Blue By Ninety - CONNOR MULDOWNEY TAKES SPARTANS +22.5

Episode Date: October 27, 2022

The boys are joined by our favorite Spartan and co-worker with the Full Ride Network, Connor Muldowney. Crack a cold one and enjoy the show.

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I know. I'm going to actually start it. You're going to cut the front of this i probably won't all right welcome back to blue by 90 i'm justin joined by jack and caitlin as always and we have i i want to say a special guest but like you know maybe maybe not this week because he is a Sparty um he I would like to call him a friend uh but maybe not this week uh it is Connor Muldowney from Spartan Shadows uh Connor how we doing today we're uh we're hanging in there you know we got a fun a fun game ahead of us I can't wait I can't wait to see what we do.

I'll be honest, man. I'm a little bit jealous because, like, not – Obviously, you look at the records of both teams, right? And, you know, for you guys, I'm not trying to say this in a derogatory fashion. This is your Super Bowl, right? Like, you guys win this game. You're like, I'm set for the season. I'm good.

And you're going to party your face off, like, after that game. For us, it's like, yeah, you're like, I'm set for the season. I'm good. And you're going to party your face off after that game. For us, it's like, yeah, you're supposed to and we still have to kind of wait to really enjoy it. I don't know where I was really going with that, but that's kind of where my head was going and I'm just going to wait for your response here. I normally hate the Super Bowl comment, but when we're three and four and we're really just kind of trying to play to get into a bowl game, I will absolutely treat this like a super bowl and if we win i will act like i won the super bowl and i will probably just won't stop talking until basketball we didn't you have every reason you know to chirp

i saw somebody who was it was it a chillin damos or somebody else and i gotta hedge i gotta hedge myself emotionally. Just put $10 on Sparty to win. If they do, whatever. Will that money make you happy, though? It will. It will make me happy. It'll even me out. It'll even me out.

What I'm thinking is, it'll pay my bar tab to make, to fool me. I'll just black out and be like, the game was never even played. And then the next day, you have no money and Michigan still lost.

But I won't, yeah. You won't be in debt. That's all that matters. Yeah. Okay. All right. We're going to jump right into this. I think because the way I see this into this, I think, because the way I see this, and I swear to God this is how I feel almost every year,

but it's definitely the case this year as well. It's a no-win situation for Michigan still. And, like, even if Michigan – the only way that this is like a, you know, total 100% dub for Michigan is if it's like a 44-10 game like it was in 2019. You have to beat the shit out of Michigan State, do it in like epic fashion. When you're this big of favorites, when you're 0-2 against Mel Tucker and you need, like, Michigan just has to make sure there is absolutely nothing

that MSU can say coming out of this game. Connor, do you guys have shitty fans like Justin who think that way too? I think a W is a W. You definitely have fans like that, but I get 100% where he's coming from. Like, Michigan State's playing with nothing to lose.

Even if we lose this game, we're a bad team. We can just chalk it up to being bad and then Mel Tucker still has a winning record. I mean, that's... He's saying if Jim Harbaugh loses and goes 0-3 after losing to this team, what's the narrative then?

I honestly don't know. I don't know what gets said. I'm going to say I don't think Michigan loses this game, but I think if they win by a fucking field goal, great. That's still a monkey off of Harbaugh's back. Well, here's the thing, though. If you read Roe is 100% right because if Michigan wins by a field goal, you're just going to hear all your state friends go like, wow, you couldn't even beat us when you were 20-point favorites.

I don't care. It's still a win. You're in the minority by a thousand i think in that sense but okay so put it like i know michigan state's like our third or fourth rival right like let's say you put you know ohio state and you beat them for the first time with a new head coach by three you're that's a different story right you're like okay they beat ohio state right i know again it's you know third fourth fifth place rival it's it changed it a little bit but i'm satisfied

if we just found out who runs the go blue jabo account that's my burner i could tell okay yeah that i mean how okay let's flip it around and I Connor I want to hear from you from your side as the like kind of like you said nothing to lose situation where obviously you're super disappointed with how the first seven games have went there's no like going around that because you went into this year with pretty high expectations i would say coming off of last year's season but like where we're at now uh 26 you know like this in my head like you really do have nothing to lose because you know even if you lose this game oh yeah michigan you're 21 point favorites you're supposed to win by a billion right i mean i will run with whatever narrative i see fit so if we if michigan state covers the spread then you know i'll be i'll be i'm not gonna be happy like losing to

michigan i don't care if we lose by field goal or lose by 21 28 whatever whatever everybody's predicting it's gonna be um it still sucks and it's still like bragging rights i still have to hear about it for another year. Even if we won, we'd still hear like, well, we're going to a New Year's Six Bowl and you guys are playing for the Motor City Bowl. It's just like, it's kind of a lose-lose for both sides in a way. Like we win.

Hold on. You could just describe the entire rivalry. The rivalry is a lose-lose. It really is. No matter what happens, one side is always talking shit to the other, and the other side is always dishing it back. I see my own Michigan State fans using terrible, terrible arguments in certain areas, using just the past 14 years.

But then I saw BB, who's your guy yeah and he did yeah since um what was it since shem beckler was hired but if you don't count the terrible years like michigan holds like what are we doing it's both sides doing that all the time and it's just backing their narrative yeah but at least for you guys, like, you can fall back on, like, I know this is kind of how I act in basketball season, but it's hard for me because the last two years, like, even if Michigan loses to Michigan State in basketball season, I became like, oh, yeah, we're a football school

because we lost to Bell Tucker twice. Like, for you guys, I'm like, oh, we're a fucking basketball school. Who cares? Like, you can just kind of, like, dust it off your shoulder, right? Or are you more of, like like a heavy football guy than basketball i'm i'm like fairly even when it comes to that like obviously most spartes are like heavy basketball like we've always been football fans like the michigan narrative is there was no michigan state fan before 2008 which is wrong because i suffered through the john l smith and the, we weren't loud because we, we were so bad.

