Best Friends with Nicole Byer and Sasheer Zamata - Sasheer Saw a Woodpecker in Real Life

Episode Date: October 1, 2025

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This is a headgum podcast. Hi, Nicole. Hi, Sashir. How are you? I'm good. I was just lamenting about how my body is dumb. No, it's not dumb. Well, it's frustrating.

Yeah. Because I will be exhausted. And the minute my head hits the pillow, it goes, should we look at our phone or watch a movie? Or maybe clean up a little bit? Yeah. I have the issue, too. I also like, my go-to is the phone. But sometimes there are times where if I do turn off the lights and I am fully laying down, I'm trying to go sleep and it's not happening, then I'll journal.

Try that. This doesn't always help. These are just things I've done. This doesn't mean I go to sleep immediately. Journal or start cleaning and be like, because I also saw a video that was like, if you can't go. to sleep, go do something. Like, be productive. Yeah.

I've never seen you struggle with sleep. I have only seen you be awake of in sleeping. Watching movies. Yeah. Sharing hotel rooms. Never once have I seen you like toss and turn and struggle. I feel like you snuggle down and then you're hunk-shoeing. I think it's in my own damn bed that is a problem.

Like, if I'm watching TV, yes but that then I'm on the couch or on your couch and I'm not in my bed no then I had to transfer myself to my bed and then I'm wide awake you're Katie Perry wide awake Katie Perry's having a tough time on tour I wish we did see her it's not nice to say she's having a tough time on tour and then laugh but she almost fell out of the damn sky on that like horse thing apparently she got electrocuted her whole ass husband left her It's not funny. It's not great.

But it is wild. Yeah. That's like, that's some karma energy that, like, I hope I never put out into the world that it comes back to be like that. I mean, do you think, like, her equilibrium got a little knocked off when she went to space? And things just never really settled back to where it was supposed to be. Maybe. I haven't heard much from Gail. Who else went to space?

Maybe everyone's having trouble. Maybe. I hope not. Who else went to space? Oh, some really impressive people, but I can't. Sure. Some really impressive people. No, for real.

There's one woman who, like, was trained being astronaut as, like, a scientist who was, like, supposed to go to space and, like, this was the trip that she went on. That's fucked up. You went to astronaut school for however many years. You're a trained astronaut, and they said, you can't go to space, but what you can do is orbit around with Katie Perry. I would shoot myself in the face. That is terrible. That's what you get?

I think, like, I guess, you know, when they were arranging this trip, they were like, we do need some science people, some space science people, not just, like, celebrities. And, yeah, like, people were like, wait, everyone's talking about Gayle and Katie Perry, but there's actually some really cool people on this thing. But here's my thing. Why did Gayle and Katie Perry go? If I have a mission If I'm going to the grocery store I'm not picking up friends To come with me

Wait, why not? I go to the grocery store with you Because it's out of the way It's out of the way to have them come But if I'm like around the corner You don't have to take me the grocery store? No, I'm on a mission I have to get the things on the list

No, we don't do go to the grocery store No, we get lost and... Remember when we tried to make that thing And... It's like some pasta dish or something? Yeah, and we watch. the video over and over and over again and Mateo was like, why don't you just

read the caption? Yeah, you're just watching the video play and you're like, Basil, mozzarella. And I was like, furiously trying to type it as you're reading it instead of pausing it or going to the website and looking at the recipe. Or literally looking at the caption. I have learned since that moment, the caption always

has the recipe. But neither of us caught it. I was like, okay, all right. What's the next one. And I'll tell you something. I had John make me it was like butternut squash pasta chicken stuff. I don't know. But this one didn't have the recipe in the caption. So you better believe I screenshot each step? Yeah. That's really funny. He was really mad at me. He was like, what? This is hard. He was like, it's against

a picture and it's just like kind of blurry. And I was like, you'll make it right. But there is an app. That does, that you can, like, pin things like you find on TikTok or Instagram, and then it'll write the recipe out for you. I forgot what's called. Probably fueled by AI, and I'm anti-AI. I think everything has AI. I think so, too. Yeah.

But I turned off the AI on my phone. And on Twitter, I blocked gronk. Okay. That's the name of their AI. Gronk. I don't trust anything named gronk. That's the name of a smart thing. Gronk.

You sound like a caveman. Yeah, Bronk. Tell me the truth. Yeah. But like, they're still AI on Instagram and also Google when you search stuff. Why are they pushing it so hard that I have to accept it? I don't know. I keep talking about AI. Well, it's everywhere. And it sucks. Yeah, I don't love it. No, I want things from people. Also, I keep seeing things where, like, ads where it's like AI, this product. And I'm like, is it AI or is it just technology? Like, there was like, AI glasses. And I was like, well, how are the glasses AI? What do you mean?

What you see is not what you're actually seeing, dude? Yeah. I was like, are these just transition lenses or just like, or the ones that you, that video record? I was like, what about these are AI? Because it's like artificial intelligence. Like, it has to be doing something on its own. These are glasses.

What are you talking about? Isn't that wild for ruining communities so people can wear glasses? Yeah. People die. It's like, how are they? It's like, that's crazy. People don't have water because of these. What are we doing?

It's nuts. Get me in office. I'll fix everything. And that's- An office? Yeah, give me an office. Does it any office? I said in office, but an office is funnier.

Just get you an office. She'll get on it anywhere. That's the only thing stopping you is the fact that you don't have a space to do this. Yeah, I need a space and a desk this year and a window. And I'll get things done. Okay, well, that might be a little hard to get a window. Oh, my God. Oh, I watched a movie last night.

