Blue By Ninety - BIG problems in The Big House

Episode Date: November 15, 2020

The Wolverines are now 1-3 after being blown out by the Badgers at home. There are so may questions and the boys have the answers to get something going for this Michigan Football team. Crack a cold one and enjoy the show. 

This is the University of Michigan. Touchdown, Michigan! The Beats of Michigan! And they've caught extra pass. And it goes to the wind! The three-pointer by Jordan Poole! Down the sideline! Peebles jumps!

Touchdown, Wolverines! All right, welcome back to Blue by 90. I'm Justin Rowe. I am joined here by Kalen and Jack. And it is the Sunday morning after Michigan just got the shit beat out of them by Wisconsin in their own stadium. And the rain was pouring down in the fourth quarter on Jim Harbaugh, and he looked like he wanted to just crawl into a hole and die. And so that was fun to watch.

I really enjoyed last night's game. I don't know about you guys, but I am hung over as shit because you had to drink heavily to watch that football game. Dude, I had just no adrenaline going and I couldn't even, like, I couldn't even get drunk if I wanted to. The game was so fucking miserable. I was just sitting there like, this is just God awful. I'm sitting there trying to drink my liquor and get the team going, but I could, you know, I just couldn't get it done. I mean, it was what a piss poor effort. Yeah. I, I made the mistake of, of drinking too early.

And then I was like, all right, I'll take a, I'll take a little break in the first quarter here. So I'm like sipping on a Sprite and then I'm like, oh gosh, I like, if I start drinking now, it's just going to be bad. You know what Michigan has, that is where they've crossed the line officially. When we can't even get a buzz because of them, that is where I draw the line, honestly. You're ruining my weekend. You're ruining my weekend.

I can't even get drunk. Yeah. I mean, that's next level. So, also, Jack, I want you to apologize to us and to our listeners because i apologize for saying that you had any faith in this football team and program last week you predicted michigan to win and now you just look like an asshole you know what i'll half apologize okay because i am the only person to predict that wisconsin was going to score in the 40s. The fact that you guys had faith and were getting my hopes up about this defense is laughable. It's laughable to me.

So I'll half apologize for thinking Michigan could score 40. I don't know. Maybe if Cade would have started the game, maybe you would have had a shot there. We'll see. Turns out we're all idiots. Turns out. Like we didn't know that before. I will say, yes, Wisconsin scored 49 points.

And honestly, if they would have tried in the second half, they could have scored 70 if they wanted to. But they ran out of the clock, essentially, from the halftime on. I also thought, though though that this defense, even with giving up that much, like they played better than they did against Indiana and Michigan state. At least in the secondary, the, the,

the front seven, our linebackers are so fucking bad, man, Josh Ross and camera grown, who we thought were going to be like leaders of this defense going into the season, are so bad. Dax Hill, the safety, led the team in tackles yesterday. How does that happen? And they weren't even passing all over.

It wasn't like they were passing the ball so much that he had to make tackles on that. He's tackling the ball ball carrier the running backs i mean i feel like it's not even i'm not even gonna say that the lineback linebackers are that bad i'm not gonna say they're great but we've seen it year in year out from don brown over pursuit on defense has killed us every fucking big game and we saw that last night on the fucking reverses how many times we had killed in those reverses or wide receiver um or the fucking jet sweeps jet sweeps going around the corner and they're just there's like four guys blocking two dudes like what is going on i mean they killed us in the rushing game it was like 300 341 rushing yards the secondary guys that had 65 yards or more yes like you said the secondary actually did play

well they only let up 127 passing yards but yeah it's a it's fucking it's just a mess on defense so in terms of over pursuit too like i remember one play where they did the uh wisconsin did like the the play action um bootleg and then then kind of let the tight end slip out or fullback slip out. And I was watching, so it was Luigi Villain had the edge there, and I don't blame him because his responsibility is to try and get to the quarterback there. But it was him and Josh Ross both bit on the play action, and Josh Ross' responsibility is that tight end and so the play

action went to the other side of the field like why are you biting because even if the he does give it there you're not going to make the play on the whole other side of the field and so there's literally no reason for you to bite and then this tight, I can't remember if it was a tight end or a fullback, but he's wide open with Luigi Villain and Josh Ross in no man's land. And it's just like that sums it all up, man. You're caught in no man's land after biting on a bad play action fake, and now they have a wide open guy that I think he got it down to like the, I don't know, two yard line or something at

that point. But it's, I mean, that was the one specific one I remember, but like, there's probably a thousand other examples of that. Yeah. And if, and if you're looking at that, at least from my perspective, that's 100% on Don Brown and the coaching, right? Like you're, you're teaching that you're setting up a place, You're telling them where they're supposed to be. If Don Brown's not gone by Monday morning, I will be just completely shocked. I mean, it's just way past out of control at this point. Just see if there's another young guy that can step up and do something to just try and salvage the season at some point. But I feel like there's no reason to waste your time with Don Brown right now.

Yeah, from the moment the game started, I mean, I think the keys to the game were something like come out fast, score quick, and, you know, get your guys in space, some things like that. And just from the moment the game started, became very clear that jim harbaugh and his coaching staff had absolutely not no idea what to do and no response for anything that happened during the game so i mean something needs to change and it needs to change fast if you want any any option to you to salvage the season. And then to make matters worse, I think there were something like 20 recruits on campus yesterday or at the game, whatever. If you're Donovan Edwards, and I believe he was there as well because I think he had a game. He scored like six touchdowns or something in the first half of his game.

He's unbelievable. The dude is in the playoffs, I think. Is west bloomfield i believe west yeah he's just a stud like a game changer so if you're there even if he wasn't there and he's watching on tv or whatever hassan haskins had one carry last night one carry zach. Zach Charbonnet had three. Corum had seven. So I want to know, like, if you're Josh Gaddis and you're trying to pitch Donovan Edwards, like, what's your pitch? Hey, man, I saw you scored six touchdowns tonight in your game.

