Blue By Ninety - Michigan legend Spike Albrecht talks Michigan basketball, Dusty May, and his infamous tweet

Episode Date: April 3, 2024

Justin and Tanner are joined by former Michigan hooper Spike Albrecht to talk Michigan basketball, the hire of Dusty May, and his incredible performance in the Final Four.

All right. Welcome back to Blue by 90. I'm Justin joined by Tanner and we've got a special guest with us today. Michigan hopes legend. I do. People got to call you a legend, right? Very loosely. I don't know about that. We've got Spike Albrecht with us today. You've at least got like 10 to 15 minutes of being a legend for like, that's for certain on top of the rest of your career. But, but no, appreciate you joining us, man. It's happy to see you back on Twitter, getting into the Michigan atmosphere a little bit again with Stauskas and everything too. But, but thanks for coming on with us, man. For sure. No, I appreciate you guys, man. I'm excited. Let's get it going. Yeah.

I mean, it's an interesting time, to say the least, for Michigan basketball. I think the first thing I wanted to ask you was, like, what were you thinking when all of a sudden John Beeline's name was back in the fold of, like, trying to find a new coach? Yeah. Well, I thought, I thought there was a slight chance that coach Beeline was coming back to be the coach for a second, which, you know, with his, sorry, coach B, but with his, his age and he's had some health stuff.

So I was like, I don't know if he'll do it. But I thought he would have been, you know, a great answer and a quick fix. But I will say I was super pumped that he was involved. I don't know to what extent, but, you know, he's someone obviously he's a Hall of Famer in college basketball and, you know, has deep ties to Michigan. So I thought Ward reaching out to him or whatever that looked like was a great move. And they went out and got a really good, a really good coach and a really good guy in Dusty. Yeah, I mean, I think the one thing that I can say from just the fan perspective is probably a little bit different than the former player perspective.

But, like, after the last two-plus seasons, I mean, even when they made the Sweet 16 in 2021 like a top five preseason just didn't really mesh with the five stars they brought in and some of the guys that were still there from the beeline era but over those last few years like it's just so refreshing to have like some sort of hope and optimism for the program because that had really been missing so from a former player perspective like what is your thoughts on that and like what are the conversations like over the last couple years you don't have to share those if you don't want to but like moving forward now having a having a head man having a guy that's got a plan like what are those conversations like what's the vibe like compared to the last couple years where it's

kind of a lot of doom and gloom yeah no i mean i can tell you because i i still stay in you know contact with a lot of my former teammates and you know obviously Stowski a lot we we go back and forth me him Novak we're on text threads watching games and um obviously we all love Michigan man like we're rooting we're rooting for those guys every game um wanted to see Jawan do well but um and I'm sure he would be the the first guy to admit these last couple years obviously was just not what anyone wanted um you know there's a lot of external factors and things that you know i think played into it but at the end of the day it's it's performance-based business and we just weren't getting it done so um i think for me man like

the hardest thing to see wasn't necessarily like even the results like you know losing games or whatever um i seen some pictures on on twitter and in like there was in the stands I mean I'm seeing like two three four thousand people at games and you know I know Michigan it's it's football and it's not like we're going to be sold out every game but like you know when I was playing I felt like we always had you know good crowdsler was rocking back in the day, man, for you guys. It was unbelievable. And just, like, selfishly, man, like, for the kids playing and for recruits, like, coming in, like, that's what you want.

And I felt like there was just, you know, there wasn't a whole lot of juice these last couple years and excitement around the program. And, you know, a lot of it had to do with football winning national championships. So people were like, eh, you know, at least we got that, you know. But, like, I definitely think there needs to be a, you know, a shift and a change. And I'm hoping, you know, Coach May coming in can create some of that excitement

and bring back that buzz. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, I think that's like the vibe of the program, you know, just needs to have a little reset here, right? There needs to be some juice behind what's going on. It sounds like Dusty has some juice behind him for sure. One question, would you, like, is it, would it have to be Coach May or is there a chance you would be calling him Dusty as a player if you're coming in?

Oh, no, no, no. As a coach, man, I was scared shitless. Everybody was coached yes yes sir no sir so which actually okay yeah so that's where like i've heard some things about coach b coach b like in front of the press or like in interviews seems like the nicest man on planet earth but i have to imagine there were times when you experienced not so nice coach b right oh for sure i i uh coach b i mean he's he's the best but uh you know he definitely had some some competitiveness to him and he would he would be quick to hold you accountable so i will say he

always went about it in a very respectful manner um like i think in my four years at michigan i think i've heard him cuss like five times and I'm like the complete opposite. I'm, you know, I drop F-bombs left and right. And it's, I don't mean to, it's just like part of who I am, but, uh, he definitely lit me up a couple of times and, and, uh, he humbled me pretty quickly. So what is like, what does that usually sound like? If, if coach B is, is chewing you out, what does that sound like if coach B is is chewing you out what does that sound like yeah um honestly

so I'll just give you like a perfect example you know coming back after my my freshman year the summer we obviously had that great run we went to the national championship um you know I had my good game in the championship or whatever so I kind kind of thought I was like, you know, hot stuff. Right. And then that summer we're all back. We're like preseason top three, top five. And, uh, you know, my whole class, we had some summer class. I can't remember, but, um, we ended up skipping a class and that was like a big, big, no, no, I'm thinking summer class. Like we're coming off final four, who really cares? And, uh, coach B cared. So he brought, he brought us in and you know we had to do camp sanderson for like two weeks but he literally man he went down the row and like

lined up mitch mcgary glenn robinson nick stout scarce and i was the last one and he had already ripped into them and then he got to me and like it was just like the most degrading thing ever he's like in spike he goes i'll send your ass back to division three school so quick and i was just like the most degrading thing ever. And he's like, and Spike, he goes, I'll send your ass back to Division III school so quick. And I was just like, oh. I was like, that one stings, man. Like that was a shot to the gut. But it was great. I needed it.

You know, I was like, I was being a punk, a punk 19-year-old, 20-year-old kid. So it was good. Yeah. Well, I wanted to ask on this subject, and we're probably going to talk a little bit about that 2012, 2013 team. I mean, one of my favorite, probably my favorite Michigan basketball team ever. Whether it's that team or just in your time in Michigan, what's the freakiest thing you've ever seen someone do like athletically on the court?

Like for me, it's probably Glenn Robinson's 360 against Minnesota, but I'm not in practice like you were. So I'd love to know if there was something in practice or even a game that you're like, just, just freakishly athletic that you saw from one of your guys. Yeah. So, I mean, yeah, Glenn, Glenn was a freak, like the stuff he could do, you know, dunking a basketball wise was insane. Like the three sixties, three 60 windmills crazy. But one of the craziest things I saw, and it was, it was Glenn again, was freshman year summer.

