Blue By Ninety - Minnesota Beats Michigan I All-Time Michigan Football Draft I Stadium & Main

Episode Date: October 7, 2026

Strack and Worm react to Michigan's loss to Minnesota, what happens moving forward, and draft their all-time Michigan Football team

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a stadium in Maine pod. I know Worm, you and I were out playing golf yesterday. And had some people that had listened to the podcast, which we appreciate, come up and wanted to chat about it. And I mean, even if people don't really want to talk about Michigan football right now, they always want to talk about Michigan football, even when things. things are rough and things are about as rough as they get right now.

But yeah, it was good to get out in Slovenia with you and hang out and go, go hit a little white ball around for a little while. That was fun. Yeah, perfect weather. Got to see our boy Derek from Frames. He came out first. That was awesome. Yeah.

And, yeah, took my mind off of Michigan ball for a few hours. It was good. We have a whole bunch to get to coming up on the show tonight. We are going to later in the show, we are going to do an all. time Michigan football draft, a snake draft fantasy style, which I think is going to be a lot of fun. And I'm sure there will be points where worms are going to tell me I'm an idiot. And I can't wait for that. That should be fun.

So we will have all of that coming up in just a little bit. But first, let's get to the, obviously what is, you know, the biggest topic I think that everybody is talking about right now. It's the thing with Zach Marshall. And I am not going to crush this kid on this. I'm just, I'm not. I think everybody has seen what was said. The leaked messages that came out, he put an apology out. If I can say anything about it, I will say this.

Players have been talking and bashing their coaches behind their back since the beginning of sports. And that goes for every single sport. at every single level since the beginning of time. You get pissed at a coach, you go tell your friends how frustrated you are. We've all done it. And unfortunately for Zach Marshall, whoever he was talking to, leaked these messages. And now he's had to put out a fire that it sucks.

And I feel bad for the kid because you and I, we got to talk with Zach Marshall at your softball game this summer. He's a really good kid. I mean, a really good kid. And I hope that people will give him a break on this. this thing. And I hope that this isn't going to haunt him forever. So yeah, it's just a tough thing. But you've been in a lot of locker rooms warm. How easy is it to get caught up in some of the frustrations when you're losing and things like that? Listen, my, my, my favorite coach of all

time is Greg Madison. And there were times where I said things about him that I would never want him to hear. And it was usually to just, you know, other defensive linemen or guys on the defensive the side of the ball when it comes to Michigan. So I understand the frustration, you know, there's definitely some truth to that, you know. The tight ends not getting as much love as Michigan's tight ends have gotten over the last, you know, 15, 20 years of, you know, really, Michigan's always had great tight ends. And for them to not be used in the way that we thought they were going to be used this year is frustrating.

Zach not being featured as we thought he was going to be this year is not only frustrating to people watching the game, but to him personally. You know, he's looking to probably make the NFL, and I know he's probably getting paid a good amount of NILs, so he wants to seem like he's actually, that money is actually, you know, worth being spent on him. And especially when Michigan's offense is struggling, it's like, okay, why aren't we turning to these tight ends

in a receiving capacity? But when I was in Pittsburgh, there was a guy, or not a guy, Mike Tomlin, he always would start every season. and talking about seeking comfort in ways to not seek comfort. And one of the main components of that is sport bitching. I don't even know if I can say that on YouTube or not or whatever, maybe bleep it out. But what that essentially is is complaining to people or voicing your problems to people who can't solve your problems.

Right. So I'm going to my wife talking about, you know, coach Madison's not, you know, put me in enough. or I got traded for, you know, I got traded for, you know, a fifth round pick when I thought I'd be a fourth round pick. Whatever, whatever the scenario is, when you're complaining to somebody who can't help you solve your problems, that's just complaining in your sport bitch and you're doing that. So, you know, obviously Zach has some frustrations. The whole team should feel frustrated, but who are you going to to voice those problems?

Are you going to your teammates, you're going to your captains, you're going to your position coach? Are you going to the offensive coordinator who you're obviously having some issues with? What does that look like? And then the other thing, too, is like, man, you've got to find better friends, you know. If I'm in a group chat saying those very controversial, personal, or things that you know could get yourself in trouble, then you've got to trust those guys with your life. And if you can't, whoever's in that group chat, you have to have the control and the ability to not say those type of things in an environment that there's a chance of being leaked. I feel for Zach.

He's a great kid, like you said. I know he's taking accountability for it, and I like to see that. I like to see the apology. But I'm interested to see how Beck responds to it. I'm interested to see how the tight ends and Zach respond to it because there's still a lot of season left, and they have to be able to come together in a way to try and write this shit. Because what we saw on Saturday was, I don't even know what to call it.

inexcusable, unacceptable, deplorable. It was a tough outing for the Wolverines. Yeah, I think you sums it up perfectly well. I think the biggest concern to me is the stuff that allegedly that Jason Beck had said that tight ends are useless in the system or whatever, that to me is probably the most damning part of the entire thing. If Jason Beck is going to one of his position groups and saying something like that, and listen, I'm sure there's some half truths or full truths in that. I don't know we weren't there or whatever. Tight ends at Michigan have been used forever and they need to be a major part of what they do. That is part of playing in the Big Ten.

