Best Friends with Nicole Byer and Sasheer Zamata - Sasheer Knows Her Rising Sign with Casey Wilson & June Diane Raphael - Re-Release

Episode Date: December 28, 2022

Happy almost new year! To bring in good tidings to 2023, we are releasing another amazing episode of Best Friends from behind the paywall. On another episode of Besting Each Other, Nicole and Sasheer are joined by Casey Wilson + June Diane Raphael! Casey shares a story of June keeping energy high at Casey’s bachelorette party, and June gets teary-eyed remembering how Casey reached out to her their freshman year at NYU. They talk about astrological counseling sessions, similar life occurrences, candy in earthquake kits, strippers at baby showers, and the ambitions friendship can foster. Plus, they both hope that in 20 years they are going on joint family trips and no longer have to work. Email or call Nicole & Sasheer with your friendship questions at:[e-mail][phone]‬ Get access to all the podcasts you love, music channels and radio shows with the SiriusXM App! Get 3 months free using this show link https://siriusxm.com/friends and code FRIENDS.

Hey friends, happy almost new year. We are taking a little time off for the holidays, so we are going to re-release an episode from behind the paywall. And this is one that we truly adore. This is our besting each other episode with June Diane Raphael and Casey Wilson. And these women are absolute powerhouses. They are so funny, so talented, and they have such an inspiring friendship.

You know and love Casey from Happy Endings, Black Monday, The Shrink Next Door, and June is on Grace and Frankie, Big Mouth, and Everything's Trash, and both of them are on Home Economics, and it was an absolute joy to have them on set. You can hear us learn about how astrology signs can help you understand your friendship better, why a stripper at a baby shower is the best present, and how

loving your friend means asking them to speak louder so you can hear them. Enjoy this episode, and we will see you in the new year! oh wow okay this segment is called besting each other right now so she's at an audition so i'm flying solo for a hot second and our guest you know her from Happy Endings, Mrs. Fletcher, Always Be My Baby, Black Monday Family Guy, Champagne, Ill, Heathers, Atypical, American Dad, ooh, so many things. It's Kasey Wilson! What an intro. I'm going to raise my energy level. You don't have to.

I have energy for days. It's exhausting. I'm so happy to be here. Thank you so much It's exhausting. I'm so happy to be here. Thank you so much for coming in. I'm happy I have a friend. It's nice to have a friend. At the end of the day, it is. Some people will tweet us that they wish they had a best friend.

And that makes me sad. I do. They'll find someone. Well, your best friend is June Diane Raphael. Raphael. Raphael. I've been saying it wrong for years. Look, you know, that's something I know about my best friend.

It shows how close we are. Yeah, Raphael. Raphael. It's not intuitive because it's, of course, spelled Raphael. It's spelled Raphael. Yeah, and I am Wilson. Wilson? Yeah.

Casey Wilson? I love it. All right, Casey, where did you two meet? We met in a clown class at NYU. Wait, really? Yes. But like, you know, like old-timey clowning, like with red noses and weird costumes at NYU, a sophomore year. What is a clown class?

It's so strange. It's like you can't talk. It's not like birthday party clowns like you have to get in this thing called the ring of fire where like you can't get out for three hours unless the whole class laughs and you just like want to jump out of building whoa yeah so they make you so the class stands around you they are the ring of fire they're the ring of fire and if anyone tries a fake laugh to be friendly the teacher is like no so we met there my god my god do you remember the longest you were in the ring of fire you know i will say june and i weren't in there as long as others but a poor friend was in there for honestly it felt like three hours yeah oh boy that's tough i know it's tough to get a

belly laugh from every single person but nyu this is is Tish. Yeah. Prestigious. So it's hard. You know, they know what to do to humiliate everyone and leave you dignity less. I love it. What is your favorite memory from traveling together? Okay. So at my bachelorette party in Palm Springs, all the girls had gone out the first night in June, organized a party, and everyone like looked cute. You know, we went to Mexican and dancing, and the next night was another dinner. And the morning of, we're all in the pool, or, like, afternoon, and June clinks a glass. Now, these are friends from home, you know, like, they don't all know her. And, like, 13 girls.

And June's like, guys, I need to address everyone, which is strange to begin with. And she's like, I have to say I wasn't loving the way everyone presented themselves last night. And I'm like, my heart is just stopping. And she's like, I didn't feel the energy fields were as high as they could be, nor, you know, basically like no one brought it. She's like, I'm asking for something different tonight. I want you to rummage through bags. If you have to borrow things, if you have to go to the gift shop, just let's try a bit harder tonight. And everybody's like, people keep thinking my friend from home was like a teacher was like

is she joking and she wasn't and but let me tell you did people bring it that night and did we ultimately have a better time yeah but it was a shock I honestly love that I mean it's bold it's bold it is because it is I think it's hard for your friends from home who meet a friend from where you live now, L.A., who's in the industry. I think it might be like a little intimidating. And then for that person to say, like, I don't like what you're wearing. But also, I love it because it's like, yeah, it's your bachelorette. Everyone should be bringing their A game. Right.

