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Episode Date: February 6, 2025

Journalist Abby Ellin’s next big story was living in her own home.  You can find Abby’s book Duped here and you can read more of Abby’s work at her website.   If you would like to reach out to the Betrayal Team, email us at [e-mail] and follow us on Instagram at @betrayalpod See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Please save your submission as a PDF and email it to BetrayalPod at gmail.com. Okay, now on to the episode. If he can lie about that, he can lie about anything. I mean, he used his dead mother's name, he used his dead father's name, he used, I think his aunt, he used my name, all these people. It was absolutely crazy-making. I'm Andre Gunning, and this is Betrayal, a show about the people we trust the most. and the deceptions that change everything.

Listen, I've always craved drama. And I got it. I got it. That's Abby Ellen. She's an independent journalist where outlets like the New York Times and Washington Post. Yeah, I'm in my 50s,

and I have been a freelance writer since I'm like 22. Storytelling comes naturally to her. Even as a kid, I was interested in people's story, I was interested in gossip, I was interested in people's lives. I just wanted to know how things worked. And I also was always interested in getting to the bottom of things. To say she's curious as an understatement.

When she was in elementary school, Abby was on a children's show called Rompere Room. It was popular in the 1970s. On the show, the host would hold up a magic mirror. And through it, she would pretend to see a screen. straight into living rooms across the country. She'd named dozens of children who were watching the show. Kids at home thought she was talking directly to them, through the mirror. As a kid, Abby knew the magic mirror was faked.

And when she was on the show, she was determined to figure out how. Well, they would put the kids in the control room, and you could see all of the monitors, and you could see what was happening. And I remember pointing to that with a kid next to me. I was like, check it out. like there's no magic. And he was really upset. He was like, I don't want to know that, you know.

And I was like, see, I got to the truth. 50 years later, she's still that same person. I hate magic tricks. I hate going to magic shows. I need to know how they do things. That dogged curiosity has motivated Abby's work for decades. When she first started her journalism career in New York City, I could have gotten a job like in the Devil Wares Prada.

I could have gotten a job as an assistant to an editor. But I thought, what am I going to learn about writing from picking up some of these dry cleaning? Nothing. What am I going to learn about from faxing their correspondence? Nothing. I didn't want to do that. Instead, she got her start writing for women's magazines. It was the 90s when magazines still ruled the media landscape.

And Abby had to start at the bottom of the ladder. The women's magazines had you do like quizzes. Is he a jerk? Are you a control freak? I mean, those kind of things. I didn't give a shit. I mean, I hated that stuff. And I just got terrified that I was going to get stuck doing that.

She wanted something more hard-hitting. So she started cold pitching stories to the New York Times. And she finally got a story accepted. It was an expose on simulated military boot camps for civilians. And I wrote a big story about that. It was a full page in New York Times. I framed it. And I thought, that's that.

Never going to happen again. Well, The editor, who I wrote that for, called me up one day, and he said, we're starting a column. He wanted Abby to write for it. So for the next five years, she wrote a column about young people and money for the business section of the New York Times. She was in her late 20s. The stars were aligning for her career, and she was building a life for herself. My mother is really a super feminist and has always been profoundly independent and has always been like what women need.

is their own money no matter what. They all need their own money, you know? So she wanted me to always have my own space. On her mother's advice, Abby bought her first apartment. It was a loft in New York City. She had everything she wanted. Even dating came easily for Abby. Oh, God, men were everywhere.

Men were everywhere. In her 20s, her relationships usually ended because he was more into her than she was into him. I, you know, had my boyfriend, then we broke up, and then I had other boyfriends. And I continued to work, and I continued to travel, and I kind of never really wanted to get married, per se. That wasn't my agenda. I didn't want to be tethered to somebody all the time. In her 30s, she dated more seriously.

But none of the guys were quite right. One was a guy I met in Peru. He was a furniture maker, and he was great, but that took. didn't work out. A couple guys in the theater. I mean, just different, nice. I mean, they were fine. They were fine people.

