BEING HER with Margarita Nazarenko - 98: How I Lost 10kg: My Weight Loss Journey After 2 Babies with Stephanie Malouf

Episode Date: February 2, 2025

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When women come to you, what do you find is the biggest misunderstanding? I'm very against the whole calorie counting, cheap meal kind of mentality. I'm not about it. And that's why I think my approach as a nutritionist is more around mindset and healing a relationship with food rather than focusing on calories. The role of motherhood is like a lot more is expected of you than it was maybe in the past. As my mom says, I mean, she raised four kids and I, I, I, don't know how she did it, you know? We didn't have the structure and these sleep routines

and all these like things that we have to follow which create so much. They're great. I love structure. That was really changing for me when you told me that I could have, you know, those vessels almost because it kind of simplified because you can put tuna. Energy is the currency of life. Like energy is so essential. So when you have toast for breakfast and little protein, your energy crashes quite quickly. Whereas you go for something like a high, fat high protein breakfast, which I know you're really into the high fat, high protein, you are full for hours and your energy is stable. You don't think about it. It's really cool to have you here because I run content that is about relationships, you know, confidence and all this stuff. Do you know what

gets asked of me more, almost the same level as relationships and confidence, is weight loss and how I look and what I've done after kids. You look very good. And the reason I wanted to have you is because you have a hand to play in my journey, but not only that, I think you've got an understanding of like why it's such a big conversation. Why do you think women are struggling with it? I think we've been fed the wrong narrative for most of our lives. I think people's idea of how to lose weight is wrong. It's a very restrictive, limited, boring approach. And as a result, it drives women into this yo-yo dieting pattern. It's not sustainable.

And so they're constantly looking for the next best fad diet or method that's going to work for them. But they never work. I remember I had my second baby and I was like, I'm ready to just, it's not even about weight. It's just feel confident in my body. I can feel I'm carrying extra weight that I don't want to be carrying. You might look good with that weight. Someone else might, but I didn't want that. And it's so strange because I'm a logical person.

I know how things work. but you feel so lost when it comes to weight. Where do you think that comes from? When women come to you, what do you find is the biggest misunderstanding? I think there's just so much, and this is what my clients tell me, there's so much conflicting information out there. And now that we have access to things like, you know, Instagram and TikTok, and there's a lot of people that aren't qualified,

dishing out a lot of advice, you know, health coaches, and it's confusing. And I think also what we need to understand is that there's not this one-size, it's all, but it's very scary. Some of the diet advice that's being put out there and quite frankly it's wrong. You know, I'm very against the whole, you know, calorie counting, cheap meal kind of mentality. I'm not about it. And that's why I think my approach as a nutritionist is more around mindset and healing a relationship with food rather than focusing on calories.

It's so tiring thinking about food. I know probably to like an average person, maybe a man, they won't get it. But as a woman, you focus so much on it. I have my whole life just from, you know, always being on camera. You see yourself, you're like, oh, I don't look good there. I don't look this. I don't look that. I need to adjust that.

We have babies. Then, you know, my DMs are flooded with women being like, oh, but how do you lose those extra pounds? It's like the vanity 10 pounds or something. Well, I don't know what they're called, but it's just like you're not extremely overweight or anything. It's not like a health issue, but you just want to feel better. So before we dive into all the things that I want to talk about,

can you give me a little background on how you came to work in this field? Sure. So, I mean, my background, I did business. When I was out of school, I went and studied business and, you know, I didn't know what I wanted to do. So that just seemed like the most logical path for me. And I worked. I did so many different career paths and, you know,

tried so many different jobs and which was frustrating because I was so, So I'm such a passionate person and I'm very hell-bent on finding my passion. Anyway, so I was living in New York. I was single. I was having a while time. But my health was just not great. You know, I had eczema. I had severe digestive issues.

I just couldn't go to the bathroom for like a week. And I think that was my main focus because it made me feel awful. And I would go and see. specialist after specialist trying to work out how to fix my digestion. And I would just be fed the same thing. It just eat more fiber, you know, $350 later. Thank you. And I just got a bit over it. And I knew that there was something bigger there. So I just started my own research and I just read books after books and I just found myself, that's what I did in my spare time. I loved it. And that's what then made me think maybe this is the path for me. So I went and when I, I, I, I,

left New York, I came back home, I started a degree in health science and here I am and I absolutely love it. And when I started out, I don't think it was my weight loss wasn't going to be my niche. I didn't think that that's what it was. But that found me. Why? I guess it's the biggest thing that people struggle with. And when I started out, it didn't really interest me because I found it a little bit one dimensional, but I realize it is absolutely not. It's actually a really complex and individual thing and I think a lot of it comes down to, you know, mindset and someone's relationship with themselves, you know, and the relationships around them and their limiting beliefs. And so that's where I love what I do because I don't, it's not a copy paste or

cookie cutter kind of approach for me. I really treat the individual. and understand them what's important to them and what drives them. And that's what creates a lot with me. And you were talking a lot more about the mindset that I have around weight and body image and things. And you were also very compassionate and you were like, you've just had a baby, calm down. You know what I mean? And sometimes weight loss is about acceptance of an appreciation of your body. Do you have any thoughts about spiritual reasons for, you know, how your body manifests maybe,

I don't know, eczema or weight gain, for example. I don't know. People say like you've got weight because you're trying to protect yourself from the outside. Well, do you believe in that? Absolutely. Okay, talk to me. I've talked to a lot of clients, you know, about this. And that's why you've got to delve deep and you've got to get vulnerable.

You have to be compassionate with your clients. But otherwise, they're not going to open up. And vulnerability is everything, right? It's how you connect with people and get to the core. And trauma. I mean, we hold trauma in our bodies. it manifests its symptoms. I mean, there's a great book. Your body keeps a score for anyone that wants to read deeper about it. But, you know, at the end of the day, it holds stress in our

body when we're, you know, sad or we're anxious or we're depressed. I mean, let's be real. Food is a dopamine trigger. And people find dopamine hits through various ways, whether it be drugs, whether it be alcohol, whether it be social media. whether it be food and that's what I, you know, work with clients on. And when you heal that and when you're ready to address that and when you're ready to recognize that, it's amazing what shifts. It's not just the utility of weight loss. It's also like a mindset because I found with myself as satiric as this sounds,

but I found the moments where I am not lacking control, that's a bad way to phrase it, but moments where I eat whatever it is and I'm just stuffing my faces is when I almost need grounding or I want to be heavier in life because I feel maybe unstable. Yep. Even down to things like that. And it's like letting go of weight as opposed to losing it. Yeah.

