Blue By Ninety - Nightmare on Main Street

Episode Date: November 2, 2020

The boys are a mixed bag of emotions after the shocking loss to MSU at home on Halloween. Crack a cold one and listen to us give our answers to what we just saw. ...

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Starting point is 00:00:00 This is the University of Michigan. Touchdown, Michigan! The Beats of Michigan! And they've caught extra pass. And it goes to the wind! The three-pointer by Jordan Poole! Down the sideline! Peebles jumps!
Starting point is 00:00:21 Touchdown, Wolverines! Alright, welcome back to Blue by 90. We are here after the MSU game, and if you can't hear it in my voice, we're all fucking depressed. So I don't even have to ask you guys how you're doing today because I already know the answer. You know what? I'm not even depressed. I was telling you guys. I'm just numb.
Starting point is 00:00:52 I've got no feeling at all about anything. About anything. I'm past depressed, guys. It's like this kind of limbo feeling that's almost like heaven because I don't feel any pain anymore. It's just like nothing. And it's kind of nice compared to what I was feeling yesterday. I mean, that was awful. Yeah, the nightmare hasn't ended for me.
Starting point is 00:01:14 So I'm still in the depths of hell. Jack, you've found a way to push through to the other side. So whatever you're taking, just pour some up for me too. Yeah. Honestly, I need some of the juice. I, I just, I was like, I mean, obviously yesterday was like one of the worst days of our lives,
Starting point is 00:01:31 but then I was like this morning, you know, I woke up hungover and I recorded the pod, the podcast with spath. And then I was just like angry immediately. First thing in the morning. And then I was like, all right, I can like take a breather. But then social media started and all of my Sparty friends just started fucking going nuts.
Starting point is 00:01:54 And then we started getting dragged by Spartans on Blue by 90 as well. Dude, Mike, Mike Santino, Mike Sully on Twitter. He like he texted me. He was like, dude, you guys are getting roasted right now on Twitter. And I was like, dude, I haven't seen anything he like he texted me he was like dude you guys are getting roasted right now on Twitter and I was like dude I haven't even seen anything so he sent me a couple screenshots and I started dying laughing the one the one South Park one I mean that was like so good I mean dude we have like these bold prediction predictions I think even Spartan fans were like yeah we're gonna get blown out this game like we all thought it was gonna happen
Starting point is 00:02:21 that's the thing it's like we don't look like we're stupid because it was literally everybody including them thought oh yeah it's gonna happen but some of the stuff like that was maybe the one thing where i was like okay like i mean that's funny good work like you put it in like put in the creativity the other one's a bunch of fucking idiots but that one i could appreciate for sure. I like that one too. One of them said that none of us have hugged a girl, which is false. I didn't see that one. I have hugged multiple women in my life, so they can all suck that. I haven't gotten a frisk face, guys. I've gotten a frisk face before.
Starting point is 00:02:57 I don't know about you guys. Well, we all have mothers, so this person is definitely wrong. That's true. Yes. Yes. I have – I've touched a boob once i touched like a bag of sand feels like a bag of sand dude one of my other favorite ones it was like uh i bet all these four dudes uh what was it like they'd respond with yeah i went to ross and like my dad will
Starting point is 00:03:22 sue you and like that shit's fucking had me rolling it was just like hit after hit after hit and i saw that one i was like man this is just fucking funny i'm glad i can appreciate this and laugh at it we gotta laugh through the pain i mean this is just like dude i don't i do we want what do we even want to say i don't even know what where we want to start here obviously it was we're 21 and a half point favorites and this team looked like they i think i think this is where i want to start first and foremost before like we get into any like who played bad and who played good that team looked like they didn't even want to be in the stadium michigan looked like they were like you know what if in the stadium. Michigan looked like they were like, you know what? If the game happens today, great. If it doesn't, whatever. Like why was nobody, I even saw a tweet where like Milton had a great run and it picked up like 15, 20 yards
Starting point is 00:04:18 and literally one person, it was right along the sideline. There was one guy clapping. Everyone else just stood there like fucking statues. I'm like, dude, this is a rivalry game. And there's nobody in the stands. Like, you have to create your own energy. But they were so flat. And that's so crazy to me because last week, I swear, we saw a quote or something. I can't remember who it was. I feel like it was one of the D linemen, like Donovan Jeter.
Starting point is 00:04:45 I think it was him. It was like, you know, we've never felt like more of a team or so close as this team that I'm with right now. And then like you see shit like that. You're like, what the like, what? What is going on here? Yeah, there's just like just no like sense of urgency. Everybody just felt like lackadaisical through the tv i i don't know i was sitting there like trying to get hype for them from like the living room you know yeah i i mean
Starting point is 00:05:15 we talked about a lack of sense of urgency is perfect as a perfect way to put it it was like i mean obviously they thought that they were going to go out there and just steamroll them and they thought michigan state wasn't going to put up a fight which is so stupid because even you know even though it's not dantonio they're still obviously out for blood and especially after the whooping that michigan put on him last year they're going to come in and you know try to do their worst and And they did. And it was just like, I don't know. It felt like the whole, like, from coaches on down, nobody wanted to be there.
Starting point is 00:05:53 Nobody was like, I'm going to be the one that gets this team going. And credit where it's due, right? I mean, Mel Tucker had his guys fired up. And they played very mistake-free football for the most part. So, I mean, especially coming off that devastating loss that they had to start the season, go right into a rivalry game and come in hyped up and ready to play, I have to give credit where it's due. Yeah, I mean, they came out as a better team. I mean, I think Rocky Lombardi was that back-to-back 300-yard games he had.
