Blue By Ninety - Hoosiers on the clock

Episode Date: November 6, 2020

Indiana insider, Paul Gable, of thehoosier.com (Rivals network) joins the show to give the boys some insight into the Hoosiers mentality and game plan going into the Michigan game this weekend. We chat about Rich Rod's comments on the state of Michigan Football and more. Crack a cold one and enjoy the show. If you are driving please do not crack a cold one. We do not condone drinking and driving. Cheers!

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Touchdown, Wolverines! Alright, welcome back to Blue by 90. I'm here with Jack and Kalen. It is Indiana week. How we doing out there, boys? Ready for another weekend. Something to hopefully drown out this past weekend. So my hopes are high. it can't get much worse yeah yeah no i'm i'm alive that's that's about as happy as it gets yeah we've got a we've all got a pulse that's good um it is election week which has been just a wild week so um it's kind of like taking football has taken a backseat to the election this week, which hasn't been a bad thing because if there wasn't a distraction

and all we were hearing about was Michigan, Michigan State all week, it would have been quite the nightmare. So feeling a little bit better. I wanted to ask you guys, you know, obviously after last week, this is now, you know, the excitement levels have gone down. Are you guys still excited to watch Michigan football this weekend? Or is it like, all right, here we go. I'll watch, but, you know. You know, I am.

And here's my reason. This is me being a Michigan fan trying to spin this to make it like a positive when like two days ago I was ready to jump off the bandwagon. So Michigan always has that one loss, right, it seems like that just ruins the entire season. But normally it's like the end of the year. If we got that out of the way in week two, it's a very, very positive outlook for the rest of the season

if we can win the rest of the games I mean obviously not Ohio State but every every other game I mean I'm fine with that that's a very positive way to look at it I just want to highlight um at Steven Toski because I've been watching his like film reviews and honestly it's brought a very positive attitude from me at least towards the program because I'm going like oh there's a lot of mistakes there but they're all things we can fix if we're able to fix what the mistakes we made against MSU it's a tough team because there's a lot of talent there so honestly I'm starting to feel better than I definitely was on Sunday. I mean, I'll feel better for sure.

If Don Brown makes adjustments in the, in the secondary and kind of helps, helps his players succeed. But if we keep seeing what we did, we're not, it's not going to happen. I'm telling you, it's not going to be a good season for us to see.

I'm telling you, watch the film. Don Brown did make adjustments. It was about player execution. Ah, Vince gray. Yeah. Come on,

buddy. That was your boy. All off season, Gray. Yeah. Come on, buddy. That was your boy all off season, Jack. And then it took him two weeks to just be exposed completely. Completely exposed. So, yeah, I don't know. I'm still going to watch, obviously. I'm going to be invested. I'll be sucked right back in as soon as kickoff happens.

But, like, I'm sitting here right now it's Thursday and I'm like damn like this it only took two weeks and my heart's already kind of broken and it's like fuck I don't know you you just you just feel you feel like this usually usually this feeling comes you know late well usually it's late November in a normal year. It's early November, I guess, now. But it's very early in an eight-week season. So, yeah, I don't know. I think that it's kind of a make-or-break week now.

Now, like, every week is make-or-break, right? Because I think that how crazy would it be if Michigan is two and one after this week with two road-ranked team wins, but they're still, you know, they've got a home loss to Michigan State and people are still off the bandwagon. Like, imagine saying that before the season. Yes, Michigan will be two and one with two road-ranked wins by their third game, yet everyone still wants Harbaugh fired. It's true, and I think Sparty will end up being a team

that does a lot better than people expected. Man, I mean, Mel Tucker definitely got those guys fired up, and the kids buy in there, that's for sure. It's something that they've lived on for the past 10, 20 years with, with D'Antonio. So Lombardi's a solid QB. We saw him drop dimes against Michigan. He's had two games where he's over 300 yards. They're right around 300 yards. So I think the Michigan state loss doesn't end up looking as bad as it does

now because MSU was own one with loss a loss to Rutgers for the first game. So I think Sparty ends up doing better so that loss doesn't look as bad. And I think the team just figures it out and they look better. I think Milton gets more comfortable. I think, like Caelan, you said, the execution from the players, I think that'll have to improve as the season goes on. I'm really trying not to get my hopes up again, but it can, like you said, it can be fixed. And if it is fixed, then that's, that's great for myself.

Now it's not going to be a walk in the park, right? I mean, we're going to talk to our insider here later on about what's going on at Indiana, but from what we've seen from them, at least from what I've seen is but basically been replays because I'm not like watching Indiana live but I mean like we said Mr. P he's all over the place right I mean I'm looking forward to seeing learning a little bit more about that team yeah I think what it comes down to is this isn't a big game for Michigan unless they lose, right? If Michigan wins, it's another like, all right, Harbaugh, Don Brown, you guys kind of saved yourself for another week.

Not that I think they're going to be fired midseason, but they at least save themselves from being you know roasted by the fan base for one more week but if they lose and now they're one and two against two teams you know they haven't lost to indiana since 1980 something and a terrible michigan state team is what they looked like in week one that that's a bad look and the pressure and the heat on on Jim Harbaugh's seat and Don Brown's seat and everyone else goes skyrocketing so that's how I kind of see this and so Jack you mentioned the the energy in the locker room and playing with the chip on your shoulder and stuff like that and having the fire and so it came out uh on rich rodriguez's podcast what is it the hard edge uh podcast something like that with rich rodriguez and his daughter raquel um and he came out and

straight up said it is not a coaching problem at michigan jim harbaugh is not the problem and he went on and he elaborated a bit and said, it's more about the struggles within that, within that program as a whole of kind of an arrogance, I'd say of players that they think they're going to be able to just wake up, walk into the stadium, show up and beat people instead of playing with that energy, the chip on the shoulder. Jack, do you want to give a little insight onto what you think of Rich Rod saying it's not Harbaugh's fault? Yeah. I mean, I know we've, we've talked multiple times about, you know,

University of Michigan's football program and being stuck in that tradition that they love. And, you know, I don't personally, I never really thought of it as like a player's having an arrogance type thing, but you ask any other program in the country and I guarantee they would say it. I mean, people talk about it all the time. Michigan fans, Michigan's players, you know, they're just, they think they're better than everybody else and yada, yada, yada. And that speaks to what Rich Rod brought up. And it makes sense, man. I mean, if you're not willing to work for it and you're just expecting to win the game,

that's what happens. And that's why you lose to a Michigan State team where it's a bunch of guys are trying to prove themselves and they can buy into that, you know, to Mel Tucker and that kind of program they've built and in East Lansing. And, you know, that's how you beat teams that are supposed to be better than you. Where with Michigan, it's not really like they were bought into that underdog mentality. It's like Michigan's supposed to be at the top, and that's just where we're always going to be at.

