Best Friends with Nicole Byer and Sasheer Zamata - Nicole and Sasheer are the Creamy Sisters

Episode Date: March 25, 2026

Nicole and Sasheer are dressed in head-to-toe cream for an extra-special Creamy Sisters extravaganza episode. Our favorite duo gets into trying to learn a new language while driving, feeling dangerous while wearing cream, inventors, and which past television show they’d like to act on if they could go back in time.Watch this full video on YouTube and follow below!Follow Nicole: Twitter, Instagram, TikTokFollow Sasheer: Instagram, TikTokLike the show? Rate Best Friends 5 stars on Spotify and Apple Podcasts!Have a friendship question for Nicole and Sasheer to solve? Leave us a voicemail at [phone]‬ or write in at [e-mail] Friends is a production of Headgum Studios. Our producer is Allie Kahan. Our executive producer is Anya Kanevskaya. The show is edited, mixed, and engineered by Richelle Chen.This is a Headgum podcast. Follow Headgum on Twitter, Instagram, and Tiktok. Advertise on Best Friends via Gumball.fm.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

This is a headgum podcast. Creamy sister. Oh, hello, creamy sister. The creamy sisters are here. They're out today. And this is the exact outfit you wore when I said, I love cream on cream. And then this little onesie I bought, and then I was like, I'm going to dye it purple because I don't really wear cream. Yeah.

But I've left it alone to become a creamy sister. And like, it's almost the exact same cream as the shirt that you got. I know. Yeah, it's really good. I found this shirt in a goodwill for like $2. I was like, look at God. Look at God. And then our hats, not a creamy sister thing because they're, I think, more white.

Yeah. But they were a gift from Herman Miller. Yeah, because I love chairs. Yes. And we talk about them along the show. Cheers. And so we were gifted all these chair hats for everybody involved with the show. Which is so nice.

Yeah, it's very nice. I like it, but we are going to take them off. I'm going to do them off because I look like a little kid when I have a hat like this. You almost said a cap. I did. It's a cap, I think. It's a cap, yeah. It's a baseball cap, yeah.

I feel dangerous in cream. It is risky. because I'm always touching my face and I'm like, oh, what if I get brown smudges on it? And then people don't assume it's makeup. You think people, what do you think people are going to think of us? They might be like, ooh-oh, she'd be shitting. All over?

Ooh, ooh, she's shitting. I feel like if it's like near your butt, people would be like, that's shit. But if it's like on your chest, I think they'll be like, oh, maybe it's makeup or food. She didn't wipe. Ew. She used her hand. and didn't wipe it off. I probably have told this story,

but when I worked at Lane Bryant, a plus-size lady store, a fat lady store, whatever you want to call it, a woman returned jeans with brown smudges on the side, and it truly looked like she ate with her hands a bunch of fudge, and it was like, I don't have a napkin. These pants are dirty. And then brought them right back to us.

I don't know. And when I worked there, we had a policy where you just took everything back. And I was like, you fudged up these white pants. She really did. With your nasty, sticky, fudgy fingers. That was a fudgy person. And return them. And I had to take them back.

Oh, my God. And then what happened to the clothes that were given back? So I believe we damaged them. So you put a little ticket on it that says this is damaged. Don't put it back out on the floor. And then throw it away? I don't know. I think we sent it.

I think they got sent back to corporate. Yeah. But I'm simply not sure. It's really, it really is depressing how much corporations trash their products because like old or they didn't sell on the floor and then they like cut up bags or like mark on things and they just put in a dumpster. It's nuts. Yeah. I've seen so many videos of people who, like, dumpster dive, and they'll be like, oh, my God, like, all of these Victoria's Secret bras and stuff.

And they're, like, oh, there's, like, slashed and cut in half and you can't. Yeah. Which is, I don't understand why they can't donate stuff. Like, wouldn't they also be a tax right after for them? Just be like, oh, we're donating all these bras to women shelters or, like. Yeah, I don't know. Or repurpose them, don't slash them. Use the material again.

Yeah. Bring them back next season? It's a bra. Yeah, I don't understand that. I don't know. And yeah, wouldn't that... I guess I don't know how much fabric costs or how much leather or anything costs,

but like... Wouldn't that save them money to, like, undo the fabric and reuse it for something else? One would think. But maybe not. Maybe it's like things are... They charge so much that they... they include how much it costs to get rid of stuff?

I don't know. They don't know. We got to get a CEO up in here. CEO, who explained this to me? I wonder if they even know. Probably not. I went to a Salvation Army, a new one that was open, and they were having a wild sale.

All the clothing was $2. Wow. But they didn't have nothing. It was all kind of garbage clothing. Like fast fashion garbage clothing. Yeah. And I was like, oh, this is what's, yeah. I don't know, 50 years from now, that might be all that's in thrift stores.

Oh, that's so depressing. The furniture? It's going to be all IKEA shit. Yeah, because we're, like, running out of actual vintage things because they're either getting destroyed or, like, you know, worn over time. Or people are buying them. And then we got these people on Instagram, the bad side of Instagram, where they're painting. them gray and writing scripts and stuff on them and putting gold leaf on vintage things. It's so, it makes me really sad. Yeah.

