Blue By Ninety - 2020 NFL Draft Recap

Episode Date: April 29, 2020

We go over the 10 Wolverine NFL Draft picks as well as the 2 Undrafted Free Agents, LaVert Hill & Sean McKeon.

Welcome to Blue by 90 episode 22. On today's episode, we talk about the draft. NFL draft was this week, so of course we have to go through all the players that were drafted. We talk about some of the players that weren't drafted. Then we jump into our on-field performance, those players and their impact at Michigan. Then we talk about the replacements for those players who were drafted. And finally, we end on our new segment, Zero to 90. This is the University of Michigan. Touchdown, Michigan! That's the mix of Michigan ball! And it goes to the wind!

The three-pointer by Jordan Pruitt! Down the sideline! Pruitt was jumped! Touchdown, Wolverines! Welcome to Blue by 90, your Michigan Wolverines podcast. We are four dudes talking about Maize and Blue. I'm Kalen, joined by Nate, Jack, and Ro. Guys, how you doing out there?

Good. Not too bad. Awesome. Everybody looks healthy. Good to see. Ro's got the sunburn right now. Came straight off the golf course today, so I'm as red as a lobster but um first time seeing

sunshine here up in uh in michigan so i'll take the redness uh for a little color in my face it's a badge of honor exactly how'd you play out there decent uh you know the front nine went well and shot a 46 on the front nine i'm a very very average golfer bogey plus golfer and uh fell apart on the back nine a little bit you know you go into the clubhouse you grab a couple more beers and then you know things get a little dicey usually towards the end good to hear all right guys uh let's just jump right into it right nfl draft was this week great for us right i mean we had what a total of 11 players drafted 10 10 players drafted that's awesome it was we it was lsu was number one with 14 players, and we were tied with Ohio State. I don't remember the last time we were that close to them in anything, but we tied with Ohio State with 10, yeah.

Well, that's awesome. Let's go over, I guess, let's start with just all the guys who were drafted, right? I mean, number one from our team off the board, Cesar Ruiz, right? First round, I think he was he was what the 24th pick um went to the new orleans saints and he was looking pretty emotional on tv i mean i was i mean i was just glad to see caesar because i just love caesar jack what do you think about that well i don't know if he heard um that jamis winston was going to be the backup quarterback at the Saints, so maybe that's why he was crying.

But I'm happy for him, man. Dude's a fucking clown, and he makes me laugh, and he's a great offensive lineman, so I'm happy. I'm happy everybody got to see that video of him before he went to the squat rack with him dancing. I'm happy that now everybody in the nation has seen that. Yeah, I mean, he's a great kid, and he deserved it. He's a guy, though, that I think two years ago none of us, you know,

he was a good prospect. None of us would have thought that he'd become a first-round draft pick. You know, he performed very well for us, but definitely a guy who has, you know, developed well in his years in college. So very happy for him. Yeah. Awesome. That guy deserves it. Moving on into round number two, Josh Uche, right? He was talked up a lot before the draft. His draft stock was just kind of going up and up and up. So awesome to see him get picked in the second round by New England Patriots.

So he'll be joining Chase Winovich, right? So that'll be a great defensive line. Ro, what do you think about Uche? Yeah, I think that, you know, all of the talk on Michigan, especially the coaching staff, got some flack when Uche got picked. And it wasn't because of him. It was because how they didn't use him they kept saying you know he was only used on 40 percent I think of snaps last year and so they

were saying how did you how did you possibly take this guy off the field so there is there is some deserved flack that Michigan coaching staff can take and Don Brown and everyone else. But he's also – he's a pass-rushing guy, and he was in on 100% nearly of pass-rushing downs. And then when we – you know, when teams got up on us and they started running the ball, then we had to have the big boys come in. You know, he wasn't the guy that's a beefy guy on the edge that can really, you know, set the edge. He's a guy who's going to make a move and be faster than that tackle.

So I don't know if all that flack was deserved to the Michigan coaching staff, but you know what? Hey, he is a kid that has worked his ass off for the past three years and just killed it for Michigan. So he's well- deserved uh a second round and it was crazy to see how quickly and high he got up on the uh on the draft boards come saturday right yeah i mean uh caesar ruiz and josh uche those guys were picked top two rounds um but from there uh most of our guys were picked kind of rounds forward and down.

So in the fourth round, we had Ben Bredesen to the Baltimore Ravens. And the Ravens were just kind of having a really good draft, right? Nate, I know you were talking about this in our chat. Yeah, I thought the J.K. Dobbins pick that they made was just really smart because I think J.K. Dobbins, he's a stud, and he's going to work really well with Lamar Jackson. So I think Bredesen going there is great. I mean, fourth-round pick, I feel like he's the type of guy who in two years could be a starting lineman there.