Starting point is 00:06:25 Yeah. Shit, man. I mean, fuck, I'm rooting for the Spartans right now. Like, what's going on here? Like, it's embarrassing. It's fucking embarrassing what happened yesterday. Well, I mean, the thing is, like, our defense looked like it was – so everything was rolling, obviously, against Minnesota, and things were going well, and we looked like we had so everything was rolling obviously against minnesota and things were
Starting point is 00:06:46 going well and we looked like we had it all together and then how i like to say is like everyone knows what their game plan is until they get punched in the mouth mishkin got punched in the mouth yesterday and then had no fucking clue they were deer in headlights like what do we do now team Team actually like push back and our, our corners obviously had no clue what to do against three-star freshmen. Like what are you, I don't know. Why was it all Rashad Bateman? We, we could handle, but we can't handle a three-star freshman and and the thing that pisses me off the most is we this all happened early in the game and we made zero adjustments Don Brown didn't make one single fucking adjustment the whole game and just left those corners on an island even though they were getting slaughtered yeah and Vince Gray was supposed to be our top quarterback he was the guy that was getting targeted the most and I think he gave up 200 yards to that freshman you're talking
Starting point is 00:07:49 about three-star freshman dude. I mean, that's where your coat, the coaching staff needs to help out, you know, have your back for your players and put them in a situation where they can succeed. And if you see this guy can't play one-on-one man coverage, you need to help them. And like you said, bro, like they didn't make any adjustments and they just left the guy on a fucking island and just continue to let him get torched the entire game. Yeah. And it's awful. I mean, when we had Craig Rowe on here, he said it right. It's about one on one matchups all all over the field. And as the defensive coordinator, you need to be aware of these matchups and be trying to get favorable matchups for your team right so if
Starting point is 00:08:25 you know vince gray is covering somebody who can torch him you got to make an adjustment and for don brown to not make those adjustments that leaves me scratching my head like what are we doing and and daxton hill came out after the game and said yeah we actually prepared for the run we didn't prepare for them to pass on us what what they're praying for half the game and said yeah we actually prepared for the run we didn't prepare for them to pass on us what what they're praying for half the game there what's like that you just you just thought that they were going to run the ball and be complacent with that and not try and throw it up on us after rocky threw for 300 yards in game one like that makes no fucking sense yeah i thought they had a non-existent run game against rutgers yes they did he all they could do
Starting point is 00:09:05 was throw so why are oh my god oh that's so frustrating and like obviously our secondary going into it all we talked about was how that was our one weakness on defense you think they're not going to try to exploit that all all rocky lombardi did in that game especially in the first and second quarter literally three step drop and just throw it up and he wasn't making spectacular throws he did he did make yeah he had a few good he had a few drops a couple times for sure and those yeah i can't take anything away from him he had a couple times yeah but i but i it was more like it what i'm not saying that he didn't play well i'm more so saying it was their game plan literally to just loft it up one-on-one and see what happens and they
Starting point is 00:09:52 it was either complete or they drew a pi call 90 of the time 100 yeah and i that was really interesting too because their receivers were able to get like some separation and then make those plays well I mean maybe I'm getting ahead here but I felt like our receivers were not able to get separation which put more pressure on Joe Milton to try and make plays yeah and even I mean like you said Keone not to get too far ahead but two weeks in a row like I don't want to harp on Joe Milton and saying that he's playing poorly because I think, I mean,
Starting point is 00:10:26 he's a first year guy or he's, this is his first year starting, but he hasn't been able to prove that he can throw a deep ball yet and hit somebody open. It hasn't happened yet. It has not happened yet. So I don't know what needs to happen to be, to be fixed there.
Starting point is 00:10:39 But if you can't be a deep ball threat, the quarterback, who's going to, who's going to guard against that when you haven't had one i don't think he's had a completion over 25 yards in the air through the air i don't think he's had a completion over 25 yards in the first two games there was there was one play where he had roddy bell so wide open down the seam in the middle and he overthrew him by 20 yards and i'm just like dude i i just think i know he's got this cannon for an arm but like he was so open all he had to do was loft it in there and in ronnie bell he doesn't
Starting point is 00:11:14 even have to put it on a dime which that bothered me but there were definitely a couple times like you said that he threw into some really tight windows and made some great throws, but he had to do that because they weren't letting our receivers weren't getting separation. And to me, the reason for that was they were able to drop a lot of guys back into the zone because our run game was nonexistent, literally nonexistent. How many times is Josh Gaddis going to run inside zone fucking three times? He literally ran it so many times, and we had negative yards on like half the plays.
Starting point is 00:11:53 Yeah, it was unsuccessful all game. The O-line didn't play well. Mason had a couple times where he missed his blocks. I mean, it just seemed like they weren't ready for the game, which is crazy to me. It's a rivalry game. First year coach, you know, like he he's going to want to win that he can hang his hat on and you're not going to come prepared. I mean, come on. Yeah, I feel like the running back by committee came to bite us a little bit in this game because like none of our running backs could really catch a rhythm.
