Betrayal Weekly - Introducing: American Homicide

Episode Date: November 5, 2024

Introducing American Homicide. Betrayal host Andrea Gunning, speaks with American Homicide host Sloane Glass about the brand-new podcast.  American Homicide explores mysterious and iconic murder cases from across America. Whether it’s the spacious skies and vast deserts of New Mexico or the backwaters of the Louisiana Bayou, these murders are connected to their settings. Journalist Sloane Glass leads you through each crime with interviews from the victim's family and investigators.   Please take a moment to listen and subscribe to American Homicide by clicking here. You will find American Homicide on the iHeartApp, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And if you want to listen to episodes one week early and ad-free, you can sign up for iHeartTrueCrime+, exclusively on Apple Podcasts. Thank you for listening! American Homicide  S1: E1 – The Father’s Day Murders, Part 1 On Father’s Day 2011, Cherie Ortiz discovered her parents and brother brutally murdered in their home in the quiet village of El Rancho, New Mexico. In the first episode of American Homicide, journalist Sloane Glass unravels the shocking crime that devastated a close-knit community and ignited a search for answers.    To reach out to the American Homicide team, please email us at [e-mail].  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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He's going to get what he deserves. We always say that trust your girlfriends. Listen to the girlfriends. Trust me, babe. On the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hi, Betrayal Family. It's Andrea Gunning. I want to introduce you to a new weekly true crime show that our team at Glass Podcast has just launched. It's called American Hot.

Homicide and is hosted and produced by my colleague Sloan Glass, who I have here today. Hi, Sloan. Hi, Andrea. You guys may not know this, but Sloan worked on season two of betrayal, so she's very close to the betrayal team. Yeah, it feels very close to my heart. I mean, the highlight for me working on betrayal was interviewing Avea for the show. I'd admired her for a long time as a listener, and then,

getting the opportunity to sit down with her that felt so special. You know, I think you guys did an incredible job and they were in great hands with you. And I'm so curious, what made you want to take on a project like American Homicide? What I really love about American Homicide is how immersive it is. It's not just a retelling. It's a reexamination of infamous true crime stories through firsthand accounts. You are hearing from law enforcement who is behind the investigations. You are hearing from lawyers. You are hearing from judges. You are hearing from victims and their friends and family. And I think what makes it so significant and special really plays off of when you are covering a story, it can be the same crime in a different location and it will have a

totally different impact depending on the community. I learned this as a local news reporter and later as a national news reporter that you are dealing with very different circumstances wherever you are in the country. When a crime takes place in, let's say, a small town, what comes to mind for me, in my personal experience as a journalist, I think of in Delphi, Indiana, there was a case that had gone cold for six years. Two girls had been killed. and it was a town of 1,300 people. That's different from when a crime like that happens in a city. The first story that we have in American Homicide, it made me feel that same way.

So on the feed, we're sharing an episode of American Homicide called The Father's Day Murders. Can you tell us a little bit about what happens? The episode is called the Father's Day murders. Now, you just have to imagine. It's Father's Day. You go to your parents' house for dinner. you open the door and you find your mom, dad, and brother beat into death. And that's what happened to a woman in the small town of El Rancho, New Mexico.

The main suspect for a substantial amount of time was the daughter who had found her family. It just leaves you wondering, what was going on here? Someone must know something. And they're in the community. And they're in the community. And this is a woman who had to fight to find answers to what exactly happened to her family. And meanwhile, everyone is looking at her like she was involved. I'm so excited for this series, Sloan.

You're phenomenal. The storytelling is fantastic. The episodes that I have heard, you are just at every twist and turn, just on the edge of your seat. And I don't doubt that the betrayal audience is going to love it. So without further ado, here's American Homicide, Father's Day Murders, Part 1. It was Father's Day, Dead, Dead, Dead, Dead. It was Father's Day 2011 when Cherie Ortiz walked into her parents' home and found the bodies of her mother and father. They had been shot in the head, and it had occurred sometime earlier in the day.

I just walked in their house and everybody shot in the fucking head. The brutality was unspeakable. The hunt to find the killer would tear the community apart and devastate Sheree. I really do have hope. This is going to get solved. My name is Sloan Glass. I'm a journalist who covered the Long Island serial killer, the Delphi Indiana murders, and many other high-profile true crime cases. And now, I'm the host of American Homicide, a podcast where we take you across the country to investigate some of America's deadliest crimes. We'll explore how these murders are shaped by their unique landscapes and how these tragedies have shaped the fabric of these American communities forever.