So it's cool to see also him go play for Jim's brother, John john so it's like it's it's really cool and you know what's really weird about the ravens too it's like they got a lot of ohio state people they got three ohio state guys so it's like weird to me i'm like is jim telling john like how envious he is of these players and then he's drafting them it's i don't know it's weird yeah i saw an interview go ahead go ahead i was just gonna say he watches them kick the shit out of michigan every year so he knows how good they are yeah yeah i saw an interview with jk dobbins where they're asking i'm like well you hate michigan but you're going to play for their coach's brother what do you think about that and he was like oh well

i'll just you know give john some flack here and there that i beat his brother all three times i played him oh thanks low-hanging fruit there yeah yeah okay uh moving into the fifth round kalik hudson went to the redskins um it's kind of an interesting pick i i always felt like kalik was maybe kind of hanging out in space a lot, but he always had a lot of tackles at the end of the day. So he was a pretty productive player. But from there, also in the fifth round, Michael Dana to the Chiefs. Any thoughts on Michael Dana?

I mean, I thought he was just kind of a solid, you know, second-tier plug-and-play kind of player solid uh you know second tier plug and play kind of player in on the line there but any thoughts on him I mean honestly both of those picks kind of shocked me yeah I didn't think uh Kalik or Mike Dana I think they were kind of fringe guys on at least for me as far as like if I thought they were gonna get drafted or not um so they both kind of shocked me I mean one thing with like especially with mike daniel like you said kind of more like just seemed to be an average player for me um so i didn't expect him to get drafted at all uh but i remember we went to the minnesota game where kalik had like eight tackles for loss so we kind of were able to see you know what he could do

um where he's got that potential to be a very very good or a very solid linebacker in the NFL. But either way, both of those kind of shocked me, but happy for both of them to be able to live their dream. Yeah, I always thought of Kalik as a little bit more of like a strong safety. You know, he just has that body type. He doesn't, he's not like, you know, 240 or something. He's like, I don't know, 215 is where I see him. Ro, you look like you got 240 or something he's like i don't know 215 is where i see him bro you look like you got something to say i well i just worry about his size at the next level i think you know he

he has been undersized even at the college level and he made up for it with um quickness and speed and he laid the hit stick all the time so you, you know, whether it wasn't, you know, just he wasn't going to manhandle anybody, but he laid the wood a lot, and that helped, and it was an intimidating factor. But I do think as far as he's kind of a tweener, you know, as far as a linebacker. He's not ultimate, you know, ultra fast, but he's not ultra big either. So you end up kind of, like you said, in space where he can't play down on the line a whole lot. Or is he going to be able to, you know, I'm thinking about him dropping back to cover a slot guy in the NFL. That might not end up too well for him.

So I am a little bit worried about Kalik as much as I loved him at Michigan. He had all the energy in the world, but I can see him maybe just being a special teams guy at the next level. Yeah, I think that's a good analysis there. And then moving on into the sixth round, big Michael Onwenu, also to the Pats, man. The Pats are just stacking up these Michigan players. I love it. Also, sixth round, DPJ finally went. I know we've all had a lot of thoughts on DPJ, you know, leaving Michigan early to go to the draft. Nate, what do you think about DPJ's draft place here, sixth round?

Well, I think it was interesting to see, like, so it's like you got, he's going to the Browns, right, and then Detroit got a couple Ohio State guys. So it's like this weird state flip-flop. You see, you've seen it where it's like Michigan and Ohio State players are now going to be like on the same team. So I thought that was interesting, but I guess with DPJ, I don't know. I'm still kind of disappointed he didn't stay another year. I think he's got a lot of talent. There was a lot of wide receivers that were taken prior to him, wide receivers who I've never even heard of before. And so I think it was kind of disappointing to me that he was taken in the sixth round. I think he could have stayed another year, and I think he could have increased his draft stock.

So that's just my take on it. Yeah, agreed. Yeah, I mean, I think that DPJ is a guy that at the beginning of this past year, he was already gone. You know, in his mind, he went into this season saying, I'm an NFL guy. He thought he was going to be a first round guy from the beginning of the season and sat out some games because of it. You know, from I'm going to sound like Adam Schefter right now. But from my sources inside Schembechler Hall, he was just soft. All those receivers were super soft.