That is, that's part of the style of football. You have to have success with these guys and you can see where there can be success there. That to me was the most concerning part was if, you know, I don't care if a guy wants to go like, you know, chop it up with his friends and say that something. or they're unhappy or something. But if there's actually that kind of disconnect already, I mean, these guys haven't been there that long. And if there's that big of a disconnect already,

that is the concern to me that the locker room is already lost. And there's, because when that starts happening and a locker room gets fractured like that, it is really damn hard to get it back. When you start veering off that track, it is really hard to get it back going to go in the right way. Yeah, I mean, especially if you're talking about a whole entire, I know it's just either one or two guys on the field at a time in terms of tight ends. But if you're, if what, if it was said was true, how are you as a tight end, like motivated to go and play for somebody like that, you know? Yeah.

And I hope it's not true. I hope that, or that version that was put out wasn't totally true. Because though that tight end group can, can, you know, be of service to the team, you know, within the receiving. and the blocking and just being able to have a third option for Bryce. You know, obviously having JJ and Marsh is huge, but having that third option is super valuable. But another thing too, like good coaches have good schemes and have good systems and good plays.

Great coaches are able to adapt to the players that they have. And until you're able to recruit the type of players that you're looking for within a, you know, let's call Jason Beck's system, you have to be able to navigate the players that you have. I mean, we can even talk about the primitive run games. It's not working. It hasn't worked for five weeks. And for the last however long, forever, Michigan's been a downhill running team.

We saw, you know, the Rich Rod trying, offense, try and recreate, Rich Rod's defense try and recreate things back in the early 2000s. And it just didn't work out. And it hit Michigan for a long time. I was kind of the aftermath of that with Brady Hoke and him trying to get the guys back in. But if you're a great coach with a great scheme and you understand, the game of football on a different level than just being able to have X's and O's and having the perfect guys for your system, it's going to be tough to get people to buy in.

It's going to be tough for you to be able to excel at an offense that just isn't built for what Michigan is. Yeah. The other thing, and I'll get back to that in just a second, the other thing is there was the one message that said, basically, our offense sucks because if you blitz us, we have no answers. We have an extra offensive linemen on the field. every play and run different versions

of power read every play. Also, Beck is telling Bryce where to go on every play. That to me is super concerning. And I, it's not like it's, I mean, the headsets turn off at a certain point. It's not like, I don't want people to misconstrue this, because I think I've seen people on Twitter

already like saying, like, is he in his head? Like, no, like the headsets turn off at a certain point. Like, it's like Ratatoo. You're watching Ratatouille? I have not. I kind of know. I know it is but like yes. Okay, never mind.

No, it's, it's about this, you know, this, I think he's French or Italian, Italian chef and he can't figure it out. And then this rat is like this savant chef and he is on top of his head under his

chef hat and he's pulled on his hair to. Anyways. Now that, I'm sorry. Listen, that was that was that one. You know, if that could work like sick,

let's figure out how to do it. I think that's what, isn't that what Connor Stallions was doing? No, I'm kidding. I'm not, we're not, we're not going there. I love Connor.

Kind of. So here's here's my thing. If he's saying in his headset, like when he's calling a play and saying this is this is going to be open, like look JJ first. Like Mars should be open here. Look that way first. That to me is not that big of a deal. I think that it's probably getting blown up a little bit.

Like obviously there's going to be like a first read that you want him to look at. Bryce has to have the ability though to like look at that. and say, all right, if J.J. B. Buchanan is covered, I need to hit Andrew Marsh, which we saw in the game this past Saturday. J.J.B. Canaan on the sideline is completely covered. Andrew Marsh is wide open for a touchdown had beat the safety. That is the issue. Bryce can't be strapped and told, hey, if that's not open, you're like, his head, I think is filled with too many things right now. And like, he just needs to go play. And that, that's a, that's not good if that's the case. Well, that's what we saw two weeks ago against Iowa. He was able to multiple reads.

Yeah. The layered passes, getting out on a, you know, a couple, few rollouts, accurate with his passes. And then this week, it was the total opposite. The total opposite. I mean, there was that sequence where it was the muff punt interception, interception. And I'm like, what, what is it? Like, what are, what am I watching? It felt like the twilight zone. It's not even, yeah. It's not even football. And it's, it's frustrating because it's like a roller coaster up and down good and bad good and bad one week it looks really good and promising you know they're climbing up the top and then all of a sudden they're just crashing down like it's the top fill dracks are in cedar point so the consistency is an issue keep talking about the dang penalties obviously the turnovers are are a huge issue but i don't know they have the buy week and the by week is always a great time to to figure some things out do some self-scouting, figure out what's working, what's not working.

And I hope when they come back in a week and a half against Penn State that this looks like a totally different offense because the defense is playing at a top 10 defense of level in college football. But when they're left out there for a majority of the game, it's just not, it doesn't help. You know, they're getting turnovers. They're getting pick sixes this past week and they're helping the offense as much as possible, but the offense has to help this defense too. Well, it can't get any worse.

I mean, legitimately, that was, it was a top five worst offensive performance in Michigan football history by the numbers. It felt like when you were watching it, it was one of the worst performances you've ever watched. And it was, the statistics back that up. I mean, it was a horrendous, horrendous football game. I'll go through the drive charts first. When I looked at that at this after the game,

and I put this graphic out on Twitter, I mean, you look at it. Five plays, nine plays, three plays, three plays, two plays, one play, nine plays, nine plays, four plays, eight plays. Even the eight play drive that was a minute 13 and is a turnover and you're only gaining 37 yards. I mean, there were drives of negative two yards, negative three yards, five yards, zero yards, and two yards.

