Blue By Ninety - Michael Spath joins the show, We look at Michigan's updated conference only schedule, and our breakout players for the upcoming season.

Episode Date: July 13, 2020

Sport's Talk 1050 WTKA's Michael Spath joins the show. We take a look at and discuss what Michigan's conference only schedule may look like, Discuss how the media reacted to Jim Harbaugh's comments on COVID-19, and look at our breakout players for the upcoming season. Crack a beer and enjoy the show.

Welcome to Blue by 90. On this week's episode, we're joined by special guest Michael Spath from Inside the Huddle on WTKA and WolverineDigest.com. We talk about what the season could look like now with a Big Ten conference-only schedule, Harbaugh's comments about the upcoming season and COVID and the media's reaction to them, and also who we could see step up and have a breakout season this year. We'd also like to announce the winner of the Michigan Jordan jordan football cleats from our giveaway contest on twitter and instagram the winner is steve at may's house on twitter thank you to everyone who entered and congrats to steve make sure to follow us on instagram and twitter at blue by 90 and look out for the next giveaway coming up soon also like and subscribe our podcast to our podcast on Apple Podcasts and Spotify, as well as on YouTube. You can find us there at Blue by 90 Podcast.

Thanks for listening and enjoy the show. This is the University of Michigan. Touchdown, Michigan! That's the beat of Michigan ball! And they've caught extra pass. And it goes to the wind! The three-pointer! again welcome to blue by 90 your your Michigan Wolverines podcast. We are three dudes who talk maize and blue. I'm Kalen, joined by Jack and Ro.

Guys, how we doing this week? Doing well. We're doing good. It's Friday. It's been 99 degrees for a week straight here, it seems like. But it finally rained a little bit here so we're good yeah ro you've been what getting out early before the sun comes up or what i know i'm not tomato face isn't that it's wild isn't it so the red has turned into a nice tan i mean some are calling me a bronze god i wouldn't say it but i've just heard it from people as i've been walking down the street it's it's real like

looking in the mirror in the morning in the bathroom brushing his teeth you're a brown scott you're a brown scott i've i've got perfect lighting in my bathroom so i've you know situated it so it just has a nice golden bronze reflection on me dude lighting's everything i'll like take my shirt off in my bathroom and i got these rolls but the way the lighting hits it looks like it's amazing it's amazing never i'll never use another bathroom again oh my goodness well another good news i mean jack you got married last weekend so congrats on that man yes sir yes sir congratulations jack Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Congratulations, Jack. Or, I mean, did we lose him? Is this it?

He's gone. He's gone now. I'm not allowed to come back. This is my last episode. This is, I mean, Heather's barged in on every episode, so I feel like now, you know, she has you locked down. So she's going to keep coming in more and more and more i know there's no repercussions now exactly you can't leave her too much paperwork too much money yeah next time

she barges in ask her for her zero to 90 i'll have to put her on the spot she's like hot take this is stupid stop doing it that's great well um what do you say we move on to our uh um the rest of our show with our special guest right our special guest this week is michael spath um he's on wtka 1050 sports talk he's a broadcaster on inside the huddle publisher publisher Wolverine Maven, WolverineDigest.com. The guy is everywhere. I think it'll be a good interview. He's going to be instructing a class

this fall. Well, hopefully this fall depending on what's going on with the students. I don't know how that'll affect it, but he's taking over for John U. Bacon for some history of collegiate athletics class at the University of Michigan. That's pretty cool, too. I'm excited to hear what he has to say.

Those are big shoes to fill, for sure. John Bacon is a big name. He's got the in with Harbaugh, I know, for a lot of his books and stuff. I know Spath doesn't have as good of a relationship with Harbaughugh i don't think

but um he still has some great things to say i'm sure and he knows you know he has a ton of knowledge about michigan in specific and college football in general from all the years he's been around the program yeah so stay tuned for our interview with Michael Spath. All right, here we are with special guest Michael Spath. Michael, thanks for coming on. Yeah, absolutely. Thanks for having me. I actually really like the guy, Jack,

who clearly his wife has designed what's behind him in the house. And Kalen looks like he's in his bedroom. And Justin's got the Ann Arbor bars picture behind him. So he's either like in his like man cave or, or maybe he just litters that throughout his house. So I really like everybody's everybody's screen right now. Yeah, I got,

I'm in our guest room right now, which is clearly not designed by me. As you can tell by the fluffy pillows. I have two pillows and that's about it. Perfect pillow behind Jack. That's right up your alley, man. I assumed you slept there every night. Only when I'm in trouble.

Been there. Been there. Well, Michael, thanks for coming on the show. Now, I know that you wrote a really good article this week that got a lot of traction. Specifically, it kind of had some stuff to do with when football was coming back and some things that you were hearing. And I just wanted to kind of ask you a little bit about it, and hopefully you had something to elaborate about that. Yeah, sure. I mean, you know, it's interesting because when I wrote that on Sunday and I had talked to numerous sources, including a couple of coaches at Michigan in the week leading up to that, you know, all the information I had at the time was the most recent information. And

then in the last four days so much has changed including the announcement today about the big 10 that they would have a conference only football schedule that is something that we talked about that I talked about with my sources they thought there was a better chance that there would be a regional schedule which meant that they would drop a couple of big 10 games they were certainly the one thing that everybody I talked to was 100% adamant about was that there was going to be no Arkansas State game and there was going to be no Washington game on the schedule. Because Michigan was not going to travel out to Seattle and risk, you know, even though they charter planes, there is a greater inherent risk when you're flying, when you're staying in a hotel multiple nights. That was not going to happen. And the other thing I was told was that the Arkansas State game, if you're going to cancel Michigan going out to Washington, you're certainly not going to allow Arkansas State to come down from or come up from way down there all the way up to Michigan and have to do the same type of thing that Michigan was going to have to do in Seattle.

So those are the definitive things that I was told. Also told that there was a possibility of a regional schedule or that there could be an opportunity where teams might have to play other Big Ten teams twice just to fill out a schedule. Certainly the announcement today made it definitive that the Big Ten was only going to have conference games. More talk has been about that they're going to front load, that they're going to kind of blow up the schedule right now as it stands. And they're going to front load all of your your division games that Michigan will play it's six you know east division teams as quickly as possible in case I mean the fact that they announced that tells you that sure they're not sure if they're going to start the season but if they do start the season they don't expect to finish the season with all their games that's what that

said to me today so yeah I mean there's been a lot of talk about what's going to happen and certainly my sources kept on saying like look like this is what's going to have to happen for football season to take place at all and I was hoping that they were going to be wrong today's announcement from the Big Ten seems like they were closer and closer to the truth that they knew what was coming and all of us are kind of left picking up the pieces and trying to figure out like what does this mean for college football what does this mean for the big 10 and certainly what does it mean for michigan right and just to be clear too i believe that today they announced uh that it was a 10-game conference-only schedule, correct, guys? Well, they didn't say the 10-game, right?

