Blue By Ninety - E82: WEAR MAIZE & Chris Breiler @the_winged_helmet

Episode Date: September 8, 2021

It's MAIZE OUT week vs. Washington and the boys bring on Chris Breiler, creator of @the_winged_helmet on instagram/facebook and contributing writer for SI.com. We talk game prep, get into it about Mr. Brightside at the stadium and more. Crack a cold one and enjoy the show.

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Touchdown, Wolverines! people's job touchdown all right welcome back to blue by 90 i am justin joined by jack and caitlin as always and today we have another special guest on we're excited to have him on um i i personally have been like watching and seeing your stuff for quite some time, even before we were doing this podcast. So it's fun to meet you and have you on here. We've got Chris Breiler, creator of the winged helmet and contributor to SI.com Sports Illustrated. Chris, thanks for joining us. How are you doing? Jealousy. I'm doing good. I appreciate you guys. There you go.

It's good to finally talk to you guys directly. Yeah. Likewise. I've been watching you, uh, you know, for a little while and it looks like you're growing and good things are happening. So it's, it's good to be here. Yeah. And we've, uh, you know, we've done some stuff with Brandon in the past, uh, and Spath in the past and, you know, you're kind of part of that circle now. Um, I know Spath's out of it, but, um, you know, is that a good thing that I'm part of that circle now um i know spats out of it but um you

know is that a good thing that i'm part of that circle i don't know some people would say michigan twitter maybe not like do i have to go to the game like wearing those glasses and fake mustache on saturday i don't know it depends who you talk to there yeah people people like to jump on brandon i i jump on brandon on twitter of myself as well so i give him enough shit but um we like brandon as a person he just stirs the pot you know so uh so that's what he does you know how i you know how i think brandon like there are like you know how like there are certain instances where like a friend will ask another friend do these jeans make me look fat and the the friend will be like, no, you look great. Brandon is the friend that will say, no, you look fucking fat.

Or I say the F word. I'm not sure. Yeah. Yeah. Do whatever you want. So Brandon is the kind of friend that will say, you look fat, you know, you got to change it. Muffin top is spilling. So not a lot of people are like wired to take that. But I think a lot of times what he says, there's a lot of, it's based in a lot of people are like wired to take that but right I think a lot of times what he says there's a lot of it's based in a lot of truth it might be a little more hostile than people would prefer but you know so that's that's the difficult part of the job when you're a writer and you know if you feel something genuinely in your soul like you got to come at it from that standpoint otherwise it just doesn't work yeah well I mean let's talk about that so obviously we were just kind of

joking that you're now an official journalist, you know, you've, you've taken this on full time. Um, this has been, you know, your first season, uh, being, uh, as a, as a, somebody with a press credential, you you're around the team, you're at those interviews, you know, working on that type of stuff. Um, you know, what's that been like in how do you handle you know a team and a program here that let's be honest they haven't had full success right there have been times where there have been ups but it's mostly been down and so on the journalist side i think this is where you know especially brandon but a lot of people you know sam webb gets shit because all he does is talk

good about a program that doesn't always have good things to talk about. And so, you know, how do you balance that? What's it been like on the inside there? You know, we've talked about the new energy, all that stuff. What have you seen from the inside here? Yeah, it is really difficult to balance it. And especially for me, I mean, I've been a Michigan football fan my entire life. So doing this for a job is kind of like a dream come true. Like, I'll go to a side note, really quick story here before I get into the rest. But, you know, Western Michigan, that was my first game ever in the press box. And there's protocol in how you conduct yourself.

Like, you're not a fan in the press box. Like, it's a working environment. It's very quiet. And, you know, I get it in the press box and I'm looking around. It's a beautiful site. And I can't believe I'm in there. And I make it most of the game well not most of the game i made it most of the time before the game started without going crazy but then blake coram comes in it's that 18 yard carry on the first one and i go woo and i'm like oh shit so so you know that's like it's it's

tough right because you're a fan and you want the team to do well and you want to root for them and you want to say good things. But when you cover them, you kind of have to look at things differently and you got to look at it in, you know, through through the lens of reality. And if Michigan isn't doing what they're supposed to do and if they're not living up to what I feel is the standard at the University of Michigan, and everybody's a little bit different, but if they're not hitting that standard, then I feel it's my obligation as somebody who covers the team to talk about those things. And I think generally speaking, even if some people are more positive or more negative, I think at the end of the day, we all kind of feel the same way. We maybe just disagree a little bit on how to get from here to there. Yeah, that makes sense. I mean, I think it's,

it's tough. We, we joked about it too. This fan base, they haven't felt that success. So there's just so much built up angst and it's like, we end up taking it out on each other when really we want to take it out on Ohio state, but we can't because there's nothing to say to them, you know? And so even you want to say it, you want to take it out on Ohio state, but we can't because there's nothing to say to them, you know? And so even you want to say it, you want to take it out on your Michigan state friends too. You can't do that. Cause they somehow, you know, beat us in, in, you know, times that they shouldn't either. So it's just this weird thing in the Michigan fan base that we aren't able to

like unite on one front because you know, we end up going at each other because of the lack of full success there. Yeah. Yeah. Should Ronnie have been back there? Should he not have been back there? Is Mr. Brightside right? Is it not right? All of a sudden you start pointing fingers and it's easy to do that. So the other question I had is, is you guys have had a ton of athletes, student athletes and football players specifically on your podcast and on these, you know, Twitter, Facebook lives, Instagram lives that you're doing. And so, you know, what have you heard from them? We we've asked this a million times with different

guests that we've had on the different energy. What are they saying? You know, all that stuff. But, you know, what are what are the main takeaways that you've gotten from this team in a time when you wonder are they all behind Jim Harbaugh or maybe some of them ready to move on are some of them do they have one foot out the door in the transfer portal you know what's your what's the vibe been with most of those guys that have come on with you? Well, what it's hard because you don't I feel like every time you want to say this time feels different. You feel like you've said that a million times and it's like, here we go again. Like I'm buying in again just to get snake bitten in the last week in November. But talking with these guys and listening, you know, Ronnie Bell at one of the press availability said that he's never that he's never, you know, they've never experienced a brotherhood on this team. Like they have this

off season, uh, Blake Corum when we had him on, on Monday, I'd said something like, we don't have the, the energy vampires or the positivity vampires. You know, you talk, you listen to the guys who are on the defensive side of the ball. Talk about, I feel like I'm free. I feel like I can do what I'm good at doing. And you, it really paints a picture. If you listen to all the sound bites from the off season, there was a culture issue. There was a, there was an issue at the university of Michigan, whether it be, you know, inside the locker room with guys that were just kind of, you know, working against the grain guys that were on the field that felt like they were being put in a position to fail on the defensive side of the ball in particular.

