Blue By Ninety - Hello darkness, my old friend

Episode Date: November 30, 2020

Michigan Football is bad. Michigan Basketball is here. The boys are sad. Everyone grab a beer.

All right. Welcome back to Blue by 90. I am Justin joined by Jack and Kalen and Michigan is the worst football team in America. So thanks for listening. That was our analysis for this week. We will catch you all next week. Thanks. Go basketball. Go basketball. all right all right i guess we'll talk a little bit about this game but i i don't i'm pretty speechless because they really are the worst team in america from what it looks like yeah i mean i don't even know where to start do we just want to talk about the negatives and then and then i've got a couple positives there are a couple positives let's start with the positives let's like you know because i feel like everyone's down out there um i jack go ahead with the positives. Let's like, you know, because I feel like everyone's down out there. Jack, go ahead with your positives. So my positives are more player-oriented. Hassan Haskins, another solid game from him.

And Jermon Green, I think he had another solid game in the secondary. So that's it. That's it. They're good. Everybody else, I don't even want to watch anymore. I think Vince Gray, too, right? He's been kind of steadily progressing week to week. He didn't make any mistakes that really stick out in my mind. So I'm going to say he had a decent game, too.

I mean, just in general, the secondary is not the reason Michigan's losing football games at this point. I thought that the secondaries played well. I saw on Pro Football Focus they do the grades every week, and Jermon Green I think had a 90. So really, really good. I mean, talk about the progression. So Mike Zordich out there, you know, doing well with those guys. Dramatic improvement from week one, two, three, four from the beginning of the season. I mean, and Hassan Haskins, you know what?

He doesn't get shit for holes and he just pounds the rock, man. He runs downhill. He squirms. He squeaks for leaky yardage. He's just he's like the only guy, not the only guy, but one of the only guys bringing intensity and firing off the ball every single play. Yeah, I mean, all those third down conversions, they were all him. It wasn't the old line himself. Yeah, it wasn't the old line creating holes or anything.

It's just him just saying, like, man, I got to do something to try to keep this team in the game. They were all him. It wasn't the O-line. By himself. Yeah, it wasn't the O-line creating holes or anything. It's just him just saying, like, man, I got to do something to try to keep this team in the game. And he was converting them single-handedly. He was the offense. Can you imagine being like Josh Gaddis and you, like, here on the headset? Like, just give it to Hassan. Give it to Hassan. Yeah.

I mean, why wouldn't you? So, I mean, all all right those are the positives actually let me touch i actually want to say kade mcnamara was a positive because he looked good i thought he looked really good this the offense was rolling before he got hurt um and then i'm gonna just applaud him for fighting through it and toughing it out because um in a in a world where it's it's easy to just bail out especially on a two and three football team um you know that shows no signs of promise right now he was like fuck it i'm staying in and 50 kade magnum era apparently is still better than joe milton right now what the hell is that?

What was I just going to say about Hassan, though? Him being subbed out after he has a good drive? Jesus Christ. I mean, he saw one carry in the next three possessions after he had a 60-yard run and had like 75 yards total on that drive and a touchdown. Three straight possessions, he gets one carry. What are you doing?

I'm just sitting there scratching my head that entire game. Yeah, we all were. I don't even think Zach Charbonnet got any carries. He had zero. He must have been hurt. I don't think he got in the game at all, yeah. He didn't see any action. So I'm going to assume he's hurt or shit, has already entered the transfer portal,

and we just don't know about it, which is very possible as well. I did see before we started recording that he put up a picture of him in, like, in uniform on the field. Oh, they did? If that means anything or not, I don't know. But, yeah, we didn't see him at all, and I didn't see him listed on the injury list at all. So I don't know what's going on with Charbonnet. I don't know. But, yeah, we didn't see him at all, and I didn't see him listed on the injury list at all. So I don't know what's going on with Charbonnet. I don't know either. But, okay, so my thing about taking Haskins out.

So I'm assuming that just like any other football team, they have different personnel groups, right? And so they'll call, you know, all right, Wolfpack, right? That's the personnel group that's going in. And if Hassan's not on that, then it's Blake Corum or Chris Evans, and that's who plays. And so no matter who's hot or who's playing well, those guys still go in. That's fine. That is normal, right? But if you're Jim Harbaugh and you see Hassan Haskins playing well,

I think there should be a card that he can pull out, a veto card, whatever you want to call it, and say, hey, Josh, I don't give a shit who's in Wolfpack right, if it's Chris Evans or Blake Horum. I want Hassan in there because he is going to run the ball hard for me. And no disrespect because I still think chris evans and blake played uh really well but like you just have to ride the hot hand sometimes sometimes whether it's in i mean think about the the let's use the analogy to the basketball game

the trey digs kid uh for for uh bowling green not their leading scorer but they gave him the ball because he made like four threes in a row. And you're going to keep feeding him until he misses. Why not do the same thing? Exactly. Exactly. I have no explanation for this. It's just fucking ridiculous, man. And like you said, I mean, why is Harbaugh not – you talked about it last week or two weeks ago.