It was actually in the weight room. And I still tell this story to this day because i i think it's insane and like i'm not a big you know we weren't like big weight room guys like our our team like i'm a basketball really because you definitely yeah well i know exactly you guys this camera doesn't do it justice trust me um but no we were we were back squatting dude and glenn, I think he had 315 on. So I think that's three plates on each side. Like, and I, yeah, it was crazy. So he's back squatting and just repping them out. And like, he must not have had, you know, on the sides to secure it, to make sure nothing

slips off. He didn't have them on one of the sides. And as he's going down, dude, the thing starts to shift. So think like 315 pounds like if that's me that thing's gone right like it's just flying you're sideways yeah I'm done my career's over like dude he was this way and was able to like his core strength like readjust center it and go back up and again I didn't know anything about weightlifting, but I'm sitting there watching it. And I look at Sanderson and I'm like, yo, I don't know much. I was like, but what the hell was that? And Sanderson was like, he goes, he like, didn't want to like,

you know, tell Glenn and, you know, get his ego. But he's like, Hey, that was the most impressive thing I've ever seen. And I was like, okay. I was like, I thought so too, but I was like, I don't know anything, but it was, uh, it was wild, dude. I was like i don't know anything but it was uh it was wild dude i was like this guy's a freak show yeah he um i mean obviously we saw it on the court of just like the bunnies that he had were insane um i mean i'll say i'll ask you this like when you guys had that core of like that you know they kind of called it the new fab five right at the time or whatever but you had a bunch of freshmen that were coming in. At what point did you guys know as a class, like, oh, shit, we might have it.

We're kind of that squad. Yeah, I think you could kind of see it in the summer, just in like workouts, open gym. I mean, I knew the other four guys in my class were nasty. Like just through doing skill work. I remember going home and telling friends, I was like, hey, I'm pretty sure I'm going to be the only guy in this class not playing in the NBA. But then we would do open gyms.

And as freshmen, like I was just happy to get into the open gym. Whereas these other guys, I mean, they were out there, you know, cooking, getting buckets. And then you have Timmy and Trey in the mix. We had some really good players. But, like, from our class, like, we would split up and do freshman versus the upperclassmen. And there was days we, you know, we took it to them or, like,

we would compete with them. So that's when I – and then, obviously, Trey Burke was the X factor because me and him were just not on the same playing field. But, like, everywhere else, I was like, yo, we might have these guys, you know, we're pretty good. Well, and what, like, what did practice, like when, what did scrimmages look like at the time? Were there times where you're sitting there and you're like, holy shit, there are like seven NBA guys on the floor.

Yeah. It was awesome. And I, I mean, I was, it sounds bad like fangirling at practice you know but I was like I wasn't supposed to be at Michigan so there was times like I'm just a basketball junkie and I just I knew I could compete with those guys but I also knew I had a ceiling so like I appreciate good basketball and in good talented like you know hoopers when I see it and yeah I just remember watching those guys and like me and Stileski would go back into the dorm room. We were rooming together freshman year and like we were just sit there and I was like, you know, I think we might win a national championship. And we didn't know anything about college basketball. We had played a game, but we're like, dude, Trey's sick.

Timmy's sick. Like Nick's sick. Mitch is nasty. I was like, we're going to be pretty good. Yeah. So it was fun. I would love to know. And I'm sure in that locker room you guys had no doubts. But like that 2012-2013 season, you guys start off, I think, 16-0, like get up to number one at a certain point. And then there were some late season kind of losses at the back end of the regular season before going into the Big Ten tournament.

Was there anything that kind of like – was there any sort of like players meeting? Like you weren't playing bad or anything, but it just was kind of a – it wasn't a great end to the year. You get a four seed when you've been in the top five all season. Like was there any sort of like moment where it's like, no, we need to lock back in? Or like was there anything like that that propelled you on that run? Yeah, there was for sure.

So I honestly, man, like, I think once we kind of seen, you know, we had a little skid and we felt like, you know, we moved out of the top, you know, cause we were number one in the country at one point, but we moved out of the top five or top 10, whatever it was. And when we ended up losing the big 10, um, it was like super deflating, but everything kind of just shifted towards the NCAA tournament. Like we were like, OK, we know we're the best team in the country. We've been talking about, you know, national champs since June. Let's just get to the tournament.

So everybody was kind of like just over the regular season, over the Big Ten tournament. And we got bounced early in the Big Ten tournament. But like the NCAA tournament kind of rejuvenated us and was like, all right, let's get our swagger back. Like, let's go win six straight. So we actually had a players only meeting at the Pizza House. I remember right before NCAA tournament kicked off and it was basically like, all right, like, hey, no social media for the next, you know, three to four weeks or whatever, you know, the tournament is because that can be distracting. We had some guys, stowski being one of them love him to death but he he would get in his feelings on social media so we're like let's let's cut off social media um and honestly like trey burke stepped up big time in that in that meeting

and went around the horn and just like started you know talking about accountability and naming off everyone's strengths and like what they could bring to the table um and that was big because trey like wasn't really someone who spoke up a lot, especially in meetings like that. Like he was obviously a leader on the court and a leader by example. But at that point in time, I was like, all right, like fresh start, everybody's zero and zero. Like we've already proved that we have the talent to be one of the best teams

in the country. Now let's just go out and do it. And then honestly, we kind of had a chip on our shoulder. Cause like we went in as a four seed right we got seven nba nba players on this team and like we probably deserved it because we lost games but at the same time we were like we could beat anybody yeah and and like explain what a what a tournament run like that is like because i think you know march madness for us it's the best time of the year right even as like you know we're huge football fans too obviously but like still the first weekend of March Madness is the best weekend of the year by far and you know it's just so fun to to be in

those arenas and you know and be a part of that and so for you guys when it's like when you're going on a run like that and it's it's got to feel you know you play you know Thursday Saturday or Friday Sunday and then if you win those which it's insane even to get out of that first weekend right you go home for what like 24 hours until you fly back out to wherever you're going so explain like what it's got to just be like your head spinning at all times how do you even stay focused it was it was it was honestly it was crazy i mean it was definitely like the most exciting and fun you know three or four weeks of my life but it was a whirlwind i mean i remember we go to class monday tuesday right like we hit we'd hit classes and obviously i mean you're not

you're not paying attention to shit in class. No, no one is. And like everybody's super excited and they're like pumped for you. The professors and the classmates, like everybody knows you're getting ready. Everybody follows March Madness and they get behind you during these runs.