And you're going to play at that level. But you've got to have that chip on your shoulder. You've got to have that underdog mentality to be able to, you know, come back and fight adversity and, and win some big games. Right. I think the example that, uh, that Rich Rod used in that podcast was like when it's raining outside, Bo had him practice in the rain, even though they had a perfectly good indoor facility. Right. So, I mean,

there's, there is something for that hard level of coaching I like the anecdote with I like the anecdote from Steve Branstadter where he said I thought my name was dumbass for the first couple practices yeah I think it was it's a it's speaking a lot to the mental toughness part, which Michigan has not had a mentally tough football program for quite some time now. It seems like when they get on the road, if they get down, if they face any adversity, they seem to crumble. And that was what week one we thought that we kind of got over that hump.

We saw a little bit of a different football program or a football team. You know, Michigan obviously gets a punt blocked early, and then they, you know, come right back and really dominated the rest of that football game. And then I talked about it earlier, I think, on the previous episode and said, what is it? The Mike Tyson quote is, you know, everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth.

Well, Michigan got punched in the mouth last Saturday and had no idea what to do. And so it just seems like that is the struggle with Michigan. And that's kind of where my views on Harbaugh land is, you know, he doesn't seem to have or get his guys in that mentally tough spot to be able to face adversity. And if you're, if you want to compete in the big 10 and the country in the game of football, you have to be mentally tough at all times.

And it's kind of weird to me because he seems like the guy that is always mentally tough. His ego is big his you know he's like nothing's ever going to get me down because I know I'm better than you I think I'm better than you at all times and so that's where it's a little bit different so all right so I mean that's kind of where we're at with Harbaugh obviously people are are you know he have him on the hot seat and so it everybody except for Rich Rod it seems like which Rich Rod obviously knows kind of what uh what the what it what it's like right to be at Michigan with with uh I don't want to say failing team but with a struggling team and so um it's interesting to hear his perspective, but obviously like we talked about this going into this weekend, this,

this game means a lot for Jim now in this coaching staff. And so I kind of want to talk about what you guys think about this matchup going into Saturday. It'll be a ranked matchup. I believe Indiana is now what 17th, I think ranked 13th, 13th. Are they? Wow. So they're, they're a top 15 team michigan is back down to 23 so like we talked about michigan um with two road top 20 um top 20 top 20 right yeah 25 minnesota was like 25 or 24 i thought they were like 18 really i think they were higher than us i believe but we were favorite i can't remember anyway we drink too much obviously um i've had six bottles of

wine it's only thursday have you really that's awesome i wish no i i. No. If I had six bottles of wine, I wouldn't be recording right now. Drooling on the keyboard. Jim Harbaugh. That's not me quite yet. Give it a little bit. If this election drags on any longer, I might be drinking as much wine as possible. But anyway, let's talk about this weekend's matchup. Like we said, top 25, top 15 team here.

So Michigan, again, going to a ranked opponent on the road. What do you guys see? So we've obviously seen the two teams come out for Michigan. Really good against Minnesota. Really fucking bad against Michigan State. Which of those teams, or maybe in the middle what what do you see coming out on Saturday against Indiana I mean for me personally Indiana has always been a scary game Kalen can attest to that we I we talk about it every year for the past however many years Indiana always scares me and now they're a good Indiana team right ranked 13th in

the country they've got a very talented quarterback talented receivers I mean Tom Allen is is just bringing them in the right direction but I mean like we've said before it's very rare to see Harbaugh lose back-to-back games so I think he'll get the team ready I think we'll see a lot more fire out of this Michigan team than we did last week against Michigan State, which is still crazy to me that they weren't fired up for that game when it's a rivalry game, but I think we'll see more fire out of that Michigan team on Saturday.

I think Joe Milton kind of gets let loose a little bit because we haven't really seen that yet. It's going to be a close one, man. I'm going to say 38-35 Michigan. I don't know. Kalen, what do you got? I don't hate that prediction. Yeah, that's a close game.

And honestly, that score prediction is not bad. But, I mean, we kind of touched on it with our interview there with, gosh, I can't remember the guy's name, Paul. Paul Gable. Paul Gable. But, I mean, I think the big key is Indiana's run game is very poor, honestly. I mean, I'm looking at the stats here, and they have 41 carries, 138 yards. Hassan Haskins has 14 carries and 138 yards. So, I mean, their run game is really struggling

and our run defense is very good, which leads me to believe that there could be a good matchup favorable to Michigan on the line. And then once you're getting pressure on the quarterback, that could lead to good things so that's kind of where I place my hope for Michigan and hopefully that pressure on the quarterback can take away some of the passing threat but I'll leave some of my score prediction for my 0-90. Yeah I mean the thing is I would be super excited about Michigan's defensive line in front

seven against Indiana's run game because their their run game is not their strength but Michigan dominated Michigan State in the run game and still got absolutely roasted on the pass game so it doesn't give me any confidence they could run for five yards and if they still just chuck it up to their receivers on the outside they can still beat Michigan or if they do the crossing routes like like whatever I think that I was very interested to see I thought Michael Penix was a running quarterback and he only has 10 rushes for two yards in uh in two games here and so obviously i'm assuming that's uh that has sacks added into it right so he's probably got more but um still i i was very interested i thought for sure he was more of a dual threat there

um so it'll be interested to i'll be interested to see how they how they dial up that that defense and if Don Brown is going to continue to try to send as many blitzes or if he's going to actually drop back some some guys to to help out those those defensive uh backs so we'll see I also think on the offensive side you know in my opinion Joe Milton is not the reason that they lost that football game on Saturday right he he didn't look as crisp as he did he didn't look as confident as he did against Minnesota but he threw for 300 yards he he did enough for that team to win that football game it was more that offensive line and the run game didn't get it. So I think the pressure's on Josh Gaddis to figure out, all right, now with a maybe decimated run game,

which our inside source here from Blue by 90 says that Jalen Mayfield is out six to eight weeks with a high ankle sprain. That information is not out there. So that's a Blue by 90 exclusive for all you listeners out there. That is our Blue by 90 exclusive for all you listeners out there. Wah, wah, wah. That is our Blue by 90. That's our Blue by 90. You got to work on that one. All right, that was the first try.

It was a rough draft, all right? Give me a second. But without him, Michigan's offensive line is going to struggle. And so they obviously struggled against Michigan State, and I didn't think Michigan State did anything crazy to, like, make them struggle. It was basically they found that they went up against a half-decent defensive line instead of Minnesota's bad one and didn't do well.