We probably talked about it every week. Why is he not saying what the fuck is going on? Why is Haskins not in the talked about it last week or two weeks ago. We probably talked about it every week. Why is he not saying, what the fuck is going on? Why is Haskins not in the game? He's got a headset on. He might as well be Brady Hoke at this point not wearing his headset. Seriously. Yeah. Yeah.

That's what it feels like. I mean, it happened – obviously, everyone's talking about Haskins. But it happened with A.J. Henning later in the game too. He mossed that dude, had an unbelievable catch. They panned to him, and he's on the sideline for the next play. A.J. Henning later in the game, too. He mossed that dude, had an unbelievable catch. They panned to him, and he's on the sideline for the next play. And I'm like, I can't remember what formation they were running, so maybe he was.

But, like, when guys make plays, reward them. Ride that train out. See what happens. I mean, it seemed like Penn state's running back had like i he had 15 carries on the year before this and then he had 22 carries for 120 yards or something like that yesterday dude the d-line was getting manhandled yesterday all day there was nothing they could do nothing they could do the penn state's O-line was getting pushed right off the ball, and there was no penetration from the D-line at all. They were just having a field day. There was literally five 10-yard runs.

Boom, boom, boom, boom. That whole first drive. Couldn't stop them at all. Dude, you know what's funny about riding the hot hand kind of player? There's teams where that's their entire philosophy, right? I mean, a team like Purduedue right where you don't really have anyone except rondale moore your whole philosophy is get rondale the ball and let him just do stuff so it's it's funny that there's teams like that's all they do and then us we're like

nah fuck that we're not doing that it's like what what it's it, honestly, yesterday I thought it was more apparent than ever before. But it was almost like literally if a player had a good play or a good drive, you could say, all right, we're not going to see him for the next series. You could confidently say that, yeah. And so I just don't understand that. So the rotations are – You want to of the most upsetting thing about yesterday i think i think ro you tweeted it out from blue by 90 but sean clifford had nine carries for 73 yards dude he looked like the gump white dude we were talking about last episode was running around and not getting touched he did

it with his arm and his legs and how many times did i mean let's talk about the missed tackles oh my god it seemed like every play that i would love to know the stat of yards after contact for penn state because they i don't know i don't remember very many times at all where we hit them and they went down right there it was always bounce off at least one um Sean Clifford is is like outrunning Josh Ross uh you know I it's again it's just unexplainable. I can't find the words. It's like the entire Penn State Nittany Lions was just all Marshawn Lynch. That's what it seemed like. What the hell is going on?

That's what this defense made them look like. And it wasn't on the secondary this time. It's fucking the linebackers and the D-line just getting manhandled that entire game. We talked about it this morning on their first drive every single play obviously john clifford is not a freshman but every other play was to a freshman every single play except for one shot to a freshman who has basically not much experience at all their star running back journey brown had to retire like just a couple weeks ago yeah so this dude has not seen much action whatsoever but i mean how easy did that look on that first drive they had no issues at all they could have done whatever they wanted that drive and would have scored and that's the first time they've scored

all season on an opening drive we've been down seven nothing every single game seven straight weeks six straight weeks i you're never i don't care how good your team is. You're not going to win football games just playing from behind. Because I believe this was another game where we never led. Never led. Didn't lead against Indiana. Didn't lead against Michigan State. Didn't lead against Wisconsin. Obviously led against Rutgersgers but not until the

final tick right or they're into overtime no we no we led in uh uh going in going into the fourth quarter i think i think kade brought him back up 28 21 or something okay either way though that's the fourth goddamn quarter right yeah against Rutgers right um so like the the time I mean I would love to know that stat too outside of the Michigan or the Minnesota game this team has led for probably like five minutes total in six games Five games, not counting Minnesota. It's like, dude, it's just nuts. I thought the play calling was horrendous on both sides. I thought Josh Gaddis was trying to, like, outsmart himself or something. I don't understand.

Like, it's another, like, it's the same idea as the rotations. When something's working, he is like, all right, that one worked. Check it off and we'll throw that page away. Yep. Burn it. Except for inside zone. He's like, he wants that to work so bad that he's just going to run it no matter how many times it gets stopped. I think it did work a couple times.

It worked better. Because of Hassan Haskins. Yeah, it worked work a couple times. It worked better on Haskins. Yeah, it worked a lot better yesterday, but still, like, fucking A, man. I mean, especially, well, I thought that in the second half, because it was obvious that Cade was injured and could not throw the ball downfield. So it seemed like we ran the same out routes every single play. It was inside zone on first and second down, and then third down was an out route that was usually short of the sticks.