And so it really sounds like the hires that Jim Harbaugh made this offseason have gone a hell of a long way into, you know, getting this program where it needs to be in terms of like the camaraderie and the brotherhood. And I think anybody who's ever played sports understands how important that is. Like you can have all the talent in the world, but if you guys are going at each other, you don't have that tight knit feeling. Sometimes things don't work out the way you hope. So I think, you know, if, if culture and energy and brotherhood is as important to, you know, winning games as we all think it is,

they should have a pretty successful season. And I'm definitely buying into it. I mean, we've seen it with, with Michigan basketball too, like John Beeline, you know, you have great coach. They're the gold standard for it. Right. Exactly. So, I mean, you've, you've built this successful culture. You don't have the, the negative athletes that are around to, to bring it down or, or like you said, the negativity vampires or anything like that. And I mean, we always, we always kind of heard rumors about, you know, possibly Giles being that guy,

somebody who Michigan's going to go up against this weekend against Washington, you know. There were rumors that Joe Milton was saying something about dropping 50 on Michigan when he transfers, you know. And, I mean, we've talked about previous players in the past couple years that, you know, there's been rumors about that kind of attitude. And, you know, if there is that positivity and we've seen it happen with basketball with the players saying that and being so vocal about it

this year I mean I know it's got me a hell of a lot more excited I told myself you know the whole off season that I'm not going to get excited for Michigan football because I know what you know comes at the end of November right just like you were saying and uh it's it's hard not to buy into what they're saying especially when it's coming from the players' mouths and you're kind of hearing everything that you want to hear and what you think you need to hear for a change, a real change to be made. I can't remember.

I mean, we were at Big Ten Media Days and I think Aiden Hutchinson said it directly, like there were some culture issues here in 2018 and 2019, like word for word. And I don't think we've ever heard that come out of Michigan players during the off season. Like usually you want to be positive, but it seems like these guys during the off season did some serious self-reflection. And if you look at who the leaders are on this team going into 2021, they're all just really good guys. Like Blake

Horne, you talk to him. He's just a really good person. Nikai Hill green, talk to him. He's just a solid dude. Like they've got a collection of guys that are leading this team that I think their mentality is going along. I think it's flooding the team with positivity and I think it's creating this, this tremendous energy that we've heard about all off season. And you can see it during week one. I mean, JJ McCarthy goes in the game and Kate McNamara goes over and embrace some hugs him for like 10 seconds, says something in his ear. You could see when Donovan Edwards was out there running hard, hard as hell. He was running when he was getting the touches. Guys

were going crazy on the sideline. I mean, these guys are getting up for each other. And it's, it's really cool to see. Yeah. I mean, to bring up, I mean, those guys too. I mean, Ronnie Bell, clearly one of those guys obviously he's hurt now because you know like we brought up you know should he have been there back there returning that punt I mean Jim said it right you've got talented players we've seen it in the past you put your best players out there so I mean that's that can be an argument for a later time or discussion for a later time but I mean that could be a huge rallying point for this team I mean you see a guy like Ronnie nobody nobody works harder than him and, you know, he goes down and the

field, the players, I feel like take a, a sense of responsibility to kind of like move forward and bring the team up and really try to win for him because he's not able to go out there with them. So I'm, I'm curious to see how they play against Washington this weekend. Well, and when it comes to Ronnie Bell and, Ronnie Bell, obviously you don't want to see anybody get injured. You don't want to see anybody go out. And I put up a story about Ronnie Bell shortly before the season and just how improbable his pathway was to Michigan. Like I'm sure you guys are aware, you know, he was a basketball star.

He was committed to, I think, Missouri State. And then long story short, he ends up at Michigan, his only offer to play college football. And then to see him selected as a captain, I mean, we were there when the players came out right after they found out. And, you know, you could just tell it was an incredible moment for these guys. And, man, it's just like the energy in the stadium, everything got sucked out. Like it was such a jovial, you know, everybody's back in the big house, everybody's excited. And you can really tell how much people care about Ronnie Bell and how important he is to this team just by the reaction in the big house when he went down.

If there is a silver lining, that position group is probably the deepest on the football team. They've got athletes that can step in and kind of soften the blow from the loss of Bell. I think A.J. Henning is that guy that probably fits that mold best. But they've got guys like Roman Wilson. They've got Cornelius Johnson. they've got Mike Sainer still, they've got a lot of weapons at the receiver position that kind of fit the same mold that Ronnie Bell does. So you're never going to replace him and especially his leadership and his influence on the team, but he will still be around the team. But they've got guys that can step up. And I think, I think you'll see that

this weekend, especially in the punt return game. Yeah. And I mean, the fun thing too, I don't know if you saw this one, obviously Ronnie on that touchdown went right into Juwan and the, and the basketball team. And then Juwan, he said it before the game and then said it again after he was, you know, obviously injured. He said, if you need anything, anything come to us. I mean, first of all, Juwan is, I mean, we're just like unbelievably blessed. It's every time Juwan speaks, it's like, I can't love this guy anymore. And then, you know, but for that to be a cross sport, like love brotherhood for each other is kind of crazy.

And I know that Ronnie, I'm pretty sure it was really good friends with Isaiah and a lot of that squad. So it made sense, but just like, I think that that's what Ronnie kind of, that, that was his vibe, right? He's just like that, that's, you know, solid brother. He probably would have fit in really well with that basketball program. And so if we can take a guy that, you know, from that basketball program and insert them into the football program,

that's ideal. Right. And so, you know, I, I hope that Ronnie bell, what he does is become, you know, a player coach type of guy, you know, sit on the sideline, be that cheerleader, be that leader still that he can, you know, God god willing he comes back next year selfishly I don't want him to go to the NFL I want him in Ann Arbor but you know I think to your point you know there's gonna have to be some other guys that step up into that role and I'm not sure you know you can replace a Ronnie Bell in that situation and so that'll be interesting because there's going to be a point

in this year where things go wrong. And the only guy that I saw last year during like the Michigan state game and a couple of the other of these other games that were going badly that stayed with it, stayed positive, was fighting like hell was Ronnie Bell. And so that is infectious, right? It's contagious. And so I hope that even from a sideline, he can still be that guy for Michigan moving forward. Yeah. And it sounds like that's the challenge that Jim Harbaugh is giving him, right? Like, you know, saying that there's still ways that he can be a leader on this team and holding him accountable, saying that he expects him to be that leader that everybody expects him to be, especially when you're voted a captain.

