Best Friends with Nicole Byer and Sasheer Zamata - Nicole and Sasheer’s Hot Tub Time Machine

Episode Date: April 15, 2026

Nicole and Sasheer are back from a Creamy Girls Take East Coast trip and are ready to dive into all of the hilarious details, from a visit to Nicole’s school in search of spicy chicken to finding a novelty jacuzzi at a couples-only hotel. Our favorite pair also ponders if bugs have hobbies, the right thing to say as a waiter when someone finds a foreign object in their food, and the joy of having ice cream for brunch. Watch this full video on YouTube and follow below!Follow Nicole: Twitter, Instagram, TikTokFollow Sasheer: Instagram, TikTokLike the show? Rate Best Friends 5 stars on Spotify and Apple Podcasts!Have a friendship question for Nicole and Sasheer to solve? Leave us a voicemail at [phone]‬ or write in at [e-mail] Friends is a production of Headgum Studios. Our producer is Allie Kahan. Our executive producer is Anya Kanevskaya. The show is edited, mixed, and engineered by Richelle Chen.This is a Headgum podcast. Follow Headgum on Twitter, Instagram, and Tiktok. Advertise on Best Friends via Gumball.fm.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Hello, Nicole. How are you? I'm good. How are you? I'm pretty good. Okay. I was cleaning and I found this shirt. It was behind my hamper.

Oh. Can you believe? Sneaky. Sneaky, sneaky. It's from that costume liquidation thing. Oh, yes. The outside one where it was too dang hot. It was so hot and there's nowhere to try clothes on inside.

And I don't think I tried this one on at all, but it works. I love that it's a longer short sleeve. Yes, usually short sleeves are very short. Yes, this one's not. But it's not quite a three-quarter sleeve. Yeah. Wow. It's like a half sleeve?

Yeah. Yeah. Like hitting the half of the arm? Yes, this is a half sleeve. I love her. Yeah. I said, summer's here! It's hot outside.

Girl, you're telling me. It is so hot. Clyde and I went on a walk today and I was like, I know you're feeling better, but like, we have to go back inside. I was wearing shorts. Damn. I was hot. It's hot. My God.

But I'm happy about it. Yes. It's much other than rain or cold, thankfully. Yes. The bugs are also out, too. Yes. Because it's so dang hot. Yes.

And then they went inside my house. They were trying to find refuge from the heat. Probably. But little did they know. You don't turn your air on. That is also true. They're like, God damn. Who is hot in here too?

That's probably why they were still in the window because they were like, get me out of here. This is a breeze. So funny. Yeah, it was like I found five wasps. There were two blue ones that I think they're, They were like mud something. Muds in their name. And then two yellow jackets and then one big daddy that I don't know what it's called.

And they were thankfully very chill. Like I just walked in the bathroom and they were on the window. And I was like, hey guys. I don't want you here. And I just like cranked open the window and they were like, bye. And they just flew out. Well, maybe they were calm because they were like, well, this lady's a terrorist. The air's not on.

We're really hot. I'd rather be out there. We gotta get outside and maybe we're calm. She'll just let us out. Like, I want any trouble. I just want to go back outside. Now they're outside telling their friends are like, don't go in there. I hope so.

Spread the word. Don't come in the house. But you told me to put painters tape on the edge of the window because I had an inspector come by and they're like, it's probably coming from the window, not from the bathroom event. Because I was like, it's coming from the vent. And then I taped the window. And they haven't been back since. So maybe they were crawling through the window. But, like, the crack that was, like, between the window and the wall is so small that I'm like, I mean, also bugs can get through anything, I guess.

Yeah. And I guess if, like, you don't really have hobbies or, like, things to do, maybe your hobby is squeezing your bug body into tiny little cracks. Concentrate on this. I'll spend hours doing this. Well, you know, I procrastinated all day yesterday. And I can, you know, I can believe a honey bee is like, I don't want to make more honey. Can I do something else? Maybe if I get stuck in this house, the queen will forgive me?

The queen will forgive me. Well, isn't there a queen? There is a queen. Oh, okay. I was like, oh, no. It was very funny that, like, a bee coming back to the high being like, I don't have any honey. But it's because it got locked in the house. You have to understand.

Wait, where is this movie? Where is this movie about this little worker bee who didn't want to work? Ooh, I like it. it. Yeah. A lazy bee. A lazy bee. Oh my. And that's the name of it. Lazy bee. Yeah. Oh my God. Brenda the bumblebee doesn't want to work.

They're like, Brenda, get back to work. Everyone's working their ass off. And she's like, working their sting off. Somebody make it. Not with AI. Please. Somebody who animates, make it animatic for us for free.

Wait, I actually think I really love this idea. So what's your guys' next project? Brenda the Bumbley. Just picture this. They're like, oh, okay. So you guys don't want to be in it? Well, we'll voice it. But like, no, no.

Animation is the star. Yeah. I think I like it. It'll take it 16 years to make it. But we're dedicating our lives to it. It will take a... Animation takes so long. I mean, I'm just absent-minded and forget things, but I have voiced things and then got an email like two years later that like, here's the promo stuff.

And I'm like, what? Like, oh, yeah. This didn't come out already? Oh, my God. Somebody's in my eye. Oh, no. Who is she? Brenda.

Brenda filling your eye. No, I think I'm good. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, like, thankfully, I really do hope, it does feel like there's a. like a pendulum swing where people are really opposed to seeing AI slop. And I hope that also like is ingrained in art where people are like,

I don't want to see a movie that has an AI sequence or I don't want to see it. Like I want to see it actually animated or actually like a computer generated or whatever. Yeah. Like an actual CGI artist creating it with the tools that it's, it's, I think you're right. I do think a pendulum swing is happening. I think a big one's going to happen in four years. Yeah. That is my prediction.