Talk about the most frustrating thing to watch for your football team, and the Lions do this constantly. Michigan looks like the freaking Lions right now. They run. It'll be third and six and they run a four yard out route. And even if you catch it, it's not a first down. What I don't get to is apparently whoever was doing the commentary, whether it was Golik or whoever else was doing it for the game. They mentioned something about Milton having been hurt for the past few games. I don't think that's true.

Yeah, they said something about ribs, and I was like, I never heard about this. What? How would all of a sudden Golik know that, and nobody else knows that one bit? Yeah, so I don't know if that's true or not. And we know Cade, he fucked up his throwing shoulder. How are you not,

especially if you're throwing those same routes that they were throwing how can you not just put dan valari in there and you say fuck it let's see what happens anybody i mean i can throw a fucking out route i can throw a slant i mean these like at least put them in there and give them a shot if they're healthy if these other two guys are hurt throw somebody else in there dude i'm like I'm like, if you're going to even think about putting Joe in there, like, why are you not just fucking airing it out? Why aren't you just like Joe? We still need a deep ball.

Well, why wouldn't you just like, well, I know why. But if I was Jim Harbaugh, I would say, Joe, I don't care if it's intercepted. Just give the kid an opportunity to catch the ball. Throw it at the sun and let it drop down on him like a nuclear bomb. And just let the kid make a play. And at least then you've told him, right? And who knows? Especially when they were, especially on those third and shorts,

every single secondary guy for Penn State was just playing at the at the first down marker they were playing so short we could have blown the top off a million different times yet we continue to throw underneath again and again and again and i get it multiple times with those third downs too you're seeing guys bunched up all in the same area why are the guys not spread out because putting all the defenders in one area making it harder for your quarterback to complete a pass especially a guy if if you're playing cade he obviously doesn't have a ton of zip on the ball at that point um but let's talk about that guys how in the hell is kade mcnamara at 50 or maybe even less still a better option than joe milton is at this point dude that's something i wanted to i wanted to talk to you guys about what's up with mayfield's mom mom tweeting saying that they didn't set up milton

for success i mean what did she what is she saying right right there like i don't understand that i mean there's got to be something behind the scenes because you got to assume he's getting the same treatment as kade and when kade was healthy he looked a hell of a lot better than joe i mean i'm curious as to what she's kind of leaning at i get the impression that she's saying like kind of some stuff that we've been alluding to you know like hey we need to improve our players right we need to run schemes for our personnel we need to game plan taking care or you know taking mind of specific matchups and these are like all things that I see as a viewer, and I'm going, like, I don't know that we're really doing that, you know? I can't think of a QB that Jim Harbaugh has improved drastically since Jake Ruddock.

I think Wilton Spate, you could say, has improved. So do you think they're running different formations and whatnot for Cade than they are for Joe? Well, I mean... Because we saw Cade be successful. We saw Cade be successful. But, I mean, also, like, I sent out that comparison video, and, I mean, that guy pointed out, hey, you know, for whatever reason, when Cade's in there, they're running a WAM concept.

Hey, for whatever reason, when Cade's in there, they're running these new pick concepts. Why are they not doing that for Joe? Are they not confident in his arm? If you're not confident in his arm why are you putting them in the game you're in charge so that's what i mean when i say leadership is top down you're in charge you're making decisions you're improving your players that's on you jim harbaugh and coaches down yeah to me the whole thing about Mayfield's mom tweeting that out was, I don't even, I'm not even looking into what she said,

and if that's true or not or whatever. But to me, what that means is Jalen Mayfield has talked shit about these coaches to his parents enough that she felt that she needed to tweet that out. So if that's not an indictment on what's going on behind the scenes, then I don't know what is, because that's your one, pretty much one first round pick on the whole team,

right? It's like your best player, a hundred percent. And he is shitting on the coaches. And so what does that mean yeah that speaks to the culture right i mean no if you're not you can't have a good culture you're not gonna have a winning program yeah man yeah we all saw urban talk about you you know, you got to pop the hood, look at what's, what's going on in there. Right. So,

I mean, it's time to really pop the hood and get in there and, you know, clean off some of that shit. I, I can't stand having to listen to urban Meyer. Just talk shit about Michigan every time on college football, whatever Fox,

whatever they're fucking big, big kickoff or something. Grin on his face the whole time. Oh, 100%. The worst part is he's right about it all. Oh, yeah. He has great points, and then I'm just like, dude, I need to turn you off. Also, you know who else can get fucked is Mike Golick.