But I wanted something that mattered. I wanted something that mattered. Abby had traveled the world, reported for prestigious publications, and made friends in every corner of the city. But there was one thing she still hadn't experienced. Again, I didn't care if I got married, but I wanted to be madly in love. She wanted to be madly in love.

By the time she was 40, she started looking for love in new places. If you've been single a while, you know, sometimes you're just like, oh, God, maybe I should go out with somebody who I never thought I'd be with just because maybe I've been barking up the wrong tree all this time. After a string of relationships with struggling artists, she thought she'd try something more traditional. First, she went with the conservative Wall Street type. Then she thought, I'm Jewish. I was brought up Jewish. I thought, I've always dated non-Jewish guys. Maybe I need to be with somebody who's Jewish. Maybe that's what I need. On a lark, her friend recommended a psychic.

Apparently, she had great insights on love. Oh, God. Carmela is psychic from Younger because that's what she sounded like. But Carmela saw something in Abby's future. A man. And she was like, you're going to meet somebody. You're going to move. His first initial is going to be R, P, B, or D.

And he's going to wear a uniform. And I said, I don't know. anybody in uniform other than the FedEx guy. And she was like, no, it's not the FedEx guy. Around the same time, Abby was working on a piece for the Times. I was working on an article for the New York Times about detox diets and whether or not they had any validity or whether they were just kind of bullshit. And somebody suggested I call this guy who worked in Beverly Hills, California, who was a doctor there. He had written some articles or studies about detox diets.

This Beverly Hills doctor gave Abby a great quote for her article. We're going to call him Richard. I quoted him and we had a nice conversation and that was the end of it. A few months later, she had to call Richard again to fact-check the article. And I said, are you still in Beverly Hills? And he said, no, I'm in the Navy. I'm a Navy doc. Richard had been a Navy seal in his 20s, then left to go to medical school.

After decades of private medical practice, he rejoined the Navy to work on special projects. He was working on opening up a hospital for kids with cancer in Iraq and Afghanistan. At the time, Abby wanted a new beat. She wanted to report on international relations. I was looking to do something different to expand my career. I wanted to do international reporting and even if possible, I wanted to do war correspondents. Richard was a good source, someone who might have stories and connections she would need. I said, well, tell me about it.

You know, keep me posted on it. how this goes. This is right up my alley. And he did. He kept keeping me posted. He kept telling me what was going on. At first, it was regular updates about his job in the Middle East. And then we began talking more and more. They started writing to each other every day, and she learned more about Richard's personal life. Apparently he had been divorced since I met him. His two kids lived in California, and he was Lidian

Jacksonville and he was going to move to Washington. And I thought, well, isn't that ironic because because I was going to move to Washington, too, to go to grad school. Abby had just been accepted to an international relations master's program. It was in Washington, D.C., where Richard was headed next. By this point, their conversations feared into flirtations. So when they found out they were both moving to the same city, it seemed almost, you know, there's a word in Hebrew, beshared, which means meant to be. And I thought, okay, this is meant to be. Their flirtation expanded into late-night phone calls and surprised deliveries.

And he called when he said he would, and he sent flowers, and he wasn't like a suffering artist in paint splattered jeans. You know, he was really a good guy. Richard was mature and accomplished. He was a doctor. Maybe this was the guy she'd been waiting for. I was 42, so I wasn't a kid. And he was 58, so he wasn't a kid.

But it didn't matter because he was nice to me and he was good to me. After months of talking, Abby emailed him a poem. So I thought, all right, I can woo. I'm going to send it to him. She knew this poem was his favorite. I'm going to read it. It's very short. This is just to say, by William Carlos Williams.

I had eaten the plums that were in the icebox and which you were probably saving for breakfast. forgive me. They were delicious, so sweet, and so cold. And I sent to Tammy, write me back three words. I love you. And I thought, all right, it's a little fast, but okay. She'd only been talking to Richard for a few months.

But when she got his reply, she smiled. Richard was scheduled to be in New York the following month. Abby hadn't started school yet and was still in town. So they decided to meet in person. for the first time. He said, I've got to be in New York to give his talk at the EU in. So I'm going to be wearing my outfit, my Navy uniform. And he said, let's go somewhere celebratory.

