Blurry Creatures - Conspiracy Theories, Time Travel & The Future of Humanity with Ninjas Are Butterflies

Episode Date: June 26, 2026

It got lost. Now it is back. This is the first episode we ever recorded in our new studio, a full crossover with Ninjas Are Butterflies, and we are dropping it from the archives to celebrate their 200th episode release. What follows is a full episode with the #1 Comedy Podcast in Barbados, recorded, buried, and recently recovered from the Blurry Creatures archives. In true NAB fashion, it's: Party shirts. A song written an hour before tape. A warning that the whole thing is about to get flagged. And the energy of five guys who clearly should not be allowed in a basement together. Josh, Andy, and Andrew join Blurry for a wide-ranging conversation that hits everything from Graham Hancock's Ancient Apocalypse to the megalithic mysteries of Peru and beyond. The crew digs into the connection between the Watchers of Genesis 6, the Book of Enoch, and the "enlightened travelers" Hancock describes. From there, we walk through a list of conspiracy theories that have been proven true, from the Tuskegee experiments and Operation Paperclip to MKUltra and Operation Northwoods, and we unpack what that track record means for the world we're living in now. The conversation lands on future predictions, transhumanism, Neuralink, the coming Great Deception, and why the peace of Christ is the only thing that holds when everything else is shaking. What was lost is now found, and an episode for the ages. Congrats on 200 episodes, NAB. This Episode is Sponsored By: http://blurrygold.com/ — Get a FREE Gold & Silver Kit while supplies last! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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ancient aliens? Where did they go? Do they change their strategy over time? Our world changes. They have to change as well. They have to adapt. The Temple Mount, they have these huge stones. Solomon, was he given the wisdom to create these mega structures, putting these giant blocks into place? The secret societies that we see now, the Masons, the Illuminati, they are charged with carrying this sacred knowledge. Congratulations to our pals and Ninjas our butterflies are hitting 200 episodes. It's no small task.

We know. It takes a lot to stay in these rabbit holes. We're going to talk about conspiracy theories, time travel, AI, and the future of humanity with some of our best pals, Andrew, Andy and Josh, straight from the blurry vault. It was lost, but now it's found. In honor of 200 episodes are given to you right now. The history of our Earth is so different from what we can imagine.

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That's a big deal. Welcome back to blurry creatures. Luke, we're not starting a band, but you know, here we are in the basement. How you feeling? Oh, you know, back in our era. A lot of bands started in the basement. That's right. This is where you picked it up. Played some hits. You weren't like pushing buttons and doing electronic

guitar sounds, electronic keyboard. I can see you. Bigfoot shining in the sun. You know, we have, we could put out some albums. We could put out a blurry album. Well, I mean, is it better or worse than summer snow? Your first fan. Backstreet blurries.

Backstreet blurries, dude. We're excited, but we, uh, who's our guest today? We got some guys. It's good to be back in studio. I don't, do we have a guest? I don't, I don't think they have it yet. Well, hopefully they come through the portal. Mr.

Henry. Oh. We went out to collect all the eggs, but the coyote store. They were all gone. We don't know what to do no more. Hey, are those ninjas are butterflies guys? Can we come in? Come on in.

Come on in. Come on. Yes. Welcome to the podcast. Welcome to the podcast. Welcome, Minches are. Butterfly. I think Andrew's taking the elevator. Yeah, he is.

Andrew's here? Here. Well, I'm going to give it to you. I don't think Andrew can make it. I think you guys are known for playing songs. So here you go. There he is. Where am I?

Andrew slept in here underneath the set. Yeah. Andrew spent the night last night and we played duck hunt until about four in the morning. In a basement with a window. Let's be on a hill. Well, these guys couldn't come over. Their mom wouldn't let him sleep over. So Andrew, Andrew, get the high score for duck hunt.

Never seen anybody do that well. I looked at Nana and said, if you asked my mom, she'll say yes, but you have to ask her for us. Well, welcome the Boy of Creatures Podcast, Luke. This is awesome. We were in your guys's studio down in Florida. We wore our party shirts to invite you up to Tennessee to do an episode live and in person. I missed the memo, but dude, look at this studio. Yeah, dude.

It's so fun. The Pizza Hut lamp is definitely the cherry on top. Yeah, it is crazy. You guys want to eat some Doritos from 85? Please. A couple bags, all right. I'm like botulism. It's okay, though.

It's a good way to go out. It's all my father went. We did an episode in Florida. Then we did one with you guys when you were here in Nashville last time. And we've become good friends. You guys just did a little cameo of BlurryCon with us. Yeah, dude. Yeah, I was telling you, I love what you guys do.

I mean, it's, I think Nate and I have, with blurry creatures like to, we have like a lot of academic conversations, people who have written books and, and make films and stuff. It made films and it's, uh, it's very much like teaching and academic, but I actually, I love what you guys do so much. I was telling, I was telling you, Josh or Andy, but Andrew, one of you guys have blurry kind. I was just like, I love it so much. It's so fun. Yeah. And you guys really resonate. I mean, you guys, not to toot your horn for you. No, toot it. Please. Yeah. I mean, you're all for two. You know, more than a million subs on YouTube. You guys are, your reels go viral. And you guys have a lot of fun talking about, uh, conspiracy,

Everything from conspiracies to doing songs and, uh, but it's, you know, what's cool up is that you guys are Christians as well doing, doing this, doing this comedy thing. Number one, comedy podcast and Barbados. That's right. That's right. Still standing. I've got a sticker. Let's get a welcome. Shout out to Barbados. We know you're watching. Welcome to the basement. You know, we've been told the rumor is on the streets and the, on the, on the, the old neighborhood streets with all the kids and the BMX is that you guys prepared a song and you're ready to this. Do we? I mean, I didn't know you necessarily needed a song.

Oh, we always need a song. We could come up with some. Is there a guitar? I think there's one. We got one over there. There was one in here. Sorry, I hit your microphone. It should be an electric guitar in here.

Mary Poppins, please. We're ready for it. Oh, wow. You had a guitar. And for those listeners back home, they played a song for us when we came down, and it was one of the best things, one of the best moments of our podcasting career. So thank you. It really was.

I'm ready. A lot of people are saying that. Hopefully. Yeah, a lot of people are saying that. And then we figured out who Andy's dad was. It was really a monumental day, I think, for... It was a big movement for everybody. Yeah.

A moment. Absolutely. And you guys are North Florida. I don't know why I say it. There's a moment that began a movement. Yes. You guys are in North Florida. This is a little Miami, but hopefully the party shirt is acceptable.

Oh, it's working. Okay. It looks honestly looks like Tom Selling. Tom Selling. It looks like the Tom Selleck. I got a stash, but it's hidden. It's hit. You got the chest here too.

It's included. It's included. I get it. You've seen it. You're like, are you the past? Are you the past? It comes with the beer. Secretly.

Hey, you're not supposed to say that. Oh, shoot. But legally you are, right? All right, guys. Yes, legally. Either way. We wrote the song one hour ago. Yes.

And it's going to get flag, probably. It's going to get flag? Yeah. Okay. So say goodbye to your YouTube podcast. What is the flag? It's a good thing. We don't really have one right now.

That's just like the thing off the back of your bike. Yeah, it's a green flag for most part. All right. That's something communist related. Yeah. Most likely. All right. All right.

Welcome to the blurry placement. We'll see what we can do. Yeah. We won't put them together. Yeah, we're fine. Enjoy this. I woke up last night where a light did fill my room. Floating right above me, I felt my impending doom.

Then they beat me right up into an open door. I wonder why, who it is. You gotta let me know. Are they demons or are they Clintons? I'm really scared. My toes are cold and I'm wondering what is the answer? Are they demons or are they demons or are they Clinton? they

They proved me How's it going to do. How's it going? It's a good. They probing held me. They treated me real good. Show me their homeland, wearing skills and wearing hoods.

But it makes me wonder so much it makes me makes me cry could this be just one big politicians lie are they demons

or are they Clintons I'm really scared my clothes are cold and I'm wondering what is the answer are they demons or are they Clintons?

Yeah. Shout to the Clinton. Yeah. That's more of like a whole. Like Clint's is like a label and umbrella of sorts. Obviously we're not talking about Hillary. It could be specific to actually. No, of course not.

It's like a different. Yeah, it's a genre. That's a race. Crypted actually. Brandon Flowers approved. Thank you, Brandon for the use of it. I said my coals are toes. That's what.

I messed up on. That's how we avoid some IP violations. Yeah, that's perfect. Good thing they messed up. You're like, me too. I a little bit. I'm like,

that's a song. Well, that's a beautiful segue because, you know, at the heart of all the conspiracy theory is the name Clinton,

usually there. And we could kick it off with some conspiracy theories here. Let's dive in. In the blurry basement. We're ready. And what have you guys

have you guys have been researching lately? What has been, you know, just burning, burning in your heart to talk about. What are you feeling?

how does the how does the how does the uh ninjas get their content tick to go from there tic talk please don't man tic talk um we'll be bankrupt i've been watching the um graham hancock yeah the the second season we talked about it whatever two episodes ago yeah ancient apocalypse ancient yeah yeah that all in evidence and

with kiana reeves yeah that was so random isn't it yeah it was probably second best work next to point break, if we're being honest. They're standing up on a cliff side. Like, it looks like Peru. Does he just teleport there or show up? And there's no context. It is funny, though, because it's all of a sudden it's like, I don't know what Keanu has to do with this, but he's like, you know, Graham? No, he's trying to get us out of the matrix, guys. There's a famous Bigfoot story about a prospector out looking for gold, Luke. It gets picked up by a big foot and carried off into the woods. There's got to be an easy way to get some gold. And that's why we partnered with Goldco. It's a

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But it's like they have deep conversations. I'm only episode two. So I'm hoping for an appearance, but don't spoil it, Josh, if I don't get to see Keanu again. It's going to be funny. He pops up every now and then. Spoiled. Yeah.