I watched a movie with Jet Lee in it. Here's my biggest question after watching that movie. Where are the international movie stars? We had Jet Lee. Jackie Chan. Yeah, yeah. The list ends there for me. I can't think of another one.

Well, I guess maybe that. that like, no, yeah. I was going to say that, like, martial arts style movies was like such a trend at one point. Uh-huh. And even though we do have fight movies, I don't know if, like, they're specifically martial arts like that. Yeah.

I guess. We moved to Gunfu. We have moved to Gunfu. You watched that John Wick documentary. I did. Yes. I just rewatched the John Wicks. They're perfect.

But this movie, the one with Jet Lee, it's so fun. The fight sequences are truly incredible. There's some wire stuff that I was like, hey now, that would never happen, but I was like, yeah. And then there's like, Papa Roach on the soundtrack. What's that song? I need a little bit more. I think. I think that's how it goes.

I feel like I'm getting it vaguely. I'm also having a hard time figuring out of any Popper Roach song in my head. Ooh, what's the one I'm thinking of? Is it Last Resort? This is my last resort. Yes, that's the Papa Roach song I was thinking of. And then they had that song, Let the bodies hit the floor.

Was that the same one? What is that? Is that Popper? I don't think that's Popper Roach. Maybe not. It had a really great soundtrack to, like, I was dancing along with the movie. And then I was screaming about the fighting. I was so rowdy. That's funny.

Truly so rowdy in my house. That's fun. That's fun. Is this the movie where they zoom in and you can see an x-ray of their bodies, like their bones breaking? No. This is a movie where Jet Lee plays a bad guy who is hopping into alternate timelines to kill the alternate version of himself to take their powers.

And he's on trial and they're like, you got the last one. We're going to fry you up. And then his girlfriend comes and she releases a rat from her shoe. And then the rat does something and then he like breaks free and goes to another alternate timeline. And in this one, there's one left. There's one left. But he's a good jetty. And he's not a criminal like the other ones.

And then they have to fight each other. Oh, my goodness. And Jason Statham's in it. Oh, we love that. In Delroy Lindo. We love that. Oh, my good, all-star cast. And the lady from Spy Kids.

Wow, that's rude of me not to know her name. Carla, something. You watch Spy Kids? You've never seen Spy Kids? I haven't. Spike Kids is a great time. Ooh. I think you'd really like Spy Kids.

Okay. It's a fun movie. Yeah. It's silly. It knows what movie it is. And everyone's having a great time. Great. Much like this Jet League movie, The One.

Yeah. I'm a Jet Lee Head now. I see that. I texted you last night. I says, go flip your lid. And honestly, I stand by it. I can't wait to watch. I'll watch it with you.

Oh, great. God, I had such a good time. Oh, we should talk about Creamy Girl weekend. Oh, yes, we had a Creamy Girl weekend. So it was really fun. But Middletown High School South no longer serves spicy chicken. They flipped to, like, being healthier, I guess. And they really wouldn't give any answers other than the website being like,

we don't have it. And me being like, but maybe they will. Maybe I just wish hard enough. Yeah. And then everyone at that school remembered the spicy chicken and kept going, oh, yeah, that was really good. And I was like, then bring it back. Yeah. And then they don't have Otis Spunky Meyer cookies.

Yeah. That was a surprise, actually. Right? Because I feel like that's just a school staple. That's what I think. Fresh baked cookies as you walk the halls at 9 a.m. Oh, my God. Might as well have me there at sunrise.

It's so great. 9 a.m. school? You want me to learn? Oh my God. It is crazy. I think they get there at 7. What? I remember getting into school at 7. You got to school at 7? Yes. Did I? Probably not. Seven? Yes. Like 730. And then classes started at 7.30? I think maybe it was like whatever the first, like, opening period was, which I don't remember what that was called. But then, yeah, then you had classes. I really feel like I got to school at 9 a.m. every day. I mean, that could be possible.

But I feel like I had to be in a class, in a classroom at like 7.30. Whoa, that's wild. I simply don't. Maybe. Maybe I block that out of my memory. I mean, it doesn't make sense. It's not rational. No, that's so early.

Also, I don't want to, like, drag the kids at my alma mom. moderate. They were so quiet. I remember high school being so much louder. They were really quiet. They were very well behaved. I was just like walking down the hallway being like, hi. It was wild. Good morning. It was very sweet. I was like, I don't think I was like this. I remember kids like running around papers. I feel like in my mind I have like a that scene from main girls where like papers are flying in the air and people are tackling each other. That didn't happen all the time. But yeah, I do feel like kids. were rowdier. I think they were rowdier. Yeah. And then they all seemed to be like in class. Nobody was like roaming the hallways. I was always roaming the hallways. That's funny. And I would smoke in the bathroom. There was no cigarette smoke anywhere in that school. Do the kids not smoke? Oh, they're vaping. Oh, they're vaping. That's true. That's true. And maybe also like, I don't, I wonder if there's, if there's something about the increase of phones. Like, because you can just like film somebody.

doing something bad and be like, gnarcing on them. Wow. Big Brother. Yes. I would be, I would be enemy of the state. I have no idea if that's what that movie's about.

But I don't either. I know Will Smith's in it. Nice. But yeah, it really confounded me. Yeah. I was like, oh, my God. Oh, and then I went and visited, I'm so old that most of my teachers had retired.

But I visited one teacher who my guidance counselor was like, She remembers you and I was like, she does not. And that's a okay. And a kid was like, can I get my phone? I was like, yeah, they asked permission. It blew me away. Because I feel like everything I hear is like, the kids are bad. Yeah.