And specifically Tariq and DPJ. And they thought that they were everything and didn't have to practice and, and sat out with minor injuries. Um, the actual, the, the real word was that, um, you know, Rashawn Gary in, uh, 2018 had injury issues and ended up playing through them. And although he still got drafted high in the, in the, um, first round, I think the 12th pick, he could have been a top five pick if he would have been healthy all year and put up real stats. So the word inside Schembechler was that his mom was in the ear of DPJ and Tariq's parents saying, hey, make them sit out if they have anything going on,

you know, any tweaks or anything that's not worth it to play through it. They need to, you know, put up stats and's not worth it to play through it um they need to you know put up stats and be healthy for the nfl for the next level and so tarik took that to heart and dpj took that to heart and and dpj with his ankle half halfway through the year was you know he could have played if he wanted to but they were just charming soft and didn't want to be there they thought they were NFL guys already and they wanted the ball more than they were getting it and so you know what it's just frustrating to me when we see that from Michigan guys and Ohio State has stud receivers better than our guys who are playing through things and not acting like that.

And so that's honestly so frustrating to me as a Michigan fan when we have these guys. And I know DPJ is a five-star, but he didn't show anything to me that's saying, you're a five-star first-round draft pick, you know, at any point. You know, maybe a few spectacular plays, but, you know, outside of him scoring the touchdown to to beat msu at msu last year in 2018 what is he going to be remembered for at michigan you know so it's just frustrating me when these five-star guys come in think they're hot shit and then don't perform for us so seems to be a common theme going forward yeah i mean I mean, honestly, I agree with Rashawn Gary's mom.

If you are actually good in putting up numbers, sit out. Get your money. Get paid. But DPJ and Tariq weren't those guys, right? They had the potential to be. I'm somebody who will 100% say I believed in Tariq, thought he was going to be the number one guy. We all know DPJ had the talent, but they never put up the numbers. So for guys like that, they should absolutely not be trying to sit out because they need to play games to actually get their numbers up because they don't have numbers to even put up.

And if you're sitting out when you're already not putting up numbers, you're screwing yourself, and that's why you get drafted in the sixth round yeah i mean i was reading an article uh where a cleveland reporter actually asked dpj about his lack of production and he says that he didn't think that that was a fair analysis of his career at michigan which i think is an interesting narrative to try to spin it right because he didn't have the greatest qbs thrown to him but i also think that great players play beyond their situation right great players really take that next step where you go like wow right antonio brown at central michigan like a great example i don't think he had a five-star quarterback throw into him there. Right, exactly. Right. And I think that – so word is also why DPJ went so far –

slid so far down in the draft is that in his draft interviews with the NFL teams, he trashed Harbaugh in the offense at Michigan. So he trashed them two NFL coaches. Not a very smart thing to do when his brother is a coach in the offense at Michigan. So he trashed them two NFL coaches. Not a very smart thing to do when his brother is a coach in the NFL and Harbaugh is connected to nearly every coach in there, former NFL coach himself. So I don't know if he's just – I think he just has a sour attitude and it's hurting him or it's showing to a lot of these NFL teams.

Yeah, that's unfortunate but i would also care also mention something yeah the like i i would say like guys like tarik and dpj like i i don't know anything about like their injuries at all you know we knew that tarik was had a really bad injury to start his career off at michigan but you know despite that i think just the amount of depth that was in that position this year, it was pretty clear that they weren't going to be even taken in the second round. Right. So there's it just seemed like no point. I mean, you had guys like C.D. Lamb, Justin Jefferson, Ruggs, Jerry Judy, Jerry Judy.

Man, there's so many guys but but kj hill ohio state receiver he got drafted hella late and i think he was a stud yeah i mean it was a super deep draft for sure kj hamler i mean it's just so many guys i just it just didn't it didn't make sense to me but whatever well and you think about i mean okay let's let's talk about kj hill versus dpj then kj hill tore us up every single game he played against michigan and had a huge career and he goes you know even later than dpj i believe right yeah so so then we that means you know what that says to me is how is Ohio state using a seventh round pick and making him into an all-star, but we have a five-star in DPJ and a six round pick and he, you know, doesn't put up the stats, you know,

that is where I'm like, all right, maybe it does fall on the coaching staff at some point and that's something too where dpj you may i mean you may be right and trashing harbaugh but don't say it like don't be an idiot don't be an idiot like you might be right you might have the facts but like don't say that out loud especially at a drafter if you come on man it's like it's like going to you Smart kid, too. You got to know better than that. And you got to have your parents and your agent and everybody else telling you. It's like going to a new job and trashing your old boss so badly that the new boss is probably like, there's got to be something wrong with you.