You were like us in the rich red era. Yes. I think, I think like you definitely found those fans. Like there really was, I remember growing up in grand Rapids. Like there really were Michigan. There were kids that were like, yeah, I'm a Michigan football fan and a Michigan, like that was Michigan State basketball fan.

Like that, which a you're the worst human being alive. You're literally the worst human being alive if you're that person. But I think that was way more common when we were growing up. Now that those people don't really exist because MSU obviously has had the better of Michigan, you know, for the past 14 years, I guess, is the, you know, the timetable that we all want to, you know, go by. Which makes total sense. Round, even number, you know. It's a fair timeline.

They usually measure everything in 14s. Yeah, I agree. I agree. So, I think, like, I don't know. I agree with you. It's a lose-lose. It's a terrible rivalry that is – this is, like, I don't know. I agree with you. It's a lose-lose. It's a terrible rivalry that is – this is like – I don't even know how to describe the Michigan-Michigan State rivalry.

I love it so much, but hate – I love when, you know, the day after. But like you said it best, Connor, before we – when we win, right. Yeah. No, yeah, obviously. But you said it best, Connor, before we – when we win, right. Yeah. No, yeah, obviously. But you said it best, Connor, before we started recording. Even when you're on the winning side, it's fucking exhausting. Yeah. It is because we said it before we started recording.

Like, even if Michigan wins this game on saturday it's still gonna be oh well you're one and two against tuck and you know blah blah blah and still the you know it's gonna be the just the last 15 years now is the is the narrative and like you know this it was the same way last year where it was 37 33 no but we're big 10 champs and like everybody's always got something to fucking say and it is absolutely exhausting we're like siblings who hate each other 99 of the time and then when an illinois fan talks it's like we all just jump on that's literally what we are we We're literally 99% hatred and 1% like. I love it. I will say Illinois fans becoming just like ridiculously annoying

in the past three years has really helped us come together. You know what they are? It's Illinois fans and Penn State fans that are just trying to be rivals with Michigan. I don't understand it. I don't get the Penn State thing. I don't get that. It came out of nowhere, I feel like.

Right. And they travel and they just have signs like everybody's like what is going on what are you doing yeah nobody gets it i can't imagine like traveling to saudi arabia with my michigan i hate michigan sign like imagine you're like that's the one thing i can't forget i let me forget my underwear before I get this sign. That's like me going to South Africa with a fuck Wisconsin. Makes no sense, yeah. Nobody knows what that means.

That makes no sense. I hate Jonathan Taylor. He knew basketball sucks. Okay, I have a few questions for you about Michigan State here Connor give us your honest opinion on Mel Tucker currently you probably want me to say something like we're backing off the hype which there are probably like older fans who are, you know, jumping off the bandwagon because they're impatient. And surprisingly it's the older fans who are like that instead of the younger

fans, which you would think is the other way around. But like, there's some, I think there's more to it than, than just not like, I don't know. I won't get into it anyway. I think, I think everybody's still kind of under the impression Like wait For him to like Not get his guys because he technically Has two classes right he's had

I'm not counting 2020 because those Were all D'Antonio recruits Oh we're not counting 2020 okay that's good No no no no Tyler Tyler Doing Thank you No, no, no. We're on the record. We got it. I'm out. I'm out. Tyler, behind the scenes doing a highlight. The 2020 class was signed before Tucker was hired.

So the 2020 class is not his guys. Okay. Fair? Fair. 2021 class, his guys. Mostly over Zoom. I'm not saying they don't count. Oh, okay. All right. It was a great class. 2022, his guys i'll mostly over zoom not i'm not saying okay all right class 2022 his guys they need to start producing next year so i think most of the fan base is under like the same branch where

we're expecting like a good bounce back from this we're not this is obviously it falls way short of expectations he kind of set himself back by winning 11 games last year which kind of like raised the expectations to an astronomical level way too quick haven't he's got a brady hoke type trajectory right now we're not the brady hope we're not we're not doing the brady hoke i'm just saying i'm just saying i mean brady hoke i don't think lost four games in the second year. It only fits because it's a stupid rivalry where someone has to be like someone else's rival in the past. It has to be a comparison.

It has to be a comparison. I mean, Brady Hoke did win a New Year's Six Bowl. That's all I'm going to say. So did Mel Tucker. Anyways. They are sitting there. Okay, perfect. In one way.

In one out of a million ways. Brady Hoke might be more fit, though. I think Brady Hoke might be more fit. Have you seen him now? We're still on the Tucker train. He's a good recruit. He's a better recruiter than D'Antonio ever was. I don't think that's even a question.

No question. No question. Fire picks on Twitter. Yeah. It just comes down to, like, is he willing to make changes to his staff? And, like, I think this offseason, if he makes zero changes, I think you're going to see some people start turning. Like, Scotty Hazleton has a job still, which, like,

we're in the middle of the year. Like, you don't usually fire guys in the middle of the year. It's not – a lot of coaches don't like to go forward without someone meeting. So, for Michigan fans like me who just enjoy tailgating and don't really know much other than that, who is Scotty Higston? Is he the D.C.? He is the defensive coordinator. Okay.

But isn't Tucker coaching the DBs? He's the DBs along with Harlan Barnett, who I am also not super high on. Well, I can only imagine why. He's a Michigan State legend, which is like why – he was the DB coach when they had the no-flies on with Trey Waynes and Dark West and ours. So, like, everybody was kind of hoping that he was going to be like – Kind of carry it on. Yeah, but he just – it's been so disappointing.