So like we would go to class Monday, Tuesday and then finish up practice film and then bounce. Like head to the airport either Tuesday night, Wednesday morning, and then we're practice film and then bounce, like head to the airport, either Tuesday night, Wednesday morning, and then we're gone Wednesday through Sunday. So like you're there a full day in advance prepping, maybe getting some, some time on the court the day in advance. You know, you're scouting, watching film, practicing at like a different gym, but you're getting police escorts everywhere you go. Like you're honestly, you feel like a rock star. Like you're traveling around first class. And then, you know, you play Thursday, you feel like a rock star. You're traveling around first class, and then you play Thursday,

play Saturday, or play Friday, play Sunday, but it's just nonstop. I'm sure every coach has a different approach, but Coach B, it was if we played Thursday, we're working Friday. We're watching film. We're scouting. We're doing walkthroughs. Coach B line is one of the best in terms of preparation. Like we were always,

I always thought like way more prepared than our opponents. And I think that's why he always, you know, he has a lot of success in the tournament, Michigan, when coach beeline, his system is very hard to prepare for, right. Like on a short day on a two day notice, but what's the reason for that? I think that, that two-galler offense is a is a mother man like there's a lot to it you know there's a lot of uh there's a lot of different reads encounters and people try to scout it and i mean there's just a million

different options um and he i mean the pick and roll under coach b quite literally impossible defense elite yes especially with the types of guys he recruits right into his system and he The pick and roll under Coach B is quite literally impossible to fend. Elite. Yeah, especially with the types of guys he recruits, right, into his system. And we talked about that earlier, like building a team and having an identity. Like he was the best at that. But, yeah, I mean, it was all business. Like, you know, I had all my friends and family, like they came on all the trips. And I honestly had barely got to see him. It wasn't like I was going out, kicking it, you know, grabbing lunch and dinner. Like we were there, you know,

to, to get stuff done. And we did have a little bit of downtime here and there, but most of our time was either doing team meals together, watching film, doing walkthroughs. And at the time, you know, you're 19, 20 year old kid. You're like, man, I kind of want to just like chill and live it up a little bit, but the reward was, was so worth it. Yeah. I mean, it's, it's, uh, it is, it's fun to watch. So I can't imagine how cool it is and fun it is to be a part of it. But, uh, I'm sure, you know, the thing is that the normal average Joe has no idea how much work actually goes into it you know they see the 40 minutes on the court and that's about it so yeah for sure it's i wish that was it so i wanted to ask about the 2013 sweet 16 game against kansas uh would love to know because

i know i'm just taking this is like my again this is like my favorite team like i was a senior in high school. Like Michigan had had some success when I was younger, but like I always got a lot of trash talk my way. So like it was so, so nice. Which, by the way, growing up in Indiana, I really wish you guys could have at least split those with the Hoosiers. Trust me. I'm with you, man. I know. I'm preaching to the choir.

Did you grow up an Indiana fan or did you have a – Not really, man. He's just saying that now because he's a boy. No, no. Yeah, yeah. I'll tell you what. I kind of more so rooted for players. Like I had some kids from my area that I kind of grew up watching

and like idolized and, you know, they had gone to this school or that school. But I honestly grew up kind of – and this is, I'm sorry to the Michigan fans, but, um, I kind of grew up being a Notre Dame basketball fan because they, they had a guy named Kyle McElhinney. Um, I don't know if that name rings a bell, but like just a little white dude, he had games. So I'm like, Hey, I could, I could be that guy. You know, that's kind of how I tried to figure out what teams and in schools I liked. But they never recruited me. And it's just crazy that that I ended up at Michigan. And it turns out to be one of our biggest rivals. So, yeah, I mean, the Notre Dame basketball, though, like I don't even know the last time they played.

So I think that's OK. I think you're off. Yeah. I thought you were going to say Ohio State because like Greg or something. No, no, no, no. It worked out great. Now, when you were growing up, at what point – I mean, obviously, A, did you ever – were you always short? Did you ever have a growth spurt? Like what was the situation? And then B, at what point were you though like I don't fucking care if I'm short. I can still hoop with any dude on the court. Yeah, I mean, so I have two older brothers.

So we're all three years apart. So I always grew up playing against older guys. And, you know, for basketball, I'm not short short, like, in general, right? I'm sorry. I shouldn't have used the F word. Yeah, yeah. I'm short on the basketball court. Right.

But, yeah, like, I've usually always been, you know, as a point guard, and especially when you start playing with, you know, high level players, like I've always been one of the smaller guys on the court. So I've always kind of been slighted and kind of looked over. But I mean, I was always competing. Like I've been on a million different basketball floors, AAU, all sorts of showcases. And I'll tell you, like until I got to Michigan and started going against Trey Burke,

that was like the first time where I was like, Ooh, this guy's a lot better than me. And like, that was great. Cause it's like the national player of the year to be like, Oh shit. I come to find out, I'm like, Hey, he's a lot better than everybody else too. It's all good. But yeah, I think to find out, I'm like, hey, he's a lot better than everybody else, too. It's all good. But, yeah, I think in high school I really started to realize, even though I wasn't getting like the notoriety and getting recruited, I really started to realize I could definitely play college basketball. I was like, I think I could play Division I. I was like, because there's a bunch of kids that I'm playing against that had Division I offers.

And I was like, I'm kind of giving them buckets. So I'm like, I don't know. I know I don't necessarily pass the high test, but I was like, it's really not that hard. I was like, I feel like I'm better than this guy. I don't know why he has offers here or there. But it just took a special coach to kind of see the value in what I bring and how I could help impact the game. And Coach B, fortunately for me, he saw something there.

I think the long baggy shorts at the time, too, didn't do you the best. It made you look a little shorter. Just fat and short. Yeah. It's like, oh, terrible, man. By the way, I just looked at, you know, on Sports Reference, you're 5'11". I feel like we could have gotten that to six foot in MGO Blue. For sure. Yeah. I mean, in high school, I was always putting six foot.

When I got to college and I got scholarship, I was like, hey, I'm already here. Like, screw it. Put me whatever you want. What does your driver's license say? It does say six foot though. That's right. That's right. If I'm going into bars and getting carded, I got to make sure the girls know I'm sick. Yeah, yeah. You absolutely need to let the girls know. Yeah. That's what it is.

