Betrayal Weekly - Nancy | Betrayal Weekly

Episode Date: November 21, 2024

One Christmas, Nancy finds herself wondering if her 15-year marriage was all a charade.  If you would like to reach out to the Betrayal Team, email us at [e-mail] and follow us on Instagram at @betrayalpod See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an I-Heart podcast. Guaranteed Human. What's up, everyone? I'm Ago Vodam. My next guest, it's Will Ferrell. Woo, woo, woo, woo, woo. My dad gave me the best advice ever. He goes, just give it a shot.

But if you ever reach a point where you're banging your head against the wall and it doesn't feel fun anymore, it's okay to quit. If you saw it written down, it would not be an inspiration. It would not be on a calendar of, you know, the, cat, just hang in there. Yeah, it would not be. Right, it wouldn't be that. There's a lot of luck. Listen to Thanks, Dad, on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. In 2023, Bachelor star Clayton Eckerd was accused of fathering twins. But the pregnancy appeared to be a hoax. You doctored this particular test twice in so-ins, correct?

I doctored the test ones. It took an army of internet detectives to uncover a disturbing pattern. Two more men who'd been through the same thing. Greg Gillespie and Michael Ranchini. My mind was blown. I'm Stephanie Young. This is Love Trapped. Laura, Scottsdale Police. As the season continues, Laura Owens finally faces consequences.

Listen to Love Trapped podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. When a group of women discover they've all dated the same prolific con artist, they take matters into their own hands. I vowed. I will be his last target. He is not going to get away with this. He's going to get what he deserves. We always say that trust your girlfriends. Listen to the girlfriends. Trust me, babe. On the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, it's Nora Jones, and my podcast playing along is back with more of my favorite musicians. Check out my newest episode with Josh Grobin. You related to the Phantom at that point.

Yeah, I was definitely the Phantom in that. That's so funny. Share each day with me each night, each morning. Listen to Nora Jones is playing along on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This is a freaking lifetime movie. And I said, he deserves an Oscar. He really deserves an Oscar. I'm like, am I losing my mind?

I couldn't believe it was happening to me. I'm Andre Gunning, and this is betrayal, a show about the people we trust the most, and the deceptions that change everything. Nancy grew up in Boston in the 70s. She was the youngest of three girls. From birth, she was deemed a medical miracle. When I was born, they told my mother

that I'm going to die in three days because I have a pinhole my heart and I just did valve. She's like, I don't think so. She took me home. They told her, well, she's going to have to have open heart surgery by the time she's five. Didn't.

Well, she's going to have to have at least by 18 and she's going to die. Didn't. I'm 55. I've never had open hot surgery. Because of her heart condition, her mother kept a close eye on her. Her activities were restricted. She wasn't even allowed to go to gym class in school. Family and teachers babied her, mostly because she was so small.

I'm only 4-11, and when I was five years old, I think, I actually have a picture. I look like them, too. So everybody treated me like I was a baby all the time. As a kid, Nancy went to the cardiologist every week for her heart condition. She wasn't scared about it, but she knew her mom was. I even remember being over her friend's house. We'd be playing with their children and they'd be in the kitchen talking, drinking or whatever. And I would hear her crying and telling her friend, I'm so afraid that she's just going to die on me one day.

I never told her I heard that, never. She surpassed medical expectations and grew up to be healthy. But doctors told her she wouldn't be able to have kids of her own. The entire experience made Nancy and her mom really close. I didn't hang out with friends on a Saturday night. I hang out with my muffin because she's just my best friend. Everybody who loved her because she was just down to earth. Early on in her life, Nancy saw that her father was treated differently than her mother.

Back in the day, my mother and my father used to get pulled over a lot. And the cops would ask my mother, is he hurting you because she's white? Her father was black, and other kids teased Nancy about having interracial parents. It's like, what's wrong with your mother? There's nothing wrong with my mother. What are you talking about? My mother never paid attention to her. She said, if you pay attention, that's given them more energy to do what they're doing.