And she felt they weren't. And when I tried to sneak up to her because I'm such a people pleaser and she's much more like boundaries and will just say, I was like, you know, one girl kind of feels like she only brought cover ups and June goes, who? Like, bring her to me. That was quite a moment. I love that. What is your favorite thing about June? I think my favorite thing about June is she is so kind of forthright and she's such a confident, strong person, truly, but is also so much fun. You know, she's not like – she will tell you what she's thinking. Like, the opening line that she will always say to people is, I gotta say. And you're like, uh-oh.

But she has, like, such a strong sense of boundaries and she's the most loyal friend a person could possibly have. If she says she's going to do something, she's going to do it. In a way that I do feel her like moral compass and center is so in the right place in the way I don't think everyone is ultimately. And she's just the funniest person and the most compassionate person. That's many favorite things. I like that. Yeah. I like you talking about a moral compass because I feel like sometimes you're friends with a friend and you're like, I don't know if they're good in their heart. Or what's their intention? Yes. And you're like, I like

having margaritas with you, but I don't know if I want to tell you about like the addiction that runs through my family. I think that's perfect margarita conversation. I mean, the twain meat. For sure. Yeah, for sure. What is June's favorite thing about you? Oh, gosh. I don't know.

I think she thinks I'm fun, probably. I would hope. And that I'm empathetic? I don't know. I have a hard time ascribing my self-compliance because I'm such a great person and I'm so humble. I think we've just been kicking around together. We have the same sense of humor and it's such a special thing to have been friends for so long and go through so much of your life together since we were 17 and we're only about 19 now. So it's crazy. It's been two years. It is very crazy yeah two years feels like such a long time

yeah so you met uh your freshman year of NYU sophomore sophomore year okay how dare you oh I'm so sorry boy um oh Kimmy on the keys had to go back to type. Okay. What is something that you do that drives June crazy? I have no grasp on technology. I think she's annoyed when I'm late or like I fuck up, you know, times and dates and conference calls and phone. Just anything tech wise is not great. I think she more like from a, I think she rolls her eyes when she sees me like try to befriend toxic people. Drives her crazy. She's like, why do you

go in when people are crazy? Like, that I'm such a people pleaser, I think bugs her. I also have a little bit of that issue where I'm like, that person I had a really great time with, they did, you know, say a mean thing or two to me. That I can't shake.

And maybe I got to hang out with them one more time to find out if they're actually this mean. Yes. And maybe one more time. Uh-huh. And I'm definitely spending time in therapy talking about someone I barely know because they made me feel bad. But it's just, yeah, not great. We're doing our best.

And when you say you're not good with technology, what does that entail? Well, for instance, and I'm sure the younger listeners can relate. Today, June was like, I said my phone broke, so I can't text anyone. And she said, why aren't you texting on your computer? And I said, I didn't know we could. Oh. So that was hard. That was like a hard moment for us to pay. I see. I just found out you could text on the computer. Okay, okay. Yeah, apparently people seem to know it. I mean, I'm getting a laugh from the producer like, what the fuck? Well, it's hard when your phone isn't working.

You're like, well, that's it. I can't speak to the outside world. We're done. Right, I was like, and I'm done with myself even because I'm so powered, like the phone is powered down and so am I suddenly. But I also think that's nice to just. It was nice.

Power down. It was. Disconnect just a little bit. It had to be forced upon me, but it was nice. Mm-hmm. Okay. Uh-oh, we're flying through these. Which one of you would do better on Survivor?

June. Really? I would be dead in four minutes. And truly dead, not like kicked off. Oh, you would pass right away? I would be dead in four minutes. And truly dead, not like kicked off. Oh, you would pass right away? I would be deceased, yes.

You'd be the first contestant that I said, oh no? Yeah, like I'm legally blind. I got an epidural when I was zero centimeters dilated,

like not in labor and cedar sign. I had never seen that before. And I just don't, I'm not cut out for that kind of thing. You're not wearing glasses, but you say you're legally blind. I've got

quite a contact in there. I'm not even eligible to do like LASIK, but I could do cataract surgery. Oh. Yeah, so I just am not going to go the distance there without my comforts. Do you have astigmatism as well? No, but I'm a negative to go the distance there without my comforts. Do you have astigmatism as well?

No, but I'm a negative 11. Wow. But what are you? I'm negative 4 in one eye and negative 3 in the other. I've never even heard of negative 11. You've never heard of those numbers spoken aloud. That's wild. Yeah, they go to a special shelf for me. How did you find out that you, well, obviously you couldn't see.

It just kept like going down, down, down every year. But luckily they've used a word that I'm proud to hear at the last two appointments, which is that I've stabilized. Oh, that means it's not getting any worse? For now. For now. We're on borrowed time. I don't know what's happened since I've been there. Does that run in your family?

Yeah, my mom had like, yeah, a little. But it's not amazing. I'm, like, so terrified that a natural disaster will leave me, like, using Coke bottles. Like, you know, like, taking a side mirror on someone's car and fashioning it. Like, I'll be dead. It'll just be, like, save yourself. I feel like you should believe in yourself just a little bit more. You know what I did put in all my earthquake kits is a ton of candy and cigarettes.