It was, I mean, it was as bad of an offensive football game as you can play at the Division I level. I mean, it was in every way, it was a disaster. So that leads me to this. If you had to put your list together of where are the problems coming from, okay? So let's do one, two, three. If you had to put the blame on somebody right now, because that's what we do on podcast.

We have to find somebody to blame for our problems. I personally, I'll go first and then I'll let you go. Number one, it's Kyle Whittingham because he's the guy at the top. He's the one making the most money. He was brought in to make sure that this thing isn't a disaster anymore. He was brought in to be the guy who was the adult in the room, the guy that studies the ship, the one that makes sure that we're not dealing with the crap that we're dealing with

in the off on this off week. Like this, he was the guy that was supposed to come in so, so that all of it was just normal again. You know, you could just talk about football. Stability. Yes. No nonsense. And so the buck has to ultimately stop with him.

And I think he would say the same thing. How wouldingham would be one. Number two, it's Jason Beck. I think what we have seen is a guy who is searching for answers. And right now he feels in over his head. I think for the first time in his head, his career, he doesn't have answers and he doesn't know how to get himself out of this thing. And it felt like the game really sped up for him this past Saturday.

And when it was going bad, he had no way to get him out of it. You know, when Michigan has had struggles in the past, you knew that they could come back and lean on that running game and kind of get yourself through some issues. They don't have any answers. You can't run the football. You can't throw the football. you're getting nothing easy in any way. That's number two.

And number three, it's got to be Bryce Underwood. I, listen, I want Bryce Underwood to succeed as much as anybody does. Right now, he's making a lot of money and he's playing the toughest position in all the sports. And he's got as much pressure on him as anybody. And right now, it's just simply not good enough. And I think Bryce would say that. I think everybody understands that. it's got to get better.

And so if I was going one, two, three, it would be Wittingham, Beck, Underwood. Where would you lay things right now for one, two, and three? I think I'm going to lump all the offensive coaches and coach Wittingham at number one, just the coaching staff in general on the offensive side of the ball. When you look at obviously the struggles that the offense is having with Jason Beck calling the plays, you look at the offensive line, which we talked about at the beginning of the year, was supposed to be a Joe Moore, Joe Moore Award finalist, semi-finalists, whatever you want to call it.

They have not looked good. I know they have some injuries and they've kind of switched around, but when you put the tape on, especially this last week, there's so many guys that are just standing in holes on the defensive side of the ball, like defenders, just in the gaps. And it's like, where's the communication at in terms of from the play call, from Jason Beck to the play call, from Bryce giving out to the offensive line, being able to make their calls and their reads.

Where is that? There was a lot of, you know, Bryce got sacked really quickly. It wasn't like he was like hanging around the pocket a lot. Like it kind of happened pretty fast. Offensive line looked confused and some of the things that Minnesota was doing. So I'm going to put the coaches in number one.

I'm going to put Bryce Underwood at number two just because, like you said, he's the quarterback. This is his team. He's the captain. He knows he has to play better. He has not. and then three, I'm going to go the offensive line. It all stems from the coaching staff, I think,

in terms of being able to get the messaging out, being able to put your players in the best position possible to succeed. It might not be your system. It might not be your perimeter run system, and it might not be what you're looking for. But if you have to be able to put your players in the best position, but then also the players have to take some accountability as well. So I'll go coaching staff on the offensive side of the ball,

including the head coach, Kyle Winningham, Bryce, and then the offensive line. Yeah, that's fair. I think all those are very fair. All right. So if we're going to talk about Bryce Underwood, where do you think the issues are? What do you think is wrong right now?

I mean, is it too much in his head? Is it they're putting too much on him? Is it the pressure? I will say this. Yes, he's having issues reading defenses. Yes, he's having trouble seeing the field. I don't think you can possibly. possibly watch the film and not say that he's having issues.

Like you saw the final play of the game that he throws into the sideline. Hogan Hanson on the delay, the release, he's wide open over the middle of the field. Like that's a point where you've got to take that first down and move on. Like you have to take that and keep going. The Andrew Marsh missed touchdown. And there's there's so many examples that over the course of the game. And I understand like it's hard to read and see live and all those things. but even when he does find the right guy

Andrew Marsh wide open drops a ball um Andrew March drops a punt like even when things do go well you force a stop and then you give him the ball right back you have a chance on to move the sticks drop a ball um

it's this is not just on Bryce like no not at all not at all I know we want We want to, you know, everybody wants to throw it on him because he's the guy making the money and he's the, you know, whatever. This is not all on him. There are issues. Where in your mind can Bryce still improve or what are you seeing from him that needs to get better? I mean, there's a lot that needs to get better. I think decision making is number one.

Processing the field is another is another big issue. but when I look at how Michigan has succeeded over the years, especially, you know, 21, 22, 23, even when JJ was playing well, it was that run game that was dominating, you know, 20-some straight runs against Penn State, you know, a few years ago, Sharon crying after the game, you know,

like those are the things. But when the running game has struggled so as much as it has, it almost feels like Bryce is trying to do too much, trying to be the hero, trying to be Superman, trying to force things, just because everything else isn't going well, especially I guess I'm talking about the run game. Michigan has always relied on the run. Michigan has always been that team that can rush for 150 plus yards a game.

