Blue By Ninety - Previewing Wisconsin | Grant Perry joins to share Harbaugh Stories, Getting Around Ann Arbor on Mopeds, and more

Episode Date: September 30, 2025

Chris Wormley and Jordan Strack are joined by Grant Perry to discuss funny Harbaugh stories, getting around Ann Arbor on a moped, and giving his thoughts on the wide receivers.

All right. Welcome into Stadium in Maine with Big Wormon Strack. I am Jordan Strack. That is Chris Wormley. We are here on episode five as the Michigan Wolverines get set to take on Wisconsin this week. Coming up on Saturday, the big new kickoff game. I have no idea why. But it is the Wolverines back home in Ann Arbor this weekend, looking to go do some damage against a Badgers team that is down in a big time way right now. They are struggling. We are teaming up this year with Blue By 90 of course we have new episodes coming out every single Tuesday throughout the football season so make sure you like and subscribe and share all of the videos worm has been putting in a ton of work editing all these videos that you see going up on instagram okay i need everybody to go share those things and like them uh because worm you're you're doing a great job and you're working really hard at it and i want people to be able to see it i mean there was one night last week i was doing a video spent two hours editing it and somehow i deleted it and then I'm sitting trying to, you know, my daughter's getting ready for school.

We're eating breakfast. I'm over editing, you know, brushing my teeth, editing this video, just trying to get it out on time. And like a lot of respect to these content creators because it is a pain in my ass to sit there and try and make this video look nice. But we got it up and running. We're learning each week. I hope the videos that people are enjoying it because I'm spending a lot of time,

more time than I thought. But the biweek was a good time to reflect and do some, you know, on these on these videos as well i just i want you to know how happy it makes me that you're learning this like i mean i've been in media and tv and editing and doing all these things for i mean i've been doing this stuff forever and i am loving that you're learning this world and uh it's been it's been awesome and i love it and it's been so good so make sure go like all these videos that worm is editing and putting up on the instagram uh because they're really good and because it's fun to to watch him. Coming up on tonight's episode, today's episode, wherever it is, we're taping

at night, you watch it whenever. We're going to look ahead to the Wisconsin game. We're going to do a big game of this or that. So basically, Worm and I are going to go back and forth on who we'd rather have from Michigan history. And I'm sure people are going to say that I'm an idiot. That's totally fine. We'll go do that. And then Grant Perry, former Michigan wide receiver is going to join us on this week's episode. So that should be fun as well. We'll get Grant on here in just a little bit. First, though, worm, let's look ahead to Wisconsin. um things right now not good for the badgers they are struggling for sure uh fans were chanting fire fickle last week when they lost to maryland the buyout is roughly 25 to 28 million

dollars for luke fickle if they want to fire him i don't know that they've got the money to be able to do that but he's on the hot seat i mean Wisconsin football is in a spot we have not seen them in in a long time yeah i mean as the as the temperature drops in wisconsin he is, his seat is getting a little hotter and hotter, which, you know, could be a good thing. Keep you, keep you nice and warm. But, yeah, we talked about this maybe a couple weeks ago with these buyouts and with NIL. Teams just don't have the money, you know, Alabama's coach DeBore was on the hot seat, even after week one. And I mean, he's turned it around really fast.

But, you know, their buyouts for, you know, dabble and those guys are $50 million plus. They don't have those type of funds when they're trying to, you know, build an NFL-type roster. But yeah, I think people had a lot of high expectations with Fickle. You know, Ohio State football player coached under, you know, Tressel for a long time. And then went to Cincinnati and had some really good success. You know, they made it to the playoffs that one year was Saw Scott Gardner and all those players. And then to get, you know, a power five, you know, power four team as a head coach now, there's a lot of expectations.

And unfortunately, he has lived up to him. But, you know, it's a long season. and I don't think he's going to be fired mid-season. Like you said, you talk about the buyout. He has, you know, a good two months to kind of turn things around. But like you said, it's hot and they're not looking too hot. And I'm excited for them to come into Ann Arbor this Saturday. So Michigan can continue to stay hot.

Yeah. So a couple things. Against Maryland, this was almost staggering to me. I've never seen a Wisconsin team that I can remember like this. last week against Maryland they had 42 rushing attempts for 61 yards that's one and a half yards of carry

we have never seen anything like that from Wisconsin that's just not who they are I know there has been some shuffle with the offensive coordinator in the system and all those things it's not good right now one and a half yards of carry at Wisconsin is not good

I mean 42 yards or 42 carries sounds like a Wisconsin team but when you have that with 61 yards and not no not anywhere near uh when you think about the guys like like rod dane who won the heisman you look at uh monte ball and melvin gordon uh you look at guys like jonathan taylor who's tearing it up still in the in the league with the colts it's like the days of wisconsin leaning on that run game and and and kind of putting their will uh and on on teams is it looks like it's over um you talked about the offensive line they're struggling a little bit kind of reshuffling here and there um are these young running

backs to blame or are you know are they not living up to their expectations but yeah when you think of wisconsin you think of smash mouth running backs you know sometimes two or three really good running backs at a time and in this season you know to start off it hasn't been that way um which which is unlike wisconsin when you when you talk about their history of how how they've been able to to win games throughout throughout their you know their history uh just a couple notes on Wisconsin things to watch out for. Vinnie Anthony, wide receiver, probably their best player, had a kick return for a touchdown at Bama. So he'll impact it on special teams as well. Offensive line, not great run blocking. That's been a struggle for sure. The defense has been

pretty good. That is a bright spot. That's been pretty good. Ricardo Hallman is their best cover corner, probably going to be a very high draft pick. They've got good linebackers. Just some of the things to look forward to if you're a Michigan fan this weekend. but this is not not that Wisconsin team that you're used to seeing all of that said all of that said they are going to have to come in and play their best game and I think they're going to be ready for the Wolverines anytime Michigan rolls comes out you know everybody's giving them their best shot yeah especially with fickle as their head coach who you know played at Ohio state he's been in in front of the big house you know multiple times at the big house

he's going to have those guys ready. He's going to have those guys fired up because their season is a make or break. You said there's not a lot more wins on this schedule for them. And they're going to come out guns ablaze and looking to put up some points, looking to make a statement and get a signature win, not just for Luke Fickle, but for the entire program

because it's tough sledding, I think, from here on out, especially if they lose against the Wolverines on Saturday. Yeah, absolutely. That's a noon kick, big noon kickoff on Fox. coming up this Saturday. Let's lift some things around here today. We'll do this or that at the end of the show. Let's get Grant Perry in now.

Is that cool with you, Worm? Yeah, let's do it. Let's add him in. Hi, Grant. How are you? Welcome in. Hey, what's going on, fellas? Good to be here.