You know who else can get fucked? Oh, my God. that should be like your uh dude i should be peter griffin you know what grinds my gears who can get fucked i thought that when i was sitting there watching but i was like maybe it's just me maybe i'm just biased so i'm glad i'm glad you confirmed that shit the was talking shit the whole game. The whole game. And he's a big Notre Dame guy. So you just know that he is like, you know, yeah, he's trying to help them out and hurt Michigan's recruiting or whatever. I don't know. I just think that during a game like that, when you know that recruits are watching and stuff like that, if you're an alum of a big university that is a rival of a team, it's bad taste to just really talk shit.

You can give your analysis and stuff, but he went so deep into it multiple times. I'm also just salty. I think it's just us being salty fucking definitely definitely part of it um oh i did want to talk about then play calling on the defensive side too um i just thought obviously it's the talent level it's just the guys getting pushed around i mean everyone has career days against us apparently like even the secondary there are so many times on the secondary i thought that they played better but dex hill like backs off his guy on third and seven to play 15 yards off the ball it's like we're giving them a

a first down there because the guy runs his route to eight yards now nobody's within five yards and then he catches it and goes down it's like that's that's not him really easy that's not him dropping back as a safety either you're like he's man to man he's 15 yards off this guy there's one that uh jay do posted on twitter i don't know if you guys follow him, but he posted it. And Dax is one-on-one. He's like face-to-face with the guy. He literally dropped 15 yards back, and then they're still one-on-one, I guess. I know that Josh Ross is supposed to back up into the flats kind of, but he didn't back up far enough, I guess.

But I don't know man um hey maybe part of that is because michigan doesn't have a fucking safeties coach that works with them right now true what a fucking clusterfuck i think that still is like that kind of got glossed over but that that's the craziest thing ever to me. Isn't that ridiculous? How could you not just be like, dude, you have to show up to work? I want to know what happened. I'm very curious as to what the details are with that.

Because he was supposed to be a great guy. He wasn't supposed to be a great recruiter, but he's supposed to be a solid coach and a great developer of talent. So I'm interested to see what really happened with him and what's going on because we really haven't heard anything other than he wasn't there. Right. Like, I don't know if he was fired or not showing up or what. And that's the one position that we have a five-star at. Yeah. Yeah. Don't forget Chris Hinton.

Yeah. Well, you know what? All right. Yeah. Yeah. Don't forget Chris Hinton. Yeah. Well, you know what? Chris Hinton might as well be a two-star at this point, man. He is not showing up at all. Oh, man. I don't know, man. So, all right. Well, so Michigan loses to Penn State, gets them their first win of the year.

Now Michigan has a chance if they don't win next week then they will go winless at home for the first time in program history so i know it's a short season and i know like that wouldn't have happened probably if 2020 was normal but i mean these are like, this is not just a down year. These are records that are being broken of 140 years of Michigan football. So. Speechless. And we're in fucking year six of Jim, of the one guy that was supposed to come in and change everything.

You think Matt Campbell will still be available at the end of the one guy that was supposed to come in and change everything. Do you think Matt Campbell will still be available at the end of the year? I'm actually not huge on Matt Campbell. Oh, all right. Let's get into that. Let's get into that. Let's hear it. I was talking to Nate earlier today about Matt Campbell. Well, Nate's a big Matt Campbell guy.

He's sending me Matt Campbell pregame speeches. I mean, he's a great talker. That dude is a great speaker. I heard that speech. I was like, dude, let's go for a run. Let's go do something. Like, I'm ready. But, no, when I looked it up, Matt Campbell has not beat Iowa.

He can't beat his rivals either. So that doesn't mean he's a bad coach. He's beat fucking Oklahoma, right? He beat Texas. He's been there since like 2016, I think, and he still hasn't beat his rival. Yeah, I mean, that's something. I'm questionable there. I would say that Iowa State, when he got there,

was literally the worst team in the Big 12. It was terrible. And Iowa is a 9-3 team. Kirk Ferentz has been there for fucking 60 years, it seems like now. And they do the same thing every year. So I wouldn't read too far into that. A contrary stat is that he has beat every single team in the Big 12. So he's beat the top in the Big 12.

He's beat, obviously, the bottom and the middle. So I don't know, man. I think he's turned that ship around pretty dang quick in four years from nothing to now their Big 12 championship. Very true. I'm not taking anything away from him. And if he came here, I would definitely be throwing a party. That is interesting that he hasn't beaten Iowa. But also, this is his first time having a really good team. Last year, they were solid. The team. Last year they were solid.

The year before that they were improving. I mean this year – If they would have played Iowa this year, I think they would have throttled him. Yeah. I thought they did already. I don't know why throttled, but yeah, they would have – Did they already play Iowa? No, Iowa's only played Big Ten schools.

Yeah, I was going to say. I don't think they played them this year. Oh, okay. Yeah. No, I think – I like Matt Campbell. So here's what I'm worried about Michigan doing. Because the signing day is like right after Michigan's last game. And so I'm worried that they extend his contract or sign him to something just to get through signing day.