He made a reservation for them at the Four Seasons restaurant. It's now closed. But in the early 2000s, it was one of the most glamorous date spots in New York. It was a very CNBCing kind of place. there was a giant pool in the middle of it, and it was just very expensive and swanky and ritzie. And it was just kind of the place to be. On the night of their date, Richard met her in the lobby,

wearing his white Navy officer uniform. As he walked towards her, she realized, this was the man in uniform, the one the psychic had foreseen. Richard even brought her a gift. He brings what is called a cover, but it's a navy cap, you know, it's the hat. I brought you one, he said. They walked into dinner hand in hand, Abby wearing his white navy cap.

And at dinner, he was so funny and he was charming and he was good to me and he was charismatic and, you know, he kind of wooed me. He was wooing me. I like that. It was after dating all sorts of shitheads, it was nice to be with somebody who, you know, seemed to be who they said they were. That was the beginning of Richard's regular visits to New York to take Abby out on romantic dates.

He comes to visit for a weekend or maybe overnight. I mean, he always greeted me with a big kiss and he'd tell me how beautiful I was. When he met Abby's friends, he impressed them too. He cared about people. He cared about the world. He was always picking up tabs. He was always doing things. that made people really like him. Richard had two kids by his first wife,

and even though he lived apart from them, he was still a family man. It was very close to his son, so that was nice, and daughter. He talked to his kid, his son, all the time. And then there was his illustrious military career. He was constantly traveling for work. He always said that he had certain things that he did

that he wouldn't be able to tell me about, and then he would often go off on these sort of secret missions, and he couldn't tell me what he was doing. and I was kind of intrigued by that. Abby was the kid who needed to know how the magic mirror worked. And now with Richard, she wanted to know about his classified military projects. It kind of drove me mad that I didn't know what he was doing. And a friend of mine said, well, that's obviously a lesson you need to learn that.

You can't know everything. Her intrigue turned to concern when Richard began having horrible nightmares. He would just have these screaming nightmares. And so he had to sleep with the lights on and the TV on. When she asked, he brushed it off. All he would say is that he had bad memories, things from the military that he couldn't talk about. I felt badly and I thought something must have happened. But I didn't know.

I didn't know what it was. Before long, his career began bumping up against their relationship. Anytime he broke any plan, which we began to do pretty regularly, it was, it's a secret mission. I can't tell you anything more about it. That's it. Abby nicknamed him the commander. It was a joke at first, but it stuck,

because Richard couldn't seem to escape his career. The commander told me that we were being followed by the Secret Service. This was jarring for Abby. And she demanded a reason why they were being followed. To her surprise, the commander began revealing some details about his career. He said that he had been a doctor at Guantanamo. He had been recruited to be the head doctor for prisoners at Guatanamo Bay. This was the mid-2000s, at the height of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The commander explained that there was intense infighting with personnel at Guantanamo. It had to do with classified information that wasn't being delivered up the chain. That's why he was being protected by men in black SUVs. And he said, when I was at Guantanamo, all these guys are after me. They hate me. And they threatened me and my family. So my loved ones are being followed by the Secret Service. Abby tried to play it down, to act casual. But this was a big disclosure. And I remember I said to him, well, you know, next time, why don't you ask them if they can give me a ride so I don't have to call taxis. I mean, I was just like, this is absurd.

She wasn't even sure if she believed his story about the Secret Service. But then one day, his son called from California. And there was a car outside and said, Dad, is that your guys? Why are they outside the house? So I remember I thought something really must have happened. Now Abby needed answers. What had really happened at Guantanamo? I need to know everything.

Eventually, Richard confided in her. And he said that one of his parents. Patience was a very high-level terrorist. And I said, who? And he said, Osama bin Laden. And I said, that's insane. And he said, no, it's not. And he began to list all the physical problems that Bin Laden had.

This was 2008. At the time, the military claimed to be actively searching for bin Laden. So him being held at Guantanamo just didn't. didn't make sense. And I said to him, that is a stupid thing to tell a person. And I said, that's also not possible because the president, it was Bush at the time, that he would never let this happen without getting it out because it was a big deal. And, you know, it would have helped Republicans.