When Nancy was a teenager, she met a boy in her neighborhood named Devon. He was always trying to catch her eye. So I'm like, who is this person? And it was extremely handsome. One day, Devon brought her a present. So he heard that I love soft serve vanilla ice cream with colored timbies. From that day on, we were together. She and Devon became high school sweethearts.

We were a class couple. Of course we were. We were together all the time. It was like nothing could come between us. Their plan was to be together forever, and to this day Nancy still wishes they could have been, but tragedy derailed their future. I had heard that there was this extremely bad car accident, and I was in a school that sat up on a hill.

So you could see like the police cars and the ambulance and all that. That looks like a really bad accident up there. Everybody knew but me. Nobody wanted to tell me because they were afraid to tell me. He was in that car accident. He was a passenger in the collision, and they needed the jaws of life to pull him out of the car. When I found out, the person who told me said he was in a car accident and died.

I passed out, woke up in the nurse's office, and I'm like, I didn't just hear what... She said, the nurse said he wasn't a car seat. But he's not dead. He was in a coma for three days. I went every day, waited in the room, every day, waited in the room, talked to him. She was by his side when he woke up from the coma.

But when he woke up, it was a different person. You know, they asked things like, when's your birthday, what's your name, who's the present, things like that. He said his name was born. Robert something, and he was born in 1921. Devon was never the same. After that, he started smoking cigarettes. He never smoked.

He was, like, completely against it. He started drinking, swearing, and he was, like, mean sometimes. And I'm like, who is this person? I'm just like, okay, it's going to get better. It's going to get better. It never got better. After his traumatic brain injury, it wasn't, the same relationship. It was a lot for a 17-year-old to manage emotionally.

I felt like he died in that. To me, he died in that accident. Nancy made the tough decision to leave Devon and focus on herself. She started her own life in Boston, working in the office of a stock brokerage. By her early 20s, she was living on her own and fully supporting herself. At a beautiful condo, my house was fully furnished. Every day on her lunch break, Nancy chatted with a guy who worked outside her building. I worked in the financial district. It was always constructing going on at the Liberty Mutual building.

You know, the construction guys would do the cat calling when the girls walked by. But there was this one guy. He was just, when he's having lunch, I'm going to lunch. He's having his lunch. His name was Marvin. And Marvin became a fixture in her daily life. A friendly face. that she felt comfortable with.

And then he invited me to this club that he belonged to. It was like a dance club. It was like a Caribbean cultural club. He was Jamaican and Nancy's dad was from Cuba. So she was interested in Boston's Caribbean community. And I was like, all right. Me and my friends will come from me this weekend. I was like, all right.

That weekend, as promised, she and her friends stopped by. It was a lively scene with music. in dancing. So when I went into the club, I was expecting to see Marvin, you know, let him know that I did come for his invitation. And I never saw him that night at all. But she hardly noticed because she got distracted by a guy her age named Seth. He asked me to dance. I danced. To me, it's just the dance. I went to sit back down with my friends that continue me hanging out And he asked me to dance again. All right, I'm going to dance again.

Seth wasn't exactly her type. Well, being 4-11, it is off. Because everybody's going to be tall of it. Yeah, he's 6'3. Nancy and her friends decided to leave the party before it got too late. By that time and the night was ending and he comes running out the club. I'm like, oh. Seth wanted Nancy's number.

It was the 90s. So he had to go to his car to get pen and paper. Nancy found it endearing. She thought she was meeting up with a friend from work and instead ended up meeting this nice guy. It felt like fate. The next day, Seth called. I'll not forget it was a Sunday.

It was 2 o'clock in the afternoon and he called. He said he was working. was a butchie. He was like, oh, I want to come to see you after I got work. I said, all right. He was like, what do you live? I said, I live on a river street. He goes, really? I work on ministry. I'm like, wow. He worked just a few blocks down from her apartment, so they agreed to meet up for lunch. Seth recently moved to Boston from Jamaica. So he told me about, you know, living in Jamaica and that he was here on a visa.