And I haven't smoked since 9-11, actually. But I was like, you know what? This will be end of days. Yeah, so why not smoke some ciggies? And I want some comforts of Starburst. Did you quit smoking because of 9-11? Or did 9-11 happen because you quit smoking? smoking. You know, that's a less popular conspiracy theory, but I've been trying to tell everyone. No, after 9-11, I just was like, you know how we are. I smoked so many cigarettes

that day. And when I heard about what had happened in the morning, I was in New York. I had a strange reaction where I literally got my glasses on, marched to the convenience store, and bought arms full of donuts. Oh. Because I was like, this is it. Like, we're going down. And it seems like, I mean, I do struggle with food issues. But I was like, and other people are just, like, connecting with each other on the streets, and I'm just eating my donuts. Like, well, it was a good run.

And at least now I know, you know, that's my choice right now. I see. I see. Yeah. Can I go back to the traveling question? So you mentioned your bachelorette party. Do you have any other times that you guys have traveled together? Many. So we went on a road trip once to perform in South Carolina and June was always trying to save us a dollar, which I do appreciate because we had no money. But she would have us fly into cities, then rent a car, like fly past the city we were going to, rent a car to come back, and then like have to go back and drop that car.

And then we were in such a bad fight. I don't even remember what was happening. And we're like, let's just put on some CDs. But she also gets annoyed all my CDs were skipped. Like, you know, they were all like so scratched. They're all scratched, yeah. So we spent so much time in the car that we were listening to this musical theater because we're dorks. And we just memorized all the skips.

We knew when to, you know, and then, and then, and then, and then. And we just learned it together. So that was fun. I have a bonus question that's not on the sheet. Do you guys, have you ever exchanged presents? Yes, many, many, many. What is the best present June has gotten for you? Oh, wow.

The best present was, it's not that interesting, though. Well, we got each other, I believe, astrological readings, and we did astrological counseling together as a writing partnership. I don't know what this entails. Yeah. Please. Look, you guys are going to be doing this soon. Okay. We went to our astrologist and she did a counseling session with us based on the stars.

Oh. And, you know, we are the opposite sign. So I'm Scorpio, Capricorn rising, June's Capricorn, Scorpio rising. So she's like, you two are always like the opposite forces from each other. And, you know, Scorpio is like crazy. I know I sound insane, and that's fine. Scorpio's a pretty crazy sign, and then Capricorn's very stabilizing. And she was like, in seven years, you guys are going to flip.

And I was like, this is craziness. And we flipped. Wow. Here we are. I wonder if that's – And June said – I'm sorry to cut you off, but when we left, June was like, I feel I really have a lot more compassion towards you when i see your life through the stars oh that's so sweet beautiful i love that we got to take a look at

things from different angles did that session help your writing process i think it did because you know when you're writing with someone creatively it is a marriage yes and because we met so young i mean our friendship in many ways is more complex and deep than a marriage, as much as I obviously love my husband, but it's different. We write together. We work together. Our moms passed around the same time, like, unexpectedly. We both have two sons.

There's been a kind of eerie overlap with our friendship that it's intense but wonderful. I like that i do think of my friendship with sashir is a little bit of or it's the closest thing i've ever had to having a boyfriend or a marriage or anything like that because she's someone i care about so much that like if we are disagreeing about something i'm like oh i have to stop step back see maybe what she's seeing but then also just ask her like are what what's happening what's going on are we okay yeah because it's too important to kind of let it fray over something yes yeah um okay so what is so let's see what did i ask what's the best present

you're june's okay so what's the best present you've gotten for june myself probably a blessing June? Myself, probably. Just blessings and tidings in her life. Oh, I got it. This is the best, actually. So June was eight months pregnant with her second baby. So I threw a little sprinkle, just like a little, you know, those, it was like a 10 a.m. on a Saturday, a little breakfast with eight friends. And then I said to her, listen, we need to go back to your sisters because there's very meaningful, something meaningful is happening. And this is really bad, but I did kind of tee it up as though like I'd made a family slideshow for her, like there was going to be tears and like, you know, roped in family members and done all that. So we get to her sister's house and there's only like seven of us there in a very small room. And I, a male stripper arrived and he got down on June

eight months pregnant in a way that it really took everyone's breath away. It was a Sunday. In the stark light, you know, and then he had to, of course, like get his clothes together. He didn't bring music.

It was just... Oh, no. It was a great gift, you know. That's honestly very funny. I love that so much. Just like a nice Sunday afternoon daytime male stripper. When you are, you know, about to give birth. But also, wild that he didn't bring music.

That was a problem. And I assumed he would, so I didn't have anything teed up. And of course he would. He brought a pizza, which I had requested. I once had a male stripper come to my friend's bachelorette and he brought an empty pizza box. Okay, because he, you know, these are props. I guess he got hungry. Oh no, I see what you're saying.

Who knows? Look, they're people too. They are people too. And they're fallible. Last thing, actually, June for my bacheloret, and I hate to keep going back to that, but one time when we were really, really, really stoned at Coachella or something dumb, we were sitting staring at this light fixture, and I just said to her after a lot of silence, June, I want to marry a businessman. And so years later, I mean swear I did not really marry a businessman

but the stripper she's like we've got a businessman here and she had told him to dress in a suit which you would think isn't like that hard to wrestle up

but in fact he was in fatigues hi this year's back from her audition I have to say I love this audition look oh thank you

you look beautiful you do you look great how are you how are you hi I was supposed to be young this audition look. Oh, thank you. You look beautiful. Thanks. You do. You look great. How are you? How are you? Hi. Yeah, I was supposed to be young.