Starting point is 00:12:24 And we were trying to like force a couple things and i was going like why are we not putting hassan haskins in there he had a couple runs that he was able to get outside and gain some yards and then all of a sudden he disappeared and we're we're putting in uh charbonnet or quorum which are great guys. But I'm like, dude, go with the hot hand here a little bit. Yeah, it seemed to me, and I was wondering, you know, after game one, obviously we had so many guys play and all of them pretty much succeeded, right? Yeah. But I was wondering, okay, are we still going to go with that all year
Starting point is 00:13:02 or are people going to kind of emerge? Are we going to kind of roll with some people and it just felt like Josh Gaddis had like he had to check the box on every running back getting you know a certain amount of plays in or something and I'm like I don't know he just I'm not sold on Josh Gaddis as a play caller yet that's for sure yeah I mean he can't be and like and like you were saying Kalen I mean running back by committee seemed to have kind of killed us where I think Hassan and and Corum had were probably the two best running backs that game at least they had like moments where they strong a couple of things together it's like keep those guys in if
Starting point is 00:13:37 they're hot you know don't put somebody else in there's no need to I I know I've said it in the past and we just talked about how minnesota week one there was multiple guys in and they all did really well but i don't know i'm so torn on what should happen but if there's a hot hand man he's got to feed him that's where i'm at now yeah do you think that the minnesota game was kind of just a facade right now that we've seen minnesota oh and two yeah i mean bro what do you think minnesota looked fucking terrible against maryland who just got ran out of the stadium by northwestern they put up three points on northwestern and then came out and they they
Starting point is 00:14:20 were struck or sorry maryland came out maryland had three points on Northwestern and then came out and were scoring at will on Minnesota. So, yes, I think that we should not have been three touchdown favorites against Michigan State because that Minnesota team is bad, really bad. And I think that we did what good teams do to bad teams against Minnesota. We dominated them, but that was, we're, we're not as, as good as, as we were advertised. The, the bigger part to me is, is I thought the, the, what, what Michigan has struggled with in the past in these big games is they come in looking so unprepared. Right. to struggle with in the past in these big games is they come in looking so unprepared right and I was like okay versus Minnesota we looked like we were clicking on all cylinders that team looked
Starting point is 00:15:11 like it was ready to play from play one through put through the end of the fourth quarter and then it was like two different teams now all of a sudden Michigan comes out this week and it was like they didn't know where to go on the field what was going on and just didn't look like they wanted to be there and I'm like all right guess we haven't figured that one out um and to me a team really has the personality of their head coach and our team does not have a good personality and it's not a which is so weird because it's not a fight to the death, like we're going to be there for our brothers, like ultra competitive, and I'm just going to do everything I can not to lose this game. But that's like what Harbaugh is, right?
Starting point is 00:15:58 Like we talked about it with Craig. He's like this guy that literally won't lose in fucking checkers. And so I don't understand why he doesn't have that mentality now on the football field. It doesn't look like at least. He almost looks like D'Antonio did last year. Just tired and wants to be done. Yeah, that's just sad. He really does. He looks like he's like, all right, I get paid fucking $8 million a year. And so if you guys want to keep paying me, great. If not, whatever. that was probably the worst Michigan game of the Harbaugh era, my opinion.
Starting point is 00:16:45 Oh, 100%. It was like there was no way that you could afford to lose that game. And from top to bottom, it was an absolute debacle. Defense, offense, play calling, coaching. Like literally the coaching staff isn't challenging plays that they 100 should be challenging it's just like there's something so wrong here that it like i'm pulling my hair out you know i'm i'm kind of speechless honestly like i was i was i was recording this morning with with
Starting point is 00:17:22 spath and i was like fuming but i, couldn't put sentences together because I couldn't, like, the words aren't there. Yeah. It's so hard. Like, it's unexplainable, really. Tell me how Jim fucking Harbaugh, who is, you know, supposedly one of the great football minds and football coaches in all of the world, you know, he was at one point at least now he doesn't seem like he's a shell of that man that was at san francisco he's a shell
Starting point is 00:17:53 of the man that was here in 2015 and 2016 and but still in year six of jim harbaugh you're telling me he can't out game plan out coach Mel fucking Tucker, who hasn't had a winning record ever in his life at Michigan state where the, the difference in talent is beyond, like it's so wide that there's no way that they should even be close in that football game. You're telling me that you are going to get out coached by a guy that's in his second game ever and just got fucking housed by rutgers how does that happen how does that happen it's more it's so unacceptable it's not even funny in a program that dantonio left an absolute shambles shambles yeah i mean like when you
Starting point is 00:18:43 when you look at that when you're talking about the talent and sparty's getting these three-star guys a few four-star guys and michigan's getting a lot of four-star guys and a couple five-star guys if you're not beating that team it's not the talent that's stopping you from winning it's the coaching and they might even have a better chance without coaching just playing on their own because they're so talented to beat that less talented team. I mean, it's so mind-numbing and just frustrating that your team is so much more talented. Your coach is supposed to be one of the top five, ten coaches in all of college football. And you can't beat a first-year guy that just lost to Rutgers the week previous. That's a fucking mess.
Starting point is 00:19:23 If you dig in even a little bit more it gets like even worse than that right because you're saying like three and couple four star guys one of those four star guys is antoine simmons who went to pioneer high school across the street how are you missing out on recruits who then become you know big 10 all team when the all you got to do is step out your office to watch the guys high school games so or you know uh davante dobbs over at belleville so not only are they kicking our ass in the stadium they're kicking our ass on the recruiting trail and as far as i'm concerned after what i saw yesterday in the film room so like all around i'm definitely all around i'm just like so frustrated with this program after that terrible loss that i'm like dude we need to do something
Starting point is 00:20:12 i mean it has to start with me like for for me it has to start with at least putting some pressure on jim harbaugh it doesn't seem like there's any pressure on Jim Harbaugh like hey if you don't succeed we're gonna fire us no there's literally nothing in the whole department whatever whoever you want to say it's on but it's just like there's literally never been like uh you know obviously the fans in in the national media have called or said that he's on the hot seat. Nobody in Ann Arbor has been like, yeah, I think that, you know, it's a do or die game here for you. No, it feels like he's so complacent and just like he knows this is what we've got and this is what we're going to live with.