So, you know, if you know Ronnie Beller, you kind of know what his makeup is. He's going to be around the team. He's going to be in the locker room. He's going to be on the sidelines. He's going to be getting the guys up. I think you're right. There's no way to replace him. But I think that there's a few guys on the roster collectively that can just help manage it in his absence and I think that's what Jim said as well was that you know it might be a more than one guy needed to replace Ronnie Bell um so it might be a couple guys stepping in to fill that role yeah 100 percent for sure for sure um so let's talk about uh the western game here a little bit you know i

thought we talked about it on sunday as well um you know we talked about how we were all pretty dang impressed with uh with this team all around um you know you didn't know what you were gonna get after two and four after a weird off season where you didn't know who your coach was um for a while there, all the variables that came into going into the season, new quarterback, all that stuff. And they, you know, it was a slow start, but I thought after that slow start into the second quarter, it was, it was, you know, like a train coming through. And so what was your thought from the press box? What, what did you think of this team was is this you know is it too

early to tell if this team is legit or not or or can we take away some good things uh going forward here well i think both i think it's too early to tell whether or not they're legit but you know the big chunk plays really stuck with me like we've been waiting to see an an explosion an explosive michigan offense you know ever since j Josh Gaddis arrived, we heard speed and space and we expected it to be something like Alabama and it hasn't looked anything like that. So it was nice on opening weekend to see, you know, you had AJ Henning. I think he went for 76 yards. He had Blake Corham running all over the field. He had Roman Wilson go for like, I think it was a 48 yard end around Ronnie Bell broke loose a couple of times on return in

the touchdown. So they were making big plays all afternoon. You're right. They got off to a slow start, but eventually they settled in. And overall, what I took away from it is Michigan played like you would expect Michigan to play against a team like Western Michigan. And that's really all we could hope for, for week one, what that means for week two, I'm not sure. And, and I, you know, Brandon and I talked a little bit about this, but I feel like I walked away from week one, not any more or less confident for week two, even with what happened over the weekend with Washington. I know they lost that game to Montana. That was a huge upset, but with what Michigan did over the weekend and with what Washington did over the weekend, I still don't feel any more or

less confident. I think it's going to be a big game. I think Washington's going to come in pissed off. But I don't know, man, if you watch that Washington game, their offense was pretty damn bad, pretty bad. So it's going to be interesting to see how that plays out. Yeah, I didn't watch the Washington game. I wish I did. But I'll tell you what, it did make me feel more confident going going into this game that's for sure i saw the line was at five and a half and i took it i think right away um but see every time that happens that's i know that's when it goes the other way you know i'm like yes of course this is a sure thing and this is the kind of game where it's like you go into it

and afterwards you're like jesus christ how did that happen you know so i'm even i'm reserving judgment here well i was gonna say too it was uh um i said on the last podcast and i remember now where i saw it that was uh scott bell put on sweet and it was like um going into this saturday's game washington lost to montana like there's it's a lose-lose situation for michigan because if you beat washington on on a primetime stage like okay you be a team that lost to Montana who cares or if you lose but it's like oh shit you lost the game to the team that lost to Montana like you can't you can't win unless it's like just a major blowout so that's the thing that's kind of gonna suck from this game um it's just the news stories afterwards where regardless which way it goes um but i'm still i'm definitely more confident in michigan winning the game yeah well it is it is a bit of a bummer though because that loss took some of the

shine off the game like everybody 100 everybody had this one circle during the preseason especially when you knew it was going to be under the lights and everything we heard uh about washington during the preseason was this was like a sneaky team that could possibly capture the Pac-12 championship. They certainly didn't look like it week one, but it was such a bad loss. It was such an improbable loss. Keep in mind, they're also down. I think they're down their top four scholarship wide receivers. So that really hurt them in the passing game. They're also down their top defender. I think he's a linebacker. He's out for the season. I can't remember what the nature of his injury is.

But, you know, they're suffering some losses there. Um, but I know I, I, I watched some of it. The old line was so bad. I had never seen an old line get bodied like that by an FCS team. Like it was, it was really unreal. So honestly, what I'm looking for, cause what we didn't see I mean I thought the defense played really well I thought our defense played really well on Saturday they didn't make you know crazy plays there wasn't like game-changing plays on the defensive side of the ball they did their job which is fantastic but it wasn't you know turnovers outside of the eight and ascent you know he about took that guy's head off along with the football. I thought he was going to be running with his helmet in his hands.

Yeah, the strip sack. But, you know, I'm hoping to see them get to that quarterback a little bit and really disrupt things. And so I guess one of my other questions, too, and I don't know if you talked to some other people about this, did you feel like they went vanilla on both sides of the ball did you feel like they left something to be desired which is I think a normal thing to do in week one when you're playing a MAAC opponent um you know what what can we expect to see do you think uh moving forward are they going to open it up a little bit more?

Yeah. I mean, I think you'll see more come out of the playbook. I didn't walk away from it disappointed that we didn't get to see more. I mean, I think the biggest question mark was what was Mike or Mike McDonald's defense going to look like. And we got a pretty good look at that. And, you know, from an offensive standpoint, I think they've got a lot more in the tank, but I also don't want it to come off like, you know, they're reserving everything for Ohio state. Like there's a secret playbook out there. Like, I think they gave a little bit, I think they called plays that they knew their guys were going to be comfortable with week one. I think they're still working on some stuff and you're going to see it open up more and more as the season goes on.

But where I, where I walked away a little bit concerned from that Western game was number one in the secondary. I wasn't super impressed with how the corners played. Still, I'm worried that when they go up against the guys like Chris Alave and that elite wide receiver talent that we're still going to have issues. And so I'd like to see the secondary perform well this weekend. And then Cade McNamara, I mean, he had a solid outing, but he was only nine for 11. He was never really put in a position where, you know, he had to sort of take the game on his shoulders and make some things happen. And until we see Kate McNamara in that position, I don't know that we'll ever fully know what we have at him at this point. Now,

granted, some people want to go back to 2020 and say, well, we saw it against Rutgers on the road in Piscataway. I know it's Rutgers, but it's still a 17 point deficit. It's still on the road and he still had to come in and put points on the board. So I give him credit for that. But 2020 was such a weird year that I don't know that you can count on anything that happened last year. So I still want to see him. You know, I don't want to see Michigan in a position where they're behind, but I want to see how he handles the pressure when the game gets a little bit tight. I'm going to leave this off by saying don't sleep on Rutgers.