And right now, it just, and we talked about it before, but like it just seems so hard. It just seems like a struggle to get things going, even when they make a player too, it just seems like so, so strenuous, so hard. And you look at some of these other teams in the country that are just, it just looks like so it just looks automatic it looks so easy and fluid and effortless and I I want that so badly for this offense because the defense is playing at a high level and if

this offense can come up to speed it's like I don't know Michigan Michigan can be a really good team especially that's another frustrating thing too is the talent that's on this field is is up there with a lot of a lot of these top 10 programs and for it to not be this easy or for them to be three and two and losing to Minnesota and PJ Fleck like come on man that that is frustrating that is so frustrating to see because you just shouldn't lose to teams like that you know and I've I've been in that position where I've lost the teams that I shouldn't have lost to shout out to the Cleveland Browns for beating the Pittsburgh zero's in 21 in the playoff game like there's there's been plenty of times

or the team that I've been on, we should not have lost to a team. And we have. So I know the feeling. But man, it's not even 20. I think it was 2020. It was the COVID year. We lost to the Browns. It was January of 21, though.

But yeah, I mean, there's a lot of things. And that's why I think obviously you want to go into a byweek with a win. But to have the buy week right now, I think, is a really good time for this team who's struggling so much because they can just focus on themselves, take some, take some, a hard look at themselves in the mirror, figure out what's going on, especially in the offensive side of the ball, and try and fix it before.

Really, the hardest part of your schedule is coming up. Like, this was supposed to be the easiest part of the first five weeks. You know, the buildup for the next seven weeks that are just banger, banger,

banger, banger, banger, banger, I mean, Rutgers, you know, Ruckers UCLA, but UCLA looks good. You know,

Penn State struggle a little bit, but, you know, Indiana, Oregon, Oregon. Yeah. Where these wins are going to come from,

you know? Yeah, yeah. I mean, you start looking at like, yikes. I want to give a shout out to, uh, uh, do on Twitter. He's the guy that does the, um, low hanging fruit, um, and watches the,

does the film review every Sunday for this note. Um, Michigan has had 12 runs of 10 plus yards this year. They've had 33 times where they've run for one or less. That's 12 runs of, 10 plus and 33 times they have been stopped for one or less yards on a play. First of all, Michigan would have 12 runs of 10 or plus more yards in a single game. You know? Yes.

Like they would do that in a single game. But the thing that is crazy is the 33, 33 yards and 13, 33 plays. Yeah, yeah. That tells me it's so hard as a defensive linemen to have a attack. or have the offensive line and shed it and tackle for less than or one yard or less. So what that's telling me is there's so many free runners, whether that's blitzers from the linebackers, that's guys miscommunicating on stunt moves from the defensive line.

That to me is the most concerning thing because that just that shows me right there, that there's free runners or there's just defensive linemen that are unblocked. And it's like, okay, somebody has to block them. And when you make, I don't know how complicated this run game is, but in terms of the blocking schemes and all that. But when you got a lot of moving parts and people, you know, in different positions and moving around, it gets confusing. But man, that that's the, that's the most concerning part right there.

33 plays of one yard or less. Yeah. I will share this and it goes along with this. It was a text I got from a college coach who has spent time in the Big Ten. This is what he texted me. He said, you obviously watch a lot more UM than me. I get it's a philosophical approach, but I don't understand why they run.

so horizontal when counter and gap scheme has been how they mauled people the last few years. And to me, it's what we've all been watching. And like, this guy just happened to turn on a Michigan game while they were, you know, while he had some time on Saturday. It was like, dude, what's going on? Like, why are they, why are they running the football like this? It's a, it's an issue that I think we have all kind of identified pretty quickly when we're seeing it.

the scheme or the players you have right now don't fit the scheme at Utah when they had big athletic offensive linemen who could get out and move like whatever Michigan recruited a bunch of guys for a downhill scheme where they just go mall people and right now they're not using that to their advantage and they're trying to and as Kyle Whiton here's here's the other part Kyle Whittingham literally acknowledge this exact same point on the coaches show yesterday. He admits it. He knows it. He sees it.

And like they just haven't gone to fix it. And that's the part that I can't like wrap my brain around. It's like, okay, you see this too? Why is it not getting fixed? And they said there's going to be more downhill run in the coming weeks. So that to me is that that's a frustrating one, man. That's frustrating. Yeah.

I mean, even Jason Beck's. said it in his presser before the Iowa game. Yes. Yes. They knew it. He's like we, like, if we can't figure it out, we have to scrap it. It's like, okay, how many more times? Like, how many more, how many more games do you have to see or film do you have to see or plays, do you have to see of one yard or less that just, it's just not working, you know? Yeah. Yeah.

It's, I'm not a football coach. I'm not, definitely dames are not an offensive coach, but I, I have eyes. I can see things. You played a decade in the league. You're smart. I know, if I know, they, they Damestr know that, hey, this isn't working. We have guys, Jordan Marshall, downhill, big offensive lineman, pulling, kicking guys out, running, running off their butts downhill, Savion-Hider, making a cut in the backfield and just hitting it. Those are the type of plays that Michigan has thrived off of for so long.