So, he needs to make changes there, and I think the offense needs, like, some kind of, like, fresh face. Not necessarily firing the OC, but, like, just something. Like a passing game coordinator. Like, something. They just need something. I'm curious what you got on peyton thorn what's his deal because i feel like last year he was just balling but i honestly again i don't follow sparty football very much like is he having a bad year what's the deal he's had like a pretty rough year i think he's looked

off since since the first week like he just he was overthrowing guys by a mile the first couple weeks which was not something that he did last year he was overthrowing guys by a mile the first couple weeks which was not something that he did last year he was like pretty accurate even though his completion rate was around 60 something but he was he was fairly accurate he didn't make too many mistakes and he's just throwing bad picks i think he was playing hero ball so is there is there pressure from the backup i'm like aunt right likes to manufacture fake fake uh really competition in east lansing but no i don't tucker said it like multiple times that like thorn is his guy and thorn actually looked really good against wisconsin and he's he admitted before the wisconsin game that he's been playing with

an injury all year and he had surgery in the offseason so like he said it wasn't an excuse i i hate using that as an excuse because like what it is you're playing just just take a back seat until you heal up there's no excuse for that yeah um but if that's if he was playing injured like that's on the staff and him for not for kind of being selfish on that um but i like thorn i i've been a thorn like fan fan for over a year. I think it's pretty well documented. But he needs to be more like he was against Wisconsin and less like he has been against Minnesota.

I'll be honest too, man. In general, I'm a college football fan. I just love the game of college football compared to the NFL, whatever. And as a Michigan fan fan i loved peyton thorne last year outside of michigan versus msu like i thought he was like legit and then just to like see the random shit's going on out in east lansing right now i'm just like the fuck happened you know it was like a different quarterback so i mean the injury thing for me like obviously like put yourself in his shoes like he's not gonna be be like, hey, I'm not going to play.

How does it look to your teammates? But the coaches, they need to be like, all right, dude, if you're not healthy. You don't look right. Yeah. We're not going to put you in the situation where you need to make this decision. We're going to make it for you because that's our job. And they're not doing that. That's shitty, man.

Michigan has had the same thing a lot. Like with Shea, that happened for a good amount of that year. Kate even had some. Wilton Wilton Spate like you know I get it a lot of times I think there's like just so much more going into like making the quarterback change than like just throwing the ball you know and doing that like you're changing a lot and so um I don't know there there's gotta we see it happen a lot so there's there's something of consistency between like coaches across the country that see like i'm still gonna stick with my guy even though he's 75 or whatever he is rather than make it make a change i think that's kind of what like ruined brian lewerke's career like again we're working another guy yeah this is gonna

be fucking sweet yeah this kind of reminds me a little worky with lower he had that breakout year and then the next year he was hurt early in the season he just looked he looked so bad like he just he was afraid to take hits he wouldn't run anymore and he was known for that and that kind of reminds me what thorn's doing like they're gonna ruin his confidence by playing him through this injury where he's just throwing picks and like overthrowing guys and just he's you could tell he's not he's afraid he's like shying away from contact it's i don't know i i'm hoping that he's over whatever it was but that's kind of my take i still like thorn i think he's the best qb we have right now but if if he continues to struggle you just have to make it. I don't know. The tattooed guy is pretty swaggy, dude.

I think you got to give him a shot. No Kim season. Just for swag. Him and Tuck can put up some fire pics on Twitter and like MSU football can retweet it. Poking cigars together maybe. That'd be great. All right.

Let's talk about the running back situation. Obviously, Kenneth it moves on shout out to kenneth walker on killing it in the nfl now too like good for him seriously i mean still not as good as blake horn obviously but i mean it would you know you know it's a great comparison is a guy is a guy that is in the nfl um versus a guy that's in a senior in a rookie year in the nfl versus his senior year in college apples to apples apples to apples um one is playing behind like one of the top offensive lines in the in the country one is playing for a team that like just lost like everybody on their offense um so you know

things are yes everything's everything is all the it's great comparison but which is which now um yeah exactly um michigan or so michigan state's running back situation you know i think a lot of people thought that broussard and berger is a burger or berger burger i think burger um like a lot of people thought that that was going to be a pretty pretty dynamic duo you know i i actually did see this before the season with burger i was like he just doesn't have the i know kenneth walker's not like a giant guy but, he's just like a wide receiver type body more than a running back. And I don't know if Michigan state was going to be able to pound it with them. So, so yeah, it, anyways, I wanted to get your take on, on where,

where the issues you've seen in terms of like lack of production in this year. Well, I think that like now it's it's more obvious than ever that walker masks so many problems on our offensive line like our offensive line was so bad last year and walker tiptoed around defenders in the back it was just like insane what he did yeah and now we we have two guys like i don't think Berger and Bouchard are bad running backs. I think they actually could be good behind a decent line, but they're not built from the same cloth as Walker.

Are you concerned at all that you think Michigan State's coaching staff is so mediocre that you need to go to the transfer portal to find any talent? Is that what you're saying? I feel like that's what you're saying. You just didn't want to say it, so I said it for you. No, actually. They can't coach up players to play well.

They've got to find players that are already good. See, when you take over a roster. If you were Daryl Brooks, you'd be like, objection leading. When you take over a roster that Mark D'Antonio left, which was like FCS and MAAC talent. No offense to the playoff and won a rose bowl dude i hear you 2018 and 2019 and 2020 recruiting classes were some of the worst recruiting classes probably in the big 10 like they were probably number 11 or 12 in the big 10 you think think the Antonio was just like, fuck it. I'm out of here.

Like, I think the 2016 class scared the shit out of them. I think what happened with like getting all those high profile kids who, you know, probably thought that they were all, yeah. Yeah. And it backfired and it blew up in his face.

Like his best recruiting class ever. Just everybody was just in trouble. I wish Antonio would have gone gone to Eastern and just been a M.A.C. legend. He would have had a dynasty in the M.A.C. He would have been creating some M.A.C. team to be the

Cincinnati. Just an annoying team. Ipsy deserves a Natty. I don't know about that. Hey. Alright. Ipsy deserves a natty. I don't know about that. Hey, hey. All right.

So, all right, let's flip it to the Michigan side as well. What do you think – what would you rather see on Saturday? If these are your only two options, would you rather see J.J. McCarthy throw for like 350 yards and two or three touchdowns or something like that? Or would you rather see like the Penn State game 418 rushing yards and the running backs go off? If I had to choose – are you asking me if I had to choose? I'm asking you as the opponent. Oh, man. If I had to choose – are you asking me if I had to choose? I'm asking you as the opponent. As the opponent. Oh, man.