Lucky number Sleven. Have you seen it? I haven't even heard of it. Me either. But you better believe Ben Kingsley's in it. Okay. Morgan Freeman's in it. Like that.

Josh Hartnett's in it. Love that. Lucy Lou is in it. Love that. Corey Stahl is in it before Ant Man fame. Okay. Other people. Bruce Willis is in it.

Okay. And he's got different hairs. The Wink Department was eating. You better say those trendy words. Eating. They were eating on that set. Nice. But it's a really fun movie.

So for the first 30 to 40 minutes, you're going to be like, what is up? And then like the last half hour, you're going to be like, oh, that was up. 40 minutes is a long time for me to not know what's up. Well, I'll tell you this, the sets are fun. It's very 2000s. Okay. It's very like Todd Oldham or like, oh, dang, who am I thinking of? Allie, can you look up who designed the Parker Hotel in Palm Springs?

Yes. And is this, what is this movie about? You don't know until 40 minutes in. It's very Jonathan Adler in the early aughts. Thank you so much. It is about a man named Slevin. who has a case of mistaken identity. And Lucy Lou lives across the hall.

And she comes on over and he's in a towel. And then he's in a towel for a lot of the movie, which is a real treat for all of us. And then he's in deep, or no, it's a case of mistaken identity and they think he owes a bunch of money to some mobsters. But then there's this backstory in the beginning that you have to watch.

It'll make sense later. All right. Cool. I can't wait. And Josh Hartnett's hair is so wild and free. I love Josh Hartnett. I do, too. I thought he was going to have a real career resurgence, but I'm like, where have you been?

Yeah, has he done anything after, what was it called? Trap. What do you mean? What's it called? I couldn't remember if it was Trap or Trapped. Oh, okay. Trap. Okay. One of my movies of the year last year. It was great.

I loved it. I saw it twice. It was one of my favorite movies. Yeah. When somebody gets snatched in a white van, I screamed. It was delightful. But yeah, I don't know if he's been in anything since. I want him to be.

Yeah. He's on the bear. Well, there you go. That's a successful show. Oh, that is a very successful show. Josh Hartn is on the bear. I'm going to watch it. Nice.

And speaking of animals, I saw a woodpecker in real life. No, you did it. Yes, I did. No, you did it. In my tree. No, you did it. I did. What did it look like?

It had like a red hat. No. Not a hat. No. I was like, it was the top of it. I saw a real bird. What did it look like? It had a hat on.

Well, it was like the top of its head was red. Okay. A red feather? Red feathers. Red hair. Red feathers. Red hair. And then like black and white speckled feathers on the rest of the body. And was it peck in the wood?

Yes. I have a video. I can show you. Oh. I have damn proof. You do? Do you want to see? Kind of.

Because I don't believe you. It's true. I don't know. You said it was wearing a hat. So I immediately was like, no. I caught. the raccoon on camera in my backyard the other night.

He was a big boy. What was he doing? Oh, just roaming around. Sometimes he takes baths in the pool. Okay. Okay. Uh, uh, uh, uh, uh,

but that. Whoa. I don't know what I thought a woodpecker look like, but that sure is. It's not it. Can you hear your pecking? Yes, I can hear it pecking.

That's, it's pegging the wood. It's a woodpecker? I'm agreeing with you now. Okay. I'm on your side now. I just, I said I, I'm just furthering the case to be like, see, it's not just a bird is a woodpecker. You don't have to further the case.

I'm watching it. I'm watching the proof. Okay. And I'm saying, that's not what I thought a woodpecker would look like. That's also not what I thought a woodpecker would like. What does Woody look like? Yeah, what he looks like, he's like a very thin beak. Mm-hmm.

And I think then I'll all all right. round. Not fit for packing. Yeah. Because that one's built. This is strong. Yeah, that one's like, you've got to be strong. It's not a thick neck.

Working out. So you're what? When did you see that? Um, yesterday. This is a morning. Yesterday. As a matter of fact, I saw yesterday. I was actually, I was sitting in my yard and there was actually a lot of activity happening.

There was the woodpecker. There was a rabbit that like ran pass. There was a bunch of bees and. Butterflies. Hummingbirds were just dancing in the sky. Nice. Hummingbirds are just dancing in the sky. That's nice. I have like raccoons and my neighbor who cuts her grass with scissors. My neighborhood's not magical. Yesterday she stopped me on the street and she was like, Nicole, hello. And I was like, hello. And she was like, how are you? And I was like, good. And she's like, I'm not good. My back is aching. And I can't walk any.

anymore, but she was walking around. And I didn't know how to be like, it might be painful to walk, but like you are walking? I feel like you said that she would have immediately fell down. I don't know if you're doing this, but you're walking. No! Help me to go! I can't be walking.

And then she was cleaning up the street like she does. And then she was like, and then it's dirty all over again. And I was like, yes. And then she was like, call me if you need anything. You have my number, right? And I said, yes, but I don't think I do. What could you possibly need? I don't know.

Yeah. She needs things. For sure. Like she needed ginger ale once because her dog had an upset stomach. Yeah. Don't make that face. I don't understand it either. And then she needed milk because her dog drinks milk.

Oh, do you think maybe the dog's upset stomach was because it was drinking milk? Yeah, most definitely. Yes, I think that's the cause and effect. Oh, no. That's poor dog. Yeah. And then John, when he was living with me, went to go get her ginger ale ones, but got her, I think, cans, and she wanted a two-liter, or vice versa. Can't be picky when you're asking for things?