All right. I think the to leave this off by saying don't sleep on Rutgers. All right. I think their program is moving forward, man. They are moving forward. You know, they might be going like next floor up, other than like basement level Big Ten, you know, but, you know, they're not quite there yet. They did. I think they put a hurtin' on, who the hell did they play?

Temple, I think, right? Yeah. Temple. Yeah. They straddled him. But, who the hell did they play? Temple, I think, right? Yeah. Temple. Yeah. They throttled him. But, I mean, what I love about what you said, too, and what it seemed like to be is the fact that we had to be a little bit nitpicky to pick on Cade.

I mean, that's great. That's great to me. I agree. Cool. Cool. There's no, like, glaring problems. And I know last week when we talked about it, too, I feel like Cade is

not even close. He's QB1. I don't think JJ is going to be up on his tail at all this year unless Cade massively fucks up. I loved what I saw out of Cade. He threw beautiful deep balls to Ronnie a couple times. Like you said, he was 9 for 11.

We didn't see a whole lot of pass attempts, but he was still 9 for 11. I mean, that's do math off the top of my head. It's like 85% roughly. Again, it was against Western. I don't really know what you're going to see, but I'm looking forward to see what he does the rest of the year, like you said. Get him put in those positions where he needs to lead the team, bring him back, play a solid defense.

But I'm excited so far for him. That's for sure. I'm getting too excited well you should really be saying 10 for 12 right because the offensive oh sure sure yeah true that's a no play unfortunately I mean that so I mean I I tweeted it out uh him and JJ were the top two most efficient passing quarterbacks in the big 10 in week one. Do you think that's going to be, do you think that's a Jim Harbaugh MO going forward? It's it's that was 2015, 2016 type of thing, right? Where it was like, you know, keep them in. I think he tried to do that a little bit too much with Shaya at times instead of letting him loose and letting him be an athlete.

Do you think Jim is like, all right, fuck it. I'm not trying to do anything crazy. Let's go back to what worked at that time and be just efficient game manager type of people? Well, it's weird because Jim Harbaugh said when it came to that crazy throw that J.J JJ McCarthy made, like it was cool against Western. I wonder how successful it would be against like an Ohio state or somebody,

you know, you could see Notre Dame secondary. Like I forget who the dude was, but he ran like 25 yards cross field to pick off the ball. Like you can see when you're against a good secondary that you can't do things like that. But at the same time, Jim doesn't want to coach that out of him. He said, that's part of his DNA. That's part of his makeup. And that's what makes him JJ.

So we don't want to take it out of him. I think when we talked to JJ over the offseason, he said that Jim has been extremely involved in the quarterback room. And I was a little bit concerned about how that was going to work out. Because initially during the offseason, I thought Jim Harbaugh was going to be the quarterback's coach. I thought that was going to be his group. He was going to be hands-on and then they go and hire Matt Weiss.

And so I wondered, what does that mean for Jim Harbaugh's role with the quarterbacks? But according to JJ McCarthy, he's still very much involved in what's going on. And I do think there's an element where, yeah, he wants his guys to be loose. He wants them to play their game. And if Kate is more of like, I don't want to call him a game manager, but if he's just that guy that can sit back, make the right reads and move the ball down the field, that's

great because you've got enough athletes on the offensive roster where they can make plays for you. You don't need Kate McNamara to be Denard Robinson. But I will say that I was extremely impressed with JJ. He's got like some sort of X factor that just, it is in your DNA. You can't really coach it. Um, I disagree a little bit with Jack. I do think that there is a healthy appetite for JJ there and we'll see what happens once they get into the meat of their schedule. You know, once they get to Wisconsin, even on the road at Nebraska, I know Nebraska is trash, but they're going to have fans back in the stadium and Lincoln afternoon, sleepy game. Uh, you know, that one can be a little bit tough, especially heading into the bi-week. So I like both quarterbacks. I think he's letting them loose

and letting them kind of play their game. But I do think it's, it's closer than some people think. Well, I mean, to that too, I mean, we've seen, we've seen Jim hold on to whoever the starter was at the beginning of the season for a little bit too long a couple times, right? I mean, we saw it with Joe last year, whether he was hurt or just not as great as everybody thought he was going to be. And then we saw Cade step in and seemingly do very well from what I remember. I remember when John O'Korn was still a starter in, I believe, 2017 or 2018. And then, you know, it took about three or four games to pull him and bring in Brandon Peters so I mean and and those guys had to really struggle for him to for him to put the

backup in so I mean do you think it's a situation where Cade really like like what I said he really has to fuck up for JJ to go in because that's what it feels like for me I don't think it's going to be like you know a Drew Henson Tom Brady type thing like you't think it's going to be like, you know, a Drew Henson, Tom Brady type thing. Like, you know, where it's kind of like one, a one B it feels like you've got Kate is like the bona fide guy. And JJ is like, you know, I mean, he's, he's there not to say that he's just there. Obviously he's an amazing talent, but I see it from, from what I've seen so far. I mean, obviously I'm not, I'm not in there like you are, but it just seems like that would be, that would be insane to me at this point. Yeah, I don't know if it's a huge fuck up.

I think I envision it being more something where the offense is just kind of dead in the water. They're not moving the ball. They need some life. You know, it might be an afternoon game. Things are going slow. They're not putting points on the board. You can see the way the energy changed when JJ came in the game. I mean, the fans want to see it.

There's excitement every time. Standing ovation. Right. So changed when JJ came in the game. I mean, the fans want to see it. There's exciting innovation. Right. So it changed the environment in the stadium. And I do think if Michigan gets into a game where, you know, they're struggling offensively and they're not moving the ball, I wouldn't be surprised one bit to see Harbaugh throw McCarthy out there just to kind of get the juices flowing. And if he takes over, we've seen this before.