They didn't say 10-game? Okay. No, they've said conference-only, which, you know, without being specific, I mean, right now every team is playing nine conference games. What I've been told is nine or ten. They'd like to balance it out with 10 conference games. So they have five home and five away. But yeah, I don't think they've definitively said that yet. They certainly haven't said there's going to be 12 games. They haven't announced like when that schedule is going to take place, whether it's going to be the opening weekend or they're going to delay it a

little bit. I think they're going to try to space this out so that teams have time to adapt. Because one of the things that you guys are probably aware of too is people the kids are going to you know athletes are going to test positive for covid they've already tested positive for covid and the subplot of going on this season that i certainly think people are aware of a little bit is there's going to be star players and big time players that are testing positive for covid at certain points in the season and all of a sudden have to sit out for two weeks and so how was that gonna I mean if you're Clemson and Trevor Lawrence test positive for COVID he's got to sit out for two weeks and you're playing Florida State and I don't know Notre Dame right on your schedule back to back like that is a far bigger impact on you than if your backup

left tackle test positive for COVID has to sit out for two weeks and yeah we we've actually go ahead jack well i was gonna say i know we've talked about it before where you know our running back room seems to be pretty deep this year and same with uh i mean quarterbacks we have two quarterbacks nobody knows who's gonna start yet i mean that's puts michigan in a better situation you, hopefully that doesn't happen. But in this scenario, that could be helpful to us where it might hurt other programs. Yeah, I mean, every team's going to probably look at their positions that they're stronger and weaker at right now. I mean, if you're looking at Michigan, you say, God, you know, the worst case scenario is a couple of players from a certain position group testing positive at the same time.

And for Michigan, that would be defensive tackle. If you had Chris Hinton and Carlo Kemp test positive around the same time, or even if you just lose one of those guys for two weeks, that's a significant blow to a position group for Michigan that is relatively weak still. Your quarterback you feel pretty good about, running back you feel good about, wide receiver you feel good about. I think offensive line is the other one. While everybody thinks that they're going to reload, what I've been told is that Michigan feels really good about six or seven guys on that offensive line. So if you were to lose two or three of them at one time,

you know, that would be, so I mean, that's a part of college football here that every program is going to have to deal with, right? I mean, it's going to happen to Ohio State. It's going to happen to Penn State. It's going to happen to Indiana. It's just a matter of does Michigan play Wisconsin in week – right now it's week four. But do they play Wisconsin in week four with, you know, the majority of their best players? Or are they missing three or four key guys and Wisconsin's doing okay? I mean, those are all the things going on. And, you know, frankly, if there's a

college football season, we'll all be like, okay, talking about those issues. If there's a college football season, if there's not a college football season, then I mean, it's always getting blown up anyway. Hey, so I've had, you know, talked to some people at Michigan as well in the athletic department, on the university side as well, and on the Big Ten conference side in their offices in Chicago. And I've gotten different messages from each of those. You know, some have said there's nothing different now than it was two to three weeks ago. Some have said that they'd be shocked if there wasn't a season just because of the financials that come around with it. It powers everything in the athletic department and the Big Ten conference.

And then another one said, the season is canceled. This is it right now. We won't have a season this fall, maybe this spring. So I think it's just still so far up in the air that nobody knows. And the decision today by the Big Ten to come out with a big 10 only i could see that coming out and saying okay that's softening the blow when they actually do cancel the season in two to three weeks here or something but right now on july 9th i don't know how they could say you know here's what we're going to, here's what we're not going to have because of the uncertainties going into the next month or two? Well, I'll tell you two things that,

from two different coaches at Michigan that I was told in the last week, one from an Olympic sports coach who is, let's say, a fall season sport. And this person told me that they have no desire to travel. They have no desire to go on the road. This person said that if there is a season, the only games that they want to play are all regional games that they can bus to, get on the bus, bus to, play the game, get off, get out back on the bus and drive back to Ann Arbor. And that was the only scenario where this particular coach felt comfortable putting

him or herself and the student athletes in a position where they felt good about it. And so that's the case. I mean, that eliminates so much of these schedules if all you're doing are regional games that you can bust to. The other one was from a coach at Michigan that coaches a winter sport and said, look, if there's no football season, there is only one other sport the University of Michigan has a chance to play this year, and that's college basketball. And they said if there's no football season in the fall,

every other sport gets wiped out, and that's not a Michigan thing. Specifically, that is a cross-college athletics thing. So if you eliminate football this fall, then we're not talking about, God, we'll wait until we get to basketball season, wait until we get to hockey season, wait until we get to baseball season. We're maybe praying to God that college basketball takes place because nothing else is that's for real that's that's that's not good news that's not good news what makes sense yeah you know the one other part too and look i i bristled i bristled at this big time back in the spring when people you know you had

the you know all up in their high horse saying, like, well, it's just sports. Like, give me a break. Like, it is just sports. It is not just sports, okay? First of all, let's start with in the professional ranks, you have people that make their livelihood off of it, right? I mean, athletes, you can say what they want, that they're millionaires, that some of these guys make $100 million or more. But you've got players. You've got the front office. You've got scouts you've got ushers you've got all

the people that are going to the stadium every single week that are making money off it now you come down to like the college level you've got a lot of college athletes let's face it even a place like michigan wherever we want to say that michigan does everything the right way most of these kids that are showing up at the university of michigan have one goal and that is to play in the nfl it's not to get a engineering degree or a business degree or a law degree from the university of michigan it's to play in the nfl and so you take away a college football season and now their opportunity playing the nfl gets hurt so like there's that trickle- effect. You guys have a podcast blue by 90 that you guys really love to doing. If there's no college football season, your podcast is gone,

right? Like no one wants to listen to three guys talk about like the purple pillows behind Jack, you know, my radio show is gone if there's no college football season, because no one wants to listen to me talk about like oh well uh you know the major league baseball or in the playoffs right like nobody cares about that kind of stuff college football and nfl drive everything and if there's no college football and there's no nfl 50 of sports media jobs are gone like that and the trickle down impact is so significant so when people say to me like like, it's just sports, I always want to be like to you, I won't say it on your podcast,