So I think for me with Joe Milton, I can count on my hand the number of times they've thrown deep balls, right? It's only been like three or four all year. And so for him to get in a rhythm and actually get a feel for throwing those deep balls and getting some touch on it, they've got to throw more. I always use the analogy of like for a basketball player to shoot out of a a drought they've got to keep shooting you just got to keep shooting yes it might be it might be you know not great for a little bit but you have to give them shots to get a feel back there otherwise now with four d balls thrown on the year in two games and he hasn't hit one he's going to be nervous on every single one right until he

hits one and so you got to keep going until he hits one if Michigan can open up the deep ball it changes everything for them with that being said real quick what's interesting is if you go back and watch the film on that Michigan State game Michigan State sometimes had eight blockers for either a run play or for lombardi straight up so like virtually no blitz is gonna help you get around that right so they really had their matchups pinpointed out and they knew you know hey vincent gray hey jimon green these are the guys we're going to take care of we're going to pass it all day so i would not be surprised and we've already touched on some of this if uh indiana just did exactly the same thing

yeah i think it'd be idiotic of them not to i agree i mean they saw a freshman receiver that nobody knew about go for almost 200 yards against against the michigan defense and just targeting the number one their number one db so i mean i if i was indiana i'd be doing the same thing i mean i'd be throwing it deep with michael pennix to wap failure and the other talented receivers they have on there and just take advantage of that until it stops working and then try something else plus you saw our young dbs get beat so bad that they're you know they're holding guys on the back of the jersey here i even think we saw vincent gray grab a guy's arm and just yank them down the thing on that one like i've watched that play now 25 times

he wasn't beat he was right with him and so i'm like dude are you that not confident in yourself to play the football or what's your deal there? Because you were literally right alongside the guy, and he wasn't going to catch the ball. No. Right. So, yeah, I don't know what's going on there. But we have all week, and we've had all week for them to watch that tape and say,

hey, these are the things we need to correct. Because they are all correctable. And that's what I think could be our saving grace. But just something to point out there. I think they're correctable if this coaching staff looks itself in the mirror and says, hey, let's fucking change some things and make an adjustment. But how you and I, Kalen and Jack and everybody else out there saw them max protect in the first half and just show and just throw it up. And Don Brown

continued to send linebacker after linebacker, instead of saying, all right, well, we're not going to beat them anyway. You know, on a blitz like that, let's drop these guys back. At least help, help my, my cornerbacks out. He didn't see that in that game what makes you think he's going to see it this game so now I'm all riled up again I mean it's Thursday a couple bottles of wine deep it just I don't know it's so frustrating because it seems like again we I'm not I'm not saying that we're experts on football but it didn't seem like I don't know. It's so frustrating because it seems like, again, I'm not saying that we're experts on football, but it didn't seem like you needed to be an expert on football to make a small adjustment on Saturday.

So it'll be interesting to see what happens this Saturday if they do make some adjustments or at least, you know, I don't know, at least come out with something different to show a team other than hey one-on-one matchups on the on the uh on the outside so yeah the only thing i'm worried about that you brought up bro is milton's offer on passes 25 plus yards right i mean all we know we've heard on and on and on about his big arm and i mean when he's over he's over by like 10 yards like he's not even close not even close to these guys so i mean hopefully it's something where he can just he needs to feel more comfortable and then once he

gets there he's he's fine it's like riding a bike once you you've got it you're good but i mean dude if you have a quarterback that can't throw i don't care if you can throw 80 yards or 85 yards, like apparently he can, if you can't hit a 25, 30 yard route, that does nothing for us. There's nothing. Well, now I'm like last year, I was so mad at Shea Patterson because he under through every single deep ball, but I'd kill for an underthrown deep ball that a guy can come back

to right now a catchable ball is all i'm asking for like what bothers me so much is we we heard all freaking fall all camp and practice oh he's dropping 60 yard dimes in there that just like wow plays all unbelievable plays and now like he's literally not within 10 yards of a receiver on these deep balls so that's where i'm like where we just sold like propaganda that i i don't know why you would want to talk your qb up like that if he's not that but what the fuck like what i will say is we haven't seen a receiver break free the same way we maybe would see like a Jalen Waddle or one of those type of guys from coverage. And then we haven't seen Joe Milton like, you know, throw the kind of ball that a fast receiver can run under and make the catch in stride. And so I want to see both players kind of rise up in level to kind of make the kinds

of plays that they need to make. I mean, Kaelin to your point, not these guys are breaking free. Like we see with these Alabama receivers, those guys are just a different breed, but they're open enough for a D one quarterback to be able to drop it. I mean,

we saw Rocky Lombardi do it. Hey, we saw Joe, we saw Joe hit a number of guys in the game on Saturday, and we saw maybe five drops. Dude, my theory is he's too in his head about getting air under the ball, yada, yada, yada, like what we saw with Matt Stafford early in his career, right? People always ridiculed him for throwing the ball on a line,

not getting enough air under the ball. Because the throws where he can just throw a bullet pass in there, he seems pretty accurate and he seems pretty on it. But anytime he's got to get air under the ball, it just doesn't look like the same guy. So I wonder if that plays into it. Yeah. I know I feel like a Joe apologist, like he can't do anything wrong.

But, I mean, I just see, you know, the one that sticks out to me is I think it was Ronnie Bell on a slant, and he just totally airmailed it last weekend, and it was off by 20 yards. He was wide open down the seam, man. It was like – and that's a game-changing ball because guess what? Michigan State did that 17 times and connected on 10 of them, and that's the game.

That's literally how they won the football game. But I also think of a pass down the field. I can't remember who it was, but they were diving, and they just barely missed, right? So, I mean, there's a little bit of give and take there, in my opinion. Also, not going to mention the hand on the numbers on the jersey of a michigan player so i mean some you know stuff happens yeah it's been two games he's a first year starter i mean i'm not a joe hitter by any means just pointing out what i've seen

yeah no i'm not i'm not mad about the way joe's been playing because he's playing exactly how i expected he if listen i don't think you're ever going to win a football game if we have to throw because he's playing exactly how I expected. Listen, I don't think you're ever going to win a football game if we have to throw the ball 50 times. That's the reality of it. You know, we were trying – I was last year just begging them to throw the ball more than 21 times, which seemed like every time out, Shea Patterson threw the ball somewhere between 20 and 25 times and I'm like all right let's let's get it to at least 30 35 and and start airing it out a little

bit and but now we've gone at least at least on Saturday they've gone a little too far and 50 passes and it was only because the the run game wouldn't wouldn't get started right and so um that was really it and but I don't know do you guys see the run game getting started on Saturday it sounds like Indiana's defense from what Paul has said is uh is pretty damn good and they and they could stop the run and so um with Michigan's inexperience at offensive line um who knows? So, yeah. With that being said, why don't we go into our interview today with Paul Gable from the Hoosier.com and the Rivals Network. All right. Well, we'd like to welcome on Paul Gable from the Hoosier.com

and the Rivals Network. He is our Indiana insider here before we head into the game on Saturday between the Hoosiers and the Wolverines. Paul, how are you doing today? Good. How are you guys? Doing well. Awesome.

Hopefully going to be feeling better on Saturday. But we'll learn some more from you. Yeah. Poor thing. You know, obviously Michigan and Indiana have always had a tough game, especially in the past few years. It's been, you know, kind of back and forth, come down to the last play or the final drive in a lot of sequences.