Today, we're in the tiny village of El Rancho, New Mexico for part one of the Father's Day murders on American homicide. As a note, this podcast contains subject matter which may not be suitable for all audiences. Discretion is advised. Let me paint a picture for you. Santa Fe, New Mexico is called The City Different for its rich culture and diverse community. Native American ancestries blend with Spanish culture in a state with one. one of America's richest landscapes. Northern New Mexico in particular, it's a very unique place. It's beautiful.

Alex Tomlin was a local TV news reporter who lives in the area. It has impeccable weather and the mountains are incredible. The region is home to natural hot springs and wild rivers. You can drive an hour north and go whitewater rafting or you can go down to white sands and enjoy that. But kind of on the outskirts of Santa Fe, you get a lot of the smaller communities. And one such place is the tiny village of El Rancho. The predominantly Hispanic community is about 20 miles from Santa Fe and is built around co-op farming and churches. It's a lot of people who have kind of grown there, have families there, kind of all know each other.

But it's also a desolate place. One of the things about New Mexico is it's so open. When you go to someone's home, often they have a significant size property. There's not neighbors very close. And even though the homes are all spread out across the desert. Everyone kind of knows each other, but there is an interesting dynamic here. As much as it's known for its beauty is also known for the crime. The tragic murders on Father's Day 2011 would stretch the fabric of El Rancho to its limits.

So June 18, 2011, seemed like any normal night. Sheree Ortiz had dinner plans with her parents, Lloyd and Dixie. Shari Ortiz, she lived on the property with the Ortiz's. Her parents and brother lived in a large one-story house, and Shari and her husband lived in an RV next door. Even though there's a fence around their spacious property, the family had an open door policy. Anyone could come in, have dinner at their table, or spend time with them.

They were just kind of a good family in this community that was very tight-knit. Lloyd Ortiz was a man who loved to use his hands. He owned his own ceramic tile business. His craftsmanship turned up in homes and even luxury hotels all over northern New Mexico. He was an incredibly loving father, a hardworking man who provided for his family, his wife, Dixie. They sound like a perfect pair. Dixie was passionate about working with the elderly and the disabled. She was an activities director at a local retirement home.

And she fostered children with special needs. They took in a child who had chicken baby syndrome and adopted him as their own, raised that child, loved that child. That child's name was Stephen. Stephen had special needs from his early life injuries. His brain never developed beyond that of a nine-year-old. But he matured into a young man that his family called the Gentle Giant. He loved to play drums, ride his ATV, and fish with Lloyd. They were just really giving, loving people.

people, very northern New Mexico, hardworking, you know, love the land, love the culture, kind of thing. Since it was Father's Day, Shari Ortiz whipped up a plate of homemade enchiladas for dinner. It was her gift. Just before 7 o'clock that evening, she took them and walked next door to her parents. Even though it was June, white Christmas icicle lights still hung on the gutters of her parents' home. Inside, the walls were adorned with crucifixes and some of Lloyd's It's handmade tiles. Cherie said she walks in and realizes something's very wrong. She found her mother in bed.

Her mother's head was pretty damaged. She thought someone maybe had shot her. She then went into the kitchen area and found what she thought was her father on the kitchen floor. The body was just so impacted by what was used against them. There's these two bodies. There's blood. everywhere. She goes screaming out of the house and for her husband, again, they lived on the property, so it was pretty close. Cherie's husband, Jesse, ran right over to investigate.

Her husband then comes in the house and he realizes it's not her father on the kitchen floor. It's actually her brother. And that's when he starts searching around and finds her father outside, right outside the back door, kind of in the field there. Lloyd's body was found on a cinder block path that connected the Ortiz back porch to their fenced and yard. He was face down, wearing only his underwear. His eyeglasses sat just inches away. Covering his head was some green shrubbery. By now, Cherie was on the phone. 911, where is your emergency? The dead. They're gone shot once in. Okay. What is your name?