but I have some very strong language that I tend to use for that. Yeah, I mean, basically that's like, that's attacking, almost like attacking you. Like that's your livelihood, right? Like you talk about sports, like that's your job. It's wild. Yeah, we'll have to start firing firing up those tiktok beer reviews or something it hits home for me too because my girlfriend is the assistant director of game

presentation for the michigan athletic department so even before we were talking about no football or football it was fans or no fans if there's no fans at a game the game presentation and the fan experience doesn't matter right so we have so many jobs so many examples right now you know right in front of our faces of how it really affects sports and how sports affect you know the livelihoods of so many people i the the source that was talking or said that the season would be canceled said that would be a $1 billion plus loss for the Big Ten Conference if fall football is canceled. So yeah, there's a lot to that. That's a lot of money. That's a lot of jobs. That's a lot of livelihoods. Well, you know what? I was curious about this when I was coming here

and all these people say oh it's just sports it's just sports and i decided to look this up and i spent probably way too much time trying to find this but i think that the sports industry is something like 2.8 percent of our gross domestic product in the united states now that's not 20 or 30 but i don't know how many industries are probably more than, you know, 6% or something like that. So you eliminate 3% of the gross domestic product in the United States. Now, certainly across the economy, we've taken a lot of hits, but you know, sports bars, I don't know what's your favorite sports bar that you go to in Ann Arbor. You know,

one of my sponsors is the pretzel bell. The pretzel bell would go out of business. You know, the pretzel bell people big pretzel bell guys buffalo wild wings would go out of business you know the haymaker i mean all these places would go out of business because most of their business is tied towards tied to sports and so just think about that trickle down effect and yeah we'd all be would all be i hope you guys all have really good day jobs um and you know jack i hope you married well that's the that was the key to my life is i'm married really well my wife has a great job and so i have a sugar mama so i don't need you know 100 that was that was the first you know the first ingredient of that uh of that love right there so yeah i'm lucky i'll be okay generous or loving or

going to be a great mom or a great wife will she be my sugar mama that's all that really mattered right i would love to see the look on your wife's face because i'm assuming she's right there in front of you she is uh none too happy at the moment we'll just hide this clip from heather so okay oh yeah she'll have the same reaction i'm sure now spath i'm curious have you heard anything about pushing the season back because i have heard some rumors about playing in april and things like that yeah i mean i think that's more of a fan hopeful narrative than it's a realistic one. It creates so many problems, you know, beyond like the NFL draft and beyond the fact that you play in a spring season and then what are you going to do?

Are you going to move football permanently to the spring? Or are you going to play in March, April, and early May and then turn around and play again in September, October, November? That doesn't seem like it really jibes really well. What I've also been told is that the money is just not there to do it. If you lose football in the fall, it's going to be really hard for any athletic department to maintain the staff that is necessary to ramp up football in the spring um you know how do you

pay for all these different things and so i i think that the financial impact and the timing impact make it almost impossible but that said what's the alternative you cancel football in the fall and then there's just no football at all until next year i mean what does that look like how many if that happens the big the question question is, is what does, what does college athletics look like in the fall of 2021? How many football programs have survived? I'll tell you, all the group of fives conferences are gone. All of them are gone.

Um, the Olympic sports, probably outside of baseball and softball you know hockey which is quasi a revenue sport i think they break even for michigan most of those sports are like the michigan has what 30 varsity sports right now i think 25 of them would be gone like that and then you've got title nine issues and you've got to, like, stay within, you know, federally legislated laws that say you have to be able to offer. So if that's the case, now are you cutting in order to, like, keep that in place? You still keep football, but you have to have 85 female scholarships. So you have a couple of female sports, but you can't have any more male sports, so hockey and college basketball are gone.

I mean, this is what we're talking about here, folks. This is the end of everything if there's no college football in the fall. And I know we've kind of talked about this too. It's like this could possibly be an opportunity. It might get us into a whole different conversation, so, Kalen, cut me off if you need to. But what if it could be something where, let's say they do move football to the spring. For Michigan, that could be a better opportunity to play football in the spring rather than the fall, just weather-wise.

And then you move maybe, let's say, baseball and softball to the fall, where there's a little transition there. I don't know. I'd assume that football players would kind of almost be the same season, just kind of reversed where it's colder in the beginning and then warmer in the end. But I know for baseball and softball, it would be perfect weather in the fall, not that we need to put anything around them because football is the breadwinner of Michigan. Yeah, I mean, if it were to happen, I think you'd get really creative with certain things.

I think certainly Michigan baseball or baseball overall, you know, being played in, say you started the season like the first of August and you had August, September, really nice weather in Michigan. October, you're trying to get, you know, finishing up because then you get to November and my God, could you imagine the, you know, the Big Ten baseball tournament in in november i mean it'd be as bad as it's as bad as the big 10 starting its baseball season in march which it does right now a little bit right so no i mean there'd be a lot of give and take i'll tell you i'll tell you this if football has to play in the spring that's the only way that it can exist that's the only way that it can make money is by moving to the spring 20 other

varsity sports at michigan and all the other varsity sports across the college uh college athletics landscape would say what do you need us to do what how do we need to adapt because they are all understanding that they don't exist without football so if that means softball plays in the fall that means you know hockey plays in the middle of the summer so be it that's what's going to have to take place because everything revolves around college football very well said yep we need college football i know i need it in my life and i'm sure all you guys too um so let's move on to our second down segment, Harbaugh's presser. He kind of had this quote that was very much like chopped up and taken out of context. And feel free to jump in if I'm getting this wrong at any point.

But I'm pretty sure to kind of paraphrase here, he said something in terms of we understand COVID as kind of a part of our society at this point. And when they say that, you know, when the officials come out and say we should not play because that will make things worse. We're going to play because that's what we do here. But as far as I understand right now, they're not saying that playing football is going to make things worse and our guys want to play. So we're ready to play in the fall as of right now. Does that sound about right to everybody? Yeah, I would say so. I mean, I think Harbaugh actually, if you watch the entire Zoom teleconference

or read the entire transcript, I mean, he struck a really strong chord. He said, I'm looking out for my student athletes. I'm looking out for my players. And as long as they tell me, as long as our medical community tells me we can play, we're going to play. If they tell me we can't play, we're not going to play, and that's okay. But what, you know, we're all, I mean, I'm part of the media. You guys are, as a podcast, I don't know if you guys consider yourself part of the media yet.