Starting point is 00:21:00 And then it goes down from him to Don Brown as well Don Brown doesn't seem like he's going anywhere so I mean you if it if it was me I'm sorry Don you are gone today today like I actually I've always loved Don Brown and we've all been hardball guys too, but like this shit's unacceptable, man. You can't tell me that you just sit there and during that whole game and you don't make one adjustment and leave all your guys out there, Don Brown. And like,
Starting point is 00:21:36 there has to be repercussions for your actions there. Come on. You, you're, you're a great football mind. I don't understand the stubbornness it's so fucking frustrating man yeah i mean we i mean we all saw on twitter last night michigan michigan twitter was going crazy about all right this is a joke it's a fucking mess fire harbaugh fire don
Starting point is 00:21:57 brown there needs to be pressure on these guys and i'm and you know i'm at the point where i'm like man i've always been team Harbaugh I've always had it like rooted for him want to keep him as a coach same with Don Brown and now I'm like man this is just it's a joke something needs to change and the only thing that's really going to change anything is if one of those two guys is gone yeah I mean I've always been a Harbaugh guy too and uh I've definitely been a Don Brown guy. And I think that they're both good coaches. And from where we were and where they've taken us, 100 percent respect it. And I think it deserves nothing but praise. But I think if we want to take that next step to become elite and compete at the elite level, I'm sorry to say it, but I just don't think these are those are the guys at this point.
Starting point is 00:22:42 So question for you guys. We've seen this recently with the Lions. Are we at a point where we're just being whiny little bitches and we've got Jim Caldwell and the programs in like a fine state? Or is it something different where it's like, okay, really, you know, the grass is greener on the other side. We need to find somebody else. And Michigan really should have that opportunity to take the next step or do we get a new head coach we go back to the richard brady hoke era that's where i'm stuck i'm like man we saw what the lions we've seen it with michigan already once before what happened now i was in that boat i was 100 in that boat of
Starting point is 00:23:21 the grass isn't always green here we did this with with Lloyd Carr, and it worked out horrendously. Like, it was a fucking debacle for eight years, right? It wasn't just like a couple years. It was almost a decade. But now it's time for a change of scenery, man. I don't think Jim Harbaugh will ever gain the trust of this fan base back. And outside of beating Ohio State which let's face it the chances this team beats Ohio State are less than zero at this point
Starting point is 00:23:50 so it just it to me it's more about somebody new coming in without the expectations to be a national title contender in year one that that's what came with Harbaugh, and it's really been the problem, in my opinion, ever since he stepped foot in Ann Arbor. Because it was just unrealistic expectations, because Michigan's never been there. 1997 was one year, right? They've always been top ten, Big Ten championships, obviously, but Michigan has not been on Ohio State's level in a long time.
Starting point is 00:24:28 And everyone expected him to turn it around like that. And he did really well in 2015 and 2016, so the expectations got even higher. And now it's just back to 9-3 Michigan, which is where – that's what Michigan is. And so for me, it's somebody that somebody, we have to bring in somebody who is young, new. I would rather have them have zero connections to Michigan. Honestly, I don't want there to be any expectations of them coming in. I'm all fuck the whole Michigan man thing. Like just get whoever's best for the job.
Starting point is 00:25:03 And they should have connections to ohio state luke fickle go go throw six million dollars at that luke fickle he's still at cincinnati right yeah i mean didn't we see that with uh god damn correct me if i'm wrong where did bo come from bo schoenbeckler yeah he was an assistant at Ohio State. Yes. I mean. Ohio State did it with Greg Madison. Yeah, if we can pluck them from Ohio State, I say we do it. They're doing shit right.
Starting point is 00:25:34 I say let's set our sights even higher than that, right? I'm like, dude, I want to see, you know, here's a crazy one. Deion Sanders, right? Coach at, what, Jackson State, I think. Or I want to see people who can win at the highest level give me like sean mcveigh give me like um gosh what is that guy's name the oc at the chiefs those are the kinds of guys yeah that guy yeah i want to see those guys because they are offensively minded and they're young and creative but i mean usually you don't see people take a step down to college so whatever but well caitlin who was your uh you're telling me yesterday you
Starting point is 00:26:10 might have been a little intoxicated and can't remember but you had some you had a bold pick yesterday for head coach for michigan oh here's a yeah very bold tom brady he's in his last last Last year at the NFL, Michigan man. Thank you for cheering me up, Caleb. Fucking Tom Brady. That would be incredible. Hey, on that same note, though, an actual one that I've heard swirling around, Tyrone Wheatley. He was a coach here, an assistant here. I believe he's coaching somewhere else. Jack Bars, I think. Is he with the Jags?
Starting point is 00:26:46 Yeah. I mean, he's a Michigan man, I know, so that, like, fits that. But, like, at least I think he's, like, a Juwan Howard type. Young guy, probably will do really good on the recruiting trail and, you know, has a mantra. He knows what it takes to win at Michigan, which we fucking said that about Jim Harbaugh too. So now that I'm saying that out loud, I'm like, fuck, man.