Look. Ah, so that's why you're wearing colors. Yeah. I usually wear earth tones. I will not want right here. Yeah, your overalls.

You could have been in that audition room, honestly. And why wasn't I? Oh, no. Uh-oh. Oh, no. I get all angry. You gotta drive back and ask why Casey wasn't there. Oh, no. Uh-oh. Oh, no. I get all angry.

You got to drive back and ask why Casey wasn't there. It would take me so long. Okay. Our last question is, what do you hope you're both doing in 20 years? Oh, wow. I mean, I hope we're, you know, we still have lovers. And I think, I hope our friendship, not to be cheesy, but I felt it's gotten stronger. And we've always lived about three blocks from each other for like 17 years.

And I hope we're watching our kids, you know, grow and still in each other's lives in the most meaningful way that we are now. I'm a great person. Oh, I've mentioned like planned communities before. And it scares Nicole. But I like the idea of having people you love. Why? Growing together and like raising kids together. I 100% agree.

And that is so missing from our culture. It is interesting that we don't choose to live near friends and help them raise children. But I just don't know what my place would be in this society as a woman without a partner and no children. Would I be watching the babes? Would I be taking children for walks? Right. I know you'd find your way, but I hear you.

Thank you. I hear you. I hear you. Well, that's it. Okay. You're going to bring Miss June in. Yes. Okay.

I'm going to ask her the same dang questions. She's like, I hate her. Bye, guys. Thank you. Okay. The second part of besting it. Wait, best. Damn. Besting each other? besting each other besting each other yes i truly can't remember the segment we created

we're gonna be grading you uh but we just spoke to casey wilson and now we're speaking to her oh wait i didn't have an intro for you you You're on Grace and Frankie. You host a podcast called How Did This Get Made? It's June, Diane, Raphael. I said it correctly? I've been saying Raphael incorrectly. And then Casey corrected me. Again, me telling you a problem that you would not have known about. I was thinking everything was fine.

No, but I mispronounced your name earlier. People don't know my name. I'm so sorry. No, I have accepted. At this point, I accept. I actually really do accept both pronunciations, and I think people feel so badly when it's not pronounced how it is supposed to be pronounced,

but I genuinely don't care. You know? And I, I don't know. I've had people say, and I think it's true, that it's important to struggle through a name and to not make a name easier for people. But at the same time, I'm like, I like the, I like Raphael.

I've heard it my whole life. Yeah. I truly have no negative feelings attached to it being pronounced that way. Did your parents make a thing of you have to have your peers call you the right name? Not at all. Yeah. So I just don't – yeah, I don't have any feelings about it. Okay.

But I know other people do when they're like, I've been pronouncing it wrong. I'm like, it's really okay. Yeah. Yeah, I had trouble with her name for a while because I saved it in my phone incorrectly. I think it was S-I and I was like, S-I-S-I-R. S-I-S-I-R? No, that can't be it. I had an IT teacher called me Shazier.

Like he was, I think he was dyslexic. He brought the Z in from the, like there was no Z in my first name. And my mom would, like every parent-teacher meeting, just correct all the T's. She'd be like, it's so sheer. And then later in life, she wanted to change my name.

And it was like, well, we change the spelling so it's easier for people. And I was like, you were the one who taught me to take pride in my name and defend it till I die. And now she's like,

why don't we put a dash in there? I love your mom well when I when my mom passed away I ended up I started using my middle name which is Diane which I never

really used before which is her which was her name so that I really that's important to me you know because that feels like

such a nice way to honor her but I don't I don't care I don't have any feelings about my last name that's a very sweet way to honor her but i don't um i don't care i don't have any feelings about my last name that's a very sweet way to honor her i really love that that's really nice yeah i guess i gotta get my mom's middle name going nicole lily buyer doesn't really flow you're out okay so how did you meet Casey?

So I know what she said because we've said it before together. But the truth is Casey and I were in the same acting studio at NYU. And before our studio, the old studio system at New York University was set up so that you were in class with 20 people. And there was another class of 20 people within one studio. And when we started off as freshmen at 18 years old, Casey was in the other class. And so we just circled each other for a long time. And I remember she was in a sorority, which at NYU was not what you do. If you went to acting school, it was like not what you do. And I was like, oh, no, that's so sad. Like, what happened?

You know, and I remember thinking she was way too much for me i had a really hard time my freshman year i was very scared and overwhelmed and she was like getting people together for drinks every night and and was organizing events and i was like what's that? And I'm frightened. Like, I remember getting little pamphlets in our dorm room about, like, spring break and Acapulco. And, like, seeing, like, teenage, all-white teenage kids. And, like, flames behind them. And, like, colorful drinks and stuff. And it terrified me

and that was sort of not that she was that but at that time and she had much more energy just in a baseline um and spirit and i was like not someone who had spirit you know or was willing to rally around like we're in this together i was just uh scared and really lonely and so my first reaction to her was fear that she might rest her eyes on me and i would have to, I would also have to engage on that level, like meet her at the energy level she was at, which was like, we're, we're the whole, the whole cast of this show is going out tonight. And I was like, no. and her light really shone on me and she reached out to me i was like oh now understand just that that spirit of like come be a part of this was not was so um inclusive and so just wanting people to feel great and that we were going to be okay together and that we should have fun. And so I realized I had completely misjudged it and projected all of my own fears on her.