Well, because – okay, the reason I asked is because I've seen it on Twitter. Like I've seen people like – you know, this was the whole Penn State thing too. And obviously the Penn State thing, they thought they were like unreal going into the Michigan game talking a lot. That was sick. Dude, they were so sick. Their defense was the greatest team of all time. And then we just fucking

murdered them. But, like, you know, part of it, I've seen it from MSU, too. It's like, they're just like, we just can't let JJ beat us. Or we just can't let Blake beat us. You know, like, that was the whole Penn State thing. It was like, we just can't let Blake beat us.

And then, obviously. So, I'm we just can't let Blake beat us. And then, yeah, obviously. So I'm asking you what you would rather. Okay. You got to stack the box and force him to come off the kick. Honestly, I'd rather have JJ probably go off rather than getting chunked for 400 on the ground. Like, we don't really have a strength on defense. If anything is going to be called a strength,

it would probably be our run defense, even though it's probably like 60th or 70th in the nation or somewhere around there. It's top 100. What is it? It's top 100. That's good. It's definitely top 100.

I can guarantee that. But watch. I mean, like, the J.J. thing just wouldn't be a surprise. It can guarantee that. But watch. I mean, the JJ thing just wouldn't be a surprise. It would just be like, okay. Like Cade did it to us last year. Cade McNamara looked like CJ Stroud against us last year. And it was just like,

whatever. I'll tell you what. My biggest fear if I was in your shoes is, from personal experience, is Michigan coming out like Penn State did back in 2016 against Michigan at home and Saquon went off Trace McSorley had a big game like it was just bad I think Kalen Kalen and I were at skeeps watching the game and I was black out by the end of the probably halfway through the second quarter i'm gonna say i'm not walking this anymore this is bad this is bad that would be like worst case scenario for

this weekend i think for a spartan fan but but i'm with you i think if i was on your side of it i would or my side of it whatever i'd rather see you know get beat on a couple big plays from mccarthy than like the running backs just fucking going off. There's nothing more frustrating than getting chunked for 8-10 yards per carry. That just drives me insane. You know what's coming. Ohio State... It's not like it's just one big play too, right?

It's just like 10, 10, 10, 8. It's just like getting killed. The thing is though, I'll play devil's advocate a little bit because the narrative is that jj mccarthy still isn't like a great quarterback right so that's where like i think that spartans fans spartan fans would still have something to hang on to and be like you know what you ran for 400 on us but jj is nothing he hates shit you know i, you ran for 400 on us, but JJ's nothing. He ain't shit.

That would definitely be my narrative if that happened. I really hope Michigan destroys Sparty, and then you just write an article like, yeah, Michigan beat us, but we suck, so who cares? That might be in the works, honestly. I might pre-write that one. You get clicks. I think Blue by 90 would retweet it. I would have to write some ridiculous headline just to get clicks

from both sides after the game. I don't even know. Michigan State fans don't like to read after we lose games. Half of them don't know how to. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I'm a Walmart Wolverine. He throws a stone back don't know how to so you know i'm kidding i'm kidding walmart wolverine i'm you know he's a stone back in himself these are my people

i felt so bad after i said that just right away i'm just flat out no when it's in a joking manner like there are people who believe that it's just like a community like i've seen some people call it a community college online it's just like just shut just shut up dude like it's i i busted my ass to get into michigan state like you had to have like a three five or whatever i don't know what it was but like i busted my ass to get in there and like well that's the only reason like that i actually do get mad when it comes to the rivalry is like when people say that and they don't go to either one and they wouldn't have gotten into either one it It's just like, why are you talking? Like just go back to Full Sail University and like, just keep quiet.

Yeah. And it's a sporting event. Like people are obviously reaching at that point. Right. Right. Like, you know, I mean, you know, Ro and I both went to college in Ann Arbor and played, played athletics, you know, played, played the athletic sports of athleticism. We can say that. I can detect. He's just like, yeah, okay.

Holy shit. I tell you what, I want to say as the host of this podcast, it is very difficult to keep us on track here. Roe is just not fun to listen to, so it's hard. I agree with you, Roe.

You're right. It is hard to keep you on track. Yes, me. We're also getting close to the half hour point. Did you want to shut it down? Listen. All right. Shut the fuck up.

It was like 11.30 p.m. last last night and we had gotten good content so so connor this is why you need to come to the tailgate this weekend so clayton anderson who we had on our last podcast is i mean a cool story i've ever heard unbeknownst to me until he started talking is a fairly legitimate country star he was like casually name dropping fucking how he hangs out with pat mcafee justin timberlake derrick jeter um kid rock he kept calling kid rock bob and i'm like who the fuck is yeah that's my buddy like yeah we had like he like kept me up till 6 a.m one night just drinking i was gonna go home and and he made me stay.

I'm like, who are you? This is the guy that's performing at the tailgate this weekend. He's one of the coolest people I've ever met. If you do end up finding your way to Ann Arbor, you have a place to stay. If I find a way to Ann Arbor, it'll be a massive mistake on my part. He's wearing a costume. Dressed up as Michael Myers. Nobody will know who you are. I'm going to beer from new girl i'm already that's why i haven't

i keep telling justin he needs to see new girl he hates that shit don't even try to look at it no i know we're off track but justin idiot what an idiot i literally told him to watch new Girl because it's my favorite show. Oh, okay. I see how it is. It is. It's the best show of all time. Who's your favorite character in New Girl? Me? Anybody. All of you.

It's a time... Where's everybody from? I'm still young. I'm still young. You're on the top. I'm a big talk guy. The other reason why you need to come to the tailgate is because we are going to have the Twisted Tea truck at our tailgate on Saturday.