So, Spike, you mentioned Trey Burke, and I do this, man. I get sidetracked. I start asking a question, and I think it's about something else, man. This is what I do. Justin knows. That Kansas game, man, like, as a fan, I'm an emotional watcher, whether it's football basketball hockey like i think i startled my wife watching the michigan hockey game and on my ipad in bed the

other night just like fist pumping after every goal um so like as a player what's your what's your mentality when you're down 16 to a number one seed and you know you've got trae burke out there you got tim hardaway all these guys mitch and gary like what's that mentality like and then what's that euphoria like when that shot goes through and then you clinch it in overtime yeah so for me man because that was a game I was kind of in like your shoes I felt like a fan especially in that last four to six minutes and I'm super emotional but I knew I wasn't getting back in that game right like we're down 12 or 15 there's only three or four minutes left like Trey's not there's zero percent he could like break his ankle and he's yeah like hey you got to figure it out dude yeah yeah so um I was sitting there honestly man and I

was just like I was sad because I was like dang like our season's over I mean I'm not delusional I'm like hey we're down 12 13 two minutes ago I was like damn this, like our season's over. I mean, I'm not delusional. I'm like, hey, we're down 12, 13, two minutes to go. I was like, damn, this sucks. Like I thought this team was, you know, we had a legit chance to get to a final four. And that's what was going through my mind. Now, obviously, like we're all putting on the front. We're clapping and we're like, we got this. But in the back of my mind, I'm not playing.

So, like, obviously, I can't control it. And I'm like, hey, we got no shot here, you know. But it was cool. I mean, it starts snowballing. Like, we got a couple baskets. It goes to 10, to 8, to 6. And, like, it's like if you're watching the game, right, you're a fan. I'm like, hey, hold on.

Like, we might have a shot here, man. Like, we got a little life. And that's kind of what I was living. And then, dude, when he hit that shot, like, it was just the coolest moment ever because we had some heartbreaking losses that year. Yeah. Like, Trey had a three go in and out at ohio state right yeah i mean the way that we lost the big 10 with jmo's tip yeah so it was just like man that was that was our moment like you gotta have you gotta have some sort of of luck or something break your way i feel like every team has it maybe not yukn this year they're beating everyone by 100

but like most teams right i mean jordan pool when he hit that three and they got to the final four i think in 18 that was like our moment and for it to be trey for the year he had national player of the year like i was just like oh my god someone's someone's looking over this kid well okay but when he was okay when he spots up like, take that shot from 35 feet or whatever it was, is there ever, like – I know it happened so quick, so I don't even know if there's a chance to think about it, but, like, was there ever, like, what are you doing, like, that moment? I think everyone kind of had that, but, like, for me,

I know there's, like, a great clip out there of Stauskas, and he's like, wow, that's a bad shot, you know? But, like, which, I mean, obviously it wasn't, but it's like for me, I know there's like a great clip out there of Stauskas and he's like, wow, that's a bad shot. You know, but like which I mean, obviously it wasn't. But it's like, dude, you're down three with seven seconds to go. You're getting a double drag screen like you're not going to get a wide open look for me. I was just like, hey, if we're going to go down like I want to go down with our best player. I was like, Trey, I don't care where the hell you shoot it from. I was like, I feel better about you shooting it than anybody else.

So like that's how I would be as a coach. Like I want to put the ball in my best player's hands. And like, I mean, dude, like big time players make big time plays. And that, that was it. I was like, this dude's nasty. Yeah. I have a question. Is, is Josh Bartlstein like a, is he like a time traveler or something?

Like, why did he react so quickly? Like he reacted before the balls in the air and he's like fist pumping well like that picture cracks me up every single time i know yeah i dude i know i i see him on the bench like he gets up and does like the little leg kick and i'm like dude if whether or not you meant to do that i was like it it looks super baller because you look like you just had like the most swag and you knew that was going in when i'm like he's shooting a 30 foot step back like we have no idea what's gonna happen maybe he maybe he knew more than us at the time because now he definitely knows more ball than yeah because he's like an nba gm at this for sure yeah he's the ceo of the phoenix suns yeah he's he's crushing it he's a ball knower yeah yeah um

well and then obviously that leads to uh leads to the game of your life. And a few games later, I mean, did you ever in a million years think that, like, all right, you're warming up in the national championship. First of all, take that part in of like, holy shit, I'm in the national championship, right? Yeah. Was that even like, that had to be the most insane thing in the national championship right yeah it was that even like that had to be the most insane thing in the biggest arena ever right yeah it was unbelievable

man like and that's something like it's hard to put into words that experience but like running running through the tunnel and the smokes flying out and i mean you're running into an arena in a court where there's 75 80 80,000 people there. I tell people it's like I was running around and we're doing our little lap. You can like, you feel like you're hovering above the court. Like I couldn't even like feel myself on the floor. So, I mean, it was just like, it was like euphoric, man. It was an awesome, an awesome moment.

And then obviously you like, so you go into the game after trade did he get two fouls is that why he got pulled right um I think yeah early I think I went in with him when he had one okay so because I was playing alongside him for a little bit okay and then when he got his second I knew I was in the rest of the half like full time and and he was coming out now i still say if stuff started hitting the fan with me in there like coach b i'm sure would have brought trey back in like you have to at that point like yeah you're not saving him for uh you know the masters it's like let's get him back out here right so that makes sense um yeah but then mean, obviously like you just catch fire.

And was there like, was it, was it just one of those like unconscious moments where you're just like, I don't know what's going on or like, was, was there direction from coach B like, Hey, I want you to take a couple of these shots or how did it go down? No, I think there was, yeah. I mean, coach B's, I think his direction was just like, Hey man, like, like, dude, be confident. Like we, we trust in you. We believe in you, like go do your thing. Um, but yeah, I mean, I like, I've been in a group before and kind of like caught fire. I feel like everybody in,

in sports has kind of had that, that mode. And I just happened to catch it on, on the biggest stage. Um, but it's something really weird. Like my shot, I felt so good that whole tournament. I don't know what it was, if it was the basketballs or, or what, but I was just like, I felt like every shot I took was going in. Um, and even in like the previous games and, um, I obviously I just didn't shoot a ton of them, but I got a lot more opportunities in that game. because I played a long, you know, longer minutes. But, yeah, like never in my wildest dreams that I think I was going to go out and play 20 minutes in the national championship and score 17 points. And, you know, a lot of that had to do with them probably not guarding me all that well because they didn't know who I was. So I know I snuck a couple quick ones in there while they probably didn't have me on the scouting report but uh it was