Mm-hmm. Makes me really sad. I've been listening to a lot of Jade. I don't know, Jade. From Little Minks or Mix. What is it? Little Mix. Little Mix.

Yeah. I never listened to Little Mix. Mm-hmm. And I can't remember who, maybe was my friend John. My friend John Mason who lives in Australia. I think we were listening to her when he came to visit last. And I really liked one of the songs. And then I was like, what's that lady's name?

And I asked him. And then I just put on the Essentials playlist on Apple Music. And I've been having a nice time. Ooh, that's fun. Also, did we talk about this last episode about me learning Spanish with Rosetta Stone? I mean, you kind of mentioned it. I don't know if we went in depth. Well, I found some learned Spanish in the car thing.

things. Like, like, you play it, like, it's, the program is for you to listen to it in the car. Mm-hmm. Okay. And it's like 15-minute Spanish lesson, 10-minute Spanish lesson. I want that. It's nice. Yeah.

I'm trying to think if I retained a single thing. Yeah. Discupe. Yes. Excuse me. Yes. Descupe. Yes.

Uh, tu is repidio? Or like, repeat yourself? I think. I think that's what I said. Or that's what I was trying to say, excuse me, can you repeat that? Mm-hmm. Oh, wait, I think I'm saying can wrong. Pures?

Ah, discuspe, peris, peri. Wait. Puees. Puees. Mm-hmm. Repito. Yeah, I think. Yeah, sounds good to me.

El Mujer Corre. Um, La. Oops. El hombre corre. The women run. The women run. And don't they run.

And don't they run. That's cool. Yeah, I want to listen to Spanish in the car. Yeah, I've been trying, because there's no way I can just immerse myself. I don't have that many Spanish-speaking people in my life. But I do have a couple. And Poonam, I was talking to Poonam. I was talking to Poonam, who's pretty conversational.

And she was like, oh, maybe we, like, hang out and just try to talk Spanish to one another. And I was like, that might be fun. Definitely. I do that with Mateo sometimes until I go, I'm so sorry. That's the end of that. I don't, I can't. My brain is too much. Yeah.

I can understand a bit. But when it comes to saying it out loud, my brain gets really stuck. And I'm like, mm-oh. And I just saw a trailer. the new shit. I wish I could remember what it's called, but it's the office, but it's like a Mexican version of the office. And I was like, you love the office.

Did you know it's funny? People have been saying that. It's so funny. I could not believe. I watched it like three years ago because I was dating this guy who was like, you've never seen the office. And I was like, yeah, I've never seen it. And everyone's always been like, you've never seen.

And then we sat down and watched it. I was like, Steve Carrey. I was going to be a star. Do they know? Do they all know? Like, this is crazy. But yeah, they remade it. And I was like, oh, maybe that'll be the fun thing I watch in Spanish.

That's smart. And try to learn from that because a lot of people who've learned English learned it by like watching friends and shit like that. But then I'm like, do I watch it with subtitles or no? This I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Yeah, I've also heard people learn languages through TV, but I'm also like, how?

Because I have watched things with subtitles, like Korean things or French things or whatever. I don't feel like I've picked up anything. No, but maybe it's because you're not watching it, like, repeatedly. You're not watching your favorite show every day. Yeah. But I got to figure out if I got to watch it with subtitles or not. Yeah, this I don't know. Can you look that up, Allie?

Do you mind? 2026 is the year I enrich myself with activities and things that I do that are good for me. Nice. What was that Kylie Jenner quote? Like, this year's about realizing things. God, that's funny. Okay, so using English subtitles while watching Spanish TV is useful for beginners to grasp context, but it's generally recommended to switch. to Spanish subtitles or no subtitles

as soon as possible to maximize language acquisition. Oh. Oh. Okay. Okay. All right. All right. Well, it's going to be one of them things

where I can't be on my phone. You have to really pay attention. When I'm at home, I watch things, like, and I'm playing on my phone as well. Yeah. Or, like, doing other things. I think most people are. That's why I love the movies.

Yeah. I have to sit and I have to watch. Yeah. Although that doesn't stop some. We saw Jurassic Park and there were these these teens, loud teens on their phones. It's like, go home. Go to a mall. We're at the mall.

We're at the mall. Enjoy the mall. Go out there and be on your phone and hang out. My God. I tried to learn Japanese in my car in high school, but I didn't have air conditioning. So I'd have to roll the window down in my car and it'd be like, and I could actually.

actually hear what the tape was saying. So I didn't get very far. You didn't get very far? No. That's really funny. You're just in a wind tunnel being like, Konigieg-y-Wi! It was cassettes, and the only cassette player I had was in my car.

You didn't have a boon box? I don't remember having a boon box. Oh. Or I must have had another way to play tapes at some point. But also, like, I think that era was like, CDs were actually the thing. But this specific deck of language instruction was on cassettes. And that's... God, that's so funny.

Yeah. You're like, I have to get in my car, but it's so hot. It's so hot and loud. I really miss my CD cassette player. Yeah. It was like a pearl purple. purple but like with a little attitude, a little shimmer

to it. And I loved I wore it out. Yeah. I was listening to Lil Kim, the notorious K-I-M that album where she's got like her little pants open. It says, notorious. Oh, I would listen to that on Rebeat. Yeah.