So he would never have been quiet about that if he knew where bin Laden was. And he said, no, the president doesn't know. And I said that's impossible. Well, he said there's a lot of things that they don't know. And I remember thinking, okay, this is insane. But maybe there's a story here. There's two golden rules that any man should live by. Rule one, never mess with a country girl.

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Abby's new boyfriend, Richard, made some pretty surprising claims. Biggest of all, that Osama bin Laden was being held at Guantan. and that he had treated bin Laden for medical issues. This was the early 2000s, and bin Laden was one of the biggest fugitives on the planet. So Richard's story was hard to believe. But Abby knew for a fact that the commander worked in the Navy. With a very high security clearance at that,

she'd met some of his colleagues. So like a good journalist, she wanted to verify the commander's claim. I was trying to do my own checkups because I was feeling crazy. And I couldn't call up the CIA and say, hey, do you have this guy on your payroll? I mean, you can't do that. So she started asking around, using vague details. My brother-in-law said that doesn't make sense because he was in the Navy, and he said he wouldn't tell you about that. I had another friend who said the same thing.

They're not supposed to tell you. She doubted the story, but wasn't prepared to write it off entirely. Even if there was a remote possibility, it could be true. It would be the biggest story in the world. old. And as someone who wanted to be a war reporter, that was undeniably enticing. She hit a dead end trying to fact-check the Bin Laden story. So instead, she decided to fact-check Richard. She started with one time when he said, that he had a vault full of metals for operations that didn't really exist. They were unofficial, you know, like homeland-y kind of things that you're

not supposed to know about. Abby asked her new professors if this could be true. I would ask my teachers, you know, is that possible? They said, yeah, absolutely it is. If that checked out, Richard's other classified projects could exist as well. Abby realized she could in fact check the Bin Laden story. And after Richard shared that, he never talked about it again. He wanted a relationship separate from work. After all, the rest of his life was pretty tame.

I met his family. I met his son. I met his brother. I met his aunt. I met some friends. I met everybody, you know? So it just seems kind of normal. And he met her family.

Abby introduced him to her mom. He was a Jewish doctor. What's not to like? As their lives began to merge, Abby was ready to bring up a big topic of her own. I wanted to adopt. And I had said to him at some point, listen, I'm going to want a kid.

When she told Richard. this? Basically, he was willing to do it. He said, I love you. I'm in love with you. I'll do anything you want. I'm going to ask you to marry me. So whatever makes you happy makes me happy. That conversation brought their relationship to a new level. It was like an unspoken marriage proposal. I'm 42. He's 58. We're not kids anymore. And we would discuss that. He said, you know, his father always said, when you know, you know. And I've heard that before. So then he, he's He began. He would visit me in New York, and he would come and he would say, oh, I just went to De Beers. And I was looking, I was looking at rings there. And I thought, okay, great, that's cool.

But one day he says to me, you know, Abby, I'm really upset. I can't afford a $30,000 ring. $40,000 ring. You know, I said, I don't need a $40,000 ring. Which is true. I didn't. After six months together, Richard officially proposed. She said yes. It's true, the ring was nothing extravagant, but they both knew they wanted to be together. And in keeping with their low-key attitude, Abby began planning for a small wedding, maybe the next year.

They weren't in a rush. I had never really expected to get married. That wasn't my goal. So it was very odd, buying a dress. I decided I would just do something very small, like a dinner or something, just something chill. They made plans to move in together in Washington, D.C. Eventually, we found a place at the Watergate, which, you know, was obviously very famous.

The apartment was being paid for by the Navy. But even still, Abby didn't like the Watergate or D.C. It was just sort of bleak and the Watergate was empty. And I didn't find Washington to be an especially hospitable town. It didn't help that the commander was always traveling for work. Sometimes go in Afghanistan. Sometimes he's going to Iraq. Sometimes he's doing all these things that I can't even know about.