And then they say, all right, we have a month grace period or something like that. We'll and then we'll make a decision after these guys all sign, which. I think I don't know if I see that happening. That would be really shitty. They're in such a pinch right now because they have to make a decision one way or the other because of the contract situation. So I just – I don't know if they will do that, but like it's one option I guess.

Not really an option, but like I could see it maybe happening. Either way, I thought that even up until last week, I was in the train that they were going to keep him and try a new D coordinator, right? I don't think we were even off the Harbaugh train. Like, we weren't obviously all bought in, but we were like, 2021, you've got all the weapons you need on offense. Gattis will be in year three of play calling.

He should be better. If you can get a good D coordinator in here to turn that thing around, you still have Dax Hill. You still have, like, you know, a lot of guys that are young and everything like that. Go give it one more shot in 2021. I would have been okay with that now just looking it's not even about the wins and losses i mean it definitely is but just looking at the way this team is playing for jim harbaugh i'm off it man there's no way i don't think there's any way you can come back no i mean it looks like they're playing for their other players like when

kade goes in looks like they're playing for him with players. Like when Cade goes in, looks like they're playing for him. With JJ McCarthy comes in, I think they'd play for him. And, you know, I think I don't, it could work, but what's the point of risking it if you know the guys aren't playing for the head coach right now? Cause it doesn't seem that way. Yeah. That's it's unfortunate. And I mean, we've had some good, good memories with Jim Harbaugh.

Right. I mean, seeing Jake Rudak improve and then beating Florida. That was dude. That was awesome. I was I was really happy to feel good about the first two years. 2016, we went into Ohio State. I was like, dude, this is the time we went to double overtime. That was sweet. Those those were great Jim Harbaugh times, right? Even that 10-win stretch in 2018. Yeah. Those were great Jim Harbaugh times. And I'm like, thank you, Jim, for those great memories of being a Michigan fan.

But, you know, the best rock stars got to know when to hang their guitar up. So this is the time, Jim. I feel like we're at a funeral i do just like i do too i feel like i feel like we're at a funeral but like the dead guy in the casket may rise again but nope but everyone like wants him dead anyway he's like banging on the inside put the pillow over him oh my god um i still i mean i think we've all said this if michigan beats ohio state in 2016 we're in such a different world right now because you go to the big 10 championship probably win it. You go to the playoff in year two of Jim Harbaugh.

Recruiting then just goes crazy, I assume. And they have motivation. They're rolling. I imagine one of those QBs comes. You maybe don't even need to get Shea Patterson. Because – Audrey Harris might be committing to Michigan, you know. I don't know, man.

I said it to Ro before we started the show. What do you think if Harbaugh didn't go towards a spread system and we just continued down the conservative, you know, Michigan smash-mouth style football? I think we'd see a different Harbaugh out there. Yeah. I mean, do you think he'd still be more so his team and his style of play. And I don't know.

I mean, hindsight's always 2020, right? Like we always wanted like that. Let's go to the spread. Let's do some, let's do what everybody else is doing. And you know,

now we're just like, all right, well, it's not really working for us, but at least like if we kept doing it Harbaugh's way, I mean, it probably, we'd have a couple more wins.

I think it'd be a consistent 10, you know, 9, 10 wins like that wasn't good enough before. But we definitely be in a bet. I think we'd be hindsight being 2020. I think we'd definitely be in a better position than we are right now. Yeah. So that was that was exactly my answer. Pretty much. I think that we'd still be a 9 and 3, 10 and 2 team. But I don't think with Jim Harbabaugh's offense you could score 50 points so you can't keep up with ohio state anyway so um i don't know i i do agree with you we would definitely i feel like jim harbaugh feels like he's gotten everything taken away from him they've've said, hey, this is your team, but do it our way.

And now he's like, fuck you guys. Like, all right, do it your way then. See how it works. So then he said, you know what? All right, I'm hands off on the offense. Josh Gaddis, do your thing. And this is Josh Gaddis doing his thing. I mean, to be honest, Josh Gaddis never played ordis never called plays before he got to Michigan.

So I don't know why we are expecting him to be an unbelievable play caller. Came from Bama. In his first and second year. Yeah, that's the same thing as the Lions hiring Matt Patricia because he was with the Patriots. Yeah, I'm not saying it's right. But that's why we expected it. And that's why when Patricia got hired, we're all like, oh, for the Patriots, he's going to be great. But we're all idiots.

You played under Nick Saban or you coached under Nick Saban. It must be amazing. Yeah. You know, it's like. Same situation, right? Didn't the Patriots lose that Super Bowl and didn't Alabama lose that national title game? Yeah, I think so. Yeah.