What is your name? Sheree frantically told the nine-one. operator that her mother, father, and brother were shot to death. I just walked in their house and everybody shot in the fucking head. My brother, my dad. This was Cherie's second attempt at a 911 call. Since Sheree and her parents' homes were out in the middle of the desert, her cell reception was spotty. Imagine the panic, the fear that your call would drop again

when you're trying to get emergency help for your family, and she didn't know where the pervert's, trader was, or if they were still on the property. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. I am freaking out. I can't even walk over there because I lose service. And then there's another problem. El Rancho is way off the beaten path, which delays the response time for law enforcement. Oh, my God. You have to hurry. You have to tell me to hurry. They're on the way. With no local police force of their own, the New Mexico state police were dispatched to investigate.

I can't believe they're already dead. I can't believe I didn't come check earlier this morning. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. You know, and all because I didn't have money for a father's sake of it, I didn't want to go until I finished cooking and you love for him. Right.

Oh, my God. Cherise stayed on the phone for nearly 20 minutes before officers arrived. All the units are going fast as I kind of get there. I'm going to walk to the gate and wait to them. I'm like too nervous just sitting in my yard. My name is Paul Chavez. I was a member of the full-time crimes unit as an agent with the New Mexico State Police. The 200 homicide cases Officer Chavez worked in his career didn't prepare him for what he saw inside the Ortiz house.

In this case, the magnitude of the violence involved was the worst that I had seen in my career. The brutality was unspeakable. Sherry Ortiz had found. her parents and her adopted stepbrother dead within the residence. She reported that they had been shot in the head, and it occurred sometime earlier in the day. It turns out that although Cherie said she didn't see who committed these murders, she did hear something. There was reportedly gunshots heard the previous night in the area.

Now, hearing gunshots isn't entirely unusual in New Mexico, but Cherie and her parents' homes sit on a dead-end street in the rural New Mexico desert. It's a remote area with unpaved roads and no nearby streetlights. Their nearest neighbor is about 50 yards up the road. Inside the Ortiz home, Officer Chavez and his team assess the situation. Once I enter into the residence, there is a master bedroom immediately to the left as you walk in. And that is where the first victim identified as Dixie Ortiz is. in her bed and her nightgown under the blankets.

Dixie was found clutching her pillow. Her upper extremities and her head is completely saturated in blood where she had sustained apparent trauma. From that bedroom there's a drip trail which extends to the kitchen area where we have a second victim, a young man, identified as Stephen Ortiz. Stephen, her adopted brother, lay face down in a pool of blood, wearing only his underwear. Police noted that he took the brunt of the attack.

This scene was absolutely brutal. Stephen was 21 years old at the time of his murder, and based on his injuries, police believed that he tried to fight off the killer before ultimately losing that battle. The blood continued from that area, out the back door, with a third victim, Lloyd Ortiz, was found outside the back porch.

There was a significant amount of bloodshed. shed indicating that he did sustain some massive trauma. And there was also shrubbery from a nearby bush that was covering his head. That's two bloody bodies inside the home and one outside. And then something else stood out to law enforcement. There was a small marijuana grow on the property. It was fenced off and padlocked. They did have a medical marijuana card for Stephen for some of the medical conditions he has. But none of the 17 marijuana plants appeared to be disturbed. In fact, nothing seemed to be stolen or even out of place. On the kitchen table, in plain view, set Lloyd's wallet containing hundreds of dollars. This did not look like a robbery.

It looked like a case of anger, a lot of anger based on the brutality that occurred. It was a father's date to forget for residents in this tiny suburb of Santa Fe, New Mexico. Lloyd and Dixie Ortiz were pillars of the tight-knit El Rancho community. They were quick to lend a helping hand to others in need. So who was angry enough to harm them? And why? There's two golden rules that any man should live by. Rule one, never mess with a country girl.

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Listen to Love Trapped podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Sure E. Ortiz lived in an RV right next door to her parents' house. On the same property, both homes sat on a sprawling lot surrounded by hills in the dusty El Rancho, New Mexico Desert. On the evening of Father's Day, 2011, Shari walked into her parents' house and found her mother, father, and brother, savagely murdered. Like many others in the community, Pastor John Trujillo was in shock. I get a phone call. They call me, PJ. Pastor John, says, PJ. They found Stephen, Lloyd, and Dixie dead. I said, what are you talking about?

Was there a car accident? What happened? He says, no, there. It seems like they were murdered in their home. You need to get down here right away. And as I drive up, the community is already showing up. State police are there. And about that time, Cherie made her way out, and she was just in tears, in tears, in tears, and she was just, Pastor John, my family's dead, my family's death.