It's going to be funny when we have like Matrix 3 come out and it's going to be or whatever matrix it's going to be like grand hancock yeah and it's going to just spaced in like the holy land or something better yet it's like and then grandma he's like we traded for this and graham hancock's in the third mate in the next matrix whatever you know he was built to follow the white rabbit rabbit so you know he's going to go down those rabbit holes he can't no i dude as long as kianno's down there with us i don't care i as long as keanu's with me in the rabbit hole yeah i'm safe what do you what do you think about it though where's your brain at the rabbit hole or kianna kiano kiano ancient apocalypse graham handker anything good i love it was it worth watching it was it was it

we talked about it a lot, but like the monolithic wall you guys went there, right? In Peru? Yeah, Inca stuff. I was not Inkin. Yeah. Even the show they talked about that. From a whole,

what are your thoughts on Graham Hancock? Because I don't have my thoughts. I have my thoughts. I'm going to wait for you to share your thoughts. No one else has your thoughts. I'm always for you to share your thoughts. I've said it before, but like he's so close to being able to connect all the dots, but he's not putting in the spiritual aspect of like,

maybe the wrong spiritual aspect, I would say. And it's just like, dude, if you just were to, you don't have to believe it, but just look into like the book of Enoch and just these ancient civilizations that are talked about in scripture. No, whoever I'm with you, man. Which one? Which one, Andy?

about Graham is that like you said, I think he's like 95% there, right? Like yeah, if you're not familiar with Graham Hancock's work, there are now two seasons of what's called Ancient Apocalypse on Netflix. For a lot of people, this is their introduction to Graham and his work, and he's been doing this for decades. And what his whole thing is, he's a journalist,

but he's an alternative historian is what he calls himself. And what he believes is that the narrative we've been told about history isn't true. And I think maybe all of us sitting here would say that's a fact. And he gets almost all the way there. What he talks about is an ancient pre-civilization that survives a cataclysm. And then his whole way of sussing this out is there are these enlightened travelers that show up and they teach mankind civilization.

Graham is not a opponent. What does he call those people? That's exactly what he calls them. He calls them these enlightened travelers. They're from this pre-civilization. and they show the survivors of the cataclysm. They show them how to do civilization. What's interesting is Graham doesn't talk about the Bible.

Like that isn't, you're talking about the sense of the Bible backing up with his claims in some of these places, but he doesn't go that direction, right? Well, one of those guys have like a reverse. They sort of put like the God of the Bible as the enemy. Well, that's the problem. Yeah, they kind of reverse it, though. It's like the God of the Bible is the enemy.

and then Satan's here to like. I'm not sure Graham goes there as much as he's got this idea. It's the word on the street. It's like literally the watchers, but he won't go to the watcher standpoint, right? It's the for us, I know we ascribe to the biblical narrative, right? So you have Genesis 6, you have watcher angels.

Book of Enoch really expounds upon that. Well, you have these angels that come down. They teach even the Bible. They talk about they teach humans civilization, right? Whether it be how to make weapons, how to animal husbandry, how it goes and go a weird way, but that's just essentially how to how to break and ride horses and have agriculture, how to kind of roots, pharmacia. These are the things that come down

as technological trading, right, with humanity. And so I love about 95% of what he does because he's on it. He goes, and what you're talking about is he goes to these megalists, what would be Easter Island or Peru in Kusko, Greece, Sardinia. You have these places where the construction is what Nate and I talked about when we were in Peru with Tim Alvarino. The construction, the older construction is better. It's very obvious that they've built on top with worse construction. And wild. I mean, you look at it in person, just doesn't make any sense, some tiny stones.

And then sometimes you do these little slivers in between these incredibly crafted megaliths. And I think the thing that I always think is interesting is where did they go? All right. So you believe in ancient aliens. Where did they go? Yeah. How come they were so involved in? And then just one day they were like, we're out.

We're going to go somewhere else. Like, do they change their strategy over time? Like, because our world changes, they have to change as well. They have to adapt. Well, could it be that interactions with us? They were taught, these watchers taught this way of doing things, this technology to the humans. And when the flood happened, that knowledge was completely lost.

And that's where Graham Hancock, that's where his idea goes. But he's not connecting it to the biblical source. Right. We would call it the golden age, right? this idea when the gods walked with man. And right, you had the Nephlam, he had giants. He doesn't, Graham's not big on giants either. So he has these little holes where it's like, I picture like a jigsop puzzle where

Hancock's put together like 95% of the puzzle and there's, but he's lost some of the pieces. And so these pieces actually show you what the whole picture looks like as far as I'm concerned. Yeah, because we believe there was a judgment that was handed down. That's why they went away. There was a judgment. Yeah. And if you don't subscribe to an ultimate judge, then you have to kind of come up with these wacky ideas to say, well, where did it go?

where went under the, you know, we don't know where it went. They got in their spaceships and they flew away. There's kind of these cosmic answers that are spiritual in nature. But I think that as Christians we subscribed to, there was, you know, they couldn't, they were locked up. And so there's a, they're waiting a judge, they're waiting their time. And that's what the demons talk about. It's not the time yet, right? Yeah.

Yeah. And when is the time? That's really interesting. I didn't realize he wasn't big on giants. Because in the second episode of the series, there's, they're looking at the mirror. on the walls. And they're talking about like, you know, these were painted with, you know, immense intent, had to mix with resin. There was like a technology. But then there's a clip. And I know Josh saw this too. It's completely undiscussed, but one of the hands in the mural is six fingered. Yeah. And I was like, man, we just blasted past that. These become those become problems. And because you have to point back, this is the whole thing. We made a joke at Blurricon with the giant skeleton, which actually caused quite the. Yeah.

Franklin moms love the giant skeletons. I was hoping on Facebook page was not happy about there being giant skeletons. But the idea is that there are, this is part of the cover up, if you will, because we, and we don't say that nauseam, Nate. And you guys have talked about it on your show as well, that there are countless, if not thousands of stories that, that of people digging up giant bones. And then through every culture, ancient culture civilization, there are stories of giants and their depictions of giants. But this also becomes- Why is Graham so anti-giant, Luke? What happened to Graham?

You have to ask you. He waska. That's my theory is because he grew up Catholic and then he left the church and became atheist, but then I think he's maybe agnostic now, but he talks about, he does ayahuasca regularly. And he always talks about this serpent entity, always like wrapping around him and like by giving him knowledge and like all this weird.

And like if it's the serpent, if we're talking about the serpent, you know, like, I mean. Yeah, I don't know a place where that isn't like something ominous. Omnis or nefarious, right? The red cross. The two snakes going around the red cross. Yeah. You know where that comes from. Don't let's not talk about it.

That's Moses. That's fine. Stop. Luke. The symbol for medicine actually comes from the idea of what Moses holds up, the serpents on which is interesting. It's very interesting. And I feel like that's very positive.

Which is a weird part of the Bible. Ancient signs. We don't do. Talk about your theory that you had with NASA and going to the moon. Oh, I mean, like, I'm going to be. The whole idea was, let's just leave it in mid-episode. This is, this is, this is, it's twice a time. You're going to go look at the notes.

You're going to come back and you're going to cheat. I know it. The idea is if, if someone can, If we're given knowledge, can we be taken, can knowledge be taken away from us? Like, if we're given access to certain amount of knowledge, like, say, like, the moon, like, my, the whole concept was the moon landing. Like, we say we lost the technology. And it's like, how was that even possible?

And I, but if we are able, like, if that was some type of ancient knowledge that we were given, was it taken away where we don't have access to it? Or is there any other, like, possibilities of that in our time where we were, they were, they were given it and then they were taken away. And it brings up the question too when we talk about knowledge being handed down or given to. It's like, what does that education actually look like? You know what I mean?

Like is there like a, there were classes that. Well, that's what a pottery classes. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And, you know, physical classes like spin classes and stuff. Are you to fight me right now? I think, you just took, okay. I feel like,

I feel like, you know, a lot of knowledge is just lost. Like, I mean, you dig through some of these estate sales and you see these old tools and you're like, what does this thing make? And you look back and you, generations before us knew how to do incredible things.

And so I think some of it is just natural. Obviously, you had... Listen, ancient giants, question it. Government coverouts? Definitely question it. But paying $100 for a phone, that's fine. No one questions. What's the conspiracy theory here?

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That's it. There's no catch. $45 up front payment required, equivalent to $15 per month. new customers on first three month plan only speed slower above 40 gigabytes on unlimited plan additional taxes fees and restrictions apply so you meant mobile for details a slowly over time you had the brain maybe the the the blurry brains of the giants were just slowly turning back to normal because a lot of these genetic anomalies they say came from interbreeding so the giants want to breathe with each other they would get weird yeah the elongated heads and six fingers

and some of that stuff was that, like they wanted to stay in their own bloodlines. So maybe some of the, you know, genetic deformities are from that. That's why you see the six-fingered cave drawings or whatever. But I do think that there was probably some sort of exchange, maybe telepathically, they could communicate. This is what you do. And when it comes to the megaliths and stuff, they say that a lot of them had this knowledge to how to, like, shape the stones, soften the stones, put them into place. I don't know how they lifted them. Yeah.

I think acoustics is the answer to that. They tapped into it, but they could also soften the stone, and then they would sort of cool in place. And that's why you can't get a hair between the stones. So when we walked in downtown Kuska, I mean, you're standing there looking at these rocks, like, okay, maybe if they had some technology to soften the stone, makes sense. But why? And how do they lift them into place? These things are massive. Yeah.

And it's all in mountains, right? Like, these are like mountains. the mountains there are more but this is down in the city the walls of kusko in downtown are these these mega they've been there for thousands what they say the biggest stone was like 10 10 10 000 tons or something 10 tons i don't know uh the biggest biggest me no thanks don't let me stop those are the i think those are the foundation of balbeck the stone of the pregnant woman is like no that's in uh that sounds is that in greece lucre belbe belbeck it's a turkey why are they closing macho peaches you down though. What? You see that they're closing

Machu Picchu down? Yeah. Like in 2026, I think it was. I don't think it's for anything in the fair areas. I think they're actually just trying to like preserve it, which is great. There's so many people visiting so much traffic there that like you have these ancient structures. That's another one that's interesting though. Like even at Machu Picchu, the

Incan tradition, the knowledge passed down is that they found it. It was the abode of the gods. That's like that's recorded? Yeah. There's some big ones. There's some big ones I didn't know that. Tombo. There were some, they're look like basically buses kind of put together

and they have these little slivers. Oh, you're talking about the massive. I mean, Sox-A-Waman is the one that has these insane, they're way more than anything. Those ones are like, and they're like, giant puzzle pieces, and they're massive. So you have a smaller version in Kusko,

and then you go up the hill a little bit, a couple miles, and then you have them at Soxay-Waman. And then you can, you drive a couple hours, then you go to Adjante Tombo, and they have the big steps, the terraces, and then they have these at the top. Yeah, it is, kind of on a mountain, a small mountain, but why would you build it up there? Yeah, how do people

justify it? Because like, okay, cool, that's an idea that you want to have in a really difficult place. But how do people justify it? Was it like, was it slavery back then? Like, was because I know they could say like, oh, this is how we moved. We could easily show how they moved things back then, but it's like, but why? Well, they have a story. Like, why would they do that? In that documentary, they talk about the stones that they have in Peru for these big walls, they had to go over the mountains to the ocean to get it. And there's just one story they're doing like a 20 ton stone carrying it over the mountain. Or no, it was like 10 tons, but there's 20,000 men trying to lift it over. But then it slid and it crushed like the majority of them.