We aren't even going to give you six carries at Michigan, so don't plan on scoring that much. Like, I believe that Hass. Like how do you, if I believe that Hassan Haskins is probably the best, he's been the most consistent back for us this year. And even at the end of last year, it was obvious he was the most consistent. He's he,

he rushes for eight yards of carry. That's his average this year. He has 21 carries on the season. How many, how many running backs across the country yesterday probably had 21 or more carries in the game. And he has that in four games. I just,

what's the game plan. What is Josh Gaddis? What are you doing? There's like, there is literally no game plan going into any of these games. I mean, if I'm, if I'm Gaddis and I'm trying to pitch Donovan Edwards,

I say, I'm with you, bro. You got to put Haskins in. Right now, he's the number one guy. He's averaging the most yards per carry. And it's crazy to me that he's not getting more time right there. But also, what I do think he's doing a good job of is getting Corum in the game. He's a freshman.

He's playing right away. And I think Corum clearly is the next best guy, if not the number one guy, because of his versatility and what we've seen him do on the field. Sorry, Charbonnet. Sorry, Chris Evans. But you've got to take a back seat for Haskins and Corum right now because that's the only way we're going to get more running back recruits because there's only two guys getting carries,

and it shows that young guys are able to get in. That's what I would do if I was with Ennis. I was i mean yeah i'm glad to see the young guys get in but i am also like constantly scratching my head like what the fuck is the game plan like why are we lining up on the goal line on fourth down in the shotgun to run like put them under center under center and fall. He's 6'5", 240 fucking pounds, dude. What a fucking, like, when he was standing there in the shotgun at fourth and goal, I'm sitting there, everybody at home had to be like, what the fuck is happening? Tom Brady is, what, 6'2", 150 pounds? The most unathletic guy ever.

And every time he gets it. And you can't put the biggest fucking dude at quarterback in college football under center to get this much yardage? I mean, what are you thinking? And Jim Harbaugh, you've got to be on the sidelines seeing this and go, timeout. Fucking go under center, Joe, and fall. Like, what the fuck are we doing here? This is so ridiculous. I have no idea. Okay, so last week against Indiana, we completely abandoned the run game of Joe Milton, right?

I don't think he had any carries, not on scrambles, last week versus Indiana. And now this week it was like four or five times they ran just, you know, Joe Milton Qb draw to the right or qb draw to the left it didn't work any of those times and they still continue to do it and i'm like all right yes good job for running the ball with joe milton but let's run a read option like every other fast-paced offense in america like it's i don't understand what the with a QB draw works if you have a great offensive line and you have guys blocking in front of you. But at least run a read option where he can read the defensive end and make a play and you have to actually put some pressure on the defense.

I don't understand. And then as far as the game plan, game play calling goes, how about just in the second quarter, we're down 21-0, 28-0. I can't even remember what it was. It's third and eight, and they run an off tackle with Blake Forum. Behind an offensive line that has literally not shown anything. That, to me, was like, well, we're already down.

We're giving up. We're just running the clock out trying to get out of here, man. Yeah, I mean, and going back to that, like, I think there was a minute left for a drive. The clock management was fucking awful. You're down 21-0, like you said, and you're not even trying to get points. I think Milton wasted 20, 30 seconds on one fucking play. He, like, ran. He tried to run the ball and, like like or he was trying to look downfield

but he was way out of the pocket could have easily thrown it out of bounds and just stop the clock but he lets himself get taken down to keep a clock running i mean that i think that's on milton but still if you're harbaugh i think there was a timeout left call a timeout give you guys a chance to fucking score yeah i mean maybe you guys know more than me here but doesn't you doesn't the play caller have like a play sheet that says like third and more than six yards third and long these are the kinds of plays that we can run right why is that even an option why are you running that play if you're third and whatever right 100 there so so you should so you have what a play caller has is essentially a down and distance essentially it's you have you know if it's third and within you know

seven to eleven yards seven to twelve yards you can run these plays because it'll get you past the sticks um and so that yeah that play should not be on there it should be on that play is a first and ten you know second and five type play i so maybe maybe the problem is that josh gaddis never called plays before coming to michigan and we just gave him the offense i think that's just and everyone was so pissed at harbaugh you know being play caller, too conservative, all this stuff. But like – I mean let's go back to him. I don't know. Let fucking anybody call the plays.

You and I could call the plays right now like 100%. Dude, that's what I said. I was like this game feels like I'm playing NCAA on a difficult on the like easy difficulty I mean I feel like we gave Gattis a chance because he came from Alabama right he's a season and a half under his belt if he doesn't do anything or prove anything this year I think he's gone I think he's gone I think he's gone I think Brown's gone we don't know about Harbaugh I think he'll probably still be around. But you've got to get rid of the coordinators.

There needs to be a change. If you want to get anything in recruiting, there has to be some sort of something to show them that, hey, we're trying to change to make things better. And clearly these are two things that have been going wrong, and we're trying to do something to get it going the other direction and speaking of the play calling in the play sheets so how it how most coaches have they have a list of plays that they want to start out the game with um so it's like this whole thing you know you have your first 15 plays last week versus indiana they went three and out the first three drives and and they and this week it was two interceptions to start right and so like that's on gaddis in my opinion obviously the joe millen interception was one of the worst throws of all time but like that's on gaddis to me if those are the first 15 plays of your script

that you like are like these those are your go-to plays. We practice these all week. We think that these can definitely work. In back-to-back weeks, those plays did you so much damage and did not work in the least bit. So to me, that's on Josh Gaddis. 100%. Yeah, so let's talk about, we were talking about it right before. Let's talk about some bright spots on the defensive side of the ball, at least. The secondary, like you said, Kalen, Vince Gray, and Jermon Green did decent.