She loved his Jamaican accent. especially the way he said her name. She also liked his easygoing personality. So she said yes to a second date. That's where he really impressed her. He cooked for me. He actually cooked it at his house and brought it to my house. That was like, so is Jamaican good?

He was a red snapper. Delicious, absolutely delicious. He was an excellent cook. She hadn't had a serious boyfriend since Devon in high school, and Seth reminded her a bit of him. He went out of his way to make her feel special, just like Devon had. I always tell people, you sweeten me off like me. I would say the biggest attraction was he was pleasant and calm and respectful.

He treated me like a lady. It was good to me and everything just seemed like it clicked. After they'd been dating for a few months, Seth took Nancy to meet his uncle. He was one of a few people in Seth's family who also immigrated to Boston. When Nancy walked through the door, she was shocked. And I was like, I know him. It was Marvin, Nancy's lunch break buddy. And I was like, you do the construction at Liberty Mutual, right?

He's like, yeah, yeah, I see you when you're going to lunch sometimes. Yeah. I said, wow, what a small world. Years later, Nancy would find out it wasn't much of a coincidence at all. That summer, she and Seth took their first vacation together. We went to New Hampshire, Tampa Beach. I went every year with friends or whenever. And I stated, Bayview Hotel every year, right across from the beach. and I know that's where I can see my child.

I know that for a fact. Nancy had lived her whole life believing she'd never have kids. She told Seth she couldn't get pregnant. When she found out that she was expecting, it felt like another medical miracle. Her first call was to her mom. She was like, yeah, you'll have to get married now. I said right now, right now.

It seemed old fact. but she trusted her mom to guide her in the right direction. We went to City Hall to register for the marriage certificate. I'm four months pregnant and the lady gives you the paper. It's split in the middle. Your information is here and his information is here. And I was like, oh, I have your birthday wrong. He's like, no, that's right.

I said, no, it's not. He's like, it is. Well, you can't be 20,000. you can't be 26 with this date of birth. He was 19. He lied about his age. He wasn't 26 like he said. He was 19.

Nancy was 23 at the time. Seth gave her a simple explanation. He had to make up that age for me to be interested. Because if he told me he was 19, I would have definitely not dated him. I said, you're right. So he lied to be able to date. I just stood there for a minute. The place that you get, the marriage certificate,

was at the bottom floor in the building where there is an echo because there is a big square with balconies. And I screamed out, what? And it echoes all in the place. All you saw was people coming over and looking down. Seth insisted that it wasn't a big deal. He didn't comprehend

that it was wrong. Like, telling a child that it's wrong to play in the dirt, and they look at you like, why not? Like that. You know, like, what's the problem? I'm like, you know what? What do I do at this point? I got a marriage certificate and more than a baby in the belly.

She decided she was going to let it go. She couldn't change his age, so she signed the papers. I think I was more in love with my baby than, any situation. I wanted her to have married mom and dad, and I wanted everything for her. So that was in my head.

A few weeks later, Nancy and Seth had a small wedding. The couple set their sights on parenthood. They got an adorable apartment on the top floor of a converted Boston mansion, complete with a castle-like turret. It was like a cute little quaint honeymoon beginning of life.

of her. Nancy wanted the sex of the baby to be a surprise. When she came out, there was a girl. He actually had a frown on his face. I said, I don't care if it was a frog. All that I went through, you better be happy. Seth's disappointment quickly faded. They both fell in love with their daughter.

I was just in the awe of her every day. She was a wonderful, wonderful little girl. Those first few years of their daughter's life were magical. He was an excellent father. He always took care of my daughter. Always, like he diapered her. Not two at the antlers. Dipered, like washing material diapers.

He made her baby food. He's the one that got up in the middle of the night. I didn't change poopy diapers because he did that, all of it. He was also excellent to Nancy. He did all the cooking. He did all the cleaning. I could tell him, oh, I'm so tired. I'm coming home from work.

He'd have a bath ready for me. He'd have a glass of wine for me. He always cooked dinner. And this wasn't a phase for him. Year after year, Seth showed up for their family and their marriage. She and Seth were a team. We worked together in the house without effort. not like, okay, you're going to do this and I'm going to, we just did it.