Thanks for having me. Absolutely. Good to see you, brother. Yeah, good to see you, Worm. Appreciate you reaching out and having me come talk some ball, man. No doubt. No doubt. Sorry, I've got to work on my angle here.

I got a new camera plugged in, so I apologize. That's okay. You'll be fine. don't worry about it. So great, obviously, former Michigan wide receiver. Let everybody know what you're doing now. I know you're co-hosting a podcast. I love your ex-no breakdowns after games that we're seeing up on the Twitters.

You're doing great with that, loving that stuff. Kind of give everybody an idea what you're up to post football. Yeah, man. I will appreciate that. Appreciate the compliment. Yeah, I just always, you know, kind of post football, you know, I coached, you know, for two years. after I played at Michigan, you know, student assistant GA type of vibe or, excuse me, role. So coaching and being around the game's always been a part of me, but I stepped away,

ended up moving over to the west side of Michigan over here in Grand Rapids, you know, picked up in sales, kind of got away from football. And then I'm like, man, I'm missing something. I got to find a way back. And I got an opportunity to start doing some broadcasting on some high school games and some low-level college with Lawrence Tech. And that kind of really sparked the buzz. and as I'm, you know, talking on air and, you know, kind of describing how these plays go, I'm like, man, this is more, like when I sit in my room watching film, this is exactly how I go about things.

And it's been a fun challenge, you know, just put myself out there, you know, in the media world as well, just, you know, trying to come at the game from a different angle, but stay near it at the same time. So, you know, just trying to be around the game. And, you know, anything you see I post online, it's just something that in this room that I see, I go on, I break down like, dang, I just, I want to tell somebody about it. If somebody wants to start a conversation, let's talk ball. So that's really the motivation, you know, just trying to stay around ball and, you know, provide insight that maybe, you know, some people, you know, may find interesting. Okay. So at the beginning of the show, I talked about how Worm has gotten himself into this podcasting world. and he is starting to like edit his own clips of our show and put him out on social media

and he's doing this unbelievable job do you like the editing and the grind of going through and doing all that are you doing it yourself or do you have somebody helping you out so i don't do so for the podcast that we do on uh with believe network we don't brandon uh brown handles the most of the editing and and they do a lot of that but and i haven't but i've i've you know done some YouTube videos and done some, you know, some clips online of trying to, you know, figure out how to write on a screen, but also talk, but also make sure the voice and what you're seeing and matches up. So a lot of props to you weren't for being able to get in there, you know, under center and try to attack that man. This, I mean, I, I mean, I,

young myself was like, man, I'll never, you know, fall out of, you know, the wave of technology. Like, I'm always going to stay up. And now I'm like, I'm 10 steps behind. So I, I get I reached out to, I reached out to you, Grant, maybe two or three weeks ago. I was like, bro, like, how are you breaking down this film? Because my dumb ass, I'm screen recording on Hulu, not knowing that Hulu has some wizardry technology. And they're like, hey, sorry, kid, you can't do this. This is copyright.

I'm like, okay, shit, how am I going to figure this out? So I was trying to break down plays, you know, I was, I think it was the Oklahoma game. And there was a cover zero blitz. I really wanted to talk about it. And I just, I couldn't figure out the technology. So I just sticking to Instagram edits for now and they make it pretty user friendly. But yeah, the whole editing and voiceovers and making sure it's timed up properly is a pain. But it makes for great content.

It makes for people who might not, you know, understand coverages or, you know, route combinations and things like that for you to be able to talk about. I think it's huge for people to, who wants to, who want to learn a little bit more about the game of football? But, you know, like you said, they got jobs and they got kids and they just want to consume. instead of study that we'll leave it up to us and i'm sure you'll agree with this like as hard as it is or like as daunting as a task or like even if you complete a video then as soon as you get to publish you're like dang i already notice it like a mistake let me go ahead and restart the process like the process is hard but like it's something that you enjoy you've done your whole lot you played you know 10 plus more years than i just like you've been around it more and like i guarantee you feel

it the same way it's just like giving back but like you're also not it's just like something you want to do you're just expressing yourself and just talking ball and it comes comes easy and seeing people, you know, proud of it and, you know, getting the conversation going is, you know, kind of the benefit of that for sure. Absolutely. Absolutely. Grant, I want to ask you, um, first off, we always do this, you know, we had Chase Winnevich on, we had Mo Hearst on.

We always do this. Uh, so do you have any good Jim Harbaugh stories? Because everybody that comes on has given us something just electric. Really? Okay. Like, Chase, do you tell them what the scores are? You heard of it? Was Mo's the hamstring one?

Yeah. Harbaugh was both hamstrings. Yeah. Chase was. Chase Winovich said that Harbaugh laid on the ground under center because he wanted to watch the quarterback center exchange. So he literally laid down underneath and was looking straight up because he had to get in there himself. And that's such a hardball. Like that feels like such a harball thing.

Do you have anything good that you can share? I don't know why this is become our thing, but it is, and it's funny. Yeah, I mean, there's, you know, there's everyone that I'm sure got a story. Man, there's a lot. I'm trying to think of even like in meetings. Because, I mean, you're a receiver. So you spent a lot more time with him than, you know, us defensive guys. So like, I do remember.

This kind of came to mind. And I don't know if it's more so like maybe you had to be there. But, and Worm, do you remember Harbaugh? like if he got an idea in his head or like he wanted to do something and implement something at practice like that was the main focus he was going to bring it up to don brown or you know or jed fish at the time over like hey did we get to that like what's it looking like who we're going to put in and he got on one of those those tangents like the third week of camp i i can't remember it was 2016 or 2017 and it's been a long day and he comes in and he's like hey like

i think he taught i think he brought up alex malzone maybe and he's like hey i don't like the way you you slid right there like I want to see you and and we're sitting there like about to go home it's like 930 and sometimes when he comes in and gives those like just off in left field type of debriefs like they're enjoyable and this one was one of them like we're like tired and like fish is drilling us with all these plays so he comes in and he just starts talking to the quarterbacks the receivers are in there tight ends are in there and he just starts having everyone come down and do practice sliding drills like hey like literally slide into second base like i'm going to stand here and i'm going to judge your slide uh and we're all

going to go home once everyone has a good slide so like i'm a car in the meeting like i'll say inside the meeting room inside the meeting room right in front in the big because we we we met in this was pre-construction pre-bolling alley area we met in the full team room the receivers and quarterbacks did um so yeah he got down there and then we started to do once we all mastered that we moved on to sliding head first he's like hey sometimes you're not going to be able to slide. And I bet you remember at Wormick. I think it was at Penn State. He gave an introduction to Jake Rudolph. He's like, Jake, sometimes you got to fall forward. They're going to hit you in your mouth. You're always sliding on your butt. So then we all

started sliding head first, like no regard for our elbows. And like it was essentially AstroTurf, like sliding practice. But that's one comes in mind of just like funny off like in left field. Nothing to do with the receivers or tight ends, but we were all sliding and learn how to slide. So the receivers and tight ends had to slide too? Yes. And I could be right. It might have been just us receivers, but I feel like there was, because I was looking around laughing. We were all, like, I was, there was multiple people. So I feel like it was tight ends in there as well. But yeah, we were sliding and it took a few rotations for everyone to go through before he thought we all were sufficient.