Somebody murdered my family, somebody killed my family. How do you handle that? What do you do? I mean, can you imagine the... the emotional and physical and just spiritual distraught that you would face, nobody can't prepare for that. I don't care. Nobody's prepared to walk into a scene like that, especially the daughter.

The family was grieving, and they were mourning. It's all rancho. This isn't supposed to happen in a community like this. People are speculating that could this have happened from the community, that somebody come here from somewhere else. Was it a family member? Was it a friend? Was it a robbery that went wrong?

You know, why, why, why? It was like, okay, we need some answers. Since El Rancho didn't have a police force of their own, the New Mexico State Police handled the investigation. By morning, the police still didn't know much. We're still unsure as to what happened out there. The guys are still working it, working very hard to determine what exactly happened,

but at this point we're still doing it. How in the world could something like this happen? You know, one person dead, okay? But when there's three, it raises a lot, a lot of questions. Police believe that three victims were shot to death inside their home, but nothing appeared to be missing. Investigators wondered if it was a murder or a murder suicide. Officer Paul Chavez was one of the first responders. My role primarily is to process and document the crime scene and try and make sense of what occurred there.

But the severity of the crime scene limited what he was able to do. You can't disturb the body much. And with the amount of bloodshed that was present, we weren't able to assess the wounds as well as we would like to have been able to. So originally, the police believed all three victims were shot to death. But the results of the autopsies for each victim revealed something far more personal. These were in fact not gunshot wounds. There were actually lacerations that were penetrating with a blunt object.

Clearly, something was missing. When the police returned to the scene of the crime, they found a five-pound pickaxe lying on the ground just over the fence of the adjacent property. And the pickaxe contained bloodstains. What the pickax did provide us was DNA from all three victims. So we unequivocally had our murder weapon. However, we were unable to forensically link a suspect to the pickax. So what does that mean? A murder weapon with DNA of the victims, but nothing to indicate a suspect?

It could mean a number of things that maybe they were wearing gloves or they cover their hands in some way or shape or form. And just sometimes the lab just can't find it. It's not a 100% certainty that they're going to be able to find DNA when something is touched. There's a chance that we will, but it doesn't always work out that way. So the one thing about the Ortiz murder was really the pressure on the police. Reporter Alex Tomlin covered the story for a local TV station. There was an incredible amount of pressure from that small-knit community, but also the surrounding communities. And so there was a lot of pressure on them to get who did it, make it a clean investigation, and let's get this person behind bars.

And I'm sure at times that pressure was overwhelming. The people of El Rancho couldn't shake the fear that they could be next. Nobody wants to think that they're going to go to sleep, and somebody who's pickaxed a couple and their son to death is going to come into their home next. They even refused to talk to TV reporters, not because they felt pestered, but they were fearful of their own safety. And that's the other terrifying thing. Think about the strength it takes to push that pickax back multiple times and pickax someone to death. That is cold-blooded. That is calculated.

That is incredibly scary for a community. Because that person is dangerous. You know, when you can't easily tie up a case like this, When you can't say, oh, it's, you know, a scorned lover, or it's, you know, a drug deal gone wrong or different things like that, then it becomes a, well, am I next? You want to find who did this because you don't want the community looking at you and saying, what are you doing? Why aren't you protecting us? Why don't you have the answers? With no suspects, a weapon and murder scene free of any DNA, investigators started to look at the person who first discovered the bodies. That person was Shuri Ortiz.

When something this horrific happens, the community wants answers, and they want them quickly, right? So you want to be able to tie a nice bow on this thing and be done with it. And Cherie and her husband seemed like that nice bow. They lived on the property. You could come up with a motive. The police wondered if Sheree and her husband, Jesse, knew more than they were saying, especially after they listened back to Sheree's original 911 call. She's very frantic in that 911 call, as you can hear.

They're dead. Get our gunshot one. They're dead, dead, dead, dead. She made some comments on that 911 call about, you know, they must have been shot because of how they looked. I just walked in their house, and everybody shot in the fucking head. My brother, my dad, and my mom's still dead. It wasn't later until the office of the medical investigator determined

that actually they had been pickaxed to death. And you have no idea who would have done that? No, no. Do you see anybody around? No, I didn't even know. Oh, my God, they were such good people. Oh, my God. Oh, my God.