But then there's like, okay, but what about the other thousand stones are that exact same side? That's always the problem, right? And we were at when we were out of John Teitombo when Nate and I were there with Tim and our crew from Blurry, you can sit up on this. on this big mountain. This is always the thing too is like it, the most impractical of building is they're, they're moving these megalithic stones that are just tons and tons on, up on top of a mountain.

Machu Picchu is on top of a mountain. Kusco is higher. It's on top of a mountain. And these stones aren't like usually, they don't quarry them right next door, right? In fact, at Jont Ha-Tamba, you can see, they claim, when you're talking a tour guide there, you can look across the temple of the sun or whatever.

across the next valley and you can see these. Are they quarried some? Places where rocks were supposedly rolled down the hill and they still are, are, you can see it on the mountain. It's torn these roads in the mountain, but it's always the why. Like, it's an insane amount of effort. It's like the pyramid. This is an insane amount of effort.

That's why I went to slavery because I'm like, do they have slaves at this time where like they had workers where it's like, you make my dreams come true? Or is it the opposite if it's like, is it something? something malicious, is it like, or something bigger? Is it giants? But if they had slaves, they had a foreman that was like, and someone writing the blueprints and saying, this is what I need you to build.

What I think more happened is if we speculate a lot here, is that I think that the megalithic temples and some of the structures and things they built, they ripped them off from heaven. I think if there are mansions in heaven, how are they built. So they brought that technology here. And then you have the OGs, the original demigods,

demigods, the original half-breeds, they could build perfect structures. And I think they got that idea from heaven itself. From their fathers, right? From their angelic fathers that would have lived in the heavenly round. They would have lived in heaven. And so we saw this on with Tim at at Bluricom. And actually, the Q&A actually was very fascinating. You guys hadn't come to town yet for because you were there on Friday. But there was this idea of like, what are your thoughts on what heaven is like. Yeah. And so they had that idea, they kind of had that idea. But then like, imagine like, you know, you inherit this technology and you know how to do it for a while. But it sticks around. These rocks stick around for a long time. And then a couple of generations

go by and they're still trying to emulate what they're seeing here. Yeah. Same thing goes with elongated skulls. Some people, some of the beings had elongated skulls and then humans were trying to emulate that because they were seeing them walk around. Interesting. And you could imagine, that is an interesting part. You can imagine they are, they are a superior species. So you want to emulate that and look like that. You want to be like the gods. So why else would you take a baby's head and squeeze it and do it?

So I think that, and turn it into this like almost like original alien looking head. They cry too much. They cry too much. Like, you know, and so the same thing goes with the technology. They're seeing this ancient stuff and they're like, we got to emulate this. But eventually it gets crappy. So you can see almost three areas. of construction in places like Kusko.

You see this original megalithic foundations, and then it gets a little bit less cool, and then it turns into, like, basically, stones chiseling together, and, like, they didn't know how to do it at a certain point in time. So the knowledge does get lost. And I think that's,

you can apply that all the way across the board, which so there was a golden age of information, and then it turns into, it just goes down until it's like, you know, the old aluminum age. Well, this conversation about heaven, though, It's like, what does the Bible say, right? And it talks about roads and walls and mansions and grain.

They know they have pictures in their minds of what it was like there. So maybe there's this crazy megalithic stuff in heaven. Here's a thought. Yeah, I mean, that makes sense. Like I saw the connection you guys made, or Tim made, at least on the pod, just about in Psalm, it says the suss sentence of angels. Yeah. And it's just like, yeah, it really does make sense.

And like Tim is very pragmatic. So we talk about Tim Alvarino on the show. He's a multi-time guest in the show, but what he, he's in, I would say, if you're one out of ten, he's 10, 10 out of 10 pragmatic, right? He's like, how do we practically talk about this? And so if it's, if it's grain or bread of heaven, what is that? You reverse engineering, you go, well, they have to have grain and yeast and what. Maybe that's what they have in heaven. So maybe the idea of the heavenly realm or this place is actually not too different from what we, we experience here.

And that, to Nate's point, would be that if it's an advanced civilization, This is kind of where I think Graham goes but misses. There's this pre-civilization. That can be the golden age, but it also can be the idea of these beings and their knowledge of heaven, right? Yeah, because they all build the same structures all over the world.

You know, there's been a bunch of stuff coming out recently. There's pyramids in China, and they're trying to grow stuff on them and you can't dig into these. So there's these pyramids all. Why would they all build the same things if they didn't have an origin place? I'll say remember too, though, like if we ascribe to the flood and a lot of people connect the flood to the younger dryest incident, right?

This is what's what Graham talks about. This, this, which is believed to be a comet impact that or an asteroid impact that causes this huge thing. Rapid melting and stuff like that. Right, but what survives. So this is what we don't. We only know what we know, right? What survives is probably the stuff in stone. We don't have any wood structures.

We don't really know what else was out there or what didn't survive, but what did survive. is anomalous now because as we know when the Spanish the Spanish show up in Peru the Incas are like we didn't do that like and we can't do that we can't build your churches they tried to do like this yeah they couldn't do it and if you dig up like you know an old Cadillac on your farm and you just have a couple pieces you're going to come to some wild conclusions and what is this act what is this thing that we that we found here and I think that cyber truck but you can tell that it's it's ancient though yeah but you just don't know like how ancient and who made it and why What do you guys, like it's pyramids that show up everywhere.

I can't remember where I heard it, but someone talking about the idea of the chief. It seems like a scheme. This is a scheme. It is. It would be on top of it. But if you get three other pyramids, and then they get six pyramids. But like the idea of a chief cornerstone and they're being like one point, you know, like, that's what Christ is supposed to be the chief cornerstone.

And to the point of if they're emulating a heavenly looking structure, that's always, I can't, I wish I could remember. I feel like I'm ripping someone who I should give credit to. It's probably me. I think it was, dude. We can do it right now. Good job. I'm just thinking, I love that concept of like the, these ancient structures are like, they're designed of like what was in heaven or what was in the realm of God, whatever that is.

And I was just thinking about like the temple mount of like the temple in Jerusalem, you know? And like if you go under in these caves, those giant, megalithic monolithic stones and how they're very similar to all these ancient structures. It makes me think, this is me just thinking right now, right? Bear with me. Think it out. This is fact. When Solomon, when God said, what do you want?

He said, I want wisdom. It says, I'm going to give you all the wisdom. And Solomon was the one that built the temple. Was he given part of that wisdom, maybe not that technology, but the wisdom to create these mega structures, putting these giant blocks into place. Because, I mean, the Temple Mount, they have these huge stones, you know? That's interesting. I think there's two ways to look at this.

We have an episode coming out at some point, maybe out by the time we put this out, but with Dr. Michael Lake. And we talk a lot about Solomon and the mystery schools of Babylon, right? So one of the things, and this is right up your alley, guys, because this is where you guys make your money and is your wheelhouse. But the secret societies that we see now, the Masons, the Illuminati, the, these secret societies, they are charged with carrying this sacred knowledge. This is part of what they do. They hold this secret, sacred knowledge.

Solomon himself strayed into the mystery school space. He was trying to acquire all of this knowledge. At that point in time, the ideas of the mystery schools of Babylon were actually real things. they weren't these like recreations, if you will, like, like we see with Freemasonry, with the Rosicrucians, with the Golden Dawn. There are these different secret societies that hold the sacred knowledge. So there's an interesting concept here. Did he get some of that, perhaps some of that knowledge when he asked for wisdom?

Or did he acquire some of that knowledge to the mystery schools of Babylon? Yeah. And we see some of that construction because this is supposed to be, According to them, right? So take it, take it what it is. And the darkness is, they're all liars, but they're supposed to hold secrets from Anteluvian, pre-flood secrets that were passed down

because they described their, their, quote, theology or their mantra stuff to, what essentially lines up as either a Nephilim or a watcher angel. These are these people that had these ideas of construction. They had gifts and construction ways to build. Yeah, yeah. Sounds like a dope episode. I think a better way to look at these things.

Just go to that episode right now if you're watching this. Like Christians have an either-or kind of thought process on everything. Everything is either totally evil or totally, you know, from God, from heaven, the kingdom of heaven. But I think a lot of these are just technologies, right? And so a lot of people come on our show and say, like, I was saved by a UFO or I was saved by a big foot or I was saved by whatever. Curious Tierman. Yeah. And so it's like, this is just technology, right?

It can be good and bad guys flying around in these things. And there's this ultimate theory that's like, just because I don't understand it, the Bible doesn't outline these things is bad. It's all bad. But I think they just had access to technology. And they can use it for go to bad. And the same thing happens with the new age.

They take these ideas that I think are, you know, frequencies, obviously. And they turn them into this like. Well, they hijack it. Yeah, they hijack it. So it's not inherently that like, you should tune your guitar at a specific frequency see that is supposedly the angelic angel cord, you know. David had a secret chord, you know.