I'll tell you when there's a secure line is what you would say. And when he came home, he struggled to keep his eyes open. He's a drag. Like falling asleep early, he'll fall asleep at dinner. We're at dinner at like 6 o'clock, and he's at the table, like, falling asleep. She chalked it up to him being a bit older and traveling so much for work. But Abby still had her mindset on the future. well, I had put down money to adopt by myself, so I was all going to do that.

As time went on, Richard wasn't so into the idea. Anytime he talked about adoption, he always would say, you know, I'll do it if that's what you really want to do. But a lot of those kids really have problems. And I thought that was a really callous thing to say. I thought that was awful. Because I knew a lot of kids who were not adopted who had problems. He was changing. He wasn't the accommodating and doting man.

met, that guy was rarely around. And one day... I was talking about something about getting married, and we didn't even have a date. But he started breaking down. He's like, I'm so overwhelmed. We have to push the wedding back. Maybe he was stressed out with work, or maybe he was having cold feet. Shortly after this conversation, Abby confided in her mom.

And I told her about the bin Laden thing, and she said something's not right there, Abby. She said that doesn't make sense. And I got mad at her. I said, why isn't it possible that there are things that you don't know, that we don't know, and we don't know the answer yet? And I got so mad at her, I was like, you're so suspicious. Abby was defensive in the moment, but her mom's suspicion rubbed off on her. So then I kind of went back and would ask him questions, you know, more targeted.

And he would get mad at me. One night at dinner with Abby's parents, the commander made a big show of complimenting a meal. We're at a restaurant, and he raves about the Brussels sprouts. These are the best Brussels sprouts ever. Okay, my parents, that's nice. They didn't make it. They don't care. But as soon as they were alone, he told Abby the exact opposite.

And he said, that's, I think, the worst meal I've ever eaten. And I just thought to myself, what? I said, why did you lie? Why did you lie? They didn't care. He said I wanted it to make them feel good. It just was too discordant. You can't verify the CIA. You can't verify Navy SEAL.

You can't do that. But that was something tangible that I could verify. And I just thought I can't do this anymore. I can't do this. This is insane. If he can lie about that, he can lie about anything. That small lie about the Brussels sprouts broke something inside of Abby. It was proof that he felt the need to compulsively lie.

She was disgusted with him, but she wasn't prepared to call off the wedding. That was until a few weeks later. It was Christmas, and we were spending it with his brother and sister-in-law in their big house in Georgetown, and his son and daughter were there. And I overheard the son saying, what's that ring on Abby's finger?

Is that from you? And I didn't hear the response, but I remember thinking to my husband. myself, this kid doesn't know that we're getting married. The son had no idea that he had proposed to me. Richard had told Abby that his kids do and that they were happy about it. The commander told me that when he told his son that he had proposed to me, his son said, well, what took you so long?

And now, she had proof of a very consequential lie. You're lying to me and I can't. There's something I'm dumb. I'm out of here. That night, she called her. off the engagement. And the timing turned out to be pretty convenient. About two weeks later, he came over and he said, listen, the Navy, who was apparently paying for the apartment, needs the apartment. And they're shipping me out somewhere else. I'm leaving Washington. So we have to pack up everything and get out. So Abby packed up and

moved back to New York. And I didn't know what I was going to do because I was going to school. I ended up commuting to Washington from New York City. And I finished my degree. In the wake of the breakup, Abby second-guessed yourself. I felt bad. I felt maybe I overreacted. You know, every time I would interrogate him, he'd be like, well, that's why you're single, because you always question and you don't trust and you interrogate. That's why. That's why you've been single all this time. And I thought, well, maybe that's right. You know, maybe that's right. A few months after the breakup, she was in D.C. for school. And one night, she was in a cab driving by the water gate.

And the light was still on in the apartment. And I called him. I said, are you in the apartment? He said, you know, it was a comedy of errors. I got everything moved and everything was in storage and everything was great and I was ready to be relocated. And then the Navy said, nope, you got to move back into the apartment. You got to stay in Washington.

We're keeping you here. So remember, I'm Nancy Drew. I said, well, I need to pick up my cookbooks that are in the apartment. I left the cookbooks. So she told the cab driver to pull over. She wanted to investigate. I didn't have a key. And I said to the doorman, I'd like to go up to the apartment.