I was like, these kids are really good. Those kids are really good. Hopefully, that's the reality. Because on my phone, on the videos I see, kids are being misbehaved in all over the place. Yes. But maybe that's a small percentage. Maybe. Hmm.

Yeah. One bad apples spoiling the bunch. Is that that phrase? Sounds like it. Oh, okay. Yeah. It really did not roll off my tongue and confused me. One bad apple spoils the bunch.

Yeah. Say it with confidence. One bad apple spoils the bunch. It still didn't feel right. And we spoke to the drama kids at your school. And that was so nice. It was really nice. And I was like, in lieu of change.

chicken. It feels nice to do this. One of the kids was like, are you coming back? I was like, no. And I didn't mean for it to come out like that. But I was like, you don't have anything I need here, which is spicy chicken. I only came for spicy chicken. You don't have it. This is it. This is a goodbye forever. But they asked such good questions. Yeah. Questions that made me like, think before I answered them. I was like, wait, that should always be the case. It's a rare moment where I actually thought about the question before I answered. I do feel like with adults, I'm like, because it doesn't matter, but I was like, I don't know,

there's 16, 17, it matters. Yeah. And I should be thoughtful with it. My favorite question was, how do I be more confident performing? Because I really thought about it, because I get nervous, and I'm not, like, not confident about before.

I'm just like, if I'm nervous, I care. Yeah. But I was like, nobody wants you to fail. Yeah. So if you just have that in the back of your brain. And when I was like, when it was rolling off the time, I was like, holy shit, this is so good. That was a good answer.

Thank you. My other favorite question was, this girl was like, I get really burnt out with all the activities in high school. How did you combat that? And I went, uh, and you weren't, I'll take it. Nicole didn't do a single thing in high school. And I was like, and my guys guys were just nodded her head. I really didn't.

Yeah. That's okay. You turned out, right? Hey, thank you. That's nice. The kids are all right. I don't know what that movie's about. You keep quoting things that you don't know about.

Things are just popping up in my head. It is funny that there are all movies that I simply haven't seen. Wow, my summer shirt's making me. She's having fun today. Oh, and then we found, so you also, part of this Creamy Sister, East Coast. trip, you wanted to go to a resort in the Poconos because they had a champagne-shaped jacuzzi. And I looked it up and I was like, the Poconos is not close enough to everything else we're

doing. And it was really stressing on the websites, couples only. And I was like, oh, my God, are they going to make us prove it? What's happening? Make us check and they're like, kiss. Kiss. Kiss. Kiss.

Kiss. Finger each other. And I was like, maybe let's not do that one. And then somehow I stumbled upon a different hotel that did have a champagne glass jacuzzi. It was wild. It was as if like, I don't know, the universe or God, whoever you want to believe in was like, Shish, I'm going to help you make your friend deeply happy. Oh my God, I'm almost going to cry.

I loved, I loved that champagne tub so much. I loved it so much. I don't understand. And I don't understand why everything is a gray box. Yeah. When you can have a champagne fluted bathtub. Yeah. I don't think it, because I cleaned it before we cut in it,

because it was definitely a sex hotel. Yeah. Yeah, the other hotel was for love. Yes, this one was like, we're only fucking hair. Smash it out and get out. We had to pay for the remote. Yeah.

To pay for the remote. You rent the room for the hour. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. People checked in at midnight. Yes. Every room was blasting music. I loved it so much.

And I remember, like, we walked in, and at first I was like, I don't think I want to touch anything. But then I was like, no, I smell bleach. They're taking care of everybody here. And everything I, like, touched, I was like, no, this was recently cleaned. And I feel so safe and secure. And then I kept being like, I love it here. I love it here so much. And then we just watched it.

TV. In the jacuzzi. I've never been happier. It was really fun. Oh my. And then when we decided to go to bed, I was like, okay, I'm a rinse off. But it's not like, there was no chlorine or anything. It's literal, like a literal bathtub.

And you went, oh, okay. And then you just sat in there and watched the rest of the documentary. Because you were rinsing off and there's only one shower. And I didn't want to like, I don't know, just being wet in my bathing suit or taking off my bathing suit and still being like kind of wet. And waiting for the shower didn't sound appealing. So I just sat in a, like, non-bubbled jacuzzi. Like, the jets were off, and I just sitting in still waters watching the Tyra documentary. I wish I had taken a picture of that.

It was so funny. And I was so far away because it's so high up. And I'd be like, she's crazy. And you'd be like, oh, that's crazy. Yeah, I was like, eight feet above you. Well, you're on the couch. And I got a little overzealous because when I started filling it, the hot water wasn't super hot. So I only left the hot water on.

And then when I got in it, I was like, who's burning me up? Yeah. Who was burning me up? Pretty hot. And then I got in it when it was still a little too hot because I was so excited. And then I just couldn't stop sweating. I was like, it's hot, right? You want cold water?

And you were like, it's fine, I think. And I was like, fine for who? We were having two different experiences. I was like, I waited. I was like, it's way too hot. And then I got in when it was like a little cooler and I was like, okay, this is nice. And then you were like, should we turn on the cold water? And I was like, I think it's okay.

I got so hot I was drinking water. Great. Maybe that's what we have to do to get you to drink water. Get you so hot. Put your ass outside. Put your ass outside. Oh, man. That sounds so awful to get so hot.

Just so I drink water. Yeah, but it'll work. Yeah, I try. I try so hard. Yeah. I try so hard. Thank God so far. But in the end, it doesn't even matter.