Was it the brown note? It was the brown note, yes. Play it right now. That was actually it, and South Park has nailed. They nailed it. It's like, David played the secret chord that, that pleased the Lord and everybody just pooped himself. But playing a chord and then God is mad at you is kind of the logic that a lot of these

sort of very strict. So they believe in all these things, but then they're very strict and kind of in their interpretation. I mean, because a lot of people will make claims, and maybe part of it is deception, but I think it's the practical terms that we, that make the most sense for human beings, right? We are physical creatures. We see this stuff flying around, and maybe they can bend our laws and use technology that we don't understand, but things crash, you know, and the last time we cracked open the New Testament,

you know, demons aren't building things that are crashing. Yeah. Well, they're just embodied spirits. Well, they don't need technology for if you're not, if you're not physical. And you have to zoom out and come up with just a better understanding of that whole realm in general. But you guys are kind of like always kind of, you know, tackling different topics.

And asking questions about the mysteries. But what, I mean, so in that, and we talked about pyramids. You brought the pyramids up. Like, what are your thoughts on the pyramids? What do you think they, we've had a lot of different people on the show talk about what they think they are for because I think if you are a thinking person that doesn't just not ascribe to the ministry of truth when it's, comes to, you know, Egyptian archaeology, you realize these, not tombs, that doesn't actually

make sense. They don't look like any of the tombs. Well, that would be like a third generation use of something. If you dig up a Cadillac and you turn into a flower bed, you're like, we don't know what this thing is. And then there's like someone that comes along and goes, no, no, no, this is, this original thing was this. Obviously, you can't turn the pyramids back on. But it's clearly a machine of some type. It's, and it's crazy that everyone, I got to pee again. It's crazy that every civilization just landed on the same plan. have a really weird young earth theory that's literally about cocked in my head for 30 seconds throw it out there and I'm you can rip it to trees the butterflies without it but it's great you've

been thinking about it for a long time and you're writing a book about it no if it's great it's been 30 seconds and I'm a genius but no like book so if the world was created young but but dirt exists you know how many rings existed in the trees and stuff like that so there is this entire assumed history in the instantaneous creation of the earth, where do we draw the line at what existed to arrive at, like the, like soil is decomposed living matter, right? And so like, if you were to study with modern science, the soil, you would say these things live to make this dirt. And so, like, where do we draw the line? Could structures of a history that never actually existed, but was created to have existed.

Oh, this is a mind bender. Right? Like, so the idea of the Earth was created with a history built in? Yeah. That didn't really exist. It didn't really exist. Well, a time, maybe, but not a history. What is the essence of existence?

If it was created with his intention for us to perceive it at some point, it exists in the reality, God's reality outside of time. Then, which is really fascinating, I think, because time itself is a construct of the universe. It is, but it's out, and God is outside of space. time. So we, man has really created the idea of time, right? I mean, it's, the Bible says that to God a day is a thousand years and a thousand years is a day. So you have this, this, this, this paradox that exists and when it comes to talking about that's an interesting idea. Yeah. It's the Benjamin Button theory, you know, it just started old from the beginning, but it was really

young. I do love the idea that like God brings Adam and it's just a bunch of small planted trees with like bands tied down to the ground and make sure it's like hey by the way make sure to water these because these are going to really they have to take off like it's not perfect right Scott's Wheaton feed he's like hey there's going to be a problem here but you got to use this stuff let's make sure that we're not a sponsor well maybe we can go through some conspiracy theories that have come true

because I think you guys are often tackling a much broader arranged topics than we we stick in the creature space and the ancient history space and we try to do a lot of bring a lot of the smart folks onto our show but sometimes it's fun to get off the cuff make some jokes, laugh a little bit. 9-11, maybe, let's go. Invite some not smart people. Is that what you're saying?

Is that what you just said? Equally not smart. You know how Christ says to have doesn't make a child. Child-like faith. Yeah, I have the mind of a five-year-old on a purpose. That's our podcast.

We're just a bunch of children. You said you were writing a book a minute ago. Is it done? Yeah. Author and he's a co-author. It's a color book. Okay. We're coming out with their own book of E-Not.

I think it's a good place to start. Absolutely. Yeah, so what are some Let's talk about some conspiracy theories that have come true, right? This is where you guys, this is really your wheelhouse. NK. Ultra. Let's show that. You've got 30 seconds to answer. We can start with that. Okay, yeah, this is, so I've got a list here. Let me tell you, as we preface, as we preface a list, of, this is from, um, history. Dot, how stuff works.com. So it's going to be procured and it's definitely going to have a narrative around. So this isn't

going to be like, in my mind, there are a lot of, we've been around since 2020. Yeah. We're going to be honest. So we've seen a lot of things come true. that were relegated to conspiracy theory. Yeah. Whether it be origins of a virus or fill in the blank. There's a lot of things in those four years. Yeah.

So these are 11, but these are interesting because these tend to be old. The first is, have you heard of the Tuskegee syphilis experiment? Yeah. Start with syphilis. Of course I have. No, I have never heard of that. So this was in 1932. It's terrible.

The U.S. Public Health Service conspired with the Tuskegee Institute to create a phony syphilis treatment program. The experiment which involved lying to almost 400 African-American men who had been diagnosed with syphilis was only supposed to last six months, but it was 40 years later before anyone became aware of the research, the government was forced to investigate and shut it down. For 40 years, 400 men were given dangerous chemicals and painful and necessary medical procedures under the guise of actual treatment. And the fact that penicillin had been a known cure for syphilis was hidden from the patients so they could learn more about the disease.

Yeah. How did this happen? Oh, it happens. I mean, like, what's the purpose? Just to kill people? Literally, I mean, this is how we get, right? Honestly, these are the things I think that make us distrust a lot of what the government is. And this would always be the knock on, quote, conspiracy theories, right?

Is that it is, there's always counter government. Like, the government's always lying. And I don't think always is the key. This is where Nate and I always talk about, always talk about or tend to talk about, Like, you're not lying 100 out of 100 times. This is the reality. People tell the truth. What it be our government, politicians.

At some point, they tell the truth. They lie a lot. Yeah. They don't lie all the time, right? But in this particular case, that's how you believe them. Like, that's how they get to you. That's the deception. It always is, right?

It's always like, you tell the truth here and there. There's enough truth included that it feels palatable, right? Because if you get a full on deception, most times you're like, I'm out with this. But if there's stuff we've done and go, well, that part, it might be true. It's believable. So that, that one is horrific. That's terrible. It took 40 years from them to tell these people

that they already had a. That's so scary. So they were just testing something, say, hey, this is the cure and they're just like, we're just gonna wanna. You have syphilis, come take this vaccine and they just, they tested it on people. And they narrowed African American people.

It was African American people, yeah. So it seems very overtly racist the same time. Yeah, absolutely. It's a deeper level too. We can always say they always, we've always desired knowledge, right? And so we're trying to figure out hack these things.

So that would be the original sort of lust of mankind since the beginning. I want to know more. I want to hack this system. I just feel like a lot of these, like the syphilis thing, M.K. Ultra, all this stuff. I think it, for me, it starts to derive from the project paperclip when we brought over all these Nazi scientists that were already doing this stuff. They're already experimenting on people, innocent people, and doing just, really, really weird, just sacrilegious.

Inhumane. Inhumane, wacky stuff. Project paperclip happened. And then it's like, it seems like we have all these really weird stuff that the CIA did, including going to the moon. What happened? I think there is a, I think there is a narrative that we've built over our show that you can see

that there is like the people of countries, the good patriots of every country. Right. And then you have this league of nefarious collective of like we was saying, you know, these clubs, these elites that sort of make rules behind the scenes and do all this stuff. So of course they're going to get the best scientists in the world to be a part of that team. And then make it look like, oh, yeah, countries are just going on as normal. We have some relations with other countries. And we're all trying to craft this thing. But really behind the scenes, there's this group of people to get together, pencils up rooms and really control the world. But how do we know that's true? Well, we're seeing these conspiracy theories one by one come true, right? So somebody behind the scenes is programming reality, so to speak, for the rest of us. So Luke, that was rumored forever, right?

Yeah. And then there was a class action lawsuit in 1974 where they awarded $10 million in damages to people. So they had. 1974. So we're talking, I mean, 40 plus years of torturing. I'm so glad the government. learn his lesson. Like, that's like crazy. I know that's soon. Like, that's 70s, but golly, I'm so glad they're done doing that, right? Yeah. Josh, you mentioned Operation Paperclip.

That falls on number three on this list. And of course, it's number two. We'll go there. We'll get there. It's on. Hey, hold on. So in 1945, the Joint Intelligence Objectives Agency was given an authorization to offer 1,500 German scientists, technicians, and engineers from Nazi Germany and other countries' employment in America. President Truman, agreed to the program with explicit instructions that it only includes those who were not found to have, quote, been a member of the Nazi party and more than a nominal participant in its activities or an active supporter of Nazi militarism. So very gray broad brush there. 1,500 Amish Germans that didn't do anything bad. So this man Werner von Braun, Arthur Rudolph,

and Hubertus Strughold. Who all did stuff for the Nazi party. Yeah. Of course. Von Braun, architect, their entire rocket in and missile program, including building jets and everything else they had, they had ready to go. So this is, I mean, it's absurd. So survey says, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. True. Guilty. So this is what?

So von Braun, Rudolph, and Struggle were listed as a menace in the security of the Allied forces would not be allowed. However, as we know, they were decided they had more vital importance to the development of the U.S. Rocket program. They created false employment and political biographies and destroyed all evidence connecting them to the Nazi war machine. That's Operation Paperclip. We know that's real now. But at a time, there was a conspiracy theory. These are... And they developed all the video games from the 80s, including this. Their fault. They built electronic basketball. The fact that Shazam with Sinbad is actually stopped. It never happened.

So this is officially proven... We talk about it. This is a Mandela effect. The fact that that never even happened. When does this get certified true? This is just who who certifies these? The paperclades? Snope. Snopes. Well, it's not part of it is, the freedom. The FOIAs. Yeah.

The FOIA Act actually changed a lot of, okay. And that's how we know, and it's not even on this list, of course, but yeah, that's how we know most recently of the JFK assassination, the involvement of the CIA. We know there was an inside job. Oh. But I mean, since the beginning. Yeah. We're really going for it. It's always been like one guy from a book depository who went to, who had a Russian communist tie once somehow.