Yeah, I see that. I mean, you saw with Jalen Hurtson too. Right. Somebody comes in, they start moving the ball, the crowd gets excited, there's energy, there's something there. You kind of got to ride with it. And I think probably more so than any other year, I think this coaching staff is willing to ride the hot hand,

whether it's at the quarterback position, whether it's at the running back position. We saw it with Blake Corum. Like, Hassan Haskins got the start, but even Blake said that Mike Hart was riding the hot hand. And once Blake kind of broke off a couple of those runs, it was like, all right, get them out there. Let's, let's keep them going until he needs a breather. And so I do think that's a positive change with this coaching staff. I think they're far more willing to just kind of ride the hot hand. And I think the biggest change with the

roster is don't get me wrong. Cade wants to be out there, but if there's a switch that's made, it's not going to be catastrophic to the environment. And I think that that's, that's crucial. Yeah. I mean, the thing that I, I, I agree with you in that this coaching staff there, they have nothing to lose is, I mean, they have everything to lose, but nothing to lose if they, if they try out JJ, right. You can go back to Cade if you need to, I don't think Cade's confidence is going to be destroyed. You know, I don't think this like offense is going to stall whatever. And I think they can't leave any, you know, they can't, they, they got to play all their cards for sure. Otherwise, you know, at seven and five, it's over right for, for Jim probably. But I still think that with Cade you know we we kind of mentioned the

game manager thing I think that's a little bit of his mo but we also saw that he made every throw he needed to he dropped that dime to Ronnie for 74 yards he dropped the dime to Ronnie on the right side as well on the one-handed catch so you know he's it's not that he's like just making you know okay throws he made great throws and that that was where I thought he separated himself if we if we saw Cade come in here miss those big throws but then make the you know dink and dunk ones and then JJ comes in and launches a bomb and hits him in stride then we'd say okay hold on i think we need to test out jj but with with kade making those throws i thought that was where he said okay all right i can do it all i i can do anything you need me to yeah

oh go ahead no go go ahead oh sorry um well he's, Cade, you know, I call him, you know, Jake Ruddock 2.0 because that's really what we need. But I mean, also, I think we can sleep on Cade a little bit. Right. Because don't forget, he has like the most passing yards in Nevada high school history. Well, that's that's a great point. And that's what I was going to say. You know, he gets that game manager sort of moniker. But look at what he did out in Nevada. I think he had over 12000 career passing yards like he was not a game manager. He was moving the ball down the field. He was putting up points. He was put it was high powered offense. So he's clearly got that in him. The big question is during the game when he's put in a position where it's on his shoulders and he's got to make a play. Can he get to that next level? And I think that that's, it's crazy. If you, you know, you guys think about it, how long Michigan has gone without that guy. Like they had Denard Robinson who was electric. He was

a playmaker, but outside of that, we haven't really had a quarterback who was like, you know what? That's the guy that's the unquestioned QB one. We're going into the season. We know, we know we've got our guy. And I don't know how that happens at the University of Michigan. Like I did an article months ago where I went over, like since 2000, I did a side-by-side list of the quarterbacks at Ohio State and the quarterbacks at the University of Michigan. And when you look at those two rosters, it's just insane. Like we're, you know, World Corn, Rud um, you know, three, like all of these guys. And then there has to be three. It's just, they have had athletes at that

position that can, that are game changers. And we haven't quite had that yet. The one guy we did have Denard Robinson was able to get the W against Ohio state. I know it was in an off year, but that's still Ohio state. And I don't care if it's an off year or not. At this point, I'll take a win against Ohio, however the hell it comes. Don't sleep on Devin Gardner, though. What's that? Don't sleep on Devin Gardner. He came very, very close. Sure. But you know what? But that's a case of, I mean, imagine being Devin Gardner in your career. You go in as a quarterback, they switch you to ride wide receiver you compete with Denard they put you back at quarterback like I feel like or Devin is one of those guys that I feel like if he had been managed properly his Michigan career probably turns out quite a bit

different I mean he was a tremendous athlete I think a lot of people forget how good of a quarterback he was and he certainly didn't live up to the hype at Michigan and I don't think that's entirely on them. All right. I'm going to, I'm going to throw this out there. I think this is, I think I've come up with the best case scenario for Michigan football in terms of coaching staffs.

Okay. All right. So you got Jim Harbaugh, who is the head coach. He's the CEO guy, but you got rich rod coming in as the old coordinator. We're running this, what running the spread offense. I mean, that was when Michigan's offense was putting up 60, but the problem was that he, he ran a shit defense, right? So you bring in Brady Hoke as the D D coordinator, because he's the D,

you know, D line coach. He's the recruiter as well. So I, I think, you know, that fixes everything that, that solves all our issues, right? Can we dig up for it's Chrysler and get him on the sideline? Let's just bring him up. Let's bring them all back. Let's bring them all out. I talked to Brandon about that. Like, I wish there was a way we could clone some of these old coaches

and bring them back so that people would be happy. This is like the Avengers of Michigan football. Right. Oh, my God. But, yeah, you know, do you guys think Rich Rodriguez got a fair shake? I mean, do you think that perception from the fan base when it comes to Rich Rod is fair? I don't think he was accepted, like, right away.

People were just like, what the fuck is this? But you remember, I mean, what was it, Pat White at West Virginia with him? I mean, their offense was electric. And we don't get Denard without Rich Rod. Exactly. You don't get Denard without Rich Rod. Exactly. You don't get Denard. You don't get the September GOAT, Tate Forcier. There you go.

You got some quarterbacks right there, my friend. Yeah. And I think it was even Devin Gardner who said that. And I put up an article about this a while ago. I don't remember what the interview was, but he had said something to the effect of he thought it was a mistake to fire Rich Rod because the offense was headed in the right direction. Obviously the defense was terrible, but he could have restructured on the defensive side. Offensively, they had it going. And you

can see that that's where college football offenses went to that spread offense, that dynamic playmaker, right? The dynamic playmaker at the quarterback position, he ushered that into the big 10. And that's a primary reason why Ohio state is as successful as they are now, because they started recruiting towards that type of offense. So yeah, I don't think he got a fair shake with Michigan. Um, I know he was kind of like, so, so as a person, and I think there were some off the field things, um, that, that were, there were some issues there with rich rod, but overall, you know, from a coaching standpoint, the defense was, you know, I think it wasreg robinson who was a defensive coordinator so painful to watch

but offensively it was a pleasure that was that was his big issue so there were times when greg robinson was running a defense that he had no idea how to run rich rod was saying we need to run the 335 or whatever that that bullshit defense was and and those players would go to Greg Robinson and say coach what are we doing and he'd say I don't know coach made me do it seriously like he was Rich Rod was that stubborn and so I I think that I mean Rich Rod has said it from the moment he got fired till the day he's going to die is he'll say, if I had one more year, we would have went 10 and two or something like that. Well, look at what hope did.