Damn, that's beautiful. Yeah, it's so beautiful because I feel like a lot of women grow up with the notion that there's only one woman who can rise above everything. So when a woman is nice to you, after you've been inundated with all of those ideologies, you're like, well,

nothing good can come of this. Why is she so cool and nice? I mean, when I met you, I very much was like, she's too cool. She's not going to want to be my friend and I'm going to, I'm going to do it.

I think I'm going to think I'm going to make her my friend. It was a very conscious thing. I was like, she's cool. She's cool. She doesn't talk much but she's cool. That's how I felt too

because you talk a lot and I was like, I'll never, I felt like you. I was like, I'm not going to match this energy at all. There's no space for me here. Yes, yeah.

There is. There is. Totally. And it was such, I'm so glad that I didn't shut her down and that I allowed myself to be included in her life. Because once you are, and that's the other thing I realized, like she would never let you go, you know? Yeah. like she would never let you go you know um yeah do you know how how long do you think it took for it for you two to like click in a way where you're like oh like we have a kinship or like past like oh we're just classmates and like so the thing we bonded over immediately in that class was

we had a teacher who and when i say clowning mean like old school, we're putting on red noses. We're not speaking. There's nothing verbal. We are doing full physical comedy. And we were in a class where every student had to sit, including the teacher, and you had to get up as clown, and make everyone laugh simultaneously, including the teacher. Whoa. And you could not sit back down until that happened.

Oh boy, that's a lot of pressure. It was, it was really a lot. And I would, I was up at night just like, and I would try to plan things, but of course you couldn't. And I would try to plan things, but of course you couldn't. And her, your, I'm really going to go into this, but your clown was really like the essence of you or what was most raw about you. And her clown was really angry. And my clown was really shy.

And I mean, there were kids, there were students in the class were up there for 45 minutes full body sweats just like in puddles and we would all try to laugh because but the teacher knew what was and was not authentic and so um but this thing about this teacher was that she, we both felt, was kinder to the boys in the class. Oh, of course. Of course. Of course. And we felt like she got them out of the ring of fire quicker. And, like, we felt she was much harder on us and didn't think or didn't invest in the women.

Well, women aren't funny. We all know that. We all know that. But it's important to keep on saying it. It really is. Because I worry people forget. So we connected over that, really, which was like we both loved doing comedy.

We both loved the class. And we thought the work was, it's still, to this day, some of the best work I've seen was in that class. So it's still, I think it informed so much of what we ended up both doing and being drawn to. But it was also a source of like, there's like active discrimination going on here. And we brought it to the school. And sort of our first experience together was really uniting over questioning this institutional power in this this space we were in um wow that's amazing you brought it up yeah truly was anything done about it no um i don't think so

god i don't think so i will say this it does suck but i do think that teacher was preparing you for the reality of being an actor because you just have to be funnier than men sometimes. I've gone in for many auditions for Daryl where they're like, I don't know, I guess it doesn't have to be a man. And then Daryl's a Daryl when it's cast and you're like, well, why did we pretend? Totally.

Well, and the thing that I learned from Casey because I was working through my own internalized misogyny at that point, too. I think I probably needed Casey to be the one who was like, the women in our class are amazing. Like, look at the work they're doing. And I was like, oh, oh. Like, I don't even know if I was on my own journey.

So she was really the one and continues and really, like, created a whole worldview for me, which was like women's stories are funnier. What we're interested in, what we say, what we do is funny. And I was like, oh, I've always thought so, but I didn't have anyone saying that. Yeah. I love that.

What's your favorite memory of traveling together? Oh, gosh. I mean, I know she's going to have so much to say about that one. So we were doing, we had a live sketch show called Road Hard and Put Away a Wed, and we were booked. I think I handled all of the admin and travel portion of it, and we were booked, I think, in Charleston. And we got off the airplane and we were sitting.

These were crazy times. Like, just heady, heady times. Like, nobody had a functioning credit card. Phones were being shut off on the daily. It was like, who has minutes left? And telling people to, like, forward all the calls to Casey's line. And getting money from her dad. It was just a time of madness.

And during that time of madness, we were booked at the Charleston Comedy Festival. We get out. We're waiting for the van to pick us up and the people to pick us up. And we're sitting out there, and I was like, Casey. And it was so hard to break to her. I'm like, I don't know if we're in the right city. Oh, my God.

Oh, my God. I'm hot. Sure. And she was like, where are we now? I was like, I don't know. But I just have the voice that I'm not feeling confident that we're in the right place. And we had to go up to a gentleman, I'll never forget, and simply ask, where are we? Where were you?