Well, there's that video that was floating around about Oswald. saying he was he was a pawn Patsy it's a Patsy dude That was the first conspiracy that I just dove down and I'm like This is 100% And like that's isn't that where they coined the term conspiracy theorists? Yeah Like because like the CIA literally coined that term

To just immediately just like hey don't don't even listen to it's a theory Hey they're a conspiracy theorists Is that a big deal? But then we have things like this that come up So it's meant to diminish and mock Yeah and push truth from the narrative. Just throw it out.

You mentioned MK Ultra. That's actually on this list as well. It's number 10. This is something Nate and I, we are going to cover in the future because we've talked to a few folks, but MK. Ultra is a pretty well-known CIA project, a mind-control project.

In the 50s, with the Cold War heating up, the U.S. hope to discover what was called a truth serum. And what they did is they secretly dosed unwitting U.S. and Canadian citizens with LSD. And they would interrogate and sometimes torture. for the participants. They paid hospitals, prisons, universities for the participation

and their silence. In 1973, CAI director, Richard Helms, ordered all documents related to MK Ultra be destroyed. Eventually, the conspiracy was just uncovered.

Nobody involved in the project, quote, remembered the details. Yeah. And there's not a complete timeline as sort of the events remain incomplete. So scary.

I tend to think that it never stopped. No. Yeah. It just changes. It's always that. It's always change. That was training and testing.

Yes. That's all it is. There's no way they're not trying it again. I remember hearing a story about a young kid that literally they had stings basically in brothels and stuff like that or in drug houses and they would go in there. They would drug these people unbeknownst to them. And then they would leave. And this guy, no joke, is walking home, wakes up like five or six hours later, blood on his hands. And he had just killed two people.

and this is all part of like he was confirmed he was at an mk ultra house like where they were doing testing and it's like he just blacks out and suddenly he just kills two people like this like that's a lot of this is how is that pop like we all watch zoolander you learn martial arts kill the primacy of Malaysia we know for a fact a lot of these folks that are are committing these uh whether it be a false flag side of this kind of event or the or these tragedies are are end up being at an FBI safe house CIA FBI informants whether it be the people who try to kidnap Michigan governor Gretchen Whitmer or whether it's the fact that

the pilots from 9-11 or stand in FBI safe house or you can fill in the blank and you go okay so they shut down the LSD program but what did it become right because they're still Yeah. They're still taking people and using people for their agenda. Yeah. Even if they stopped whatever was going on, there's still knowledge gained that is on a trajectory, right? And so there's no way someone learns something that they can use for their agenda.

And they go, I know this. I got this knowledge. Kind of in a sketchy way. I'm not going to use. Like that, that's not going to happen. They're going to continue that for sure. There's a lot of the, like the mass shooters, too, that have.

Yeah. They say the same thing. Yeah, a lot of things like, a lot of the same things. Like, you look at just the guy that, that tried, I mean, crazy stuff, right? You want to use what you guys cover in the show. The guy that tried to shoot Trump. Yeah. He had so many contacts in his phone and phone calls.

And no social media. And we're not talking about it. Like, he legitimately had connections and contacts in his phone to politicians in that state. I mean, I don't want that to anything to be true, but it's like, explain it. And a black, because that does not make sense. But then I start adding these things up

and this is the thing, right? They always have their guy. They always have their guy. Sometimes it's 40 years before these things come to life. Yeah. And so in the meantime, everybody's ridiculed. And in our day, they're de-platformed

or they're canceled for suggesting. But the track record kind of speaks for itself. This isn't like, we didn't hear anything about, we didn't hear anything about that guy. And if he was successful, we would have, we would still be hearing about them. It would be a nonstop 24-7.

I'm so glad that didn't happen because it was just like legitimately would have been a terrible thing. Yeah. It would have been so bad. Suddenly we have all this information about this character. Here's his backstory. Here's who he dated in third grade. Yeah.

You know, and that's kind of how it goes. It's like they're ready for, they're ready to distract us in the next way. And I'm burning for number two. What is number two on the list? Oh, we're not even there. We're like on number nine. Oh, let's go. Yeah, speed round.

Oh, we're going down. We're going down. Oh, I thought we started at number one. Okay. This is a quick. one but we all know the weapons of mass destruction for the Gulf War didn't exist. That's a conspiracy theory that came to light. There's a second one. If you've heard of this, 1990 testimony of Naraya. A 15-year-old girl named Naraya offered testimony to Congress stating she'd witnessed Iraqi

soldiers taking 15 Kuwaiti babies out of incubators and leaving on the floor to die. The testimony aired on 700 television stations in the United States. President George Bush Sr. repeated the story at least 10 times in the following weeks to attempt to sway public opinion towards supporting the Gulf War. The problem is the events described by Naray. or a complete fabrication. CIA requested Nariah received acting lessons before she testified. Uh-oh. It's also discovered she was the daughter of a Kuwaiti ambassador.

In response to those findings, Amnesty International accused the Bush administration of opportunistic manipulation of the international human rights movement. So they faked a moral thing of Iraqi soldiers killing Kuwaiti babies. In addition to the weapons by destruction in order to gain sympathy for a war in Iraq. wild that's a wild thing to come up with that they got a little better over time never heard about that that's yeah that goes back to the project uh mockingbird that's on the list you're always you're always you're always reading the head hooper like you're always ready but you know what i'm saying like they got a little better at like hey if we're going to go to war we need to come up with a little something something

a little bit crazy i can't believe i've never heard of this we talk about this with my buddies is like every war is about economics every war look it up but what they try to do what what they try to do There's a justification that they have to make war moral. That's the virtue within it. We're doing something virtuous. We are liberating people. We are providing democracy. We're nation building, right?

Yeah, yeah. But hopefully they're all about economics. They've been doing it for probably forever. You look at like World War I with president, what's the name? Who's the president during World War I? What year was that, Mr. President? Woodrow Wilson? Yes.

We didn't enter that. war forever, but he was heavily influenced by all these dudes like Ford, J.P. Morgan, like the war industry, right? And it was two years. And we were sailing. There was an American ship, and it was in the territory where the Nazis said, this, not World War I, this is World War I. And he said, you cannot go into this zone. Now we're in Harding or Coolidge. I don't know. I think I'm combining them a little bit. Yeah, he was World War I, right? Roosevelt.

Wilson? Yes, he was. 100% he was. Just keep going. I got more presidents. But the Germans bombed. Woodrow Wilson. World War I.

Yeah. Yeah. 28th president of the United States who also at one point became so incapacitated his wife was pulling the strings and finally admitted to it. She was making all the executive decisions. Yeah. And also started a tennis ball company. So we had a female present already. Either way, the Germans bomb this bow.

By proxy. Boom. Yes. And they used that as a narrative for us going into the war. It's Gulf of Tonkin. This is not a, this was done again. Yeah. Done again in the Gulf. Yeah, it's like I said, there's a narrative.

There's the play. There's the stage. There's the, the patriots of every country thinking, oh, I'm fighting for the good, for our, you know, for our country. And really, behind the scenes. they're being both sides are being controlled so sickening it is it's truly something to look out for with this deception of like the future of like our country in the world like what is the narrative that is being painted oh yeah and just just be aware of it just being aware of it have discernment yeah i think the good thing that we're looking from a mac from a high up macro standpoint too is that we live in an information age now where it's very very hard to control all of the avenues of

communication. This is something very easy to do back in World War I, World War II. I mean, up to the app of the internet, it was pretty easy to control the outlet. So the information people were getting was very much selected and the narrative was procured. Because you didn't have the access to. And this is also where you swing the pendulum because then you have these, there's crazy things out there where people are, everything is a conspiracy demon under every rock, right? So there has to be some sort of balance in this. But I think it's much harder and it has to be much more of a free speech is on the docket around 100% it's 100% why it's like we can't put the genie back in the bottle so we've got to control

all these avenues and we've got to shut down these websites what do you think that's why they're trying to ban ticot is because of the vast amount of information out there yes and say yeah and they'll put china on that so there's your there's your there's your virtue for that and then china is collecting information this isn't to say that doesn't happen um but i think this is why there's so much vitriol and hate for Elon musk with x formerly twitter because he's not bowing to their there's already information about Facebook interfering in this election

but no they spent like $500 million to make sure he was safe that's what they said they donated that guy I'm gonna skip around a little bit because we've got where are we at the rate well we've kind of skipped around because Hooper's been reading ahead so Operation Mockingbird which you brought up

we'll go to that he's going out and cheating in coming back Frank Wisner was appointed director of special projects and told to create an organization that was capable of producing propaganda and engaging economic warfare as part of a global war against communism. Here's your virtue piece, right?

The CIA took control of the office in the 1950s maintained a secret campaign to influence media around the world for almost 25 years. Weisner owned, respected members of the New York Times, Newsweek, CBS, and other media outlets. By the 1950s,

there were more than 3,000 CIA employees and dozens of large global media outlets working to maintain a complex propaganda machine. Wisner was always looking for new ways to convince the public of the dangers of communism. Facilitated the 1954 animated Hollywood production of George Orwell's Animal Farm. The Church Committee exposed a conspiracy in 75 and calculated that the misinforming the world cost taxpayers to $265 million a year. I'm not sure what that's worth today, but that's 48 to 75. Churchgoers exposed that one.

Church Committee. So the church finds the truth. So communism is good? I think that's exactly. No, but it's not that. This is always the twist, right? To me, it's like, it's like Homeland, right? It's like where we did this thing to monitor, this is at Snowden.

We did this thing, the NSA to monitor for terrorism after we had 9-11, but they never turned it off. Yeah. Why would you? Yeah, it was all set up for that purpose. Right. But at the same time, it's like, it doesn't, as far as I'm concerned. It always has the most epic name, the Patriot. Yeah, the Patriot Act.

I just say no to that. It just tells you. You're against the Patriot Act? Are you not a Patriot? What it seems interesting to me is it's always done very sloppy. It's almost like they can't really get away with it ever. And it makes me wonder, I think, and we all love this, guys like, do podcasts like this, if God is going to sit us all down and play the movie about how it actually happened

and hold people accountable. Like, nothing is ever in secret, really. It's all going to come out. It's all going to be exposed either. this life or the next life. Yeah. I think that's the hope. Yeah.