And the doorman said, you're not allowed up. I have a note. Abby Ellen is not allowed up. So I called the commander. I said, what's up with that? Like, why was I, there was specifically a note? And he said, oh, somebody was assaulted in the building, so they're being really careful about who they lit in.

I said, I don't believe you. She told Richard she needed to get a few things she left behind. So we let her up. I looked in the house and the cookbooks were exactly where I had left them. It wasn't just the cookbooks. His baseball glove was exactly where I had been when I left. And there was a sliver of soap in exactly the same place, the same sliver that had been there when I left.

And I looked at him and I said, you didn't move. And he said, oh, yes, I did. There was no way he moved out of the apartment and put a tiny, used-up sliver of soap back in the exact same place, stuck to the same bath tile. And I thought, you're nuts. And that was it. That was it. I didn't really talk to him after that. She knew he was a liar.

But how big of a liar? She wouldn't find out for another year and a half. And then I got a phone call. It's a 202 area code. The only 202 area code I knew was the commanders. So I thought, okay. I don't know why he's calling. And I picked it up.

And it was Special Agent Dan Ryan with NCIS. There's two golden rules that any man should live by. Rule one, never mess with a country girl. You play stupid games, you get stupid prizes. And rule two, never mess with her friends. either. We always say that trust your girlfriends. I'm Anna Sinfield, and in this new season of the girlfriends, oh my God, this is the same man. A group of women discover they've all dated the same prolific con artist. I felt like I got hit by a truck. I thought, how could this happen to me? The cops

didn't seem to care, so they take matters into their own hands. I said, oh, hell no. I vowed. I will be his last target. He's going to get what he deserves. Listen to the girlfriends. Trust me, babe. On the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Ego Wadam. My next guest, you know from Step Brothers Anchorman, Saturday Night Live, and the Big Money Players Network. It's Will Ferrell.

My dad gave me the best advice ever. I went and had lunch with them one day, and I was like, and Dad, I think I want to really give this a shot. I don't know what that means, but I just know the groundlings. I'm working my way up through, and I know it's a place that come look for up and coming talent. He said, if it was based solely on talent, I wouldn't worry about you, which is really sweet. Yeah. He goes, but there's so much luck involved. And he's like, just give it a shot.

He goes, but if you ever reach a point where you're banging your head against the wall and it doesn't feel fun anymore, it's okay to quit. If you saw it written down, it would not be an inspiration. It would not be on a calendar. of, you know, the cat just hang in there. Yeah, it would not be. Right, it wouldn't be that. There's a lot of luck. Listen to Thanks, Dad, on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

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They would uncover a disturbing pattern. Two more men who'd been through the same thing. Gregalespian and Michael Marantini. My mind was blown. I'm Stephanie Young. This is Love Trap. Laura, Scottsdale Police. As the season continues, Laura Owens finally faces consequences.

Ladies and gentlemen, breaking news at Americopa County as Laura Owens has been indicted on fraud charges. This isn't over until justice is served in Arizona. Listen to Love Trapped podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. A silver 40 caliber handgun was recovered at the scene. From IHeart podcasts and Best Case Studios. This is Worshack. Murder at City Hall. How could this have happened in City Hall? Somebody tell me that.

July 2003, Councilman James E. Davis arrives at New York City Hall with a guest. Both men are carrying concealed weapons. And in less than 30 minutes, both of them will be dead. Now, everybody in the chamber's duct. A shocking public murder. I scream, get down, get down. Those are shots.

Those are shots. Get down. A charismatic politician. spent the rules all the time. I still have a weapon, and I could shoot you. And an outsider with a secret. He alleged he was a victim of flatdown.

That may or may not have been political. That may have been about sex. Listen to Rorschach, murder at City Hall, on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Abby hadn't talked to Richard in over a year, when a DC number cold called her, she assumed it was him.