Your boss can't be that bad. 100%. Yeah. Well, we still wish DPj the best going forward all that being said i mean uh he's got his work coming out for him at the cleveland browns but i'm sure with his talents uh he'll take him very far uh anyways moving on more in the sixth round here john runyon hey little john runyon good for him green bay packers solid pick man hey i thought it was good for him after green bay's disastrous first round pick i mean what can we talk about that a little bit i know it's not related to michigan oh my gosh that was the worst pick i've ever seen it absolutely baffles me the

bears and and the vikings they've they've been known to take top quarterbacks like so we had christian ponders who was taken by the vikings terrible pick uh mitch trubisky when he was taken by the bears i was at that draft in Philly and people were looking at each other like, what the hell is going on? Everybody was very confused by that. This was even more confusing because you trade up into the draft

and take a guy who's... Oh my god. And you have... I mean, I know Aaron Rodgers... You have Aaron Rodgers who's arguably the most talented quarterback in the league still at 36 years old. I know we have Pat Mahomes and we have others, but A-Rod is still doing it. As an Alliance fan, I've watched him tear us up year in and year out. And so that just did blow my mind.

Well, to bring it back to John Runyon, we can't say how much he's improved. I mean, two years ago, right? We were going like, John, you're literally missing blocks. People are running through you, running you over, getting around you. And then he came back his fifth year, and we were like, wow, he's actually improved a lot in a short amount of time. I feel so solid with him. And as a matter of fact, if I remember correctly, I think he sat out with injury the first couple games, came back, and we were like, thank God he's back in the game.

So it's good to see john make that kind of improvement and then get to play in the nfl so uh also in the sixth round josh metellus minnesota vikings jack what do you think about josh shocked shocked i i i saw him get burned too many times to think he could get drafted in the nfl i know i told you guys, I, I, I like him as a person and I'm, you know, great that he played for Michigan, but man, we, I don't know. I, I, I, I've got nothing to say. I thought Josh, he made some, he made some plays at Michigan. We, we all know that he got burned by KJ Hamler. Right. But you know, I feel like some of that's who knows, I mean,

maybe KJ Hamler becomes an absolute monster in the NFL. So look, some guys like me got drafted in what seventh round, six, six, six round. So, I mean, look, Hey, you know, there's a lot of coaches are like, you know, this guy's been productive. He's played a lot of games in Michigan. Let's give him a shot. You know, they're not taking these six-round draft picks, I think, as – I don't know. I think he's a great player.

I think that's a good pick for them. I agree with you there. I'm just kidding. I agree with you there. And I know, you know, I think he was put on an island a lot at Michigan by Don Brown's scheme. And you know what? I'm sorry. I don't know if it matters, you know, unless it's Daxton Hill running a 4-3.

You know, K.J. Hamler is going to burn 7 out of 10 people there at safety. He's just so fast. And so, although it, you know it costs us some games at some times, I think him in the sixth round, he probably interviewed really well with teams. He's like the nicest guy out there, like unbelievably good kid, great character. And he was a three-year starter for us in a captain. So he's smart, knows the defenses, knows, you know, probably had great film breakdowns and things like that. So for a team in the sixth round and there's, you know, as a backup, they're trying to help,

you know, that whole safety and defensive back room, which i think he can add to more than just his athletic ability i think he's a really big safety too i mean he's a pretty physical guy he's built man like he he looks like like when you look at him like you think he's gonna be a dominant player at whatever his position he's at just going off of my memories from him that's that's what i've got is him getting burned not just by hamler um so that's that's, that's what I've got. It's him getting burned, not just by Hamler. So that's, that's basically where my head goes right to when I think of Mattelis, but again, like the kid, hopefully it's just the fact that he was put on an Island at Michigan with

Don Brown's defense and he does really well in the NFL. I mean, obviously I hope for that, but yeah, other than that, I've got nothing on. He's also a three-star recruit. So it's good to see a three-star get developed and get a shot in the NFL. Especially because we have quite a few three-stars coming in now, so hopefully they can stick with it. Yeah.

Well, shortly after Metellus drafted Jordan Glasgow, Indianapolis Colts, another guy who actually I think was a walk-on, right? I think all the Glasgow's were walk-ons. He had no offers. That's unbelievable, right? Didn't get a shot until his fifth year and then ends up getting drafted. So good job, Jordan Glasgow. I would like to point out that I called him Devin Bush 2.0,

I think in our second episode ever. So I'll take credit for seeing the diamond in the rough. Thank you, man. He must have heard you, yeah. He heard you. Thanks for passing that on to Don Brown. We appreciate it. I got Donnie on the phone now.