You know, it'll be another ranked matchup again this weekend. Do you see this game kind of coming down to the wire just like it has in the past couple years? I'll tell you what. I have heard all week about all the chaos and the mess that is going on in Ann Arbor. I've read about it on different sites and listened to different sports radio shows.

I've got to be honest, this game scares the hell out of me. Not because I'm worried about Indiana. I don't know what Michigan team is going to show up. Yeah, neither do we. I don't know if it's going to be, and, you know, we'll get to it. And IU has some problems of their own that they've got to figure out on Saturday. But I have never seen – and you guys talked about it a little bit. I've never seen a Jim Harbaugh team lay down

and die the way that they did against Michigan State. Yeah, especially after what we saw week one against Minnesota. I mean, it seems like the team just had fight in them. It seemed like they were dominating that game, and then you go into Sparty week two, a rivalry game, and it looked like a totally, completely different team. The lack of energy, just, it was awful. Well, and I wonder, looking back on that now, I wonder how much of that had to do with who Minnesota didn't have as much as how good Michigan played that game. Yeah. Yeah, I think it was a bit of an overreaction to how bad Michigan State – how bad everybody thought Michigan State was because all of a sudden

it seems like Rutgers – I'm not going to say they're anything like, you know, contending for a Big Ten title, but they finally have a pulse in the Big Ten and they're not going to get run over by everybody. And so there was a little overreaction to how bad Michigan state was because Rutgers seems to be okay. And then it's an overreaction to Michigan and Minnesota because it turns out Minnesota is not very good. And so Michigan may, may not be as good as they thought as well either.

So of course, you know, in, in classic Michigan fashion and, you know, college football fashion, sports fashion in general, everyone's overreacting week by week and after two weeks. And so, you know, college football fashion, sports fashion in general, everyone's overreacting week by week and after two weeks. And so, you know, the Michigan fan base, like you said, is going pretty nuts thinking it's the end of the world. And now they have a pretty big game against a pretty good IU team. And so where do you see this team? You know, Michael Penix is obviously a dangerous quarterback. give us a few highlights of what we we are going to see on Saturday from this Indiana team going up against the Wolverines yeah Michael Penix really found his groove there in second quarter on against Rutgers

again second game in a row IU gets off to a slow start offensively, a couple drop passes. And I'm beginning to really think that that more than anything is rust and a lack of rhythm that's been brought on by the COVID-19 pandemic because none of these teams had a chance to do seven-on-seven drills. None of these guys really had a chance to work out. Pennix worked out with Wap failure a little bit during the summer,

but that's about it. So, you know, if Michael Pennix can start the game the way he progressed against Rutgers, if he can start against Michigan, look out. Because he is a talent unlike any I've seen at IU since maybe Antoine Randall-El in that he can kill you with his arm and or his legs if they open the playbook up a little bit for him. Walt Fillier, Ty Freifogel, two wide receivers I expect to see get going early and often.

And then you got Peyton Hendershot, one of the better tight ends in the Big 10. And Stevie Scott at running back, along with Samson James, you've got weapons there for that IU offense. But the biggest surprise to me is as good as the offense is, that IU defense might be a lot better than anybody really expected or thought, and if you're asking me, is IU an offensive team or a defensive team, I'm going to hedge my money a little bit on the defensive side of the football, where they've got six takeaways through two games.

Wow. Interesting. A quick question, though. I know Indiana has struggled in their first game to kind of get going offensively. I think they had something like 211 yards or something, most of it coming after almost 58 minutes of play in the first game against Penn State. And like you're saying, Michael Panik started to find his rhythm more in the second game against Rutgers. But my understanding is that there have been some struggles from Scott, the running back. I think he has over like 41 carries carries but only 138 yards. Do you see him finding success against Michigan's run defense? If the offensive line gives him some time and they protect a little bit,

offensive line has some players back, but they've had to move some guys around on that line. You know, here's the thing. At some point, and I asked IU's offensive coordinator, Nick Sheridan, that very question this week, at what point do you get concerned about the lack of a run game? Because it's no secret we're now in November. We saw the weather at Minnesota week one. We know it's going to get worse. And this is a IU team when they go to Wisconsin, assuming Wisconsin's playing in December, and they go to Purdue, they're going to have to be

able to line up and run the football a little bit uh samson james is is a talented back stevie scott's a talented back they've got to put it all together and find ways to get that running game going yeah and um so that's the that is the one thing that mich's defense has done well, actually, is stop the run. I know, you know, Muhammad Ibrahim from Minnesota did get his good chunk of yardage in week one against the Wolverines. But they kept him in check until it was a little bit later in the game that

he started running the ball more. And they were kind of in command of that game the whole time um but obviously the the past defense for Michigan was the dagger last week against Michigan State and I've talked about it uh this week a little bit and I don't see why Indiana doesn't just take the exact blueprint from Michigan State and do the same thing with Michael Penix on Saturday and just have Max protect don't let you know Quitty Payne Aiden Hutchinson and Mike Barrett those linebackers get to the quarterback and go one-on-one and challenge those defensive backs and so talking to Nick Sheridan do you think that that might be their their game plan going into Saturday? Well, and he was asked about that,

and Nick always keeps it very close to the vest. And he was asked, you know, what do you expect out of Michigan's defense, which, you know, was torched by Michigan State. And he said, I expect what you typically see from a Don Brown defense and a Jim Harbaugh defense. You know, I take that as coach speak, and I think he's really got to be sitting back, chomping at the bit to air it out quite a bit this weekend.

Yeah, and, I mean, we know Michael Penix is a great quarterback as far as throwing the ball, and you mentioned those two solid-by receivers they have. Now, do you – Michael Penix, I mean, he's a running threat as well, correct? Is he more of a pocket passer in your mind or more of a dual-threat kind of guy? He's more of a dual threat kind of guy? He's more of a passer. He looks to get the ball

to his receivers first and then he'll run if he needs to. But when he runs, as he showed against Penn State, he's got no fear running and taking off for the end zone.

Yeah. I mean, that's it. And Don Brown has actually struggled with that in the past of trying to spy a quarterback. And so Michael Barrett did actually leave last game early a little bit. So we're not totally sure on the health of him. So we'll see how Don Brown responds to that. You know, let's talk a little bit about Nick Sheridan some more, cause he is obviously a former Michigan quarterback. Did you hear any kind of, or was he asked this week at all about playing against his former team? He's obviously played against his former team a couple of times, but him and Mike Hart both

are on the Indiana coaching staff, correct? And so they've got a little personal touch to this game. Are they looking to get a little – I don't want to say revenge because they still, I'm sure, like their alma maters, but is it a little more personal for them and they're trying to gain an edge there? Oh, I think it's definitely a little more personal more personal for them sadly we didn't get to hear from uh from mike this week uh i would have loved to have have taken his uh his perspective on

things but you know nick nick is a guy who has worked for everything he's ever gotten. He told the media this week that when he got to Michigan, he was probably number 105 out of 105 players. And, you know, he worked his way up to become a starting quarterback. And he joked that he's played in a lot of the stadiums, but he hasn't had nearly the success that a lot of his players have had in those stadiums. But, you know, he'll never,

he'll never come out and publicly say it, but I don't care who you are. You always want to, want to one one-up your school a little bit if you have an opportunity to. So I think, yes, I think it's personal for him. I think it's personal for Mike in that now they've been with Tom Allen since day one. They're Indiana guys, and they want to end that streak against Michigan. They've been a part of producing for a couple years.

