what I want in a person. And they're out there. Yeah. They are. Amazon presents Jeff versus Taco Truck Salsa. whether it's Verde, Roja, or the orange one.

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Yeah. Or, you know, there could be complications. Yeah, right. That's the biggest thing. And that's a whole rumor too. I don't believe that at it. Like, to a point. Yeah.

I mean, I think both sides, men and women's infertility rates are increasing in this country. Yeah. But I know a lady who had a kid when she was 49. No complications. Like, her doctor was screaming at her because she was having a kid at 49. And she was like, I'm going to do it. and she had a kid at 49 at home and it's super healthy and she's fine. So like, I don't know. Is it another, another false claim that we believe in? Yeah. God, you're bringing

up all the questions today. You're bringing up all the questions. I like to provoke thought. Oh, that's good. This has been, I'm just going to be honest. This has been a great episode. This is exactly, when I, we're thinking about having you on, this is exactly how I was thinking this would, like, I was like, picture in my mind. We always talk about farming on here. And, you know, I love doing. in that. But the reason we call it barn talk is because we just want to have good ass conversations in a barn. It doesn't always have to be strictly agriculture. You know? And I love this fucking conversation right now because we're just, we're getting into deep shit and talking about it. And I like it. And your blood pressure is

yeah. No, no, I'm not. I have only, I'm just waiting for torque to like open up and start talking about emotions. Well, you almost got him when he started talking about grandpa. He was, he was getting there. He's on the fence. I can read you like a book. He knows. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I'm going to ask her. Yeah, you go. You go. In where you're at right now when you look back. So what, is there anything that absolutely has not gone the way you thought it would, but is a good thing? Nothing catastrophic. No trains exploding or anything. I definitely did not see myself going into agriculture that was kind of just like got you measured in it though i did yeah but i had full intention so

i went to demac right after high school because i had a bunch of college credits from high school and i was like i'm just going to get my two year and i had every intention of going out to north carolina to become a massage therapist okay i went visited the school went and looked at apartments i was like my german shepherd's coming like we're going to have a good time full intention and i had a heart to heart with my sister at the dinner table over her christmas break She was at Iowa State at the time. And I just was like, hey, I don't know why, but I just feel really called to go into agriculture.

Like, I don't know why, but like, would you be, like, willing to, like, take me on campus and show me around? Like, I, I did not want to go to Iowa State. When we dropped my sister off, I was like, this is too big, too many people. Like, I get the ick, like, not happening. And then I end up going to Iowa State for ag. So life is just kind of funny like that. And I think sometimes, I don't want to say destiny or fate, but I think when you're really

meant to do something. everything will funnel to that. And there's really no other way. Like you almost get boxed in. We're like, the only way is forward, I'm just going to go. So I didn't see myself going into ag.

And now I'm, I'm in love with conservation. And it's just kind of funny, all the people I've met along the way and all the different connections I've made and like the different passions that have grown from it. Yeah, so that wasn't like an original intention.

Nice. But no crazy train wrecks. Good. Well, that's a good thing. Yeah. I'm trying to think if I've forgotten. gotten any. I don't know. I'm one of those people where it's like if shit goes wrong, I just keep going. Like, you know, the explosions are happening in the background and you're just like, keep on going.

Get to the chopper. Yeah, exactly. I don't know. Okay. Not to go from that great subject to just terrible subject. But okay, what are your thoughts on the state of our country right now? I told you, I asked you before you came on the show. Might get a little political. Oh, yeah. You're cool with it. So I said, fuck it. Let's rip. So state of the country, how do we fix it? I got these sub-topics here. We got the Trump case. We got an open border. Your thoughts on the economy. Corruption, term limits. All the above. Like, what are your overall thoughts of just like young person right now in America? What are you feeling? What are your thoughts on just the political landscape of where we're at? I might like totally take a turn on this. Okay. You guys know anything about like prophecy in the book of revelation in the Bible? Yep. So it's a very weird book, right?

You're reading it and you're like, what in the... Scares the shit out of you. Chronicles on Narnia is this. Like, what is going on here? I truly believe that like, first of all, our country's just going in a terrible direction. We know that. We have just all sorts of messed up. We're celebrating sin.

We have a geriatric lizard from outer space in the Oval Office. We just have all sorts of terrible things going on. Climate change is happening. I know that's like a buzz topic word and people always want to hate on farmers for that. And I'm like, no, I like, we have so many things going on that are affecting the natural rhythms of our ecosystems and those are going in a poor direction as well. So like a lot of things are going really bad right now in this world. I don't think anyone would disagree with that.