Oh, definitely. You know. It's like, it's a gladiator. I'll have my vengeance in this life for the next. Yes. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because I mean, I think, and then oftentimes you see and you hear stories about, oh, that one little thing, that one little thing,

exposed this whole thing, you know. And it's sad because I think a lot of people think this is all, I don't know. What if it's us? What if we expose the greatest conspiracy that's ever existed? We could probably do this. That's where it's starting.

Thank you. Is it's our butter. Let's do it right now. Don't do it right now. You're real Americans like Holt Hogan said. Do you can imagine going back like 20 years and saying like you're going to consent to facial scans so they can find you anywhere as well as a fingerprint. But it's for your safety.

Yeah. But you'd be like, yeah, no. And then iPhone comes out and they're like, it'll unlock your phone in a second. It's really cool. It's really convenient. You should be honest. I won't actually really like when that dropped. Which is so sad.

I think that's how easy we give up freedoms too. Well, now it's in the airport. Yeah, they're like always skinning your face. It's inch by inch. It's one ride at a time. It's the conditioning. It's like just do a little by little. And you know that's just not like future predictions.

And they're looking at MK Ultra and they're saying we have to continue to do this. But longevity, they know the way technology is going. We can't do it the way we're doing it now. So you know they're planning. Like there has to be thoughts that are like, okay, so we have to push this. what's the name we can put on it. How can we slowly push these people to understand this agenda or whatever maybe?

Ben Franklin saw this all coming, right? I mean, he has a famous quote, which I love. Says those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. Also, here's a kite. I invented it. I invented electricity.

I bet you'd have been here in the early days of Facebook and like MySpace statuses, he would have written some. I'm like, Chip, don't do it. That's a feed I'd like to go. go back there and read yeah i just it's interesting like it is a slow boil right and was tesel on here some at some point no come we've got uh the tesler stuff that's that's what that we've got co-intel pro which is the fbi against the 60s activists where the FBI created a counterintelligence program um which was designed to protect national security prevent violence

and maintain the existing social and political order but in other words this purpose was to illegally disrupt dissident political organization with the united states um No political order, but our political order. 56 to 71. And 85% of the program's resources were spent on marginalizing, infiltrating, and disrupting groups such as women's rights, nonviolent civil rights movement, the Congress of racial equality, American Indian movement, and other civil rights groups. J. Edgar Hoover ordered FBI agents to expose, disrupt, misdirect his credit, and otherwise

neutralized the activities of these movements and their leaders. So this has also been proven to be true, even though it was a... And what do you know? It's like, I feel like this list is all. It's very curated. Well, it's curated, but it's all government lying to us. And then, oh, they actually did this project. Sorry, they were trying to.

Yeah. They want you to have syphilis. Yeah. Well, this list kind of seems like it's so well known now. They're like, yeah, this is a stuff that's true. This is what they give you, right? This is my point from the beginning is like, we know there's a lot more here. That's what they'll admit to right now.

Yeah. Probably because number one, there's been enough time where people who would be super angry about this or are either old or have passed dead. Like JFK. That's why those files are being pushed on so far because it's like by the time this comes out, you can't do anything about it. It was like it's like it's like it's like they let Pete Rose in the Hall of Fame now after he passed away because everyone gambles on baseball now and every other sport. Just spit in the face. It's like, okay, so you, that's a whole other thing.

No, Tani didn't do anything, guys. He was totally. Yeah. I believe that. I love that you just keep holding up the book. Operation Northwoods. You guys heard of this one? No.

Operation what? Operation Northwoods. You started this out like, this is up your. wheelhouse and I'm just sitting here confused. So these are, okay, so the U.S. government was involved in several crazy conspiracies during the 50s and 60s. Operation Northwoods is probably the craziest of all. 62, the CIA planned to stage terrorist attacks on American citizens and military targets

in Miami and Washington and blame it on the Cuban government. Convinced the American public to wage war on Cuba. Yeah. Plan involved killing innocent people and soldiers, blowing up U.S. ships and Cuban refugee boats, hijacking airplanes, implanting phony evidence to implicate the Cuban government. Operation North was authorized by the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and presented to the Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara before President John F. Kennedy rejected it.

So, Kennedy rejected this. Remember this? Yeah, yeah. Wallgate rings, JFK is remember before we should be thankfully stopped this. But. Dude, I've never heard about this. Listen. This is crazy.

I know. But we think about in the context of being in 2024, how crazy is it? To stage, terrorist attacks, we'd call that a false flag now. right yeah on American citizens just say it military targets there's two numbers

involved yeah just say it six nine it's close close but no cigar that is a number nylon yeah no no I mean

but you hadn't heard of this I mean again here is this is like the most depressing list ever honestly you guys talk about funny things they're like the kids are loving this yeah hey kids

Have you heard 9-11? Guess who did it? Can you guess who did it? It's all these new images. You guys have seen that kids. It's all cartoon characters. That's just George. Was it me?

Jeffrey the giraffe? Dude, have you seen the kids ministry thing? There's a dude who like got this paint like picture back in the kit that they give when they dismiss church. He's showing his wife. He's like, why is our little like she was like young? Like he's like, why are they coloring? it's the twin towers as a coloring sheet.

Wow. Yeah. Guys haven't seen that? Youth group was lit. No, I have not seen that. It was like a four-year-old or something. I like the idea that you had future predictions. What do we think is going to happen?

Oh. I mean, we're going to look back. We're about to find out who's a profit and who's a false profit. Yeah. And we have to stone you. We'll take it out of stone you. Yeah, that's right. That seems like high stakes.

Do you think we reached 2030? As a human race, as a planet. Yes. Yeah? Do we reach it? We're already there. No, I'm saying. Like, it isn't going to be done.

Like parallel dimension? Yeah. That's what I'm my own way. I'm okay with that. It just, it really feels like they're setting the stage for something, like a pivot. Yeah. And not even a pivot, a, a 180 to a new world thing, you know. It sounds so.

I mean, I grew up with like my grandma and stuff, just like being like, Revelation, the anti-crass. And like it's- 99 reasons Jesus goes back in 99. Yeah. But I mean, dude, there's some truth to it. And like there's like, you look at just our atmosphere, our society, the news, what's happening in the world,

and these insane natural catastrophes are happening. You know, like North Carolina. Carolina, what happened in Spain recently. Like, this is, this is wild stuff. Like, this is not a normal, at least in my lifetime, I've not seen so much stuff. And that could be possibly because we have more access to technology and people can post whatever at any time all across the world. Yeah.

But it seems very specific of what's happening. It seems like there's a very clear narrative that has been written. and I think something is going to happen soon. And, golly, now it was like the time to like truly just like understand what is true and what is not true. And like for us, it's like the simplest fact of like what is true is just Christ, you know? And I truly believe that like the spirit can just really give us discernment. But you have to be in tune with what is true and not be.

That's the only way to tell. Not be MK. Ultraud. And even too, with everything falling apart, the Bible says he gives us a piece that goes beyond all our understanding. And so the only way that that piece is remarkable is if legit, everything's falling apart. They're like, how is that dude okay in this chaos? And it's like, and he calls the shots. He wins in the end.

I'm good. Yeah. I think like often on our show, we kind of see how. how history repeats in biblical stories. So I think we will go through some sort of 10 plagues of Egypt again, where we will see sort of a series of supernatural, maybe judgments, but,

you know, we will always be provided with a way to survive through. Yeah. Well, that's interesting, too, that thought of just like, because your podcast with Joel,

where you're talking about the 10 plagues was a representation of the 10 gods of Egypt. Yeah. That was, God was directly showing that he is the one God. He's showing dominion. He's showing dominion over. So like what are the things in our society now that would be plagued as these entities, dominions, you know, like, and what are those?

What are our idols? What are the plagues going to be, you know? Yeah. I definitely think. Just TikTok influence is coming at your door. Well, I think. Oh no. Let's see football.

Let's see a shut down. But you can say, you know, you can see like Haman's Gallo. right this idea that you're trying to you can hang on your own evil plan that is sort of a universal truth where the haman's gallows it's when he was trying mordecai yeah sorry of hamann do you have you tracked his lineage hey oh no dude haman goes back to like valleys of canaan like there's like you can piece together that he's got some some giant ethnicity there we go if he built gallows in order to hang what let's let's look at it from like the political landscape like there was a lot of evidence that came out that Trump was supposed to run against Hillary.

And they set that up and they just, you know, purposely squashed all the other candidates because they thought they were a shoe in. And then next thing you know, he becomes like target number one. That's all that we've heard about for the last. And so it's like you set up this thing, you think you're going to over overcome it. And then that thing ends up turning and you end up having to deal with your. And I think that's sort of how God's justice works is that we these evil manipulative plans behind. It's like the one stone, the one rock takes down this entire Philistine empire

because, you know, it's the least likely thing that's going to bring it all down. But, you know, I think that the themes repeating is something we hear a lot on our show is that, you know, you can't predict the future, but you can predict the future's, like, movie plot based on previous, you know, what's happened in the past. And so I think something's coming. And I definitely think that the Genesis 6 narrative is coming again. That is, you can become, you can become a hybrid. Like the gods.

You can become. Even me? You can upgrade. Even you. Oh. Well, your dad is Bigfoot though. NERAL. But I think in the next decade, in our lifetime, the temptation to become a cyborg will more like God.

Yeah. In a way. Like it's just like you can be better. Yeah. It won't be done through genetic manipulation or it could. It could. But I think because we can manipulate. technology in terms of wires and electricity to put that into a human but in a biological form.

So how are you going to compete in the future without like AI built into your brain and body? It's always about like existing beyond what we're supposed to be able to exist. And like I watch the thing about Nirling. It was like this hypothetical or it can take a snapshot of consciousness. And so if it can do that, then you could literally pull, you know, take out the SD card and put it into another, you know, biological thing. But now it's like that Johnny Depp movie where he like lives on in technology. But literally, I mean, that would be like a babble like, you know, attempt to exist forever.

Or take the brain out. Could you stop it? Thank you. He didn't say he wants to do that. So I think talking about like the hypothetical application of the technology. I think I think a good point, Huber, though. Like it's like, where are we, right? Yeah.

And I think almost since, I mean, since Jesus was crucified and raised from the dead. people have thought there in the end times. It's kind of where I would go back to. Like, if you thought a destruction of the temple in Jerusalem and the raising of Jerusalem and Rome owning the known world, you would think that was near the end. If you were near Crackatoa in 1883. It was. Listen, I mean, you have a volcano in 1883 that blacks out the sun for 300,000 square miles for weeks.