And when I'm watching, I'm like, oh, it's just frustrating. And I can only imagine how these players feel. Obviously, the players take some blame as well, but when the scheme doesn't match the the players you have, the scheme has to adjust. Yes, absolutely. Okay. So a couple more things and then we're going to get to our Michigan all-time history draft here, which I'm excited for.

I think it'll be good. Kyle Whittingham's clock management has been a problem. And this wasn't a one-time thing. Worse than Sharon's? Honestly, like, yes. Like against Minnesota, it was egregious. And so Stalions put this out, but I had said something during the game live as it was happening. I'm like, why did he not call time out before the two minute warning?

That was like, if my dumb ass sitting on the couch can see it live happening, I promise you, Kyle Whittingham should have noticed it too. So here's what happened. At the end of the game, Minnesota was stopped with 231 on the clock and Michigan at all three timeouts. Kyle Whittingham let that tick all the way down to the two-minute warning. The problem with doing that is that when it gets all the way down to the two-minute warning, you've burned 30 seconds. They then snapped it, punted it, and by the time that the ball had stopped rolling, it was down to 1.45. I think it was, yeah, 1-45 when the clock stopped. You gave

them 45 seconds off of the game clock, and that time is where. way more valuable than that one timeout when you had all three of them. You could have called a timeout at 231. You would have gotten the ball back at 21. And then you would have been able to use your time. You would have gotten your timeout back at the two minute warning, basically. And then the two minutes timeout. And then you would have still had two timeouts.

So the clock management to me is a major issue. You need every second you can get with this offense right now. because every i mean everything is hard to come by and the other thing was is like okay you've saved your timeouts it gets down to fourth down you need your best play call a time out and talk about it i mean if if at that time you saved them because they had saved those two timeouts and it was useless yeah those don't come back with you got a call time out there yes yeah like on fourth down at least get everybody together and say, hey, here's what we're looking at, figure it out. Because they need all the help they can get right now.

They need the coaching. They need the help. And Kyle Whittingham was that not there to give it to him. And that was frustrating. Yeah, I don't know what the rules are in terms of college ball. But like when I was playing in Baltimore, there was a guy that was basically Harbaugh's, he was like an analytic guy. So he wasn't even a coach. And his whole thing was to like, especially during game day, was to tell Harbaugh in his ear like, hey,

call time out here. This is what it looks like I'm fourth down. Either go for it or not, pun it, field goal, whatever. Yes. So like it takes the, it takes the mental load off of the coach. But you got to,

that's an easy one. The two minute, the time up before the two minute time out is, that's an easy one. But if I don't know what that looks like in college, if you're allowed to have that type of person that's in, in the coach's ear saying, hey, take the time out here.

He has a, you know, a whole chart of analytics and percentages and all that. I don't know what that looks like in college, but man, yeah, when you, just even sitting on the couch take the timeout where's the timeout two timeouts are in your back pocket at the can't what are you can do with them when you're sitting at home nothing you can't do anything with that so yeah that is frustrating i promise you if my i'm i'm not real smart but i noticed it live and said something live i'm like all right if i if i'm figuring this out um all right the last thing right now um before we get to some happier stuff that'll maybe be more fun um

everybody right now when things are going bad everybody's got this plan everybody's got this magic you know dust they're going to go sprinkle on this thing and fix it right like everybody's got an opinion on twitter everybody's got um you know everybody's allowed everybody is saying oh yeah this is what you have to do to fix it this is going to make everything better navigating a by week right now i think there's good and bad of it being a by week the good part is that listen they have some time to go try to figure some things out and hopefully the scheme and the plan is better against Penn State in a week. The bad part of this though is that it's a lot of time for everybody to stew and everybody to be mad and everybody to be a lot. So you really have to navigate this by week and it can,

I mean, it can get bad quick if you're not careful with it. What's your thought on on the weighing the good and the bad of having all of this time and then listening to everybody and, you know, staying off social media and all those things. Yeah, I mean, number one, stay off social media, stay, you know, be with your teammates as much as possible. When you do get those, you know, you get the weekend off, take the time to either hunker down and just ride it out for the next eight weeks because, man, there's a, you only get so many games in your college career,

especially if you're one of those guys that are looking to leave and go to the NFL. So like, I get you want to maybe take a trip somewhere. I remember me and Mo Hurst, our senior, we went to Boston, back to his hometown and had a fun weekend. But we were a top five team in the country at that time. And we were rolling pretty good. I'd stay in my house. I would, I'd sulk, I'd be pissed.

I'd use that towards the next seven weeks of ball. And try and be the best player I can be because you only get a certain amount of time. There's plenty of time to have fun in the offseason once football is done. But you got to have, you got to use this week to get better. You don't want to compound the issues that are already there. You know, you don't want to be in the news. You don't want to be in trouble. You don't want to be, you know, we had a lot of guys, especially in the NFL, like, you know, you go all, you go somewhere for the by week.

You get a DUI or you do something stupid like that, you know. And it just, it can, like I said, you don't want to compound the issues that are already there that are on the field with things off the field. So I'd hunker down, man. I wouldn't do anything. And I would just, I'd be miserable. I would just be a miserable person for a week. That's all right. Yeah, absolutely.

You get it all figured out here. You get another shot at this thing coming up in a week. All right. We're going to take a quick break. When we come back, Worm and I are going to do fantasy draft style. We're going to pick our all-time Michigan team, see who comes out better in this thing. I already have an idea, I think, of where you're going.