But it couldn't even wait until the next morning, because you're talking about camp days are 6 a.m. to 830, 930 at night. He couldn't even wait. He just had to, hey, we got to figure this out. Yeah. Yeah. And we're watching like, we're watching like seven on seven. And, like, there's not even any D-Lyman, like, in it, like, no contact.

And, like, he'd do the thing where he'd like, all right, like, he says his piece, three clips go by. He's like, well, let's, you know, let's revisit that. So it was kind of one of those. And by the third or fourth, that's when we all started doing quarterback slides. Coach Fisher, just like, hey, you got to watch that. There's a lot. Yeah, that's the one that comes to mind, though, just kind of random, but silly at the same time.

And if Moed, if I didn't see Motel, that hamstring one, that was going to be the one that I told. Because I saw that firsthand. I'm sitting behind the quarterback. He comes back and he's just like, all right, just keep going. Like, I need some help. That was funny, too. Got to wear the core shorts from now on. Yeah, he was, you know, can't make the team in a tub.

Yeah. I want to go back to, you talk about when you're breaking down the film. How do you analyze that? Because when I'm watching film either for when I'm playing or, you know, when I'm watching Michigan film, my eyes were especially when it's the deep michigan's defense is out there i'm looking at the d line i'm looking at the d line and then if the replay happens or there's a big play or something good happens i'm like okay who made the play why did the play happen what was the coverage as a receiver are you looking at the receivers first are you looking at the old line play who are you looking

at when you're when you're analyzing film and kind of branching out after that yeah so i guess it kind of depends so like if i'm and i guess pre like getting into broadcasting kind of has shifted the way i kind of watch film because like once you start broadcasting You have to like literally and this kind of goes into how you watch probably, but you watch literally between the tackles for the snap. And then if it's a run, you stay there. And if it's a pass, then you kind of branch out. All right, what are the routes developing into? And that's the approach that you take with broadcasting. So when I have like live watching a game, that's where I'm eyes on the center to the tackles. And then if it looks like a play action, then I'm like, all right, what's the coverage shell? Is it too high safety? That's what I do, you know, TV copy. If I got time and I'm like going through, throughout the week. Like, I'll pull up and I'll just pull up the whole game and I'll go, you know, zero to zero, you know, first to fourth. But, you know, if I'm, if I'm crunched, I love to do cutups. Like I have a PFF account and I mean, the, the amount of work that those people do on that website is, is ridiculous. And I'm sure you're, you're well aware,

you know, Worm, that was, I know PFS is a big thing in NFL. It is in college too. And so I'll go on there. I'll do third down, fourth down. I'll sort those by coverages. I like to see, you know, did we get any cover zero looks? How do we handle those? And then I'll get into whether it's, you know, watching the quarterback throws, I'll sort his, you know, throws over 10 yards or, you know,

or play action, you know, what play actions look like to run. So, I mean, it really, it really is a broad horizon of areas I can attack. But, you know, I'd say, you know, Monday or Tuesday, when I'm going back watching the film, I'll start from start to finish for sure.

Yep. I want to ask you about Michigan's wide receiver play right now. it's been such a hot topic. Everybody's kind of has been crushing the wide receivers lately. What have you seen from the wide receivers? Is it as bad as everybody has made it out to be in your mind? Yeah, I mean, great question. And I think that's a question that it's on everyone's mind because it kind of seems like, you know, everything else is moving in the right direction. But the only thing kind of, you know, we're hitting a little speed bump, you know, when we try to, you know, throw the ball. And I do think a lot of that is on the receivers, you know, partially

because if you're Chip Lindsay and you know you got a quarterback say you're going into Lincoln right you know you you want to give him a lot of answers but you're not trying to make the plate too muddy so you're going to keep it condensed you're going to have your set of plays that you like for him so then it comes on the receiver hey we got to make plays like Channing Goodwin's ball room right off his hands in the back of the end zone beautiful ball and sometimes you can you know critique and the critique on Bryce sometimes is is velocity and does he have a second pitch, right? He's throwing those fast balls. Can he put a little loft on it? And that's going to develop. Like, he'll have that. But as a receiver right now with a young

quarterback, like those guys got to take it upon themselves. Like you always hear coaches say like, hey, if that ball is hard to catch, like go help out the quarterback. And we got to do a lot more of that. And as far as, you know, catching the football, that's one thing. I think McCulley has come on. He has shown that, hey, like I can be the guy, come to me as far as tacking the football hands, contact, being able to break tackles, love what he's doing. Making tough catch is the one versus Oklahoma. I mean, that's probably the best receiver catch we have on the year. You know, as far as though, getting open, I think that's where we're struggling.

You watch, you know, teams are going man coverage and they're keeping a guy, you know, for Bryce and then their safeties are rolled down and they're playing one-on-one's on the perimeter. And McCulley's won some of those reps, but when Bryce can't get there, if, you know, if McCulley's the first receiver, the furthest guy out, like he's got to have another option. And we saw Klein be kind of that guy, you know, week one, really kind of came on, you know, but that ankle, if you're watching the back, Nebraska, he's trying to cut and he's slipping. And it's nothing I'm not familiar with. Like, there was, you know, plenty of years when we were at Michigan Worm and receivers and

quarterback play just wasn't clicking and we couldn't get the, you know, the offense going. And it's really just about that unit. Like you've got to try to block out the noise, come together, really set goals for each other, challenge each other, really go hard, take that. that extra step in practice. You know, is the problem, you know, you know, really, really big? I don't think, I think there's guys that can get in there and make plays, but it's got to be figured out soon because, you know, it's only going to get harder from

here on out. And I think that was one of the big differences you see that Penn State Oregon game. Like, Oregon's receivers got open and the quarterback looked comfortable and he knew where we would go with the football. Like, if our guys can do the same, we'll be able to win some tough games late in the season. Yeah, I mean, definitely as the gear goes on, like they're, they can't, They're not going to just be able to rely on Bryce breaking free for a 30-yard run. They can't just rely on Justice Hange and Marshall in the backfield.