Starting point is 00:27:13 Luke Fickle. I like what you said about Luke Fickle. Give me the fucking Ohio State connection. I think that's what we need. It's like plucking somebody from Alabama, plucking somebody from Clemson. We need to pluck somebody from a winning, traditioned program that's won in the last 20 years. And that's not going to happen at Michigan because it hasn't happened at Michigan. See, I would be all on board for Luke Fickle if Cincinnati beat a top five team out of nowhere. But still, you see Cincinnati doing so well right now.
Starting point is 00:27:44 What kind of recruits do you think they have that means you have good coaching if you're if you're ranked that high and you're beating teams and you're blowing them out no matter what he actually has landed a couple really good four stars at cincinnati too which is not think about think about being in the in the state of ohio and trying to compete with ohio state for recruits. That's hard to do. When you play in the fucking whatever, American Conference or whatever they play in. I don't know. I'm all in on Luke Fickle. It would actually make me super happy because Michigan State tried to get him and he said no.
Starting point is 00:28:20 So maybe, you know. But I'm also pretty sure he hates Michigan. Good. Money Michigan. Good. Money talks. I need somebody to come in who fucking hates Michigan enough to change the program. Yes. Because I hate Michigan too. Thank you. Thank you.
Starting point is 00:28:35 That's where I'm fucking at, man. Oh, man. It's just so frustrating. Yeah. I mean, the other problem, problem though is the financial situation for the athletic department right now is so bad i don't see them firing jim harbaugh they would have to pay him out money yeah they would have to buy him out 10 million dollars and this year they've had they've already had to make all the employees take pay cuts so how do you if your
Starting point is 00:29:04 ward manual say yeah everyone's taking a pay cut but we're gonna pay jim harbaugh 10 million dollars not to work here anymore need those boosters to throw some money out there i'm pretty and honestly the program in all honesty it's gonna be whoever stephen ross wants to uh wants to have it because the money bags and owns michigan at this point yeah yeah i mean jumping back to some of the stuff floating around in the rumor mill can we kind of talk about uh bob shoop yeah so yeah there's like some rumors out there unconfirmed uh that bob shoop is no longer the safeties coach and he hasn't been since september i i couldn't even tell you
Starting point is 00:29:47 what he looks like so i couldn't even tell you if he's been on the sideline or not but i but yeah we saw that from chris bayless at the wolverine um.com i believe um throwing that out there right before we started recording so whether that's significant or not i mean that's pretty wild that it would just be announced now and no jim harbaugh pick up the phone and call charles woodson say i need a safeties coach call somebody someone apparently the the rumor is that they've had a grad assistant coaching our safeties this whole time call your fucking michigan man do you know how many people would drop literally everything they're doing to come coach here? For free.
Starting point is 00:30:28 Literally for free. 100%. Like, you're telling me. I understand the timing probably was the biggest problem. But you're telling me that you could literally call anybody at 90 out of 120 schools in college football. And their safeties coach would just be like, i'll be there in an hour like yeah so so that frustrates me even more as to what happened yesterday because we haven't had somebody fucking coaching our secondary what the hell you got to be fucking kidding me it's a mess what we didn't know about it they just like fired a coach
Starting point is 00:31:08 without just saying anything what god's fucking does anybody have any positives from that game yesterday oh no there are no positives from all day yesterday the only positive is that i blacked out that is the only problem oh man i have one positive let's hear it give me something man i think my zero to 90 last week was that joe milton was gonna throw for 300 yards he did get to 300 he hit 300 on the dot god i said 300 yards and three tds so he was only three touchdowns short. So let's kind of jump into some of that. Did you guys think that Joe Milton played poorly?
Starting point is 00:31:54 I think our offensive line played poorly. Yeah. I think that Joe Milton didn't play great. He made some really good throws. He made a lot of the throws that he needed to. But it was the run game that when you can't get the run game going like that you can't it yeah it all has to start with that because then they know that you you have to pass and they can drop back i don't think he played poorly again i haven't watched back what's what um you know i haven't looked at most of the throws. He missed a couple big ones, which are just necessary to have.
Starting point is 00:32:29 But I don't think he played terrible. I'm not like, oh, fuck Joe Milton. He's not the guy anymore. To me, it's more on coaching. Like, hey, let's have a game plan for a guy that's in his second start ever and make it easy for him to get in a rhythm that's more what it is for me yeah i mean i think the o-line definitely struggled one thing i did love about joe milton from what it sounds like at the post-game presser and he was asked about the o-line
Starting point is 00:32:57 and how everybody played and he was like you know what it's not anything uh that we didn't see on film from msu it's all on me mean, he just took a real leadership role there to take it on himself, to blame himself for that game, then putting it on any of his teammates. So I would love to see for that to play into the next week where these guys are like, all right, I'm going to fight for this fucking guy. He's not throwing me under the bus.
Starting point is 00:33:19 He's taking all the responsibility for all this when we know it wasn't his fault. And maybe they'll show some fire and be able to beat a good indiana team but if they don't fucking do that we're fucked rest of the season we're going four and four like a lot of people predicted i have no faith in this team right now well and then i also want to ask about the wildcat because i'm not a fan of the wildcat formation, but it seems like that one pass from Hassan that got batted down was like the entire game because if that pass was caught, we would have won the game.