I think we said he had that Mel Gibson, like, flow, right? From Braveheart. From Braveheart, yeah. He's got some great hair. He does have great hair. I mean, the Glasgow story is absolutely incredible, though. I know that was pointed out a couple times over the weekend, but three guys, all walk-ons at Michigan, all turned into starters,

and all drafted. That's got to be the first time ever that's ever happened right oh has to be gotta yeah gotta be so that an incredible story and i saw a couple things that they should um they should 100 have a glasgow award for the best walk-on of the year at for in michigan football 100 okay and then moving on to the undrafted free agents uh jack's favorite player of all time tight end sean mccune went to the dallas cowboys okay i knew he wasn't gonna get drafted so that was my shock. But the real shocker is LaVert Hill. How did he not get drafted?

Oh, my goodness. Kansas City Chiefs decided to take a shot on him. But what the hell, man? Ro, you got to bring this into perspective for me. I mean, I truly, like, you went back to even 2018 when we had, you know, two lockdown corners there. And I remember looking at those stats of LaVert and saying, you know, seeing he had, you know, 5% or something like that

with completion percentage against him. You know, crazy stats. And he played man-to-man 95 percent of his career at Michigan just absolutely locking guys down so I cannot believe that he didn't get drafted and to see you know as a Michigan fan like we said who's watched that defense give up some some uh some big plays it's rarely rarely rarely rarely ever been on the corners, on the sides. You know, it's always in the middle of the field. And so to see Metellus go and then LaVert Hill not, very shocking to me.

I would love to, you know, talk to the NFL GMs or hear from them on why that was because it seems to me like it must have been something other than just talent there. There had to be some other thing going on. And I don't want to start any rumors or anything like that. But it just seemed to me like there had to be some other issues or something. Yeah, that's an interesting point. Now, the one guy that we didn't mention is probably not as surprising, but also very surprising. Shea Patterson undrafted. What is going on here?

Nate, you got to got to explain this. I think the draft to me, there's, you know, two two players that just really stood out to me. And kind of the things that you've been hearing from the fan base, like man she's you know he's really not performing well you know look at we saw that the coaches in the nfl saw that you know things with like man dpj hasn't been productive right we saw that the the coaches in the nfl saw that so to me shea patterson was like okay we all saw that he wasn't very productive um he overthrew a lot of balls wasn't very accurate um scrambled around the pocket didn't step forward in the pocket uh just things that you know what I mean yeah no I mean no I'm just like reiterating my whole self with this whole Shea Patterson thing we all know it we all saw it the coaches saw it the result happened we know exactly what you're

talking about right because this is our problem we see all these guys drafted and and we go like we're not getting production out of these skill positions right i mean you look at the guys who are sorry you look at the teams that played in the playoff and they have elite quarterbacks right i mean look at jalen hertz look at uh joe burrow i mean even like next year i mean trevor lawrence might be first off the board but rqb goes undrafted i mean that says a lot about you know our team in general go ahead nate all right so to kaylen you're also telling me before the podcast uh that we had four if you just think about we had four linemen go right but the quarterback doesn't go

so it shows you that it's really not the offensive line. It's, you know. Yeah, great point, Ro. So, okay, so my question then is, is that Shea Patterson sucking? Or is that our offense, you know, whether it's Gattis or Harbaugh or the development or whoever, I know he's a transfer, but how do we have a five-star quarterback come in with an offensive line that is amazing and he still can't put up the stats or get it done? You know, I look back at him at Ole Miss and, you know, even he didn't play that many games,

you know, 10 total games, but in his sophomore year at Ole Miss, he played in seven games before he tore his ACL. He threw for 2,200 yards, over 2,200 yards in seven games. And last year, he played in 13 games and threw for 3,000. So double seven games, you know, he's throwing for almost 5,000 yards at Ole Miss. And I know they're going to sling it more than we would at Michigan. They're running gun. You know, it was a different offense.

But I think that's on the coaching staff that we are suppressing these guys so much to say, hey, don't make a mistake. You know, keep the ball in here. We're not letting them flourish and letting them grow as a quarterback. You're going to make mistakes. You're going to throw the ball into double coverage sometimes. But with a guy with Shea Patterson's talent and go back and watch his film at Ole Miss, he was running all over the place and making plays just like on the run that was when he was

best it was almost like denard-esque where the best play was a broken play you know where he scrambles and makes a play we never gave him the chance really to do that here at michigan and i think we were holding him back and so i i'm not a huge advocate for Shea because his arm was nothing as advertised, you know, when he was coming here. But I just think that I hope in the future, and I think that for Shea, you know, we got to let these guys grow into themselves instead of, you know, I feel like we're just holding them back and keeping them in this bubble to make them a serviceable quarterback instead of making them that Heisman-type guy. You look at, Shea last year had 23 touchdown passes, which is the most that Michigan has had for, I think, almost 20 years. Joe Burrow had 50 last year.