Sounds right. Patricia's last game with the Patri patriots he gave up 41 points and that was the super bowl that they lost i believe to the eagles i think yeah um and then yeah at least as lions fans fucking matt patricia and bob quinn are gone so that was like the highlight honestly i was so mad that they and they planned it out to do it in the fourth quarter of the Michigan game, and Michigan State was just starting so that it would kind of be under the rug. Michigan State. Jesus. How does Michigan State win that goddamn football game?

I didn't watch it, but I saw the final score. I was like, what? They beat a top 10 team and northwestern had looked solid all year like how the fuck does that happen and we can't beat any quarterback rocky rombardi okay they they went with rocky which is wild to me that they went with rocky um i mean that would have been the same as if michigan would have started joe this week michigan fans would have been so upset live it i'm sure i think all my state friends were pissed that they started rocky and then yeah yeah exactly dude honestly michigan

should start dan valari this week. Fuck it. Because, like, yeah, literally, who cares? The whole season doesn't even matter. So, fuck it. Play whoever's healthy. Literally, it's a free red shirt. Why not?

Why not get him some playing time? I'm like, fuck why not? No, I'm 100% with you now. I think we're going to see him at some point, man. Because we're going to be whether it's next week or the following week. I mean, we're going to be down 48 to nothing at halftime to Ohio State. So we might be on our fourth quarterback by then. Do you think that you can chug beer the entire time Dan Valaria is playing? No.

Oh, hell yeah. Let's try that. Fuck. I'd die. He'd just have to do a keg stand every time he's fucking in. Jack tried to chug beer before the Michigan game this week. Brutal. Brutal.

He went like three seconds and was like, oh. It's so cold. You're cold beer. You're really, as a beer drinking drinking podcast here you are not pulling your weight at all i'm not a great chugger i'm i'm like if i do a uh beer bong i'm solid i can do a beer bong fine put it in a solo cup i can probably i can chug it but out of a bottle and it was fucking cold i just couldn't do it man i'm not tough enough i'm not tough enough to be able to handle that well you know what he's the room temp beer you're the problem you're the problem with this program guys like you that can't

that aren't tough enough to drink a damn beer and i think that's the same issue michigan isn't tough enough and it starts with the fans we're looking at the wrong place that's what we're doing i agree i agree you need to start feeding these boys beer and that's probably what they're doing and uh i was gonna say iowa or nebraska but neither of them are doing fucking well so never mind i mean let's Nebraska beat Penn State. It's they Michigan really has turned into the Lions because the Lions come out every week and your expectations are so low, but they still somehow disappoint you.

Michigan, my expectations were about as low as they can get. It's an 0-5 team. We're going to battle with as low as they can get it's an oh and five team we're gonna battle with them and they still fucked it up yeah like fuck man i don't know man i literally have no like i have nothing more to say we're seeing the same shit every fucking week so if you if you were going to replace jimbaugh, your choice would be Matt Campbell. I think it's the best option. Yeah. I still think you have to make an offer to Luke Fickle.

I don't think he takes it, but I think you have to say – Yeah, you've got to reach out to both of them. That's for sure. What about like OC from Clemson or something like that? Is it Venables? That's a DC. That's a D coordinator. Okay. Oh.C. from Clemson or something like that. You're fucking right. Is it Venables? That's a D.C. That's a D coordinator. Okay.

Oh. I don't know, man. Like, I'm looking at this now, and yes, I think that Michigan is still a desirable job for people, but I think that for a lot of people it's not. Because how many coaches are out there saying, if Jim Harbaugh can't win there what am I gonna do you know um I think that it's a tough place to win man because you're recruiting it's tough to recruit here because you're recruiting kids to play in you know the cold and you have to go recruit from Texas and Florida and California to be

up with Obama and Ohio State. Ohio State owns Ohio. Right now, I don't know how desirable of a job it is. If you're Matt Campbell, it's got to be more money than he's making in Iowa State. $5 million is desirable. That's for sure. It's funny. I heard someone say, fuck, we could hire Tom Allen or the coach at Indiana.

Yeah. At least he'd be fired up every week. Yeah. Shit. Take that. I don't know, man. I worry that this is going to be a sad coaching search, and there are going to be some people.

Like, I laughed at Michigan State this past year when they got turned down by Fickle and turned down by, I mean, Mel Tucker right away that he took it, but they got turned down by some not-so-great coaches. Michigan might be in the same boat this year oh fuck man i hope not i don't think we i don't think michigan beats maryland no nope they have little tua and he's probably gonna throw for like 300 yards against us because why wouldn't he yeah only 300 yeah i've got no confidence the rest of the season that's for sure yeah um let's see what else i mean are you how about