Oh, my God. Oh, my God. We have to fucking hurry. Desperate and upset, Cherie spent 17 minutes on that 911 call. But as investigators listen back, they zeroed in on a comment, Sheree said. Now, listen closely to what Sheree told the operator. So Sheree said her parents had been dead since that morning. How did she know that?

And why didn't she call 911 till 7 that evening? I can't believe I didn't come check earlier this morning. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. You know, and all because I didn't have money for a father's sake of it, I didn't want to go until I finished cooking and she loved up for him.

They 100% thought she was a main suspect. I can't believe this is. There's two golden rules that any man should live by. Rule one, never mess with a country girl. You play stupid games, you get stupid prizes. And rule two, never mess with her friends either. We always say that trust your girlfriends. I'm Anna Sinfield, and in this new season of The Girlfriends,

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And I was like, and dad, I think I want to really give this a shot. I don't know what that means, but I just know the groundlings. I'm working my way up through, and I know it's a place that come look for up and coming talent. He said, if it was based solely on talent, I wouldn't worry about you, which is really sweet. Yeah. He goes, but there's so much luck involved. And he's like, just give it a shot. He goes, but if you ever reach a point where you're banging your head against the

wall and it doesn't feel fun anymore, it's okay to quit. If you saw it written down, it would not be an inspiration. It would not be on a calendar of, you know, the cat, just hang in there. Yeah, it would not be. Right. It wouldn't be that. There's a lot of luck. Yeah. Listen to Thanks, Dad, on the IHeart Radio app, Apple podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. In 2023, former bachelor star Clayton Eckerd found himself at the center of a paternity scandal. The family court hearings that followed revealed glaring inconsistencies in her story. This began a years-long court battle to prove the truth. You doctored this particular test twice in so much, correct?

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This isn't over until justice has served in Arizona. Listen to Love Trapped podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. When Lloyd, Dixie, and Stephen Ortiz were brutally murdered in their El Rancho home, their daughter, Sheree, and her husband, Jessie, appeared to investigators to be the only people with motive and the access to execute such a violent crime. For months, Shari and Jesse felt the stairs and heard the whispers. Their pastor, John Trujillo, tried to be the voice of reason. I think when you have to go through that, like Jesse and Sheree did,

I think it was just a reassurance that said, listen, you know, you need to do this. You need to go through this. Just cooperate with the state police, investigators, whatever you need to do, because it's just a process of elimination. They're looking for answers just as much as everybody else's. And they need a starting point somewhere. Just go through the process, answer the questions, be honest, be truthful. and let them eliminate you, and then they can move forward from there.

So there were a number of red flags that required us to investigate Sherry and Jesse to the fullest. State police agent Paul Chavez took the difficult line of questioning a mourning, Cherie. Could family gain from the death of the victim? Sure, they can if there's insurance policies in place, or is there property in place? Is there something to be gained? That's definitely something that was going to be looked at. Investigators asked about Cherie's credit card debt and the fact that she didn't pay her car loans or even the rent on her RV. And then there was this.

Sheree also told investigators that she had removed $80,000 in cash from her parents' home. But she didn't tell this to police until three days after the murders. Jesse and Sherry involvement couldn't be rolled out. Jesse and Sheree told detectives that they were at a local casino on the night of the murders. But... There was some conflicting statements between Shari and Jesse. The triple murder that rocked the close-knit village of El Rancho turned friends into enemies, families, into suspects. At the time, there was a lot of speculation about her and her husband and whether or not they had been involved in this crime.

Alex Tomlin worked as a reporter for a local TV station. The case was a little bit cold at this time, and we got a call saying she's willing to talk to you. Shari was on the defensive and wanting to publicly clear her name. So she scheduled an interview with Alex. Shari offered to show me the home where her parents had lived and had been murdered. Alex met Shari at her home and interviewed her just steps away from where Lloyd, Dixie, and Stephen were murdered. I remember distinctly being in the kitchen and we were talking about her brother, Stephen. And, you know, when the autopsy came out, he had held about a dozen or so blows, I think, about maybe 17 blows.