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Welcome back in. Okay, Worm. So I don't know who's going to pick first here. We'll go over the ground rules. So basically we have to pick a quarterback, a running back, a wide receiver, a tight end, an offensive lineman, a defensive player, and a coach. Okay. And you can pick these in any order you want, but it'll be a snake trap.

Yeah. So, yeah, we don't have to pick them right away. It can be any order you want. So you take who are, you know, your first overall pick can be whoever you want in any time from Michigan football. I have the Google coin flip you want to pick you want to heads or tails

we'll decide who goes first tails never failed maybe give it to me All right flip again Here we go Tails it is there you go let's go All right so you'll get the first overall pick And then I'll get the second and third You go ahead

And second and third Well yeah that's a snake draft It's like fantasy and you'll get the fourth and fifth I've never done fantasy you know it's just Then you'll get the fourth and fifth pick. Does that make sense? So one, two, three. All right.

Let's see. Okay. Yeah. With my first pick, I am going Charles Woodson. Damn, that's where I was going. Good. I had a feeling. That's where you would go.

Because on defense I had, it was either going to be Gibreel or Charles. And my thing, my thought process was just the versatility. Yeah. Okay. Just the versatility. offense, defense, the special team aspect, they were both phenomenal at. Give me Charles. Okay.

Well, I can tell you this. That means that I'm now going to save my defensive player until the very end. And I'm telling you right now, I will guarantee you, I could give you 10 guesses at who you think I'm picking and you wouldn't get it. So I'll save that. Yeah, I'll save that to the end. I probably start something here in my notes app so we can keep track of who we are picking here. All right. So Worm went with,

uh, which is, oh, what's one. Yeah. Dusson. Okay. Uh,

my first pick, um, huh, this is really good television here. We're going to have to edit this a little bit. No, it'll be fine. All right.

I'm going to go, my first pick, I'm going to wide receiver. And I'm going to take Braylon Edwards. I mean, he's number one in yards, receiving yards, um,

all time Michigan history, number two in touchdowns. it was the consistency with which he did it. I mean, he had three straight 1,000-yard seasons. To me, he was the best wide receiver in Michigan history by a long stretch. And so I'll go brailing. And then my next pick, all right. I'm going Blake Quorum as my running back.

And here's why. This is the same thing last year. We did the, you know, we did the build your roster. No, no, no, there's a difference between a Mount Rushmore and this. Mount Rush, this is if you need to win a game, this is who you're taking, right? So, okay, here you go. Most rushing touchdowns in Michigan history, Big Ten and National Champion, top five rushing.

He had significantly less carries than the top four guys. If you go look at it, like he had significantly less carries and had, and he's still top five all-time rushing. he was going to win the Heisman trophy his junior year until he got hurt in 22 for sure. So I'll go, I'll go Blake Quorum as my running back. So yeah, you're up. You get the next two picks. Dang, you don't even, you're not even taking a quarterback.

Like, that's, I know, I know your quarterback is and he's not going to be my quarterback. So it's, you can save him to the end, too, I guess. But sheesh. Let me go. Since I don't need a quarterback right now, because I know who you're taking, who you're taking. I'm going to go Steve Hutchinson offensive line. Ah, ha, ha, all right.

Steve Hutchinson offensive line. Yep. And Jim Harbaugh as the coach. Steve Hutchinson, all big ten, four straight years, first team all-American, college, college Hall of Fame, obviously, gold jacket hall of fame in the NFL, just an absolute mauler. Jim Harbaugh wins. wherever he goes, has success except for this year, again, with the Chargers. But what he did for Michigan in my career, those two years I was with him, and to bring Michigan back to dominance, man, I got to take Jim as the coach.

But yeah, Steve and Jim are my next two picks. Okay. I like it. I like it. Just getting caught up here. Okay. So I need a quarterback. I need a tight end.

I need a coach and my defensive player. So, okay, I'm going to go tight end. I'm taking Jake Butt. 1600 yards total. Top 25 in receiving and touchdowns in Michigan history. Mackie Award winner, two-time first team All-American. He's the best tight end in Michigan history. So I'll take Jake Butt.

I do want to say I had a really tough second and third pick on the tight end thing. Colson Loveland and Jeremy Tooman were both are like next. and neck for me, two, three amongst the most talented and best tight ends Michigan's ever had. I love Jeremy Tumann because that was kind of when I grew up watching Michigan football as a kid. So he was, he was right there. But I'm going to take my quarterback now. And I said this isn't Mount Rushmore. I said this is if I have to go win a game and I want to take this crew, I'm taking bad penny.

How does that make sense, though? Listen, wouldn't your mouth rushmore quarterback take you to win games? Let me explain. Let me explain. If I need it just a leader, okay? This is, we're talking most skilled guys right now. J.J. McCarthy wasn't the most skilled quarterback in Michigan history. J.G. McCarthy was a winner who went 27 and 1 as a quarterback. J.J. McCarthy was a guy who, by the way, is still top five in passing yards.

and touchdowns in Michigan history. Big 10 quarterback in year. Has it been a quarterback since. Hold on. JJ, top five? JJ's top five in Michigan passing yards and touchdowns. Who else has played quarterback in a consistent basin since he left? No, this is all time.

I know, but you just said, you said still like there's been like a slew of quarterbacks that have come to Michigan. No, no, no, no, I understand what you're saying. Okay, I get what you're saying now. I'm saying JJ is a top five in both a statistical categories. He was a Rose Bowl MVP.