You're trying to work your way up there. But, I mean, we're our own worst enemy, right? Like all we want is more Harbaugh access. All we want is more Michigan access. And then the very thing that we do is take a snippet of what he said, the very salacious part, and we turn it into yellow journalism where we just drop that and we say everybody look what jim harbaugh said and then two hours later we come back and be like oh by the way that's not

really what he said he said something else let me explain the whole thing i thought there was a great example yesterday and i don't want to identify the author by by name i don't think we need to do that um he writes for The Athletic. We can go ahead and say his publication. But someone said to me, it's like you literally walking by and dropping a match into a Tinder box and then being like, hey, everybody, look at this fire. I'm going to write a story about this fire that's going on. Does everybody want to read about it? I mean, that's what he did. So the way that I started my show today, I went for like 20 minutes straight just absolutely crushing this, talking about how unfair it is. It was.

It was. I'm sure your guys thought the same thing. I mean, that Harbaugh is not the easiest person to deal with in the media. He's adversarial. But we don't make our jobs any easier by taking his his words and completely taking them out of context and yeah so harbaugh is this guy right that doesn't allow anybody into anything right he never has been this way he withholds information whether it be you know we've seen the roster back in you know what whatever year that

was he didn't even put out a depth chart you know all these things it's to that point for Harbaugh but I know why it's it's because of things like this right if I'm Harbaugh and this is what's going to happen every time I talk I'm going to sit my ass inside Schembechler Hall and not say a damn word to anybody why would you I'm going to coach my team I'm going to do my ass inside Schembechler Hall and not say a damn word to anybody. Why would you? I'm going to coach my team. I'm going to do what I need to do. But why would I go out and say more than I need to say when it causes this much of a stir?

And it's always twisted into something negative for him. Rarely, rarely, rarely is it twisted into something positive. It's because Harbaugh gets the clicks i understand that from a media perspective but like you said you know from a media person and i heard you talking about this on your show this morning you know it really irks to you because you want him to come and talk to you more that that would you know help everybody it'd be you know the fans want it you guys want it everyone. Everyone wants it. But then when he happens, you're not going to get more of that. No, and it's, I mean, look at, like, the things that he's been ripped for. He got ripped for being at spring training with the, I think,

the Oakland A's and being a first base coach. He got ripped for, you know, when people accused him of not being for the student athlete like he took three years worth of his teams on overseas trips to experience something like study abroad that they would never experience in their lives and he comes back to the states and people like just win football games okay like nobody cares about like going to ireland or going to france or going to italy or something beat oh something. Just beat Ohio State. Just beat Ohio State. You know, he does satellite camps with, you know,

even if there was some recruiting opportunities for Michigan, he does satellite camps with a fairly altruistic idea of, like, exposing college coaches to high school athletes that wouldn't otherwise have the opportunity, and he gets ripped for it. He suggests that there should be a automatic first-time transfer um for all for all uh players as long as you're in good academic standing he gets ripped for it um he suggests that there should be a college football playoff that expands to eight or 16 teams and jack holes on 97 one come out and say like well the only reason he's saying that is because he can't make the college football playoff with four teams.

Like, it is so utterly ridiculous. Whatever he says, he gets ripped for. And, look, there's one thing to criticize Jim Harbaugh for, and that's the fact that in five years he hasn't beaten Ohio State. He hasn't gotten to a big 10 championship and frankly what we all thought we were getting when he signed on to be the head coach in december 2014 um has not come to fruition yet that's what you criticize jim harbaugh for the rest of this stuff is utter bs what people are criticizing him for yeah and all that underperformance to the tune of almost eight million dollars right

i mean when you're paying them that much we expect them to capitalize too i think that's another point worth mentioning you know the money thing i'll tell you i've had this conversation a lot of times i don't think the money thing is relevant at all because matthew stafford at one point was the highest paid quarterback in the nfl why was he the highest paid quarterback in the NFL? Because that's what the market dictated. Jim Harbaugh is a Super Bowl appearing coach who's won multiple titles in the NFL, who had a great success at Stanford. When he got signed in 2014, December 2014, you said, how much is Jim Harbaugh worth on the market right now as a college or NFL head coach? Everybody in this room would have said, I don't know, somewhere between $6 and $10 million. What is he making? $8 million.

So I don't think when you say like, well, he should be, you know, you should have to demand something from him because he's making $8 million. That's what the market pays. Okay. It pays Jeff Brohm a certain amount of money because he got courted by Louisville. It pays Ryan Day a certain amount of money because he proved himself after year one. It pays everybody what they're worth based off of what the market is. Now, the market is about to change dramatically. And someone like Jim Harbaugh going forward might be worth $4 million. But that's because the market is changing, not because of what he's worth in that market. Okay.

Well, that's a great point. I mean, you put the economic spin on it now. Well, he, he could, if he went back on the market, NFL teams would be offering 10 mil, you know, left and right. I would assume so there'd be probably 10 teams out there that would offer that. So yeah, 100 right and going back to to what we were originally talking about here um with his comments and everything like that to me i don't think it's that crazy that a guy that makes his living off of coaching college football is advocating for playing college football you know for himself and himself. And then, like you said, for his players getting for these guys to play college football, whether or not, whether you like it or not, these guys make the, make a living off of college football and playing it, whether it's in the college world

or the next level. So it's not that crazy to me that a guy who makes his living off of coaching and playing college football wants college football to happen you know the the virus aside or not no i 100 agree i mean you know we had zoltan mesko on my show on wednesday and zoltan um you know played he got drafted i think by the patriots at least at some point he played for the patriots and he played for Bill Belichick. And he said, look, I got cut because I had a minor injury and I missed a couple of weeks. And I wasn't, when I came back, I wasn't as effective as I was beforehand. And Bill Belichick's like, screw you. You can't help me win football games anymore. I'm dumping you. Even though Zoltan Meska was making about $600,000, which is not very much money in the NFL, but he's like gone. And, you know, what Zoltan said is in college football, if you are paying Jim Harbaugh $8 million,

you're not paying him $8 million to be a great ambassador for Michigan, to graduate students. We can all, that's all, that's all hunky dory, but he's being paid $8 million because his value is that he wins football games. And so, yes, for him, he's looking at the season and saying, I want to coach football. My players want to play football. So, yeah, I mean, it makes certain sense that he's advocating for a football season. But I will tell you what, I don't know Jim Harbaugh very well um we're not buddy buddy um I know that you know the the Michigan football uh department and the coaching staff doesn't really care for my criticism of their success but at the same time I mean he is someone that as an alum of the University of Michigan I'm proud he's my football coach because he does look out for student athletes

and if it comes that they have to cancel the season, he'll be the first one to say this was what was in the best interest of all of our team, of our entire team, and I support it 100%. Very well said. I think we're all Harbaugh supporters, right? We are, for sure. And going back to the player side, too, you had my cousin Craig on the other week, too. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

Cousin Craig? Is Craig Rowe and Justin Rowe our cousins? Oh, yeah. Yes. Yes. Yep. Yes. Yes, we are.