pretty cool and I think more than anything man like I like to to look back or hear from people where like it was so cool to see how excited my teammates were for me and then like my friends and family because obviously it was a great experience for me to be out there and you know playing well on a big stage but like it was looking back it was cooler to see like the guys on the bench going nuts because it was just the most unexpected thing in college basketball that year I think the only thing more unexpected and this is a two-parter spike because I think this kind of segues into you know what college basketball is today versus you know a decade ago so one how quickly after the social media hiatus did you reinstall twitter to tweet at kate upton yeah and secondly do you ever sit back and think damn i could have made so much fucking money if i was 10 years younger yeah i uh no for sure and i don't know how much money I would have made I would

have taken anything um but uh yeah the the social media was activated pretty quickly I I remember sitting in in the locker room and this is after a loss mind you um but like we're in the locker room and I'm kind of just looking around and I remember like guys on the team just like looking at me as if they'd like seen a ghost like like what, what just happened. And I mean, this is like Twitter and, you know, social media, it was kind of new back then. Like it wasn't what it is today. Um, but I just remember people coming up and telling me that, you know, like you, you're trending or, you know, I think, I think my followers went from like 3000 to like 40,000 overnight, which that's a big deal, especially back then. Right. Like for sure. Um, and I, yeah, I mean, I obviously

did the whole Kate Upton thing the next, the next day, uh, you know, with, with coach B kind of co-signing it. Cause I remember doing it and I was like, I don't think he's going to be super happy about this, but it was like, so what did you like shoot a text film like hey I'm about to at Kate Upton are you okay with this no it was it was kind of like him co-signing it after the fact uh because like I had talked to Stauskas and Novak and some of my my friends and brothers and just like ran it by a bunch of people that I felt like would help me make a good decision enough people backed you yeah and they're like no no they're like dude that's amazing like she's at the game they're like I felt like would help me make a good decision. And they'll go back to you. Yeah. And they're like, no, no, no.

They're like, dude, that's amazing. Like she's at the game. They're like, you know, it's way more likely that she responds to you than you doing what you did. So I was like, okay, that's fair. And Coach B was super cool about it. And he kind of leaned into it. And we had a lot of fun going back to Ann Arbor and stuff. That's funny

um did anything ever come of it what did like not even a conversation yeah she married she married justin verlander's yeah i know that part but no like no dm nothing nothing nothing no no that's yeah so that's a bummer yeah it good. No, it worked out well for her. So that did work out well for her. Hey, you're doing all right. You know, but, you know, I mean, hey, shoot your shot, right? You shot your shot in the game. Shoot your shot.

You know, why not? For sure. So, yeah, you know, that is that is funny. Obviously, I mean. The game, obviously, we wish went a different way. You know, Luke Hancock just goes – he goes unconscious in the second half. I can't believe you said his name. I know. It triggers me still to this day.

Hey, he's a great dude, by the way. Yeah. So, my previous company, like, so I work in finance, and, like, he's doing his thing in Louisville still. So, I told my buddy that covers Kentucky. I was like, Hey, have you ever talked to him? Like just let him know I'm furious still. Because I was like in the first half, I'm like, Holy shit.

Michigan's going to win the national championship. And then that son of a gun hits like four threes. And I'm just like, all right, cool. There's like nothing you can do. Like it was kind of the same thing as far as like, just what you did spike and just put up shots. And then I'm like, who the hell is this guy? Just, you know, hitting threes. Like spike and just putting up shots and then i'm like who the hell is this guy just you know hitting threes like it was just such a back and forth and it was a

great game and i don't want to skip ahead too much but since we're on the subject i know it's a different regime when you're at louisville but did you ever just walk around like hey man that that block was clean like was there ever any of that in your head of like man uh not Not really, just because a lot of those guys weren't there. Right. So it was a completely different staff, and they weren't really a part of it. But, like, I do mess around with, you know, with Luke. I've seen him from time to time at Final Fours and whatnot. We hang out, and I'm sure if I have a couple beers or something,

I'll give him a hard time. But he's been a great sport about it. He's a good dude, and, you know, I'll give him a hard time. But he's been a great sport about it. He's a good dude. And, you know, I always tell people, like, if it had to be one guy in that team to do what he did and beat us, like, you know, I'm glad it was him because he's a good stand-up dude. But, I mean, obviously you're part of one of the greatest Michigan basketball teams ever, which has to be so cool.

And just, you know, the run that you guys went on in your in your tenure um and then you go to purdue which i want to talk about them a little bit for a second just because they're you know they're about to be in the final four um you have shown so much love for coach painter uh you know in your past and so like i mean talk about him you know obviously it's not like we love coach fainter i think we respect coach fainter yeah yeah fans you know we wish we could beat the shit out of them though still for sure but i mean just like how has he you know even through what they've gone through with tournament struggles built up an incredible program there and now you know going

into a final four with possibly the best team in the tournament, you know, up there with Yukon and Zach Eadie just being just a non-human being. He's an alien for sure. Yeah, he is. He's an absolute freak, man. No, I, I, I agree, man. And like people give me a hard time because, you know, obviously like Michigan, I did a year at Purdue and I, I do show Peyton produce some love, but like, it's just different like Michigan I did a year at Purdue and I I do show paint and produce some love but like it's just different like I got a pretty unique perspective having been around him and you know it's like I I give love to people that are good people they're genuine they they treat people well they do things the right way like he's very he's he's very different

personality wise and like coach beeline but the way he approaches the approaches the day to day and like the way he's built that program and the way he takes care of people and treats former players and this and that it's very similar, right? Like I promise you, if, if like he was at the university of Michigan, people would love him, right? Because he's a great dude. He does things the right way, genuinely cares about the players. But I think, you know, just in terms of the program and what he's built like it hasn't happened overnight right you know like i mean he's been there i think i

heard him say 19 years and he's had some struggles but like he's continued to get up off the ground and work and work and where he recruits he's done a great job of you know building the relationship well he recruits aliens every single year too right right? Actually, I don't know if they're aliens or are they like created in a lab somewhere? I'm not sure about Edie because I haven't seen anything like him before. But yeah, I mean, he does a great job with recruiting. But like it goes back to what we were talking about earlier. He does a good job of putting together teams. And there's a clip out there of him talking about you know the purdue

identity and like him building rosters and he's not just out there looking for four and five stars like one of my best friends is grady eifert i don't know if anybody remembers that name but like grady was a former walk-on he's you know a six six four man he just he's a tough dude but he can make open shots he doesn't turn the ball over so So like paint is very, um, you know, detailed about how he's putting together the pieces are, you know, around Zach and that support system or, you know, around, you know, former players, X, Y, and Z, whoever it is. But like, it's a lot of due diligence. It's a lot of work. And then he is very similar to beeline in the fact that every day, the way that he prepares, you know, they over-prepare in terms of strategy,