xavier worthy just going to bama uh he went on a visit to bama this weekend they dominated their rival by like 28 points we you know he's committed to michigan we lose to oh and five penn state what do you think he's doing but he's got a michigan tattoo yeah so i mean i don't know i hope he goes to michigan just so he doesn't have a fucking michigan tattoo and goes to bama you know that'd be i mean he'll probably suck for him get it probably just get an elephant on top of it yeah i don't know i i i'm i feel like he's got to be going to bama i feel like he's been getting giving them a lot of attention lately i just think recruiting in general i mean if we have a a coaching change here fuck man you just can't lose jj dude it doesn't matter because fucking jim harbaugh's not going to do anything with him so who cares i think and i can't remember who we

talked to last about this but a lot of the guys like we talked to about recruiting i think it's bryce he's like you know guys don't always just stick around for the head coach they go to the school because of the school they like the city they like the academics all that stuff and hopefully that's the case and Michigan finds a head coach and just coaches that can surround him that can bring a good culture and then if JJ and all those guys come in and maybe shit can get turned around but I'm just hoping that Bryce is right on with that saying that the recruits commit to the school and not so much a head coach. I mean, we better hope. Whether he stays or he goes at this point.

He's still only got one year left on his contract. And guys that might decommit if he does stay. Right. Because they're like, I don't think he's the guy. So, I don't know. It could go both ways there. I don't know he's the guy you know so i don't know it could go both ways there um i i don't know man i it's this is such a tough podcast right now because i don't have anything to fucking say right same shit we're seeing over and over it's like something needs to something needs to change

and if nothing changes it's gonna be the same thing. Hey, guys, Michigan sucks again. At least we have basketball now. Yeah, basketball does play Oakland tonight, which is good. They're like 28-point favorites or something. Oakland lost to somebody really bad, I think, by like 30 or something. Xavier, I think. They played Xavier. Yeah.

And Xavier struggled with somebody not so good, I think. They played Xavier. Yeah. And Xavier struggled with somebody not so good, I think. So what do you think I should really be looking out for in this basketball game? I'm looking for Franz. See if Franz can bounce back and have a good game. Yeah, if he's healthy, that'll be important. Yeah, I think for me it's looking at who, if Juwan Howard finds an actual rotation, um, I think in these early games, he's still going to play those freshmen and see who can ball out, especially if it's a 30 point game, you know, he's definitely going to get other

guys in. But I think for, um, you know, we really have to start getting in a rhythm of a seven, eight-man rotation and not go nine, ten deep because he got caught in some rotations where he was like, I don't like that. Not a fan. Yeah. I mean, I'd like to see if Shondy and Mike Smith can keep up another good game, see if they can go back-to-back with two good games,

see if Hunter Dickinson can build on his first-game performance. I thought he played really well. And then Livers, like I said last time, I think he's going to be pretty consistent. You can kind of expect pretty close to a double-double with him with rebounds and points. And hopefully Franz is healthy, and we see a big game from him. You're expecting him to prove himself to you, Jack. I'm not expecting him to,

I'm hoping he does. Okay. I don't know what your expectations are. Like, what do you, I, do you need him to struggle last game? I mean,

do you need him to be like 25 points a game? No, I'd like to see him do what liver does, you know, close to a double, double almost every game, you know, he's got the size. I want to see him do what Livers does. Close to a double-double almost every game. He's got the size. I want to see some rebounds. If he's a guard, I want to see if he can rack up some assists.

But I'd like to see him score double digits. I mean, every game, if he's this talented. He didn't make a huge impact last game. He was fucking hurt, you idiot. Before he was hurt still over four from three yeah that part not great yeah but okay i'm pulling up his stats right now so in last year he averaged 11.6 points per game so it's pretty good yeah i'd take that this year average double digit points and you know

eight or so rebounds a game yeah he averaged about six a game last year that sounds reasonable to me jack i'm not like a basketball professor athleticism and his size i mean he should be racking up numbers and all facets yeah and like i'm going to livers so that was you know he that was a his freshman year last year right like yeah okay all right livers averaged 12.9 last year and instead of and he averaged only 3.3 total rebounds. Nobody's saying Livers is going to have a monster year, though. What? Every time I see anybody tweet anything about Michigan basketball, they're talking about Franz. Franz this.

Franz that. Nobody's going nuts on Livers. That's my point. That's what I'm... I haven't seen it. It's not on Jax timeline. Dude, Livers is like... If you go to the NBAba draft board livers is like way higher than franz good i think he should be

you're the worst person to argue with what i mean based off what we've seen i think livers is better than franz i talked about the last game i mean it's consistent he's pretty consistent we're going to get out of him pretty close to a double double i mean front granted there's only been one game this year and with what his size is athleticism and what he should be doing he should be making more of an impact all right so you can't argue facts there yeah you you're making a really good point with the facts after you know the one game that he played with uh half a game because he rolled his ankle. Maybe he should have better ankles. I don't know.

Yeah, as far as I'm concerned, he's kind of a bum. He's 0 for 4. He didn't even play the rest of the game. I don't see what the hype is. Who recruited him? Get that head coach out of here. I hope tonight he goes off for fucking 40, honestly. So do I.