You said that, didn't you? That's it. That's it. It's letting go. But it's also, you know, changing your perspective on why we eat. Yeah. You know, food is medicine. When you focus on foods that make you feel.

good, you look good. That's my belief. And so in order to feel good, we have to eat wholesome, nutrient-dense foods that are going to fuel us. And I think when you're addressing, looking at food from a weight loss approach, this is where a lot of that diet foods come in, you know, processed foods, you know, diet drinks that are, they're not in a form that the body understands and recognizes. So when you eat these foods that are man-made or contain a lot of food.

lot of chemicals, it slows your system down. And this is what we need to, you know, I try to now, I'm teaching my clients to change a perspective on how to lose weight. It's just eat real food and focus on foods that make you feel good and it will follow. When I see your profile and when you came recommended to me, it was almost like breath of fresh air. It's hard to explain, but I was like, oh my God, it's not. So count these calories and then you can have this and then you can have a cake. That's like, I go on. It's exhausting. Yeah, it's so exhausting. I go on TikTok because that's where I make content a lot. Yeah.

And I don't necessarily consume this content, but it makes me pause. And it's like, if you can have this chocolate bar, you can also have this. And I'm like, oh my God, I don't want to count this stuff. It kills me. It kills me. And I like, who has time for that? Can you imagine? And I'm, we're busy enough.

And I think it takes, for me, it takes the enjoyment out of eating. And this is the thing. It's like, yes, it's so consuming when you're thinking about your diet because we have to, we're face food how many times in a day, right? So if you're constantly consumed by, is this going to make me fat? You know, how many calories in this? Do I need to track my, you know, my fitness power? Like all the stuff, it's had just so much energy.

And, you know, I think we need to. I mean, I'm my background. I'm Greek, Lebanese. Everything is around food. It's what brings people together. It's meant to be so much pleasure and enjoyment. And when you are consumed by that, you can't enjoy it. So I love that philosophy.

I think let's do the. walking through the myths. Let's go calories. Let's see I've got some weight to lose or I don't feel good on my body. Am I counting calories? No. Well, look, okay, yes, calories matter, but the problem is

you're assuming with that ideology or sorry, with that theory that all calories are created equally. And they're not. The fat from a Mars bar is not, doesn't function in the body the same way as fat from an avocado. So, you know, if we looked at that, we can't assume that all things are equal.

Therefore, it's about the quality of your calories. I eat more than I, you know, ever did. It's just I'm eating more quality foods. Yeah. So what happens if you don't count your calories? Will you over, is there a potential to overeat and gain weight or does your body regulate better? Like, how does it work if you're not counting? Yeah, good question. And when you... I'm asking with the girl who? who's watching this and she's always counted and she's like, wait, if I stop counting, I'm going to, you know. There is a science to it and there's an art to it.

And that's is what I teach my clients. However, when you understand how to build your macros on your plate in a correct way, then your hormones regulate properly and your body tells you when you're full and it will tell you when you're hungry. And with that, you're likely not to gain weight. So what is the method? What is the macro method that you go through? And in very simple terms, you know, obviously this will vary depending on what stage you're at, you know, for your premenopausal, whatever. But generally, the focus of our plate or the biggest portion of our plate should be vegetables, right?

Your non-starchy vegetables, things like baby spinach, broccoli, cauliflower, cucumbers, capsicum. I mean, the list is extensive. So not potatoes, not all of that stuff, yeah. Despite, I mean, when we were growing up, it's changed. Yeah. But the nutrition pyramid. Yeah. Do you remember that?

Yeah. And what was at the bottom? All the carbs. Right? Yeah. All the carbs. Yeah. And I can't read it's like cereal boxes.

Yeah. Cereal boxes bread. Right. I mean, come on. Like it's changed now and there's fruit and veggies on the bottom. But yes. Thank God. Yeah.

Yeah. I figure. So we can eat fruit. Apps. I love fruit. Okay. I love fruit. Because there's a whole too much sugar.

If you eat a banana, there's all this sugar, sugar, sugar, sugar. Okay. So when I'm dealing, I have a client. coming to see me that has insulin resistance. And, you know, of course, you can't treat everyone the same. When it comes to my kids, they eat an abundance amount of fruit. Yes, we need to control the amount of fruit and there's different levels of sugar content in fruit.

So I generally do focus on the lower to medium. Exactly. Your berries, your oranges, your kiwi fruits, mandarin's, pears, whole fruits always, right? I'm not a fan of juicing your fruit. Blend the fruit, no? Yeah, you blend the fruit, but not too much. you are also breaking down the structure. Okay.

So the whole thing around, you know, juicing your fruit versus eating it is when you have the structure intact, you've got the fiber, it changes the way it breaks down and digest. And it's more slow and steady, which means the sugar is released more slowly and steadily. When you juice it, you're basically extracting all the fiber or the structure out of it. So the sugar digest and spikes you very quickly. Yeah. That can likely cause more weight gain. Smoothies less than, especially when you're combining it with protein and fats, like protein powder,

almonds, but again, you know, it all comes down to how you're combining your macros as well. Okay. How about bread? Can we have bread? You can have bread. Yeah. But in my opinion, it is not a staple. It shouldn't be had breakfast every single day. Yeah. Especially when you are a woman in your, you know, 40s. It's just we become more insulin resistant as we age. So these foods are very insulin spiking. Yeah. So I also hear this and I was going to talk about the, feeding the kids and all this at the end, but I'm going there now. A lot of women say, oh, but I'm a busy mom. I'm not going to make different meals for myself if I already made my kids something. And the first thing that comes up for me is like, why are you making your kids

something that you would not eat for your own health? And I get it because I've got two kids and maybe they want chicken nuggets. Ironically, mine don't for some reason. That's good. Okay. He doesn't want it. But why is it that you would, why do women fall in that trap of buying kiddie foods? They want their children to eat. And so they just give them and they don't want the battle, which I get. But they don't know what they don't know. Like, in my opinion, my kids are incredible eaters. And I don't necessarily think it's by chance.

They just haven't been exposed. No, it's iconic. I go on your Instagram and I'm like, look at him eating just like zucchini, you know, lamb, whatever. But they, look, yes, it takes work, but it's what I value. It's what I prioritize. They get a prepped meal, breakfast, lunch and dinner. Like for breakfast this morning, they had over an, night oats with chia seeds and yogurt and, you know, coconut and heaps of, you know, goodness,

but I made it last night at 9.30 last night, you know, that's what I prioritise because I prioritise my family's health. And I understand it's really hard when you are working and you're busy. I get it. But if you buy them the frozen package, fish fingers, whatever, they're going to want it. And it's very hard. The older that they get, the more they know it's really hard to then, you know, say no. Yeah, I have it. So they're sitting down, they're having the cheer seeds. Do they ever say like, no, I'm not having it? And what's the case if that happens? Look, I want them to, you know, have autonomy and what they want to eat, but they can absolutely say no. I never force my kids to finish what they, you know, what's on their plate. I never force them

to eat at all. I do say try it. Try it for me. If you don't want it, you don't have to eat it. And And often, like, it's just, I think that they're at the age. I mean, my boys are two and three. It's all about modeling behavior. So they want what I want or they eat what I eat. So that's what I focus on. You know, yesterday I was eating chia seeds in water. It's, guys, if you want, you don't need to spend hundreds of dollars on supplements

to get your digestion optimized. I mean, chia seeds in water every day is. Is that the thing? Best thing. Oh, okay. I don't know that. Yeah. What is your thoughts on supplements?

come back to the kids. I love supplements. They were. I'm a big, I, I, you should say my supplement, you know, covered. My husband and I take them, but I don't believe that you need to be on something for the rest of your life. I think health is a moving target and I focus on certain supplements to support me based on where I'm at. But first and foremost, you're going to be eating the foundation is diet. Yeah.

