Betrayal Weekly - Behind the Scenes of HULU’s Betrayal: Dirty Secrets | BONUS | Karoline's Story

Episode Date: August 11, 2026

Karoline Borega's unforgettable story from Betrayal Season 4 is now a docu-series on Hulu, Betrayal: Dirty Secrets. In this special bonus episode, Andrea Gunning revisits some of the season's most memorable moments, shares behind-the-scenes stories, and offers a preview of what you’ll see in the new show.  You can now stream Karoline's story on Hulu and Disney+.  If you would like to share your story, you can reach out to the Betrayal team by emailing us at [e-mail]. You can also find us on Instagram at @betrayalpod and @glasspodcasts. To access our newsletter and additional content and to connect with the Betrayal community, join our Substack at betrayal.substack.com.    See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an I-heart podcast, guaranteed human. Hi listeners, I'm Andrea Gunning, host of the Betrayal Weekly podcast, and I'm excited to share this riveting story with you. I'm also excited to tell you that you can now stream every episode of Betrayal seasons 1 through 5, as well as Betrayal Weekly, seasons 1 and 2, completely add-free. Plus, get exclusive one-week-early early access to all Betrayal Weekly season 3 episodes, with an I-hard True Crime Plus subscription, available only on Apple Podcasts. Plus, you'll get access to other chart-topping true crime shows you love,

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She immediately made it her own thing. You really know how to make me cry when you give me those old. So come hang out with us in the studio and listen to Playing Along on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey everyone, it's Andrea. I have some big news. Betrayal Season 4 with Caroline Berega is now a docu-series on Hulu. It's called Betrayal Dirty Secrets. And this is a betrayal bonus episode to share more about what you'll see in the new show. Caroline was living an idyllic life in Colorado with her police officer husband of more than 20 years. If you've heard the podcast, you know there are two kids revered their father, especially for serving the community. Until one day, a text from him changed everything.

I fucked up the worst I've ever fucked up in my life. I've ruined our lives. You're going to want to divorce me. We met Caroline after she, she discovered her husband was living a secret life. That life included multiple affairs that took place while he was on duty. When I went to Colorado Springs to meet Caroline, we toured her beautiful home. It was filled with reminders of her family. But something caught my eye. Many of the picture frames no longer held family photos. Instead, they displayed the stock images that come with the frames.

Caroline had done her best to remove pictures of her ex-husband from her home. When it came time to start production of the TV docu-series, it was something director John Hirsch was thinking about. We put such a premium on family archival on these shows because we think it's one of the key elements to really connecting the audience to the story and to the characters and really understanding how their lives were impacted. The day before the shoot was going to begin,

I was sitting in her living room and was chatting with Nicole, her daughter, and Caroline excused herself and walked upstairs. And when she came back down the stairs, I saw that she was holding a large kind of like legal box. She drops the box down on like the ottoman in front of the sofa that I was sitting on. And I see photo albums. She had photo albums that she had buried in a closet that she had, I think to some extent forgotten she had or wanted to forget that she had, and it included her wedding photo album, photos of the kids when they were born, a lot more than I ever expected to see. It was a treasure trove of photos and memories, and it really helps you understand the love

story that started when Caroline and Joel first met. I had a real reaction when I saw the contents of this box, especially seeing the wedding photos. Because what I saw was, you know, a young couple that was so obviously in love with each other and seeing the smiles on their faces that day. It really did look like something out of a modern day fairy tale. And it drove things home for me because seeing those photos juxtaposed to the emotion that we hear from Caroline and her family in the podcast, you really kind of can see and feel to some extent the impact that this experience has had on her and her family. One of the most shocking moments in our season with Caroline was hearing Joel Kern's meetings

with internal affairs. There were multiple instances when he lied about having sex during work hours in his police vehicle. It's a very serious allegation. This person's identified that they had sex with you, Joel Kern, in your department car. So we're asking again, real quick, understanding the detectives are out there to talk about right now. Have you been physically intimate with this individual? Yes. Did that occur inside a department vehicle? No.

Those recordings were some of the most unforgettable moments in the podcast. In the new series, you get another layer of the story, seeing Joel's body language on video and how he denies, deflects, and shifts whenever he's confronted with the truth. One heartbreaking moment you may recall in character, Caroline's story as when she received a message that Joel was having sex with a tenant in the rental property Caroline owned. Joel accompanied Caroline to the rental to confront the woman accused of sleeping with Joel. Not only did he deny it, he doubled down at the meeting.

This psychopath has got me on the road to divorce. My kids want me out of the house. Eventually, the real story came to light. After putting on a show for Caroline and silencing the tenant, He later admitted it was true. In betrayal, dirty secrets, Caroline took me there for the first time. Revisiting the house and sitting next to Caroline, you can see the grief is still there, right beneath the surface. In the new Hulu series, you'll meet the people you've heard on the podcast, like the therapist who counseled Caroline, former CSPD officers who worked with Joel, and even one

of the women from CSPD, Joel had an affair with. Everybody seems to know Carolyn and know what she'd like. Everybody says that she's kind of a problem. From what I understand is that she was very controlling and not nice. She'd been a voice on the other end of the phone. On Betrayal Dirty Secrets, she offers more details on just how far Joel's deception went. For a moment, I want to go back to where Joel's double life first began to unravel. It's something we heard early on in the podcast.