And they did. Yeah. And so I, I don't, I don't totally not believe him. I believe him to an extent, but if you, you can't be that stubborn and come in and like, obviously things weren't working on the defensive side of the ball, dude. Like, I don't know, figure something out, you know, make a couple adjustments. So, um,

Well, and it's, you know, it sucks because for guys like rich rod and Brady hope, because they, they get, you know, the brunt of the anger for why Michigan football has been down for so long. But I would argue that it didn't start with the hiring of rich rod. It started with the firing of Rich Rod because you made such a significant swing to go to one type of offense that that Rich Rod was like specific that was his baby you know and you abandon that three years in and you go back to sort of more traditional and so I think that was the move that really set this

program back um but you know hindsight is 2020 and we're far removed from that. And all I would say to people who, you know, continue to say that, you know, a rebuild takes 10 years. It doesn't take 10 years. Like, like this program should be up and humming along more so than it's been. I think everybody would agree on that, but, you know, it seems like at least early here in this year that things are headed in the right direction finally, but we'll see. You know, it's funny too, because I think hindsight has become more 2020. The more people that I talk to who are a little bit more aware about Michigan football, they have that same kind of idea where they're like, I think we got rid of Rich Rod a little bit too early. There's not been that many people that i've

encountered that are like yeah rich rod sucks we did a great job you know like i don't know do you guys think that that perception has changed as time has gone on just amongst a lot of michigan fans or is that kind of just us saying this no i i think i agree pete there's been i think there are a few more people that say that every year. Um, I think also there's something to that. People are just grasping for anything. They're looking for any answer. Cause we, you know, you, you, you thought it was rich rod. Then you thought it was Brady hope to Michigan man. Then Jim Harbaugh is the obvious savior, right? Like it's a no doubter, right right there's no way he's in a super bowl the year before you know like so so what what you know how could that not work and so i think people are just like trying to you know they'll cling to anything at this point i i think that people also look at it a little bit with uh without the the you know maize and blue goggles. And so they step away and say, oh, maybe he didn't get a fair shake too. I think not enough people are talking about the switch to Adidas.

I put full blame on that. I put full blame on that. How many good football schools do you see wearing Adidas? I mean, obviously. Has there ever been an Adidas school in the college football playoff? I don't think so. I don't think so. Yeah.

Nope. That's all you need to know right there. I'm pretty sure as soon as Notre Dame switched from Adidas to Under Armour, they went to the college football playoff. They didn't prove. They didn't prove. It's crazy how bad they are at college football uniforms. I don't know.

I don't necessarily hate Adidas, but, man, they just cannot figure out the college football uniform thing. Even when they try to come out with cool alternates, they just – They're brutal. I mean, you look at Louisville versus Ole Miss that was on Monday. I mean, Ole Miss with the baby blue. Oh, man, I love those baby blues. But then you see Louisville and he's all red, weird textured, like super tight.

It's just – it's a bad look. Adidas is just a bad look. The wrong football. The wrong football. Yeah, exactly. Football. football. The wrong football. Yeah, exactly. Football. The last thing we need to talk about here is

the social media war that's going on on Twitter. I'll see you later. It's become a tradition at the, at the big house. It actually wasn't at the end of the third quarter this week. It was, it was a little bit earlier, but it's normally at the end of the third quarter in the third though. Right. Still.

Yeah. It was in the third. They had a, they had to do a recognition at the end of the third quarter. So they needed that longer time out there to do that. But anyway, so Mr. Brightside that has taken, you know, I thought taken Michigan stadium by storm. The, I thought, I'll just, I'll be honest going into it. I didn't think there were many,

if any people that really opposed mr brightside in the big house because i saw what you know obviously you have 110 000 that seemingly sing it um it's loud it's made its round on social media barstool you know espn unnecessary roughness blah blah blah um but there have been a couple people out there on social media one of them might be on the podcast right now uh that have been a little bit of against it so with that chris i'll give you the floor to to say your piece here well let me start off by saying i got i feel like i gotta get this out of the way right away i I do not hate the song, Mr. Brightside. I like the song. I like the killers. I don't mind any of it. But for me, the issue that, and this started,

I don't know, months ago when I was talking to Brandon, obviously we're partners with the SI stuff. We were traveling up to Ferris State for one of the football camps. And we were just kind of talking about football and talking about being back in Michigan stadium. And I brought it up. I was like, yeah, that's the one thing that I just wish they would change. And for me, it's always been not because I don't like the killers or not because I don't like Mr. Brightside, but because I look at environments across the country, like death Valley or what they're doing at, you know, in Madison would jump around or enter Sandman with Virginia tech. And to me, those are more sinister type. When you're the opposing team and you're in that environment,

it's intimidating. You can tell that that house is rocking and it's going to be a long night. I don't mind that they do Mr. Brightside. I just didn't want that to be Michigan's answer to jump around or something else. So if they continue that tradition, that's great. But I would like to see the big house kind of rally and do something at the end of the third, you know, wherever it's going to happen to specifically for the football players, where the whole stadium gets hype and

everybody's just kind of going crazy. And it's more of like, uh, I don't know, you know what it is like you you're at the gym or you're working out or you're playing. You hear a song that makes you want to just take somebody's fucking head off. Like that's what I want the players to feel. I want them to feel that energy. And when you watch what happens in Madison, you know, the players were down there jumping around to looking at the crowds like it was it was like a stadium wide party. And I would love for something like that to come to the big house because it's the biggest stadium. And I would love for the fan base to, you know, do right by the big house because it's the biggest stadium and i would love for the fan base to you know do right by the big house it's a phenomenal venue it's arguably the best venue in the world fans could get up a little bit more that's my opinion was that a long-winded excuse i loved it i thought it was perfect i'm excited to see what justin has to say about this

well i mean you you walked back a lot from from what it was originally. Oh, yeah. No, hold on. So I listened to your podcast, and I actually, whoever it was that suggested play it at halftime, I would see, Jack, to me that was a great suggestion because then the fans, they still get to keep their tradition that they absolutely love. The players are in the locker room. And then when the players come back out, again, it's all about the players. Where I did walk back a little bit is I didn't understand