Like, even my mother used to say, you guys just do things effortlessly. Years into their marriage, they were still very much in love. The romance was still there, as far as I'm concerned, that didn't change at all. Even a neighbor commented on how physically close they seemed. She was like, every time I see you guys, you're so close. She was like, he's mowing and lawn and you're right next to him. him. I'm like picking weeds. But we were. We were always close together like that, always. At the time, Nancy worked at a bank. I had a computer to take home just in case it was

inclement weather. Nancy was the only one in their house who used the computer. And I had told them, this is just my work computer. Only I can go on. All right, everybody knew that. That was good. One day I went on the computer and a dating website popped up. It was called adult finder.com. I'll never forget it now. The username was there, but the password wasn't there. The username was Peter Parker.

There's two golden rules that any man should live by. Rule one, never mess with a country girl. You play stupid games, you get stupid prizes. And rule two, never. mess with her friends either. We always say that trust your girlfriends. I'm Anna Sinfield, and in this new season of the girlfriends, oh my God, this is the same man. A group of women discover they've all dated the same prolific con artist. I felt like I got hit by a truck. I thought, how could this happen to me? The cops didn't seem to care. So they take matters into their own hands.

I said, oh, hell no. I vowed. I will be his last target. He's going to get what he did. serves. Listen to the girlfriends. Trust me, babe. On the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. What's up, everyone? I'm Ego Vodam. My next guest, you know from Step Brothers Anchorman, Saturday Night Live and the Big

Money Players Network. It's Will Ferrell. Woo. Woo! My dad gave me the best advice ever. I went and had lunch with them one day, and I was like, and Dad, I think I want to really give this a shot. I don't know what that means, but I just know the groundlings. I'm working my way up through, and I know it's a place that come, look for up and coming talent. He said, if it was

based solely on talent, I wouldn't worry about you, which is really sweet. He goes, but there's so much luck involved. And he's like, just give it a shot. He goes, but if you ever reach a point where you're banging your head against the wall and it doesn't feel fun anymore, it's okay to quit. If you saw it written down, it would not be an inspiration. It would not be on a calendar of, you know, the cat, just hang in there. Yeah, it would not be. Right, it wouldn't be that. There's a lot of luck. Listen to Thanks, Dad, on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. In 2023, former bachelor star Clayton Eckerd found himself at the center of a paternity scandal. The family court hearings that followed revealed glaring inconsistencies

in her story. This began a years-long court battle to prove the truth. You doctored this particular test twice in so-ins, correct? I doctored the test once. It took an army of internet detectives to crack the case. I wanted people to be able to see what their tax dollars were being used for. Sunlight's the greatest disinfected. They would uncover a disturbing pattern. Two more men who'd been through the same thing. Greg Alespian and Michael Naranini. My mind was blown. I'm Stephanie Young. This is Love Trap. Laura, Scottsdale Police. season continues, Laura Owens finally faces consequences. Ladies and gentlemen, breaking news at

America Copa County as Laura Owens has been indicted on fraud charges. This isn't over until justice is served in Arizona. Listen to Love Trapped podcast on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, I'm Nora Jones, and I love playing music with people so much that my podcast called Playing Along is back. I sit down with musicians from all musical style, to play songs together in an intimate setting. Every episode's a little different, but it all involves music and conversation with some of my favorite musicians.

Over the past two seasons, I've had special guests like Dave Grohl, Lave, Mavis Staples, Remy Wolf, Jeff Tweedy, really too many to name. And this season, I've sat down with Alessia Cara, Sarah McLaughlin, John Legend, and more.

Check out my new episode with Josh Grobin. You related to the Phantom at that point. Yeah, I was definitely the fan. I'm not. That's so funny. Share each day with me each night, each morning. Say you love me. So come hang out with us in the studio and listen to Playing Along on the IHeart

Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Five years into their marriage, Nancy found a strange dating website on her work computer with a username she didn't recognize. I'm like Peter Parker, so I'm like, somebody got on my computer and put their name on me. I'm thinking Peter Park is a person. And I'm like, Seth, what is, did you see that? He was like, oh, those things are like pop-ups. And I'm like, oh, my God, let me call my company and let them know I did not go on that website.