Starting point is 00:33:51 But what's your guys' thoughts on Wildcat? People are hating on that play call, but he's wide open. He's literally wide open. And I actually don't like the – I agree with you. I don't like the Wildcat because essentially, obviously, other than that play, everyone knows what the fuck you're going to do when you line up in Wildcat. You don't have a quarterback in the game. And so when you take out your incredibly mobile and strong-armed quarterback
Starting point is 00:34:20 that apparently you have a ton of confidence in and then use your running back to throw the football it was like they were overthinking josh caddis was overthinking of it like dude just run the cam newton play that we ran against minnesota so many times and it's just as outside zone where joe milton just fucking bowls over somebody. Like, or run fucking Ben Mason up the middle. God damn it. Like, why are we trying to do trickeration when we're on the one-yard line? Yeah, don't fucking give Ben Mason the ball, I'll tell you that,
Starting point is 00:34:55 because he's going to fucking fumble it. I'll promise you that. But I'm with you. I think Joe Milton could have easily made that play where it could be a read where he can either run it or he can do a little Tebow jump pass like Haskins was trying to do. But I also think that Gaddis was getting a lot of hate. Like you said,
Starting point is 00:35:11 bro on Twitter, because that play, it wasn't, it didn't end up being a touchdown, but it had that been a touchdown. People would have been praising his creativity right there, which bothers the fuck out of me. Bothers the fuck out of me.
Starting point is 00:35:23 I thought it was a great creative play. Thought it could have gone very well. Literally he throws it a half inch higher and it's a fucking touchdown and then josh gaddis is a genius right exactly so i mean i'm i and i'm and i am not somebody that loves a wildcat either but i do think the creativity of that play could have been a huge you know difference maker and like you said kaelin that was a turning point in the game like i feel like all the momentum just fucking stopped and went to michigan state and it was just game over from there on out yeah it seemed like josh gaddis was overthinking the whole game like again i think he's super young as a play caller this is only a second year as a play
Starting point is 00:36:02 caller and now apparently jim harbaugh has given him the entire reins and i think it's showing um but i mean everything looked great last week i just it was two different teams seven days seven days against two bad football teams and they looked like a complete opposite team like it's crazy i just don't understand man but i it honestly like to me the offensive line had zero push all day long and that was the biggest problem um because when when you milton was not comfortable back there he was forcing shit and we talked about that before week one. He has to be comfortable in order for them to be successful, and he was not.
Starting point is 00:36:51 I don't know. What do you guys think about individual players, offensive line, running backs, wide receivers? Is there anybody that stood out that actually did have a good game i think ronnie bell had a decent game um giles jackson had like a first down on every single pass that he caught and giles jackson was looking like fucking dpj on those punt returns though and made me want to drop kick my tv it was it was the worst thing I've ever seen. I mean, come on. He had one where it was a broken play that he brought back that ended up being fine, but there was a couple where I'm like, where the fuck are you
Starting point is 00:37:32 going? What are you doing? But I did, I loved what I saw out of Roman Wilson, another young guy. Had a good game. I liked what I saw out of Blake Corham. I mean, fuck, dude. Milton threw for 300 yards. I mean, you, dude. Milton threw for 300 yards. I mean, you got to give props to that.
Starting point is 00:37:50 But also, he missed some big-time throws. So, I don't know. I'm not by no means am I off of the Joe Milton high train, but he was good, but he wasn't great. And we need him to be great for Michigan to kind of go anywhere. Cornelius Johnson is another guy I just want to give a shout out to. He had a couple plays, too. Dude, Milton, he actually had 59 rush yards as well.
Starting point is 00:38:17 So something to recognize. He's our leading rusher. Yeah. Like, what? But, I mean, this is just so baffling to me. Like, how did we beat this team by, like, 30 last year with Shea Patterson as our QB? Well, think about it. Think about this. Joe Milton went, what? He went 32 for 51.
Starting point is 00:38:39 We've been crying. We've been begging for them to throw the ball 50 times. And so now, like, for them to finally throw the ball 50 times and for it to be a travesty is so disappointing. Like, I – And that goes back to what you said earlier. If Michigan can't run the ball and they know that you're just going to pass it, it's going to make it a little bit tougher to actually be able to get big plays out of it.
Starting point is 00:39:05 Yeah. It's funny because we asked him to throw the ball 50 times, but we also asked him to score more than 24 points. That's true. No shit. With that, I mean, I think he threw the ball 50 times, and how many of them were dinks and dunks? What frustrated – you know what? Let's talk about the last drive for Michigan.
Starting point is 00:39:26 It was – they had four and a a half five minutes left on the clock and they acted like they had a whole quarter left awful time management we were we were checking down to the running back on nearly every single play and i'm just like hey guys talk about a sense of urgency like uh you you're down 10 you know you're not down three like you have to score here and then you have to leave enough time to get the ball back because you're not going to get an off or an onside kick and we acted like it was like oh you know what if we score here great but it might just take a while i don't know like there was no game plan to try and move the ball down the field in a in a quick matter of time yeah i think that still comes back to our wide receivers not getting separation right and then joe's like
Starting point is 00:40:18 shit no one's open i just gotta dink it off or i have to take off and run. Right. That's also where I'm kind of like, get us. Come on, man. Like you had this whole speed and space thing. We supposedly got these super fast receivers. If they're all super fast, why isn't there like five yards in between them and the defender downfield? I haven't I don't think I've seen one play where that's happened. Yeah. And that goes back to having your coaches set your players up for success.
Starting point is 00:40:47 I mean, you've got all these athletes. Do something with them. Put them in plays that we know they can run well. It just doesn't seem like it's happening. Yeah, and the other thing that they have not done on offense that I actually said, I think I said this last week, I want to see Joe Milton, let's move the pocket. If the pocket's collapsing a lot, let's get him on the move. Let's get him in a bootleg.