Right. It is kind of crazy that, you know, Mike played so long ago and Nick played, you know, not as long ago, but both of them are part of the streak for Michigan here. And so let's talk about that streak a little bit too. Is that something that is talked about within this Indiana program? And has it been made an emphasis? Has everybody been made aware of that, every player, every coach, that, hey, it has been since 1980-whatever,

and we're trying to stop that in the year 2020? It's been since 1987. Nick Sheridan was not born yet the last time IU won. Coach Allen was asked about that this week. And Coach Allen was asked, you know, how much of that is played up by sports writers and journalists? And, you know, we've got to have something to talk about, especially when that rivalry, and I ask, when does a rivalry quit being a rivalry?

That rivalry has been so one-sided forever, honestly. So, yeah, I think the guys are tired of hearing about it. I think the guys who have been in the program for a while are tired of hearing about it, tired of coming up short. I think Coach Allen is tired of hearing about it, although he'll never admit to that. He'll never say that they're focused on the past they're focused on the future but yeah no doubt you know coach allen has talked about goals

one of the goals was to be in the top 25 top 10 program and they did that when they beat Penn State, first time in 33 years. Another goal, I'm sure, is to beat Michigan, opportunity to do that for the first time in 33 years. And Coach Allen has talked about this is a special team. This is a team that has an opportunity to go out and contend for a Big Ten championship. And he wants Indiana to win Big Ten championships. As funny as that sounds to people outside of the state of Indiana,

in order to do that, you've got to start knocking off the Penn States, the Michigans, the Ohio States, and start doing it routinely. Yeah, and taking a look at Indiana's schedule, I mean, a thought just popped in my head. I mean, Indiana, if they beat Michigan, which I'm kind of expecting them to, Tom Allen might be up for Coach of the Year in the Big Ten. He very well could be.

And here's something that, you know, we've talked about among ourselves as a staff at the Hoosier.com and some other people. They beat Penn State. They beat Rutgers. Let's say they beat Michigan. Let's say they go up to East Lansing and knock off Michigan State, a team that they should have beat last year. Now you're talking about a 4-0 Indiana team going against what will probably be an undefeated Ohio State team, a top-10 matchup possibly,

and implications greater than just the Big Ten East. Yeah. 10 east yeah that's i mean and that's kind of crazy because they indiana had its first winning record since 2007 last season right and so tom allen has to have these boys feeling you know a winning season last year i believe they had a winning record in the big 10 too and now they're 2-0, and things are looking good on their schedule to maybe go 4-0 and beyond, and so what's the buzz around Indiana right now? Is everybody feeling like, all right, we are rolling and nobody can stop us? Yeah, they really are, and you know, to your point about Coach Allen, hell of a coach.

I mean, let's be honest. Indiana has not been known as a hotbed for football. They have always been a basketball school. And some of those guys, especially on the defensive side of the football, the last couple weeks are starting to talk about, hey, we're turning the tide around here. We're a school that has a good basketball program, but we also play some pretty good football as well.

And, yeah, he's got those guys believing. I think he said it best this week when he was asked, you know, is it easier to show your guys on we have an opportunity to go out and beat Michigan and end that streak because we did it two weeks ago against Penn State. And, yeah, it is. It's a lot easier as a coach to show your kids on something when you can actually go and show, hey, we did this two weeks ago.

Or, hey, we went on the road off a great win and we took care of business against an upcoming Rutgers team. Yeah, it's funny because I think the way you describe Indiana is the way a lot of Michigan fans feel about Michigan after the game was last weekend. You know, we're, we're a basketball school. Who's had some good football teams, but I'm also curious for your thoughts on Harbaugh here a little bit, especially with a lot of rumors floating around after that loss. I mean, I even heard somebody saying he's got an eye on the NFL. I've heard someone say he's going to retire and buy a bus and drive around the United States with his son.

So what's the perception from other programs about Harbaugh? Coach Allen respects Coach Harbaugh as a coach, and I think he has to. And, you know, I think at the end of the day, that's a loss to Michigan State. And here's the thing about Harbaugh and Harbaugh's teams. They don't lose back-to-back games often. So as bad as they looked against Michigan State, I think Tom, in the back of his mind, honestly believes we're going to see the team that played against Minnesota. Now, you know, Tom has to do that.

Tom's the coach. For me, what has happened to Jim Harbaugh? You know, this is a guy who took the 49ers to the Super Bowl. This is a guy who was supposed to be the savior at Michigan and has underperformed and has for the last couple years. And it's bad when you have guys asking and saying, what is going on with Jim Harbaugh? I read a story, I believe in the Detroit Free Press this week, that said that Jim Harbaugh has been dead on the inside for a couple years.

And it looks that way. I've watched every press conference with him this week, and he looks like a guy who has no idea what's going on. Yeah. It just seems like he is a shell of his 2015 self. You know, you don't see – first first of all just by the looks of him you can see it looks like he's aged 15 years in the six years that he's been at Michigan he walks with a limp from his hip he's got gray hairs and I think the stress of it all

because he's had success everywhere he's gone until he got to Michigan. And, I mean, obviously he's had success at Michigan too, just hasn't had championship success. And so he doesn't look like the same 49ers Jim Harbaugh, Stanford Harbaugh, even 2016 Harbaugh at Michigan. And so I think that, I don't know, it'll be interesting to see if he even wants to step away himself after this year or what will happen. I think it's difficult in a pandemic year with a shortened schedule

to really judge any coaches out there because I doubt across the country we will see less firings of coaches than we've ever seen before after a season in 2020 here. And so, yeah. I'll give you that. I'll give you that. He probably gets a pass because of the pandemic. But I'll be honest with you.

I'm not so certain that there wasn't a conversation that was had about, look, you need to win and you need to win out uh because at the end of the day he has not shown that that he he can beat ohio state and that was lloyd carr's downfall yeah um i think that in a normal year if this was a normal year he would have been I mean hot seat right in the middle of this season if not um you know at the end of the season and so um it'll be interesting to see how it plays out because I think that financially every university especially Michigan is in a tough situation here so So maybe he does get that pass, but he's definitely not getting a pass from the fan base because the fan base has him all the way on the hot seat.

So we'll, we'll leave it at that, I guess on hardball, but I do want to, as we wrap up here, kind of get some predictions for Saturday from yourself. And we will go on with our predictions later in this episode. But coming from our Indiana insider, Paul Gable from thehoosier.com and the Rivals Network, what do you think is going to happen on Saturday between Indiana and Michigan?