And I remember her talking to me about how he was such a big guy. He was kind of a teddy bear, but he was such a big guy. And it's such a weird sensation. We were standing in someone's kitchen and you're seeing marks on the floor and you know their body had been there. And, you know, she cried a lot during that interview, understandably. but really thinking about this young man coming out who didn't really have the cognitive ability to understand what was happening,

you know, very much still a child kind of in a man's body. And to have that many blows to him, my only thought in that moment was he must have been trying to protect his parents. He must have been really scared. He must have really fought back. And that was just so sad. It was so sad to think about

those final moments and what that must have been like for him, either knowing that he was dying or knowing that something had happened to his parents. It was just really traumatic, standing there and knowing this is where he died, and he died in such a violent way. With the cameras rolling, Alex asked Cherie about the investigation. I believe they're going through it with tunnel vision, just specifically focusing on us instead of the real people or per. I know it had to be people.

How could one person do that? So it left this very weird sensation in the community where some people were still speculating, other people really believe them, why would they do this? Sheree said her parents had life insurance, but she could not collect that money since she and her husband were considered suspects. And without that money,

Sheree said they couldn't pay their bills and worried their homes would be foreclosed. So it was really this sense from her of trying to advocate for her, herself, but advocate for her parents and her brother to say, I need to know who killed them. And at the same time, I need people to know it wasn't me. And so that was really what the conversation centered around. We could lose everything my dad worked so hard for.

I actually saw, like, marks on the floor and different things like that where this had happened. It was a really horrific experience. Something has to give. I really do have hope. I know this is going to get stopped. With tears in her eyes, Shri then looked into the camera. to try to clear her name and her husband, Jesse's as well. We had nothing to do with it.

My God, that was my mom and my dad and my little brother. It was no secret that the two were being looked at in the tribal murder. But were they that desperate for money that they would murder their own family? Paul Chavez investigated. If you don't investigate Jesse and Cherie to the fullest, you make a very easy argument for a defense attorney to create a daughter jury's mind. And that's exactly what have happened if we had not followed up on all of the red flags that came up during the course of the investigation. But as the investigation dragged on,

Shari shifted the blame back on the state police. She claimed that they botched the investigation and said casino security guards or even children could have done a better job. Against the advice of law enforcement, Shari even set up a PO box where people could anonymously submit information about who might be responsible. A year after the murders, the police promised a press conference to share some breaking news on the case. But that press conference

never happened. There was a lot of leads that came in that were followed up on, but none of them panned out. A billboard even went up along a local highway with a picture of Lloyd, Dixie, and Stephen that offered a $1,000

reward for information. But still, there were no arrests. That was the hardest part of this case for me was knowing that we have not been able to bring justice for this family. And it wasn't just Cherie who was pressuring the New Mexico State Police. Here's TV reporter Alex Tomlin. There was an incredible amount of pressure from that small-knit community, but also the surrounding communities and pretty much all of the state saying you've got to find who did this. You could not take a family who more people said nice things about and have a more awful thing happen to them. I mean, they are bludgeon to death with a

pickax. Publicly, the police didn't reveal much about other potential suspects, but behind the scenes, it was a different story. Aside from Cherie and her husband, Jessie, investigators interviewed numerous people. Then, 16 months after the murders, a local 23-year-old woman named Ashley Roybal got arrested. While she's in custody, she tells the police something astonishing. Is it okay to call you, Ashley? All right. I understand that you know some details. I don't know who did it. Ashley tells detectives that she knows who killed Lloyd, Dixie, and Stephen Ortiz. It isn't until Ashley Roybal gets in trouble that all of a sudden she's willing to tell police what happened. I'll just let you go ahead and tell me the story. It was almost like the answer

everyone had been waiting for it. Ashley Roybal kept quiet for 16 months. During that time, Sheree juggled losing her mom, dad, and brother, while being looked at by everyone as a suspect. All while, she couldn't collect their life insurance money and was scared she'd lose everything. But now, 16 months later, Ashley was finally ready to talk? Well, this was the turning point in the investigation.

But would anyone believe Ashley? There's things that kind of don't match up. There's shifting stories. We just want the truth. They say the wheels of justice move very slowly. And in this case, that would prove to be an understatement. And I remember thinking, oh, God, here we go again. This poor family has been through the ringer.

I would have never suspected that it was going to come down to this. Find out what Ashley says really happened that night on part two of the Father's Day murders. That's next time on Ames. American Homicide. You can contact the American Homicide team by emailing us at American Homicide Pod at gmail.com. That's American Homicide Pod at gmail.com. American Homicide is hosted and written by me Sloan Glass and is a production of Glass Podcasts, a division of Glass Entertainment Group in partnership with IHeart Podcasts.

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