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So I'm like, someone in L.A. should do a themed hotel. Hmm. Definitely. Who do I talk to? Gavin Newsom. Make it happen? Make a mandate that a Hilton has to have a themed hotel. Well, I feel like a themed hotel is usually just owned by a family or just like one entity that, because also you have to dedicate a lot of time and effort to making the theme, making all the rooms different or sourcing the cool shaped tubs or beds or whatever.

where I think that's why most hotels are just like, it's plain because that's just easy. Yeah. But someone should do that. But it's also like who has the resources and the creativity to buy a hotel or buy a property to build a hotel and then also create something cool? All right, Sashir. You're right. Maybe that can be a goal for you one day. You can make a hotel.

That's so crazy. It never once occurred to me that it could be me. You can be the change. I can be a hotel. You can be a hotel. Yeah, maybe I'll do that one day. Yeah. I wonder how much money it would cost to like make a hotel.

I have no idea. Hey, if someone's in business or finance listening, put together a sheet of numbers for me. I also wonder if it would like make more sense to buy a hotel that's already, that's like not doing well or like, is closed and then revamp it or to just build it from scratch. Probably revamp me thinks because the structure is already there. Yeah. Where do I get heart-shaped tubs from? Oh my God.

Maybe every tub is a shape. Oh, that's fun. Stars. Stars, yes. Clovers. A diamond. Diamonds. Scooby-Doo.

A Scooby-Doo. A scopeed tube. I don't know. And then we have one. And Scooby-Doo room. They were like, I thought I understood the theme. And now there's a Scooby-Doo room. That would be really funny.

There were, like, specific themes, and then one wildcard room. Really funny. And you can't book it. We'll just put you in it one day. It's a surprise. Yeah, I have a prank hotel. That's fun. There is a theme sex hotel in Vegas that I want to go to.

Where I think they have, like, a jungle room. Ooh, that's fine. Where it's like all leopard print, and there's a strange. dripper pole in there. Oh, that's all you. That's my fucking jam. I'm wearing leopard print now. That's true. You always are. Swanging on that pole two days ago. Oh, hell you. She's prepared. And I'm still so sore. Yeah. Veronica's very kind, but she believes in me too much. We worked on a sequence two weeks ago, and then we had Creamy Girl weekend, and then I went on Wednesday, and she was like, let's do the sequence from last week. You did it a couple times last week, so it's

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I do that. Boy, it's hard. It's hard. Also on Creamy Girl weekend. We went and saw Moulon Rouge. We did with Bob the Drag Queen. Bob was so good. So good.

Yeah. Oh, I had a real time. I had so much fun. Yeah, the songs were fun. Bob was fun. The dancing's fun. I guess I have seen Mulan Rouge before, but I forgot that the Harold Ziegler,

is that the name, the character name, how meaty of a role that is. I was like, oh, Bob's here again. Bob's here again. I feel like in the movie it wasn't as meaty. I don't think so. I think he just like, you know,

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Definitely. Oh, my God. Those sets. Oh, the sets were so cool. Oh. Yeah. I love all the hearts like coming in from the sky and like aligning. It was really like a pop-up book. Yes. Very that. And sometimes when I watch things like that, I'm like people's minds. I don't even, I don't understand the construction of how that happened. I don't know if they needed like an engineer to, like, or they know how to do it. Yeah. It was so incredible. It was cool.

Big old elephant. I, ugh. Yeah. Oh, loved. Loved. And then the singers, oh. Very good. Yeah.

Every time I see a Broadway show, I am so inspired to sing. Yeah. I have an appointment with Doug. Oh, great. Set up. Great. She's back in it. Back in it.

I gotta, like, really dedicate myself because I would really, I just want to sing. Yeah. I'm so jealous. Do you ever sing in the car? Oh, yes. All the fucking time. Yeah.

But I sing hard things like Lady Gaga, where I'm like, well, friend, or Beyonce, and I'm like, you're reaching for the stars here, friend. But then I learned that they can change music for you in a show. What do you mean? So notes or like the, the, the key? Yes, yes.

I was going to say the range. But yeah, they can, like, lower the key for you if you need a lower key. Yeah. And I was like, I love live theater. Mm-hmm. We can just make adjustments. That's true.

Do you sing high or low? Or mid-range? I think I sing low. Mm-hmm. I think. Yeah. But I don't really know what I sound like. I don't really, like, hear myself.

Have you recorded yourself? Yes. But then I go, oh, that's not me. That's not me. Something's changed in the phone. This does that represent me. Yeah, I think it's like kind of low-ish. I mean, I've learned about head voice and chest voice.

And I believe I sing, I think what I want to sing is always in my chest voice. Because I feel like it sounds stronger. But, you know, now that I'm thinking of it, I think I, sing high. I think maybe it's mid. Yeah. Because I can't go like high, high, high. Yeah, I think it's mid. Great. What are you? I sing low. I'm an alto.

Oh. And I live in my chest voice, but I would like to get better at a mix, which is your head voice and your chest voice together. But that's hard. I don't even know what that requires. I've done it before with Doug. Or, our voice.

vocal coach, but I don't know how I got there. I remember him asking too, but do you know how you got there? And I like, I do not. We, so I have stopped and started singing lessons so many times. And then when I started this last time, well, I stopped. Yeah, the last time I started, we had like this little mini breakthrough where I was like, I think I'm so scared to sing because it is a thing where it's like there's a definitive you're bad or you're good. You're hitting a note or you're not hitting a note. You're flat or you're sharp or you're like actually doing it right. And I was like with comedy, it's just like maybe you're not everyone's cup of tea, but you might be someone else's cup of tea. But with singing, it's pretty definitive. And I feel

like that's very vulnerable to be like, is this good? Yeah. No, actually you were sharp. Or yes, that was actually good or no. Yeah. And now that I've gotten over it, oh boy, do I sing loud and wrong? Nice. Sing loud and wrong. And Doug will be like, do you know what happened there? And I'll go, absolutely not. No, I certainly don't. That's great, though. Yeah. That's a good breakthrough.