67% completion percentage is the best in Michigan history. Remember, JJ through 49 touchdowns, just 11 interceptions. Just glazing this guy. Yeah. But if I need my, if I want the most skilled group I can possibly put out there, Chad Henney's my quarterback. He's not, he's an all-time leader in passing yards, all-time leader, uh, in touchdowns.

He had 17 more touchdown passes than John Navar, who is number two all-time in Michigan history. Um, the, the only knock I have on Shad Hennie and the only thing that you could ever knock Chad Hennie for. He went 0-4 against Ohio State. That's hard. Just mark me. Yeah. And J.J. McCarthy never lost Ohio State. J.G. McCarthy lost

one game. J.J.M.J. lost one game. That was in a national semifinal. So I am going to take Chad Hennie. And that's just kind of where my head's at. Those are my picks. Jake Butt and Chad Hennie there. So you can go ahead and keep filling in. Go ahead.

I mean, what do I need a, I need a tight end. I need a receiver and I need a quarterback. Yep. Tight end, I'm going to go coastland, Colston Loveland. I was going to take Jake. Just especially in this modern day of what a tight end is, I think he's, he fits the bill. He's big frame. His catch radius is crazy.

His ability to make guys miss. He's one of those guys that, you know, was really good at Michigan, but we're when he ends up retiring in the NFL, I think he's going to be one of the, maybe one of the top 20 greatest tight ends. I don't want to give him a lot of flowers right now, but the things he's able to do right now with Caleb Williams in that offense with the Bears has been pretty,

pretty cool the last, you know, 20 games or so of his NFL career so far. So Colson Love him for tight end. Receiver, I'm going to go Anthony Carter. And it was going to be between Anthony Carter and Braylon Edwards. When I think of the number one, I mean, obviously I grew up watching Braylin, but the true first like real number one was Anthony Carter.

What he was able to do back when he was playing. There weren't a lot of receivers that were like that, right? Like a lot of the times, especially in the Big Ten, it was all, you know, the Bo Schembeckler type of offenses where you're just running the ball like crazy. And Anthony Carter was one of those guys, man, that just, I never got to see him play live because he was, you know, I wasn't born then, but just what he's able to do is kind of crazy. so Colston and and Anthony Carter for my team. Yep.

You look at Anthony Carter and the reason that I went brailing over him, you know, he never had the 1,000 yard season, but it was so consistent. And he was second in touchdowns catches in Michigan history of 33. The craziest part is he had a hundred less catches than Braylin, and he's only six touchdowns behind him. Like that's, and it was a different era. It was just a different world.

when he was playing. All right. So I've got the next two picks. And I've got, I need a defensive player. I need a head coach and an offensive lineman. Offensive lineman's a no-brainer to me. This is an easy one, Jake Long. He was the number one overall pick.

He was twice Big Ten offensive linemen of the year. He's one of the best offensive linemen in college football history. I'm going Jake Long as my, my offensive lineman. Yep. And then my head coach, which I'm going to get a free pick here on head coach and defense because you've already taken those. My head coach, I did have Jim Harbaugh as won. I'm going to go fielding Yost. He was head coach for 25 years.

He won 80. Listen, I know it was a long time ago. I know football was a lot different. He won 83% of his games as head coach at Michigan. That's insane. I'm going fielding Yost as my head coach. And then you've got to... Who were fielding those players back then?

Or like, what teams was he playing back then? And do you know any of those games? No, they're, those, in the early 1900s, those were... Listen, if you have a building named after you at Michigan, you're doing pretty well, I guess, you know. Yes. Yes. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. You get buildings, you get, you get love from me here. I'm sure some, there's going to be some old head that's going to come on and bash me on that. but so I've just got a defensive player left and you've got a quarterback and a running back still. Is that right?

I got quarterback and running back. Yeah. And this is my hardest one quarterback I was going to take Chad Henney. That's my guy. Yeah. I knew I was going to surprise you with them. We had him on the pod last year. Yep.

And, you know, just when I started watching Michigan football in a bigger capacity, it was, it was Chad Henney. That was that was the guy. I also wrote down to nine. Just because I just loved it. I think he played in an era that was just maybe a generation too early in terms of what he would have been able to do in this kind of era of football. Can I just, can I just to defend that? As I was looking at this day, I don't think we have ever given DeNard Robinson enough flowers for what he did. He had 49 passing touchdowns and 42 rushing touchdowns.

Yeah. He was top four passer and number two rusher in Michigan history. we still are not appreciating what DeNard Robinson did as a quarterback at Michigan. He was a freak. Unfortunately, he was on some bad Michigan teams, and that sucks because he deserved a lot better. Yeah, I mean, just based off of those stats, I think I'm going to go to Nard, man. I mean, just the electricity. I got to play with him for a year.

Obviously, I think his as like him as like a true pocket passer wasn't as great as obviously got like Chad Henney or Brady or. or greasy back in the 90s, but man, what he was able to do on the field and to carry those teams, those rich ride teams for all those years, I'm going to take Dinar. And then running back, I had Tyrone Wheatley and Mike Hart. And I think because of the style that Mike Hart played with, I'm going to take Mike Hart. Okay. If neither of us took the all-time leading rush sure in Michigan history, that would have been a bad look. I'm glad you did that.