It's a crazy question to ask. This is before, like, we— You could just check out your phone. Yeah, before, like, you could find out, like, we had to ask someone, like, where? What do you call this? Your understanding of where we are right now. Were you in the right place? So, we were in the right place overall, but we had flown to, like, the airport that was much further away.

So, they had sent, so there was some miscommunication. But I was like, when we had to really think about what state are we in? So yeah, it was a time where details were just mysterious. It's a scary feeling. I love that. It was a wild feeling. I was just like, I'm sober. Very sober.

Don't know where I am couldn't tell you when I tour a lot in TSA is like where you headed I'm like oh uh what does it say on that ticket and then they're like are you a terrorist and I was like if I was what a bad terrorist I don't know what I'm bombing you know I'm going no idea I'll see any plane I plane. I have that experience with drivers sometimes when they pick me up to go somewhere and they're like, so what airport are you going to? I'm like, I don't know. What were you told? Is there an email or something you can refer to? I can't be expected.

And sometimes they don't. And then you're like, well, I guess I'll call the contact. Yeah. What is your favorite thing about Casey? guess I'll call the contact yeah uh what is your favorite thing about Casey oh um there's a lot I mean Casey and I've known each other since we were 18 we've lived so we've gone through a lot together personally and together professionally um I think the thing that I love the most about her is how big her feelings are. Mm-hmm. How, like, she loves so deeply and is so, and feels so deeply.

And they're on parade. You know? And I've learned so much about that and being okay with that in myself. But I love that about her, that there's, that she lives life feeling so much and expressing so much. The good, the bad, the ugly, just all of it. I found really liberating to be around. Do you feel like it's rubbed off on you at all? Definitely. I mean, not to get too much into our astrology and our signs.

I mean, we've done full readings together to kind of understand it. But she's a Scorpio with a Capricorn rising, and I'm a Capricorn of Scorpio rising. So an astrologist would say we're literally like getting from each other the exact things that we really need and our lessons to wrestle with what's hard. And I think that's true. I mean, I think she's really – she was also – one of the things I loved about her early on and why I'm so glad she looked at me in that class and decided, like, I'm coming for you. And I had no choice in the matter, but I'm so glad she did because she was ambitious to a level that I couldn't even, I was like, maybe I'll do Three Sisters off Broadway. Like, maybe. ambitious to a level that I couldn't even I was like maybe I'll do Three Sisters off Broadway like maybe and she was like I'm gonna be on SNL I'm gonna do this we're moving to LA we're gonna be creating a show it's gonna go here and I was just like along for that experience and I was pretty ambitious too but but almost embarrassed about it. Or it was harder for me to step into because of my background.

I felt like that wasn't right or that I was taking up too much space. And so to be with someone as a friend and also professionally who was so willing to demand to be seen was very helpful for me. Yeah. And has totally, I mean, changed the course of my life. I love that. I love that too. All these answers are so heartwarming and kind. I really do love talking about other people's friendship because there's a

reason why people click and bond and are together um what is Casey's favorite thing about you oh gosh you know I think he thinks I'm like a very hard worker and um I think she appreciates I mean I think there's a lot more that she appreciates. I think one of her favorite things about me probably is, like, the level of, like, intimacy we can go to and the depth of the conversations and the sort of exploration of feelings that don't scare me. Yeah. feelings that don't scare me. Yeah.

You know, like the big feelings that don't scare me that I hope she feels safe bringing to me. We've also both experienced a lot of grief in our lives and we really can connect on that. And, you know, she lost her mom suddenly. I lost my mom suddenly a year and a half later. Then my dad passed away years later. So we've had children at the same time. We've had so much sort of death and birth professionally too.

Yeah. That I think I've been able to – we've both been able to but i think what she would probably say about me is and what's so special about our relationship is we've both been able to really i don't know really not shy away from that yeah that's important yeah like we're like all there for it all you know and not everybody can be yeah not everybody can be. It turns out. Very true. What is something that you do that drives Casey crazy? Oh, gosh. This is a hard one.

I feel like I'm going to get this wrong. What do I do that drives her crazy? I mean, I think she thinks, well, I know she's disturbed. I don't know if it drives her crazy, but, like, I know she's disturbed at the hours I keep that I'm, like, up at 5 a.m. And, like, she, I think it sort of drives her crazy that I'm, like, my work ethic. By the way, hers is insane. My work ethic, by the way, hers is insane. But I, and I don't think this is necessarily true, but I think she always comments on me being just like a machine of productivity.

Okay. That's not like a great answer because I can't think of like a tick or something that, I mean, not an actual tick. It kind of sounds like when you're doing a job interview and they're like, what's your worst quality? That I work too hard? I'm really struggling. I'm sure there are a million things. I genuinely don't know what they are. She's been a good friend to not reveal them to me.

Or maybe you don't annoy her. Yeah, maybe. I doubt that's possible. Oh, I know. Of course I know. She thinks I talk too softly. Oh. Yeah, like too quietly?

Yes. Because when I can like, I'm saying something. I'll go right here. And she's like, what are you saying? And then she said that. I don't know. I love that. And she goes crazy.

Oh, okay. Which of you would do better on Survivor? Ooh. That's a tough one. I think I would. Okay. I think I would. I think I have a bit more access to my – now, listen.