Big Twisted Tea guy. I may or may not be meeting up with a guy with some free Twisted Tea stuff for me on Friday. Wow. There, wow. You need the, the girls, the reps will be there at our, like the,

the district manager is going to be there on Saturday. If you need the hookup. So, do you know, we'll talk, we'll talk, I'll talk, I'll,

we'll talk offline. We will. So I, you know, we've got to plug the tailgate here. We've got Soaring Eagle Casino and the Michigan Sports Network that are coming in to sponsor the entire tailgate. As Jack said, we've got Clayton Anderson, country singer, coming in to perform as well.

Matt Shepard and Anthony Bellino are going to be there too. We've got Twisted Tea coming out. We've got 2,000 free drink tickets. That's wild. I thought it was probably 1,000. When did that get doubled? 2,000 drink tickets, 1,000 free tickets. I drink a lot of beer.

I'm a big drinking guy. Can we bubble that? Those are rookie numbers. Literally, I was like, Soaring Eagle was coming in. They were going to do 1,000 free drink tickets. And I called them. I was like, Soaring Eagle was coming in. They were going to do 1,000 free drink tickets. And I called them. I was like – And free food, right?

And free food. So Soaring Eagle is providing free food and free drinks. And then Twisted Tea, I called them and I was like, I'm worried that we're going to run out of drinks because it's going to be a hell of a day. And I was like, what can you guys come up with? And they're like, shit, we'll do another 1,000 free drinks. And so that was it.

The day was already going to be incredible. And then I think it was – did you tweet it from the Blue by 90 account, the weather? Yeah. Oh, my God. 65 and sunny. Are you kidding me? I mean, it's just a perfect fall day.

It gets better and better. I'm going to go shirtless, honestly. I'm going to play – oh, honestly. I'm going to play. Oh, no, that's Sunday. But I might go apple picking in the morning, get some cider, get some donuts, get my coffee. Maybe a little workout. Maybe play some pickleball.

Maybe some pickleball. And then go tailgate. I love some pickleball. I love that. Sounds like great. All right. So we'll count on seeing you there, Connor. That's exciting that you confirmed that you'll be there. Very excited.

Very excited. Very excited. Check my account there. Yeah. And the other thing is that we will be at HopCat on Friday night too. So we're going to do a live show Friday night from HopCat to talk Michigan, Michigan State, you know, get some – I think they're like – they're not that kind of fry anymore. Cosmo fries, I think they call them that.

Cosmo fries is what they're called now. Because God forbid you say crack. That makes me so fucking mad. We'll bleep that out. We'll bleep that out for sure. Crack. Tyler, are you taking notes on this? Drink some beers.

Do some giveaways. We've got $200 in gift cards to give away uh to uh to hopcat so is that where our money went okay wait are we drinking for free we we're not paying for drinks somewhere there right if we are then we're just using the gift cards okay that's what i was gonna say i'm like we can't be giving away gift cards and pay for our own drinks come on well i i think we're going on the budget here. My guy Craig there has got us hooked up. Are we going to Skeeps?

Right across the street? Craig Rowe is now the owner of HopCat, yes. No, dude. Skeeps Friday night. Come on. There's no Skeeps on Friday night. You got to know this. What do you mean?

Is there not? Why not? Dude, come on. I'm with Skeeps in like 10 years. Dude, Skeeps is like dead on Friday night. You got to know this. What do you mean? Is there not? Why not? Dude, come on. I'm just keeping like 10 years. I don't know. Necto Friday night is banging though. I'll get down on Necto. I've been there.

As an 18-year-old? Possibly. Possibly. As all of us were. Jesus Christ. Alright, so that's all the things that we got going so we had to give a plug there so i'm excited for for this weekend it's gonna be like an insane 48 hours honestly um so that's gonna be fun let's uh let's see we're oh we're 34 minutes we're we're past I know. I'm sure Justin's going to have 40 more questions nobody cares about, but let's just roll them off. Let's roll them off the tongue.

You know what? I want you to ask a question, Jack. I'm not going to ask a question. I'm going to end it. So you tell me. Here's the thing is you don't have anything planned in your head until I say something and then you have to play off of it. That's why I'm BB90 Commenter.

That's why that's my name. I do like that name change. I actually like that. Thank you. Thank you. Oh, my God. I can't wait to come to Hopcat and throw stuff at you while you guys are on. Oh, please do.

Just throw tomatoes at us or something. That would be amazing. I would love to get booed off stage. That would be incredible. Yeah, please. Get me off this stage. That would be incredible. It would love to get booed offstage. That would be incredible. Yeah, please, get me off this stage. That would be incredible. It's the honor of booing offstage.

Yeah. All right, last plug here before we move on, though. So head to our social media. We've got giveaways on our Instagram for HopCat. We've got giveaways on Twitter for HopCat. And then we also are giving away two free tickets on the, on the blue by 90 Twitter, as well as I think it's on the X X's and bros XB mornings Twitter as well, which is Anthony Bellino show.

I'm going live with him on Friday morning as well on his radio show. So excited to that, about that. Talked a little NIL talked a little, you know, talked about the tailgate, all that stuff. So very excited for that. All right.

Now I'm trying to think what we want to talk about next. Let's talk about, let's talk about. You like Steve Harvey? I'm a Steve Harvey guy. I don't even know what that means. You don't know who Steve Harvey isvey is i know who steve harvey are you not cultured you know wkb dean by saying cw steve harvey all right i'm gonna think like a man great movie connor connor how how does michigan state how does michigan state win

oh man i think honestly if we can get a fumbled snap wow i said that we can get a fumbled snap if spartan can get a phone oh is that did you just reveal your recording slip right there holy shit wow java would never just saying oh fuck i gotta god damn it i'm not gonna leave um proceed oh man how does state win they they gotta somehow some way win the turnover battle because i don't think they're gonna force a lot of three and outs and if they're gonna get stops if they're gonna try to get some type of momentum going they have to they have to turn either jj over rip the ball out. I know Jacoby Winman's one of the best at forcing fumbles. They got to somehow win the turnover battle.