You'd think this is the apocalypse. During World War I, the Great War, where more millions upon millions of men die more than ever in a court of history. You think this is the end. War II, you have an Antichrist figure in Hitler who was trying to take over the normal world. You'd be like, this is Armageddon. I think the one key factor for me, because people, I always say that to people. Yeah. Or they're like, well, what about everyone throughout history?

I always think it's the end. Yeah. The one key factor in my brain that is, but I can't shake is the whole story of the red heifers, the rebuilding of the third temple, that, well, we may have an Ark of the Covenant. We have a replica of the Arch of the Covenant right now in Israel. was also at Trump's house for eight months. That's another story. That's interesting.

He was just melting Nazis everywhere. But that factor in and of itself, it's just like, to me, I'm just like, it could be a year from now. It could be 100 years from now, but it really feels like there is like a movement happening right now. Has there ever been technology like we have? Like, as far as internet connection, like all that's like that's, like, as far as we know, never happened in history. that seems like almost a definitive, like in our era, that stands out. Well, eventually the citizens can't rise up and destroy. The technology is so great that they can't rise up and conquer their and turn down. I saw that movie. Never seen the matrix. Well, the empire is, it eventually gets

impenetrable. You know, you can't, it can't stop it. It has, they can just mow down. If you don't go along with it, you're done. But I think that, you know, the original temptations of Genesis 6 are going to happen again. And I think it's, it's the difference between. something that is true, but it's also a truth, right? So if you think about, like Jordan Peterson talks a lot about this. Like the Bible is a different kind of true. It is the foundation which all truth is built upon. So you can't know if anything's actually true

unless you go back to the original source of what is true. And so the story of, you know, the prodigal son is not only, you know, it's a type of truth. It is true in the sense that the younger son is jealous of his older brother and it doesn't like his dad. That is a truth that we've all experienced in family dynamics. But it is also a truth in the sense that, you know, there's going to become a time when the younger sibling comes back

into the family of God, that something is, you know, we're going to go back and we saw that in history, you know. And just the same is like Jonah and the whale is a truth. Like, you know, for three days, this guy that's supposed to liberate is stuck in darkness. What does that sound like? you know, there's these truths that kind of repeat.

So revelation is true in the sense that it continues to happen, but there will be, I think, a final movie, a final revelation, a final cycle. Cycle. So people go, well, it already happened. No, it keeps happening over and over and over again. And the circle and the circle.

And so I think what you're describing is that there's going to be a final showdown with the dragon. You're going to pull out. Yeah. But to the point. All to the point, though, like a hooperer-you-s-down-d drowns. I think the end, we're at a point where now we can remove our humanity, which is exactly a Genesis 6 days of Noah's.

I think we've ever reached that point where we can literally alter our genome genetically and technologically to become, what you're at superhuman, human 2.0 or not human, right? Or at 7-11, do it at the corner star. This is the seed war, Gen 6, right? Is that the removal of it, not that whole point there was to remove a pathway for the Messiah. from Genesis 3. But in this point now,

it feels a lot more like revelation where the people will beg for death and it will not come for them. Yeah. So you're finally, your consciousness is uploaded into AI or AI is you're always on the internet, right? So then suddenly at some point

they can flash. Just mean it all day long. They can flash whatever they want into your brain. Because right now you have the ability, you still have control. Yeah. You can still put the phone down. You can turn out,

you can pull the plug and you can go back to being just a regular human. But now they're communicating through dreams. Yeah, you see that? Really? Like they have a company that's communicated one word through a lucid dream. Two different people, two different rooms. And so it's like, what is that?

They're buzzing into your dream. What does that mean? There's a whole episode there on that. Yeah, like, that's just, that's just the tip of the iceberg at this point. Like, it's going to be, you're going to be having conversations. This is going to be a life that you can live. So here's a question for each of you. When do you go too far?

When can you escape Pleasure Island and not be. completely turned into a donkey. When does it happen? When's the moment? Where's technology? When do you say no? What's the line? Yeah. I mean, yeah, that was what I wanted to talk about a little bit was just like it talks about like in the end that there's going to be so many that are deceived. And I think the church in general, I'd probably mainly see like the American church, they're very ignorant with that. They're like they've already painted in their picture and maybe that's through books and movies and stuff like this is what the antichrist is going to look like this is exactly what the in times are going to look like and you're talking about when people are being deceptive it's like these

are christians these are believers who are being decepted i really believe that there's going to be this great great deception to the church and they will have no idea because they're going to be numb to everything and so like how convincing is it going to be yeah like what is it going to like what is that going to look like where it's so convincing so many people like just say yeah this is it My brain is, I have this whole web of stuff, but like, I mean, MK. Ultra and stuff, like, they do it little by little. Yeah, it's a slow drip. That's a drift.

And so it's not going to be for us, like, when we experience whatever it's going to happen, it's going to be like, boom, there's this guy on TV and he's like, I'm Jesus. Yeah. It's like, I don't think it's going to be like that. I think it's going to be a little trickle stuff. It's going to numb and blind a lot of Christians. And what was your original question? Like, where's the line?

Where's the line? Yeah. I think that's solely based off like you truly have to be in God's word and truly have or pray for like God to give you discernment about things. Yeah. And I think that's the only way because otherwise it's going to come through like a microchip. Do you think it's going to come through an actual person or an alien? I think it's going to come through a person. I think it's going to, but that's what I think it's going to be one thing. I think it's going to be multiple things. Yeah. If not hundreds of things that could all add up into one great. Let's what's reverse engineer.

this conversation, it will come with a moral, ethical choice, right? We know whatever it will, and, you know, there will be some sort of staged event. So they will, you will have to choose, you will think you were doing the moral choice and then they will cause. Or a better choice for everyone. Because it's going to be more tempting to like, it could be like promising a better life. It could be, yeah. And then there will be a solution. So Satan, the original one was like, here, no, this isn't this is what you should do. This is the moral. This is the better moral. choice, right? And then ultimately it was slavery. So the fourth part of that is we will all be enslaved. So you will have a, like, you're presented with an ethical choice. There will be a staged

reason why you have to make the choice. They will present the solution and the solution will ultimately be slavery. And I think that can come in a thousand different ways in the future. But I think those four things, we can look at the Bible. We can apply that and we can see. This is kind of how they always deceive people is like, no, do this. the moral thing. But like, yeah. We're going to take care of you.

Yeah, we're going to take care of you. Just say that you're going to agree to our rules. Okay, cool. And then those rules change. Yeah. And then down the line, it's just a whole lot tougher.

And you're like, I've dug myself quite a hole. You know, like it's, and they're stuck. But like, think about the concept of making a choice though. Like in the moment,

you do make a decision when presented with the problem, but the decision you made is knit by a web of causality. And so I think the choice we ultimately make is actually birth of decisions we make day by day by day by day. And so this great deception, which can have like this catalyst, whatever, I think the catalyst in whichever way we go on that, you know, whatever you believe, we can all agree that the decisions we make leading up to this and just normal day-to-day life

have tremendous incomparable impact on where we end up and arrive. Like you look at the precedent scripture with like Pharaoh hardening his own heart through this. sequence of events. You know, you look at the, you know, the path people are on is so rarely like just a black and white, A, B. It's like a series, a spectrum of, you know, white, gray, black. It's almost like 50 shades of it or something like 70s. At least 100 shades. Not that erotic, but, yeah, it's just a lot of gray. It might be. Right. It could be. Actually, could be. Yeah. I would say if worse comes to worse, you just invest in both flex. That's honestly, that's the best advice. That's what we want to leave you. And Aero, this podcast is brought to you

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We're Boflex boys. Not me. Doge coin. Yuck. Dude, I'm back in. But I think like seeing the cycle, seeing the circle, seeing the circle, seeing the idea that it, you know, we did it. We had an awesome time with you guys at BlurieCon.

And it was an incredible experience because we got to watch. sort of all these speakers come and sort of give messages that like intertwined with each other. And I think one of the main things was that, you know, that Doug Van Dorn presented is that Jesus started his miracles and he went in a big circle based on where he think was, he was geographically.

So he starts at the mountain and he ends at the mountain. Oh, cool. And then he goes all the way in this loop. And so ultimately, I think people go, well, what's our hope or who do we put our trust in? And I think that's why Jesus, is always described as the king of kings because there are higher principalities

and powers where I think we're behind these nefarious things and you could realize that like, it's like C.S. Lewis and there's deeper magic. So they think this is the plot. This is the thing that's going to kind of bring down humanity. But ultimately built into

human DNA is sort of a rescue plan. So I think something, being an image of God himself, is very important, this conversation. It's like you have to be careful about, if you don't know what you're created, what image you have, then you have,

it's almost like with kids and being fathers, you start to realize like family is different, like when you were part of the bloodline, and if you don't realize that you are the bloodline of God himself, there's so much comfort in that. And like, that's the whole thing. This whole podcast was very scary for a lot of people probably.

but like that we should not have fear. Like yeah. It's if you do have fear, that's okay because that's a pretty natural reaction to everything we talked about. But like the spirit of fear is not the spirit of God. And like we just need to rest

in the fact that we're the bloodline of Christ. You know, like if you accept Christ, you are now in the bloodline and that's the most secure thing ever. Yeah. Yeah. Which is a very practical way of looking at things, which is a very physical,

pretty simple, rational, simple. Down to Earth. A couple of Florida men down here. Yeah. Simple. Simple. Simple, maybe not. Simple.

Simple. Simple kind of man. Yeah. All right. Here's what I want. Last question. Like, transhumanism.

How do you think it's going to happen? Your partner? I've never thought about this question in my life. But if you had to ask me, if it's going to be a lot of people deceived, it's going to be super simple. So it's like a car wash. just drive through here say yes check the box that you're willing to have your mind just completely dumped whatever

car wash I mean did you hear what Elon talked about it he's going to be the most affordable thing ever and it'll take five minutes to do this surgery everyone's going to do it and so many people are going to do it the fact that it can be maybe not five minutes let's call 15 minutes

I mean the fact that you can't he said really fast just a quick van that pulls up real quick just like a ceramic coating on your vehicle yeah yeah But it's really, he's trying to make it so affordable. Like, it's like anyone can do it. Yeah.