I think it's going in the wrong direction. But ultimately from a biblical perspective, if you read the book of Revelation and you look at what's happening in the end times, there is no USA mentioned. Like some people will argue that, but in my opinion and what I've read and what I've had conversations with with my mom, because she's very much so into that topic, is there is no USA. So like we don't exist at one point. The World Economic Forum is trying to make us a one-world government. So like they want to take over so that there is no USA, there is no patriotism, there is no democracy, all the things that we love. and all the things that make the USA.

You will owe nothing and you'll be happy. Exactly. Like that is what is going to happen. And so many people are completely ignorant to it. So many people, they don't follow the news, which I don't blame them. I really don't try to either. They don't see what's happening. They don't see that these decisions are being made for us from people that we're not even

electing. I was just listening to, oh gosh, I don't even know what it was, but it was talking about how they are meeting the EU and the World Economic Forum and the WHO and yada, yada, are all trying to make a, they're not calling it a treaty or an accord. They're calling it something to be tricky, but it's essentially saying that like if a pandemic were to ever erupt again in the world, that they would be able to make decisions for our country that would, yeah, completely affect the entire world.

So even if we're electing Kim Reynolds as our governor, and even if we're electing certain politicians in place, none of those people will have any say if there were to be like another COVID. And there's so many things like that that are happening that aren't talked about on the news, right? We're watching funny memes instead. We're watching, you know, Biden shit his pants on live television, whatever it is. Like, we're so distracted. Oh, my gosh.

Holy cow. You could just dub that, like, dub your voice on her face or her face on your voice. I mean, that's like, that's a Sawyerism right there. It's true, though. It is a thousand percent true. It's the whole Roman circus thing of, like, just keep putting. on television shows, keep making movies, keep putting things in front of their face, social media included. And then they won't worry about these other things that are like ants. They're like,

we're like, we're peasants to them. We're literally selling our freedom to people overseas that we did not elect, that we did not put in power. And they will be making decisions that can affect all of us. And we're just okay with it. Like it's, it's happening before our eyes. And it's really upsetting. And I do think that we should fight back as Americans and like we have freedoms in place where we should be doing something about it. But ultimately, I feel like I just kind of have the peace. And maybe peace is kind of a weird word for it. But I think I just ultimately have the piece that like, we're not going to make it. Like if you don't have a biblical perspective about the world, I can see why you would be freaking out and why people would be so concerned. Like, we're going to have a civil war and

we're going to have all this stuff. Yeah, probably. In the end, there is no us. There is no USA. say. So something happens. I don't know what gets us. I don't know if it is just like a one world government. I don't know what exactly is going to happen. But we're not going to be here. And I hope we're all in heaven having a good time up there. Yeah. Right. Amen to that. That is a good. That's an interesting perspective. Go ahead. It is. It's different because so many people would be like, well, it's going to be a world war. Yeah, probably. Yeah. But what are we going to do about it? Yeah. Yeah. Right. Because the powers that be will always be the powers that be. And evil reigns pretty freaking hard anymore in this world. Not saying we shouldn't fight back and not say we

shouldn't stand up when evil does come confronting us. But I don't know. Yeah, that's hard for me because I, you know, I'm a religious person. I'm a Christian, right? But, and I, you know, I understand that that is coming or that is going to come at some point. It's just hard for me to think that that's going to happen in my lifetime. You always think that's, right, right, right, we don't. We don't. We could be in nursing home getting my butts wiped. Right, right. And then you're like, well, it's all right. It'll take me. Yeah. My grandkids are having fun and more. Like, we don't know when it's going to happen. It's just hard because I, I feel like I want to fight. Like that, you know, on this podcast, like our last episode, we talked about Trump's verdict. And I got pretty passionate about it because I was like,

we got to stop just getting punched in the fucking face. Like, when are we going to like rise up and like say this enough's enough? Like, fight, you know? It's just hard to like, come to terms with even if you fight, it might not be worth it, you know. But coming back to the whole weak men thing. Yeah. What are we going to do, a generation in a society of a bunch of weak men that are being told they can be women and take hormones to quite literally change the biology of who they are to the core?