Yeah, she didn't say thank you. She just said, oh, it's not the other. So, yeah, that's the magic that happens near my house. Hummingbirds in the air, woodpeckers pecking. I got fat raccoons slither around my backyard. So sorry. It's okay. It's kind of cute.

But I do have to fix my gate. Yeah, because that's how they're entering. Yes. I did stumble upon, and by simple, I just, like, was on the street. My across-the-street neighbor was getting rid of a wicker outdoor chair. Oh. You know I love chairs. And I was like, you snatched that right up?

You did. Well, I texted him, and I was like, why are you getting rid of this chair? It's so great. And he was like, I don't need it anymore. Because I was like, because I also wanted to be like, is something wrong with it? Is it rot it? Is it rot it? Yeah.

He's like, no, it's perfectly fine. We just don't have a very. room for it and I was like well I'll find room and it's gonna be on the outside and but it was like too heavy and cumbersome for like just me to move it mm-hmm so I asked him to help me and we were like going down the front steps and he slipped and he like he did fall he did fall and then but like is he old he's older yeah my god I was like are you okay and he was like yeah yeah I'm fine he popped back up and I was like okay but like you have to let me know if you're not Okay. And then we like finished moving it. And these are like looking around the house and like being like, oh, are you going to fix this? Oh, he was like trying to like be helpful in other ways. And I was like, are you okay? And I was like, are you okay? And I was like, I'm fine. He like changed the subject. And I was like, okay. I think sometimes masculine leaning people get very like defensive about being hurt where it's like, hey, just be hurt.

Yeah. Like I'll get you something if you need it. Yeah, do you need an ice bag? Do you need Ben Gay? Yeah, some Advil, something. Some tea? Yeah, he was like, no, I'm good. I was like, okay. I really love that you're going through the garbage stealing people's chairs.

I'll never stop. I've done it all my life. I've done it all my life. I've done it from New York to L.A. I'm going to always go through the trash. You know what's wild? I had so much trash furniture in my house in New York. Never got bed bugs, which was, you know, great.

But yeah, I just. just like couldn't stop, wouldn't stop. Yeah. Like, even in college, all of our stuff was just from the trash. Yeah. Because we were like, and also I've discarded things, or like not throwing it away, but like been like, I'm done with this furniture piece, but it's still good. And like, a friend would take it or something.

But like, yeah, most of the time, it's a fine piece of furniture. Yeah, you just don't want it anymore. I have, ugh, I don't think anyone's going to want this because it's been outside. And they don't make outdoor furniture to be outside. I know. It's a lie. It's like, why is it deteriorating? I simply don't know.

Yeah. I have a little, it's like a little two-seater, but it's falling apart. So I think what I have to do is actually like take it apart and be like, you don't want this and like put a sign on it. Yeah, otherwise I'm going to take it. Yeah. And then they'll be so disappointed with how it's going to just fall apart under like a little bit of pressure from your butt. You're going to put a bad Yelp review for your trash. My neighbor next door loves my trash.

I put out a bunch of shoeboxes and she took them. Oh my gosh. And I didn't, like, break them down. And she was like, I'm taking them for the children. I don't know what children need shoe boxes. You know, all the hungry children who need shoe boxes. They're hungry for that cardboard. My mother was also a trash lady.

Yeah. Our piano was from the trash. Oh. My dollhouse was from the trash. Uh-huh. And my sister had a dollhouse that my mom, like, had bought. And we just disagreed on everything on the interior. She wanted, like, plain, boring.

stuff and I wanted to a wallpaper that tall house. So then she got me the trash one and I was so excited. One bit thing I'd be like, no, I want a wallpaper the nice one, but I was like, no, this trash one will be what I want it to look like. And what did it look like? It looked like trash. Like I wallpapered it and stuff. What would you wallpaper with? Like construction paper? Um, like actual wallpaper? Have you never been to a Michaels? Yeah, I've been to Michaels, yeah They have wallpaper for dollhouses It's scaled down

Why would I know that? I had no clue I never would have thought There was actual wallpaper For dollhouses Yes, well there's dollhouse furniture Yeah There's dollhouse accessories

So there's wallpaper for dollhouses Of course But there's not really paint for dollhouses You just have to buy the samples that are smaller Because you're not going to need a gallon of paint. Certainly not. And you can wire a dollhouse so that the lights work. That's fun.

We never got to that point. And then when we moved, we left those dollhouses for the two little girls who moved in after us. That's really cute. Isn't that nice? That's very nice. I'm not being the trash now. Well, definitely. I'm sure they grew up and maybe destroyed the dollhouses at some point.

Why would you say that? Well, because they're kids. Why did you say that they destroyed it? I mean, not like, you know, like hammer it, but, you know, they played so hard with it that eventually it apart. I thought you thought they were hammering my hard working arts and crust. No, they really appreciate it for years. Okay, thank you. So did you not have dollhouses growing up? I guess I didn't. Did you have Polly Pockets? Malibu Dream Houses? No, I did have Barbies. So where did they live? In my house? That house is too big. Yeah, I don't remember having a smaller

house for them. Did you have cars for them? Do they travel? I do think they had cars. Yeah. Okay. What kind of cars? I don't remember. You know I'm not a car person. I know. But I remember. My sister had a, it was like a 65 Cadillac that her Barbies drove in. And I didn't like it because it was too big. My Barbies had a white Ferrari. And they had a Jeep Wrangler, a pink Jeep. Oh, that's fun. And I think a Camaro, I think that one was a hand-me-down. So, Catherine. had that one okay which was not nice i was always like i'll take the new things but yeah i can't believe your your like dolls didn't have a hum you were you had homeless dolls unhoused dolls

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That's where I'm at right now Yeah So I have this like Crescent Moon thing That's on my wall It is like a shelf system if you will Oh yeah I've seen it But it's so small, you can't put nothing in it. Right.