Starting point is 00:41:09 Let's get him, you know, he's mobile. So then that gives him another option of, you know, running the ball or passing it. So the creativity that I was like raving about in week one, I felt like they used so many different pieces in so many different ways. And now we went so stale in game two. It was like two, again, two different teams. I'm just so confused on the play calling. As are we all. I'm at a loss for words.
Starting point is 00:41:42 I've got nothing. I'm sorry to the listeners out there who are coming for like answers because we have we're all over the place and we're just like fuck man what is what is going on i mean especially when you see two different teams and back-to-back weeks there's not there's not a whole lot of consistency in what's going wrong which is which is wild it's just like what the fuck happened i mean what what bothers me about the coaching too and this is j this is basically just like a fucking hour-long rant at this point but i'm just gonna keep ranting and venting so go for it
Starting point is 00:42:18 i need somebody to listen to me and you guys are forced to so Jacqueline doesn't listen to me yet she's like can you shut the fuck up I'm trying to watch for the hundredth time yeah exactly but like to me I don't know if you guys saw this and maybe it happened without us seeing it on the sideline but it doesn't seem like anybody was coming off the field and no coach was like getting in their face like, hey, wake up. Like it just seemed like everybody was like, huh, things aren't working out for us today. You know, that's weird, right? Like, let's go out there and next drive and see if it turns. See if we run the same thing and it ends up differently.
Starting point is 00:43:02 There was no like, hey, you know the the bow picture of him grabbing harbaugh's face mask like i need to see that from somebody like get in somebody's face fire these fuckers up like it just it just did it there's no fire and there's no competitiveness there at least there wasn't on saturday and which is so frustrating because after week one it did look like that and then in all those player interviews they're like this team is different the vibe's different it's a we're all we're all in this together we're feeling like it's you know it's just a different room now and then you come out after saying all that shit and i'm like you lied straight to our face. So, thank you.
Starting point is 00:43:45 Yeah. Yeah. I feel betrayed, man. I feel betrayed. Definitely feel betrayed. I feel like we were sold like a PS5, and then we got home, and we opened it up. Fucking GameCast. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:44:00 It's like a SegaCast or whatever. Like Dreamcast. That was a great system hey it's like those one things where it's like uh yeah you buy like an iphone 11 and they send you an iphone 5 and an iphone 6 together that's what we've got i don't want to put too much like on the players, though. I do want to say that because I do think a lot of it is the coaching, even though it's up to players to execute. Right. And you're on the field. You got to play.
Starting point is 00:44:39 But I also just feel like, you know, as coach, you have to put your players in a position to succeed. And I'm not entirely sure that they did that. They didn't do that. 100 that 100 they did not do that and here's the thing we all know what our weaknesses are on this team right us three don't know football that well like we do but not we're not coaches we're not analysts no we're not we're yeah exactly we're just fucking drunks that are watching the game at home. But all of us can see the weaknesses so plain and clear and simple, and that coaching staff still does not fix them. They do not address those issues and try to, you know,
Starting point is 00:45:22 let's pivot and make sure that our secondary doesn't have that much pressure on them let's pivot and this make sure this young offensive line doesn't have much pressure on them let's you know let's get them moving in a different direction let's do you know speed sweeps so that's not we're we ran inside zone a hundred times it was just like it was you know they they say the definition of what insanity is just keep trying to do the same thing and hoping for a different result we literally did that all day yesterday and so yes i agree our coaching staffs did not they they didn't adapt they didn't change anything after they saw that things weren't working out well. And that is what's frustrating to me
Starting point is 00:46:06 because you're dealt this hand of, you know, a not-so-great offensive line and a not-so-great secondary, sure. But you have to deal with it. You can't just be like, all right, so I guess we're going to suck. You know, like... But also I say we're dealt this hand like amory thomas is gone that's the only guy that's gone right recruiting wise this coaching staff did this to themselves why not have a better offensive line your your and your first round draft pick came back
Starting point is 00:46:41 how do we have a bad offensive line at this point yeah and i mean there are even plays where jaylen mayfield looked looked like flipped flopped around like he didn't know what the fuck was going on and it's not something there's no way that michigan state's outsmarting him i mean this guy was supposed to be a first round talent he locked down chase young last year who was a top two three pick can't remember mean, it just looked like a totally different team, and that's where I was so blown away and shocked, like what the fuck is going on? Yeah, I'm with both of you guys.
Starting point is 00:47:14 I got nothing to report. Yeah, no, we're saying the same shit over and over. God, dude, how do you feel about the season moving forward? Is it just like, are we dead inside? Are we numb? Do we even care? Like, I feel like I need to remove myself from Michigan football, honestly, for my own mental health.
Starting point is 00:47:38 Oh, 100%. Dude, I literally just told you guys, I'm numb. Like, I have emotionally removed the passion of michigan football because i'm sick of having my saturdays ruined just because of not even saturdays year whole weekend my whole year is ruined now 100 you think i'm joking but now every time i have to go home that's true yeah they are gonna talk shit like it's gonna be a laugh at it i guess that's what i had to do all day today brutal i think we just have to become michigan haters we have to hate this this program and then maybe like because you know what's gonna what would
Starting point is 00:48:19 happen like if i truly was able to remove myself which which I'm too invested, like I can't do that. Michigan would end up fucking going undefeated. 100%. 100%. As soon as I like. Get the fuck out. What are you doing? Exactly. Take the bullet for us.
Starting point is 00:48:34 Come on. Trying to win some games here. You're over here being a fan and shit. I'll do it. I was literally thinking that earlier today. I'm like, man, I'm just going to stop rooting for Michigan. But then, like, once they start winning, I can't be like, oh, yeah, I'm back on the bandwagon now.