While those three have been the best players on the offense so far, the receivers have to step up. They have to continue to grow and make plays. Because with a guy like McCulley, who came over from, I think, Indiana, there was a lot of hype from him. Marsh had kind of a few splashes. I think it was maybe the Central Michigan game. And Samaj Morgan's been there and it's kind of been, you know, that kind of slot guy that you were at Michigan to make those kind of, you know, crossing routes or we're even going to call them the underneath type stuff to kind of break free with some of those kind of deep balls that, you know, those other receivers can make.

But, yeah, I think over the next three or four weeks, they have to continue to improve. And I guess that kind of leads into my next thing is two weeks ago when they played Nebraska. I thought the front seven of the defense and really the defensive line kind of had their coming out party. Seven sacks. Obviously, Barham's been phenomenal all year and continued that. I thought the young linebackers played really well. Derek Moore continued. I said he had his coming out party.

I thought he played really well, got pressure, got a sack and a half. Who do you think or who are you looking for as a position group? I mean, for me, my answer would be the receivers. Who are you looking to take that next step? and solidify themselves as, you know, coach Brown back in the day used to call them the dudes, you know, what type of position group or who in, what position group do you see taking that,

that next step and kind of being the leader on the team? Yeah, for sure. And I'm going to agree with you. I'm going to go with the receivers, but just to kind of piggyback on what you said, I completely agree. Last, you know, first Nebraska, that front seven played fantastic, man.

Whether it was the run or the, you know, the rushing the passer. I think it was 49 sack yard. We had 49 yards in sacks on Rayola and we gave up 43 rushing yards. And I know those two stats kind of coincide, but it's pretty impressive of how we were able to box him in. But when I'm looking forward to this week in a potential group to break out, obviously it's receivers are kind of standing out as far as a group that needs to pick

it up. And I think this is a good week to do it. I wrote down some stats here. or, you know, for Wisconsin, they defensively, sorry, here, I got my notes mixed up, the rush pass, like 240, 233, let me slow down here, 234 yards again given up. Like that, like, there's potential in that. They are also down there starting safety, Preston, Zachman, I believe, who leads the team in interceptions.

You know, offensively, there's a lot of question marks as far as quarterback playing for, you know, for them. But for us, I think this is a great matchup. I think, one, they're going to try to play Nebraska football and stop, not Nebraska, sorry, Wisconsin football and try to load the box and stop the run. You know, that's what we saw. When we played there, man, those linebackers that ended up sprinkling in the NFL everywhere, like those guys were around the line of scrimmage. They're playing physical, you know, they played that three, four, that just physical Wisconsin football. And I think it's a little bit of what they've gotten away from and why have they struggled.

But receivers are going to wake up this game. Hopefully, that's my hope. And I believe this is a game to do it. We saw freshman quarterback at Maryland have a lot of success in Wisconsin versus these guys through the air. Two touchdowns, I believe it was. Alabama at home, I mean, had a field day. So I think there's an opportunity for us to kind of get a little bit of rhythm on offense as far as the past game. You know, because, I mean, the major component of the past game is being able to run the football, right?

Get those safeties low. Let's get one-on-one coverage on the perimeter and let's win. So those guys got to win this week. And I think if they have a good week, it's going to kind of roll, you know, a little bit of a snowball effect, hopefully here into the next few. weeks. Yeah, and where I kind of talked about this at the very beginning of the show, Wisconsin, you're so used to them being able to line up and run the football. And last week against Maryland, 42 rushing attempts, only 61 yards. I mean, they're averaging one and a half yards per carry. And for Wisconsin, that's not, we've never seen that. Like, as long as I've been

alive, I'm 40 years old and I can't remember a time where they can't run the football. it's a little bit shocking to watch this Wisconsin team. They're not the same team that we have seen over the years. No, it's, you know, it's not. And I wonder how they're feeling about the departure and the divorce with Paul Chris. Because like when they had him, I mean, they were, and I know there was the East and West divisions and that somewhat helped out Wisconsin. But like, they had their identity back then.

I mean, I watched Jonathan Taylor run for 200, 150 yards on us, just running past safeties and just watched them, you know, yesterday do that against NFL teams. So like they've gotten a little bit away from that. And I think they used to benefit off of, hey, we're this kind of Midwestern planes. Like we're going to, you know, piggyback on big linemen on both offense and defense. And then we're going to have a great run game. And now our quarterback may not be a five star or, you know, our receivers may not be five stars. But when the run game's clicking, we're able to have a quarterback combined completions,

keep the offense moving and kind of a pro style type of attack. And they've kind of gotten away from that. you know, with Luke Fickle and company, it's more of that, that, you know, kind of 21st century offense where it's kind of RPO's and trying to give the quarterback answers. And I think that's hurt them. And I think we're seeing that. You know, I think obviously the question looming is Luke Fickle and what's his, his trajectory or, you know, time remaining.

And, you know, I think, you know, we've got to wait and see it play out, but it's not looking great. All right. I'm going to ask you, let's have some fun stuff here. uh if you were playing in today's day and age of nil and you were able to get a bag while you were at michigan uh how responsible would you have been with your money that's a that's a great question um i would like to say i like my parents were very involved with like i would tell them like they would definitely be involved with my deals and and whatnot like can't be out

here just running around making deals by myself i think if that was the case it'd be bad ball so Thankfully, the parents would be, you know, in the, in the, no, and they would have say on what I was doing. But I'd say probably 70% responsible. And then you have that 30% of, hey, let's, let's have some fun. But that's also me saying that now and I've, you know, had a few years post-college to mature and whatnot. So maybe 60-40. What would have been something stupid that you would have purchased? The upstairs of skips?

I would, I would have rented out skeeps upstairs. Yeah, yeah. We had a player do that, actually, when we were playing there. um yeah that something like that i would probably bought you know some some you know some some some some some gatorades for for the guys you know after a good win or something um probably another moped my moped was real shy probably we got a nice moped or even you know try to get a little car or something you know i would at least had a you know a good lease deal that's what i i feel like i was worth at least a lease from a dealership you know you were a

moped guy yeah yeah for a few years there i would have loved to have seen warms big ass on a moped. I had one. Wait, did you really? I feel like I've seen you on a moped firm. Yeah, oh yeah. I had one and I was coming down on one of the streets on campus and this lady pulled

out from like the side. She was parked on the side, parallel parked and pulled out in front of me. And I'm cruising. You know, those, I was probably going like 20 miles an hour because I was 300 pounds and they, those things probably were met for like 175 pound players. But so I'm going down the street and this lady cuts me off. And instead of like just rear ending her and flipping over, I don't. dove and my axle was all messed up and I was spraying my wrist right before the Michigan

State game had cast. Did you really? Yeah, there was like three or four accidents in that span, like a two or three weeks span and Coach Hoke flipped out and was like if there's one more accident, like taking all the scooters away and some of those scooters are pretty nice. You know, there were some three. I had a little $800 one that I got from, I forget what his name was. Yeah, yeah, that's where I got mine from.