And they took it out of face value. They didn't dig into it or nothing like that. And Nancy didn't either. Besides, her focus was on their daughter, who'd just. just started school. I went to every after-school program, and every play, and I was always by myself because he was working.

He'd taken a demanding job at the Metro Rail. He often worked overtime hours to make extra money. They were only in their 30s, but they were already planning for an early retirement. And we always talked about retiring in Jamaica. I have a house there. Up in the hills where his father had a house. It's beautiful up there.

The air and everything is different. We had a book and everything that we wrote in what we want, what we're going to do. A book where they wrote down their dreams for the future. In order to make those dreams happen, Nancy and Seth worked long hours. The only day they both had off was Sunday. That day was reserved for family. When she got older, like 10, 11, we would go to the mall. I would go one way and they would go another because they're going to the video game store.

and I'm in Macy's or Jaycey or something. And we had walkie-talkies. We had walkie-talkies. It was cute. They had a lot of fun with her. One Sunday, Nancy was looking forward to their family time. But Seth took an overtime shift. Well, I called him at work for something.

I can't remember what it was. And he said he was not here. I'm like, oh, did he go to the bathroom? You know, no, he's not. Today's his day off. He's not doing overtime today? No. So when he got home at midnight, when he normally gets home, he comes in the door.

I didn't mention to him that I knew he wasn't at work. I said, oh, you're home a little bit later than normal. I was like, I know there ain't no traffic at this time. Are you okay? He said he stayed late to talk to a coworker who was having a relationship problem. He was like, we were talking a long time because he was telling me that he cheated on his girlfriend and she found out, and that's why we was talking. He needed somebody to talk to him.

I was like, wow, a woman always finds out what you're doing a dog. Comes to light, don't forget. She knew she'd caught Seth in a lie. He hadn't been at work that day at all, and he certainly hadn't been comforting a coworker. So where was he? Instead of asking him directly, she decided to wait and see what else she can find out.

Plus, she wasn't ready to accuse him of any. anything. Once you put it out there that you don't trust them, your full relationship changes. It can really ruin even like a friendship. Say you and I, we're friends and my pocketbook is missing. I put it in the wrong place, but I'm like, did you take my pocketbook? Our friendship is over. It's over. You just have to be careful with stuff like that, you know? so I was kind of stuck until I could get something tangible. And soon, she would get something tangible. Or maybe metaphysical.

Nancy was in bed late one night, and out of their bedroom window, she could see Seth standing outside their house. And I saw a figure next to him. And I was half asleep and half awake, and I stood back to sleep. And I talked to him the next day, and I said, Were you okay last night?

Did anything different happen? He goes, yeah, I almost got into a car accident. We were the only two cars in a road. I almost got a car accident. And I was like, I figured something was wrong. He said, why? And I told him the story how I saw the figure. I said, that was your guardian angel.

That saved. After that, Seth was spooked. He knew she'd seen something. And Nancy knew that the figure next to him was no guardian angel. After that, you can tell him I was so nervous to do anything. She wasn't about to start spying on him, so she waited. I'm not checking your pockets and your cell phone records and finding out where you're going or following you, I'm not doing that.

I'm not checking a man like that. I don't have time for that. But she kept setting traps in their conversations just to see how he would react. And I told him I kept having a recurring dream of him being with him. somebody else. Christmas was coming up, and that year, Seth went all out. Every year, we always said we would buy each other just one gift and we splurge everything else on our daughter. And we did that for the longest time. Well, this Christmas, I got, it was an iPod at the time, the skinny one, and he got it engraved in back with a whole paragraph.