Starting point is 00:48:52 I wish – I would kill to be a bandwagon fan and not care. Oh, my God. That has to be the nicest feeling ever. I would kill for that. How do you guys feel about indiana this week i don't we were somehow like four point favorites how are we favorites in this game isn't it at indiana too yeah and indiana's looked pretty good yeah undefeated beat a penn state team that hung with ohio state a little bit i mean they didn't play that well last week against rutgers but still i guess yeah this
Starting point is 00:49:26 is where i have to like what a crazy year right i mean covid blah blah blah and then all of college football that's about the only thing i can grasp at at this point look at how crazy things are this year wouldn't that be crazy if we came off this MSU loss and just absolutely crushed Indiana? I could see it happening. We've seen two totally different teams right now. We don't know which one's going to come out. It could be a week one against Minnesota. It could be a team like last week and struggle.
Starting point is 00:49:58 I have no expectation. I have no expectation for this game. I'm pretty sure Michigan, the week after a game that they lose, I'm pretty sure they're undefeated under Harbaugh as well. So, like last year, I think they lost to – I can't remember. Oh, you're saying the week after, yeah. They kicked the shit out of Notre Dame right after they lost to somebody.
Starting point is 00:50:23 I can't remember who it was. Penn State or Wisconsin maybe? Yeah, something like that. Or maybe Penn State. No, Penn State. It was Penn State. Yeah. Getting hot.
Starting point is 00:50:33 It was a good second half against Penn State. Then they rolled Notre Dame. That's true. Ronnie Bell. Yeah. Yeah. Michigan's like, this is what they do. They disappoint you and then come back and they show,
Starting point is 00:50:47 they'll show exactly what they did against Minnesota, against Indiana, and we'll be like, maybe? Maybe. Get some hope back. And then, like, it won't take long and I'll just fucking be out 100% again. Michigan has a football team and our fan base is the most bipolar sports program
Starting point is 00:51:10 of all time. I want some therapist to just come and survey Michigan fans because the number of depressions that I have to be throughout this fan base, I mean not only is it disappointment year after year but it's like
Starting point is 00:51:28 crushing soul breaking disappointment because it's so high our expectations they somehow realist in every single year and then nothing dude i'm to have to start doing meditation at halftime or something. Try to calm back down. Yeah, instead of drinking, I'm just going to start smoking weed during the games to keep myself calm. I'm going to be taking Ambien.
Starting point is 00:51:58 Watch it on the couch. Hey man, I fell asleep at halftime for the Minnesota game and we won. Maybe I have to start doing that again. Jack, we'll start putting you to sleep. Oh, God. All right. Well, that's got to pretty much wrap it up.
Starting point is 00:52:16 We've ranted for a good hour now. Again, apologies to our listeners out there. This was like zero help to anybody. It probably just pissed everyone off again or made them so sad. So sad. Or you can commiserate with us. Yeah. Yeah, that's true.
Starting point is 00:52:32 If you're sad, come be sad with us. This was like, remember when we were so sad that the season got canceled? Oh, I'd kill for the season to be canceled. Oh, God. Oh, my God. Going back to that, like, why did we have this season? 2020 is the worst. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:52:51 Not great so far. But what? We're having a. So far. It's November. We still got hope. There's two months left, man. There's two months left.
Starting point is 00:53:02 It's only the majority of the year that sucks so far. And we also, in two days, have an election that's only going to rip the entire country apart. So it's fine. All right. On that note, everyone have a great week. Follow us. Follow us on Twitter. If you want to see us get dragged by more Spartans, you can follow us.
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Starting point is 00:53:42 Please, I mean, send us something, beer send us i don't weed i don't care any types of drugs i'm fine literally i'm looking for new things to get into so new hobbies new hobbies are new drugs oh no i i honestly, like, we need some new hobbies. Like, I can't just continue to watch football. I mean. I can't look forward to this all week. I was actually talking to Jacqueline about this. Like, I want to move to, like, England or something.
Starting point is 00:54:18 Just completely remove myself from the situation. There's, like, zero. I'll just start a new life in england and be a soccer fan i'm a soccer fan but i'm but i'm picking the best team like we're just starting off already it's you're getting you're digging the same hole you're just gonna be wearing your red man you shirt out there cheering and with your you know pint of beer and or pint of lager, whatever, and you're just going to be pissed that they just lost to Liverpool.
Starting point is 00:54:50 So it's going to be the same problem all over again. All right, what can we do where you just don't lose? Like knitting? I can start knitting. I want to start... Make some nice scarves? Yeah, it's sweater season. It's sweater season. I want to start... Make some nice scarves? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:55:08 It's sweater season. It's sweater season. Yeah. I don't even have a comment for that. I'm just going to... Hey, follow Jack's Caps on Instagram. I'm going to get into making heads. Dude, hell yeah.
Starting point is 00:55:24 Got a bunch of new patches today. Yeah, big Buckeye fan over there. You fucker. You got a sick fucking logo. Dude, that's my 0-90. Fuck, yeah. That's my 0-90. Alright. You know?
Starting point is 00:55:40 Tell it how it is. Honestly, we'd be so happy if we just didn't play the rest of the season and just crowned Ohio State champions like don't just say this embarrassment yeah it's fine with me I'm good with that all right well we've just been going on
Starting point is 00:55:58 and on there's there was literally not one segment to this entire episode it was just like an hour long of venting and ranting so we'll let you guys go i hope you didn't make it this far honestly i i would be sad for you so all right we'll talk to you guys later this week go blue go blue god we suck at this

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