Hey, you know, Vince Gray must have been listening to our podcast and listening to everybody going like, oh, these guys suck, right? And then he's like, no, I can do this job. And he kind of stepped up. He made a number of plays i was happy to see that yeah same same i mean we can go back to it too i think secondary played really well really well just too bad that the d-line and linebackers couldn't couldn't be on the same page with them i mean it's just one thing hits and everything misses it's nothing's ever on the same page i mean we knew that the d-line, especially with Quiddy out now,

along with Aiden, was going to struggle, right? And actually, I thought Carlo Kemp played decently for just being thrown into a D-end spot when he's played in the middle his whole career. He had a sack. He had our first sack in two and a half games. So, I mean, what else can you ask from the guy you know um they they were pretty close him and luigi were like decently close to getting to grand mertz a few times um but when we knew wisconsin has always had a good running game

their offensive line is probably one of the top in the country uh but it was like every single run was an easy five six seven yards even in the fourth quarter when wisconsin had been trying to run the ball out since you know halfway through the second quarter essentially and everybody in the world knows it to run they're still getting eight yards a pop easy oh yeah like you i mean michigan wasn't even trying to like get eight guys in the box and stop that it was like all right you can do whatever and like you said with the over pursuit how many of the speed sweeps at like it was just so easy like you said caitlin it looked like they were playing on madden um or ncaa in easy mode yeah I mean, credit where it's due, too. I honestly loved some of the play calling from Paul Crist.

I mean, he was moving like the tight end and fullback like around pre-snap. I was kind of like, oh, that's getting a little creative for Wisconsin there. And then with a lot more passing than I think I've seen in the past from their program, they show a lot of promise to me. So I look forward to seeing Wisconsin maybe playing like an Ohio State in a championship game. Go Badgers. Big Badger fans over here. Oh, yeah.

Jump around. I think, to your point, Kalen, what Paul Chris was doing on offense is what Jim Harbaugh would love to be. He would love to pound it down your throat like they do, but then also be a little creative with that, with the tight ends and the, and the fullbacks and the speed sweeps and stuff like that. Like that is what Jim Harbaugh wanted to do. And he wanted Shea Patterson to be Graham Mertz too,

where when you do throw the ball he you know he throws the ball well and can get on the run and does all that stuff but Michigan so far from that it's not even funny yeah well I mean as Michigan fans too you got to understand right Wisconsin's never going to beat Ohio State right so we we can be fine you know it sounds good saying like you know michigan could try to run that offense and they could win a number of games with that offense but as we've seen it you're not going to be ohio state especially not when i have justin fields right so i mean it's not it's the problem with that offense in the year 2020 is ohio state scores on like three or four play drives right they just get the ball down the field so quickly

and wisconsin in order for them to score it takes them six seven minutes uh and that was what you're seeing from in 2016 17 and 18 from jim harbaughugh was it goes really well when you're playing ahead and you can take your time and everything like that. But as soon as you get down in any of those games, you're still taking too much time off the clock to come back in any type of fashion. Right. Yeah, it requires like perfect execution as well, right? There's no room for error.

Right, exactly. So, I mean, let's go. I shouted out on Twitter, you know, to ask some of our followers some questions, what kind of questions they have for us. The first one was, why does this football program just get off on hurting and causing pain to the fans so um i i don't know is is jim harvett like is that his kink is he like they this football program they like love to hurt people and know that we are we have broken hearts sure it sure it sure as hell feels like it man michigan football needs to start in only fans and

get paid for it yeah i suddenly i'm a masochist right that's why i root for michigan yeah i mean i was gonna say another another good question that was on here not to cut you guys off but it says who gets fired first who do you guys got has to be Don Brown I mean I don't think they're gonna fire anybody until the end of the season because like what what do you do then you know midway what do you do without a defensive coordinator I guess change man I don't know it can't get any worse you're not wrong but I I still don't think they do it because Michigan doesn't have the nuts to do that. But it has to be Don Brown. Has to be. Yeah, I say get rid of them all.

I'm like, dude, you could go down the list, right? Sean Nua, get rid of Don Brown. All three of them. I mean, shit, I brought this on here, right? I don't know if you guys have read this book extreme ownership by jocko willink and leaf babin right chapter two of the book is called no bad teams only bad leaders okay this is about how navy seals win in battle uh just a brief excerpt here. becomes the new standard. Thus, Jim Harbaugh has accepted mediocrity as the standard for

Michigan football. So until we get rid of Jim Harbaugh, this is what you're going to see. I mean, we saw Urban Meyer talk about it. What was it, big noon kickoff? He had a whole spiel. He was like, there's three things. And if you set a certain standard or set a certain expectation and you're not meeting that in practice and training and all this stuff and you're allowing it to be lower than what your goals are, then that's a problem. And that's why you end up one in three. You know? I mean, it's – I'm with you. I don't want to put it all on Harbaugh because it's clearly, I mean, yes, he is the leader of the program, and ultimately it falls on him.

But, man, I mean, Don Brown, Josh Gaddis, Sean Nua, all those guys, I mean, they can't be ignored there either. Yeah. Well, he hired them, right? True. These are guys he put in positions to succeed. And he evidently didn't make it clear to them what the standards were that they need to hold their employees to or their players to. So it starts from the top.

So your point for the standards, that was very apparent to me when I believe it was in 2018 when Michigan got housed by Ohio State at the end of the year. But they were technically like co-Big Ten East champions, right? And I'm pretty sure Jim Harbaugh gave all the players shirts that said co-Big Ten East champions. After they got beat by 30 against Ohioio state nick staben would never do that never urban meyer urban meyer would like no fucking chance dude he'd buy the shirts throw them on the field and then burn them in the middle of the field and say you guys don't fucking deserve to be here exactly so like to me that right there is setting the standard. We're proud of getting the shit kicked out of us by our rival for the seventh year in a row and not making the Big Ten championship.