I'm the better athlete, obviously. I'm sure you can tell. I mean, by my, I'm probably faster than him at this point. He's, he's gotten fat. You know, he's gotta be, he's gotta bulk up for the CFL. He's a professional athlete and you're a better athlete than he is. Okay, sure. Go ahead, John. We got to have Spath on more often just for this. I love it. Craig's probably going to listen to this. He's going to text me. Are you kidding me, man? This is no joke. He's going to fly out

to me and be like, all right, let's go one-on-one. He's that competitive. That'd be great content we should do it at uh the his or his quote was many players out there would die to play football right uh and that is not you know i it's it's taken out of context a little bit because nobody would actually want to die for football but these guys have worked their whole lives. I know him, and he has literally put in thousands and thousands and thousands of hours into film, into training. I mean, he was eating 5,000 calories a day in college and just stuffing his face because he needed to put on more poundage.

These guys have sacrificed anything for it. So they are willing to do a lot of things to make it to the next level and play this game no and that that is what he said i mean is is they're willing to sacrifice and and his argument was essentially that um he said look if you told me that i had a risk of getting covid because i was going to get together and train with my teammates i would do it anyway and he said if you told me after I had a risk of getting COVID because I was going to get together and train with my teammates, I would do it anyway. And he said, if you told me after week one, that 10 of my teammates tested positive for COVID within an hour,

I'd be at the training, you know, in the gym working out. And if you told me that guys were going to miss time because they tested positive for COVID, I would still be training. Because like that is the football mindset. That's the football culture that they're just geared towards football is all that matters and we're just going to do everything possible to play football so yeah that that is what his point was and i think he would just kick justin's ass in every and every competitive event possible. All right, all right. We got to make this happen now. That does not lead back to anything.

Video evidence. I will say, I agree with you. He would do anything for football because I've watched him crack 10 raw eggs into a blender, blend it up, and just chug it. So, yeah, he'd do to to play football because that's what he was doing to try and gain weight but you haven't eaten raw eggs a dozen raw eggs i mean come on yeah come on you haven't seen rocky yeah this is why he made it to the nfl and i am sitting here drinking a beer right now yeah those raw eggs better be in a beer

bong I guess right all right well let's move on to our third down segment hopefully a much happier topic because in this world we're assuming that we're playing football and we're assuming uh that we're all watching football as well who do you think has the best chance to replace DPJ and Tariq? Which freshmen will make the biggest impact this year? Spath, what you got? Just about freshmen or anybody that can replace them. If you know somebody else, I mean, yeah. I really rarely talk freshmen up because I have seen freshmen,

five stars come in four stars you know you see a unheralded three star from New York who Tom Lemming said the only chance he had a chance to play at a big-time school was to be a cornerback and he ended up being the all-time leading rusher in Michigan football history so I don't ever really talk about what freshmen are going to do I'm more so focusing on the second yearyear players, the third-year players. And to me, I have an absolute – oh, man, this is going to sound really bad. I'm really excited about Giles Jackson. I think Giles Jackson is – you can understand where I was going with that.

Giles Jackson is going to be the best athlete, the wide receiver position that Michigan has had since Steve Breston. And I hope to God that Michigan uses Giles Jackson like Purdue uses Rondell Moore and that they didn't quite use Steve Breston well enough. I mean, I think the thing that frustrates me more than anything else as a Michigan fan for the last 20 years covering this team, but even beyond that, is coaches who have an extremely superb talent and don't use that talent to the fullest of their ability. Right?

I mean, like someone like Charles Woodson finishes his school and you say, there's not anything else that he could have gotten out of Charles Woodson. You know, Brandon Graham finishes and you're like, damn, the guy had twenty six and a half tackles for loss. He had more than eight sacks in three of his seasons. They ain't nothing else that they're going to get out of Brandon Graham. But Jabril Peppers finishes his school at Michigan. You say they ran this. This guy is a frickin Wildcat quarterback. Five years after the Wildcat quarterback was no longer any good,

they didn't do anything else with him. Like, that pisses you off. Rashawn Gary, they wasted his talent. Steve Breston was Percy Harvin. Steve Breston was Anthony Carter. Steve Breston was the most unique athlete michigan had had in 20 years and they were like let's have you be a wide receiver on the outside sometimes we'll hand the ball off to you just a complete and utter waste and so i don't want to see that happen

with giles jackson if they use him the way that they're capable of using him this is a guy that should touch the ball 15 to 20 times a game. A game. Okay? He should be getting five touches in the backfield. He should be getting – he should be targeted 10 times as a wide receiver and just let this guy run wild. I think the stat I looked up the other day was in his true freshman year, now again, it was only about 20 touches, but I think like 25% of his offensive touches went for 20 yards or more.

That's an incredible stat. And if he could – now you give him 50 or 60 touches in a season, maybe you say like there's just no way that 25% of them are going for 20-plus yards. But I think if you truly put him in speed and space, Giles Jackson goes for 20-plus yards on 25% of his offensive touches. If that's 20 touches or 40 touches or 60 touches, that's the guy I'm excited about. So,

so do you see Giles Jackson playing that slot position or is he going to get some snaps, you know, in the backfield or end around, you know, how do you see all those, all that yardage coming? All of it.

You take J.U. Chasson. Remember when J.U. Chasson was their end around specialist know how do you see all those all that yardage coming all of it you take ju chess on remember when ju chess on was their end around specialist give him those um put him in the backfield and motion him out as a you know motion him out into the slot where the linebacker is now carding guarding him instead of a a nickelback and let him try to exploit that linebacker i will tell you what will happen that linebacker will be will tell you what will happen. That linebacker will be like, dude, how did I get assigned this terrible assignment, right? Put him in the backfield. Hand the ball off to him. Give him, like, pitches, you know, halfback tosses, and get a pulling guard out in front of him.

Hopefully they have someone like Cesar Ruiz, a pulling center, that can get out in front of him. Throw him the ball on bubble screens. Throw him the ball on the screen that they used with Donovan Peoples-Jones last year. Throw him the ball on crossing routes. And you know what? Let him go deep, too, and try to exploit that matchup. I think you get him the ball in every way possible.