60. Was it? I think he had 60 hold on well keep going i'm gonna look it up keep going i thought it was 50 but okay that's double of what we had more than double of what we had this year and that's the most we've had in the last 15 20 years like man at some point you gotta let the offense roll and we got to score some points and not put this all on Don Brown to keep every team, you know, below 14. If that wasn't the greatest defense of Shea Patterson I've heard on any show. 60 touchdowns. Well, can I say something? So when he was at Ole Miss, right, one of the things that they had talked about is he, you know, had a lot of interceptions. So, look, we see the highlights. We saw some really great plays from Shea when he was at Ole Miss.

But honestly, I can't say that I've watched a full Ole Miss game, right, to see like how he really is performing. So and also he had an injury. And I know, you know, there's a lot of medical advances and stuff today. But I mean, still, for a lot of people, if you have an MCL issue or an ACL or something like that, I mean, it can affect you like for a long time. Not everybody's Adrian Peterson. Um, I just think that there's, yeah, I understand there's like frustration with the quarterback position, but I mean, sometimes you just get unlucky, man. We've seen plenty of times before we've had five-star guys, right? Kevin Grady really didn't turn out to anything. Derek Green didn't really turn out to anything. Um, it's just kind kind of sometimes you get lucky sometimes, you know, and sometimes it doesn't turn out the way you'd want. I mean, we had Jake or Jake Ruddock, who developed a lot.

We had Wilton Spate, who had one year and sometimes, you know, he was a three star guy. And then the next year he got hurt. So we didn't really get to see him fully maybe develop into that quarterback. We had John O'Korn then who just did not have the skillset. And then we have Shea Patterson. So look, I really think that maybe in two years, right, we'll be able to look back and go like, okay, if we couldn't have done it with Dylan or Joe, like maybe there is something up but I still feel like it's a little bit too early and I think some of the player personnel just hasn't

been um maybe what it is and you can't expect like I get it we have to like you know uh recruit these kids and whatnot but look at man there's only so much you can do. There's what, probably two or three quarterbacks that are like, okay, this guy's going to be a stud. Guess where he goes? He goes to Clemson. He goes to Alabama. So you have to, I think you just got to give it a little bit more time.

And then we can make, we can start talking about like, whether we've it's been a failure trying to develop these quarterbacks. I think there's a little bit of truth in both sides, right? I mean, I definitely wouldn't be surprised if Jim Harbaugh was very obstinate and wants everybody to do things his way. And that prevents, you know, Shay who at one point was called Johnny Mansell 2.0 from being that kind of

player. Right. So, but also, you know maybe shea wasn't as advertised so it was a little bit of that as well so it can be kind of a you know a mix of the two uh to form the perfect storm for our situation i say perfect storm but ultimately shea was a very good quarterback at uofm statistically right uh just couldn't get it done against just the monolith that is Ohio State at this point. But this is a good segue into kind of our next segment here about our on-field report, or sorry, our on-field performance. I mean, we had 10 guys drafted, which is great, but why can't we beat Ohio State? Jack, please walk me through this one um that that's a great question uh i mean obviously we just talked about shay patterson

at quarterback i think inconsistency at that position you can't get anywhere with that right like you look at all these great teams, like we've said, like all the teams that go to the playoff, they have playmakers at wide receiver, at quarterback, at running back, where we're missing a key position in the quarterback. And Shea wasn't our guy. And obviously Ohio State's at, you know, they're just at a different level. But if you don't have a quarterback that can be consistent,

you know what you're going to get out of him and consistently hit receivers when he's supposed to, you can't have a quarterback that can be consistent and you know what you're going to get out of him and consistently hit receivers when he's supposed to you can't you can't do anything so um we we just got to see what happens with Milton and McCaffrey and uh I mean obviously we can develop defensive guys you know we can develop players we just can't develop Shea I don't know that's that's where I'm at with it that's a good point bro well I mean here's the thing you know on the surface it looks like we had 10 draft picks and they had 10 draft picks we should be side by side right but Ohio State had in the first three rounds had seven guys picked we had two you that once you get past the third round it's really iffy if guys are you know they're they'll