You can't just take a pill and think that it's going to solve all your problems. Yeah, you can't have a McDonald's burger and take the pill. Right. So they see you drinking the cheer seats and they want to try. Okay, what happened? Mommy, I'm on some and I never get to finish anything because, yes, my breakfast this morning. I mean, I love that. Yeah.

And so I also saw on your Instagram you sit them facing each other and not a television. Yeah, and look, I, for a while there, they were watching TV and I do understand the importance of mind bleeding. And it just was a bit of a reminder. I'm like, what am I doing? So I do. I try to always encourage these practices that I teach my kids. clients that we should always be following. You know, don't eat standing up and, you know, I want you to focus on your food.

So I do that because I also think it encourages them to eat. You know, they copy each other, especially my little one copies his big brother and his big brother is a very, very good eater and eats everything. So I feel like, you know, they feed off each other. But yeah, I prefer them sitting and encourage. And they have conversations. It is so cute. I mean, I've got so many recordings.

of them having, you know, conversations. Because I've fallen in the trap, turning on the TV when they eat because... They sit. Yeah, they sit and they consume the food. But what I'm never to be teaching them is too mindlessly eat. Look, we got to do what we got to do, you know, and I don't worry, I have been there so many times. And maybe it's this stage that they're out when they were little. It was definitely a lot easier.

But all I say is just give to go, you know, give it a week. And, you know, if it works, it works. But I think, you know, we can't always, we're going to, you know, like my son is now asking for TV a lot more. And I'm like, I want to be that mom that's like only on weekends. But sometimes I'm just like, you've got to do that so that I can get this done. Yeah, this done. I know. Right.

I saw this thing yesterday. And I was like, this is iconic, but I don't know if I can do it. They said, you know, the mom shouldn't be entertaining the kids. And I'm like, but what, what do you do then? And this child psychologist goes, the TV should be the mom's life, as in you get on with your life and they could observe you. You're doing the laundry. You're doing the cooking.

You're doing the thing. And they just observe you. And I'm like, but a lot of time I'm working on my phone or computer. So what are they going to observe me doing this? And that's great because maybe they're learning from that. But it's hard in the modern world. I understand in this kind of like tribal living that we all hold up so high as iconic that we'd be doing the thing and they just watch us do the thing. you know, looking after the animals or whatever it is,

but now life is so sedentary and computer-focused that you've got to entertain them. You know what I mean? It's hard. And God forbid, they say us on our phones, right? We're not allowed to be on our phones. Nope. I mean, I had this nanny recently. I was, as you know, covering from a surgery,

so I couldn't lift my kids for six weeks. So I had some extra help. And I love being with my kids, you know, just because I have some help there, an extra set of hands doesn't mean that, you know, I palm them off. always and she said to me we went to swimming lessons and I couldn't do much but I was there and I was doing some work on my phone and she said oh if you want me to take your kids to swimming

lessons I can take them to swimming lessons I was like oh yeah it's okay I'm I'm happy to come you know I want to be with them she's like no no like if you need to work it's fine I can take them and I'm like no I'm happy and she said but if you're going to be on your phone anyway and I I mean yeah oh yeah I'm like I have goosebumps yeah I don't. Did you do violence? I mean, very close. I just stopped.

I took a breath and I said, what did you just say to me? I said, you know, we're a young family. Yeah, and I need to do what I need to do to make and meet. And I want to be with my kids. So, you know, thank you for, I understand. And look, I get it. I get it. But like we're...

I'm the same. I go swimming lessons. I answer some emails. I'm there. I'm trying to interact. I'm trying. Better way there than not, right? You're evil, nanny.

Oh, yeah. I was like, she really. really, really pulled me up in a lot of my parenting, you know. Really? Oh, my goodness. And some of are great, and I'm very receptive and I'm very open. I'm not, like, sensitive person, you know, but I, yeah, it was a bit like, okay, you know. The role of motherhood is, like, a lot more is expected of you than it was maybe in the past, you know?

Yeah. So, it's tricky. As my mom says, I mean, she raised four kids and I don't know how she did it. It was like, it was almost like we were stupid, you know? We didn't have the structure and these sleep routines and all these like things that we have to follow, which create so much. They're great. I love structure. Yeah, my mom is here now and I see even she gets overwhelmed.

Yeah, she's iconic. I know. She's iconic. She gets so overwhelmed because she's like, I remember you were five years old. We moved to England from Russia. And in England, you don't let, we lived in an area where you don't just let people out. It's Finsbury Park, venues from England. and she just let me and my friend go out on like a common and play.

And someone who was from England, they were like, are you crazy? That she's going to get abducted. And she had no idea. Because, and now it's even more. Like, I cannot even walk in the store without watching my kids all the time because children are getting abducted. It's too much. Like the level of stress of it all. Anyway, everyone who's tuned into to hear about the dieting is like, yeah, great.

Yeah. But can we talk about keto and paleo? Because I was like so. into keto for a long time prior because it was the only way I found of getting a grasp on my like feeling like I'm in control. Yeah. Because I hated calorie counting. I didn't want to diet.

I didn't want to, you know, I find it very hard to restrict in ways of like portion or, but I don't find it hard to restrict and like, well, I'm not allowed that. So I just won't have it. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I can just have categories of food that I can have a lot of, etc. What are your thoughts on keto lifestyles? And by the way, I'm not married to it.