I'm Josh Gaddis, and from having some conversations, I think Josh Gaddis is prepared to use Giles Jackson in a way that we've never seen a football player at the University of Michigan use. Maybe you'd have to go back to when Rich Rod first started and what they tried to do with Martavius Odoms, and Martavius Odoms wasn't super fast, and so they never really took off. They wanted to bring in Terrence Robinson and do things with him, but then they got, like, Denard Robinson, and they're like, hey, we like Denard Robinson and they're like hey we got Denard Robinson why would we ever take the ball

out of this guy's hands and give it to somebody else um but I think you're going to see something very unique among uh with this Michigan football team if there's a football season well and you saying putting a linebacker on a receiver just gave me so many nightmares because we've seen that on our defense against other offenses so um yeah if we could do that to other defenses that'd be fantastic um the other the other couple guys that i wanted to highlight so do you think so ronnie bell was obviously used a lot last year. Do you think he can move to the outside and be as effective or even more effective? And then do you think Mike Saner still can be the guy that maybe moves in a little bit to that slot receiver,

you know, when Giles isn't used? Yeah, I think they're the Saner still, the only difference between Giles and Saner still is i think giles is a little bit faster and god like man he just seems to have that it factor but um mike saner still in the the brief instances we saw of him what he looked like against notre dame he looked really good uh his ability to make some you know to wiggle a little bit and create some space for himself so i was shocked honestly that we didn't see more of Mike Sanderstil a year ago because the spring of 2019, he was getting the ball a ton, and then he disappeared from the game plan the first six to eight weeks of the season. So, yeah, I would expect to see more of Mike Sanderstil.

In terms of Ronnie Bell, yeah, I mean, why not put him on the edge? You know, he is 6'1". He does have the size. He has been working out with Joe Milton. If Joe Milton's a starting quarterback, Ronnie Bell is like, dude, I got my Shea Patterson here. I got the guy who knows me. If it turns out to be Dylan McCaffrey, Ronnie Bell is like, oh, damn. Well, I guess my days as being the number one receiver are gone because he hasn't spent any time with him.

But at the same time, like, you know, Dylan McCaffrey has been working out in Colorado, so he hasn't spent time with Nico Collins or Giles Jackson. But, yeah, I really like Ronnie Bell. I really like this receiver core. I really just want to see them utilized to the best of their ability because this could be the best wide receiver core in the Big Ten. But I feel like the last couple of years and you want to go back even like the brady hoke era we have been seeing like

this is a guy who's incredibly talented nico collins career receptions his best season is 38 catches 38 catches for that guy who every time you throw the ball to him, anywhere near him, he goes up and catches it. How does that guy have 38 as his best single season? How does that guy in the red zone, how is he not targeted every time you go to the red zone? Every time you go to the red zone. Like, I don't understand things like that. People always say that football is a very complicated game, and yet it's also a very simple game i have a matchup advantage at this position i'm going to use that to my you know i'm going to use it as much as i possibly can and it seems like michigan

maybe it's just because i follow them more than i follow wisconsin or ohio state or indiana or penn state but it seems like michigan literally goes like oh nico collins he's better than any cornerback he's going up against you know what we we're going to do? We're going to use him as a decoy this whole game. Like, what is that? What? Preaching to the choir. I mean, he should – Nico should get a target on every four downs to me. It blows – and that, I think, should be a deep ball

because he comes down with – this is probably not a real stat, but like 90% of deep balls he comes down with somehow. I mean, it'll be accurate. Yeah. It'd be really nice if a quarterback could throw him a deep ball where he doesn't have to stop and wait for three seconds, then jump ball to catch the ball and then just go down.

Like if you can get Nico Collins in stride, he would have, he would have had five more touchdowns last year if you hit him in the stride but you know look i'm not a huge shea patterson fan i don't want to like kill the guy rail against him but here was shea patterson's problem is that he waited too long to throw the ball and then he had a 50 yard maximum 50 yards is not bad as a college quarterback but he could throw the ball 50 yards and if you look at every time he threw an eagle collins the iowa game the notre dame game the penn state game uh i think the maryland game at the end of the year every single time he would

wait he'd wait too long he would throw it 50 yards neagle collins would get there and be like all right i'll stop my route i'll wait here okay i'll jump up and get it like every single time yeah i can't have that yeah if uh if you checked our twitter at all which i'm assuming you didn't but i posted a video of oh you got killed today i i did but i also got i got killed and like people liked it too, but the spate, the spate video, like I didn't see. So it was the video of, of a Wilton spate to Amara Darbo and Wisconsin game at the end of the game, he dropped it in 45 yards. I think it was, but I didn't, I don't remember Shea Patterson making a ball like that, where he it's a 40 plus yard ball he drops it in perfectly in stride in stride I like you said everybody had to come back to the ball everyone

came back at me it was like oh didn't you see DPJ against Michigan State okay yeah he threw a 25 yard pass to him one freaking time you know and DPJ had three yards of separation by the time he got the ball. It's like that's not a hard throw. You should make that throw as a Michigan quarterback 10 times out of 10. Where did DPJ catch that ball? Go back and watch it. He doesn't catch it like this. He catches it like here on his shoulder.

Yeah. Ball was behind him a little bit. He just – I agree with you. Like, I think we actually will because of the experience and decision making. Maybe miss Shea a little bit because we've got two new quarterbacks in. And they're going to make some mistakes at the beginning of the season. But, I mean, Joe Milton is going to throw the ball 80 the beginning of the season but i mean joe milton is going to throw the ball 80 yards these guys know it dylan mccaffrey i think can throw it pretty well so

it's like we're gonna be all pumped up for the deep ball and i swear to god josh caddis i will be so angry at you i know he's listening to our podcast right now he always does but i will be so angry with him if we do not throw the ball deep once every four downs preferably to nico collins nico collins to ronnie bell to josh jackson to mike saner still to to nick eubanks to uh to uh roman wilson to aj henning i mean they've got they've got speed they've got wide receivers Banks to Roman Wilson to A.J. Henning. I mean, they've got speed. They've got wide receivers that can do it. You know, I know you guys are big fans of Brandon Brown.

I'm not really sure why. But Brandon and I were sitting up in the press box for the Michigan-Ohio State game last year, and it was the pregame. And Joe Milton was standing on the other side of the 50 yard line and he would like roll out to his left and then he would like flick his wrist and throw it across his body and he would throw like this 60 yard dart to the far corner of the end zone and the guy would like catch it and like brandon and i are looking at her going like how what what is that? Like, how did they do that? He's incredible. He has one of the best arms I've ever seen in my life. I compared it when he was in high school watching his film. I know he wasn't incredibly accurate, but I compared it to watching him throw on the run was like watching Aaron Rodgers throw on the run.