be a scooter john had the VIPs and uh he anyways but i i totaled it and i didn't have enough money to buy another one and i didn't have insurance because it was a moped and michigan has no fault insurance so the lady got off scot free and that was the end of my my moped experience but i loved a lot a lot of the mopeds like they just tend to find their final parking spot and just kind of stay there until someone else moves it like i just rough the way yeah speaking of moped i got a quick funny story on that. So I'm, and it involves Winovich. So I'm leaving, not really Winovich, but I'm leaving his apartment. This is when he lived at South East, West Quad. West is across from South. He was at West, and he was getting the Floyd, he was getting a Cona McGregory

UFC fight. And we were coming back from a game. I forget what game, but he's like, anyone who wants to come, come and watch. I went over and watch. I live right across the street in South. So after I'm leaving, it's like probably one, 120, like those fights end late. So I'm leaving i'm walking back to south and it's like it's colder out too and i see a moped zooming down right right past like behind me on the street and then it just wipes out i'm like oh shit like i run over to like check and it's it's rubin jones and he's like bro like i just hit that ice man like i'm a miami kid too he didn't hear no idea we're going way too fast for that that michigan sleet like just thought he was in miami basically bad ball yeah so that that

That's my funny moped story there. I love this, man. See, this is, this is the stuff that people want. Like, we can go X's and O's or whatever. Like, we do that all day. But I like the good, funny Michigan story. I mean, listen, I don't need you guys getting yourselves canceled on the pod. But, like, you know, at least giving us some good stories.

Like, yeah. Yeah, yeah, some good insights, some good laughs. Yeah, that's what the people want. Worm, you gave us a great apartment story back in, like, well, episode two or one. I don't know you gave us some good up uh oh oh your your your your uh lip tattoo that's what it was that was a dorm story that was a dorm story yeah that's what it was and you know what we never did is you never even showed the people on the pod your stupid your stupid look tattoo uh i think uh show the picture i think the picture is already out there i don't know if uh if people really want to see that you know

oh they do i don't know if i don't know if i want to show them oh you get a chart for that worm that that's extra that's you know that's it's a lot content i blame sione homa and brian mona because their their cousin came and he was giving out $20 tattoo so i remember that i'll show it oh yes here we go there we go here we go big worm that's sweet that is uh that is that is that is my $20 tattoo in the dorm room and that's a college that's like it was yeah it's supposed to be gone seven years ago and it's still here and i don't think think it's going anywhere anytime soon so i was just say i thought that the they said it like it used to disappear after all because five or six people had them i'm like dang you got one too wow

yeah so every time the only time i really noticed it was when i go to the dentist and the the hygienist is like in my mouth and she's like oh nice tattoo i'm like huh oh yeah i have this stupid ass tattoo from back 2014 that's hilarious so thank you jordan thanks for reminding me that oh man listen this is so good and the screen grab that we're going to be able to grab of that it's going to be it's going to be great that's how you get clicks right there baby that's right that's what this world's about grant and chris you guys are learning media world it's all about the clicks it's all about the clicks impressions chris impressions people people people need those yeah exactly uh all right let's finish this thing up uh we'll let grant get out of here and go enjoy the rest of his

night um give us uh an idea what we're looking at this saturday michigan wisconsin do you have a prediction that you would like to give us? Yeah. Well, I usually like to look at the lines at Vegas sets. Like, that's where I kind of'm like, all right, let's see what like these mind readers know because like they get way too close, way too often. It's so good. Scary, isn't it? Like who, like what computers generate in these numbers and I get access, please? But no, so it's like 16 or 15 and a half, I think. I think I like our chance. I think we probably win by three scores. I think Wisconsin is going to walk into Ann Arbor. we're pretty banged up. Billy Edwards came back last week, but also left again.

Coach Fickle said that they felt like they rushed him back. They didn't protect them. So if you come out and saying that, you probably are going to lean on the side of not playing him the following week, but we'll see with that by week they just had. Danny O'Neill, their backup quarterback who's played a lot of this season is also left last game and is also questionable, really no answer on him yet. So they possibly run their third-street quarterback. That doesn't really bode well, you know, going against a week Martindale defense. I think they're running back.

They're starting to run back, Dylan Jones is also questionable. He left last week. I mentioned their safety as well. And you just sprinkle in already kind of what they've done and who they are. Statistics-wise, you know, I think Michigan, you know, has an advantage. You always got to worry about coming off a biweek and hopefully the boys are sped up and not kind of still moving in mud or, you know, kind of getting that dust off. You know, but if, you know, I like Michigan this one.

I'm going to say by three scores at least. All right. Perfect. Hey, we appreciate you coming on, man. This was fun. Yeah, man. Thanks for having me. I appreciate it. And give the people one more time. Where can they find all your stuff that you're doing right now so people can follow you? Yeah, for sure. Yeah, we're doing a Big Ten podcast on Believe Sports Network. And then we're also doing a Michigan podcast, Believe in Michigan and Believe in the Big Ten. I believe that's the names of them on Believe Sports Network. So yeah, check us out. And, you know, love to have you guys on as well. Did a little flip-flop here.

you know, return the favor. So looking forward to us. Yeah, we'll definitely hop on, talk a little ball later in the season. But yeah, Grant, thanks for hopping on, brother. Appreciate your insight. Appreciate you giving some plenty hard boss stories. Those are always great. But yeah, brother, go blue. And I'm excited to continue to watch these boys this season. They've been playing well, but always good to have your insight and knowledge. So thank you, brother. Yeah, I appreciate it, Worm. And thanks for having me, man. Let's go get them this weekend. Let's come out of the bye week. Let's feel good. Let's come out here and you'll kind of kick them all

they're down, if you will, respectfully. And I'll talk with you fellows later on this year. All right. Sounds good. That's Grant Perry, former Michigan wide receiver now turned media guy. He's, he's good. On Twitter, you click on his bio and go find all the stuff he's doing. All right, worm, as we wrap this show up today, we're going to do a little this or that. Basically, we're going to go through. And we're going to, you're going to have a choice between

some Michigan legends, and you and I will both go through, and we'll pick which one you want. Now, just for clarity sake, these are not the, the, you know, greatest players at their individual position. So if we're looking at cornerback, Charles Woodson is not on here. So just to give everybody an idea what we're kind of, I mean, that would be too easy, right? Like if Charles Wilson's on there versus anybody, it's, it's, it's, it's weird. That'd be boring this yet. There's no debating.