game plan, X's and O's. So like, I promise you of all the teams left in the final four, they may not win it, but I've been there as a player. I spent a year as a GA. They're going to be the most prepared team in the final four in terms of strategy, X's and O's. I mean, their system, all the different plays and counters, it's so he's he's done a really good job man yeah um i have one question though is zach heady just tall oh god so dude that is like fighting words to me it drives me nuts man and like people people hate on him yeah he's tall like of course he's tall he's tall as hell sure it helps right but like it's not his fault that he's tall but like it's also people understand how difficult it is to be seven four three hundred pounds and move the way

that he does like there's been a lot of seven footers I know a lot of seven footers who suck who are awful right I've played with them like i've played against them not everybody who's seven foot zach edie like he's the most dominant player in the last 20 34 i have no idea like he's a stud right for college i don't know how he'll be in the nba but like college he's he's insane i mean but like his motor his stamina the way he can get up and down he's playing 32 minutes a game this year like that's incredible finishes with both hands like 32 minutes a game for a dude that he's 300 some pounds it's absurd like it is it's wild i i also like i don't how does he even like get on a plane get in a car get you know duck yeah like i don't know how he lives i know you see that video of him like walking into a room he's like ducking yeah because he's seven foot four jesus i had to take him to the

airport a couple times when i was jay there and i was like dude i don't know what to do i was like i got i got a toyota rav4 i was like figure it out dude like three rows of seats down for you i He's a good kid though, man. Like in the other thing I tell people all the time, like most bigs that I, I know, and I played around that. All right. That I played with, they typically play basketball just by like association. Like somebody sees them walking around at school and they're like, Hey, you're tall. You should play basketball. Right. Like Zach genuinely loves it. And he works at it. Like most bigs don't work. They're kind of soft. They're kind of just naturally good at it. Cause they're taller. Zach busts his ass. Like he,

he is in the gym every day. He has his routine of jump hooks. And I mean, I go out and just do, do 50 jump hooks from, from three or four feet.. I promise you ain't going to make a whole lot of them, right? It's not an easy shot. It helps being 7'4", but, like, he's really worked at it, so it's not just like it happened overnight. That's why I got a lot of respect for him. Yeah, for sure. I do think it's kind of comical.

Like, I saw he was doing, like, a warm-up session the other day for one of the games and doing, like, you know, 10 jump hooks in a row. It is just hilarious to see it literally looks like a little type suit it's like that it's like those videos you see of like the papa shot where it's just like it's like a robot dude he's he is he's automatic with it it's insane um so yeah i mean i think that like, you know, I see what Purdue does with Eadie. And even though they're getting the ball to him in the paint a lot, still you watch all four other guys.

They're moving. They're making sure they're in the right spot. You know, again, we're not going to talk shit about what has happened recently in Michigan, but the one thing that I noticed about them was they get the ball in the paint and everyone's standing around and yeah I think that's just seems to be the difference between what Michigan like was lacking in the past you know year or two was like it didn't seem like they you know they're everyone was on the same same uh same plan or whatever it is or you know working off the ball and you know I think you as a point guard

too probably have a different appreciation of like working off the ball you know as especially as somebody that played alongside as the two guards sometimes to Trey Burke where you're definitely not the focal point of that offense I would imagine right so for sure so that's stuff like yeah I mean you got to be drilling that like all day, every day in practice. Right. Like there's typically like breakdown sessions where you're working on different actions and, you know, post splits and this or that. And I don't know, I wasn't at practices like don't know what went wrong. I'm sure Juwan was doing some stuff. You know, some of it was probably on Juwan. Some of it's probably on the players like they got to buy in and, you know, be held accountable and do their things. But yeah, just whatever was going on, you know, it just wasn't,

it wasn't adding up and coming to fruition over the last couple of years, unfortunately. Yeah, for sure. Go ahead, Tanner. Oh, I was going to, we kind of passed this, but I wanted to ask it. Justin also talks a lot, so that's great. It's great. It's great. Yeah, it works. And I It's a great podcast. Yeah, it works. And I'm just pressing your balls. Spike, I'm sure when you're going through kind of the transfer process,

and yours was a great transfer, so a little bit more similar to what the transfer portal is today, kind of having the ability to choose and not have to sit out. But when you're going through that process, I know I'm sure your number one criteria is somewhere you're comfortable, somewhere you feel like you're going to play and win. Was there any, like, weird conflicting feelings for you going to another Big Ten school, or was that something that didn't really cross your mind? Yeah, there was for sure.

There was definitely a couple Big Ten schools that just weren't – I wouldn't do, that weren't of interest. But with me being from Indiana, and Purdue didn't at the time, like the other Indiana school, so IU was one that I probably wouldn't have gone to. But Purdue didn't really feel like much of a rival. I knew Coach B and Paint liked each other. They had respect for each other. Like Purdue's a good program.

There was like no, there was no bad blood there. And for me, like the biggest thing and what I value is being close to home, being around my family, my parents, my brother my brothers sister like they love coming to games so a couple of the other schools I was looking at at the time were like Syracuse Wichita State some West Coast schools like kind of a hodgepodge like all over the place but for me I just felt most comfortable with with Purdue and paint and honestly the players like I felt like they welcomed me and we're just really good dudes um because as a fifth year I knew I was only gonna be there one year I was like I don't want to go deal with a bunch of assholes yeah like I'm 23 years old I'm

not trying to deal with this so you know I was like I want to play I want to win but I want to be around good people and that's that's how Purdue was um where I ended up I mean, yeah. I mean, I do think that, like, I don't know the ins and outs of, like, the program specifically, but I do think B-line or Michigan under B-line and Purdue under Coach Painter, probably similar styles, similar types. You know, they're not the same people, but, like, you know, both just classy guys and building it up with, you know. Yeah, integrity. the same people but like you know both just classy guys and and building it up with you know integrity thing so yeah i'm sure it was an easy transition there yeah um so i want to talk a little bit more about dusty about coach may what your thoughts are uh you know

one thing i think that you mentioned before we started recording was that he's already reached out to you right yeah yeah so which is awesome in a you know I I'll be the first to admit like I haven't watched every Florida Atlantic game so I don't know you know his his philosophy and I you know philosophy I'll just say like I really liked watching them especially when their games are nationally televised like I was like one thing I like about Dusty's teams like these guys they're fiery they play hard they're going to compete so I think we need some of that that edge but yeah the the biggest thing and I told you guys before we went on was like you know coach May had his press conference a week a week and a half ago whenever it was and two days later I mean he's got a million things going on in Ann Arbor right moving his family doing this or that.