We're proud of 10-2. And 10-2, great. It's a great record. But if that's your standard, if that's an accomplishment, then that's not good. No Michigan fan is ever going to say, yes, it was a great year. We got beat by 30 by Ohio State. That's never going to be the case. And so I think 10-3, 10-2, yeah, that's good.

It's a great measurement. But when you still end up at the end of the year not in a championship not even in a in a in a position to win to play for a championship then that is not an accomplishment and so that's the standard that has been set now is that nine and three ten and three those are are our best years um and anything less than that is you know that's like when when you start that's when jim harbaugh is like oh yeah we had a tough year we went eight and four instead of nine and three you know like i i don't know yeah in the press conference after the game i guess he was saying like we need to reevaluate everything like every facet of this program. I hope that that's the kind of thing he's reevaluating, right?

What standard am I setting for my coaches? What standard are those coaches setting for the players? Because evidently that bar needs to be raised way higher. To me, a lot of it is just seeing that these players couldn't give two shits about playing for the coaches they it's there's i watch wisconsin that are they like i i even i i was watching tom allen yesterday indiana's head coach versus michigan state these guys are obviously they had a good game and they're they're rolling you, top 10 team in the nation, 4-0, all this stuff. But he's like hugging his guys.

He's, you know, jumping up, going crazy. It looks like those players love to play for him. And they're there and they're like, this is our leader. We believe in what he's doing. I don't think, even in 2018 i'm not sure that everyone's believing in what jim harbaugh is selling as far as the players go and so i want to see a player's coach out there sometime i i look at juwan howard and i know that every single one of those guys loves him he's like one of the boys like on a saturday night they're probably

hanging out with juwan howard at the crib like playing ncaa playing you know fortnight whatever they're doing and like it's just the disconnect there from jim harbaugh to his players is so apparent and i it's that's what's more concerning than just like talent development and all that stuff. Because you can be a great X's and O's guy, which I still believe Jim Harbaugh is. He has shown that he knows how to play the game of football. But it's when it's you when you're not getting the best out of your players. That's where it's the bigger problem, especially at the college level when it's 18- to 22-year-old guys. In the NFL, those guys are responsible for themselves.

Those players are responsible for themselves. And you're trying to put them in an X's and O's position to win. But at the college level with these younger guys, you have to mold their minds and have them play for you. And I want a player's coach. So fuck it. Jim Harbaugh, you're out in my mind. We need to go find somebody out there who's going to have their guys playing for them. And I think something where – and I'm still not on the get Harbaugh out of town.

I think there can be smaller changes made where he can regain the trust of his team and and you know all that all that shit so let me put you guys in a scenario let's say i mean if i was a player on that defense and we're continuing to get burned and burned and burned every game and you know feeling like we're not being set up for success with the plays that we're running or what it may be if if my head coach was like you know what fuck this I'm sick of seeing you guys taking all this shit not being able to produce because of you're not being set up for success I'm getting rid of this fucking defensive coordinator and we're gonna bring somebody else

in to help you guys out I mean I'd be like be like, hell yeah, let's go. I can rally around. I can rally back around this coach. And let's put some faith in some other guy. There's things that can happen this season to get these guys, you know, feeling good again. And get some sort of momentum. And the recruits, too. And the recruits, 100%. I mean, even watching the game last night.

If that would have been Milton who went on a drive that Cade McNamara had. Where he had those four beautiful passes to get a touchdown and a two-point conversion, did you see how hyped those players got around him? Yeah. And Mikey Samer still? I mean, if Milton did it, I think they'd be glad they scored, but you don't see that level of excitement. The momentum was there. The momentum was there to get guys feeling like they're going in the right direction. They still could have lost that game, but if you're pushing a little bit and make a little bit of moves, it's almost like that Penn State second half we saw last year. Momentum is being gained and changes are happening and you can feel good going into the next week.

So, I mean, I think there's little changes that can be made. I think moving forward, McNamara is going to be the starter. And I think if you get rid of don brown i think that brings a little bit more of you know hey we can we can gain some momentum here at least the guys can feel good about going out to play and not feeling like oh shit well let's get shit on again you know and just have a shitty fucking week you know i think there's little things that can happen that can get this program feeling good again to get the fan base feeling good again and then start looking towards 2021 that's a great point actually jack because after that kade mcnamara drive the defense was a little bit more fired up and they even came out playing just better all around right and then we

fucking run into the kicker and then it's like don't even get me started on running into the kicker that is what are you when you're down fucking 30 points. And I see that side of it too. Yes. Yes. Yeah. I mean, there was momentum. Like, okay, I'm with you and I'm going to go with your point here.

Offense was had momentum. Defense stopped them. Don't even fucking go for the block. Just play punt, punt, punt return. Don't let him get a first down get him off the field let the offense keep rolling but i'm gonna go off on this running into the kicker penalty for a fucking second if a quarterback is in the action of throwing a ball even after he releases it of a blind man or whoever can still hit him you're telling me a

kicker can't get fucking hit when he's still up in the air after kicking the ball it's the biggest joke of a call and a joke of a penalty of a rule i've ever seen this is fucking football this is football kickers bro i don't care they're football players if they if they can't get hit take them out of the fucking game i don't care i i literally couldn't like that makes me so fucking mad i i like i'm not gonna disagree with you i don't care i i literally couldn't like that makes me so fucking mad i i like i'm not gonna disagree with you i don't disagree either it's like roughing the kicker i get it keep it it's a different penalty right but running into the kicker you're giving no you're you're basically saying don't block the ball yeah you should really just dress up the kicker in a big dress yeah why even put pads on him if you can't get fucking hit i agree

because yeah the it really is the only shot for you to to block it is to have a perfect thing where you get in front of the ball and hit it hit the ball and then hit them because if you're blocking a punt you're almost always going to hit the kicker after right 100 and so you have to touch the ball otherwise you're going to run into themer after right 100 and so you have to touch the ball otherwise you're going to run into them um but i understand like okay you had a touchdown you're trying to make a play if you're like going for it uh you know obviously if they block that it's like a big momentum thing but you just got them off like nothing has gone right for you all game and so you just you finally get this wisconsin team off the field

after they've fucking scored 38 straight points whatever they did and like you have a quarterback that just threw four went four for four drove them down three beautiful passes like get some momentum like be smart a little bit of up from this coaching staff i i i it blows my mind man like you're overthinking these things it's the same thing with running a fucking shotgun on the six inch line it's the same thing with with running a wildcat formation and having hassan haskins throw the ball on the goal line you know two weeks ago you're're overthinking. Just play fucking football. Yeah. Go ahead, Cale.