Casey would fight physically and has access to her primal self too but I believe um that I am more I have more endurance in like rugged conditions Casey's like four seasons or bust I love it what do you hope you guys are both doing in 20 years oh what a great question um I love it. What do you hope you guys are both doing in 20 years? Oh, what a great question. I hope that we are both enjoying grown children and their health and our family's health. And I hope that we're all together and enjoying life. And I really, I want our families to be intertwined. I want to feel like, oh, we go on vacations together.

We, our kids grew up together. Like we are a part of the same community and unit. And I was about to say, I hope we're working, but I'm like, I don't know. I don't know that I want to be doing it. I don't know. The longer I'm in this, the longer I'm like, Wayne, can't I get out? I mean, it's soul-sucking. It's a lot.

I know the retirement age is usually 65, but... But maybe tomorrow? Maybe I never work again starting tomorrow? It's hard. And I just see... I don't know. I don't want to be doing these hours. I don't know.

It's long hours and you're away. Especially if you're, like, she was in Atlanta for two months. I'm sorry. It was such a, I had just gotten her here. I got her to L.A. from New York. And I said, my friend is here forever. And then she was like, bye-bye. So sad.

It was back to late night phone calls. I'd be like, when do you come back? It made me so sad. And then I came up with bonus questions. Did we ask if, what did she? No, I skipped that with Casey by accident. Okay, then we'll skip. I'm not good alone.

You're doing great. You're doing great. I'm not good alone. No, you're doing such a great job. Yeah, I added questions and skipped one. I'm thriving. Things have changed. I was gone for half an hour and the whole show is different.

It's now called Hello. This is a webisode. Hello, we like shirts. Okay, what is the best gift you've gotten Casey? Okay, so let me just say this. Gift giving is not one of my love languages. So I'm not a good gift-giver. She's an excellent one.

So I've struggled with it. I struggle with it with my husband. We have to talk about it in couples therapy. It's not – I didn't grow up getting – I don't – Same. Yeah. I'm just like, oh, and I don't like stuff – like, I just have trouble with gifts um so i'm trying to think of what oh i remember and i don't know if she's gonna remember this but when we first moved to la

um i got her a coffee pot oh okay and i felt like that was setting her up for success here that's a very adult i think yeah very very adult like you're gonna wake up in the morning and you're gonna want coffee yeah coffee and we can do that for ourselves you know like we don't have to be tight in new york we would we lived in st mark's in a studio apartment that was converted to a three-bedroom it was oh my god i couldn't put a suitcase down in my room whoa there was no and casey had a double bed and you would just walk into the bed. Into the bed, yep. Wow.

So we had a Starbucks right around the block on 2nd Avenue and that's where we got coffee every day. Mm-hmm. And I remember it being a big thing. Like, we live in LA now. Mm-hmm. We do things in our homes. Meanwhile, her home was like a terrible apartment on on coanga and like and the 101

it was not great but um i think that's what i was trying to impart like we can we can make a coffee for ourselves i'm meaningful gifts i give people gifts that i want i i get it i like cards i will always take a card i I do like a nice card. Also, my mom loved giving gifts and I saw how much work that was. I was like, not for me. It's not for me. I don't want that. That's a lot of work. And then when people go, oh, and you're like, your voice went too high. You're not happy about this. I know. There's a formality to that moment that I don't love. I feel like it puts a lot of pressure on the receiver to behave a certain way. I'm like, open this in your own time, on your own dime.

On your own time. What's the best gift that Casey's given you? Oh, gosh. Well, she just got me a reading with our astrologist Heidi Rose Robbins that I really needed and then she actually just recently got me

I'm also the domestic realm doesn't come easy to me it feels like I have to really work at it and so she framed a picture of me and my kids from Halloween and I was like I'm so happy to have this. How did you do it? Like, what were the steps?

It feels so far away to me. I'm like, how do people get all that stuff? Yeah, whenever I go to her house, I'm like, you did all this yourself? It's crazy. She's got a lampshade like up in the ceiling. I was like, how do you do that? I like, you did all this yourself? It's crazy. She's got a lampshade up in the ceiling. I was like, how do you do that? I like being handy. But you like it.

That's great. I like making a home with my stuff that feels very me. And I like the experience of being in that home. I can't do it, though. It's very hard for me. It's very hard for me, too. I had to get a decorator. I don't know how to do one thing. Oh, there's no other option.

You come and you do this with your fun hair? Come on. She's very cool. She's like, Nicole, that's going to be dope. I love Kayla. She's great. That's amazing. That's money well spent. I think so. Absolutely. It makes me so happy. Okay, we got to get Casey back in here and go through those questions.

Now we got June and Casey here together. We're going to do a speed round because children need to be picked up. Lives need to be lived. Okay, we asked how did you two... This is going to end our friendship. I'm so scared. We asked how did you two meet and end our friendship I'm so scared we asked how did you two meet and you both said clown class

at NYU although June talked about how you guys were indifferent oh my god I see already June is slamming me

all over I get intimidated clown is a good thing it's like you're so great I'm scared kind of actually not kind of

that's what it was oh that is I'm so sorry I read on you, not kind of. That's what it was. Oh, that is. I'm so sorry. I read on. Yes, that you were so wonderful, and June was intimidated by how inclusive and kind you were. That's so nice. And that you locked in on her during clown class while she was silently, I guess, trying to clown to make everybody happy. And June was like, I had no choice.