It's not like you're not going to offend me. I don't know. I think you'd be a hard person to offend. But again, this is all my opinion, right? And the theta is a great therapeutic diet. What I mean by that is I think it works and I use it depending on the client. But why I think people like, as you said, it's very clear, define lines, you can't eat this, you can't eat that. However, what I do generally, I'm not saying

this is for everyone, it's not sustainable, okay? Because you will eat sugars, you will eat carbohydrate foods. And why I don't think it's a great long-term diet is because when you don't eat carbohydrates, you're depriving your body of a lot of the fibers and prebiotic foods that are very, they're crucial in order to feed our microbiome. So the bacteria that, live in our gut, which have a huge role in our health. So yeah, keto, I think, is great. So if I have a, you know, a client that has a lot of weight to lose, and again, like, their hormones, metabolic hormones are all out of whack, it's effective. It's really effective in, you know, losing weight and bringing their body more back into balance. However,

long term, I would change it to be a little bit more balanced in their macros to include cups. Yeah, I think people fall off. And I did in the past, any times when you'll go and you'll eat something because there is just nothing available in that, you know, bracket. Yeah. And then you'll eat something. And then you'll fall off and you're like, well, I've done that now anyway. So let's just throw out the.

But I also think when it comes to psychology, we want what we can't have. Yeah. Right. So with my clients, I always say there is nothing that you can't eat. I want you, if you want to have the burger, go eat the burger. Just get back on it with the next meal. Yes. Right.

That whole shift changes every. Because when you have this scarcity mindset, your body just, we're wired to go for it. And that's what drives, I think, I mean, I don't binge eating. When you think you can't have something or you deprive yourself or something the minute it's around you, you will binge it. What I used to do is be on keto, be the way I want to be. And it's also addictive because you have clarity in your mind. You don't have like a fog or a haze because it's very much you're running off fats, right?

And key tones, yeah. Yeah. And so I was very productive. Yeah. And then I'd eat something. let's say a cake because we were at a party or whatever. And I'll be like, oh, I fell off now. I might as well for the rest of the day.

Go for it because I wanted this, this, this and this. I'm going to have that now. And then I'm like, it's the weekend now. So I might as well. And then a week later, you are now eating 500 foods that you wouldn't have even on your normal day because you're like, quickly, let's get it in before. I don't know if some imaginary person's going to like tell you off or something. Do you know what I mean?

Exactly. So if you could just have that food and then get back on. Right. It's so much more useful. How about fasting for women? Our client is a woman in her like late 30s, early 40s. Look, I know there's a lot of, you know, face out there. It's, you know, not great with your hormones.

However, again, I think it can be a great therapeutic method to get you some goals. However, when it comes to women, particularly as they're, you know, approaching menopause before they've gone through menopause, it can not be great for your hormones. So women are better off breakfast that contains protein. right men women very very different however if i'm treating i've got a woman in her 60s very much struggling to lose weight they've gone through menopause or you're going through it i think it can be super effective so how would you use it how would you fast for me look i have done a lot fasting and i think it really helped me lose my baby weight um where i'm a big fan of the 16 8

approach okay so you eat in an eight hour window and then you fast for 16 hours the most ideal approach would be breakfast, lunch, early dinner, and then you fast, say, five till nine. So what would you, when would you, at 9 a.m.? Yeah, ideally. I didn't. I found it easier sort of eating from like 11 a.m. until 7 p.m. Okay.

Yeah. And I, again, like I think you don't have to be so strict. And I think it's a nice, as I say my clients, I think it's a really effective tool to use when you have had an indulgent weekend. It's like a reset. So maybe do like two days, three days of the same. 16 out of 16, 8, fasting and then eat normal. I don't believe in following something every single day and being so regimented.

I like flexibility, always. Do you find that people naturally sit at different weight points, or do you think everybody has, do you know what I mean, like that whole idea of like some people are just naturally bigger? Or do you think that's not true? I think that genetics play a key role and we do know that when you are, you are, your parents, if they have higher fat cells, adipose tissue, when you are conceived and when you're born, then you will hold, like, particularly the mom, then you will have more

higher quantity, quantity of fat cells. Okay. Yeah. And is it true that you can't get rid of fat cells, you can just shrink them? Really. Yeah. So that's why it does. It's important to be a healthy weight when you, you know, want to have a baby because it does

influence. Oh my gosh. Okay, so vegan. Yeah. What do you think of vegan diets? Again, I think it depends on the person. I see people that absolutely thrive on a vegan diet and then other people that their body just malnourish, losing hair. So I think, you know, it also needs to be done correctly. You know, people can go on a vegan diet and just like cut out meat and dairy products and, you know, any animal-based products.

And they're not, they're missing a lot of important nutrients. and, you know, that's where supplementation can be really important because you can fill those gaps, but I guess you need to listen. I have clients that come to me and, you know, they've experimented and they tried it and they became so eye and deficient, you know, whereas, yeah. So I love experimenting and I always say that, like go for it. If there's something that you're feeling like you want to do, you've got to go for it. But if your body is telling you otherwise, you've got to listen to that as well. Yeah, and Carnivore is really popular.

So popular. What's going on? My theory on that is that everyone is, you know, hitting their 30s and 40s and the digestive issues are starting to really show up, right? And people's gut health is all out of whack. And when you starve yourself of all those foods, healthy foods that contain those prebiotic fibers, you don't get triggered, right? So I think a lot of people complain of irregular bowel oceans, a lot of bloating, they feel tired. I think this all comes down to their gut being out of whack. And so why do they go to carnival?

Because when you don't have any of those vegetables and things that trigger you, meat doesn't trigger you. No. You feel good. Exactly. Right? Every podcast you listen to right now, there's a carnivore expert, and then there's the vegan expert, and then there's this guy who goes around scientist, professor, who's like plants are toxic. I really couldn't wait to talk to you about it because yesterday I was listening to something like that because I don't know. I get fascinated in areas, and my area of fascination right now is like nutrition because I really.

I guess I've got little kids. Yeah. And, you know, it's important to me. And as much as people watch my content for boys, I'm like, I don't care about them right now, right? I care about nutrition. So for me, it's like, carnival, really? Like, could plants toxic? What?

I mean, oh, it's again, it can be a really exhausting conversation, maybe the way that we're producing them these days. I mean, genetically modify. I feel so exhausting. Yeah. because you want to give you a kid's vegetables, say, or eat some vegetables. And they're like, genetically modified, can't eat that, can't eat this, can't eat anything. You're like, right, I'll just eat, I'll just eat meat. And ignorance is less.

But that's hormones and you're like, okay. Oh, no. It's so hard. Like, you seriously, I feel like I know so much that it's amazing that I eat anything at all. Yeah, literally. But I'm pretty nonchalant about this stuff because I just focus on, you know, eating clean foods and leave it at that. Otherwise, I'm going to be living on a farm that's self-sufficient and that's just not the life that I want.

No, exactly. I would love, though, my own veggie patch. How good would that be, but intending it? Yeah, that's a whole different thing. So let's try and for this imaginary girl, she's 39 years old. She's me. I'm not 39, but you know, like us. Yeah.

And she's had two or three kids. I'm not 39, yeah. No, me neither. We're so young. And what are we putting on her plate morning? I know it's different for everybody, but what is, what is this like clean whole foods? what does that even mean? Because I know that sounds so weird, but I get confused.