Well, I was going to say I feel like that comes back to coaching a little bit, right? Because the special teams coordinator is Jay Harbaugh, who I'm sorry, I've actually heard some good things about Jayay harbaugh as a running backs coach and he has had a lot of success recruiting right zach charbonnet and blake coram but as far as i know jay harbaugh never played football and what would you just learn through osmosis and become a great coach he would not have a job if his last name wasn't Harbaugh. Let's be honest. This is nepotism. Get out of there and hire a real coach. And with this, too, I mean, football's a team fucking game, right?

If you're the special teams coordinator, it seems like they're like, you know what, guys? This is our time. Let's go fucking make a big play. It's like, no, hey, guys, let's set up the offense. Just had a huge drive last last drive with Cade got a whole lot of momentum defense made a fucking three and out I think the only one all game let's just let's have a good punt return don't even go for the block don't need any penalties let's get the ball and let the offense do their thing right I mean what a fucking just I'm 100% with you guys what a what a fucking joke terrible play call

you're not setting the team up for success there and and like you said i think you said this uh earlier kaylin but why is jim harbaugh not hearing that on his headset yes we're going for the putt block and saying no no we're not yeah no we're fucking not. Same thing with running Joe Milton in the shotgun on the six-inch line. If he hears Josh Gaddis call that play, why does he not jump in and say, hey, let's run it under fucking center, dude. Like, I mean, it comes back to me. Like, every single thing comes back to Harbaugh for me.

And like you said, Jack, I hate to shit on him for everything because you can only control so much um but like there's these things where if you're the head coach you make the final decision and if you're you're setting yourself there were so many times where like this unit would make a mistake or things would go wrong and the camera would pan to jim harbaugh and he's just like looking up at the scoreboard looking around like with no no like he's like oh that was weird that didn't work huh you know and i'm just like dude what are you where are where's your head well i i don't i can't even get the words out. I'm like speechless here because he just looks so lost. And I'm like, you're a good football coach.

You know what's going on. You've done this before how many times. Why can't you put this together? Sorry. Any questions? No answers. I'm not even like asking questions. I'm like ready to break shit. I have no answers i'm not even like asking questions i don't i i'm i'm like ready

to break shit like i have no answers either i i want to say i'm so numb to all of this and i i am at times and then like i start thinking about it and i'm just like dude i just want to fucking punch my my wall right now well let's let's bring it back to some positives here bright spot number two what do you guys think about kate mcnamara why not yeah yeah he dude he came out there he threw like four dimes like you said i mean you didn't do as well in the second uh second but but the thing that i noticed more than anything was his confidence on these throws it's not like he had huge windows he was like you know what i'm gonna trust that receiver i trust my arm that i can get it in the right spot and they'll be able to make a play and it happened four fucking straight times that was the thing too right he gave him he gave the receivers an opportunity to make a play yep love to see that

100 but didn't you see the same thing from joe milton in week one he had so much cop you didn't see that confidence oh confidence wise yeah yeah i mean in one like that not i mean being able to throw a deep ball and fucking get it i mean well that's a dude how many how many deep balls is he gonna overthrow man like fuck man blake quorum's like why is the fucking i could have i was telling him before we got on i could have thrown that ball on my well i couldn't do it but milton could have thrown that ball a mile fucking high let it sit up there for 10 seconds and quorum could have sat in the end zone with nobody around him and still fucking caught it like just set your receiver up to be able to catch the fucking ball man and that's that's on him that is 100 on him dude i actually i put a lot of that

on the coaching staff how because okay here you go joe milton out of high school his completion percentage is 47.4 in high school so you knew you were getting a guy who was super inaccurate but you thought you said i am a great football coach i can make this guy accurate you can make guys accurate it's not even a tough throw though that's what i'm saying i'm literally he could have thrown he could have fucking kicked the ball if you wanted it to and done better i mean throwing it left-handed it was uh i'm wide open i agree with jack here dude like the coaching staff set that play up perfectly right like what more can you ask for i under i'm not going to excuse his his mistake on the field but

i'm saying that how can you have this guy who we already knew he was inaccurate right how did you and you you mean to tell me you spent two years working on accuracy with this guy? And then you said his accuracy has improved so much. Sorry, Dylan McCaffrey, you're going to not start. And then you put this guy in and this is what we get. I'm just like, what are you what have you been doing for two years? I agree with that take. I agree with that. I was going to say to that point, I'm you to that point i'm with you if if that if that's the

case and they're you know they're like well shit his accuracy still is a problem mccaffrey should have been the guy or mcnamara should have been the guy right i mean like that makes no sense yeah how my question how bad was dylan mccaffrey if he wasn't going to win the starting job here? I don't even think it was. It had to have been some sort of favoritism, man. I don't know. I don't know what it is because we saw McCaffrey. We've seen McCaffrey.