But to her surprise, It was a special agent with NCIS, the Naval Criminal Investigative Service. And he says there's a doctor who's writing prescriptions for narcotics, for Vicodin. And your name is one of the names he's been using. MEPI's name had shown up on a list of falsified narcotics prescriptions. Scripts written by a Navy doctor named Richard. I said, what? and he said, yeah, he's been writing prescriptions for drugs.

Do you know him, do you have a prescription? And I said, no, I know him, and I do not have a prescription for Vicodin. You know, I prefer Valium. I mean... The phone call didn't upset Abby. In fact, she was excited because maybe she was finally going to get answers about Richard. I thought maybe this is the culmination. Everything's kind of coming to a head.

CIA and Navy Seal and everything is just coming together. It turned out, Richard wasn't working with special forces on secret missions. He was actually a Navy doctor, working at the Pentagon. But while he was there, people he worked at the Pentagon, he had used their names to forge drugs. He forged hundreds of opioid prescriptions, using the names of his coworkers and his family.

He used his dead mother's name, he used his dead father's name, He used, I think, his aunt. He used my name. All these people. He'd been caught filling scripts at the Pentagon's pharmacy. It was a brazen scheme. What was he doing with all those painkillers? I asked if he was selling, and Dan Ryan said,

No, we have no evidence of that. Presumably, Richard was taking the pills himself. At least, that's what he later claimed to a judge. Abby thought back to dinners with the commander. the ones where he was falling asleep at the table. In hindsight, that was her only clue that Richard could have been taking opioids. So I kicked into journalist mode. She tracked down Richard's ex-wife and gave her a call.

His ex-wife knew Richard had a girlfriend, but it wasn't Abby. She was one who told me about the girlfriend. Abby would call one woman who told her about another. It was like a phone tree of Richard's ex-girlfriends. That's how she found a woman who'd been engaged to Richard. At the same time, Abby started dating him. And her name was Christine. She was a doctor.

She was awesome. And he proposed to her. Right around the time he started beginning corresponding with me. And he, one day, said to her, I've got to go off on a secret mission. I'll call you when I come back. And he never came back. Christine never knew why Richard.

disappeared. Abbey had the other half of the story. And the secret mission was Operation Abby. But Richard's romantic con took an even darker turn. The last woman he'd been seeing was named Gail. Richard had been her college boyfriend. When Gail was diagnosed with breast cancer in her 60s, he reappeared. She was getting a divorce. He had reached out to her. And, you know, and I never stopped loving you after 30 years, blah, blah, blah, all this stuff. He swept Gail off her feet. He even claimed he could help her beat cancer. After all, he was a doctor.

He was helping manage her cancer. But she was one of the names he was using to get narcotics as well. Gail was the last woman, Richard Kand, before he got caught. And then I called up Gail, who was basically dying at the time. She had cancer. cancer. When NCIS informed Gail about the fraudulent prescriptions in her name, she was so angry she flipped on Richard immediately. She wore a wire and he admitted that he had been forging signatures and everything. He admitted to her and she got him in trouble. Gail passed away shortly

after that. Her story is the one Abby still thinks about. If there is a hero here, she says it's Gail. Richard ultimately pled guilty to two felony charges of prescription fraud. In his sentencing hearing, he told a judge that he'd become addicted while he struggled to cope with his girlfriend's terminal cancer diagnosis. Between that and his history of military service, the judge went easy on him. He was sentenced to, I think, two years in one day. After Abby found out about Richard's crimes, she began parsing out every line. he ever told her. Ben Laden, Richard never treated him at Guantanamo, the Secret Service wasn't following him or his kids. He had never been a Navy SEAL because Abby found a Navy SEAL

impersonation expert who checked military records and confirmed it. And those screaming nightmares Richard had? While the SEAL expert said fake nightmares are a common feature of con artists like Richard. Abby had been duped. After this happened, I was like, now I got a book. Thank you. She titled her book duped. Once she got started on it, she realized it was about much more than just her own experience. It was about the experience of being lied to. It's not a straight-out memoir. It is really an investigation. We decided to focus on the victims. What is it like to be deceived? What is it like to be duped? What is it like to be duped? What is it like to? to not have all the facts,

and that the life you've been living is not the life you thought you were living. So that was my book. Abby never blamed herself for believing Richard's lies. You know, what's the worst thing you did? The worst thing is you trusted somebody. And we have to trust. Society works on trust.