It was. And now it makes karaoke easier. Yeah? Yeah, because I'm like, some of these people will be really, really great, but then also some people won't be. But listen, we're all having fun. It's for fun. Mm-hmm.

Yeah. Yeah, I think it's more fun when people are, like, being silly than being like, here's my solo, you know? Mm-hmm. I mean, it's also nice to hear a really great voice, too. Yes. But also, for the group. For the community.

Yes. For the fellowship. It's, yeah. Speaking of fellowship, after Milan Rouge, we had a nasty little treat in Times Square. We went to Virgil's Real Barbecue. Yeah, yeah. Nobody will ever go with me. It's in the heart of Times Square.

I have tried so hard to get people there, but I was like, we're in Times Square. Yeah. I can get nuts for nuts. Four for $10. And we can go to Virgil's. I had a time. Yeah. I love it so much.

It was good. Thank you. They did try to kill you though. They did. They were, they were like, any allergies? And I was like, I have a shellfish allergy. And they're like, oh, okay, well, we do put everything in the same oil. And I was like, oh, I mean, I think that I've probably had that before.

And they're like, it's up to you, though. And then a manager came, and she was like, just got to let you know. Like, it's really up to you. It's your decision. We fry everything in the same oil. And I was like, okay. But, all right. It really felt like they were like, we don't want your death on our hands because it will be, but we did tell you.

Yeah. Then at one point, she was like, we can use different tongs. And I was like, well. I think it's the oil. Yeah. I don't think the tongs really have anything to do with it. But then we, like, really looked at the menu and you're like, there's one shrimp dish that's deep fried. Yeah.

Yeah, just make that separate. So I had half of a French fry, and I was like, I do taste the shrimp, which, I mean, and maybe no one else could, but because I don't usually have it anymore, I was like, I can see what they're saying. So, like, that sucks. So the fried catfish, the French fries, fried chicken, like any fry thing has been tainted. I'm so sorry. I could not taste the shrimp, but also, I don't really smell or taste a lot of things. It's really crazy. I dated this guy who would like eat meat and then be like, it's gamey or like this meat isn't good.

And I'd be like, I'm having a nice time. I simply don't know what you're talking about. Huh. Yeah. Or like deep fried things. You'll be like, oh, it has like a taste of something. And I'm like, I don't know. It tastes like what I'm eating.

Has this always been the case? Yes. Yeah. I don't think it's like a COVID thing or anything. Yeah. Yes. Yes. because I worked with this girl who, if chicken was funny, she, like, wouldn't eat it.

And then I'd always taste it and be like, it's chicken. Hmm. I don't know. I mean, that does. I feel like, of the people I know, you are someone who has eaten a lot of, like, rotten food. I must say, thank you so much for trying to find the words. Not just saying you're the person I know. know who eats the most rotten food.

But I am. Yes, I am. But I can see, like, because you don't have a defense, you don't have, there's nothing in you that's like, oh, I shouldn't. You have nothing protecting you. I should not eat this. You're just like, taste all the same to me. It is kind of wild. I've eaten so much rotten food.

What was the last rotten thing I ate? Oh, I tried to eat a rotten apple. It was definitely, like, withered away on half of it. So I like cut it up and I was like trying to eat around it And then I hit like a real nasty part and I was like I think I gotta give that one up I could buy an apple I truly act like I've never had a penny to my name It's really funny

I used to eat old burgers Yeah I remember this We would have improv shows and then I would get Whohoo rip roaring drunk just having a real nice time And then I would get a burger And then fall asleep and then wake up and be like A treat And then eat it and then be like I don't know why I'm so sick

This burger's been out for hours for the whole night. Oh, another recent one was I got bread. Did you know like bread doesn't live that long? I guess I'd never thought of how long it lives. It's like a week. A loaf of bread

like lasts a week or something. I'm pretty sure it's like really short. I don't get bread. I know. I know. You don't have a single... I have nothing in my house. Nothing from a supermarket in that house. but I thought bread lasted a long, long time. But then I was like, I made a simple sandwich, and then I ate it,

and then I was like, I want to make a simple sandwich tomorrow. And then I looked at the bag and I was like, there's mold. There's mold. Yeah. So I'm like, I probably ate mold. Probably. I did see a video on Instagram where people in other countries were putting slices of bread that they got from their grocery store under water.

and it would dissolve. And the people in the States would take a piece of bread and put it underwater, and it was like a sponge. It would just, like, not dissolve, be the same. The one guy was, like, squishing it, and it would open back up. Oh, no. Yeah. I hope my bread's not doing that.

What kind of bread do you get? I think it's, okay, there was, like, a picture of a wolf on it, and I thought that was fun. Okay. I think it's like wolf bread. Ink bread? Ink wolf? I don't know. I often think about.

just going back to old food, when I bought that like Costco economy size jar of ranch, that was like maybe two gallons or, I don't know, three. It was like gallons. And I was like,

ooh wait, I've been working my way through it for months. And you were like, when does it expire? And I was like, wait, what? I do remember that. I was like, I don't know if it should be months. I had zero idea that ranch dressing expired.

as a full, this was maybe two years ago. Yeah. And I'm sure it was like slightly tangy or something. But I do, maybe I actually, I think we did look up how long it lasts. I can't remember. But I would probably equate it to ketchup or something. Because in my mind, ketchup takes a long time to expire. But it does expire.

But I don't know when. I worked at a restaurant where the ketchup was so foul. It had such a, so like for me to be like, this is bad. It was bad because we would marry the ketchupes at night. Yeah. And I don't think they ever got, like, cleaned out. I think it was just years and years of different catchups.