So I was like, what if I turned into a faux terrarium with, like, fake foliage and fake trees and flowers? Yeah. I don't have time. I don't have time for that. Yeah. I got to go to Michaels, pick out all this stuff, and then hot glue. Or could you just order it to your house? I could, but I'm trying to be more mindful about what I ordered to the house.

I got rid of prime. Nice. I have it through December. So I'm, you can still use it. I can still use it. But I did cancel it because I think it's wild that I order things when they come tomorrow. Yeah, it's pretty wild. So I was like, let's not do that anymore.

I'm trying to be old school. Now, is it detrimental for like gas purposes, like petroleum? Or like, I know there's downsides to it, but like what do you know are the downsides of having it come tomorrow? I don't know. I was walking around my house the other day before I canceled it and I was like, where the fuck is this

dumb thing I ordered? Why isn't it here? I was like freaking out because it wasn't there in a day and I was like, listen. Oh, so it's for yourself. Yeah, kind of. I see it. Got it.

It's insane that I have this sense of entitlement that like shit's going to arrive to my house the next day. Also, I went on Amazon to watch a movie and I had to fucking pay for it. Then what the fuck is Prime for? That is a really good point.

Yeah, if it's on Amazon Prime and I have Prime, Yes. Yeah. And then did you know, Apple doesn't have everything you ever want to see? No, they don't have everything. Why not? If I'm renting it, why don't you have everything I want to see?

I'm so mad. I don't know. And I was trying to watch Lucky Never Slavin. And Amazon was like, sign up for Sphere. I was like, what is fear? Who's fear? I don't know. Yeah, there's so many random, not, you know, I'm sure they are real companies.

But, you know, like, why don't I have to get this thing in order to watch the thing? I don't know. I want a blockbuster to open up. That would be so nice. They should. They really should. Because at 8 p.m. last night, I was fiddling around on my TV trying to watch Lucky Number 11. And who told you about Lucky Number 11?

Why were you in the mood to watch it? You didn't stumble upon it? I've never seen it before my whole life. Well, how did you get into your... I needed to watch it. I am watching all of Josh Hartnett's filmography. Is, oh, okay. No, I'm not.

The nice man in my life was like, I think you'll like it. Okay. Oh, okay. Nice. But at 8 p.m. last night, if there was a blockbuster, I would have gone to the blockbuster. That would be really nice if it had a resurgence. Right? They still exist.

They at least tweet. Like, I think there's one left. Oh. And I think it's in Arkansas. Don't quote me. Okay. I'm going to quote you. No, no.

Nicole told me. No. Ali, will you look up where it is? Yeah. But, yeah, I think that'd be great. Because, yeah, we can't, it's frustrating to, like, not find the thing you're looking for because it doesn't exist anywhere. Isn't it nuts?

Oh, the last blockbuster is in Bend, Oregon. Oh, I was wrong. I said Arkansas. Yeah, it's just Oregon. Arkansas is here and Oregon's there. Good job. Yeah. At least I think.

I don't know. Yeah, I think so. That feels right. Do you remember when I went to Sundance and I had no idea where Utah was? and it was so cold. I couldn't believe it. There was dogs dressed more warmly than me. I was in, like, just a jean jacket.

And, like, converse. Like, didn't have snow boots? People are... I had no idea. Blew me away. I thought it was in this... I don't know where I thought it was. Hmm.

But I know it was... Where is Utah? California's here. Nevada's here. I don't know. It's kind of like, isn't it like in like this little quadrant with like Nevada, Utah, Arizona, the other one. What's the fourth one? Yeah?

Is it Colorado? Oh, yeah. I think it's Colorado, maybe then Utah, Arizona, Nevada. Allie, can you pull up a map of the United States of America? We got to figure it is that. I mean, kind of. We learned this. Oh, for sure.

Yeah. Did not retain it. I constantly don't know where I am. I'll be, like, doing shows, and I'll be like, where am I? Am I high or low? Whoa, that's not where I thought Utah was. Yeah, Utah, Colorado, New Mexico, Arizona, and the Nevada's between California and Utah. But this scale looks crazy to me.

That's not how I thought it looked. That's not how I thought Utah. You know, I think I thought Utah was where Idaho was. And then I thought Colorado was up north. Whoa, Colorado is down. This is down, man. And you know what? Wyoming, I've never ever thought of.

Never, never my whole life if I thought about Wyoming and where that place is. It's also a surprise to me. It's just there. It's just there and it's just a perfect square. What the fuck? And then Minnesota, I don't think I knew it bordered Canada. I knew Wisconsin. No, I don't think I knew it had lakes.

the Great Lakes. I knew Michigan did. We know Michigan does, yeah. Wisconsin has access to the lakes too. Interesting. So is Colorado considered the South? Or no. New Mexico starts the South? Yeah, New Mexico is the South. Arizona's the South. I guess I always thought Colorado was the Midwest, but it doesn't, it's not in the middle.

It's kind of to the South and to the West. Is the southwest? Is Missouri the South? Yeah. Missouri is Midwest. The South? Canonically the South, sure, yeah. Okay.

This is wild as hell, y'all. Because on the East Coast, the South kind of starts up, like pretty high up because Kentucky is the South. But Kentucky and Kansas are kind of parallel. Can we get another map to compare? Because I really feel like the street. I'm not believing it for some reason. I'm not believing it. I feel like everything's kind of right, but like the scale just feels crazy to me.