You have to stop at the red light. You have to stop at the stoplight. You have to trust that the pilot knows how to fly the plane. you have to trust that that cop is really a cop. You have to. And if you don't, society will fall apart. Working on her book, she researched experts on deception, like Dr. Jennifer Fried, who coined the term betrayal blindness.

And it was just about, you know, how when children are being abused by their caretakers, they don't see it because they need that caretaker. They can't believe that that person is working against them. And it's the same thing in any relationship. whether it's somebody, you're a business colleague or your romantic partner, you don't want to believe that someone's going to do this to you. You can't believe it. And it's to your benefit not to see it because of your life that you built up.

And she even explored this stigma around being deceived, that feeling of self-blame and stupidity when we've been lied to. So then I found this study that said actually smarter people are more susceptible to being dup because they don't think it would happen to them. So actually, people who've been duped are smarter. They tend to be smarter, specifically because of fatal overconfidence. It would never happen to me. Abby turned Richard's betrayal into a story, a story for herself and for the world.

I never felt ashamed. I never felt embarrassed. To me, it was a story, and it was a great story. Instead of covering international relations, today, she mostly reports on fraud. I think it's fair to say that it changed the trajectory of my career. I began reporting on different things. I became somewhat of an expert on fraud.

I guess read a book about white color fraud, and I did a podcast, which led into a documentary that I did with The New York Times called To Live and Die in Alabama. So it did change my life. And thanks to her experience with Richard, she's learned a few things about herself. I always know I was resilient. and I always knew I was strong.

But I don't know that I realized just how capable I was. That's nice to know. We end all of our episodes with the same question. Why are you sharing your story? I think it's very important for people to know that they're not alone, and that this happens to other people. It's very easy for it to happen now with technology. You're not a terrible person.

You're not a stupid person. Lots of people are in this situation, and don't feel like an idiot. Because, again, what's the worst thing you did? You trusted. That's okay. On the next episode of betrayal. I said, well, I'm not a suspicious person.

And he said, maybe you should be more suspicious. You should ask me questions. At this point, my heart dropped, and I feel like I'm in a vomit. The betrayal felt so intense. and possibly like it was a long time coming. If you would like to reach out to the betrayal team, email us at Betrayalpod at gmail.com. That's Betrayal P-O-D at Gmail.com.

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Hosted and produced by me, Andrea Gunning. Written and produced by Monique Laborde. Also produced by Ben Federman. Associate producers are Kristen Mulcuri and Caitlin Golden. Our IHeart team is Ali Perry and Jessica Kreincheck. Audio editing and mixing by Matt Delvecchio. Additional editing support from TANN. Robin's, Betrayals theme composed by Oliver Baines, music library provided by Mib Music.

And for more podcasts from IHeart, visit the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. When a group of women discover they've all dated the same prolific con artist, they take matters into their own hands. I vowed, I will be his last target. He is not going to get away with this. He's going to get what he deserves. We always say that trust your girlfriends. Listen to the girlfriends. Trust me, babe.

On the IHart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. What's up, everyone? I'm Ego Wood. My next guest, it's Will Ferrell. My dad gave me the best advice ever. He goes, just give it a shot. But if you ever reach a point where you're banging your head against the wall and it doesn't feel fun anymore, it's okay to quit.

If you saw it written down, it would not be an inspiration. It would not be on a calendar of, you know, the cat, just hang in there. Yeah, it would not be. Right, it wouldn't be that. There's a lot of luck. Listen to Thanks Dad on the Iheart Radio app, Apple Podcast,

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Michael Mancini. My mind was blown. I'm Stephanie Young. This is Love Trapped. Laura, Scottsdale Police. As the season continues, Laura Owens finally faces consequences. Listen to Love Trapped podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, it's Nora Jones, and my podcast playing along is back with more of my favorite musicians. Check out my newest episode with Josh Grobin. You related to the Phantom at that point.

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