Like, is rice clean? Like, is it? Yeah. Rice is clean. Yeah. It's not, as you would know, it's not one of my favorite foods for weight loss. It's a very high starch, quite a instance-biking food. But, you know, I think protein is, I know we hear it over and over again,

but it is the one thing that we're not, most women are not eating enough of, right? It's the building blocks of our body. It's a building block our immune system. but of course it's what helps build lean muscle. And when we have lean muscle, we have an active, strong metabolism. So I love protein as well. It's what kind of fills us up and stabilizes our blood sugar. So having avocado or toast for breakfast is not a good breakfast despite the trend, right?

We need to have protein, whether it be eggs, whether it be Greek yoga, you know, I had salmon. Like for me last night, instead of cooking one piece of salmon, the rest of my family, had cofter. I have been eating a lot of meat, not following a carnival diet, I've just been eating a lot of red meat, and I'm just a little bit over it. So, you know, I had some salmon, but I cooked two pieces instead of one. And the second piece became my breakfast, part of my breakfast this morning. So I want to see protein on your plate. I want to see some. How much protein? I'm being. When it comes to breakfast, I mean, you know, I know a lot of people say 30 grams of protein for breakfast. I'm like, guys, come on like the basic layman person doesn't even know what 30 grams of protein is like yeah and

it's a lot of protein so you know when you're getting like at lunch i say to my clients i want a minimum 100 to 150 grams of like protein i don't mean actual protein i mean like chicken or fish you know which is a good amount you know when you are when i hit people trying to lose weight they've got you know they think like a tuna salad with a little bit of tuna some rocket lemon juice and all of oil dressing is like the ultimate weight loss salad and it is absolutely not. So for breakfast you are, let's do like three breakfast ideas. Three breakfast ideas. Yeah.

Okay. So I'm a big fan of eggs. Yeah. Love them. So often I'm having like boiled eggs with an avocado, about quarter of an avocado and some fruit, whether it be papaya or a cup of berries. I love like those rice cakes. And that's what I had this morning.

So I had avocado with rice cakes and salmon. Why rice cakes are toast? Right. Lighter. I'm not a big fan too much bread. I find it incredibly bloating and it can, you know, retain water and it's a little bit more insulin spiking. I know rice cakes isn't a whole food, but sometimes I just want a vessel to eat my protein on. You know, yes, I have toast.

I do. It's just not something that I would have most mornings. Would you give your kids the same thing? My kids, I get some sourdough. They have burn energy faster. It's just they're at a different stage. They have toast. But, you know, I also love.

you can get toast in like the paleo bread so like the seeded made on nuts in which i you know can now eat but it's um it's a much better option to having sort of like a wheat wheat or a grain base bread when you say you can now eat did you not when you were trying to lose weight after babies so that was part of my histamine reaction from yeah oh okay we'll talk about that yeah we'll talk about later um so i love also those seeded crackers that you can buy yeah i love those they're great so i often will put, you know, eggs or smoke salmon or you could do a protein shake. That was really changing for me when you told me that I could have, you know, those vessels almost because it kind of simplified because you can put tuna.

Yes. You could like put Greekoga on like or mix it together. Do you know what I mean? There's something to hold it because you feel kind of lost when like bread comes out the picture. I didn't because I was very keto, you know, life. Yes. But I think a lot of people would.

And everyone's like, what is left to eat? Yeah, literally. And I'll hand over a list. And they're like, but it's like the biggest shock to their system. And, you know, often I've got to nurture them through it. And it's amazing within a week, they're like, oh my gosh, I don't care if I never have it again. Because they feel. And what I think the game changer is, and I'm all about energy, right?

So when it's, it's, it's, when energy is the currency of life, like energy is so essential. So when you have toast for breakfast and little protein, You basically find your energy crashes quite quickly. Yeah. Whereas you go for something like a high fat, high protein breakfast, which I know you're really into the high fat, high protein. You are full for hours. Yes.

And your energy is stable. You don't think about it. You're thinking about more important things. Yeah, exactly. So then when you're out, what are you ordering for lunch? Us protein-based salad. Yeah. So always protein.

So maybe chicken with, yeah, lots of veggies. I think my mind shift was when you build meals around, say, protein, it really changes how you even look at menus because you're not like, there's risotto, there's this, there's that and you're like, oh, what sounds tasty or what is like low calorie and then your brain's exploding? I think if you just think, okay, what's my protein first and then build it out from there, is that the right thing to do. And like, let me just say that this is not, this is 80% at the time. Yeah. Right? That 20% and I love going out for dinner. That's just like my favorite thing. And when anything goes then, right? We have the pasta. I eat all those foods. It's just not in my day-to-day. When I'm on, I'm working and I want to feel great.

That's what I call it. For a great day of lunch, what are you having at home? What am I having at home? So I often am a big fan of leftovers. For me, protein is probably the hardest thing to prep and make, right? Unless you're taking it out of a tin, it's really hard. So I always try at dinner to ensure that I've got left-over. over is the next day. So if I'm making, you know, chicken or fish or a casserole, whatever,

and then I can use that to incorporate into my meal. Sometimes I just like a plate, you know, like seed of crackers, a bit of protein, whether it be tuna, some fresh tomato, cucumbers, olive oil, salt, pepper, and I love something sweet after my meal. Like, I mean, I'm a dark chocolate addict. Really? I love dark chocolate, yeah. Like. So we're allowed to dark chocolate? You are absolutely, I mean, I've got to enjoy life, right? I mean, I eat it every single day. I was going to ask you, coffees and milks, which milk are you using? I, so I don't drink, I never gave my kids' cows milk.

I've always, they've always had almond milk. Gain, because I was allergic to nuts, I've never been able to have them. So, you know, that would be an unsweetened almond milk would be the favorite. Yeah, you've got to go for a good one. Okay. Yeah. So there is that option. 100%.

There's brands out there. You've just got to understand you've got to read the label. I do not look at nutrient labels. I look at the ingredient list. That's all I care about. So teach me. You've gone in a shop. Yeah?

What are you doing? Say I want to buy an almond milk. Yeah. I will turn it around and I look at the ingredients. If I'm getting almond milk, what should be in an almond milk? Armands. And water. And water.

Yeah. And maybe there's a pinch of sea salt. Yeah. That's what I'm looking for. Okay. You can find ones that. have like it's wild like you're like why is that even in there i mean there's breads that have milk solids in them like it's scary and this is what we need to be focusing on you need to become

you know aware and and in control these these products because marketing they're they're really savvy you know and they can put all these these callouts on the on the packaging gluten free no additives no added sugar and then you turn it around and there's full of numbers i feel like if they're advertising, that's a giveaway that it's not healthy. Yeah, possibly. Like, they never are apple, whole food, good for you. You know, it's just Apple. Like, you recognize that apple.