It was so gross. And nobody ever complained about it. Hmm. Maybe it was fine. I guess it was fine. It must have been. I guess. I remember a customer found a twisty tie in their food.

No. And they were like, excuse me. And I was like, yes? And they were like, there's a twisty tie my food. I went, oh, no, that's nasty. Then my manager was like, you don't say that. I agree. That's nasty.

Because they were, like, pretty quiet. And I was like, ah! I was at a restaurant, and I got brunch, and there was hair in my eggs. And I was like, I told a waitress or somebody. I was like, yeah, there's hair here. And the waitress is like, oh, I know who that belongs to. And I was like, I don't want to know that. That's really funny.

That's Charles. I got to get Charles back his little lock. He ain't got that much to lose. It's like, ma'am, what? That's a wild response. I guess, of course, it belonged to somebody, but just knowing, I don't want to know. I don't want to know the human attached to that. God, that's so funny.

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We went to the Mermaid Inn on the Upper West Side. Shout out to them because they have ice cream cones. I got an ice cream cone for brunch. With sprinkles. Oh, what a dream. Yeah. I was so happy in that moment. You looked really happy.

I think our server thought I was, um, hmm. Strange. I don't know. I don't know a nice way to say what I felt like because he was like, yeah, you can have an ice cream cup. Yeah, I think you're like, do you guys serve ice cream? And he's like, yeah. Yeah. And he's like, we can't put sprinkles on it. You're like, real?

I had like a dolphin sweatshirt on with your hair and like little space buns. You're like, oh boy! He's like, okay. Yeah, I was so excited. And that sweatshirt's funny because we went to my place to change. And I was like, should I change into this? And you were like, it's the same sweatshirt. It was like also had a white collar and just a different graphic. I was like, this is a same. I know what I like. She does.

Oh, boy, that ice. I think about that ice cream. It's good ice cream. Oh, good. Mm-hmm. I remember you either finished or you were about to finish and you're like, is it rude that I didn't ask you to have a lick? And I was like, I don't think of ice cream cones for sharing. If it was in a bowl, I could scoop it, but I don't want to also lick your ice cream cone.

I think I was just so excited. And I was like, I gobble this down. without any sort of consideration. That's okay. But yeah, it is weird and gross to lick the same ice cream cone as somebody. Even if you're dating, it's kind of like, get your own.

Yeah. Yuck. Yuck. I do love ice cream. I meant to take you to Dairy Queen. Oh, that's right. That was on the list. Damn.

We did a lot of things, though. We did. We did. We did. Shout out to the Linkroft Dairy Queen. Shut up to Lakecroft. Why, shout out. Yeah.

And Joyce's subs, which is right next to the Linkcroft Dairy Queen. I wonder if they're still open. Oh, my God. They had the best bacon egg and cheese. Ooh. And we would get it before going to the bowling alley with my mom. That's fun. Yeah.

That's real fun. I have so many memories of that bowling alley. They had a kids room that was so nasty. Oh. Just gross toys. Like, just children at touch and they were sticky. Oh, yeah. But then they had video games and that was fun.

And people smoked inside. Those were the dives. days. It's probably where my addiction started. Oh, maybe. You're like, this is cool. Smoking's cool. When did it start?

I'll never quit. I actually think it started in high school. Yeah, because you have to learn how to smoke, and I remember learning how to smoke, and I was like, this is tough. Yeah. I think I tried a cigarette in college, and I was like, ew. Ouch. It burns.

And then when I lived with Mateo, for some reason, he was really fixated on getting me to smoke eight cigarettes. He's like, I'm going to get you to smoke eight cigarettes this year. And I was like, no, you won't. And he didn't. I was like, I don't want it. What a fun, arbitrary number. Oh, my God. What a dream that he was like, I want you to smoke eight cigarettes.

Yeah. And maybe we were like at a show outside. And he's like, do you want to try? And I was like, for you, I'll try. And I did, and I was like, this is gross, I don't want this. 12 would be one that would pop into, because one a whole pack. No, no, just one a month. Oh, okay.

24 or in a pack? 20 or in a pack? Yeah. I think 20 are in a pack. I have no idea. I don't know. But they don't sell my siggy's here anymore. Menthol's?

Yeah, so sorry. It's a war on me. Are there 20 cigarettes in a pack? Hell yeah, dude. Nice. She knows. She smokes. I love them.

Buy them by the cart and put them in the freezer. Mm-hmm. Should we do a quiz or answer questions? I think probably answer questions. Yeah. Okay. Content warning death. Needing insight on if we're over.

Hi, Nicole. Hi, hi, Sashir, long time listener, maybe third-time caller, and trigger warning, this is about death. I discovered a dead body with my best friend, and I don't know if we can ever be okay again. Prior to this event, tensions were already high between me and my best friend, let's call her Kelsey. We've been living together with another roommate who is a trans man, let's call him Harold, for almost six years now, and she's closer to him than I am, as she's been his friend as long as she's been mine. Only recently did we all start hanging out together, despite the fact that we attended the same college and are in our 30s now.