I love you. I love you to the day. I die. I'm like, oh, wow. I got the Nikes with the pedometer that was inside the shoe. I mean, he gave me so many and it was expensive gifts. And I'm like, why did you buy me so much? He was like, I just wanted to. I'm like, okay. As Christmas Day went on,

she noticed that Seth was acting strange. He was so quiet. Like, he's a quiet person anyway, but I mean, nothing. After we did the gifts, we were born in my mother's house in Boston. Not a word drive. there, not a word during dinner, not a word coming back home. And I was like, what's wrong with you? Are you sick? What's wrong? He was like, nothing. I was like, something's wrong. What's the

matter? Nothing. Okay. We went to bed. To a clock and God, if I said, I can't take it anymore. Something is wrong. What is wrong with you? He jumps out of the bed and gets on his knees like he's going to pray and closes his eyes and said, I got another woman pregnant. There it was, the confession she'd been waiting for, but it was much bigger than she could have imagined. The revelation was so overwhelming, she passed out. It was like somebody, like, boom, right in my chest. I finally came to, and I just said, well, I guess you just have to go. He said, just like that.

I said, yeah, just like that. He goes, you're not even going to try to fight for me. I said, how can I fight for something I already lost? I said, you can come get your stuff later. For now, you have to go, like, right now. Because if you don't, I really don't think you're worth going to jail for. So I really think you should leave. Right after he left, Nancy called her mom.

It was 3 a.m. But of course, her mom still picked up. She's like, I can't, I really can't believe this. Because you would have never known that. And she loved him to death. She said he deserves an Oscar. He really deserves an Oscar. The next morning, Seth was at their front door.

He needed to pack a bag. And that's when I asked, how long have you been seeing her? He admitted to four years. He goes, I have you. I know you knew. I was like, how? When you told me about that guardian angel, I knew you knew then. Nancy figured that the dating website she'd seen years earlier was connected to this affair.

And I said, and who the hell is Peter Parker? He said, it's Spider-Man like I was supposed to know. I was like, what? He said, that's his real name. I said, so what does I have to do with you? Because you're not a damn Spider-Man. He said, it's my favorite character. Okay, Spider-Man.

Seth had been weaving a web of lies for their entire marriage. And Nancy was just starting to unravel it. She told him to expect divorce papers on Monday. He was like, you're divorcing me? I said, dude, you're not getting it? I told you gotta go. Would you think I just want you going to spend a night somewhere and just come back home? No, done.

With that conversation, their marriage was over. They'd been together for 15 years. Nancy thought she'd heard the worst of it. But she'd soon realize his deception was far bigger than an affair. He eventually told me the whole story. And I said, why me? He said, as my uncle was saying, why not you? There's two golden rules that any man should live by.

Rule one, never mess with a country girl. You play stupid games, you get stupid prizes. And rule two, never. never mess with her friends either. We always say that, trust your girlfriends. I'm Anna Sinfield, and in this new season of the girlfriends... Oh my God, this is the same man. A group of women discover they've all dated the same prolific con artist.

I felt like I got hit by a truck. I thought, how could this happen to me? The cops didn't seem to care, so they take matters into their own hands. I said, oh, hell no. I vowed. I will be his last target. He's going to get what he. serves. Listen to the girlfriends.

Trust me, babe. On the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What's up, everyone? I'm Ago Wodam. My next guest, you know from Step Brothers,

Anchorman, Saturday Night Live, and the Big Money Players Network, it's Will Ferrell. My dad gave me the best advice ever. I went and had lunch with them one day,

and I was like, and Dad, I think I want to really give this a shot. I don't know what that means, but I just know the groundlings. I'm working my way up through, and I know it's a place that come look for up and coming talent. He said, if it was based solely on talent, I wouldn't worry about you, which is really sweet. He goes, but there's so much luck involved. And he's like, just give it a shot. He goes, but if you ever reach a point where you're banging your head against the wall and it doesn't feel fun anymore, it's okay to quit.