Or the health star rating, I mean. Yeah. What is that about? Oh, my God. I saw it on, what was it, Nutella or something? Like a two-star health, I was like, guys, come on, be serious. So the ethos of your, let's forget the weight loss part, but just health. Yeah.

What is the ethos of it? Whole foods, as much as you want or. Yeah, eat your full and, you know, but I do focus on ensuring, yeah, adequate protein, really good fats in the form of like avocado nuts, seeds. Like fats really help with that satiety. So obviously very important for our hormones, our brain and all that. But just in terms of appetite, it really makes you feel satisfied. And, you know, I like whole carbohydrates that are going to be a slow releasing sugar. So, you know, whole fruits.

I love sweet potato. I love potato. All of these. you know, yes, people are like, can I have potato and lose weight? 100%. Yeah, homemade ones. Yeah. So talk to me about vegetable oil. Yeah. Is that a problem? For me, yeah. I think the problem, basically, and I like that you ask this,

because I don't think people understand the reason why. So when vegetable oils contain a type of fat that's called polyunsaturated fat, and these are quite an unstable fat. So what I mean is, is when they're exposed to heat and when they're exposed to light, they become rancid. And rancet just means it's inflammatory when we ingest it. Right. Right. No one's ever explained that to me properly. No, yeah.

I'm always like, I guess it's bad, so. Yeah. But why? Why? Yeah. When you understand the why, you're motivated. Changes. Right.

So when they process these oils and basically when they extract the fats out of these vegetables or plants, they have to use a lot of chemicals. They have to use a lot of high heat. and basically you're left with a very rancid product, we ingest it, and it's inflammatory. But further to that is our body, in order to have, be, you know, in a balanced state and reduce inflammation, we have, we need to have a good balance of omega-3 fats to our omega-6s, which is what these vegetable oils are. There are so many sources of omega-6 fats and very limited sources of omega-3s,

which means it throws that ratio out of whack. Yeah. So this is why we want to be eating. a lot more of sadines and salmon but not Tasmanian wild salmon. I mean, farm salmon. You know, it's hard. I get it. It's really, really hard. So I do try and that's why it's good to work with someone like a nutritionist to really help simplify it and give just basically tell you, you know, because it's complicated. And you do, you know, you feel like you need a degree to understand all this stuff, but it doesn't need to be that complicated. So what are the basic rules for somebody who's just listening and they can't go to a nutritionist because they can't afford it or they, they can't

right now in life? What would be like some rules that you'd follow just to get healthier? Yeah, limit processed foods. Okay. Right? I mean, it's okay. Do I eat sugar and do I have processed things? 100% here and there. It's not the focus of my diet and most of the time, 90% for me. I'm eating whole foods. You need to be in order to have control of your health, you need to be in control of your food. Guys, like too much overeats or ordering out, you know, you need to be prepping. I think it's becoming a lost skill cooking, right? No, people don't know how to. I don't know how to. And it doesn't need to be fancy. And this is actually something that I'm launching in about a week is this recipe portal,

a meal planning portal with really basic, delicious, family-friendly recipes that are macro balanced, but also support weight loss. I think people just struggle with how do I, you know, translate these ingredients onto a plate? How can I make a meal that's going to be satisfying? You know, it can be delicious. It can be exciting, you know, you just need to understand how to put together. I love when you put your foods together that you can see the different food groups. I know that's really a weird thing to comment on, but I think a lot of people get blocked with like, how do I make meals out of these ingredients?

Like you said, and the reality is why can't you just have a plate of amazing foods? Totally. Like, they call it girl dinner, but it should be just like human dinner. Like, it's okay that the tomato is just there. I love eating like that. Me too. It just makes you feel like you can see what you're eating. It's really good for kids to see what they're ingesting.

you don't have to like make everything into a paste or puree. It's okay. Yeah. And also when you start removing a lot of those high palatable foods, like really, I mean, I like cook with salt, but, you know, it's controlled. And the problem is when you're, say, buying a pasta sauce in a jar, you have no idea how much sugar is in that. And why do they do that? They do it because it lights up your brain and it makes you want more and more and more.

It triggers the dopamine. but to balance out that sweetness, they have to load it up with salt. So you think you're buying a pretty, you know, just a tomato-based pasta sauce, but it has got so much sugar and salt in it that it's not good for you. So when you remove a lot of these refined ingredients, your palate becomes so much more like you taste the flavors, the natural flavors, you know, a strawberry, tastes amazing and all these vegetables. And I think that's what it says to me.

Oh, my gosh, like the tomatoes and fruit, so sweet. It's just everything becomes so heightened because your palate is dulled when you eat a lot of the process. I remember not eating vegetable oil for a while and then I tried a McDonald's fry and I was like, Grease. What is that? It's almost like cart oil or something. It's ridiculous.

It's so strange. What are some myths that people think are unhealthy but they're actually okay? or like is there any myths that you find a lot of... Chocolate. Chocolate. Yeah, yeah. Chocolate. Um, butter.

Yes, butter. Butter. It's like, I love butter. But again, it comes down to what butter you're using, grass fed, organic butter. Um, I cook with it a lot. I cook with ghee a lot. Potatoes. Yeah.

Yeah. Potatoes, you know, so great. It's a really good, you know, carbohydrate-based foods. So good for our gut health and they're delicious. Yeah. It's the way you cook them, isn't it? Yeah, we just, you know, we make a lot of chips. I love just slicing them up, olive oil, salt, garlic powder, roast them in the oven.

And you eat that even if you're trying this way. Yes, yes. I mean, I portion control it, but I eat them. Of course, I eat them. And little hack is that if you chill your potatoes, so if you make them make a potato salad or, you know, chips and you put them in the fridge and then you reheat them, it actually reduces significantly. I think it's like by 70%.

I could be wrong. They're carbideate content. I heard that. It's like in different practices and different traditions that they breaks down the starch molecule or something. Basically it converts the starch molecule into a fiber that we can't absorb, but it's food for our gut microbiome. Wow.

Yeah. Same. Yeah, same with rice, like any kind of, yeah. You know you said about the tomato sauce and the sugar and all that content. Do you think they're doing that on purpose, like to make people less healthy? Of course. Or to make them addicted. Yeah.

Is that what it is? So they love it. and they want to buy it again and eat more of it. You know, I was listening to this podcast. This is really scary. I didn't know. I didn't know about this. But I was saying that a lot of now the synthetic ingredients,

particularly in America, right, that these, we're feeding our kids or we might be eating. It's actually changing their stem cells to produce more fat cells, but in replacing like, say, tissue cells or bone cells. So it's like they're just getting fatter, but it's actually changing it on a DNA level, which is just wild. What changed my approach to protein on Whole Foods is when I heard somebody on again on a podcast

say, if you're feeding your children no protein, how can their cells literally build? Like, what are they going to build from? The McDonald's Fry. Like, that's not possible. So it's scary. What's your thoughts on Ozempic? I mean, I gain. Your face.