And that honestly, defensively, that's, I think our only hope. I hate to say that, but defensively, we don't really have, we don't have the defense to stop that run game, possibly slow down the passing attack, maybe. That's actually curious a little bit. So you're more confident in your past defense than you are your run defense right now. Well, just, just because it's a Michigan's like overwhelming strength,

not this, I'm not saying like JJ is a bad quarterback. I just think that the coaching staff is clearly run heavy. And I knew that when JJ was about to take over, like they weren't going to let him throw it 40 times a game and get 350, 400 yards. They were still going to run, even though JJ, they probably should let him loose every now and then. It's going to be a tall order, though, to really clamp down on JJ

as he has such a high completion percentage. They really don't fumble outside of some of the younger guys who get very few touches. So to force a lot of turnovers, it's going to be asking a lot. They've got to find a way to get some extra pressure with blitzes or whatnot to kind of make him uncomfortable. I don't think – has J.J. seen a lot of pressure this season? I don't think he has seen a ton of it.

I feel like he's brought it on himself, right, as he's rolled out of the pocket. Does he get happy feet? No. He just, like, rolls out a lot and forces a lot of, like, screaming. I feel like that was a slight compliment to Michigan, so I'm going to point it out. Are you saying because they were Joe Moore Award winners last year, the O-line, that they don't allow

pressure this year? I'm assuming since they're a good offensive line that, yes, JJ probably doesn't see a lot of pressure. I like that. You're a good fan. I really hope you show up Saturday. I'd love to hang out with you. You seem like a great guy.

I'm sick of hanging out with Justin. I met Justin last year. It was a good time. Yeah. I was very cordial. Yeah. You were great. You were great. Why did you say that?

You were great. You were just fine, man. You were adequate. Yeah, but not adequate. He's a very average What is it from Is that from nougat?ougat oh yeah that's fucking uh real ones would know that jack stop stop um schmidt yes yeah there you go yes yes there you go very proud of you oh god great show still can't believe justin hasn't seen it you guys ever played true american? Connor, come to the tailgate. We'll play True American. The game that has

probably a million rules? Yeah, let's try it. I actually have played it multiple times and it is like... They showed me this game and I was like, I don't understand it. I don't even know, especially after watching the show, I'm like, how do you actually find rules for it? It can't make sense.

We're just naming presidents and shit. It's like random shit, but I love it. It's incredible. Honestly, it is very fun. The rules that we play are like a dumb, like a realer version because obviously in the show. Realer than the real game? Is that what you're saying?

Correct. Interesting. Yeah. Tough. Interesting. Okay. Yeah. I love. is that what you're saying correct like interesting yeah tough interesting um okay yeah i love you know what i love more than anything is when i'm trying to speak and and what'd you say interrupted with stupid comments you're breaking up oh god he's frozen again this guy's wi-fi is just terrible justin's Justin's fuming right now.

He's just fuming. My only purpose in this podcast is to piss off Justin. You do a pretty good job. I don't know how anybody... I still can't believe he's frozen. He's been frozen for four minutes now. He's going to drop out soon. Okay. Okay.

I think he's back. Are you back now? Can you hear us? Drop out soon. Okay. All right. Okay. I think it's back. Are you back now? Can you hear us? Still frozen, I guess. Anyway, so what's your plan for Saturday? You're staying back at East Lansing? Are you in East Lansing?

No, I'm going out to a friend's house for potential stream during a Halloween party. Oh, right. But I will not be over. Yeah, I'm going to be Nick Miller. Are you? I'm new girl, yeah. I like it. I already got the plaid shirt on.

What do you got? Plaid shirt. Hey, Connor. Hey, Connor. What are you – how are you planning on streaming versus – how are you planning on streaming while you're at a Halloween party? We're having a great conversation. You're just going to mute my mic? I did it for the Washington game.

I was at a friend's house for a party, and I just went to the other room. And I still got to, like, take Jager bombs and do whatever and had a good time. I love that. Is that when I tried to join in? No, you were drunk that time. I was very drunk. But I was at a Sparty wedding, so I was like, we got to join.

That was a few weeks ago. You were very accommodating, I will say. I couldn't hear a word you were saying. You could have been shit-talking me. Thank God. You're a great guy. That's all I said. You're great. love this you're great you're great just like justin he was great yeah but you said he was fine you said i'm great that's so like if we're if we're if we're just i'm just saying if we're taking notes here i'm here and just i actually i heard great for myself to be honest

i did say great i did say great for just, but I said it in a way that was like... We'll do a blue by 90 power rankings after this episode. All right. Also, I mean, to be honest, I did as much as I could to be your friend. I literally threw a twisted T tailgate in East Lansing. You did. What more could you ask for from me, to be honest?

It was like heaven on earth, honestly. And you won the Super Bowl that day. We won a game that day. We won a big, important game that day. Yep, yep. Sure did. Sure did. And in the end, it didn't matter because all of our trash talk was for nothing. It didn't matter.

Our trash talk didn't count that year because Michigan had a better season. It did win the Big Ten. Statistically, it is a statistical fact. Okay, listen. Michigan won the Big Ten and beat all of our rivals. It was a good year.

Okay. Go Blue Jabba's back. He's back. I'm back, baby. Let's go go every time you say go blue jabba i'm just gonna like i'm gonna like what what's the noise just like screen it or like you're gonna honk the horn like uh wolverine yeah yeah yeah so nobody else knows what we're talking about but we know what we're talking about um okay all right here's another uh like hypothetical would you rather michigan state have the exact year that they had this past year i because i'm ready to fucking stab you

if you say one more thing while I'm talking. I'm ready to drive from Canton. I don't care. I'm going to spend it. That's a good answer. Fair. Fair enough. I would also like to note that we're 45 minutes in for anybody that watched the Clayton Anderson episode

and really enjoyed it. You saw how Justin just needed the phone that we were having and had to cut it off early. I just had to mention that. All right, thank you. Go ahead, proceed. Scissorman.