We saw him enough to know what we're going to get out of him. And it was much better than what we saw, what we saw the first three games out of Milton. And again, I love the guy. I think he's super talented. But I just don't. He just doesn't. There's something missing. And McCaffaffrey I think Michigan would have been a better team under McCaffrey right now how have you not been working on accuracy like hardcore

for two years people work on accuracy all the time pitchers QBs people shooting rifles and arrows you can improve your accuracy. You mean to tell me that this Joe Milton is that much better than Joe Milton as a freshman? We're not even asking him to throw a dime there. That's got to be the easiest pass ever, man. How many times have you all thrown that pass in the backyard? We're not asking him to throw it into a bucket. We're asking him to throw it into a big-ass fucking swimming pool.

I'm just like, the inability to put touch on the ball downfield, it's inexcusable to me. And that's why he has to be the number one guy moving forward in my head. Andalari season, baby. Hey, my boy if we if we somehow see he did get some camera time if we somehow see like dan valari getting a real pt this year i'm gonna go fucking nuts i'm gonna go fucking i'm gonna go dude. I think we're not far away, man. We really are. We're really not. First rounder. How would you, like...

It's so unexplainable. Thinking back to those podcasts when we were talking about him, obviously joking and sarcastic, and now we're actually here where where she's like one play away from actually being the starting quarterback yeah i mean seriously you think they'd put joe back in if kate got hurt legitimately do you think i don't i mean i don't know but like fuck it why not just throw whoever out at this point i'm like at this point if i'm the coaching staff you have to just be like every single position is up for grabs 100 if you don't if you don't show out this week in practice you're done

i'm sitting you i'll play any fucking freshman that has never touched the field before and just see what what happens because yeah what do you have to lose it's fucking rutgers we're probably gonna be like favored to lose i was just i was gonna send out a tweet this morning but i was like you know what i'm gonna keep my mouth shut but i mean do you think rutgers might be favored next week i mean these are two bad teams right like uh so the only they were playing really well but they lost to illinois this week oh yeah god awful yeah so if they were if they would have came out and beat illinois like i thought they would um then yes i do think it would either it would either be like michigan minus like

two or three or something or ruckers like i don't know um i dude that's gonna be so embarrassing that line coming out um if ruckers I mean it'll be a single digit line no matter no matter which way it goes that's the crazy thing who would have thought that who would have thought and the worst part is that game is fucking 7 30 again it's we're on prime time again for that game we can't even like get a noon game where we people get it over with yeah get it over with like oh my god it's so brutal i i got it i got a good question because we've just we're now you know we're we're we're ranting it's rambling yeah which is whatever but um why does so rick the rick 3745 on twitter asked us why does there seem to be no consequences for mistakes made on the field drops penalties etc play guys that want to be out there and play smart

do you agree with that or and do you have a response i mean i think goes back to what said earlier right it's holding your team accountable hold the guys accountable if you're not holding the guys accountable, then they're just going to continue to make mistakes and know that they're going to play. It's a fucking joke. It's something, like I said, I don't want to put it all on Harbaugh,

but ultimately it comes down to him. It starts at the top. If you don't have leadership and you don't have somebody holding you accountable, nothing's going to change. Yeah. I mean, I 100% agree with you. I mean, maybe there's like one or two examples where like you know eric all dropped something and then they put in eubanks but i mean i i don't know but then

eubanks drops it so i understand that part where they're like okay we can put in other guys but they're all gonna suck you know like i they're probably feeling pretty fucking helpless at this point um but also like i go back and this this may have been a myth but like growing up when michigan had jason avant mario manningham braylon edwards like those stud receivers the the whole i remember people saying like at michigan in practice if you drop if you drop a ball you have to like run a mile or something like that maybe it was a myth but that was the standard like that that was the case the accountability of lloyd carr and bo schembechler and all the you know gary moeller like it was to that level where like if you drop the football then you're running and it's and you will be

taken out if you have a false start on the offensive line pulled immediately and you will get a new guy in there and you can come back to the next series after you sit down and think about what you did and yeah and even if and to that point even if you don't have depth then whatever put them on the sideline who cares this is what you just did to your team, and I want you to watch it. Exactly. And, yeah, you watch that next guy come in there, get absolutely blown up, and a sack comes. And seriously, I'll take that sack so that you know that what you just did

is unacceptable. You're fucking your team. Yep. Yeah. And so when this shit – like last week against Indiana, not once did any of those guys that jumped off sides get benched. None. There's no consequences. It's it's pat on the back. Do better next time, buddy. And we're to that point where it's just like fucking like I don't want to be this guy but like it's like participation trophies it's like the snowflakes it's like the like i mean it doesn't seem that way though like it's like we're just happy to be out there you know and if things don't go our way well you know what

there's a game next week and we'll try and do better uh instead of just not being accountable and saying guys guys, this is unacceptable what's happening right now. And that's something too. I mean, college football, it's not that type of game. You can't just let things slide like that. You lose one game, you're out of the playoff picture pretty much, especially in the, you know, in the big 10. And if you can't beat Ohio state and the NFL, you know, it's a little bit different and at least they're getting on their guys, but they, there's a little bit different. And at least they're getting on their guys. But there's 16 teams going to the playoff.

And they're out of 32 teams. I mean, you can be middle of the road and make the fucking playoff in the NFL. In college, you got to be a top four team. You can't let shit like that slide. And if you do, it's just going to continue to grow and grow and fester and not just be taken care of. And then that's how you end up in this position, man. Accountability.

I mean, you guys nailed it on the head, man. That's the biggest thing that needs to be taken care of. And then that's how you end up in this position, man. Accountability. I mean, you guys nailed it on the head, man. That's the biggest thing that needs to be taken care of. Yeah. I was laughing because I was telling Steph earlier, I feel like this season I've been going through the seven stages of grief, right? Like we lost to MSU and I was like in denial, like this can't happen. And then we lost to Indiana and I'm like guilty. Like what did we do what

did i do right and now we've just had this debacle against wisconsin and i'm just angry i'm like what the fuck uh it's it's really funny that you say that because last night jacqueline texted me at 8 17 so it was probably like the second quarter or something and she said hi are you doing okay and i said i said i'm fine i don't care anymore she said that's the fifth phase of depression so yeah we're all in the same boat dude it's like it's just it's it's brutal And you know what's frustrating to me is hearing Joel Klatt and Kirk Herbstreit last night that are just dumbfounded. They don't have the answers. Nobody understands. Obviously, we don't have the answers.