Oh, good memories of that boombox. Mm-hmm. I had a radio on my bike, like in between the handlebar. bars. All the kids wanted to ride with me. Whoa. A little bike gang.

A little bike, like, crew that would, like, ride with me and we listened to whatever was playing on the radio. That's really fucking cool. Did you do that? Did you, like... No, it came like that. I've never seen a bike with a radio in it. I don't remember what brand of bike it was, but it was like, that was the...

Probably Huffy. I don't know. I think that was a big bike brand. Yeah. And yeah, we just bought it like that. And it was pink and green, I think, or yellow. And, yeah, all the kids loved it. Wow.

Your radio brought all the kids to the yard. Definitely. I have a bike currently. Yes. It's a purple bike. It's got a basket. I put Clyde in it. I've rid in it maybe three times.

And I'm like, and it's an electric bike. Oh. I could be zoom-zuming, but I need to get a helmet. You do need to get a helmet, yeah. That's what's really been holding me back because I don't want to order a helmet. I got to go to the helmet store and get a feel. Where's the helmet store? I'm sure there is one.

Where is it? I'm sure you have to Google it. Where's the helmet store? Just like look it up and you'll find it. You're probably right. And there's really cute helmets too. There's like ones that look like those old school like motorcycle. Helmish, I have like a little like, kind of like lip or what do you call it, like a bill.

Oh. I'm sure you can get a purple one. Maybe I'll get one of those. Yeah. I also really want a moped. Oh. Because my motorcycle dreams are dashed because it was so hard to learn how to ride. Yeah.

And apparently a moped's a little easier to control. You do look so dumb because you're just like sitting. But you're safer. You are a little safer. And so they're really pretty. Mm-hmm. But I'm like, I can't move back into faster bicycles until I ride the bicycle I already fucking have. That's true.

Shake my dang head. She loves modes of transportation. I really do. I love a boat. I love the train. I love it. I don't love planes, but you're on them a lot. I'm on them a lot.

So it is a special interest. Cars love a car. I think the Honda preludes out, I think. Ellie, can you look that up? Because I got to get in one. Oh, I got a test drive one. Yeah. Oh, I love a prelude.

The old ones, they're so, ugh. The design, it's nice. It's like a longer coop. And ever since I was a little girl, I've loved a longer coop. Yes, it's out. I got to get to a Honda dealership. You got to. Happy Honda Day.

Is that a Honda thing? Yes. Yeah. Mm-hmm. I think around the holidays. Every day is a Honda day. If you drive a Honda. That's true.

I do love those car commercials where it's like a big bow and a car in the driveway. And it's like, y'all didn't talk? Nobody to. You surprised somebody with a car? Yeah, that is. Yeah, I don't know how I feel if my partner got a, well, I don't know. I guess if you don't share finances, if you're not, if you're not like, sharing a

joint fund and it's like their money and your money and they choose to use their money to buy you a car I guess that's okay but I would be like wow yeah no I actually

I would be like because if you know I probably would be like couldn't we use that on the house or travel or like or anything else I would have wanted to talk about it first and it's like

and then also like you just bought me this car like you didn't ask hopefully it's because I said I wanted that specific car. But they're so, to me, I feel like they're so personal.

Like, you can't just know what someone wants unless they say it out loud. Yes. But then also, you're not going to, like, get all of the things that they want. Like, features. Yes. Yeah.

I had a friend we were car shopping together, and all he wanted was an SUV with cup holders that were horizontal like this, not like that, in the back seat. That's really fun. And I said to them

You'll never be in the back seat What does it matter? Yeah But every car we looked at Where it was not the orientation He wanted He would be like, no I don't even want to test drive it

I was like All right Yeah After Tony Soprano and Carmella Get back together Spoiler He gets her a Porsche And did she like it?

She loved it She loved all the gifts Tony got her Nice Because Tony was so badly behaved But then would come home like a mink coat or like rings or something. Yeah. Oh, I love the Sopranos.

Mm-hmm. I got a Sopranos shirt that it's all the main male characters and it says, Family, Redefined. And I love wearing it. It's such a good show. Yeah. I really think you should try to finish it. Okay.

It is, you got to dedicate some time because each episode's like 45 minutes. Mm-hmm. And then they're long-ass seasons. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. But you're going to have a nice time.

Everybody acts wild. Yeah. I'm watching the comeback right now. Mm. Yes. And it's so funny. So, so funny. I watched the first season.

There's two seasons out. Two seasons are out. Third season? Third one's coming out this year in March. Yeah. I'm very excited. I got to watch that second season because I watched the first one that was so funny to me. Mm-hmm.

Ugh. Yeah. Also, like, I don't, I think it's, like, funny for everybody. but like it's a little cathartic to me as an actress. Like seeing, I guess, just all the ins and outs of her brain and her insecurities of like, you know, a younger actress getting more lines than her in the scene or like being dressed in a costume that's like doesn't fit her body or it's just like it's so funny. There's so many small specifics that I hope is like, you know, understandable to like everybody else. But I like, as an action, like, I really get this. Yeah, I've been in costumes where I'm like, I look like a potato.