Don't believe it. I don't believe it. I don't believe that map. No. We need a different map. Sure don't. That was kind of a wild map. Right?

It just felt like. Wyoming seemed so prominent. It was like a real like map by Wyoming. Yeah. Like I feel like someone's having an agenda. Yeah. We want you to see Wyoming. Somebody says feel real big compared to the other ones.

I will say Wyoming is not as prominent. I barely clocked it. Maybe it's the colors. Oh, maybe. So Oklahoma is the South. Mm-hmm. But I feel like when I went to Oklahoma, they were like, you're not in the South. And I was like, what?

What did they say? I think they said mid, I don't know, it was a show, so people were screaming at me. Oh. I mean, to be honest, the Midwest is not even in the middle. Or west. It's actually pretty east compared to the rest of the country. Now that I'm looking at it, now I'm really analyzing it. Yeah.

It's pretty east and north. Pretty east and north. Yeah, what is Montana? What's that considered? North? Just the north? Wait, where's Montana? Oh, I see it.

Next to North Dakota. Also border in Canada. Did you know? I honestly never thought about the Dakota Did you know Idaho Borders Canada? Apparently a lot borders Canada This is crazy

We sure so you could We could get into Canada easy Do they know Do they know from Washington, Idaho Montana, North Dakota, Minnesota Wisconsin via boat Michigan via boat Ohio via boat

I think the tip of Pennsylvania You could get in there New York, Vermont and Maine we can invade and New Hampshire Whoa! Let's get them! That's crazy compared to Mexico

where it's just California, Arizona, New Mexico, Texas, and by boat Louisiana. It's true. Well, I guess you can't even really count Louisiana because that's really by boat. Yeah. That's a far journey.

You wouldn't do that. My goodness. Wow. And Alaska borders Canada. How do we get Alaska? That seems weird. I actually don't know. I don't know the whole country in between. country in between our state?

Mm-hmm. That's just like, I think one of our territories is Samoa or Samoa. It be Samoa. Is that ours? I think. I think some of it is ours. Oh. I think.

What are our territories? Well, I know the U.S. Virgin Islands. Mm-hmm. Puerto Rico. Um. I'm trying to think of. I think it's like the U.S. Samoa or Samoa. I heard someone say Samoa, and I don't know what's correct.

I don't either. I don't know. Like France and France. Just like that. France and France. Well, yeah. Like when people... Do the French say France?

I think so. Wow. Or like Bangladesh, Bangladesh. Oh, yes, yes, yes. Yeah. But you've been to Bangladesh. I've been to Bangladesh, yes. The U.S. has five permanently inhabited territories, Puerto Rico, U.S. Virgin Islands, Samoa.

But only part of Samoa, right? Yeah, there's a... Because I... Yeah, it's called the American Samoa. Sorry, there must be a differentiation. And then Guam and then the northern Mariana Islands. Oh. Yeah, we're the...

Me either. Yeah, where are they at? Who's Mariana? Yeah, who's Mariana? Why is she at the island? Well, now we have that. She don't have anymore. Yeah, she don't have them at all.

They're just named after her in memory. I was on the internet this morning, and there is an island off of India. Maybe it's not even, yeah, it's an island off the coast of India, where the people who live there are, they reject modern technology. they reject everything they don't let people come in they shoot like low flying planes they shoot people who try to talk to them so it's illegal to go there because it's dangerous for you and i kind of like it i do like that i kind of want to like i want to go and live i don't want to learn they're not affected by ai yeah but you couldn't go there because you get shot yes but i'm friendly looking i think they would be like well not her

I feel like that's like a girl being like, well, I can change him. You won't be bad to me. Yes, this year. And I'm that girl. I, Halley, sorry. Can you look up what that island is called? Wow, really into geography today. We're learning.

But will we retain? No. Okay. So the Mariana Islands also just called the Mariana's. And it is in the Northwest Pacific Ocean. Um, by Hawaii. Oh. Okay.

Now can you look up, uh, island off of India with people who don't like people? I'm the worst. Literally, I say when I type in island off of India, the, it fills in with hostile natives. Oh my God. Um, North Sentinel Island located in the Andaman Sea. Sorry if I'm saying that wrong. It's home to the, um, Sentinelese people who are known for their hostility. towards outsiders and are one of the last uncontacted tribes.

The Indian government protects the island and its inhabitants, forbidding contact and travel within a certain radius. Isn't that fun? And at first they did try to establish contact with them and send people to like, you know, research them or like, and they, I think they eat coconut and fish. And that's what they survive on. So like they would try to bring gifts of salmon or like fish and coconuts and they would shoot you.

And then I think there's only like one or two. knowing people who've made contact with them. Isn't that interesting? That's very interesting. I think we could take a lesson from them. Go back to basics. Yeah, stick to your own kind. Well, not that.

Not that far. Isn't that what they're doing? Yeah, sure, but like that. Not like that. They're standing their ground. They're keeping to themselves, making sure there's no trespassers or anyone different than them coming across the line. sure you can take it like this year

also the only metal they have is from a boat that washed upon the shore and then they fashioned that into more weapons that's really funny I like them they were like a gift more weapons to make are they shooting people with guns or with like arrows bows and arrows

but like enough that they can attack and like kill and make it so nobody can go also I think there was a tsunami and two thousand i've learned so much about them yeah there's tsunami i think 2004 so they sent people to make sure that they were okay but they are one with the earth they're fine they're fine they made it to higher ground um and then i think shot and killed the people who came to check on them we're just trying make sure you which i think is really funny yeah and i believe it's like there's 500 to 2 000 of

these people and they don't know actually how many and i'm like oh my god That's, like, so mysterious. I wish I was that mysterious. Like, where is Nicole? Everyone knows where I am at all times. It is very mysterious, yeah. I want to go to an island. I want to be in the sun.