The only thing I know is that two teams are going to show up and kick off at noon. Outside of that, I have no idea. You know, I think, and I talked to a former IU player today for a story I'm working on about that 87 IU team under Bill Mallory that went 8-4 and lost to Tennessee in the Peach Bowl. And the last team to beat Michigan, beat them 14-10 in Bloomington. And he said to me, he said,

through the years Michigan has beaten us because of their depth. He said IU might have 40 good players and Michigan has 60. He said that changes this year because we have good players at good skill positions that are going to give them fits. And I believe he's right. I know Don Brown is a defensive genius, and he'll come up with some scheme to try to limit what Pennix can do, especially after last week watching what Michigan State did. He'll have to come up with something.

My concerns are twofold for IU. One, is the offensive line going to produce. And two, can they stop Joe Milton from escaping and picking up yardage with his legs? If they can do those two things, Indiana will pick up a win and they'll pick up a 31-21 win. Wow. I mean, looking at, I mean, obviously that's the, you know,

if IU can stop those two things, that's what they'll be able to do to have them win that game. What do you think Michigan has to do to come out on top? Michigan, to come out on top, Michigan has to put all the negativity, all the press clippings, all the crap that they've had to hear about their coach and about their program, and come out and make a statement and show some kind of a pulse. I didn't see a pulse from them when they played against Michigan State. And I don't understand how you can't get up for your biggest rival.

And I get the big brother, little brother syndrome, but they didn't look like they were into that game at all. Milton has to play within himself. He's a guy who can put up some big numbers and do a lot of things, but he's also a guy who if he gets a little bit of pressure put on him he's going to create a lot of issues that Michigan doesn't want. Michigan needs to find a way to contain Pennix and Wap Fillier and be opportunistic on the offensive side because IU is going to come out and look to create takeaways in that game.

Yeah, it'll be interesting to see if Harbaugh can get these guys to rally around him and play for each other here or if it's like, you know what, we're kind of over this whole Harbaugh thing. We're over this whole hardball thing we're over, we're over this, this Michigan thing, we're kind of packing it in, in this pandemic year. It'll be interesting to see what, what Michigan team shows up. And it'll be interesting to see what kind of swagger Indiana comes out with, with the two and O feeling and like,

they've got the whole world in front of them. So, Paul, thank you very much for coming on with us. You can find him at thehoosier.com. Plug your Twitter. Plug anything else you need to right now. Yeah, so my Twitter is at Paul E. Gable, and thehoosier.com is your go-to for Indiana football, basketball and recruiting news and one last

thing to your point we're going to find out a lot about Harbaugh and how much time he has left there based on how they come out and produce and they tune him out and they come out lifeless he's on borrowed time.

Yeah, you're absolutely correct. So, yeah, I think that Michigan fans, that's a hard pill to swallow here, obviously, in year six of Harbaugh in a moment that they thought they would be talking, all right, now we're finally to the point of, you know, matching up with Ohio State and looking at a Big Ten title. Instead, they're looking at, you know, one and one, maybe one and two, and looking at a fired coach. So thanks again, Paul.

We appreciate you. Go check out. I'm sure he's got some Indiana-Michigan previews for Saturday, so go check out his stuff if you want to know more about the Indiana offense and defense as we go into Saturday. Thanks again, Paul. Thank you, guys. I appreciate it.

All right, big thank you to Paul for coming on and giving us a little insight into Indiana. Yeah, he made some good points on the matchup on Saturday, and I think that some interesting points on Harbaugh, too. Where is Jim Harbaugh? We've talked about that. You know, he's a shell of the man that we saw in the past, and it's at least nice to see that we're not the only –

nice to hear that we're not the only people that see that, that everyone else around the Big Ten sees that as well. Was there anything concerning to you guys or interesting that you guys think about the matchup coming up that he talked about in his – when he was talking about it? Well, Ro, I think something mentioned uh as far as him saying indiana's defense might be the stronger um side of the ball for for the hoosiers and i mean we we know how talented the offense is i mean the defense isn't something i was really expecting so

after seeing our struggles you know on offense last week you know going into this game hearing that indiana's's defense is pretty strong and something that we're going to have to deal with, I mean, it makes me nervous, man. I still think Michigan's going to come back, bounce back after a poor game last week and really show some fire and emotion and try to, you know, build back up the rankings. But it makes me nervous, man.

I mean, the run game struggled with mayfield out i mean it's it's so hard to kind of expect what's going to happen but uh i'm definitely nervous about that defense that's for sure yeah and then don't sleep on that offense like we're saying right i mean they got three big time uh receiving threats over there. So, I mean, the team sounds very well-rounded to me. And so I think it's going to be a struggle for the Wolverines. Let me ask you this, guys. Coming off of that Michigan State loss, and obviously the talk is now, do you fire Jim Harbaugh?

You know, Harbaugh is on the hot seat, blah, blah, blah. We hear that nearly after every loss they have. But this seems like it's really pretty real at this point. What is it? Is this a must win game or can Michigan come out against a top 15 Indiana team on the road? And if they show some fight, if they lose in a, like Paul said, I don't know, he said 31, 21, let's say, let's say if they lose in a like um paul said i don't know he said 31 21 let's say let's say if they lose in a in a 30 i don't know 31 28 or 40 42 38 something some game like that where they lose by i don't know less than a touchdown or something is hardball then is it like they they've shown some fight and you feel like you're a little bit back on board here? Or is it must win 100%?

I mean, I'd love to see them show some fight, but I feel like it's got to be a must win game, right? Look at next week or coming next week. We're at Wisconsin. Is Graham Mertz going to be available to play? Are they even going to be allowed to play a Big Ten game? I mean, if they are and everybody's healthy, that's no gamey. I mean, that could be a three game losing streak right there. So I think, I think Indiana is a must win game, but it's not going to be,

it's not going to be a piece of cake. That's for sure. I mean, it's a tough team and I mean, number 13 in the country, they got to win. They got to win. They don't. That's two game losing streak going into Wisconsin. Like I said, tough game. I don't think we're beating Wisconsin. So that's three games in a row. I mean, Harbaugh, if anything, I think he stepped down at the end of the season because like you've said earlier, he looks like a shell of himself from 2015, 2016.

It's just, he, he doesn't look like he's enjoying it anymore. Yeah. This, this game is absolutely a must-win for Harbaugh. I mean, it's one thing to lose to MSU in a rivalry game, but, I mean, you have better talent all around than Indiana. Like, there's no reason for you to even be competing at the same level, honestly. So, I mean, you like, if, if you lost, if Harbaugh lost to MSU and then lost to Indiana, I would be like, okay, like there is, there might even be serious problems beyond Harbaugh at this program. So, I mean, as far as I'm concerned, there's no excuse to not win this game. Yeah. And those, those problems may be beyond Harbaugh.