And people can say, like, that's hyperbole. And what are you doing comparing him? Nobody's saying joe milton is aaron rogers or is ready to step in but his arm strength is aaron rogers ask it's it's incredible it's incredible it's michael i mean it's it's something else you can ask jack he'll say it's pat mahomes ask there you go there you go i was gonna say i mean you're you're definitely obviously way closer with uh devin gardner than we are and i know he's been working with joe milton a little bit you know recently right has i mean does he come out with anything

i mean kind of i'm assuming similar things to what you just said yeah i mean devin's a big fan of joe milton i mean he thinks he thinks this guy, just given the opportunity, he's going to run with it because he's got so much. What he says to me all the time is he's got so much freak athletic ability that he's willing to admit that Joe Milton's a better athlete than Devin Gardner was. He's a different type of athlete than Denard Robinson was. Obviously, he's not the runner that Denard was, but he has a better arm. He really just wants to see what this guy could do if you gave him three starts. Now, it was funny because when we were talking about this, he said, look, he's like, I don't know what happens in the Washington game, but if I was the coaches, I would play both these quarterbacks a half in the ball stating in Arkansas State games and then let them figure out who's the guy leading up to the Wisconsin game now that's completely off the table all we have are the conference games

so unless Michigan starts the season somehow with Rutgers Maryland and say Michigan State we're probably not going to see two quarterbacks we're going to see whoever they think is the best quarterback now who's who's your, if you're willing to say? I was going to say, we've got to ask him. I honestly don't have a pick. I don't know who the starting quarterback is. I don't have a dog in the fight. I don't care.

All I want is a quarterback who's going to be one of the 10 best quarterbacks in college football because Michigan hasn't had that since Chad Henney, 2006. Maybe Denard Robinson, 2011, but Denard was much more still a runner than a passer. That's a non-answer. Come on now. Jack has flipped lots. He's been all over the place. I really don't care.

I can't be mad at that he wants a winner right nobody can argue with that yeah okay let's move on to our fourth down uh section here a little bit of recruiting news uh jj mccarthy in the elite 11 right i mean he plays very highly as far as uh i Roe, I'm not sure if you've been following up on that. You're usually our recruiting guy. No, yeah. I mean, Spath, I think a little bit more in on the recruiting than any of us. I have nothing to say on recruiting. This is fourth down. I need a punt.

Taking a knee. You're punting on fourth down? Because I honestly, football recruiting, like freshmen in college, football recruiting doesn't interest me at all. And I'll tell you why. Because kids decommit like crazy. Because every kid is hyped up to be the next great thing. J.J. McCarthy has been a five-star, give or take,

the entire time that he has been a Michigan commitment. He is, according to a lot of Michigan fans, he's the salvation. You know, if it doesn't work out with Joe Milliton, if it doesn't work out with Dylan McCaffrey, if it doesn't work out with Cade McNamara, if it doesn't work out with Dan Villari, if it doesn't work out with Justin Rowe and Kalen and Jack, then J.G. McCarthy will save the day for Michigan football. And who cares if it's not until 2022 or 2023 J.G. McCarthy is the Andrew Luck of Michigan football I don't care for it I don't care for the way that the kids are hyped I don't care for you know he's going against high school competition

he's at an elite 11 camp where I mean I just watched some of the highlights did you guys see a 11 man defense that he was that he was thrown against because all i saw him was throwing passes to wide receivers look you can take any quarterback in college football you can take shay patterson you can take dillman calf or you can take um will and spade guys you know what you can do you can go get john o'corn and steven threat and you can throw passes to wide receivers without a defense around and I'll tell you what I bet you Steven Threatt and Nick Sheridan and Justin Fagan and John O'Korn and Brandon

Peters look damn good throwing against nobody so for me elite 11 what did J.J. McCarthy do I'm punting because I don't care in the least I'm I'm gonna I'm gonna bring something up here and I don't know if anybody's made this comparison yet, though. And I saw some of the film, and obviously he's super talented. I'm not saying that he's not. But, I mean, we remember Shane Morris, right? He was supposed to be the savior. Ooh, Jack.

I'm not saying that's going to happen, but it could happen. Like you said, people flip-flop, things change once they get to college. I don't know. I don't think i think as michigan fans and we've done it we've put him we've labeled him as a savior you know it doesn't work out with like you said michael it's like if milton doesn't work out if mcafree doesn't work out if valari or mcmurray don't work out we we know it's gonna be jj mccarthy what if that doesn't happen i don't know we saw it with shane morris i don't know if listen if we're to the point and neither mcafree or milton work out after all we've talked about them and i'm gonna fucking lose it i'm sorry

but like we've we've been to this point where everybody's the savior and michigan fans are the kings and queens of putting the backup quarterback or that next guy he's the guy right it's the same thing as next year is the year like if we aren't if we're to the point where we're to 2022 or whatever and neither of these guys have worked out with all the talent that we have i might i'm moving to la i'll be a ucla. I don't know. I got to maybe move continents at this point and just be a Premier League soccer fan or something. I suggest you move to Winnipeg and you just hold Craig Rose jock. That's what I would suggest for you.

I would pay you to see that. That would be amazing. Dude, that's five road tomato faces right there. Oh, God. You're right, though, Justin. If Bill McCaffrey comes up with a compliment right after, yeah. If Joe Milton, if Caden McNamara, if none of these guys pan out. I mean, you know, I know that Jim Harbaugh this week on this teleconference said,

look, I don't think it's fair to criticize our quarterbacks. We've done this, this, and this. But Larry Foote recently, Brandon Graham recently, every former player I talked to, Sean Crable, James Whitley, who I spoke to recently, Devin Gardner, who I speak to all the time, Craig Rowe, Zoltan Mesko, Reuben Riley, every single former player I talk to, I don't even have to steer the conversation.

I say, what do you think is Michigan from this Michigan football team? And every single guy says, we just don't have – we haven't had a quarterback for five years. I mean, that's what it is. And you know what? You can't bullshit former players, right? Former players get it. They understand.

And if they said to me, like, you know what, we just haven't had an offensive line for five years. Or they said to me, you know what, our defensive backfield stinks. They understand it better than anybody. And they have come back every single time to a man we just haven't had a great quarterback. So, in J.J. McCarthy, we trust. Yeah. Oh, God. I'll drink to that.

I'll just keep drinking. All of us can just keep drinking until we maybe win a Big Ten championship or beat Ohio State in the next 27 years. Well, then I'm going to need to buy a lot cheaper scotch from now on. No shit. Well, on that happy note, I'd also like to move to cover another guy that hopefully is a lot happier.