I had to be Casey's friend. And she's thankful for that. That's correct. And then your favorite memory of traveling together? Casey said a bachelorette party in Palm Springs, second day. June challenged everyone on how they presented themselves, which is my favorite

thing because you were in here in a beautiful white suit. Thank you. We won't talk about it. So you're just like, everyone step at the back. What I'm wearing. Okay, but can I just pipe in here because the second memory I had was about that trip when I told you when June was trying to rent different cars. Yes. Yes.

The comedy tour in Charleston. He didn't know if you were in the right city. Remember when we sat in the airport and I was like, I'm not clear on where we are. I was like, is it South Carolina or North Carolina? We went to the wrong one. This is so fucked up. What's your favorite thing about your friend, Casey said? Good boundaries.

Good boundaries. Very loyal. What was that? A moral compass. Funny and compassionate. And June said, Casey has big feelings. You love deeply. You feel deeply.

And you live life with so much feeling and your ambition. Oh, thank you. I feel the way you retyped mine sounded less enthusiastic. When you go back and listen to the podcast. I am sure. Thank you. What is your friend's favorite thing about you? Casey said, I think she thinks I'm fun, I'm empathetic, same sense of humor,

and it's special to be friends for so long. June said the intimacy we have and that uh that casey isn't scared by wait what yeah oh that uh june isn't scared by big feelings uh and you've had so many similar things happen to each other at the same time nice uh what is something that you do that drives your friend crazy casey said i have no grasp on technology and messes up dates and times and anything technical. And then June rolls her eyes when she befriends toxic people.

Oh, and you can't see it, but both of them lean back and cackle in unison, and it was perfect to watch. And then June said, Casey's disturbed by the hours she keeps and her work ethic. She's a machine. And then she talks too softly. ethic. She's a machine. And that she talks too softly.

That's a main one. No one can hear you. I hope people at home notice that. Who would do better on Survivor? Casey said June. She would be dead in four minutes. Actually dead. June said I would. I have more stamina and ruggedness in this condition.

Which is so funny. And then you guys have the same answer for what you're both doing in 20 years. Casey said, I hope we still have lovers and we're watching our kids grow. And our friendship is as meaningful as it is now. June said, both enjoying grown children, their family's health, together enjoying life,

our families are intertwined, going on vacations together. The kids grow up, same family and unit. And then I ask bonus questions. What is the best friend, or what is the best present your friend has gotten for you?

Casey said, astrological readings for an astrological partnership. You have the same, you both mentioned Capricorn. You said that too? Pisces? No, what is it, Capricorn?

Capricorn and Scorpio. Scorpio, yes. Opposite signs. And then June said that too? Pisces? No, what is it? Capricorn? Capricorn and Scorpio. Yes. Opposite signs. And then June said the reading with the astrologist, Heidi Rose Robbins. You guys, I mean,

it doesn't seem you need any counseling through the stars, but I would love to try. But I don't know my rising moon because I have no idea what time I was born. Well, you do need that. I have no idea.

Let's call some hospitals and drill down. Well, it doesn't say on my birth certificate that's that's strange my birth certificate just says my name and I'm like

I'm here it really says nothing like three date window yeah they're like she was here felt like she was here the whole time

I don't know she's not still here she's omnipresent oh where are you born Riverview Medical Center in Red Bank, New Jersey can someone look

i've never heard of such a thing yep red bank new jersey we were just like we did enough yeah we got most of it why do we need to know so exactly i don't know if anyone would know because i think it was just my parents in the room because my my but did your mom have like a any touchstone for a time day night well she did Well, she did. So I can't ask. Look, and look. Unless I, okay. And I'm right there with you. We could do a seance.

We all have questions. And then I could join the seance. And that's what you want to ask. Ask what time I was born. She'd be like, you're wasting your time. Yeah. That's what you want to ask me? What time you were born?

We're getting to numbers and data points? God, no. Wait, we got to finish this. These kids need to be picked up. What is the best present you've gotten your friend? Casey said June was eight months pregnant,

so she threw a breakfast and then let her back home and misled her that it would be touching and tearful, but then it was a stripper just right on a Sunday afternoon. June said,

gifts are not my love language. When we first got to LA, I got Casey a coffee pot and I think I set her up for success here I don't but I guess you I owe a lot to that pot that pot means a lot thank you

it's strange when someone's like that's the most meaningful gift and you don't even recall it I knew it wasn't going to sit with you today but I do think we're seeing the effects of it people gifting you don't even recall it i knew it wasn't going to right yeah maybe you're more aware but i do think we're seeing the effects of it thank you i'm post pot now thank you okay thank you guys so much for having us no please go pick up your kids and you should have astrologer heidi rose robbins on to do she can work within a window. Okay. You might be between two signs and that's...

And she'll discuss that. And when she meets you, she will be able to tell you. Also sort of intuit what feels right. Kimmy on the keys, can you write down that name? Yeah, Heidi Rose Robbins. She'll tell you a lot about this. This will be really fun. Bye guys.

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