Mm-hmm. I simply look very, very bad. Mm-hmm. And they're like, action. And you're like, okay, well, I was in one scene of something where it was two fabrics. There's a shirt and maybe a skirt, but the two fabrics were really slippery. So the shirt kept rolling up and the skirt kept rolling down. And I was like, I just...

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So that, is that person, they're better. They're better? Which also, like, it never has anything to do with you. No. Or sometimes it does. But it is like, most of the time. It doesn't. But it happened to me recently.

I had like two lines in the scene and they took one of my lines away. He gave it to a guy. And I was like, what, uh, what happened? But it's just like, they just wanted it more ping pongy. But it wasn't like I wasn't delivering the joke well. It was just like they wanted me to have one and him to have one. But I was like, I only had two. And now I only have one.

No, I have one. And have you edited interestingly, I could have none. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah, being an actor is not for people who are incredibly sensitive. It's a mean fucking business. You have to have a thick skin. Truly, truly thick.

Especially when you're like pitching something and you're like, boy, they loved that. And then you hear back and they're like, we don't want that. And you're like, okay. It seemed like you did. Okay. Cool. I had a conversation recently with my manager about generals, which are a meeting. A general is.

Okay. I am an executive at a television network. Yes. So what do you want to be doing? I want to be acting and directing and writing and me producing. But yeah, I'm just like... Yeah. So just tell them I'll take that call.

Oh, yeah. I like, you know, executing other people's vision, but I also really want to get my vision out there. Yes. Okay, so if we find something for you, this has been really great. If we find something for you, we'll let you know. Okay, yeah. Do you know about when?

Can I have a milkshake? I don't like them. I just like, maybe we can, like, set some up, and I was like, I don't think myself can take it. I just, because it feels like a date, kind of. But I'm also doing a show where I'm also selling myself. And then they, we can have a great time and then leave. And they're like, no, I have nothing for you.

And I'm like, why did I waste my time? Why did I come in? Why do we spend a whole lunch to do this thing? My favorite thing to do is when they're like, what do you want to be doing? I go, oh no. Well, it's the answer you've heard before. I want to act. And they're always like, ha, ha, ha, ha.

We don't have a thing for you. Oh, you want to act? We can't help you. We can't help you. Yeah, it is one of, I've started looking at generals and just meetings as, hey, I'm going to brighten their day. They're going to tell someone later a funny thing I said, and then they'll forget about me in a week. But for at least 24 hours, I'm going to be memorable to them. Yeah.

That's a good way I think about it. I was working on something, and right before we went for it, one of the, like, producers was like, you ready? Don't mess it up. And I was like, oh. Don't say that. Why would you do that? Yeah.

It blew me away. And then I was so in my head. Oh, no. But then, like, on like a different line, I was like, wait a minute. I'm going to have fun. And that way, I can't. I can't mess it up because I'm having fun. Oh, good.

So that's how, yeah, I'm just, I'm out here doing things for me. I think that is how it works. I think it's, like, how it should be. Tell you the things that I like was like, I don't know. I liked it. That's when someone else is like, I like it too. Yeah, I agree. Anytime I've done an audition where I'm like, I think this is what they want.

I did one audition. And then on the callback, they were like, all right, this is a, Great audition. That's why you're at the callback. And I was like, yes. And they were like, okay, so everything you did, great. Truly actually made sense the way the scene is written. The scene's not written right for the character.

The character is somebody different. So here's what we want you to do that's fully different. And I was like, this could have been an email before I got here. Oh, yeah. Oh, my Lord. Throw this at me. They threw so much at me. Oh, boy.

And then we did it and they were like, okay. There's just like a little bit leftover from what you were doing Because when you do a callback You're like They liked what you did Yes And boy oh boy was that

I like got home and was like Huh I'm bad But then I was like no They just didn't want you And that's okay Sometimes it's like they want something else Yes

And it's not you If you could time travel And be on any show from back in the day. What would it be? Fresh Prince seemed really fun. Yeah. Yeah. Or Family Matters.

And they were long running shows. They were. Yeah. I mean, Family Matters ran so long that Urkel went to space. That's the natural progression. You go to high school, college, you get married, you go to space. go to space. He went to, I think they changed networks and he went to

space. And I think Harriet left. She did. Yeah. I don't think I watched those the last, the later seasons. I didn't get that fun. When it left TGIF, I was like, well. Can't follow it. I don't know how I get it. I don't know. I don't know what channel. Yeah. If I could time travel,

I would really love to be, Fresh Prince is a really fun one. Living single is another fun one. Yes. Any Mary Kate and Ashley Olson project. Yeah. Winning London is one of my top ones. Winning London is so good. I don't know winning London.

Okay, here's the thing. So Mary Kate and Ashley Olson, hot off full house. Yes. Do the adventures of Mary Kate and Ashley, where they're super duper snoopers. They'll solve your crime before dinner time. And then they moved on to doing full-length movies. And the way they decided to do these movies,

is I think Billboard Dad takes place here, but then they go to Paris. They go to passport to Paris. And then they just take vacations. I feel like they picked where they're going to shoot the movie based on where they're going on vacation. And I was like, this is fucking genius. Holiday in the Sun, that's in Australia.