Yeah, let's get you to an island. Get me? Maybe we should go to the island of Marianne. Yeah, what's it like? How far away is it? Is there an airport? Can we get there? Can we get chirox?

We're really putting you to work today. Okay. The distance between L.A.X and the northern Mariana Islands is, it's approximately an 18-hour flight, including transfers. Traders? Over the ocean. In the middle of the sky, I've got to get off the plane? Do you just plane onto another plane in the sky? This plane's run out of gas now.

We got to go back. It's so funny. I found a travel website. Now, yeah, you would have to... Okay, so you'd go from L.A. to Noreita. And... Noreta. Then from there to Singapore.

And then this... Wait, this is not making any sec. Wait, this must be it. Yeah, you go to this Saipan International Airport. then from there you must travel to the islands. Oh, so they only do flights out of Singapore? Well, wait, I thought it was near Hawaii, or was that a different island? Where was it?

Yeah. Wait, are you sending us to the island where there's hostile people who live there and want to kill us? That would be really funny, trip advisor was like, this is how you get there. Like, no one wants them there, we're like, we have directions. We have directions. You can absolutely go. It seems like a lot of people aren't looking. Yeah, there's just a question mark. It's like, you want to go there?

It's like if you want to go to an island, you have the Caribbean right there. There's so many islands we can go to. Hawaii's right there. Well, not right there. It's a little ways away. But it's much closer than 18 hours. It is. But I want to go to Guam.

Yeah. I mean, what a fun name. Guam. It was a fun name. I just went to Guam. I would be like, oh my God, what is you doing Guam? What is it to do in Guam? I don't know.

I don't either. Allie. Yeah, and just to wrap up the Mariana Islands, it's south, south, east of Japan, west-southwest of Hawaii and north of New Guinea and east of the Philippines. See, now I need a world map. Yeah, I really don't understand that. We don't understand where that place is. My concept of where Hawaii and Japan are, don't, that's not making sense in my head. Okay.

The United States is here. Hawaii is here Japan is here Oh okay Great I think So then Marianne is in between these two I think it's

I think it's up there And then What there is to do in Guam Amazing Diving Coral Reaves So island stuff Yeah Just fun island

stuff. I would go. Oh, there's that world map. That's a bad map. Well, we got parts of the world. Oh, it's above Australia. Okay. All right. Wow, that water looks blue. Whoa, Guam. Wow, it's Guam. Mm, Guam.

It's what I've always dreamed of. We should take a break. I think I'm going to retire to an island. Nice. I think that's what I'm going to do. That sounds great. Do you think you'll retire to somewhere? I guess I haven't thought about retiring to somewhere.

Okay. The year is 20-something. thing and I can't do math that quick okay you're 86 years old uh-huh 92 years old where are you going to retire to all of your friends are dead well damn I guess it doesn't matter it's just you it's just me um I don't know and a cat that you adopted named Bo jangles this cat lasted that long oh you at some point your last friend died And then you adopted Pochankles Who's an orange tabby cat

That is missing hair in some parts Oh All right He has one eye All of that seems complicated But he's really sweet Okay, I do like that I mean, I plan on going to

Okinawa Japan next year So I haven't been there yet But it looks awesome And it's an island And it's where I'm from Maybe I'll, like, be born there and die there. I like that. That's full circle.

Yeah. Oh, my God. I'd have to go back to Red Bank, New Jersey. You don't have to. Well, if I wanted to be a circle. Okay, now create a future for me. Okay. You're 86 years old.

You have a pet turtle. And you race it every morning. Okay And And yeah All your friends are dead It's just you Where are you gonna be?

Guam Or Since I'm so old Maybe I'll try to establish Contact with that tribe And they kill me They kill me It's a pretty epic way to go

But maybe they'll be like Turtle And I'll be like Whoa You know the word turtle They're gonna see you holding the turtle Yeah.

And then we're like, wait, is that a turtle? On a boat, I'm holding a turtle. And the one English word they know is turtle. Uh-huh. And then I learn their language and I live out my last days with them. Okay. I mean, yeah, we don't know how old these people were that we're visiting. Maybe they're like, oh, if you're going to live the rest of your days out, you may as well be here.

Yeah. But if you're like, young, we don't have room for you here. We don't have room. And they're naked. And I'm like, by the time I'm, you know, nice. 90, 80, whatever. Let me be naked on an island. Nice, yeah.

Let it all out. Yeah, it's nice. Mm-hmm. Should we answer questions? Let's do it. Yeah, I really want to retire to an island. Mm-hmm. It does that nice.

Where's Okinawa? It's like south of Japan. Or it's like in Japan, but, you know, very south. The southern part. Yeah. I wonder if it's near Nagasaki. It's not. It's like really far. So this is called BFF Euro trip from Aaron.

Hi, Nicole and Sashir and the wonderful team. I'm about to go on a three-week trip across Europe with my best friend. We've been friends for 20 years, but I've never traveled together. Any advice or trips for navigating it once we're there? I'd love to sit in a nice chair and my best friend has unmedicated ADHD. Thank you. We've never done things. three weeks, I don't think.