Like it's, look, I understand that, you know, severe obesity can be an illness, but we're not helping people get to the root cause. What are you going to do? Be on it for the rest of your life. You need to understand. Fine, if that's what you need to do to help you shit the weight, but you also need to learn how to eat, how to create a sustainable diet and lifestyle practices

that are going to allow you to keep it off long term. Yeah. You know, it does have side effects. Like any drug, it has a side effect. But I think, you know, it's scary that we, I know a lot of people that are not overwork. weight young girls that just want to be stick thin that are on it and it's scary. Because you have to sustain it then you can't get off of it.

But it's also like that's not what it's about, right? We eat. Okay, it's for me when you change your mindset, if you're eating to lose weight, I think that can drive like it's a very different approach to eating to be healthy. When you eat to be healthy and feel good, you will look good. As I said, you will lose the weight. And I think that's just more motivating long-term driver, right? But it's just, you know, yeah, you can go on Ozempic and drink alcohol and eat sugar and starve yourself.

Or you can actually nourish your body and balance your hormones. And, you know, I have this questionnaire that clients have to complete when they come in to see me. And it's like they have to classify where they're sitting like digestive issues. and it's, you know, people are stressed. They've got low libido. They've got really low energy. I mean, we're not functioning. It's almost like everyone's in survival state.

Yes. And that's not how light, like that's not an enjoyable way to live your life. No. I'm burning out and we're nutritionally depleted. And I just think that that's, you can live your life and look skinny and not feel good. I think I would much rather feel good and be a healthy weight. Like feel amazing and feel energized and jump out of bed every day. And you said energy is like the currency right now.

I don't know hardly anybody who feels incredible. Yeah. You know? Yeah. I saw a post you did that these days you are eating for energy and health as opposed to how you look. Yeah. I need to. That's my driver.

You know, my two very active boys. Like energy is the most important thing for me. I remember you, when I talked to you prior, you said that you thought or you felt that motherhood was despite being beautiful, extremely draining. Yeah. But then you had health issues that you were also facing. Can we talk about that? Because I think a lot of women are going through it.

And there's on one side hormones and on the other side, there is the surgery you had recently. Can you tell me about it? Yes. So 15 years ago, I had breast implants put in. You know, I was self-conscious around my body. I was extremely flat-chested. And at the time, I was like, this was a. great solution and I love them for the most part but I didn't know that they were making me sick

and I about three months ago I had to go I have the implants at the time they were meant to be like the best and then later on it was linked to an increased risk of breast cancer so my doctor just said you should be getting them checked every single year just to make sure that everything is okay the wrist was low but it was there so it was obviously something that i thought about daily i was having kids i was preoccupied i hadn't had them checked for five years so irresponsible of me but i just yeah i was consumed yeah so i went and got them checked and thankfully there was no lymphoma but there was a rupture so i went and saw this specialist dr ava naggy who specializes in um explants or removal of implants and she her advice was you need to get

them out ASA. Wow. Yeah. And I was like, okay, I have a holiday planned. I need this holiday. Like I was burnt out to the point where I could cry a couple of times a week. I'm from absolute exhaustion. I was so tired, but I think I had a lot on my plate that I just attributed it to mum life and working. And I'm the, oh my goodness. Yeah. I guess because I was doing everything else right. Yeah. You know, like I did everything else right. And that was the factor that changed, you know, like you weren't a mom and then you were a mom. That's right. And you were like, this must be it. That's right. And it was literally at that time where I felt like the decline was two years. What was the feeling? What did you feel? I didn't feel anything

in my chest. And they looked fine, which was wild, right? They looked completely fine. Maybe my left one looked a little bit bigger. Yeah. But other than that, it was still holding its form and it was fine. it's just how I felt and my husband would say to me, Abe like, you need to like get checked and I did blood tests and everything and it was all normal. Yeah. Anyway, she basically, this doctor is raced quite on the forefront of breast implant illness. So it's a, it's not yet a medically recognized disease. However, there's a lot of research that's starting to come to the surface and women, like a lot of groups

where women are basically talking about this collection of symptoms that they're experiencing that have breast implants. And at the time, I know of people that have gone and had their implants removed and literally like all these symptoms have subsided, I didn't think I had it. I really just thought that I was burnt out and I was looking forward to coming into the end of the year and having some downtime. Anyway, I got them out and within two weeks, like my life changed, like in terms of how I felt. I saw side by size of women.

The like dullness and grayness is gone in their face. I was so dull. I can't say that you were, but I was so dull. I would wear makeup and whatever, but I was dull. But I mean, the biggest things for me was my energy, energy, the be-do, but also I had a really strong allergic reaction to knots. I haven't been able to eat them for at least nine years. and perfume.

I would break out in hives. That's why when I smell you today, I said you smell so good and you were like, I can finally wear it. I was like, did she find it or something? I know. I don't know. Perfume's not the best thing for your hormones, but you know, I like to smell nice.

That's a thing I was going to ask you about as well, but afterwards, like, it's hard. So, yeah, like I think that, and you know, it's like you've got to, as I was saying to you before, Like, you know, as a young 38-year-old female to feel that chronically exhausted when I'm this healthy. Like, I really am and you should be doing, you know, I was doing all the right things to, to, you know, be, your body gives you signs that something, there's something's not right. And I know this.

But I think in my mind, maybe I didn't want to recognize it because I knew you always built something up to be worse in your head than what it is. Like the recovery was totally fine. But, you know, was I ready to lose my breast? But I am like happier than ever. What was the changes? How did you feel before and how do you feel now? So I felt like I was surviving and now I'm living. I'm so excited for this year.

I'm so excited. I want like I had two kids and I was like I would never imagine having anymore. I don't know anyone ever has three. Like I thought it thought it would like completely break me. And now I'm like to my husband. Yeah, maybe. Let's have another one. I'm excited by my work.

I'm for most of all, I think the connection between my husband and I because now we can actually like he doesn't, he gets part of me. You know, whereas like I would be spent by the end of the day. I had nothing left to give. Whereas like we've just had so much fun and I'm social again. You know, I have an amazing group of girlfriends. and I know I would never lose them, but I was so disconnected. I didn't have the capacity to even pick up the phone and call them.

Like it was like I was chronically fatigue. You almost feel like a bit depressed. And that's not. My husband was like, he was like, you're back to the girl when I met you. Like I'd jump out of bed in the morning. Like I'm just, I'm excited by life. I think, and I might be wrong, but I think we're going to look at breast implants as something we used to do in the past.