All right. Let's start with the, if you had your choice of head coach, are you taking Jim Harbaugh or Lloyd Carr? I'll let you go first on this. I grew up watching, you know, the Lloyd Carr era was when I started watching Michigan football, all that good stuff. But I played for Harbaugh. I've seen what he's done, not just at Michigan, but everywhere from the scheme to the culture to really revamping every program that he's been at. I got to go, Coach Harbaugh. when he came to Michigan, he inherited, I mean, he inherited me, but like, you know, a bunch of players that were looking for someone to lead them, to change the culture. And he did that. So I got to go coach Harbaugh on that. Love Coach Carr and what he did for the pro, obviously won national championship. But I got to go Harbaugh on that one. What do you say?

I'm, so I grew up smack dab in the middle of the Lloyd Carr era. I watched Michigan dominate Ohio State when I was a kid. And I love Lloyd Carr. It's Jim Harbaugh. And Colin Cowherd said this a couple weeks back, and I thought it was really interesting. He said that Jim Harbaugh is the best, is going to be potentially, the best football coach. He said he is, I say potentially, he said he is the best football coach of all time. And, I mean, those are big, big time words. He wins a Super Bowl.

I think you have to make the case. I don't know how you can. I mean, he's in the conversation. I'm going to go Jim Harbaugh as well. All right, how about quarterback here? Chad Hennie or J.J. McCarthy, I'm going first on this one. You know where I'm going because J.J. is on my Mount Rushmore. All right, all right.

JJ's on my Mount Rushmore. I love Chad Hennie. Again, you know, it was a big part of me falling in love with Michigan football. I'm going J.J. McCarthy. You know how I feel about him. He went 27 and 1 as a starter. I feel like he changed the culture. Chad Hennie was close, very close.

And if there was a 12-team playoff, we would have seen that Michigan team get a real shot and maybe go down in Infamy. They didn't. J.G. McCarthy did, so I'll go. I'll go, JJ. Go ahead. I don't know if I'm doing this just because I was, you know, want to go against you or what, but I got to go, Chad Henney.

I think when I watched Chad Henney back in the day, I thought he could lead a coach. They could put the ball in his hands. They could drive down the field, make the passes, make the big players down the field. Yeah. And not saying that JJ can't, but a lot of the times JJ played with the lead. A lot of times JJ had Corm in the backfield to lean on. And not to say that Henny didn't have great running backs, but I got to go Chad Henney

simply because I think that he could lead. When I look at a quarterback that can lead a comeback, I want the ball in Chad Henney's hands. All right. I'll take the guy that went 27 and 1. it's fine it's no big deal uh all right running back it's a team sport it's a team sport it's yeah it's you know edin hutchinson and it's it's mikey sanders still and it's well john john yeah yeah yeah jim harbaugh exactly yeah it is that's fine i'm with you uh all right let's go running back are you with me no uh running back here

blake quorum or mike hart now this is a really talk this i'm not i'm not lying to you this is a tough one because mike heart to me is he's one of the goats but go ahead I'll let you go first Mike Hart or Blake Corum two light skins two light skin running backs

you know if you got a light skin Mount Rushmore those two are definitely on there for Michigan football but I'm race race aside skin color aside even though they're both light skin I'm going Mike Hart

Mike Hart back in the day could rush 50 times in a game I know 50 times so not to say that Corum couldn't and you know I'm going back and forth and saying, oh, you know, maybe Corum could, but Mike Hart was durable. You know, Corum's had a couple injuries. Mike Hart could rush the ball, run the ball 50 times, and really put the team on his back.

I like Mike Hart. I mean, they look very similar when you look at them. Like from a, they're both smaller statured running backs, you know, the big legs, the way they were able to, you know, they could carry a team. I'm going to go Blake Corum. I will go Blake Quorum simply because he did. He won the national championship. He was a guy who had a ton of accolades

towards the end there, but I will go Blake Corum. You can take Mike Hart. I love, I love Mike Hart. Love. My favorite Michigan running back of all time, just favorite running back of all time, was actually Anthony Thomas. But Blake Quorum to me was still, I had him on my Mount Rushmore too.

How about offensive line here? two guys that are kind of similar players. Big left tackles, Jake Long or Taylor Lawan. I'll go first on this one. I'm going Jake Long. I think in that era, with that group, you know, those guys all kind of stuck together and all those things. I loved watching Jake.

He was a prototypical left tackle masher. I mean, he was a guy who had a great NFL career, sort of Taylor LeWan. but Jake Long just kind of felt like a Michigan man. I mean, he just kind of felt like a guy who is, he was built to go to Michigan and play left tackle there. And so I'll go Jake Long. Yeah, this was probably maybe the hardest one when I was looking at

and thinking about it because both high draft picks. I mean, I had Jake Long on my Mount Rushmore. So I'm going to go Jake Long, but both crazy athletic for their size, how they can move, how they, how they pack. set, how they run block, like you said, prototypical left tackles where they are passing, protecting the blind side of the quarterback and then also can get dirty and run block.

But I got to go Jake Long. I just think that, especially in that era of football, that era of Michigan football where they're gritty, they're getting after it. You know, Taylor LeWan was, I'd say it wasn't, obviously I love Taylor and I was a team in his for two years, but he was in that kind of rich rod area with a lot of pass. is a lot of, you know, a lot of spread offense.

Jake Long is, I think the guy that I, that I've looked, when I think about Michigan, O'Lahman, I think of Jake Long, and I had it on my Mount Rushmore, so I'm taking Jake Long. Yeah, I'm with you. I understand that one. All right, let's go, we can speed this thing up a little bit. Tight end, Jake Butt or Colston Loveland? Go ahead, do you first?

I mean, you see it, right? You see him up there? Oh, yeah. I got to go Jake, but let me put that. I got to go, I got to go Jake butt. That's such a nice. humble brag you've got there with all the your jersey wall there's some good there's some good names up there

yeah but when when i when i think of uh i think jake would agree with me too is like coast and loving way better athlete like faster stronger bigger but jake had a had a way of finding the open areas he had a way of uh he was like kind of like a almost like a basketball player out there playing playing football he uh wasn't the biggest necessarily strongest, but he knew how to get open. He knew how to make the most plays and get open. He was a Mackey Award winner, I think twice maybe, at least once he was, as best tight end in college football. I got to give it to him, although I love Colston Loveland and what he did, but I think Jake just had, Jake had more long, Jake did it for four years,

too, at Michigan. Colston, I think it was maybe only two or three, but Jake, from the moment he stepped on campus, he was a safety blanket for the quarterback and continued to progress each year, and I got to give it to Jake. Yeah, Mackey Award winner in 16. I had to go look that up real quick while we were sitting here. I'm going to go Jake Butt, too. I would have loved to have seen a full career for Colston Loveland at Michigan. I think I would have loved to have seen how it would have played out if we would

have seen the entire thing because I think he probably would have been the greatest tight end in Michigan history if we had seen a full set. we didn't get to see the whole thing from him and i i love him love his skill set he's an unbelievable player but i'm going jake butt uh wide receiver this one was this one was maybe the easiest one for me uh on the list uh just because there's some nostalgia here for me it's nico collins or braylin edwards to me braylin edwards it i don't that one's not hard uh i didn't have to debate on that one at all i love nego collins again it would have loved to have seen a little bit longer, a little bit more.