We've been two weeks. Yeah, I think two weeks has been our tippity top. But I think we could do three weeks. I think we could do three weeks. This is tough because I think we're both go with the flow kind of people where it's like we wake up and if there is no plans for the day, it's like, oh, what do you, oh, I thought of this or we could do this. And it's just like a conversation about like what the best thing is to do.

But if you're like type A and type B people, that might be a little hard. Yeah. I mean, we don't know what type they are. No. I guess. Have a conversation about what your expectations are for the trip. That's nice. I do like that.

Yeah. And maybe do you have some stuff planned beforehand or even take the trip? Not completely because it is nice to have like room for free time or discovering things. But yeah, maybe like, yeah, I think the expectation talk would also be helpful because you don't want to assume that your friend knows what's going on and your friend shouldn't assume that you know what's going on. You might have two totally different ideas of what the trip's going to look like. Yeah. And if they're moving and grooving through Europe, it's like, how are you like on a train? How are you on a plane?

What's your sleep schedule like? Yeah. Do you sleep during travel? Are you, do you get to the airport early Or the train station early Like, you should have all those conversations Do you need a white noise machine to go sleep? I don't know why I thought

You were going to say a wet nap Like a wet wipe thing And I was like, why would they need a wet wipe? But white noise machine makes sense Yeah Or do you use wet wipes to clean everything? Yeah, how clean are you? But do you want to go out to eat for dinner?

or do you want to like go to the grocery store and like cook or like well if you're in a hotel well if you're an Airbnb yeah they might be an Airbnb so they might want to cook yeah I think it's just having a full-blown conversation where you don't have to go through every day but like if you don't have like the big things plan plan the big things like do you want to spend a day at the museums or do you want to like go to the coast of somewhere like just you know plan that out yeah then then live day by day this live laugh love Live life love Day by day

Oh dear Lord These things I That was three things? I don't know These things I pray These things I pray These things I pray To love thee more dearly

Day by day Love thee more nearly Day by day Love they What's our next question Because that one was solved Hi, Nicole and Sashir. Love the podcast and thank you for all that you do to help me stay sane. I was wondering if you have any advice for a friend who was a terrible interrupter.

For context, this person is my friend and roommate that I met through a mutual friend, who knew that I was looking for a roommate since then we've become good friends and lived together very well. The only problem is she's a terrible interrupter. I mean, it's truly unbelievable. She does it so often that I'm starting to question herself awareness. I don't know if our other friends notice it. It's kind of a hard thing to bring up. I'm sure I noticed it more than anyone because we live together.

I thought about just kindly telling her that she does this, but we haven't known each other for that long. And knowing her personality and her insecurities, I don't think she would take it well. I've also tried saying things like what I was going to say was, or as I was saying, that she either doesn't notice or doesn't care. Our living situation has been really good so far, but this weeks be angry, and when I'm annoyed with her, it's about this.

I don't want to mess things up, but I also don't want to let my annoyance fester. Any advice? Thank you. Hmm. I do think you should say something because, yeah, you don't want to let it fester and, like, like, just keep collecting annoyances every time you have a conversation. But also, like, I don't know what I have no idea of fix this either because I, we have a friend who interrupts and I've tried to, like, get in there with what I want. want to say or like wait till they're done talking and then be like and here's my side of what i want to say but like yeah i and also i've actually said out loud like i don't like when people are up me or like i can't like if it you know it doesn't feel good when like it feels like people

are just talking over me and i don't get a word in and then but like it hasn't changed so then i don't know i don't know what to do about that i don't know either because i have the same problem and i've started to just keep talking and then it turns into talking at each other and like the volume gets raised and I'm like who's going to win it's going to be you it'll just be you I will yes yes that's what happens and I my therapist has said that I should just go hey girl I was talking here hey girl and she was like you know put it in your own words but like the sentiment's like hey can I just finish what I was saying real quick and I feel like I've said that and they're like well let me just finish what I'm saying

real quick and I'm like well all right I don't know I tried so this is tough it's pretty tough yeah I guess if you're a person who interrupts I think you know the person who wrote in kind of clocked it they probably don't have self-awareness or like they just really can't see that like oh like the other person also needs to get words in too or like I should pause for a second to listen which sounds so basic but it's like that's how a conversation works yes and how do you explain that to somebody I don't know but sometimes I do things that I don't realize like I actually do not realize um like that nice man who's in my life I didn't realize that when I get excited,

I turned directly to his face and scream the things I'm excited about. And he very kindly one day was like, hey, I love you very much, but sometimes when you get excited, you scream so loud directly into my face. And he went, me? No, I don't.

And then. Not five minutes later, I was like, oh, boy. And he went, hey. And I went, oh, no, that was it. And he was like, uh-huh. And then last night, I got excited about something. And I gently turned my face away and screamed. And he went, hey, he's like, I know you're working on it.

But maybe when you're excited, you don't scream. That's really funny. You're like, so the problem is me turning to your face. I'll just turn away from you and scream. Well, if I had turned all the way around, but his face was here and I just turned like this. Just like beside his face. Uh-huh. He was like, no, not that one either.

And then I did do one where I turned fully around. He went, there we go. So it's just the back of your head. He's looking out. You know, remember me? So maybe. And I have been trying. this with my friend who interrupts but I think maybe I could be like hey did you do you interrupt a lot

like one on one yeah and then like when she does it be like there it is is I'm sorry to point it out yeah do which is yeah because it was really help I really didn't know that I would turn to him open my mouth and like scream and he was like you do it right by my ear too he's like you kind of like women. I think that's good. Yeah. I like that because even if it doesn't change immediately or at all, you did say it once. So it kind of gives you the open door to keep being like, hey, this is what I was talking about. It's happening right now, you know, as opposed to like, I guess, yeah, like bringing it up like around other people or like, or just keeping it to yourself or hinting at But, yeah, if you, yeah, I want on one talk of, like, I don't know if you realize this.