I recorded with Spath this morning. He doesn't have the answers. Nobody knows what the fuck is going on and that's like if there was like a couple things you could pinpoint and be like i think that you know if we improve this michigan could be in a position to win a bunch of football games i'd be like all right i can deal with that let's make a few changes at this point you just have to blow the whole thing up because nobody fucking has a clue what's going on. Yeah, and I mean going back to Urban Meyer's kind of rant, he said there's not – and he said it about the coaches as well.

He's like there's no bad coaches and there's no bad players. Either there's a lack of trust, a lack of accountability, or something else. I mean these are good players, guys. They're good athletes. They came to Michigan for a reason, and they got that opportunity for a reason. Get rid of the coach. I'm sorry, Don Brown. I mean, you're still a good coach, but you're not doing it well at Michigan.

And let somebody else get in there. There's still athletes on the field, and they can make plays. But something's got to change. Yeah, I'm with you. You have, like... change yeah i'm with you i you you have like oh they're i i'm so scared that no changes are going to be made though aren't you the sad thing the sad thing is that now i actually have a little bit of hope for at least ruckers because i think mcnamara is going to get the start and he's going to get an opportunity and he showed I mean he showed some talent last night

so like that's the thing that's sad for me is I still have hope so I'm ready to be hurt again that's the worst part you're a fucking moron I'm an idiot I'm just waiting for Dan Villari to get in man start that Heisman campaign

oh man did you guys feel like Kirk Herbstreet and Chris Fowler were just, like, at a roast? Oh, yeah. 100%. 100%. I'm gonna make that our new logo for Blue by 90. It's right there.

Dude, they were just talking so much shit. I felt like when the cameraman zoomed in on the kid doing the surrender cobra i was like what why do we even put that in here man come on i i couldn't agree more like that i mean how did they allow that in the stadium i i i've been talking to jatlin it's her fault obvious 100 her fault apparently somebody bought it i'm like you can say no you know yeah you can say no.

You can say no. It's not like I can send a dick pic in and fucking pay 75 bucks and get it out of the cap. They're going to be like, sorry, we can't allow this in here. Exactly. Bro, at that point, you're roasting yourself. You're setting yourself up for the jokes. Oh, yeah. But yeah, Herbstreet and Fowler last night were just like, in the second half, it was just like, ha, everybody, look how bad Michigan is.

Dude, they were running out of shit to talk about. They were just going like, look at Kyle Trask at Florida. It's like, oh, yeah, all right. Yeah, I mean, they had no, again, Herbstreet was just like, I can't believe this is Michigan, and we're in Michigan Stadium right now watching this team. And so let's end it with this. Well, actually, I have two things. First of all, tell me how – and this – we're going to just keep ranting, I guess, about the coaching staff and about the preparation.

But, like, tell me how Wisconsin Wisconsin who hasn't fucking practiced in, in, you know, however many weeks, Graham Mertz didn't even know what he was playing, you know, all this stuff. And they haven't played since what's the date?

Probably like October 20, October 17th. I think opening weekend, whatever opening weekend was 24th, October 24th, 23rd. Cause they they played on a Friday. That's right. They have not played since October 23rd,

and they still came out so crisp like they had been just rolling, and Michigan looked like they hadn't played since last year. How does that happen when it's actually the opposite? Culture. Program culture. I've said 100%. last year how does that how does that happen when it's actually the opposite culture program culture i've said 100 nobody fucking wanted to be there on michigan's team last night no i didn't want to watch it i don't blame them like i don't blame you i would i would fuck man all right so i'll end it with this question because i saw this on twitter last night and i think it's it's a it's a crazy crazy question but it's very valid

if jim harbaugh is gone at the end of this year does he leave michigan's program in a better spot than when he got here yeah i think so i mean at least there was some resemblance of winning right i mean he he won he averaged what nine ten wins a year better than fucking five that is a great question honestly because i i think it you it is easy to get caught up in like recent you know mediocrity this year but jack's 100 right i mean we are have at least been semi-competitive on a national level right i mean we've been in the top 15 we've been in the top three since harbaugh's been here so so I think he's leaving it in a better place than where it was when he arrived and also when we look at coaching changes at least at least

the last two Brady Hoke's first year clearly there needed to be a culture change from Rich Rod to Brady Hoke the team goes 11 and 2 and wins a BCS bowl game Harbaugh's first year you know Brady Hoke must have been burnt out something wasn't working culture change they go they get 10 wins and you know win a bowl game maybe it's the same thing I mean and and at least there's the talent levels at a better place than when I think um or probably pretty similar to when Harbaugh got there just based off of some of the yeah he had some good talent so I mean it could be a thing where it's like a culture change you bring in the right guy get the team motivated get the team built around him and they have a good year next year maybe that's all it takes i i think i agree with you

guys i think he does leave it in a better in a better spot but like the fact that we're even asking that question is fucking wild dude yeah fucking wild because i mean he's paid seven like i hate to keep going back to like how much he's paid but like he's paid seven million dollars a year eight million dollars a year whatever like he was his the whole point he was a home run hire he was the guy there was no better hire and and i still believe that at the time. It's not like they shouldn't have hired him. Because it still was the most obvious choice ever.