Brailin Edwards to me is one of the greatest receivers in Michigan history. The number one, the all of it, I, Braille and Edwards to me. Yeah, I agree too. I would have loved for Nico to have a quarterback at Michigan. I too, yeah. Like Braylin had, you know, and I would have loved to see what he would have been able to and, I mean, you even think going off of just the this or that, but like Donovan's People's Jones, like, I wonder what those two guys would have done

with a legit NFL quarterback at Michigan. I didn't get to see that. But hopefully Braylon, it's not even nostalgia. It's just pure facts. I think Nico's having a better NFL career than Braylon did. That's true. At Michigan, as a college player, I mean, at least of the 21st century is the best Michigan receiver

to play in the last 25 years. So I got to give it to Braylin. I'm with the other. All right, let's go to the defense, and we can go through these kind of quick. On edge. Whoa, whoa, whoa, no love for them. We're not going to spend time talking about the defense, showing them love, breaking down, you know, what makes them great. Yeah, no, we can. We can.

I know you got to go to bed. You hit 40. You're getting older. Yeah, man. It's getting late here. All right, whatever. Let's just, let's roll it. Let's roll it.

I'm kidding. All right. Edge. Aidan Hutchinson or Rishon Gary. this is an interesting one for me do you remember the hype that rishon gary came in with i i mean yes i mean it was i was scared i was scared for my job i'm not going to lie really i don't think i've ever even really talked about this but there was a time where interesting please do uh willie henry was uh de limine that came came uh came uh in with me to michigan he was thinking of either leaving

for the the draft or coming back for our fifth year and he decided to leave and while he was thinking about that where Sean was coming in and I'm like man is this guy going to like you know he's the number one recruit he's got all these and I was I had I had the chance to leave too my you know my fourth year I was I had a chance to leave for the NFL and I got you know my grade back and it was like fourth or fifth round or something like I was like I'll come back get my degree all that I wanted to beat Ohio State I wanted to win a big 10 championship all those stuff that you want as a Michigan player uh and then Michan comes in I'm like damn like are they going to play him over me like what this what what what is this going to what is this going to look like because i knew he was going to be you know a stud and uh they the michigan coaches maybe put on weight to play more inside once will he decided to leave so i thought i was going to be more of a three tech slash you know nose tackle uh you know fast forward whatever like rshawn was you know essentially my backup and now he's you know he's making a lot more money than i ever made in the NFL he's you know he's double-digit sacks he's all this stuff and like i saw that as as a as a fifth i'm like damn this kid

it's going to be something special. All that to say, I'm still taking Aden. I'm still taking Aiden. You just built that whole thing. Not in like, we talk about it, you know, he's on Mount Rushmore, Michigan football players. He, you said J.J. changed the culture. I'm saying Aiden Hutchinson changed the culture at Michigan in terms of getting over that hump.

And I think they both have, you know, they have a good argument for, you know, both players. but I'm taking Aiden Hutchinson. I thought back and then, I don't think they used Roshan to his full advantage in terms of he played like a six technique, like me, and he's not a six technique. He's a hand in the dirt, a third down pass rusher, but can stand up and play outside linebacker like he's doing against

or like he's doing in Green Bay. So I thought he didn't get his due. He was getting triple team, double teamed all that back in Michigan. So maybe that makes it a little bit. interesting in terms of what he would have done if they would have put him in the in the in the correct position but i'm still taking aiden i love i love it's my my biggest beef for those years what they did to rishon gary uh he was a freak an absolute freak and we're seeing it in the nfl now and i don't feel like his full potential was utilized while he was at michigan and

that's i i to me that's it's one of my biggest gripes over the last two decades is what they did there. I'm going to take Hutch simply because of the way that, like, when they're, you know, I go back to the Ohio State game and, you know, the snow is coming down. And I think about that day in the way he took over, you know, he put, he put the left tackle on skates on the one viral clip that you see forever. The end of that game, there was no damn way Michigan was losing because of him. I mean he he he just said there's no chance we're losing this thing we're not it's like a fairy tale

like a football sports fairy tale you know like it literally was I remember I was on the sideline for that game and I remember you know the cold and the snow and the the feeling in that building and it was like it was the most bizarre atmosphere I'd ever been in because you could still feel throughout the whole stadium, 110,000 people. There was a nervous energy until the very end. I mean, no one felt good. Even with Michigan up late, nobody felt good. And it was like one of those things where you just kept thinking,

oh God, please don't screw this up. And when they did, the way that that place exhaled and then everybody runs out of the field, it was one of the more surreal feelings ever. And, yeah, and Hutch took that game over completely and dominated the end of it. And it was, it was an incredible, incredible day. And he had an incredible career. So, yeah, I'll go with you on Hutch.

What about DJ McCarthy that game? Where was, Cade McNamara was starting that game. Sorry. How could you sit and hey, hey, and guess what? JJ could have started that year too and done a lot of what was done in that year. I will say that situation. is very much so, like the situation last year in Texas with Quinn Ewers and Arch Manning. It's like, JJ probably should have been starting since his freshman year, you know?

So like, I joke and poke at that, but Aiden was out there and McCarthy wasn't. He was. Never mean, never mind the, you know, the end of it. But anyway, it's all good. We'll ignore. We'll keep moving on here. Let's move on to linebacker. This was a, this was kind of an interesting one for me.

David Harris. or Devin Bush. My initial thought, I was going David Harris. And then I changed it. As I started thinking about it a little bit more, Devin Bush was Big Ten defensive player of the year in 2018, linebacker of the year,

two-time first team, all Big Ten. And I remember thinking back to, you know, you think about the Michigan State game, you know, he had the famous, day at the Michigan State game. He was a game wrecker. I mean, he was a guy that, like, he didn't care about his body.

He just would launch himself and put everything on the line. I'm going to go Devin Bush. I originally, when I first looked at this list, I thought David Harris. And then I changed my mind. I'm going Devin Bush. Are you sure you see?

You see, you see my sure. That's where I landed. That's where I landed. I wasn't sure. I wasn't. I changed my mind. All right. I'm going David Harris.

When you think of, when you think of Big Ten linebacker, it's David Harris. He's got the thick neck. He doesn't say a whole lot. He just plays ball. And Devin, Devin was, Devin maybe should be a safety. He's like 510, 220 pounds.