Recently, I've had issues with Harold because he would outwardly doom spiral for hours past midnight in the common area with Kelsey and I listening and would never get stabilized despite our efforts. Kelsey saw no issue with his spiraling, but it made me break eventually

and give him tough love. He also decided to purchase a large fridge that could easily fit three people's worth of groceries, but he has no interest in sharing, so it's mostly empty. This is also something Kelsey sees no issue in and think, and they think I simply do not want him to have joy or improve his life. For Kelsey, my past issue with her is that I had been uncomfortable with hearing about her

sex life and actually hearing her have sex as I have unresolved sexual assault trauma, despite my efforts and trying to heal while being there for her. She thinks I'm kink-shaming her and also thinks that I don't want her to have joy, but she doesn't understand how intrusive thoughts work. Bottom line, it seems that both roommates have no issues with each other and have decided to combine their problems to side against me. They even have the same therapist, so I worry what their therapist says. Everyone's been polite and reserved to me, but bonding has ceased between us, so Kelsey no longer asks for favors for me like she used to, such as feeding her cat or driving her places as she doesn't

drive or have a car. Well, until 10 days ago. Kelsey asked me to drive her to do a wellness check on a previous co-worker, let's call her Anne, that she hasn't seen in almost a year. A mutual friend who was inaccessible had asked Kelsey to do this, as Anne had been unresponsible for five days at this point. Well, the worst possible outcome happened. We unfortunately discovered that Anne had passed away, and we had to wait next to her body for over three hours while the police were trying to figure out what to do next. It was incredibly sad because the woman was so alone, and it had to be us to find her. no next of kin as far as we know to this day.

I had thought that there would be a grace period of kindness or bonding between me and Kelsey after this tragic event, but no such luck. She returned to being reserved with me even knowing I'm going through my own serious stuff. My cat was recently diagnosed with an enlarged heart, my mom with Alzheimer's, and my dad is in and out of the hospital, etc. I feel taken advantage of, and I outwardly told her this, but through text, which isn't best route. As she admitted, she is still using past wounds to dictate how she treats me despite my efforts. I know this is something a therapist should help me process, but right now I

just want the insight of professional best friends. I get a lot of joy to, uh, I get a lot of joy listening to you, and I often joke that Nicole is Kelsey's twin as you both like purple and DuPole and grew up in the East Coast. If I lose Kelsey, it would be as devastating as I've always considered her my sister. Thank you for reading. My initial thought was, I think think a therapist because it's a lot. It's like rather heavy. But then my second thought when she was or this person was like, I know I should see a therapist, but I wanted friendship advice from best friends. I think it's like talking, talking to Kelsey and voicing that like a lot of things are going on. But like you do want to work on this friendship and then making a plan of action

steps in order to save that friendship. Yeah. Yeah. I wonder. I wonder if there's a way you guys can have a conversation that's like, I miss, like, how light things used to feel. I would imagine, even before the death, like, there's probably been a lot of heaviness between all of you. And it's also, like, it's one, you know, having a friendship with somebody, especially a long friendship, like, since college into your 30s. You all have changed so much, and that's going to take, like, a lot of adjusting and reframing and understanding. And you live together. And, like, even – and so, like, there's so many layers, like, also living with somebody while you're changing, while they're changing, while you're growing up together. And it's like there's so much stuff there.

And yeah, I wonder if there is a way you can be like, can we just like, like, not forget everything, but just like kind of push a little reset button. Yeah. Is it possible to get to a place where it's like, it's just easy and we like each other? Because I like you. And I hope, you know, there is still a reason that you are around me. I hope that you would like me too. Yeah, but it is a lot. Living together for, will they say six years?

Yeah, I think so. And there's three people. And there's three people, yeah. It's a lot. That's a lot of energy and stuff. Mm-hmm. And it also sounds like everyone individually has their own stuff that they're dealing with. So it's also like some stuff that Kelsey is feeling probably has something to do with you.

But some of it, probably most of it has nothing to do with it. Yeah. So, yeah. But I do think talking about it and being like, I just miss us. Yeah. Is it possible to get back to that? And I do think it's hard to live with three people because it's very easy for two to gain up on one. Yeah. And also with the whole refrigerator thing, I need to know if our listener is trying to put stuff in that refrigerator or are they actually just met them? This person bought a big fridge and won't use it. Yeah, I couldn't tell if it was like, because they said that that person won't share? Like, they won't share the refrigerator. Like, is no one allowed to put food in the refrigerator?

Yeah. Or they won't share their food. I think they won't share the refrigerator. They bought a great big refrigerator and it's largely empty because they won't let them put stuff in there. It's also funny because they were like in the person who bought the refrigerator. feels like I would try to stifle their joy. It's just a funny conversation to be like, I'm allowed to buy a big refrigerator.

And have it filled with nothing. This gives me joy. It's really funny, but also it might actually give them joy. Yeah. And unless you want to put something in there, I think it's just like not my circus, not my clowns. Like, I think our reader could, or our reader, this is a book. I think our listener maybe could step back and go,

what actually is affecting me and what's just irking me. Yeah. Because sometimes those things are different. Because sometimes I'm a person who's got a lot of rules. And sometimes I'm like, is this an actual rule? Or is it just my preference or am I just annoyed? Yeah. Yeah.

There's so many things that you can just like step away from me. You know what? It actually doesn't have to bother me. Like, you know, your roommate spiraling in the living room. That sucks, but you don't have to help them. Like, sounds like they go spiral regardless of you listening or not. Yeah. And if you want to be in the common area, turn on the TV.

But headphones in. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think conversation. Mm-hmm. But also, I think a therapist. Definitely.

Yeah, I think a therapist can help a lot of that. Also, I'm sorry, this person's going through all this. I know, that's a lot. Yeah, I think also, like, also see a therapist, too, because, I mean, like, for all of this, but it's unfortunate that you found a body with your friend, and you can't even process this with your friend because there's other feelings keeping you from being close. Mm-hmm. And so you don't even get to fully talk about what you saw.

Like the one person that was there with you, you can't even like really like figure out your feelings about this. So yeah, I would try to find a professional talk to because that's a lot. It's a lot. Yeah. Salt. Okay, this one is called a new friend but a cursed nose. Dearest Nicole and Sashir. My problem is that my friend A has really bad breath.