Winning London? Guess where? London. And are they the same characters? Are they different characters at each movie? Technically they're different characters, but one is straight-laced, Ashley. And then one is Lucy.

Goosey, Mary Kate. Always. They never switched. I don't think they did. Mm-hmm. In Grandmother's House we go, that's a good one. Toilin, toilin, toilin, toilin, toilin, double trouble. Hey, it's okay.

It's okay. You got a little excited. I got so excited and couldn't say the tongue twister. Ugh. New York Minute is great. Eugene Levy's on it. Oh. Killing it.

Yeah. He's going to be a star. Good things are going to happen, that guy. I haven't seen Beast. which is Mary Kate's last performance on screen. What was it called? Beastly. Oh, sounds scary.

It's a modern retelling of Beauty and the Beast, and I believe Vanessa Hudgens is in it. And I believe the Beast is played by that up-and-comer from Magic Mike who didn't go anywhere because he was difficult on set from what I heard from the tabloids. No, I don't know who that is. I can't remember his name. Oh, was he like the young guy? Yeah, the one young guy.

Yeah. He did, yeah, he really did come and go. Yeah, I think he was like, hard to work with on set? I think that's what like the tabs were saying. The trades. The trades. That's what I think. Yeah. Well, that's unfortunate.

Mm-hmm. Yeah. What's his name? Alex. Yeah, Alex Petty Fur. Mm-hmm. Has he been in anything recently? In 2024, he was in a action movie called the Ministry of Ungentlemanly Warfare.

Hmm. Okay. Okay. And the Sopranos. I'd love to go back in time and figure out how to get on the Sopranas. I'm sure. Even though they don't really like black people on that show. Maybe you're the one that they do like.

Yes. Yes. I believe David Chase is the one who created it. He's like, I met this amazing black. I gotta put her on the show. That's what I guess. Oh my godly. Yeah.

I'm surprised you didn't say Sex and the City. Oh. Okay. also love to be on sex in the city. And entourage. Yeah. Okay. Okay.

There's so many great shows. There are so many. Did you hear television good? There are so many great shows. I'm rewatching you. We try to get on that show a lot. We actually tried really hard to get on that show. And they said no.

They said no. We simply just don't have anything for you. But they were kind enough to let us audition a couple of times. Yeah. I think I auditioned twice for it? I think so too. Yeah. Didn't get it.

No. Didn't get it. But it was nice to be considered. Yeah, that is nice. That pilot is wild. I don't remember the pilot that well. So at one point Beck is like having sex in her apartment with no curtains, no window treatments in sight on the first floor.

Joe is jerking off in the bushes watching her And then an old lady's like Excuse me, can you help me get a camp? So hard I was like, oh yeah This show is scary Yeah But deeply funny

Deeply funny It is wild That that show was a success Because it is like We are following And rooting for A psychopath Yes, a bad bad man

A bad man But rewatching the pilot, I was like, Penn is really like, he's doing the work. He's so good in it. He's really good at it. He's so charismatic. And I feel like that's like the it thing where you watch a show where you're like, hey, maybe the writing. I'm not talking about you. I'm just like in general, you're like, the writing feels so elevated by this actor.

And if another actor did it, it wouldn't be as good. Yeah, I agree with that. Wow. I love acting. Acting. TV. It's good. TV's so good.

Do you watch The Traders? No, I still haven't seen it. Allie gasped. I love it. I think you would like it. I think I would too. My only issue with it this season is they really cleaned house and got rid of all the black people real quick.

I was like, oh, that sucks. And this guy, Rob, people love him. him in the house or in the castle. And at one point, the last episode, one of the faithfuls was like, Rob's not a traitor. He definitely can't be a traitor. He's so nice. And I was like, ma'am, the name of the show is traitors. People are dying every night.

Of course there's, he could be a traitor. You could be a traitor. Yeah. The, does the audience who's watching it, do we, do we not know who the traitors are? Oh, okay. We know who the traitors are. We know who the faithfuls are. We know who the traitors murder.

Oh, okay. It's a really fun show. Yeah, sounds like it. But this season, they really did Clean House of the Black People, and I said, in February? It's our month. It's our month. We can't have nothing. No, they don't care.

Where's it shot? Scotland. Oh, well, they don't have Black History Month over there. I guess they don't. No? We are the only ones who have Black History Month? I don't know. I...

Maybe there's other... I feel like other places have, like, heritage months or days. But, like, we celebrate American Black History in the States. Yes. So in other places, maybe they celebrate their Black History, but I don't know. Yeah, there are other ones. Canada's Black History Month is in... is also in February.

The UK is in October. Oh, Scrogy. Ireland and Netherlands are also in October. Germany, it doesn't say, but it says it has one. I swear. Yeah, we have one. We have one.

Australia's in July. Okay. Brazil's in November. Okay. All right. All right. Good. Good.

Good. Did you know that a black man invented the super soaker? I did not. And then I believe they took it and then started selling it. And then he had to sue for his like royalties on it. I could be lying. Sounds right to me. Okay, cool.

I mean, I don't know. But it sounds like a story that would happen to a black man. And then I think a black man invented the doorknop. Ooh. And I think a black man invented cell phones. Maybe. What else? I think a black woman invented overalls.