Yeah. Unless they find a different way of doing it with like fat or, I don't. don't know because you know medicine moves on but I think bodies naturally try and reject a foreign object and it makes sense and it's I knew this like I knew it wasn't aligned to my ideal gym my philosophy around health and a lot of my friends would say this to me they're like it kind of like this makes sense for you like it's not surely it's not aligned to your beliefs and I was like it absolutely wasn't I was just like trying to find the right you turn a blind guy because it looks fine now I'm just gonna look I'm like all for the flat you know it's

chest or small boobs now. I actually love it. Whereas my 23-year-old self when I got them in, I felt unsexy. I didn't feel feminine. Isn't that ironic? Because as somebody who's had boobs, I always look at girls who had like an A cup

and I was like, they can wear that backless dress. Like that Gatsby vibe. I'm deeply jealous. Yeah. Because even if I did that, it would look vulgar or like in my mind. I was always like, oh my God, maybe like back,

you know what I mean? You always want what you don't have. You have the curly hair. You want the straight hair. you always want the opposite. Right. And I think you look beautiful, energetic, iconic, everything. It just looks so, so good.

Well, I'm, yeah, I think energetically, if you are, you know, it's, everything's energy, right? So if you're exuding amazing, positive, vibrant energy, I think it's the most beautiful, sexy thing in the world. Exactly. I'm so happy. You did it. And I think, yeah, it's so good. Can we talk about hormones? Yeah.

I mean, I'm not the guru. No, you're not the guru of hormones. And so that's not the vibe. But when a woman comes to you and she's on the contraceptive pill. Yeah. And she's trying to feel healthy and better. What do you notice even when she's using your methodology? Does it block her progress?

Look, I do specialize in weight loss, but I do look at the body holistically. So it's everything that we do address. But yeah, I think that it is, you know, when I say to them, you know, why. are you on it? And I'll say because I had really heavy periods. I had really bad skin, which we know, or, you know, I had acne, that is hormonal imbalances in the body. And the problem with being on the pill is it's just, it's not actually dealing or, you know,

treating the root cause. You're just putting a band-aid. And those things will still be there. But there's also the side effects. You know, they're saying, you know, I'm weight gain. I've got fluid retention. I have no libido, you know. And it's, yeah, I was, you know, listening to this great podcast, so saying it's, you know,

it's like the pill for our, you know, the younger generation, it's now the HRT, but women want to pause. And it's like, I think it's a great solution, but it's not this, you know, one size fits all, which is how it's being treated. And yeah, the, the contraceptive pill is, I mean, I went on it when I was younger and I think I tried every single. pill that existed because I was having such severe side effects. I mean, that in itself is saying something. You know, I've had my two kids and then the GP, the general practitioner, she was like, oh, which woman? She was like, what are you going to do? Which pill are you going to go on? And I said, you know, I've done this, this, this and this. And I'm crazy on all of them. Yeah. And I can't

afford to be crazy right now. It was fun for my 20s, but as in, I'm emotionally reactive, like all these things. And I've got children now and a business and a husband who I kind of don't want a divorce because I'm crazy. Totally. Right? Totally. So things. matter more. And she's like, where did you hear that on TikTok? Like, where do you hear all this? I'm like, on TikTok, first of all, that's a very good platform. Second of all, because they almost treat you like you're saying nonsense. Yeah. You know, but there is medical professionals who've written books about the pill and the side effects. So it's not just random stuff, but they completely, you know. And it's hard. Like, I get it. Like I could imagine is it being a mom with a young girl that's

like sexually active? Like, it's so. scary, but, you know, yeah, I just want to be careful. But so it's like, I mean, I see so many people around me struggling to fall pregnant. And I'm not saying that's the only reason, right, but we've got to consider all these things, you know. And I think, you know, every one of my friends are on the marina. Yeah. And when I was, I had done, before I fell pregnant, I was on the copper IUD, right? And it's not the most popular one. because it does give you a heavier and more painful period, at least initially. But it meant no synthetic hormones in my body.

But, you know, I did have quite significantly high copper levels in my body. So now I'm kind of like, you know, I'm not on anything. I prefer to not be. But that doesn't mean that I worry all the time about. Yeah, it's tough, isn't it? It's so hard. And I'm, you know, it's okay for me. Like it's, you know, I do make one another kid.

For someone that's not with their partner and, you know, it's hard. It's really hard and there's not a lot of options, but. Fun being a woman, isn't it? I'm sorry, there's no option. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, it's really fun. What about HRT? You mentioned that they're using the pill.

So women who are using the pill as. Well, it's just now it's like every doctor will just prescribe any female that's coming in with any symptom that might be, you know, part of menopause. They're just putting them on HRT. And I think HRT can be super, super effective, especially when you're going through something that can be quite facilitating and have a lot of symptoms, you know, which make it hard to just in your everyday life.

But again, it's just not this like you can't just every single person. I think menopause are significantly exacerbated by your diet and lifestyle habits in your 30s and your 40s. Like, what are you doing in those former years that are setting you are? It's so important. And I think that it's really, you do. You have a lot harder journey when you have a lot of elevated toxins and your body is out of wax.

for me, I'm like, I want to do everything that I can to support my body and my hormones now so that I can have a smoother journey. You've given me a lot of since working with you and just talking to you and knowing you and just your profile, watching it. You've given me a lot of peace in the feeling of nutrition and just being in my body and like acceptance of myself and the whole journey. So that's been a really amazing feeling of watching it. And I want people to have that even if they can.

can't, you know, work with you. So where can they find you? And what are you working on at the moment? Yeah. So I am, 2025 is going to be a lot more focus on me moving away a bit less on one on one and I'll want to go more online so that I can work with a lot more women. I'm launching, as I said, this recipe and meal planning portal, which will be. Which I'll be the number one customer for. I love it. I will send it your way as soon as it's live. Yeah, which we're will be just, I think that's the biggest challenge. It's like, okay, great, this is what I can eat, but now how, yeah, how can I translate that into delicious meals? And this just takes the confusion out of it. You know that you can cook that meal and it's going to be macro balance and be,

yeah, lean and clean and support your weight loss journey. And you can also, like, create meal plans and they'll spit out a shopping list. It just makes it super easy. So that's that. I do, obviously, group online programs for women love coming as a collective. And I do them every month. And then I'm basically going to be launching a masterclass. So my program, which I do one-on-one, is going to be all done online. I'll probably need to get some of your recording guidance on that. Yeah. Yeah.

So, and then long term will be, I'd love to just have it all in one, all-encompassing app. Amazing. And what's your Instagram for people who want to also be soothed about nutrition like I was? It is SM underscore nutrition. Amazing. Thank you so much for coming on. Thank you for having me.