We hang out together with our mutual friend B, but, or we hang out a lot with our mutual friend B, but due to my very keen sense of smell, I get overwhelmed with strong sense of just about anything. There have been multiple instances when A's breath was just too much and I subtly cover my nose to avoid the stench a little. Recently, I basically avoided being in the same room because I just couldn't stand the smell anymore. What do I do? Do I bring it up with B, our mutual friend, or go straight to A? I'm afraid I can't do the hangs anymore, but I adore our time spent together. I can, of course, just hang out with B when A is not around, but the problem is that A is just as much a part of B's life as I am. So I'd hate to make it awkward as to why I keep avoiding hangouts with A.

A is a very cool person, and we get along really well. I'm hoping we can be friends even outside of B, but the stupid nose of mine just won't let me chill. Sincerely cursed sense of smell. That advice is not to go to another friend to be like, is it stinky? But that's exactly what I would do. I'd be like, so sheer. Did you smell that? Probably would too. Just be like, am I crazy? But yeah, you definitely should go to the source. And it's unfortunate that like bad breath is such a like scary thing to talk about. Because if someone has something in their teeth, I would say something.

So his hair was messed up, I would say something. But something about breath, maybe because it feels like a health thing or like you have to like actively do something more than just like pick something on your teeth. Yeah. I don't know why it feels so deeply. Yeah, because it's so un-stinky,

I'll be like, ooh, French. My God. That's also sometimes a little. Sometimes that's like, depending on how close you are, you may not say it. But yeah, I guess it's like, honestly, maybe it's because it's like a commentary on your economical status because like sometimes dentist stuff is out of pocket to like have

teeth removed and whatnot. Maybe. I don't know. Maybe it's like, oh, I'm accusing you of having poor hygiene. Maybe. Maybe that's it. But it's like people can have bad breath for multiple reasons. Could be a gut issue.

Could be what they're eating. Could be a dental thing where it's like they don't, their teeth are falling out of their head. Yeah. It could be multiple. things, but... Maybe this person's just chowing down on onions before all their hanged. Or, like, literally what they're eating, yeah. Do you think you have to say something?

Because it would be such a shame to just stop hanging out with them because of their breath. Mm-hmm. And thankfully, that is a thing that can be changed. Yes. But how do you say it? Unless it's, like, an actual health thing or... But then it's also, like, that could be helpful. Ooh, yes.

Like, if it is, like, oh, something actually... I do have a gut thing or a throat. thing or whatever, like, they might need to get checked out. Yes. But how do you say it? Hmm. Okay. I'm going to practice on you.

You don't have bad breath. Thank you. Sashir? Yes. When we were hanging out the other day, I was like something, something smell a little funky. And then you laughed really hard in my face. And I was like, I think it might be Sashir's breath. Oh.

Yes. Um, maybe, maybe, oh, do you use, like, alcohol mouthwash or something? Oh, no, I don't use any mouthwash at all. Oh. Maybe. So I use this brand called Thera Breath. Uh-huh. And it really, like, it helps me.

It works for me. Maybe you want to try it? You bitch! That was really hard. And it didn't feel good. I know. It didn't feel good receiving it either. Okay.

Hey Nicole. Hey. So I just wanted to ask about something. Last few times we hung out. I, you know, I'm not really sure if it's something you're eating before we hang out. But like, sometimes your breath is a little hot. Or just like it's not as fresh as it could be. I want to cry.

I don't like that. Oh, my God. But it's like if someone says something, You really are a true friend because this person, like, the person writing in is not the only person who has this experience with that friend. Like, this friend is going around breathing in people's faces. Breathing people's faces and everyone's hating it. So it's like you are being a good friend by helping them realize this about themselves so they can work on it and it can get better. But it's just so hard to bring up.

Lie. Okay. So you could just be like, I was listening to a podcast and they were talking about dental health. And one of the hosts was like, I've had bad breath because I have a rotten tooth in my mouth. And you could be like, and not to be rude, but like your breath's been a little off lately. Do you think maybe you should go to the dentist? I don't hate it. Why? Why? Yeah. Because then it's just like, oh, oh, oh, I'm reminded. Oh, maybe it's like a precaution and I'm going to tell you. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe. And then they can be like, oh, I guess I'll go to the dentist and ask about it. And then hopefully the dentist is going to be like, it's not your tooth, but something else is going on. It's your soul.

It's rotten. Rotten to the core. I think, I honestly think, I think lying is it. Yeah. I really can't think of anything else. Me either, because if you go, I think your breath is stinky, it's like, oh, wow, hurts. But if you're like, I heard this podcast and then I smelled your breath and I was like, oh, God, it really reminded me of this. And I don't want you to like get sick or have something

else be affected. Yeah. Yeah, there's more from a place of concern. Yeah. I think that might be good as opposed to like, you stink. And it's making me not want to hang out with you anymore. I've smelled bad breath. I don't think I've ever encountered breath so bad that I could. hang. I don't think I have either. Because I'll just like kind of like, I'll move. I'll just like turn slightly. But apparently this person has like really sensitive smell.

So maybe they really can't help it. So lie. Lie. Or when you're all hanging out, be like, pee, you, someone's breath stinks. No, not for other people. And then it's up to them to figure out who it is. and then it's a game. Lie or play a game.

But what if they can't figure it out? Because I feel like if your breath stinks really bad and consistently, you can't smell it. Otherwise, you do something about it. Yeah. All right, lie. Yeah. Solved. Well, if you have any questions or queries or concerns, you can email us at Nicole

and Sashir at gmail.com and hit it. That number is... 32323-8-6554. Well, that's it for now. We'll be back. And so will you. And that's a threat. Oh, no.

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