That one I actually, I made that one up. The other ones I think I read somewhere. I know a traffic light, a black man invented that. And a black woman invented security cameras. Or like a security system, like an alarm system for your house. Wow. I love that. Drive your car right through this intersection.

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dot com slash best friends. And we're back. A black person invented commercial breaks. No, I don't know. Maybe. Did we want to look up commercials? I feel like we were talking about that one time. Look up commercials? Like,

Like the history of commercials? Like when they started? Because I think they used to put ads in television shows. And then they were like, no, it should be its own separate thing. But I don't remember when it started being its own separate thing. Or when they even started putting them on TV. I feel like we did look this up. But I simply can't remember because I didn't retain.

I didn't either. Allie, hit it. The first official television commercial in the United States aired on July 1st, 19th. And it was a 10-second spot for Bolova, which Bilova watches before a baseball game. And the ad was about $9. And it was broadcast on the New York station, WNBT. It's funny. One commercial.

Yeah. I got to get a watch. Yeah, I wonder. Were people like, what is happening? What is this? What is this? This isn't my program? I was watching baseball.

God, that's very, very funny. Yeah. Should we answer questions? Let's answer questions and queries. Hi, Nicole and Sashir. My name is James and I'm a 25-year-old guy. My question is regarding friendship and navigating tough conversations. In the past, I have found myself in multiple situations where I start a friendship with someone from work or college, jobs.

And very early on in the friendship, I realize that this person is not for me. They either have different interests or no interest. at all, or they're not interested at all in the things I'm into, like art or culture or music or having an intellectual conversation about anything. For lack of better words, they are usually superficial or lack passions and purpose. I can't stand putting up with people who do not excite me or challenge me in any way. So my solution has always been ghosting them because having a conversation with a young dude being like you don't challenge me intellectually is insane

and would be taken in a weird way. So my question is, how do you exit doomed friendships you're not interested in and without hurting the other person? Love and peace. Bye. 25. I feel like they're like friendships come and go at 25. Yeah, I think it's okay to ghost,

which is, yeah, it doesn't feel like the nicer right thing to do, But I think, yeah, at that age, things happen. Your attention gets diverted. Your life changes. You move. You find new friends. You find relationships, whatever. Yeah, I think it's not unheard of to, like, kind of recede from someone's life.

Especially if you've only hung out, like, twice. Yeah, you kind of owe them anything. Yeah. Yeah. Unless they question it, and they're like, why aren't you hanging out with me anymore? You go, you don't challenge me intellectually. Absolutely. You don't have a singular interest. Your brain is just nothing.

It's a basketball. Cut in half with air. You dumb motherfucker. And then you go, pop, pop, pop, and you hit them. Oh, my goodness. And that's how you deal with that. This reminds me of Jaden Smith, and he was like, why don't people talk about politics or anymore?

Like, I don't want to hang out. I want to talk about the socioeconomic climate of the world. And, like, that was, like, a clip from, like, 10 years ago. like recently we were like why weren't we talking about the socioeconomic state of the world that's actually deeply funny it's like yeah we were like la la la

things got bad yeah like actually Jada was onto something we should have been talking about this that's so funny yeah I think it's totally fine to like not commit to friends that don't excite you and find people who do yeah shoot them

shoot them pop pop pop pop Yeah, but I think, yeah, you don't owe them anything. Yeah, I think truly if there hasn't, there hasn't been like a relationship cultivated. So what's the point having a breakup? Yeah. There ain't nothing. Ain't nothing.

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Solved. Okay, this one is called, my boss became my friend, but he's a cheater. Hi, Nicole, Sashir, and lovely crew. I have a dilemma. I recently became part of a group of friends consisting of some of my coworkers. I was excited to make young adult friends, especially ones that I can see.

see at work every day. We've all hung out once so far and had a great time, but shortly after, I found out one of them cheated on a girl from work who's not a part of the group with another girl at work. I am not fond of cheaters in general, so I felt uncomfortable and confused on how to navigate this forming friendship with him, knowing he recently did this. I know it's technically not my business, but I feel icky laughing and investing time with someone who actively decided to hurt others. I recently found out through a friend of the group that he's threatening to cheat on this new girl he's seeing. All that said, two friends of this six friend group know about this, but don't seem too affected by it. Am I overreacting? I don't want to cause dysfunction in this group, but I also

don't want to compromise my morals. I can't talk to him about my feelings and wanting to figure out his motives either because we aren't close like that yet. I just feel like it would feel like an attack to him. My mind is jumbled. What should I do? I don't like cheaters. Yeah, same. I also think it's... I mean, I don't really understand cheating. So, like, the thought of someone being like, and I'm going to do it again, like, out loud? Yeah. Yeah, to be like, unashamed about it. To be like, yeah, that's what I do. I cheat as opposed to like, I can't, like, they're not like grappling with it. Yeah. I mean, me personally, I would probably phase myself out of the group and just become busy and, like, not available.

And if somebody asks, I'd be like, hey, you know, Devin's cheating is really bothering me. So I wasn't feeling great about it. So I just decided to remove myself rather than make it a thing. Yeah. Or maybe you can hang out with, like, a couple of the girls in the group. Or like, if there's people. Because it says there's six of them. them, you don't all have to hang out.