We're exactly what Rich Rod we're talking to was talking about. Right. So I don't know that that scares me for ever. Right. It's like, all right, even if they go out and get the next hot guy, the next, you know, big name or whatever, maybe there's bigger problems that need to be resolved and in the regents or the you know the boards or the athletic department who knows but um yeah so let's let's go to some positive news because dear god we haven't talked about anything positive on this podcast in like fucking years it seems like michigan basketball juwan howard

lands a five star finally after whiffing on so many caleb houston is coming to michigan let's pray he's actually coming to michigan first of all and we're not getting duped into uh josh christopher again uh but that was a huge land for Juwan Howard. I think now it gives him, you know, a lot of credibility. Getting a five-star just in his second season here, especially after his first season was cut short. What do you guys think about Caleb Houston? Five stars, baby.

That's all that matters. I love to see Juwan still going after him. I mean, obviously, like what we saw with Isaiah Todd, big five-star guy, ends up going to the G League, right? He didn't go overseas. He went to the G League. So, personally, if I was a fucking five-star guy, I'd go to the G League too. I don't know why he's going to Michigan. Get your money.

Get your money, dude. But I'm glad to see it. I am so glad to see a five-star guy coming to michigan it just it just builds more momentum more momentum for the program and for juan howard and i mean we already know he's a great coach we had a lot of talent coming back um this coming season with shandy shandy brown becoming uh immediately eligible um mike smith coming in from columbia i mean there's a lot of talent on this team guys, and they're going to have a good year.

And then to have a five-star guy like that and a bunch of other top recruits coming in the following year, the momentum is going to build and build and keep rolling. And Michigan, I mean, Michigan's up there with the blue bloods now guys with, with basketball. So I'm excited. It's a much more fun season for me personally to watch uh because there's more games and march madness and whatnot so i'm pumped pumped for joan love to see him do well love to see it hey man if if we if we lose two games in a row i'm calling it we're a basketball school now

i like i like that that uh what you dropped earlier We're a basketball school who used to win football games. I've won a couple football games. It's not wrong. It's not wrong at this point. The basketball team has had a lot more success, honestly. I think this is really big for Juwan. And for Michigan fans, as us as Michigan fans, it's like Juwan Howard is just the easiest guy to root for ever oh yeah right I mean talk about having a guy that you just want as your leader and he is I mean

he's essentially done no wrong at Michigan yet in two years obviously he has a lot to improve on it's not like he's you know won anything big or but he's beat Michigan State he's beat Ohio State like he's he's done the right things and he's a lovable guy he's a players coach it's just like to me I think Michigan basketball is headed in the right direction and honestly Michigan football they should be sitting down right now or the athletic department, Ward, Manuel, whoever, should be sitting down and saying, let's go find our Juwan Howard. He doesn't have to be obviously a Fab Five guy

or a guy that played in the 90s, whatever. But my point is, a guy who is a player's coach, these guys are going to rally around him. He builds a culture, a family. Shawnee Brown has been here for less than six months, and all he's been doing is raving about how this is a family, more than he was at Wake Forest, more than he's ever, you know, anywhere he's ever been.

And so it's like how does a guy that's been here six months feel that way about his teammates? And so I think Juwan Howard is really building something special, and it's showing to these five-star recruits now. And maybe there's a bag getting dropped here or there. I don't think by Juwan, but maybe Jordan's helping out or something because if the five stars come, you know that something's happening.

I don't care if you're at Michigan, Michigan State, Duke, Kentucky, wherever else. It's just that's the state of college basketball and college athletics at this point. Just gotta make it legal. Everybody's doing it. Just fucking pay the guys. They make billions

of dollars to the ncaa it's so stupid at this point it's so accepted by everybody too like if somebody gets caught for paying players everyone's like uh yeah yeah we all we all know they pay the players dude so no one's surprised anymore yeah i. I think for me right now, like we talked about our excitement level for Michigan football this weekend, I'm pumped for Michigan basketball. I'm like, get Michigan basketball here. So we can at least have something else to talk about and,

and rely on instead of having to rely on this Jim Harbaugh team. So, all right, I've done enough talking now. Let's, let's go to our, let's go to our zero to nineties here. Who wants to start? Kaelin's ready. Kaelin, you go for it. Ooh, mixing up the order here a little bit. All right. Throwing him off.

All right. All right, Kaelin, you ready? Yes, sir. Your zero to 90 starts now. All right. Our zero to nineties is a good spot for your hot takes, right? So here's my hot take. MSU lost by 11 to Rutgers, but they also had seven turnovers.

No game should be that close with seven turnovers, which leads you to believe that Rutgers is better than we thought, right? Like, Ro, you said they have a pulse. So that also leads me to believe after MSU's win versus Michigan that MSU, after putting it together and not turning the ball over, is much better than we thought from that loss to Rutgers. Michigan only lost to MSU by three. And the errors that they made are fixable so

they show up on Saturday they stop the run then Don Brown surprises everybody by playing zone defense and forcing Michael Penix to throw the ball. Michigan 38, Indiana 28. It took you a while to get there, but you got there. You lost me a couple of times there. It was like riding a wave, but I loved the ending.

I had no idea. That was like watching The Office, Michael Scott. Sometimes I start a sentence and i don't even know where it's gonna end i hope i find it along the way so accurate i i wish i i literally do that nearly every sentence i i say in my life especially on this podcast that's a whole podcast. It's literally the whole podcast.

All right, Jack, you ready? I hope your flow is a little bit better than Kalen's. Oh, fuck, I hope so, man. All right, Jack. Your zero to 90 starts now. All right, Kalen, I agree with you. I think Sparty's better than they are, or better than we thought they were.

Rutgers has a pulse. Michigan's going to come out against Indiana and we're going to struggle at first. I think we go down in the half 21, 14, but I think Harbaugh brings himself back to life. I think Don Brown brings some hype back into the defense. And I think Michigan comes back to win 38-35. That's what I had predicted previously, so

I'm going to stick with that. Alright, I like it. I do think it's going to be high scoring. I think 21-14 is reasonable for the first half. I think Penrith goes off. I think Michigan adjusts and figures it reasonable for the first half. I think Penrith goes off. I mean, I think, you know,

and I think Michigan adjusts and figures it out for the first time in a long time. Yeah. All right, bro, you ready? I don't really know what I'm going to say, but I'm hoping to find it along the way. There you go. That's how you do it. All right, Justin, your 0-90 starts now.

All right, so I think this is a game michigan has has come back after losses like against michigan state and played well unfortunately i think this is one that they still don't play well i think that they get down early and they kind of crumble i still think that they because it's's Indiana and the streak lives on, they're going to end up pulling it out somehow. But I think that we're still going to be stuck. Michigan's going to win the game by, you know, three to somewhere in between three to seven points,

but we're going to be stuck after the game being like, well, that didn't answer any questions. That was the same shit that we saw, but we just kind of somehow pulled it out of our ass. And so the Harbaugh narrative is not going to be changed. We're going to somehow win this football game, but it's going to be like, you know, we shouldn't have won that game type of thing.