Are we going to fight? Like, how many, have you held a sword? Like, what are you going to do? Do you do? Like, you know what I mean? Some of people don't even shoot guns anymore. It's just like, man, like they wanted to make us weak and they did. so that when this opportunity comes knocking at our door, which it is right now,

we won't do anything. What are we going to do? Yeah. What are your thoughts on that? Wise man. Well, I think that two things, I think two things are true at the same time, which is to say that I agree with you 100%, there may not be anything that we can do about it from a long-term perspective.

And I totally agree that the world, there are powers at play within the world that have decided that democracy is a nuisance. And they've been fighting that for a long time, basically since the end of World War II that's been going on. And what they've decided is, rather than kill democracy with the sword, we're going to kill it with bureaucracy. Because we have four million government employees that are not elected. They are appointed and they have those jobs for life. And all we keep doing is shuffling the pieces at the top that don't actually move the needle very far. And I'm very hopeful that we are going to have an election that. that we roll back some of what has happened.

But the odds of having that, you need like 12 years. You need like 12 years of conservative politicians to... I would just say freedom fighters, because you could get a piece of shit conservative just as much as you could. 100%. Rhinos exist.

Yeah. But, so that's, I don't see that happening. Happening. But everything else we've talked about, about people that are waking up that we can't trust this and we can't trust that and that want to raise their own food and they want to know how to change the oil in their car and they want to know how to butcher a pig and they're not going to take that pill or they're going to quit taking that. this i i would say that and you said that we talked about this i think that they definitely overplayed their hand at covid at least in america a thousand percent did i don't think that and that very well may be why their goal would be to get the bureaucracy of the world economic forum to where they could take the decision making away from politicians because they already know we

They know they overplayed their hand. And I don't think Americans will buy it again. I hope not. So I don't know if there is a... I believe they won't. I don't know if there's a renaissance to be had between the time before the jig is up. But I would say I'm more optimistic today than I was maybe a year and a half ago.

Just because there are more and more people every day that are waking up. I mean, even people like, look at Bill Maur. I don't agree with him with a lot. But that guy, I mean, died in the wool, straight 100% lib. Even he, after COVID, he had to like, he had an awakening. Now, to what degree I don't know. But there's a lot of people like that. There are a lot of people.

And Biden has overplayed his, the Democratic Party overplayed their hand with Biden also, because he's so weak and so inept that lifetime Democrats are waking up and being like. And another thing that I, and we talked about this last week, minorities in this country can identify with Donald Trump. Way more than that. Way more because he has a shared experience with the American judicial system that a lot of minorities in this country have someone in their family or a neighbor they know that they feel like were mistreated, ramrodded, whatever, treated unfairly by the system. And now

then you have a guy that's running for president that has the same experience. And I know that the political machine did not, they never thought of that. Like they literally never thought of that. Because they're not, they, and they're like, holy shit, that is way, that is a bad idea. Yeah. So, um, and I agree with. you. At the end of the day, what's going to happen is going to happen. And none of us are, uh, none of us are going to change the tide of what has already been set by the Lord. Right. Yeah. I agree with that. Ultimately. Yeah. But I feel like that always just sounds so like, well, you're not just not going to do anything then. And it's like, no, I'm not going to not do

anything. You're not going to just roll over. I have an understanding of peace of like the, long-term outcomes, I guess you could say. That's probably good. That's actually probably really good to have that because you probably feel less of the anxiety, panic or anything. Yeah. Peace is a good word for that. Well, I think so many people want control and they want to have a handle on everything.

And it's like, control what you can control. And don't be anxious about what you can't control because that will just send you in a spiral of just not feeling good in your day-to-day life. So like control what you can control. and then let fate kind of be fate. I would like to see a, I would like to see a Trump bootstomp election just because I want to see the blood shoot out

of all of the major media outlets on election. Yeah, it would be just like, that was so enjoyable to watch when Hillary got beat. I loved it. I loved it. I watched those clips for weeks. It was the best. I want to see it again.