Like, if there's other people in there that you like, you can just be like, let's hang out in a smaller setting and you don't hang out with the big group, hopefully. Yeah, that's tough. But yeah, you don't have to hang out with that person.

And the other people, you know, maybe they're like, this is none of my business, but I still want to hang out with this person. That's up to them. But, like, if there's other people in the group that you like, maybe you can hang out with them, but I would stop at you at that person. Because if you feel uncomfortable, that's going to affect your hang.

You're going to, like, feel like you're on edge all the time. Also, that person's not fun. They're not cool. Yeah. They're bad. Devon's bad. Devon's bad. Hang out with Kim and Sarah.

And maybe Peter? Yeah, I like that. Imagine I got all those names right. And they're listening. They're like, oh, my God. That'd be crazy. Solved. Okay.

out, I just want to say I love y'all's podcast and it brings me so much joy to listen to while I'm working my boring-ass job. So thanks for that. Oh, and also your friendship makes me so happy. I know a ton of people always say this, but it reminds me of me and my absolute best friend. He's very much Sashir because he's more calm and composed, whereas I'm very much Nicole because things that come out of my mouth are wild and absurd and it's great. Anyway, let's get to my stupid fuckassery of a problem. Fy-I, this is going to be long. because y'all need all the info so you don't end up needing to ask me for more before fully answering. Okay.

I have a friend who I've known since 2020 and our friendship used to be really great, but I lost my job in 2024 and wasn't working for nearly six months. And that's when things started to change. We were living together until March of 2025, but he would never want to hang out with me because I needed to save money, which is fair and makes sense. Well, when we had our weekly movie show nights where we would order food to go and then watch movies and shows together, it was fucking awesome. But here's where the fuckassery comes up. He was fully fine with me paying for the food every time. Same thing when I first started working again and wasn't making much money. Even when we would go out to eat and whatnot.

Fast forward to now, he has another boyfriend. This is sadly important. And again, he is spending more of his time with someone who was most likely cheating. And when I say most likely, I mean like this man wanted to hang out with me just to help him investigate whether this ain't shit-ass man was on Grindr. Fun fact, we're pretty sure he was because the account immediately blocked me. But enough about that thing he calls a boyfriend. We also hang out with all of his other friends more than me, including the ones who don't live close to us. This dude lives 10 minutes away from me and only ever texts me to play video games.

I don't know whether to address this to him to improve our friendship or just tell him that I'm done with being friends with him. I barely have a support system and I feel like I'm holding on to something that's outlived its life, you know? Also, I totally left y'all a voicemail, but I hope it's never listened to. Or maybe it will be because it's 8 a.m. And I started this four hours ago when I woke up for work and probs left some stuff out. Anyway, that's my query question, my fuck-ass problem. Okay, thanks. Bye. P.S.

Sashir and Agatha all along is the greatest thing ever. Now I just need Nicole in the MCU and my life will be complete. Okay, bye, hope you all have a lovely day. Well, I've been holding this in. I'm playing storm. No, I'm kidding. I think they have to have a conversation. Yeah, definitely.

Like, yeah, I'm feeling a little, like, underappreciated, and we only hang out to, like, Harriet the Spy, whether or not your boyfriend's cheating or I'm paying for everything and I would love for it to be a little bit more 50-50. Yeah, I agree. Yeah, I think if you enjoy this person and like them being in your community

or like your support system, it's worth having conversation. And then it's up to them to change. And if they don't, then you have your answer. Like, you have information. And it is possible like you, care about this friendship more than the other person.

Which is a sad realization. We don't know that though. Because if you bring this up, maybe the person's like, oh my God, I had no idea. That's how I was coming off. Or like I had no idea I was treating that way. Like, of course you mean a lot to me. Let me adjust.

But then also maybe they can't. And maybe like it's, yeah. Sadly, there is a possibility where they cannot be a better friend to you. Yeah. And then, but like, give them the chance to show that, I guess. Yeah. And then you can find other people who appreciate you more and will pay for their own food. It's wild that they're paying for this other person's food when they didn't have a job.

Yeah. Because I pay for my own food. Yeah. It's okay to pay for your own food. I don't even know. How would that have even started? Maybe it's like you're ordering it through Postmates or whatever. and they're just not giving you money.

Yeah. But I would Venmo request the second week. Yeah. Like, you let me this. You forgot. Oopsies. It's this much. Whoopsy Daisy.

You owe me money. Should we do one more? Let's do one more. Uno more. Oh, very good. Grazie. Grazie. Thank you, muchacha.

No, just a macha. Oh, no. Graziezsche la Mujer. Thank you woman. Yep, that's how I wanted to say that. Grazie, my amiga? No. Mm-hmm.

Graziez, much, amiga. How do you say best? I actually don't know how you say best. Ali, how you say best in Spanish? Mejores amicus. Mejores amigas. And Los Hermonas Krimosa. Las Jimonas Cremosa.

We're the Kimi Sisters. That's lovely. That was nice. That was nice. Hi, Nicole and Sashir. I love your podcast and recently saw Nicole. Thanks so much for a great show. You're welcome.