probably make the roster but they're not contributing right away it let alone in the you know second year you know when you when you're drafted in the first three rounds, you're at least you're going for a starting position in the NFL or you already have it. And so that's the difference is they have these guys that are in the first three rounds, seven of them this year. And those guys are at our NFL talent right away. We have guys, you know, we had five guys in the sixth round. We're a sixth round type of team. That's what we are, man. And it's, you know, it's not that that's bad. We are, you know, compared to the rest of the country,

even the rest of the Big Ten, that's fantastic, right? There are 90% of schools out there that would 100% take 10 draft picks, even if they're in the sixth round, any day of the week. But because we're Michigan and Ohio State has those seven in the top three rounds and 10 total, then we're technically a failure because our measuring stick is always going to be up against Ohio State. Very well said. Nate, you got any thoughts on that? Yeah, I think the thing that we've been lacking is high skilled or high draft picks that are from

skilled positions. So when I think about like Michigan teams that have been really good, right? Quarterbacks, Chad Henney, second round pick, right? Javon Walker, first round pick. Braylon Edwards, first round pick. Anthony Thomas, I don't remember, but I believe he was a high draft pick. Same thing with Chris Perry, I think taken in the top 10. So you have high skilled guys. Jason Avant, right, had a great NFL career with the Eagles. So you have a lot of that. That's one thing I think we have been lacking for sure. We have not had a quarterback that's been drafted, except for Jake Ruddock, but I think he was a fifth or sixth round pick. So I think that's what we're missing. Skill

positions being drafted pretty far up there. Right now, we just have a lot of defensive linemen, defensive backs, offensive linemen. But I can't't remember and this is what I talked about last time we need a running back and some wide receivers to really show some impact on to really like emerge themselves as the it guy right that's what we need at Michigan we need the it guy right that's what Ohio State has had J.K. Dobbins, Maurice Claret. So where's ours? We haven't had that guy, right? We've had guys who have gone to the NFL and done a pretty good job.

Fitzgerald Toussaint was one who I think of as like, I don't remember him having this crazy Michigan career, but he ended up going to the NFL and doing pretty well. I think he signed a big deal, but you know what I mean.'s we need guys who are gonna playmakers at the skill position yeah 100 i mean that we need playmakers at the skill position and a qb who can sling it right uh i mean hopefully dylan or joe can be that those guys and jj mcc McCarthy's coming in, and hopefully, I mean, the coaches let those guys shine, bro. Yeah, and I just want to say, too, you know,

although we are a step behind Ohio State still in these, you know, statistics and in this measuring stick, we're still so much better off with Harbaugh than we were before. 100%. NFL, that's where it's like, you know, you can give Harbaugh as much shit as you want, but if you think we should just get rid of him and go to somebody else at this point, man, think about what we were like in 2011, you know, 2009, 2010. So the draft picks, Michigan's NFL draft picks over the last decade, the five years before Jim Harbaugh from 2011 to 15, we had 13, one first round pick.

And in the last five years of Harbaugh from 2016 to 2020, we have 31 picks with five first rounders so you're doubling over doubling your NFL draft picks um which is where you know I see the the people put out statistics of like Brady Hoke's record was exactly the same or close to what Harbaugh's is you know we're in the same boat we haven't improved at all um you know at least Brady Hoke improved over his years or whatever. Like, no, man, Jim Harbaugh is still the guy right now. There's not going to be anybody out there that, that does better at this point. It's still, you know, we're, we're just, the rest of the country is here and then there's us and then there's Ohio State, Bama,mson you know we're just not we're not quite on that next tier but we're a close close um step behind yeah 100 i actually i think you just hit the nail on the head um okay so who's going to replace these guys who did get drafted i mean we know we got some great players uh backing them

up we've kind of talked about this a little bit but let's just you know set it in stone here quote unquote for right now um nate what do you think um honestly i'm just trying to trying to think i who we got. I'll help him go through it a little bit here. The lineman's what I'm worried about. That's really what I'm worried about. Yeah. I mean, the easy ones here are LaVert Hill will be replaced by Vincent Gray,

who has already gotten some time at corner and actually had some really good spots last year. I think that's a done deal. Josh Metellus by Dax Hill, probably a big upgrade, honestly. So I think we're excited about the back, the cornerbacks in the secondary there. Jordan Glasgow being replaced by Josh Ross, also probably an upgrade. Glasgow showed he did very well, but he's a walk-on.