David's like 6.3, 240. like he's just like prototypical middle linebacker I loved watching when he was at Michigan I loved the style that he played with but obviously David's first rounder Devon's first rounder all those things those matter

but when I look when I think of linebacker in the big 10 I think of Dave Harris yeah that was a tough one I'll be honestly I went back and forth on that that was a good one yeah all right let's go to we're going to go to corners and this is Jordan Lewis versus Mikey Sainer still.

So Mikey was a, was not a normal typical like shutdown corner. Jordan Lewis was more of that. Like your prototypical like guy on an island. Mikey kind of evolved. Obviously he made the position change and switched over. I don't know what I want to do on this one. I don't. Mikey to me is one of the all-time.

like guys at Michigan. Like when you think of like, I don't know, you just think of like legendary guys at Michigan, what Mikey Sainer still did, the way that he switched positions, and you think about a guy giving it up for the team, the team, the team.

Mikey's that guy. The play he made at Ohio State in the end zone where he goes up and breaks that ball up, that's a moment. That's something that'll go to. It's a moment. forever. I don't know. You go first and then I'll pick on this one. I went Jordan Lewis and I think

I went with Jordan. I played with Jordan for four years. I saw him a lot more. I think you're right in terms of Mikey being like that. He had that moment and Jordan had that moment too against Wisconsin in 2016 with the one-handed pick to kind of seal the game. But that moment against Ohio State it's huge. I think people remember that for decades to come. What you do against Ohio State counts for a lot. A lot. Yeah. It just does. Yeah. But in terms

like you said, of shut down corner, I remember when we would game plan and they would give Jordan the best receiver. He would travel with the best receivers from Ohio State from, you know, Michigan State back and then when they had some good receivers. Jordan traveled

and wanted that smoke. And I don't know if like you did or not, but I got to go, Jordan, just because I saw what he did week in and week out for four years. It was a good player for a long time for Michigan when he was there. I guess if it comes down to like a pure corner that has to cover the other team's best player, then yeah, you're going Jordan Lewis. But if you're talking about like a guy, I think, I mean, Mikey Sanders still had the pick in the national championship game.

Um, Mikey, he did a lot and was another one of those program changers. I think about the guys that were, you know, I, I think are program changers. It was Hutch. It was Blake Corum. It was JJ. And it was Mikey Sainer still. Like those were program changers. Um, in terms of pure cornered talent, I'll go Jordan Lewis.

But Mikey was a dude. He really was. So who are you choosing? Who are you choosing? I'll go Jordan Lewis with. you okay in terms of a pure corner yep uh all right safety gibbrile peppers or dax hill hill came in as a five-star guy had a ton and so did gibral peppers you remember jabrille had the the announcement on the spn and all those things and he was a incredible town

he did stuff on he did stuff on offense and special teams that we haven't seen from from other guys i still felt like and i do to this day, I felt like there was more in the tank at Michigan for Gibral Peppers. Oh, yeah. I think there was, I think there was more in the tank. And I, I have always, he's another one of those guys like Rashon Gary, who came in with all the hype and all those things. Same high school, too.

He brings in the same high school. Yeah, yep, yeah, in Jersey. I'll go Gibral Peppers, but Dax Hill was a really good player, too. I'm going to go, I play with, you know, I play with Gibral for three years. and was on the defense when he was a Heisman finalist. But he didn't play safety during that year. He was more of like the, I think we called it a viper back then. He was next to me as like an outside linebacker.

Like I'm taking up double teams and he's, you know, free making TFLs or whatever. As a pure like safety, I think I'm going to go Dax Hill. Just based off of his play as a pure safety and the way that he could cover and the way you could come down and play the run, I'm going to go Dax Hill. I mean, if you're talking about just pure player, I would go Gibreel. Right. That's kind of what I did, I think, yeah. Yeah, I'm going to go Daxhill on this.

All right, last one, friend of the program, Moherst. Somewhere down here, there is. Yeah, go ahead. You're another humble brag from Worm. But, but I got a good rotation going on. And Brandon Graham actually is one of my all-time favorite players. I love Brandon Graham. the way that he would chirp in the NFL, like, if, if I get, if I,

if I, if I, if I, if we get Brandon Graham on the, on the pod this year or years to come, are you going to have, I have, I have a story from him personally that like, he got me. So like, I'll save it, I'll save it for then, but we'll talk about it. We'll talk about it. Okay. Well, you're the guy that it's pulling the guest. So like, flex the muscle and get us Brandon Graham. Yeah.

Because we want to, I want to hear it. And I want to just hear him talk ball. Because he's one of my all-time favorites. Love him. Anyway, back to the thing at hand. This or that defensive line. Mo Hearst or Chris Jenkins. Chris Jenkins, again, was part of that national title group.

I'm going to go Mo Hearst, though. I think the accolades, the player, the attention that he drew, I'll go Mo Hurst. I don't think, I think Mo was more of a guy that teams were like always thinking about. Not saying that Chris Jenkins was forgotten, I just think other teams were more focused on Mo Hurst when they played against Michigan. I'll go, I'll go Mo. Yeah, I mean, not only is he one of my best friends, but I think his career in Michigan was overall.

And the crazy thing is Mo didn't start until his senior year. Yeah. And he became an All-American. But he made impact plays from the time he was a freshman all the way through, his career. I love the way that Chris Jenkins plays. I think he plays similar to how I played and now in the NFL. I think he's having a hell of a career already as just a second year. But we talk about college, you talk about the accolades. You talk about how teams had to game plan against a certain player. People paid a lot of attention and a lot of focus and a lot of

scheme, schemed up plays to run away from Mo, to double team Mo to really try and take him out of the game and especially that last year in 2017 they didn't do a great job with that mo like i said he was an all-american and uh i'm gonna go mo on this one all right that was fun uh this is our our longest show yet of course and we did it on a by week where we didn't even have to a game to break down or anything uh we're over an hour today so hopefully somebody stuck around uh if anybody stuck around for the full hour we appreciate it uh i hope they did i thought it was fun. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Grant was great. Grant gave us a good perspective. And then this or that was good as well. So hopefully people tuned in. Hopefully people, you know, comment who they would have

chose and keep, keep get the conversation going. Yeah, absolutely. All right. Michigan plays Wisconsin this week coming up Saturday. Big noon kickoff in Ann Arbor. And we're looking forward to Michigan trying to pick up another wind coming off the buy. We will be back here next week. Remember Tuesday we drop new episodes here of stadium in may with big worm and strack we appreciate you all sticking around this week and we will see you back here next week make sure you like and subscribe and share all the things on instagram that worms working so hard on please just make it feel good yeah make him feel good give them some shares all right worm we'll see you back here next week yes sir go blue go blue