Justin Scissorman. Would you rather have the exact same season that MSU had this past year or would you rather have Michigan's season that they had in 2021? Which would you rather have Michigan's season that they had in 2021? Which would you take? So are you taking beating Michigan, winning a New Year's Six Bowl, or are you taking losing to Michigan and winning the Big Ten? You're trying to bait me into a little brother response here, and I'm not taking the bait.

I'm not taking the bait. Would I rather have Michigan's Big Ten Championship college football playoff attending season? Yes, absolutely. Okay. All right. I would take a loss to Michigan if it meant making the playoff and winning the Big Ten 100 times out of 100.

And the people, the Michigan State fans that say that they wouldn't take that are lying. They're stupid. Well, they might be. They probably go to State. Might be. They go to State. I they go to state so i'm kidding again i'm kidding i feel bad every time i say it because i need my own personal mute button right now we can give you the login information so you can meet me i'm sure if you tell justin to mute me he'll do it right away so i will do it like as many times as you want me to

i will say i think it's like kind of, I don't think it's as one-sided of a conversation as like a lot of people think. I think there are people that would disagree with your decision, your take there. And I think it's somewhat valid. I don't think it's like fully valid, but I think like, you know, you're, you're not winning the big 10,

but it's still a very successful season to win 11 games and win a new year six. So it's not like, I think it's a stupid question. It's a stupid argument to say like you go one in 11, right. While, while beating Michigan, but going 11 and two while beating Michigan versus, you know, winning the big 10 winning the Big Ten, that's somewhat of an argument. I feel like you guys are in a situation that Michigan's been in since Harbaugh got there, other than a few seasons.

Say, okay, we have a really, really good team, and then it comes down to playing Ohio State, and we could win the Big Ten, but if we lose to Ohio State, the season's just a fucking wreck like it's awful like it's just like it's shitty to think that way because you still have a really really good season but because you didn't beat your rival like it's a failure like i don't know man it goes back and forth it's a rivalry like that's the whole point of it i mean if if we were like undefeated right now and then we lose to michigan and then we lost like a couple more games and missed out on a New Year's Six Bowl

and we're beating four or nine to three or something, I would consider that would be a disappointing year. And that would probably be caused by losing to Michigan, unfortunately. That's fair, but let's say we turn the tables. Let's say Michigan State was in Michigan's shoes last year, right? Like, you know, you lose. You play Penn State middle of the season. You lose to them.

But then you beat Michigan and you win out. You win the Big Ten. You go to the college football playoff. Who gives a shit? Well, I 100% agree. I would not give a shit. Well, obviously, the Michigan State fan inside of me, it would burn at me a little bit that we lost to michigan unlike our best season like we lose to michigan

they have technically but so so are you so you're saying you're you're the guy that's like i would rather beat michigan and not make the playoff no no no absolutely not no no no that that argument is like no i think that's a stupid that's the stupid argument i but i but rose also agreed to that like 45 times on the podcast i need to just like comb through the film and like pull it out okay he's not even laughing anymore he's pissed i've reached my goal i'm gonna stop talking now all right um i do think that like the 2021 season for michigan best season ever right like not ever but obviously like very very good season one of the best it doesn't get much you know as as a as a big 10 fan as a michigan, it does not get much better than that, right? But, like, there is that one L in the middle of the season that just fucking eats at me.

It really does. And, like, you know, I think that there is – that L holds, like, I don't know how much weight exactly, you know, in comparison to how many Ws or, it is, but it's super significant. And I'll say as great as this past year was, the fact that Michigan State was the one that held us back from a 12-0 year, like fucking eats at me because that would be – it would have been unbelievable. And you have nothing anybody can say to you except for Georgia, who might have been the best team, like, of all time.

You know, there's something to that, that that just, like, holds it. I'm a horseshit football coach. I'm a horseshit football coach. I'm a horseshit football coach. Sorry. I'm with Justin, though. I'm a horse shit football coach. I'm a horse shit football coach. I'm a horse shit football coach. Sorry. I'm with Justin, though. I'm with Justin. So I agree with that because, like, in 2015 when State made the playoff

and they had that one loss to Nebraska, that loss, like, even after we made the playoff and won the big time, that loss pissed me off. Like, obviously it was a little controversial. Yeah. Like, that's kind of like the Michigan – like, Michigan fans saw the Michigan State loss as controversial. Like, I could only imagine if it was the Michigan game that we lost and went undefeated.

Like, yeah, I'd be happy we made the playoff. I'd be happy we won the Big Ten. But, like, I'd be pissed that it was that one game that, like, you know you have in-state bragging rights. Like, you're just going to hear all off season for for no reason you just know it's that one that just pisses you off to lose the most other than ohio state yeah and that's there whatever the top four or five rifles are right right that well purdue is in there i think before they can say yeah um no i i think that's why like the

conversation just gets a little interesting. You know what I mean? Where it's like, you know, I think last year was like the prime example of like what would you rather have? Because there are somewhat arguments for both. Because like I think if you're a Michigan State fan, like if you could say that you could have that year this past year, every year, like, you'd take that. Like, you know, pretty – obviously you hope that you don't get boat raced by Ohio State.

You hope that you're, you know, you're, like, at least in that game. But ultimately, you would take that. And I think most – every team outside of, like, Bama, Ohio State, and, you know, Clemson, and Georgia wouldn't take that year in and year out. So that's where I think it just makes it interesting. Yeah, I get where you're coming from too. I would 100% take the season you had over the season we had,

but at the same time, I get that frustration part. Yeah, for sure. All right, well, let's end it here we're to the point of the podcast where jack has stopped uh annoying me only not because he's sick of it only because he just stopped paying attention altogether um so that's my this is my favorite part where he just gets to add and i was trying to just keep a straight face and not react to that. But I couldn't. He literally has told me I've been like, Hey, business.

Okay. I wanted, I wanted to keep the pod going. He's like, Oh, I just got bored. Oh, okay. Good.

Great. It happens. I'm sorry. Your voice is very boring to me. I don't know what to tell you. No, I get it. I get it.