Here's my question. When do you let a friendship go? I previously lived in another state and became close friends with one of my coworkers. Let's call her Annie. For years, Annie and I talked every day, traveled together, and spent the holidays together. She met my family and I met hers. We supported each other through so many hard times. When I moved away, we kept our close friendship for years. We still spoke all the time and she visited me. After the pandemic, she moved and I visited her in her new state too. Something's changed in the

past year or so, though. Every time I text her, it takes her longer and longer to respond, sometimes weeks or months. I brought this up with her earlier this year and let her know I love and miss her and I'm here for her when she's ready to talk. She immediately responded and said that she thinks about me all the time, but things have been really hard for her lately and she doesn't want to burden me. I told Annie, I'm here for all of her, the good and the bad, and she's never a burden to me. Things were good again for about a week. Now it's been over two months since I've heard from her, and I was the last one to reach out. I don't know what's going on. I know friendships fade and that some don't last forever, but this is a really hard one for me to lose. At the same time, I don't want to always be

the one initiating contact and I don't want to feel like I'm bugging her to get a response. Do I just let things go at this point? It honestly breaks my heart to lose this friendship. Thank you for your perspective. This one oddly sounds familiar. Like maybe we've answered it already. But honestly, maybe not. I don't know if I heard it.

Maybe I'm just having... Deja vu? Yes. Oh, you know French. We, we? Oh. I think it's worth jumping on the phone and having like a real conversation

as opposed to like texting how you're feeling. Yeah. I... This feels a little bit like it has nothing to do with the person who wrote in because it sounded like she responded and was like, sorry, I'm going through a tough time

or something like that. Which she probably is. Yeah. And it's possible that if she is reaching out to people, maybe it's like people who are close, unfortunately. You don't live in the same stage.

She doesn't see you as often. So like if she does have the capacity to share how she's feeling or what she's going through with somebody, it might be other people or maybe nobody. We don't know. But I don't think it's probably not like she doesn't want to reach out to you. She might not be able to right now because she's in a whole thing. And I have had friends where like I was like,

where are they? Like, they're, like, going through it in a relationship or, like, going through it emotionally or super busy work-wise or whatever. Like, they're just, like, in their own world. And then one day they'll come back. Not always, but, like, sometimes it'll pop back up and be like, hi, I'm, like, above water again. And it's like, oh, there you are. Okay.

And it had nothing to do with me. They just, like, didn't have the capacity to be present. And so, yeah, I'm guessing that's probably what's happening with this other friend, which you can reach out and be like, hey, are you available? But you already told this person you want the good and the bad and, like, you are available if they need you. So hopefully she knows that. But she might not be able to have reached out to you or like. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe she's doing a bunch of, like, local crying. Yeah. You know, crying with people. In her local spots locally. And she can't do the long distance.

on the phone crying. Maybe, because you reached out, you said you're here for like the good and the bad, whatever. Did they tell us what she responded with or no? I don't know. Okay. So maybe it's like, hey, can we set up a phone chat like a month from now? Just to check in so I can just check in to see how you are because, I mean, don't put it on her to be like you're not sharing with me. But I just want to make sure that you're doing okay.

so can we just have like a little monthly check-in for now? Yeah. Yeah, that can work. But I don't want this person also feel like they have to check in. Like, yeah. Because sometimes it's like, because maybe the person, if she's going through it and is crying locally, maybe it feels like too much to add, like to give another rundown to somebody else of like, here's why I'm going through it.

Like that can be exhausting. Maybe she's just like, I'll talk to you when I'm in a better place. Yeah. But doesn't want to say that for whatever reason? Yes. And I do understand that like it might be more about Annie, right? That's what we're calling her, Annie. Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm. But maybe for the person who wrote in, maybe they need to contact for themselves. So maybe it's just like, hey, I was thinking of you no need to respond. Yeah. I love that. Yeah. Or like, I hope things are going a little bit better. No need to respond.

Yeah. So then you don't feel like, you know, left hanging or whatever, but you're like you did what made you feel good, which was reach out. Yeah. Or even just like, look at this funny squirrel. And what's that squirrel doing? Something funny. Stand up. I was going for a walk and I saw a squirrel doing a tight five.

It had a little acorn microphone and everything. And there was a squirrel audience. It was crazy. And then Annie's like, are you okay? Wait, I need to actually check it on you. So that's the advice. Flip it and reverse it. You're now going through it.

You're having a psychotic break. And the squirrels are hilarious. No, but I agree. This thing made me laugh thinking of you. So it's not so... Because also like sometimes if it like relationships feels like all we do is like deep dive that can be like exhausting

and that person might not want to do that or if they're like I know I needed to call you because you are expecting a check in from me but I don't want to give it then they're like that then they delay that but if it's just like light or just like this made me think of you or like this reminds me of a joke that we have that might be nice

and hopefully inspire more like response yeah you can start like squirrel chat squirrel chat like you sent a funny squirrel squirrel and then she's will be like, squirrels are funny. And then maybe it like brightens her day when she sees, you know, cleavis the squirrel being so funny. And then she sends it back and then you have squirrel chat.

I like that. Squirrel chat. Well, the Creamy Sisters really got to the bottom of the case. Oh, boy. It's the end of the episode. If you have any questions or queries or we want to talk about squirrels. Yes. If you want to join our squirrel chat, you can call us to

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