We have to start replacing these walk-on guys, even though they show out, with three, four, five-star guys, and Josh Ross is one of those. And then Hudson, Michael Barrett is going to be a stud um to replace Kalik at the Viper position um and then you get into the O-line and this is where like Nate said definitely some question marks um so Andrew Stuber is going to be in there for michael nwainu probably um carpenter will be in there at center for ruiz um for bradison it'll be uh philly yaga or barnhart and then runyon it'll be hayes and i don't know if you guys know this but there are next to zero starts for any of those guys so yeah nate if you want to talk about just how i don't know how we're going to improve that or have them step in there well i think um just to mention something positive right it was kind of the same way a couple years

ago with uh the guys that just got drafted now it was like these guys haven't really played uh there's a lot of questions and uh ed warner really turned him around so uh i guess it will be interesting to see all these guys kind of develop um i think it's actually it'll be pretty exciting to watch these guys uh um develop and maybe maybe in two years we're we're going to be talking about all these guys getting drafted again so I don't know that's all I got to say no that's a great yeah I mean outlook I've got my faith in in Warner I mean we've seen that he can develop linemen from university to university that he's gone to and I know he's really excited about a lot of these guys especially Ryan Hayes you know former basketball player used to be a tight end, converted to a lineman, super athletic, who would be our left tackle with Mayfield on the right side. We've seen what Mayfield can do.

Phillyaga was a highly rated lineman recruit coming in, so he'll do a great job at the guard position. Carpenter, I honestly have no idea. We'll see what he does. But obviously, Warner knows what he's doing in developing these guys. And then Andrew Stuber, he was the guy that was fighting for a starting position beginning of the season before he got hurt. So I'm not worried about the line at all, honestly, just because of Warner and what he can do with the lineman that he's done in the past.

So I think that could be another one of our strong positions coming in. Yeah. Yeah. Very nice. I was just going to say, I think we got to throw the bag at Warner, man. We got to keep him at all costs. I mean, if you look at it for the past year or two, our offensive line compared to the past 10, it is light years above that so make sure we

got to protect him man and keep him in in ann arbor yeah another couple positions here i mean defensive end michael dana could be replaced with luigi villain your boy yeah of course best name in college football uh dpJ gone might be Giles Jackson. I think that's actually a pretty solid lock right there. But then Josh Uche. Not really sure who's going to be taking that spot there. Maybe that Julius Welshoff guy we were talking about a couple weeks ago. You never know.

It's kind of wide open. So I'm not sure who's going to that spot but it's open and i'm sure we'll replace it with somebody um somebody who's very deserving and very very skillful um so what do you guys say that'd be the scariest thing of all time just getting tackled by some giant german guy he cusses you out in German. Yeah, he's like saying something in German. That dude's on the field? Yeah, I don't want to play Michigan this week, Mom. Okay, what do you guys say we try this new segment we got here?

Zero to 90. Love it. Let's go. Alright, each of you will have 30 seconds to do a rant of your choice once that's over i will cut you off i will snip the cord and get you out of this skype chat and then move on all right let's do it all right, we'll start with you. Ready? 30 seconds starting now. All right. Joe Milton, QB1. I'm very easily persuaded.

Okay? I know I had McCaffrey last week, but I saw some highlights of Joe Milton. And I don't say some highlights of Patrick Mahomes. Milton is being compared to the wrong NFL quarterback. He is not Cam Newton. He's Patrick Mahomes, man. He can run. He can sling it from any arm angle. He's got the big arm. Joe He is not Cam Newton. He's Patrick Mahomes, man. He can run. He can sling it from any arm angle.

He's got the big arm. Joe Milton, QB1. 2021 or 2020, whatever the season's going to be. Nate, go. That was great. Nate, ready? Your 30 seconds starts now. Well, Jack, you just ruined my 30 seconds.

I do want to talk about caesar ruiz i feel like he was almost the highlight story of the draft um it was great uh there was so much uh talk about him at the draft um i just really loved it and especially he was one of those players that you just like fall in love with and just love his uh um his attitude that he's had in michigan so i just loved seeing him get drafted and they also did a great job with okay there's your 30 seconds all right row you ready all right 30 seconds starting now all, here is your stat of the day. There are more undrafted free agents in the Hall of Fame than number one overall picks in the Hall of Fame. There are 17 undrafted free agents and 14 number one overall picks in the Hall of Fame.

So don't sleep on LaVert Hill. He could be in the Hall of Fame one day. I'm not going to say Shea Patterson is going to be in the Hall of Fame, but the NFL draft doesn't mean as much as you think it does so these guys that went late in the sixth round there you go there's your 30 seconds all right no that was pretty good though actually i liked it all jack you are easily persuaded that was so quick, man. Come on. So now I'm by myself. I think it was three days. I'm by myself on the McCaffrey train.

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