And they should have paid him what he did. It just hasn't worked out. But, like, it's just the fact that we're going to compare Jim Harbaugh in year six in 2020 to Brady Hoke in year five is like the fact that the comparison is even close is fucking wild. Yeah. So

yeah. Alright. Do you want to leave it at that? I'm fucking depressed. Basketball season starts in two weeks or something. I can't fucking wait for that. Basketball school the football problem yeah number one class number one class in the country hockey hockey just won eight to one yesterday and they play arizona state again tonight so yeah we're a hockey school too yeah we're gonna have to get some hockey people on here bring the bring the morale up around this uh podcast Should we just start talking about our hobbies or favorite movies? I could always use some good movie recommendations.

Yeah, I need to talk about something else. Otherwise, I'm going to kill myself. Jeez. All right. Sorry. That's a good way to end it here i'm not gonna actually hang myself i promise guys so that's how he's gonna do it too holy crap i've already got it planned out dude it's only 10 30 in the morning this is way too early to be

i know i'm sitting here with a headache and it's like half from uh the beer last night and half from just talking about Michigan football and thinking about it. So, hey, the sun came up. It's Sunday. It's like the shittiest day ever out too, which is just like everything just keeps coming up us. Everything is just like pouring down on us so um follow us at blue by 90 on twitter instagram and facebook at blue by 90 podcast on youtube and uh yeah we'll uh we'll have some some other guests hopefully here coming up um to and we'll try and liven it up a little

bit we can we can pivot here and you know fuck michigan football we can just like figure out how to be entertaining on here because i i feel like we're pretty funny sometimes i just i just like pictured when you said pivot just like ross and friends pivot pivot yeah we'll figure it out i i will figure out our podcast before Michigan football figures out how to win a fucking football game. Hot take. So, yeah, let's go with the zero to 90. Kalen, you want to start us off, or do you want to end it? I mean, I'll go first if you want.

Like I said, flaming hot. Love it. All right. Kalen, your zero to 90 starts now. All right. Cradle of quarterbacks. Ohio it. All right. Kalen, your 0-90 starts now. All right. Cradle of quarterbacks. Ohio State. Justin Fields.

Dwayne Haskins. Joe Burrow, right? We know that they can develop quarterbacks even if you're not even starting. So Joe Milton didn't work out at Michigan. Transfer to Ohio State. Even if you don't start, they will teach you to be a good quarterback. And then you can wait in the wings for your chance to start, come out, and beat Michigan by 1,000.

It's not even a hot take. That's just facts. Just big facts there. Big facts. Facts, no printer. I mean, if you're J.J. McCarthy, what the fuck are you thinking right now? Like, if I'm him, I'm like, hey, mom, dad, I don't think I should go to Michigan because they literally suck so bad and they've never had a good quarterback.

Chad fucking Henney. I think J.J. McCarthy legitimately believes he can be the savior of Michigan football. I think it's a legitimate belief that he has. Otherwise, why would he be coming? Maybe that's the level of positivity we need. I have no idea. So true. If Donovan Edwards has that same thought, that'd be fucking sick.

Yeah. I agree. I agree. All right, Jack, you ready? You got something for us sure i'll throw something together i got i yeah let's get it rolling jack you're zero to 90 starts now i don't know if this is much as much of a hot take or if it's just facts but somebody needs to be gone before next game somebody needs to be gone

tomorrow fucking morning to give this team some sort of hope for the remainder of the season. I agree. How do you not? How do you walk into next week and say everybody in this building gives us the best chance to win a football game on Saturday? I mean, I don't even have confidence we can beat rutgers how how is the team gonna have confidence they can even beat a fucking rutgers team if nothing changes you can't you can't you can't so all right here's the real your zero to 90 has to be happy good luck it doesn't have to be i don't care you could you could just sign off and kick us all out if you want just end it end the podcast right there your zero to 90 starts now click oh man um i got nothing fucking positive i'm literally trying to wrap my brain and think

i got nothing i mean i can talk about basketball so all right go for it all right row your zero to 90 starts now all right basketball actually i'll i'll talk positive about basketball because we have basketball's in a position where they are not expected to be very good by a lot of people out there like espn and everybody else they have them like ranked uh fifth or sixth in the big ten so basketball has the chance to exceed expectations which is something we've never seen the football team do before so there's a chance where we have going into the season. People are very excited about Michigan basketball, but the expectations are kind of like middle of the pack still.

So if Franz Wagner is he's six foot ten now, he literally grew two inches over the at 19 years old. He grew two inches, which is I don't know how that works, like with the human body and anatomy, but it's pretty cool. old he grew two inches which is i don't know how that works like with the human body and anatomy uh but it's pretty cool um so so if him if he's as good as advertised where he's actually better than isaiah livers uh and i'm gonna you can't stop me from talking i'm gonna go past like 90 seconds whatever here he's got uh if they're as good as they as advertised if hunter dickinson's a stud like they have a chance to to exceed expectations and actually compete in a league

where every single – the winning – the Big Ten champ is probably going to have like four or five losses on the year in the Big Ten. Everyone's going to beat up on each other. So they got a chance to come out and surprise people, and it would be sick if they did so um i'm at this point the basketball team has to uh i don't want to put it all on them but like for us to be happy and about michigan athletics at all this basketball team has a lot of pressure on them so but i think that they can do it i think in recent memory they've always they've always exceeded expectations

so i'm with that. I love the positivity. Got me feeling good at the end of this episode. Love it. Things are looking up for Michigan here. All right. You can follow us. I already said it. Follow us.

Well, at least on Twitter, like, I promise you it'll be funny. Oh, yeah. It's not going to be – be well it'll be depressing a little bit because i'll just call out like how the stats that are so bad and probably some uh some film on there on my own twitter and blue by 92 but like we'll at least make memes and gifs and stuff like that so you can follow us on there that'll be fun so all right um i will talk to you later this week i think we'll we'll try to have a guest or something on. We'll try to do something different and have some fun. So see you guys all next week.

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