I want to know. what will happen though because this fall i don't think either side will be able to accept the outcome of the other oh i agree really curious to see you know what i mean because like one thing i think too here in the midwest we're farmers we're so docile like we don't really get too overly worked up and want to point a musket at someone you know like we're just like we like to mind our own business and do our own thing but like you go to the south oh my gosh they're still worked up about the last selection like they it was still work there's past they're still worked out of about the war of northern aggression yeah exactly like i literally i literally ran into a guy on a construction site in like 2008

just walking through there run into this guy i go hey how you doing and as he walked past he i heard i didn't understand it at first but then i like thought about it he goes whatever fucking yankee I was not like way in southern Missouri either. And I thought about that for a minute. And then I asked one of the guys that was the owners, I said, is that about parties like, oh yeah,

there's people down here that still call it the War of Northern Aggression. That's hilarious. So yeah, they don't forget. They do not forget stuff. So they definitely have not forgotten that. No, like they,

yeah, they're still pretty pissed off about it. I'm not like we aren't, but do you know what I mean? Like one way or the other, how the outcome of his election goes. I don't think either. side will accept it. And that's where it's like, well, then what happens?

What happens? Yeah. All I, the thing that I go back to and I think about this a lot is I am incredibly thankful that I don't live on the East Coast or the West Coast or a very large metropolitan city. Because all of these, all of these pieces that are in motion, um, as the fabric of society pulls apart. And the problem is so much of these areas are so dependent upon our social programs. And this idea that we could just print money until the cows come home, at some point, you can't. And when that happens, that's what you really got to watch out for. Because people that are used to go into the trough and then suddenly there's no trough

become desperate like that. Yeah. And you can't blame them. They've been trained for generations. And... When they go to the grocery store, there's food in the grocery store. Yeah.

And then when they go in there and there's no food in there. Yeah. What are they going to do? Yeah. That's scary part about it is you got three days. Trucks don't show up for three days.

Shit's going to go south. Yeah. Big time. But here in the Midwest, I think we know how to take care of ourselves. No, we do. And that's, thank goodness we haven't lost that. Yeah, I'm glad to be where I'm at. Yeah.

I am too. Real glad. I love this state. Yeah, I do too. I love Iowans. God. Like, I tried to fight it so hard growing up because it seemed like everywhere else was cooler than Iowa.

You know, Colorado had the mountains. And then California had the beaches. And you're just like, why did I get born in Iowa? And then now as like a young adult, I'm just like, I'm never leaving. Yeah. I love this. I'll go visit, but I'm coming home. That's kind of where I'm at.

It's a good place to call home. Okay, well, we're going to get a wrap it up here, but I just want to ask you maybe one to two more questions. So what's next for you? Like, you look out of joy of all trades in your life, not to get philosophical, but like, what's next for you? What are you thinking? Oh, gosh.

Like, in terms of career or just... I don't know. How about all of that? honestly I have like my you know goals or what you think you want like my tentative five year my tentative tenure but then things just change really fast where different things come up like if you would have told me five years ago that I wanted to homeschool my kids someday I would have been told you absolutely not like that's what the public school system is for and now I'm like hell no I'm raising my children someday they will be under like I'm like I'm

I'm raising my own babies. Ain't the system doing it for me. So I don't know. Long term career-wise, I don't know. I like conservation and ag. I'm very passionate about it. I like conservation and wildlife too. I think those are just things I'm passionate about.

So I see maybe a career and overall purpose going or trending in that direction. But I like doing a lot of different things. So I've always kind of struggle with that of like in the nine to five world. Like you're going to do one thing. and this is all you're going to do. And I'm like, well, I like 30,000 things. So, like, I can't just do one. I'm not built that way.

I'm never going to be that way. So just think of, like, what I'm going to end up doing in five, 10, 15 years. I'm like, I don't know. Hopefully everything. Yeah, you're just going to run with it. Yeah, I'm totally going to run with it. And I'm going to do it semi-fearilessly. You're going to do it your way.

Yeah. And just see how it goes. Yep. So I don't know. Stay tuned. Yeah, I like it. Well, we'll be, hey, we'll follow at joy. of all trades, everybody, if you got any value from the show, and you want to see how that all pans out for,

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And I think that's why your opinion is not talked about enough, but I think it's a good one. I think it's one that more people should probably hear so that they do feel a little more like at peace today. I need to market it. Do their little? Make it a little more sexy and then people watch you listen. That's right. So like they sell supplements.

That's right. Yep. Okay. Well, did you get all your words out? I always have words, but I think so. Okay. Well, we appreciate it, Joy. Thanks for coming on the show. We really do appreciate it. It was a pleasure. If you guys got any value, follow Joy at Jack of all or what is it? Joy of all trades. Joy of all trades. Joy of all trades. We just talked about birth control. Share the show, leave your review, buy some meat at Farmergrade.com, and we'll see you back here next week for another episode.