how much that song meant to the Michigan student body. And I get it if it's more for them than it is for the players. I've always been looking at it as it's something for the players, not for the fans. But if that's the mindset for it, I guess it is what it is. I don't want that to be our answer to jump around. I want our answer to jump around to be like my wife came up with dmx my wife she was like why don't you play dmx i'm like yes that's why i married you okay yeah well i love a little swag surfing man well i heard i heard we might get some of that right that's like we did it i guess what i imagine what i imagine is but see that's that's right just right there you did. And I don't even know about it wasn't on social media. Nobody was going crazy about it. Like, we got to get the whole state. They played swag surfing and they. All right. So here's what happened on this student at the student pep rally. They showed them, hey, here's swag surfing. Everybody was doing it. They showed them how to do it. And then they play it in the game and nothing nobody did anything so see yeah so there you go the student body's got to take a little bit of ownership here

like if you want to get amped up about mr brightside cool because that's for you guys but keep that same energy when it's for something for the players because i guarantee if the big house got lit with swag surfing and it wasn't just the student section but it was the blue hairs and everybody in between oh the blue hairs get me going that would be that would be probably the most electric you know the electric celebration what are the blue hairs what are the blue hairs gonna say when dmx says suck my cock well that's you're gonna get the edited version you know you're gonna get the edit somebody asked me about that i like i dubbed over like a dmx song going crazy and they were like i'm all for it i just don't know about the repetitive n-word and the killing or whatever there was there was a lot of pushback i'll tell you this on mr bright side because if she takes

off her dress now so okay so so that's what we're working with people that's all i have to say is you you want to try all these new things but that's what we're working with people. That's all I have to say is you want to try all these new things, but that's what we're working with. And you know what part of it might be is, you know, there's always this like I'm more of like a creative guy. Like I'm always thinking about how I can, you know, do something more creatively or what Michigan could do to sort of amp up the atmosphere or whatever. And maybe it's more so like I just got to accept the fact that Michigan is never going to be like a death Valley. It's never, you know, it's going to be its own thing. I see these other environments that appeal to me more. And obviously that's something that I want to see in the big house,

but I also don't want to take away a tradition that the students love because I think that's cool too. So it's just, I wish we could find like a nice balance of the Mr. Brightside stuff with the hardcore, all right, let's get our guys up. Well, first of all, I will say you mentioned enter Sandman for Virginia Tech. I mean, they do do Thunderstruck or Power by Kanye at the beginning during the entrance, and then they do Seven Nation Army Classic. So that's a little bit of a balance, and they do you know seven nation army classic so they'll

that's a little bit of a balance and they do that throughout the rest of the game this is like the one part but i here's my compromise i guess what if you do mr brightside during that break but then when you're bringing it back and the team's taking the field you go back to like a seven nation army or something i love it i absolutely something right is that the perfect compromise i love it i love it go ahead i'm looking to like modernize though like you remember penn state white out 2019 and they're playing mo bamba that's oh yeah but they don't get so loud that i can't hear the commentators on tv you Well, it's a different stadium. I think to Chris's point, you just have to –

Michigan Stadium, it goes like this. It's a bowl that goes out. The sound goes out. There's no excuse, though. There's 100,000 people there. I mean, that's a good point, though. You talk to – I heard Braylon on Woodward Sports or whatever show he's on with another guy,

and he was talking about the same thing. It's a bowl. The sound goes up. But he said there's certain times where it was like it was against Ohio State. I believe it was 0-4. Could be wrong with that. It was the 100th meeting. And there's times where the stadium got really, really loud.

It's kind of got to be a perfect storm from everybody being up and amped about it. I'll just say this from somebody who was in the press box. How do I want to put this? Humble brag. Well, no, there's a secret floor. I'll just say that. There's a secret floor in the press box. And I was there listening where it's open air.

So you're not behind the glass. You're actually, you're above the bowl and you're looking down on everybody. And I'll tell you what, man, it was loud as fuck up there. So I do subscribe. I was questionable initially, like, man, it was loud as fuck up there. So I do subscribe. I was questionable initially, like, okay, how much sound is really going out, but when you're above it all and the sound is coming up at you, it's absolutely incredible. So I do think there's a lot to that, but just like Justin was saying, like I mentioned before, I do think that there's, you know, you just got to accept that, you know, the Michigan,

Michigan stadium is always going to be its own thing. It's never going to be like some of these other stadiums that you see. And, you know, but, but these, here's where the issue I have is that this conversation became so personal. And so like, like, like the vitriol over the last few days, like personal attacks, like I get it. I get that fans love it. And if they love it and if they love it cool i'm all for it but like i said before i want what the players want and if the players want it i want if they don't want it i don't want and i don't know how the players feel about it i

only know how jaylen mayfield feels about it and that's kind of where what i'm basing my thinking off of so here's the other thing with that that that it's kind of like, I mean, nobody would know this, right, unless you got this. But they've asked the players. The players will give, like, their suggestions. Hey, play this. Hey, play this. Hey, play this. And then here's what happens when they play it.

They're all in their timeouts or they're doing whatever and they don't respond. And so then when they don't respond, then it's like, all right, what the fuck did we play that for? Because the team didn't respond. Then this crowd don't respond and so then when they don't respond then it's like all right what the fuck did we play that for because the team didn't respond then the this crowd didn't respond so like there's a there's that ownership that you're talking about i think that the players probably don't know a what goes into the production of a game day you know and b for me it's like hey guess what i don't care what they're playing if you can't get jacked out to 110 000 people screaming for you then you got a problem right like i that's where i come from like

i played at fucking concordia and we had 500 people and yeah and and like when we scored a touchdown i'd get jacked up because the crowd was all standing up you know so like i i think that you're getting a little greedy if you're a player and you're like oh we didn't play you know blah blah blah i'm sorry but like well fuck man really sound like an old man when you're when you're like i had a guy on a tractor i walked uphill both ways to school too i uh i i just you know i don't i don't know like i said i don't know if the players hate it i, you know, I don't know. Like I said, I don't know if the players hate it. I don't know, like, I don't know what the situation is with the players. I just think, man, it was really interesting to see that conversation take off.

And it became a really hot debate. And we said this before, you know, before we went, you know, sort of live here on the podcast that, you know, the Michigan fan base has been on trial for the last three days. And if you look on social media, there's people talking up Mr. Brightside, and there's just as many people saying, look at that, like they're soft, they can't get up for a game. And I said this to you guys before we went on that it's, you know, it's primetime television under the lights, you know, in front of the entire country, the Michigan crowd is going to have the chance to like put it all on display and see how lit they can get. And so I think that the conversation that's taken place over the last three or four days is going to contribute a whole hell of a lot to the environment being louder. I know we're going to hear Mr. Brightside, like

at a level we probably haven't heard out of spite, probably more than anything else. But I do think the crowd is going to be up for it and and i i hope they are because man michigan under the lights the big house it's just it's it's borderline magic when it happens it is it is you know what i almost want to hear too is like the um i don't know what do you what do you call it now uh not dubstep or trap but like a remix version of mr brightside like the like on the Big Booty mix, where it's like whatever. There you go. If there's something like that, they already know the lyrics to it, so you're not really...