He reached out to me, hit me up at like 8 a.m. Just to call, introduce himself, say what's up. He has some ties to my hometown in Crown Point. But just wanted to introduce himself, make sure like everybody feels welcome and a part of the program and wants to get people back. And that, to me, goes a long way. And I know a lot of the other former players think that as well. And, and that's something like I told him, I was like, man, like, did I appreciate you doing this? This is super classy. Like,

would love to to help you like get folks back. Cause that's what it's all about. Like everybody preaches brotherhood and family and this and that. And I think Purdue is amazing at it. Like not to plug Purdue, but like I've told Michigan, I was like, Hey, we need to do this. Like I've been on both sides of it. We don't do as good of a job as Purdue. Like they take care of their own. They're bringing people back all the time. Like you just feel super, super welcome. And so the fact that, that coach may did that, I was like, man, this, this dude gets it. Cause it's, it's about more than just,

you know, recruiting players and winning games. Like, you're the CEO of a program. You're the head coach. Like, there's a lot more that's into that. And I was just – I thought that was really cool of him to do that. And I know he's making his rounds to a lot of other former players too. Well, I was going to say, I think I saw you, Stauskas, Novak, more guys like all tweet.

He must have called all of you on the same day. I think you all tweeted supportive yeah which is cool but for sure yeah i think it's like you know a lot of people are probably you know from the outside perspective like yeah bring coach b's uh culture back and things like that we do want to add good culture at a time right like you know you know it's i don't think you need to just throw the whole thing out but i to your point, it's like, you know, you guys are a huge piece and pillars of this program. And you want to have all these guys in that brotherhood and supporting what's going on for the next generation of these guys. Right. I agree. And I told him I was like, Michigan's a special place like Ann Arbor's awesome.

He's going to love it. I hope he does really, really really well but like it's somewhere where people want to come back i mean it's a great university the people are awesome like those were the best four years of my life like i would love to come back for as many events or practices as as they'd be willing to have us um so i'm excited man i thought that was like a great a great first step and a really cool gesture mean, we are doing a spring game tailgate, something like that, and tailgates for the football season. So, hey, if you ever want to stop by, get some Hale IPA. Hey, Teske has been by multiple times. Oh, my God.

Can I share this story? Justin, I think you know this story because my friend busts my balls over it. So, we were at a tailgate for the 2022 season. I think it was the hawaii game so i see john teske i don't want to be weird but i'm like all right dude you're seven foot one like i know who you are but i have to ask like hey man are you john teske he's like yeah i'm like hey just want to say i was a big fan of you at michigan uh hope to see you in the league soon and two weeks later he announced his retirement and now my friend now my friend just

like brings it up every time i see him i'm'm like, dude, I just try to be cool. I try to be nice. Now he's drinking hazy IPAs with you. I mean, NBA, hazy IPA. That's a tough call. That is. But yeah, I had to plug North Peak. For sure.

No, he's a great dude. We've become friends with him. Obviously, a bunch of those guys are just all good dudes. And so, I mean, you've got to have some good Stauskas stories. What's like, I mean, because I feel like you guys clowned on each other. You still probably clown on each other. Do you have one that at least you can share that's somewhat PG-13 rated? I'm trying to think, man. I got a lot of really good ones, but I'd say most of them probably

aren't PG. I'll just tell a quick story. And I don't think he'd mind me sharing this, but like when Stowski was blowing up that sophomore year, right? Like he had an unbelievable year and, uh, you know, turn himself into a top 10 pick. You start to like the second half of the year in college basketball, when guys are getting drafted, right? Like, okay, he's probably not going to finish school now. Like, right. Like that mind, that mindset starts to shift. And Stowski would be the first to tell you, like, he, he wasn't the biggest school guy. Like he didn't, he didn't, he didn't love school. Right. Like he knew he's gonna be playing in the league and I just uh I just remember like we were in a a bunch of the same classes and um I was like well I gotta go to these classes still because I'm like I need to be eligible and I need to graduate because I'm not

gonna be playing you know with you um but this this professor like nick you know had kind of shifted and started like transitioning into like nba and doing workouts and training it was towards the end of the year and the professor like kept hitting him up bugging and bugging and bugging like hey i need you to do this assignment do this time and do that and and i just remember nick like sent him like the most like the nicest like hilarious email ever and just basically said like hey man like i appreciate you reaching out he goes but like this is literally like the absolute least of my priorities right now and i just like i can't remember how he phrased it he probably still has it was funny as hell because it was like all written out but i was like dude you can't you

can't send that i was like this, this is the University of Michigan. And I remember him sending it, and I just looked at him, and I was like, fuck it. I was like, you probably can. But, yeah, and Nick's smart. I mean, Nick's a smart dude. Like, we still talk all the time, and he's a sharp guy. It's just, I mean, when you're 19, 20 years old,

and you're getting ready for the NBA draft, I just remember it's just i mean when you're 19 20 years old and you're getting ready for the nba draft i just remember it was just like that professor had to see this and just be like i don't even know what to say to this like i don't know like at the same time like you know like context is important right like you go to college to be able to start your career and sometimes when you're an athlete and you have the ability to turn professional that that's what you're there to do. So I kind of see both sides of it. Have you ever seen anyone with a prettier shot than Nick Stauskas? Because I don't know, I mean, even still like that.

I would just watch his like when I was getting hyped for this recruiting class you were part of, I remember seeing his YouTube videos. I'm like, this dude is nasty, like just in the backyard, just dribbling around some chairs. But like it translated obviously. And, you know, I mean, his sophomore season was unbelievable. But like, have you seen anybody with that, that level of shot consistency? No, I mean, no, we, we had like this drill called 50 and five at, at Michigan.

It's like coach Beeline's infamous drill, right? It's like one ball, one rebounder, 50 makes in five minutes, all threes. Right. And it's just rapid fire and like the record at the time you know it was like I don't know 62 65 right so then it became 60 and five and I'm like shit I was like this is gonna be hard for me I'm like I'm not like a sniper like that so I'm like really working to try to get to 60 but Nick got like every time he's getting you know like 71 73 75 and i'm just like dude you're ruining this for all of us like coach he's gonna think we can all do this

and it's like if you don't get it you're running and stuff so i was like gosh darn it but just just watching him shoot it was it was uh i was like yeah this dude's gonna be playing at the next level for sure did you uh did you ever give him shit about like recording youtube videos in his front yard or whatever dude we didn't give, did you ever give him shit about like recording YouTube videos in his front yard or whatever? We didn't give him, we didn't give him a hard time. Cause Nick's just kind of like,

he's, he's different, man. She's a quirky dude, but like he actually got the nickname tube from coach Val, Laval George started calling him tube, dude. And it kind of stuck.