Oh, no, yeah, but just his endurance and his ability to rush 50-some times a game, put the team on his back and have the career that he did at Michigan, I got to go Mike Hart. I loved Mike Hart. He was one of my favorite players, and he and I are about the same age. So, like, as I was going through college, he was, I loved Mike Hart. I did. I loved everything about his game. I loved the way he played, all those things. All right. So last pick is me, and I have to pick a defensive player. Can you give me a hit? Like, what position?

Whirm, this is why I'm so disappointed in you. I'm picking a detackle. Alan Branch? No, but he's on my honorable mention list. Wow. Mark Messner, Mark Messner, mid to late 80s guy. So you probably don't know. I know, I know Mark. Yeah.

the career sack leader at Michigan. He was the first player ever to be named all Big Ten four straight years was the 1988 Big Ten defensive linemen of the year. If it weren't for injuries in the NFL probably would have been more of a household name, I think, after his time at Michigan. But what he was able to do on those late 80s, Michigan teams, that is big time. I mean, to be the first person ever to be named all Big Ten, four straight years,

pretty darn impressive. And his record of Sack, career sacks, still stands today. And you think about all of the great defensive linemen that have come through Michigan. And for that record to still stand today, four years of really strong, consistent play. I'll go Mark Messner. Some of the other guys I had, and I had some honorable mentions. If Charles was still up there, you would have taken Mark Messner still? No, no, no, no, no. I was Chuck was number one. Okay. Charles Watson was one and Messner was two for me. But the honorable mention, Ty Law, Lamar Woodley, Alan Branch, Larry Foot, Glenn Steele.

Those were my next ones. Oh, Glenn Steele's a good pick, man. Larry Foote's a good pick. I mean, Glenn Steele was a monster on some of those things. Like he was. I got to, I guess. Thai law is maybe one of the most underappreciated Michigan Wolverines ever. Like, Thai law was damn good, too.

I got a good, I got a good Glenn Steele stories for you. So I met him a long time ago and then I recently, we kind of, we met again. There was this big Michigan versus Ohio State golf outing. out in Youngstown. Shout out to Ed Moranski and his golf club out there, bringing two legendary programs together for some great causes. But Friday night or Sunday night before the golf outing on Monday, you know, we're at the golf course. There's a big dinner and, you know, people are talking. There's silent auctions. We're having, you know, having good time, drinking some good bourbon, all that fun stuff. We leave and there's no food. The food

had stopped being served at the club for a couple hours. And, you know, we're all football players. So we're still hungry. So we get to the hotel and there's nothing. And I'm like, oh, there's a McDonald's. So I go over to the McDonald's. There's nothing there. It's closed. I'm walking by myself.

There's an I hop open. And so I'm like, I hop's got to be open 24 hours. So I walk in by myself. And it's Glenn Steele and a couple other former players that kind of played during his era and a couple other of the guys that were just golfing. So I sit down, we're eating. Glenn Steele orders, he orders like the combo breakfast.

I got the combo breakfast. So he gets that. It's like pancakes and French toast. He gets four eggs, bacon and sausage. This is like, you know, two, three in the morning. Yeah. Then, then he's, he's eating, like, the leftovers of, like, people out, like, that are, couldn't finish their food. And then he gets, like this breakfast sandwich to go. And I'm sitting here like, holy crap. It's like, it's like, you know, two, three 30 and, like three o'clock in the morning right now. We got, you know, the shotgun starts at 9 o'clock. And this guy is eating 6,000 calories worth of IHOP food. And I'm like, holy cow. That was pretty impressive. So shout out to Glenn Steele. Appreciate him.

Let me sit at his table. Can we find a way to get Glenn Steele on the pod? Can we do that? Find a way to get. I can make it happen. Yeah. We'll see what we can do with that one. Like, I'm putting you on the spot here.

But let's try to find a way to get Glenn Steele on the podcast. Because, like, I loved him growing up, like, really good player. All right. So just to recap your teams, you went, Dinar, Robinson, Mike Hart, Anthony Carter, Colston Loveland, Charles Woodson, Steve Hutchinson, Jim Harboff. That's a damn good team. That's a damn good team.

I went, Chad Henney, Blake Corum, Braylon Edwards, Jake Butt, Mark Messner, Jake Long, and Fielding Yost. Pretty good, too. Shoot. I mean, we got to clip this up and people got to comment in terms of what they think is the better team, but

I don't know, we could run it through like a chat GPT simulator and see who wins. That'd be fun. Yeah, absolutely. We'll let the people decide. I can't wait to see. I'm sure people are going to tell us how stupid we are. It's going to be great. It's going to be awesome. I love it. It's my favorite thing to do. All right. Worm, that was fun. I appreciate it. And now we've got an entire week. Here's the good news as we look towards the weekend. Michigan can't hurt us. We are marked safe from Michigan hurting us this weekend. Thank goodness. This is great. I'm very happy about that. So that's good. We will come back and we're going to do what we'll start looking ahead to Penn state coming up. Next Wednesday is when the pod will drop these new episodes come out every Wednesday so we appreciate everybody chiming in and hanging out with us

and we'll come back and we'll do it all again and hopefully, hopefully some things will get figured out during the bye week. Absolutely. Go blue. All right, go blue. We will see you all next year or next week, rather. Next year, next week on Stadium and Maine. Stadium and Maine is brought

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