I know we don't all trust these recruiting agencies, but I'm looking at 24-7 sports. Xavier Worthy has 100 percent crystal brawl to michigan he's a four-star wide receiver and in his uh scouting report from brandon huffman it's comparing him to deshaun jackson sure why not great that's awesome so i'll take that you hey speth do you think that so he's he's committing tomorrow at 1 p.m i believe is he coming to michigan do you think uh why not why not trust the crystal balls they're all correct about josh christopher so

they have these things yeah you're straight up all night to wait for that and broke my heart you know what i mean i i trust i work with sam webb i trust sam webb if sam webb tells me he's coming to michigan then i'll say he's coming to michigan yeah yeah say thanks for coming on and hopefully we can have you on again yeah anytime honestly i really enjoyed it and it's it's i don't know why but um we've made a lot of we need a lot of fun of justin here so i'm not sure why that happened i'm always that's weird weird guys yeah you're never invited back so we'll see you yeah sounds good see you later all right thanks all right welcome back from our interview with michael spath

and guys i don't know about you i thought that guy was full of information i thought he was full of shit i we just i'm telling you we got to get that uh workout film with you and craig and just do a like bar school that's just kind of follow you around all day track the whole thing great It would be great content. As much as I would like to actually believe I'm as good of an athlete as Craig, he would eat

me for breakfast. I am going to pass on that content, unless everyone wants it. I'll take one for the team here if it's good content here. I'd say a day in the life. Do a day in the life. You've got to eat everything he eats he eats you got to work out the way he works out for the whole day i mean that would that sounds brutal oh my god well he works out i think legitimately three times

a day so i'd be dead just from that because i do three workouts of going from the couch to the fridge every day and it's curls. I do a ton of 12-ounce curls, though. If we did a drinking competition, I would crush him. Oh, man. Well, we forgot to ask Spath for his 0-90 while he was on. He's going to get in trouble. I know the pain.

It's only been less than a week, but I know now. Real quick, she put the ring on your finger and started laying the law down right you know i was dying to when jack texted us earlier asking hey you guys want to hang out this weekend just boys i'm like oh my god you've been married i gotta got to get away. I got to get away. You've been married for six days. Oh, geez. Oh, man. Oh, that's good stuff. Awesome. All right.

Well, let's do our zero to 90 takes. I'm not sure how prepared you guys are this week. Hopefully somewhat. Does anybody come prepared? Or is it going to be just throwing stuff at the wall i i think we're throwing feces at the wall at this point pretty regular for this show yeah all right anybody want to go first i'll go for it we're all looking at each other like oh man all right ro are you ready here all right let's go your zero to 90 starts now all right so it sounds like we're still at a slim chance for football to actually happen right which is sad sad news we all want football to actually happen, right? Which is sad, sad news.

We all want football to happen, but there is a positive side. If football doesn't happen this year, we don't have to see Justin Fields win the Heisman. We don't have to see Ohio State go 12-0, 13-0, 14-0, 15-0 and win a national championship because they have the best shot. They have probably the best team, best quarterback in the country so i will take no season there you go there's your 30 seconds but i appreciate the sentiment yeah that's a glass half full guy right there i'm trying here as a michigan fan who when we haven't won anything in a while you have to kind of you know get around these these uh these things

here and look at it somewhat positively i do i love the spin you put on that that was great i mean anytime i don't have to watch ohio state win i'll take that 10 times out of 10 all right jack are you ready for your zero to 90? As ready as I'll ever be. All right, your zero to 90 starts now. All right, my hot take, it's a personal goal for myself. Next Michigan hockey season, I will be watching probably 10 to 15 times as much hockey as I do now whenever that season comes up. I'm going to be a big hockey guy. I'm going to start supporting children of Yost.

And my guy, can't even remember his name. But, yes, I'm going to be a hockey fan from now on. Billy McCullough. Billy McCullough, assistant coach. Yes, there we go. All right. There you go. He got it over here.

Sorry, Bill. Got it in under 30 seconds. Oh, God. That's awesome. There you go. He got it over here. All right, Bill. Got it in under 30 seconds. Oh, God. Hey. That's awesome. These are bad. You better not have a good one this time. But, okay.

Not really. I like it, though, because we're all about having good environments. We talked about it on our last episode, right? We might as well go support the team team the venue that has the best environment we got to take that in when we can instead of just sitting here complaining i'm all for it we're staying positive here i love it it's not how this show is supposed to go after i took an absolute beating throughout the entire episode that was entertaining yeah thank you thank you

what's craig rowe coming on i know i want to see craig on here now okay craig michael and justin all on uh all on one episode together the row cast they'd be sitting there just shitting down my throat for an hour. Oh, man. All right, Kalen. Are you ready? Yeah. Well, I'm not ready, so let me just slow down here. Are you ready?

Well, I'm not. All right, Kalen,vin you ready yeah you're zero to 90 starts now okay so i read this article on sports illustrated by pat fjord about america realigned a radical reimagining of the ncaa landscape and he talks about playing a regional schedule where we are in the great mid-east with akron ball state cincinnati indiana kent state maryland michigan state ohio ohio state purdue and toledo i want to see that schedule uh that way we can still play msu we can still play ohio state and then crush a bunch of a bunch of mac teams wow right at 30 seconds i i loved every bit of that until you said Ohio State. I was just going to say the same thing. I was like, oh, my God, we're playing off here without Ohio State.

Do we want to preserve that rivalry, right? So, yeah, I mean, I get it. I guess, but I'd like to win one. Move it to the beginning of the season. You know what, too? I want to say this on the end. I know we're past everything but notre dame get in a conference join a conference if this is all at the point where you know it's

only conference play you shouldn't get bailed out by the acc the big 10 anybody else this is the time join a freaking conference don't play two lane in week 11 i know i wish people were just like you know what fuck you you're not in a conference you don't get to play not play off you have to sign a 10-year deal to join whatever conference you're gonna play in and then you lock them in that's what they should have done acc should have done it why like you know fuck you they they just at the acc it sounds like they're just like, yeah, if they want to come, we'll let them come in. And it's like, dude, you have the upper hand here.

You could say join and then we'll let you in on this season. But whatever. I'm sick of it. Jack, I'm glad you got our two F-bombs in. So we're still PG-13. Just don't drop another one. Yeah, I got you. We'll keep it at two.

Well, good thing it's right at the end of the show nobody listens this far anyway we decided that right true oh it's an explosion at this point we're just we're just talking whatever talking to ourselves right now after like six times of us screwing up or having bad takes everyone's like all right delete delete unsubscribe by the end of the show we have like half a listener and it's my mom half a listener she's falling asleep all right if you guys don't have anything else to add um i'll just wrap it up here check us out at blue by 90 and check us out on youtube at blue by 90 podcast if you have any

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