If you saw it written down, it would not be an inspiration. It would not be on a camera. It would not be on a calendar of, you know, the cat. Just hang in there. Yeah, it would not be. Right. It wouldn't be that. There's a lot of luck. Listen to Thanks, Dad, on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. In 2023, former bachelor star Clayton Eckerd found himself at the center of a paternity scandal. The family court hearings that followed revealed glaring inconsistencies in her story. This began a years-long court battle to prove the truth. You doctored this particular test twice in so much, correct? I doctored the test once. It took an army of internet detectives to crack the case. I wanted people to be able to see

what their tax dollars were being used for. Sunlight's the greatest disinfectant. They would uncover a disturbing pattern. Two more men who'd been through the same thing. Gregalespian and Michael Marincini. My mind was blown. I'm Stephanie Young. This is Love Trap. Laura, Scottsdale Police. As the season continues, Laura Owens finally faces consequences. Ladies and gentlemen, breaking news at Americopa County as Laura Owens has been indicted on fraud charges. This isn't over until justice is served in Arizona. Listen to Love Trapped podcast on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, I'm Nora Jones, and I love playing music with people so much that my podcast called Playing Along is back. I sit down with musicians from all musical style.

to play songs together in an intimate setting. Every episode's a little different, but it all involves music and conversation with some of my favorite musicians. Over the past two seasons, I've had special guests like Dave Grohl, Lave, Mavis Staples, Remy Wolf, Jeff Tweedy,

really too many to name. And this season, I've sat down with Alessia Cara, Sarah McLaughlin, John Legend, and more. Check out my new episode with Josh Grobin. You related to the Phantom at that point. Yeah, I was definitely the fan. That's so funny.

Share each day with me each night, each morning. Say you love me. So come hang out with us in the studio and listen to Playing Along on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Nancy's 15-year marriage was blown apart when her husband confessed to getting another woman pregnant. But that wasn't the whole story. The real story started before Seth and Nancy even met.

Here's what Seth confessed. He goes, well, I came to America with a visa. I was only supposed to stay for six months. I started a job and I decided I wanted to stay. And he said, Marvin told him that you have to get your green card. And to get that, he would have to get married. And I said, oh, okay. He goes, well, it was you.

I said, it was me like I was chosen. He said, yeah. So our relationship was set up from the beginning and I had no idea. The night Nancy first met Seth at the Caribbean Club, that wasn't fate. It was orchestrated. She'd been singled out by Seth's uncle. Uncle Marvin, you know the guy from work. And he invited Nancy there for a purpose.

His uncle had his eye on me and invited me to the club. When I came to club, he made sure his nephew was there, made sure his nephew danced with me. She felt lucky meeting Seth at the club. But it turns out it was all planned for one goal. He told me his uncle was like, she looks like she has money. He's the one that put us together for this crappy green collar.

When Nancy got pregnant, she knew Seth was still on his visa. He goes, I have to go back. And I'm like, oh, no, I need you having a baby. So I said, so we can't get married then because I didn't know. He goes, yeah, we can, but that changes everything. I just have to go and make it right at the immigration office with the certificate called a green card. She was having a baby and was scared to lose Seth. So back then, Nancy had jumped into action.

And I was like, okay, so what do we need to do? He's like, well, it's easier and faster if we have a lawyer. And I said, okay, so I spent $10,000 of my own money to get the lawyer. Nancy saw the green card as another piece of paperwork they needed to get married. She had no idea she was part of an elaborate scheme. I definitely feel like I was singled out. fortunately for them, it worked out and Seth got his green card. Marvin was the mastermind of the whole thing.

And to add insult to injury, Seth had another reason why he chose Nancy. He goes, well, you told me you couldn't have any children that fit into the plan, that I wouldn't have to have any connection with you. I said, wow, you guys are either. That is evil. This revelation made her feel as if her whole relationship was manufactured, that she had been used. I was just the pawn in their little game. Every day of their marriage, he welcomed her home with a glass of wine and a home-cooked meal.

Nobody had ever shown her love like this before. If Nancy was just a means to an end, why did Seth bother stand? with her for 15 years. Well, Nancy asked him that directly. And I said, okay, well, we were married for 15 years. So I don't understand. He said, well, I know I'm going to hell because I had to stay married to you a little bit longer because my girlfriend in Jamaica wanted to come here.