A man Joel didn't know knocked on his door when Caroline wasn't home. Hey, how are you doing? Oh, can you manage your wife home by chance? Why is that? You know who I am? No. Here, that's my wife out there, the one that you fucking your cruiser? What are you talking about?

I'm not here to harass you. What I'm saying, Joel? Yeah, sometimes not you. Okay, my wife? Okay, my wife is there. Dave, I just want to know if you know her. I have no idea who you're talking about. Caroline eventually learned that Joel had met this man's wife on FetLife,

a kink and fetish networking site. Joel had sex with this woman in his police car, in a public park, in the middle of the day. The man and his wife reported it all to the Colorado Springs Police Department. That's when Joel's lies were exposed. Did you arrange to meet her at my Royal Park? Yes. Then basically you had sex with her at Memorial Park.

Yes. When we filmed the Hulu series, I visited Memorial Park with Caroline. It's a breathtaking sight with a lake, swimming, ice skating, and playgrounds all against the backdrop of Pike's Peak. A beloved place in Caroline's hometown that will forever be tainted. During production, we spent more time with therapist Kristen Snowden. Her work helped Caroline begin healing. And you'll hear her share more about betrayed partner recovery. You're betrayed by the person you've trusted the most.

And then naturally being social beings, we go out and seek support and validation and connection with our loved ones. But they just cannot wrap their brain around unless they've had someone lie to their face about just the most basic things. We don't know each other, but you know my story. already. You're going to change people's lives. You're touching upon like so many things that so many betrayed partners are struggling with. Thank God someone like you has the courage to be sharing these stories. John McFarlane showed courage too. He's one of the few former colleagues of Joel

Kern at CSPD that talked on the record. At first, Joel Kern was somebody that I could look up to and trust and he was very skilled in that arena of investigation. And then And as time went on, things really, really started to change. He's sacrificing his duty. He's using his position for personal gain. I'm excited for you to meet John in the new series. He does a great job at explaining the severity of Joel's behavior from a law enforcement perspective. And finally, there was a special night at the end of recording the podcast.

We were invited to join Caroline and her closest friends for their Sunday night supper club. Caroline made a delicious Mexican feast, and we shared a few bottles of wine. So, you know, I ate every night with them. And then on Sundays we would get together for dinner, but then it was, this has been so fun, we should do this every Sunday. Oh, well, we won't just do it at, like, one house every Sunday. Like, every Sunday we'll rotate houses. My first time at Supper Club, I was a guest. I was warmly welcomed, but I felt a little like a fly on the wall.

observing everyone. For the new docu series, I returned to supper club, and this time I felt like I was a member. I know, and then I sat next to Caroline, and I was like, oh, how long have we been married? Oh, we're not married. That's my best friend's husband. I was like, yes, yes, this is so good.

Nice job, Scott. Yeah, so then the next day I was like, oh, we're going to this day. I don't care if it's weird, we're going, we're going. I asked our director, John Hirsch, why betrayal fans should watch the new docu-series? They are hard stories to tell, but it's all the more motivation to tell the story the right way

and make sure that, like, you know, we see the good that comes out of this. And I think the podcast in our show do a really great job of seeing the perseverance within the family and seeing where Caroline is now in the headspace that she's in moving forward. It's pretty awesome. You've heard the voices, now see the faces,

the places and the moments that stayed with us long after the recording stopped. Watch Betrayal Dirty Secrets streaming now on Hulu. Hi listeners, I'm Andrea Gunning, host of the Betrayal Weekly podcast, and I'm excited to share this riveting story with you. I'm also excited to tell you that you can now stream every episode of Betrayal seasons 1 through 5, as well as Betrayal Weekly, seasons 1 and 2, completely add-free. Plus, get exclusive one week early access to all Betrayal Weekly Season 3 episodes with an IHard True Crime Plus subscription available only on Apple Podcasts. Plus, you'll get access to other chart-topping true crime shows you love.

Like creating a con, the story of BitCon, paper ghosts, Piketon Massacre, Murder Homes, Unrestorable, The Godmother, The Girlfriends, and more. So don't wait. Head to Apple Podcasts, search for iHeart True Crime Plus, and subscribe today. I'm Munga Shatikula and I'm back with a new season of my podcast, Skyline Drive. This time I talked to scientists, biopunks, curmudgens, blues owners, super seniors, and Goa's top cryotherapy lab to try to understand this obsession with living forever and what it means for all of us. And I get into a bit of trouble along the way.

I'd say probably start bone smashing. That doesn't work. To make it look more defined. They say it works. I don't know. Listen to Skyline Drive How to Live Forever on the Iheart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. New school year, same beautiful mess. Good Mom's Bad Choices is back to talk back to school realness.

The guilt, the giggles, and the choices no other show is brave enough to admit. Mom Life is calling, and I have my last motherfucking volleyball tournament of Irie's club team volleyball. And I can't wait for the thing to be over. because I don't like participating and having to drive far distances. Shout out to the moms and my mom who made it happen. Listen to Good Mom's Bad Choices from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. I am talking to a felon right now with face tattoos,

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