Um, all right. So let's end this. Uh, let's end this with, I mean, we got to just go game predictions, right? No, we're not doing that. We're not doing that.

I'm not doing that. I will say the last time we did game predictions for the MSU game was 2020. We all said it was going to be like 56 to 3. We went viral for being idiots. i'll still remember the fucking my favorite response to that it was like a south park meme where it was like the layout that we have and it's the computer guy where he's like four of them i mean that's one of the funniest things i've ever seen in my entire life like if i can find that again i would love to just like make that i want to frame it and like put somewhere. It was beautiful. I respect that.

I respect stuff like that. We got absolutely trolled and quote tweeted. I just want both teams to have a good time. That's how I feel about Saturday. You're saying that fans are so petty that they would go back and quote and retweet and do stuff like that?

No. Or predictions? Never. To this day, I still get quote tweeted on and retweet and do stuff like that? No. Or predictions? Never. Oh, no. To this day, I still get quote tweeted on a LaVert Hill prediction when I said LaVert Hill and Oliver Martin were going to be on the same team together at Michigan State. Still, to this day, I still get those predictions. That's wild.

Wait, what was that prediction? For me, it was Ambry Thomas. It was like Ambry – Oh, Ambry. Who's in the same class as Oliver Martin? I thought both of them were – I was like obviously being like a little propaganda artist and I was saying that they were going to end up

at Michigan State together, and they didn't obviously. I remember my Sparty guys, my Sparty friends loved Ambry and everybody thought he was going to MSU. I know. I loved him. Yeah. He was a dog. He was.

He's still a dog. He's good in the NFL. He's good um he's no kenneth walker obviously if you compare the two which is a very comparable uh situation so all right all right no no uh no predictions here i won't make connor do it either because he's just gonna like you obviously have to say that msu is going to win. No, I wouldn't. You wouldn't? No. Okay. Alright. Well, I think...

You can say covers, but loses. That's my prediction. What's the spread? I think it's 22.5 or something. I'm surprised that... I'd pick him to cover too. What'd you say? Were you surprised at the spread? Not really.

You said they're 3-4? 3-4. They don't lose close games under Tucker. Michigan's just been pulling away from everybody late every single game. Even if it's like a 10-14 point game in the third quarter, it could end up being like a 30-point game.

I would 100% say my lock would for sure be – I don't know what the first half spread is, but I would take MSU in the first half spread. It might be close. First half spreads are usually fairly tame. It might be like 10.5. 7.5 or something. It might be close. First half spreads are usually fairly tame. It might be like 10.5. 7.5 or something? It might be 7.5.

Really? You think so? It might be, yeah. Hold on. I'll look it up. But that's not a bad one. That's actually not bad. Because Michigan State will come out with a ton of energy. Oh, and I'm sure trick plays and shit. Like you said, they have nothing to lose.

Oh, they never do that. Maybe you'll see a couple of hail marys or uh yeah you guys never have done a flea flicker my favorite was at the end of last year where the flea flicker was like a once a series play at that point oh yeah it was great it was like you just knew it was coming you're like we haven't seen one yet this game. What the heck? Let's see. It worked so well with Walker though because everybody just collapsed. Yeah. Are we done or what?

Bro, you keep delaying. He's looking at the first half spread. Do you remember that you literally just said you were going to look it up? Did you forget that already? I couldn't find it. I did a Google search and couldn't find it, so it's done. One and done.

One and done, my friend. Don't worry, I'll send this out. Halftime. I've got... Let's see. It's got to be like 10 and a half that'd be my guess over under 28 and a half

I've only got the 13 and a half I figured it was 13 and a half Tyler good work tyler um all right yeah i mean that's a pretty good one i still think that's a good bet because i think it could be a 10 point game because michigan has as done every every single game they pull away like you said and and like and later in the game so um i think that's a pretty good bet.

That's not bad. Nine and a half second now. Oh, I would take the over on that one in a heartbeat. Oh, my God. I would take the over on that in a heartbeat. You're saying the over under in the second half is nine and a half. I would take the Michigan minus nine and a half. The spread.

Yeah. Nine and a half. Yeah, absolutely. The spread. Yeah. Nine and a half. Yeah, absolutely. Second half. Yeah. I would take MSU first half then and Michigan second half. Only if it was like 35-0 at halftime would I take MSU second half spread. Okay.

Are you scared of the blue out? Are you scared? Am I scared of the blue out? No, I think it's great But any yellow or a maze out? For the opponent I'm glad you guys are excited. I'm so happy for you guys I just want to hear a song like if a song doesn't get played, I might just fucking be a Sparty. Oh, my God.

Connor, tell the people where they can follow all your stuff at. You can follow me on Twitter, at Connor Muldowney, or you can follow me on sometimes Meltdowney, Spartan Shadows. I'm surprised you're not Meltdowney yet this year. No, Saturday I might be Meltdowney. Or it might just be – it'll hold off until basketball season. Okay. Probably not, though. I think you might have to, depending on how things go on Saturday,

meltdown-y might come Sunday morning. Depends. Yeah, I might be so gone on Saturday night that I won't really feel the pain until the next morning. He'll be tweeting, fuck this team. Or I could be doing that while I'm

intoxicated. I might just be saying some out-of-pocket shit. That's what I'm looking for. I'll turn the tweet notifications on. You probably don't want to do that. All right. Sorry. Keep going. Tell them where to follow you.

At ConorMuldowney on Twitter. And then you can find me at Spartanshadows.com where we're starting up the new network with you guys. You guys are Blue by 90 on there. Hey, you. Good stuff. Good stuff coming. Love it. Love it.

And for us, you can follow us at Blue by 90 on Twitter, Instagram, Facebook. At Blue by 90 Podcast on YouTube and Blueby90.com. We appreciate you. Connor, say. I have Blue by 90 podcasts on YouTube and blueby90.com. We appreciate you. Connor, say it. Go blue. Go blue, baby. Go blue. This is quite the remake.