And for me to be able to bring her here, I had to show that I was economically fit to be able to bring her here. Nancy had assumed the affair was from Seth's online dalliances as Peter Parker. But it turns out, he'd been with the other woman for their entire marriage. He knew her in Jamaica. I don't know if it was since they were kids or all their life. I'm not sure, but he brought her here from Jamaica. Seth finally confessed his double life to Nancy because he was just in too deep. It turns out the pregnancy he told Nancy about wasn't the first one.

He had a whole other family. He told me that day because she was pregnant again. So there were four. She was pregnant with the fifth. At that point, he couldn't take it anymore, like do what he was doing, financially with me and our daughter, he said he had come to a point where it was just becoming too much. All those years, Seth claimed to be working over time, he was actually going over to his other

house, to his other children. It shattered Nancy's reality. I felt like I was living the life of the Truman Show, and I still feel that way. I don't know what was real. or not, I feel like, oh, to cry. Because I feel so stupid. Everything was fake. Who was I living with?

Are the walls real? Am I going to push them down? And we're in a television program? What is this? Their daughter was 14 at the time. And Nancy wanted to protect her from the reality of her father's dishonesty. She tried to maintain a sense of stability for her and her daughter. She moved to a new place.

while they figured out the divorce, divided their assets, and split up shared lives. I had moved to a smaller townhouse. I was going back and forth to the home that we owned together, Seth and I, because I had to figure out what I was bringing to my new home. They were waiting to put the house on the market until the divorce was final. In the meantime, clearing out the old house was a constant chore. One day I went during the day, and I went to open the door with my key, but someone on the other side of the door opened it for me.

Someone's in my house. Scared the living craps out of me. I'm like, who are you? He's like, who are you? I'm like, this is my house. Seth short-sold their house without telling Nancy. The person who'd opened the door? was the new owner.

I was only on the deed and not the mortgage, so I guess I didn't need to be there for the sale of the home. Since it was a short sale, there wasn't even a profit to divide in their divorce, even though she'd paid half the mortgage for a decade. It felt like a slap in the face. She couldn't move out on her own terms. But to make matters worse,

some of her most prized possessions were still sold with the house. and she would never see them again. My diaries and my ledgers that I've been writing in since I was 12, 13, up until that point, I had like a memory box that I had my daughter's baby shoes in it, it had hairbows of hers, some little things that like memory stuff, ornaments that met some, you know, babies first Christmas, things like that. All of that was gone. and it was just devastating.

After they separated, Seth wasted no time stepping into his new life. After all, he'd been building it for some time. He has his whole other new family to go to as if he didn't have to skip a beat while I'm scratching and scrounging to try to move and find out where I can live best for me and my daughter.

and it just didn't seem fair. Nancy was left to pick up the pieces. It all took an intense toll. I don't remember three years of that after the divorce. I was like in a fog. I don't know any other way to explain it. And I told my mother, I lost like two or three years of my life.

I didn't even know what happened in between that because I was just going. Her daughter got her through those difficult years. And she was always my priority. Always. You kind of feel ashamed because I started thinking to myself, how stupid could I be? Nancy is a survivor.

Even though I was considered ill with the twisted bowel, hot murmur, I was born a woman. I was born a warrior. It took years to recover emotionally and feel like herself again. And now, 15 years post-divorce, she's proud of how far she's come. And after time went on, I can talk about this without crying, without being upset. Like, he doesn't deserve my tears. That's not my fault.

I did survive. and I feel stronger now than I did before. The resilience in me, nobody can take that from me. We end all of our episodes with the same question. Why do you want to tell your story? It is my story, and I want to tell it. Maybe somebody's in it right now, and they're not thinking about it because this happens too much.

And it's somebody's life, you know, I have a lot. to give from that heartache that can turn into a good thing. On the next episode of betrayal. I said to him on those last few days, as I was holding his hand in the hospital, I was just like, man, you've got to go up there. You've got to talk to mom. You've got to find me answers. If you would like to reach out to the betrayal team or want to tell us your betrayal story,

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