And so I think that I can see that happening. I can also see, I'm going to stick with that. And I think that it's see that happening I could also see I'm gonna stick with that and I think that it's gonna be this this I don't think the offense is gonna score that many points I think the defense is somehow gonna pull it together or get some turnovers or something I'm gonna say 28-24 Michigan well scoring i did hear there the sharps there's a lot of money coming in on michigan this week a lot of money at minus three three and a half i think it was so i'm i was surprised to hear that i thought that people would after harbaugh just start you know after everything last week they would start pouring money on indiana but sounds like everyone's all in on michigan after after a big loss and it's crazy too because even paul said it when's the last time you saw michigan lose back-to-back games i mean not counting ohio

state and then a bowl game right like throughout the regular season you don't you don't see it very often yeah yeah but i will say this. Usually they don't have – obviously Michigan State wasn't a tough game, but it was. It wasn't supposed to be, but it was. But now they usually don't have this type of tough games back-to-back. Usually the Big Ten is kind of spread out a little bit better. But, yeah, we'll see. So that's the podcast this week.

Those are our predictions for Saturday. I'm sure they will all be very correct as we always are. Um, big, thank you again to Paul Gable coming on to, uh, to give us a little insight on Indiana. You can follow us, excuse me. You can follow us at blue by 90 on Twitter and Instagram. Um, you can follow us at Blue by 90 on Twitter and Instagram. You can follow us on Facebook at Blue by 90 as well. And Blue by 90 podcast on YouTube where we post all of our podcasts and more. Give us a follow, like, subscribe, give us a good rating out there or a bad rating. I don't really care at this point. So, all right.

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All right, boys. So I want to give a little shout out to Caleb Martin, one of our followers on Twitter. We've been DMing, and he wanted to call in and leave us a voicemail on his thoughts after the Michigan State game. And so here's the first voicemail that we got from him giving his thoughts on MSU. This is Caleb Martin down here in Toledo. I've been messaging with you guys on Twitter a little bit lately

about some frustrations and, well, some excitement after last week, obviously, that all of us Michigan fans had. But, you know, since I destroyed my baseball bat in my backyard on my garage after the game on Saturday, I've kind of come to terms with the fact that, you know, even though everybody's blaming it on Jim Harbaugh, which he has a serious issue with winning the big game and it's been very unacceptable.

I also don't see the way – with the way that we're recruiting and the way that, you know, our offense has performed in the past compared to this year, I do think that Harbaugh and Gaddis have done a great job of getting these young guys prepared and getting them ready. Obviously not this week, which fucking sucks. It fucking hurts, and I want to rip my heart out because of it, pardon my language.

But I just think after the past six years, all we've seen is Don Brown just refusing to make adjustments. I know you're hearing that, but, man, it's fucking time to move on to Don Brown. We have some – our corners are – we have a young team. We have young corners. I just feel like it's time for him to make an adjustment or for Harbaugh to make a change and go ahead with someone else. I just don't think it's time to – as much as I want to say that it is, I don't think it's time to move on from Harbaugh.

I still think he's going to be the guy that can get us over the hump, him and Gaddis together. I think the offense is phenomenal. It can be phenomenal. It has the potential, especially with Joe Milton's arm. I'm still 100% behind Joe Milton for Heisman the next couple years trained. I think he's got that talent that, you know, you can't find really anywhere else.

So I just – I guess for me the question that I have for you guys is, what do you think – what kind of timeline realistically do you guys think that Don Brown is going to be on? Not even Don Brown, but, you know, with Harbaugh himself. You know, what kind of timeline or ultimatum is Ward Manuel going to give him? And if he does go, who do we like as the next potential head coach? You know, we don't want to get rid of Harbaugh, despite our frustrations. Who are potential candidates that you guys think would be better than him,

better than a Michigan man that, you know, compared to Brady Hoke, our record has been astronomical, just not just we've been able to figure out big games. And I think in part, part of that is from Don Brown's defense and his refusal to make adjustments and make changes at halftime or make changes in his preparation. So I'm not ready to put all of my frustrations on Coach Harbaugh. I'm more so ready to, as you can tell, put my frustrations on Don Brown. So that was the three minutes from Caleb there.

And it was, I mean, first of all, I loved him dropping like six F-bombs. And then after the third one saying, pardon my language, after he listens and knows that. I think I dropped 78 F-bombs after the Michigan State game. But there was that one. Caleb, I promise you we will answer your question at some point about who are our future candidates are but i want the listeners to hear because we got that that uh voicemail from him and it's very you know obviously some i found some frustration but it's pretty even keeled pretty like you know you know, talking through it. And he's,

and he's still positive about about the program and about Harbaugh. And he thinks that they can still figure it out. And then not, not five minutes later, we get this next voicemail here. Hi, this is Caleb Martin down here in Toledo again. I changed my mind after seeing more of the bullshit ass excuses um about vincent gray and you know the offensive line being he doesn't know i think it's fucking time i agree i feel like josh gaddis i think he could be a uh a positive factor in michigan and ann Arbor as a head coach.

But if that's not the case, then I think that we give at least the rest of the year. And if it doesn't work out, I say, fuck it. We clean house. It'll probably fuck our 21. So quick. 22 recruiting and 23 recruiting folks. But yeah, I think it's time to clean house as much as I hate to say it.

I would love to see him try to go after Luke Pickle. I love what he's building down in Cincinnati. I'd say we give him the blank checkbook or even Brett Venables in Clemson. I wouldn't mind an actual defense-minded head coach with a Josh Gaddis or something like that. And just give him a blank check and tell them whatever the fuck they need. Come fix our program and take us back to what Michigan should be and what Michigan fans deserve.

Look forward to hearing what you guys talk about this week. As always, go blue. And I'm looking forward to basketball season because let's fucking go. Natty championship season, baby. Go blue. It I'm looking forward to basketball season because let's fucking go. Natty championship season, baby. Go blue. It was so perfect. I love Caleb. That's awesome.

That is amazing. Oh, God. Those phone calls were like five minutes apart. He was so in. Guys, you know what? I still think it's Harbaugh. He still can get it done. You still think it's Harbaugh. He still can get it done. You know what?

Fuck Harbaugh. I'm so sick of his bitch-ass excuses. That was perfect. He's a true Michigan fan, man. Just like the rest of us. I love it. It was exactly like – it was just a perfect representation of the Michigan fan base and how quickly –

Oh, perfect. I loved it. Thanks, Caleb. We love you here. We might have to have him on here. That's what I was thinking, man. That was great. Pure entertainment. Absolutely. So, all right, Caleb, we'll, we'll have you on and we can talk next week. You know, if Michigan goes one and two, then we're seriously talking about who's can,

what candidates we have, you know, for the next, for the next head coach here. So we'll have you on to talk about that.