It was, it was, I mean, you can't really hate on it much. Cause it probably got him the scholarship to Michigan. Like that was how we got found. So yeah. Like the dude shooting in his backyard in the snow, Mississippi, Canada. So well, I'll leave you with this.

So my wife played softball in Michigan while you were there as well. And I remember her, one of her roommates, to be unnamed, had the biggest crush on you at the time. There was one time when I remember we were like, I was at Skeeps. I think you and a bunch of the boys. I was definitely there. I'm sure. You and Mitch and a bunch of those dudes in Stauskas were there,

I mean, probably literally every weekend. Yeah. You know, not to throw you under the bus there. Yeah. But, hey, dude, we were winning. Yeah, exactly. So as long as you're winning, you can go. You can do that when you're winning.

But I remember texting her, like, yo, Spike's here. And I think she, like, came came running i don't even remember what happened but oh god well i hope i was i was nice i hope it wasn't a dickhead so i think you were you were chill okay cool but well last question that i've got since we've got the final four this weekend who do you got winning uh men's and women's tournament yeah so i mean i'm kind of biased but i'll say in the men's tournament i i've got purdue and yukon playing each other like in my actual bracket and who i truly think is going to be playing each other i think yukon's really good uh no but i'm i'm gonna go with purdue i'm i'm'm going to bet on Purdue, so I don't know.

I hope I'm not throwing my money away. And then for the women's, dude, I don't know. I want to see Kaitlin Clark. I don't know if you guys are – I watched that game last night, man. That was incredible. Listen, I know we're almost at an hour here, so I want to be mindful of your time.

But, like, my biggest thing, I actually tweeted it out today from our account, to all the dudes that think that they could take Kaitlin Clark one-on-one, no, you can't. No, not just like an average Joe. I'm sure probably somebody like you. Maybe like eight years ago, dude. I don't know. I'm pretty horrible today no i mean and this is like i mean this in the best way possible because i have a younger sister

too so like she hooped um caitlin clark plays like a dude yeah and that's like that is like the best compliment you can give in in women's basketball like just i mean watch you watch the game versus lsu like dude she just moves differently than everybody else. Like, she's doing shit behind the back. Maybe with, like, Juju and Paige do the same thing, dude. Right? And it's like that's no disrespect, and I hope that doesn't offend anyone. But, like, you can just see it.

And there's a reason she's out there dropping 40 balls. I'm like, this girl's cold. I mean, she just – she pulls up. She hits a three. She goes behind the back, gets through to the lane. Like, she had a behind the back that looked like Mo Wagner against MSU, just like cleared the defender, laid it in. She had some crazy – her spatial awareness on the court.

When she decides she's going to be a playmaker, I mean, what, she had 40 and 10 and 7? Just ridiculous. So I'll be rooting for Iowa. Iowa, similar to Purdue because I never had any beef with Purdue. They're just there. On the cornfields. Iowa City's great.

By the way, I love the Mo Wagner. Mo Weezy plug, dude. Shout out Mo Weezy. That's awesome. He's a real legend. And the Concord 11s, no less, too. Just out there balling and some retro Jordans just putting 30 on their head. Yes.

Yeah. And he's still balling. Still balling. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, those dudes, between him and Stauskas, I think we're a very anti-Sparty podcast here. And they just dominated Sparty.

So it was fun. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Both of them. For sure. There's, yeah. Yeah, both of them for sure. There's just a run of – sorry for lack of a better term. There's a run of like lanky white dudes just giving Sparty the business. Yeah. From Zach Novak and Sue Douglas. I mean, all the way – yeah, I mean, just –

Beeline left his impression on Sparty, I will say, with all the guys that he brought in, man, and even Franz. Obviously, Franz didn't play for Coach Beeline left his impression on Sparty, I will say, with all the guys that he brought in, man, and even Franz. Obviously, Franz didn't play for Coach Beeline, but related to that part of the program, that era in the program. Hey, we don't get Franz, though, without Coach B and without – Yeah, 100%. For sure. All right, last thing for real.

All right, you played with – we talked about it, seven NBA dudes, all these good dudes you got to take one who's who's the best hooper that you you played with at michigan oh dude it's not yeah that's not even a question it's trey so i'll tell i'll tell that to all the other guys too everybody knows that um i'm not saying he you know he didn't go on to have the best career or whatever but like dude trey burke was a different animal in college. Even in the NBA, man. Like, when he was with the Mavericks, like, he was putting up – there was times he was putting up 30 a night.

Like, he had some success. No, Trey's great. It's just the NBA, I mean, it's tough for being a small guard. And he was more, you know, offensive-oriented. Like, now, if you're a small guard, like, you got to be a dog on defense. Whereas, like, I feel like Trey – I mean, he could defend, but he was more of an offensive guy. But, dude, college that dude wasn't he was he was sick man i mean unanimous national player of the year right his jersey should be hanging by the way in the 100 it should be it

should be retired there's requirements you have to get to graduate fuck that requirement that's the same reason i'm gonna email ward Fuck that. What are we talking about? That's got to be your next phone call to Duffy. Decline, for sure. Real last thing, though, the first game when Trey Burke played at Michigan, I was like, yo, this dude is not number 100 player in the country. This dude is for real. You could immediately see it when he stepped onto the court at Michigan.

So that's one of my favorite players, too. We just said real last thing like seven times. I'm done. We're going to let you go from here. But I appreciate you coming on the pod, man. This is awesome. I feel like you might be our competition, though, soon. If you and Stauskas get on the mic. You never know.

I don't know. We're both busy, dude. Well, I am. I don't know about him. He's, like, retired. Yeah. But, no, this was great. I enjoyed it, man.'re both busy, dude. Well, I am. I don't know about him. He's, like, retired. Yeah. But, no, this was great. I enjoyed it, man.

I appreciate you guys having me. This was fun. Yeah. Is there anything that you got to plug? Anything out there? No. No, no, no. No, man.

I'm good, dude. Next time I'm in Ann Arbor, we'll have to get together, man, for sure. Absolutely. We'll link up. Absolutely. Appreciate you guys having me on, and go blue, dude. There you go. Well, for us, you can follow us at Blue by 90 on Twitter, Instagram, Facebook,

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