And, yeah, it can be as like, I guess understanding as possible. Like, you know, you're probably so excited to talk and I love hearing you talk. But it's a little hard for me to, like, get my opinions in in a conversation. And I think what, like, makes me excited about hanging out with you is the back and forth that we have. So I would love if you can, like, have a moment to, like, see when I'm trying to talk or, like, actually hear what I'm saying and, like, let me get in. And then if it, yeah, if it happens in real time, you'd be like, okay, that's what I was talking about. Yeah.

And hopefully eventually they're, like, more aware of it. And I think the key to criticizing, like, a characteristic of somebody is saying, I'm saying this lovingly. I'm not, like, trying to offend you. I love who you are as a person. Because I needed to hear all those things before I was told I screamed in their face. Yeah. Which even, like, recanting it does sound crazy that I scream in someone's face.

And did it? Know it. I'm not surprised at all. Do you scream in your face? I know in the car I make loud yelps and you get scared. Yeah, that does happen. I'm sorry. You gasp, you scream. You say, look.

I'm like, I'm driving. But sometimes there's things you kind of see. I'm trying to be safe. I don't know if you scream in my face, but also, I don't know. I think I'm maybe just used to your levels, your highs, your lows, you know. Okay. Solved.

Solved. There was a moment where you... I would put my fingers in your face. Yeah. And I didn't know. And I did tell you. I was like, hey, this is this thing that you do where you put your hands and your fingers in my face. And I would like you stop.

And you're like, why would I do that? And I was like, I also don't know. But I would like it to stop. Did you have to tell me multiple times? Yeah. Or I think there was a moment where you did it again. I was like, that's what I'm talking about. And you're like, oh, I guess I do do it.

But then I think pretty quickly you did stop. What was I like, like, wiggling fingers? I think maybe you were wiggling fingers or, like, pointing or, I don't know. It was like how you were, like, expressing something. I don't know, but they were always. I'm a nightmare human. I'm screaming, I'm pointing. I think because I think I noticed it more because you smoked all the time.

So, like, not only are your hands here in my periphery, but I'm smelling the smoke, yeah. I'll forever be sorry about that. It's okay. I'm glad that you were able to make the adjustment. Here's the thing. I'm having, like, a little bit of, not like an identity crisis, but I'm like, I do yell when I'm excited. Do I get up and yell? No, I don't think you get up and yell.

I don't think so. I have to yell. Yeah. Sometimes you'll straighten your whole body and be like, Ah! Oh my God! But you'll still be seated. Or you'll slide.

Like, oh, my God. I do slide. And it's also really wild to see somebody do that because I was like, oh, I do do that. I also do a thing when I'm flabbergasted. I'll sit right up. Like, if I'm reclining, I'll sit up and be like, what? So, Shear, last night, so that nice man and I were talking about how you make a peanut butter and jelly sandwich.

Oh, yeah. I've assumed it was a conversation you're already having because you were texting. Well, because I needed an opinion, and I'm in the minority. I'll ask you guys, too. So peanut butter and jelly sandwich, are you using one knife or two knives? I'm using a knife that's boom, to be honest. because I think that it's easier to spread jelly with the back of a spoon

Casey I use one knife that seems to be the consensus everybody's using one knife and then there's freaks who use spoons the spoon blew me away the spoon when I read about the spoon my body went straight

and I was like what do you mean we're ladling jelly I mean it does make sense like that yeah if you use a knife it's probably going to slide off the knife but I guess I don't care I also haven't made a peanut burn jelly sandwich in years maybe decades nobody has

it was also funny because on our group texts people were like well when I'm at somebody else's house I use two nights to be respectful and I'm like when are you making peanut butter jelly sandwich that's funny somebody else's house you never know but I'm a guest

and I'm making a PB&J and then I have another question when you sleep I don't remember what your answer was tummy, side, or back? Side. That's so wild that you immediately had an answer. Because my question was, well, what are the conditions of the sleep? Am I very tired?

Am I not that tired? Yeah. Am I just napping? Different positions for different types of sleep. Interesting. No, I, it feels bad for my body to sleep on my stomach or my back. Oh. Like my lower back will hurt in either of those positions.

Interesting. When I'm going for a hard slumber where my mouth is open, I'm like side and tummy. Okay. And then if I'm falling back asleep from like waking up at 8 a.m. And I should just stay awake. But I'm like, I'll just have a little naparoo that's on my back. Oh. Do you feel like you're more alert on your back or like ready to wake up?

Maybe. Like is that as deep of a sleep? Maybe. Maybe that's what I'm going for. But I'm in full REM sleep when I'm napping for two hours. You're like, but I'll wake up soon because I'm on my back. Wow, we should end this episode. Okay.

That was a fun one, huh? It was a fun one, huh? Did you think? For whatever reason, I don't believe that you thought it was a fun one? I do. It was a fun one, huh? I don't know. I'm just having a good time.

So sure, it was a fun one. Yeah, okay. Hey, I always have fun with you. I always have fun with you. All right. See you later. That was a fun one, huh? Oh, wait.

If you want to ask you questions, our queries to us in between our fun times, you can call or text or leave a voice message at 323-23-8-6554. We also have an email at Nicole and share at gmail.com. All right. Goodbye. I've never been more useless.

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