I mean, shit. Put it over some little baby track, you know, and just rework the... That might solve the problem right there. That's the other thing. Like I saw on social media, they were like, these old heads, like, you know, they just don't like it. And it like i'm pushing for money bag yo this ain't no like come on i'm pushing for the hard stuff well you want to know the best part of this too and this

is a little inside scoop for saturday that but we're we're gonna get a possible message from somebody that's going to add to this all. I mean, it's just adding to everything that's leading up to it. I'm actually surprised there's not going to be a halftime performance, to be quite honest with you. I figured that's where this was headed. Like, you know what? We're breaking up. I personally am paying $100,000 to have the killers come play just to prove my point. I took out a loan just to prove you guys wrong.

Well, you know, I'm only going to speak for myself. I don't necessarily mind the tradition. If there's something else that kind of just gets the crowd hype. And I think when you sit back and you watch some of these other tremendous atmospheres, you look at the big house and you're like 110,000, 115,000, we could do something spectacular. And so you're always kind of wanting to see that. And, you know, I don't necessarily think that's a bad thing. Always wanting to be better, always wanting to do something cooler, but you know, man, people got to find a way to exchange ideas a little bit better. It's social media too.

I was going to say, asking people to be better on social media is a lost cause. So fuck all of you. We said it beforehand. We said too much went right in the game that nobody had anything to be mad about. So we had to find something to be mad about. Yeah, we were confused how to do that, you know? So, all right, well let's get, let's get a prediction here for the game on Saturday from you. So 8 PM Michigan versus Washington.

Why don't you, before you do that, why don't you plug yourself here real quick? Tell us where people can find you. Yeah. So obviously I run the wing helmet Facebook page. That's kind of the main page. And then the wing helmet on Instagram, you'll be able to find us. And then I also write contributing articles for sports illustrated. I cover all Michigan athletics. So we started doing this new thing where after the game, we go live to sort of talk about what we saw and what we heard, but this week we're going to go live pregame, probably about 20 minutes before the game starts,

just kind of talk about what we're seeing down on the field, give somebody some or give people insight into the environment, kind of show the camera like around the stadium so people can see what it looks like. And it's been a pretty cool thing so far, like going live and giving people like an inside look like what's going on in the press box, what's going on during pregame. If you can't be there, it's been a pretty cool thing. Cool.

All right. Well go follow Chris, check all his stuff out. He does some pretty good graphics and stuff like that. Cool stuff. As well as, you know, his very professional journalism.

He's been at it for a whole year now. So you're getting really good at it now. I can tell. Yeah. And go follow him there. And then. All right. So your prediction, Michigan versus Washington primetime, 8 p.m. Michigan Stadium. What do you got? I got Michigan 34 13. I just didn't see enough from the Washington offense. And I think you saw the Michigan defense settle in a little bit. I think there's some confidence they've got that game

under their belt. Now, when you combine that with what I anticipate is going to be a raucous environment, I just think Washington is really going to struggle to contain that defensive front from Michigan. I see Aiden Hutchinson going crazy. I see David Ojabo going crazy. And then I think you're going to see A.J. Henning do a lot in the special teams game. So I got Michigan comfortably 34-13. And I will give them credit for the win because I still think it's a big win. This is a game that they have to win. People are looking at it as a lose-lose situation. To me, that's why I'm even willing to give them more props for the win because you are going into a situation like that if you handle your business that's what that's what they're

the coaches are paid to do and even some of the players are paid to do things to nil so finish the job get it done 34 13 get it done get it done all right there you go you got your prediction there uh we appreciate you coming on thanks Thanks again. Go follow Chris at the winged helmet. What's your, your Twitter is like winged helmet or something like that. You know what? I don't even know what my Twitter handle is. To be honest,

I never used Twitter. Like I'm, I'm so diversified that I don't know how to use a lot of social media platforms. When I say I'm an old head, like I'm legit. Man, you're really,

you're really talking. And we're listening to your stuff. We're listening to your stuff. We're listening to your ideas here. You're a blue hair. I'll tell you what you need to do. All right. All right. Well, check him out.

Well, you know, on the Facebook. Facebook's where it's at. Just type in the link down below. On the MySpace and Zynga and stuff, you can... Hit me up on AIM. We can direct chat. There you go.

Are we not going to do our own predictions here? I was curious to hear you guys. I was thinking maybe we would do them on Saturday when we did something ourselves. We can save it. We can save it for that. All right. Save it. Give the people something to look forward to. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. We'll be shocking a couple truly. Sorry about my cat. Special guest. Yeah.

We, you know, we, people are going to be looking forward to our expert analysis here. You know, they, they, I know people sit on pins and needles for what we're, we, what we literally on, you can't see it, but I am on the edge of my seat right now. I'm like hanging out by a thread. Oh my God. So for us, you can follow us at blue by 90 on Twitter, Instagram, and Facebook at blue by 90 podcast on YouTube.

We're going to try and go live on Saturday from the tailgate or something like that on YouTube, Twitter, Instagram, whatever we got. We are throwing another big tailgate this weekend. So, Chris, if you want to stop by, I don't know if you can sneak a truly into the press box or not, but we'll have a full, you know, a ton of truly. We're going to have a full keg as well. We're going to be in our spot in the Chrysler Arena parking lot. So stop by before you go into the stadium when you're coming off Pioneer

or the golf course or wherever. We'll be there starting at 1 p.m. until about game time and then pack it up. And so, once again again we are presented by Truly so appreciate it shout out to Truly we are a Truly squad only here we don't even talk about the other one the other out there are there any other ones

I don't know yeah irrelevant but come by we'll have we may even have some pom-poms to uh to give out too because that that may be another treat that's happening in michigan stadium alcohol pom-poms i mean i mean i can't imagine not stopping exactly exactly what else can we offer here for you so um but thank you again ch Chris, for coming on. We appreciate it. Thanks to all the listeners out there. We appreciate you.

Uh, other than that, go blue, go blue, go blue.