That'd be great. Love to see that. No, you can't cheer for him now i get to cheer for him and that's it i'll just be so mad damn it he's doing well dang it he's very michigan basketball games oh man i feel like you have this view of me but my view you have this view of my view of franz wagner and like i'm like he's fine i think he's good like i just don't think he's like fucking as good as people are expecting i don't know i'm not i don't think he's bad he's not fucking michael jordan this is bullshit let me ask you this is he do you think mo was a lot better uh i think i mean i think mo improved a lot more i mean from where mo finished his career at michigan i think mo was better 100 but we haven't seen that yet from franz and that's a lot a lot of what i've said has always been we

haven't seen it yet from franz i'm not like i'm not saying he's not going to be good i'm just you know haven't seen it yet no you have to make your decision is he good or not right now fucker sucks sit him i mean mo in his final year at michigan only averaged 14.6 points per game what a fucking bum so he averaged an extra two points a game. I think that you're underestimating how good 11 or 12 points a game is in college basketball. I'm not saying it's bad. It's leading scorer type stuff. Yeah. No, that's good.

Moe in his freshman year only had 2.9 points a game. Right. Yeah. No, he got rid of the back knee and he fucking blew it up. True. True. Franz, one thing Franz needs to get rid of is he's got this little. That fucking ugly ass chin shit right here.

Shave your face, buddy. Cade McNamara, he had a little bit of it too. He's got to get rid of that. Yeah. Cade has the highlights. He can do whatever he wants. That's true. Sunshine.

How about just like, can we talk about us as Michigan fans just not being able to have anything good? Like, Cade has a great game against Rutgers, has a great first couple drives against Penn State, looking good. He gets hurt immediately. Like, we just can't have nice things. No. It's awful. It's tough being a Michigan fan, man. It's so bad that I don't even want to talk about it anymore.

Yeah, it's fucking stupid. We're just even want to talk about it anymore yeah that's fucking stupid we're just gonna sit here and stare at each other for another hour so thanks for listening oh man i hope i hope most people actually tuned out when i said thanks for listening yeah you were better off that way seriously all. All right. Do we have anything? What have we been going? Like 40 minutes here? Yeah, 40, almost 50 minutes. I mean, I've got nothing, man.

We've said everything we need to say. They got a clean house for football. Looking forward to basketball. We'll see if Franz can make a layup. You know, I'm excited. Non-related to Michigan athletics, did you guys check out any of the Mike Tyson fight? No, I did not.

I was sleeping. It was two old guys fighting. Didn't, didn't miss. Who did he fight? Uh, Roy Jones. Oh,

okay. Who won? Uh, it was actually a draw. Oh, that's fucking lame. It was lame. Yeah.

But, uh, the undercard fight was Jake Paul, Nate Robinson. That's how he knocked the fuck out of it. Dude, I don't know who was training Nate Robinson. He didn't, he'd never put his hands up once to defend himself. He just like swung like two girls in a high school cafeteria. Watching too many Rocky movies, man.

Dude, he came at him like i was like what are you doing even snoop dog was the announcer and he's like i have no idea what's going on this is crazy and uh finally like uh jake paul just caught him with a jab and then a right and it was over down jake paul is i mean i hate jake paul just for the human being that he is because he's a trash human being um but he looks like he's a pretty legit fighter like like he trains a lot and he's pretty strong he's a solid fighter i think he was like uh him or his brother who's also like a youtube guy i can never i can never figure out who's who it's uh one of them was like a high school wrestling champion in ohio what i mean 2020 is just a wild time i'm very much ready for it to be over we're close one month away we're also three weeks away

right from never having to watch this football team ever again so pretty excited right now positive you know all right well we don't have much else to say here that was maybe the worst podcast of all time but pretty defeat we just all sounded so defeated yeah well what do you expect i mean we're yeah it's a podcast talking about the worst football team of all time so it's gonna end up probably being a bad podcast so anyways, you can follow us at blue by 90 on Twitter, Instagram, and Facebook. You can follow us at blue by 90 podcast on YouTube.

Check us out there. And then hopefully from now on, I mean, let's just try to focus more on basketball because it's just depressing as hell to talk about this football team. So Michigan plays Oakland tonight. And they'll I mean, we're they have, I think, like four or five non-conference games. Right. And then they get into Big Ten play. I think they yeah, I think it's December 13th.

They open with Penn State. Gotcha. So, yeah. So hopefully once we get into Big Ten play here, then it'll be, you know, there will be more to talk about. We'll know more about this team. But they looked pretty damn good last game, so pretty pumped about them. But, yeah, we will have another podcast later this week to preview Maryland and talk more about our football team. Other than that, we'll see you guys later.

Go Blue. Go Blue. Go Blue. What a fucking depressing episode.