All right. I'm gonna get for my kids. Andrew, what do you think? Yeah, just, just the fact that it can be disconnected and reconnected elsewhere, it seems like it's the most logical current technology we have to go on in. Don't put the chips in your brain, people. It's like, it's like you back Sunday. It's just say yes, say yes, say yes.

And I only say that because I think at the Tower of Babel, there's evidence to suggest they were doing non-invasive surgery. they were doing something physical, but they were conjuring sort of a genetic change. And this is one of the debates that rages on our show is how did the giants come back after the flood? And I think they had some sort of occultic technology, which we are now using sort of wires, machinery to bring about this outcome that we want. But I think you can go another route. You can literally summon the demon and that. can change you physically and that that those two kind of coming together I think is how

you mainly will ultimately enslaved but uh do you guys you guys scare me golly hey that's why I've had to peace I know it's been heavy in the studio first episode in with our no this is really good it's so fun so thank you guys give it out guys new studio thanks for letting us be a guest we love you love you all so much so it's so good to hang man so good to hang and now we're gonna do we're going to cut to our to our our interview after or we're going to get a chance to talk to our guests and learn a little about them more on a personal level less about their expertise and your expertise is are wide let's be honest you have experts and many things so we're going to tread on to some different different topics and we're going to and dandy will be sureless they're

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Gentlemen, what have you learned? Where's your brains in the beginning of doing the podcast and where are they now? What do you think is real? What do you think isn't real? Are you hopeful? do you think the aliens have taken over? Are we in a alternate universe, parallel universe? Is this a simulation?

Is Donald Trump the Antichrist or the Savior of America? Give us it all. All of the love. Yeah. All of the above. Yes. Yes to all of it. How does your brain?

How is where you are now? When we started ninjas or butterflies, it was, we didn't know what we were doing. we're like we want to do a comedy podcast and I love conspiracy theories and love like past dance are you over it now no it's my not it's a sickness that's what consumes they're no longer theories no we were talking about it all the time we were talking about crazy stuff all the time in the office yeah and yeah so we like and we always knew we want to start a podcast so like it's one of those things where it's like we just wanted it to look right yeah and it's sick that we're friends now because truthfully, a lot of what we talk about,

you guys get the just rock solid guest on your podcast. They're just like just the connection of like the weird, weird, but with connecting it to Christ and stuff. And it's just like, dude, that's what we want to be. But funny. But funny. You know, because we can't be. I like that, but funny.

You just want to be like a couple of bros, a bunch of, kids like talking about listening to blurry creatures basically. But I mean it's right you guys started this like really to with your shirts on. Well to be like a promotional aspect of Sunday cool right? You guys didn't really have this idea that all of a sudden you would be, you know, I have a million subscribers and it would be what it is like yeah. We had no idea. We talked about this a lot before.

I mean the other night as well about how it's funny how how God works and how things work because you know, Nate and I, I would say in some ways, we backed into what we're doing because, I mean, you don't start something thinking, I don't want it to be terrible and no one to listen, but you also don't have an expectation that people are going to listen. I never had an expectation of a, or resonate.

A 1985 official Bo Jackson poster being hanging on a wall behind me as he talks about Bigfoot. Yeah, absolutely. I drew it up sort of like that, but not completely. No. What's that journey been like for you, for you guys? Yeah, it's been, who are you? Really?

To who we don't even know really Come on. Dude, it's no. Our whole goal is just to be as authentic as possible and there's no scripted you don't submit

Return to the garden. Your skin's really hard to the garden Before the animal shows. Oh, cool. All of it. Yeah, I like it. But yeah, we like that I've been doing the content stuff.

I was like being skits and stuff for like youth groups. You are cool Carl. Yeah, cool. Carl for big time six was it like six years before 2016 is when you started so yeah and we started the pod in 2022 yeah and what really resonated was just being raw and authentic and you could be dumb and funny and also present Christ all in the same genre and we wanted that with the podcast and it just developed into we can talk about really freaky scary things

too, but also be really dumb and funny at the same time, you know? While having our hope, you know, like. While having our hope anchored in Christ. Like, that's a cool thing is I think it's just like we are just so wacky. And I think it's amazing that we have this job where we can literally be ourselves to the fullest where it's like, this is entertainment. Like, this is crazy. It's so wild.

And like the fact that like we could be ourselves and that's important to other people. Like other people find that important, which is crazy to me. But like, that's such a cool thing. Like, it's such a neat thing. And the fact that we could do it, Shirlis is even better. Yeah. Dude, for me, it's been a trip because Josh was like, hey, like, you know,

started talking about the podcast. His dad's the CEO of the company. He was like, so you got us some equipment. We're playing around with this. And I'm not lying to you had never listened to a podcast. That's amazing. I think it was like three months into us having a podcast. You're like, I probably should start listening to podcast.

I was like, I don't. And he was like, so we're going to get this stuff. we're going to start cutting it together and I don't I haven't even been editing video like I started editing video in the pandemic and you got millions and millions of people it's a weird it's a weird it's a weird journey and so people ask for the formula and like what the inspiration was and and it truly was turn the cameras on to the conversations that were happening yeah when we weren't doing the other work we were supposed to be doing you know like Josh would show I'd be like dude I saw this thing on TikTok and he'd like go all in and then Andy would chime in with something else he

heard and I'd go in and next thing you know know the cameras are rolling and we're running a show basically doing what was already happening for so long. I mean, for us, I mean, for me, it's kind of the same thing. Like, I think interesting, like, interestingly enough, like the conversations that Nate and I have, outside the academic sort of having an expert on, like these conversations around this topic is like what I talked to my buddies around with a cigar and a bourbon around a fire is like all the weird stuff that's going on. How do we talk about? How do we think about this as Christians for blurry, right? I love that because I think that's what resonates with me. I love your show. just as your friend, but also like, I love what you guys do because it's funny, but it's very authentic. I think in a world where everything is, we talked about during our main episode, like there's so much deception, so much narrative, so much stuff that's pushed, that people are hungry for the truth and really hungry for authenticity.

Yeah. Right. And I think people can smell it when it's not, like very easily. And there's something comforting knowing like we're ignorant to certain things. Yes. Like it's like, okay, cool. these guys also don't know what's going on. But like, but we have a podcast that they can listen to and other people, like, they can comment and listen.

But it's like, like the fact that we can claim, hey, we don't know what's going on, but here's what's happening in the world. And we could break it down. Yeah, here's our thoughts. Make up your own mind. And like that, I think that's so comforting is a lot of people just don't. They just don't feel alone now. And like, you guys have opened such an avenue where it's like, I've had a really weird

experiences or really weird thoughts. I don't know how to make sense of them, but other people are feeling the exact same way. It just brings us together. There's a lot of podcasts where it's hard to jump in. Our podcast is a little bit harder to jump in, like, right in the middle of it. Because there's this prerequisite knowledge that you have to kind of have about creatures, Bigfoot, ancient history. Some theology. Yeah.

And so, you know, sometimes it's harder to bring new listeners in because they're like, wait, these guys are talking about something that have no concept. But I think when you make it more fun, more palatable and more just like, you know, you can start with any ill. conspiracy theory. Yeah. It's, you can jump in. So I think you guys can appeal to like a much broader audience. Yeah,

I think that's what's, I think that's why we've built such a big audience is because we're going, what is this? This will be episode 116. Yeah, they're just, and our audience is learning everything with us. So it's like,

it's almost like they're in the room with us just being bros and being friends. And they're helping us too. Yeah. They're like, hey, by the way, check this out. And we're like, awesome.

So it's like the fact that like it's such a thing we're just we're just finding our way like in that and we just don't know understand what God's doing with all of it and that's the tough thing it's like you kind of let go of like I have no idea how this is gonna turn out like sitting here right now it's like this is this is bonkers on every level but it's like God has you here so it's just you show up and you do it yeah yeah no I agree completely I think like that's for Nate and that same thing I we talk about ours podcast being a journey podcast it's like people that that come along are on the same ride we are we're

We're just doing the interviewing. Like, we're not the experts, although with four years of this under our belts, I think we're becoming pseudo, maybe fluent. I wouldn't say expert, fluent in the subject matter, right? But we're on the same journey. Like, every time we interview someone we haven't talked to or people we have talked to talk about a new topic, it's new for us, for the most part. We try to keep it that way.

But it's something cool about that. I guess why there's communities that exist around the work is that you're along for the ride. Yeah. And our reactions and questions are authentic in the moment because, we don't really know. We're not like, this isn't a five-point sermon. Yeah. This is us just being like, well, what does that mean?

Yeah, that's, how does that work? Like, as a pastor getting on a podcast, like, you're getting ready to preach. And it's like, man, like, there is pressure to be like dead sure about anything coming out of my mouth. And so to get to be able to come on the podcast, it honestly feels like, like you're in Bible college, professor dropped something. Yeah. And you're like, what do I do with that? And you go to the cafeteria and you're just having a, what's just that?

He's taking photos. I'm just taking pictures of the naked Andy. Well, I got an idea. I got a question for you. What's one thing each of you guys believe now that you didn't before he started? It's like kind of. It's so much because I honestly like I was I was into very real world conspiracies, JFK, John Bé Ramsey, like true crime stuff.

So like that other realm of angels even, I mean, aliens being anything like anything spiritual, that had never even crossed my mind until we started the pod. And so I feel like that's, That's what I like doing is I like, I try to like learn up more, but I'm like, I kind of like just being surprised about Josh coming to. He's like, did you know this? And I'm like, I did it now. Yeah. So it's so fun. Yeah. For me, it's the book of Enoch. Not that I didn't believe in it. I didn't know enough about it. But I remember because I went to Bible college for one semester. Then I dropped out because it was too much. But I asked about the book of Enoch and they're just like, no, you can't. We don't talk about it. Don't read that. And then with the dudes that you've had on, your copy with Tim Alarino and stuff, it's just like, dude, it just connects. Like it like for me, because like we were studying just like all these like ancient civilizations and just like stories of giants and demons and star people and like, uh, in Anaki and like, dude, the book of Enoch, it's like it just sums it up. It's like, yeah, this is what it is. You know, it's like the only written thing that is like connected to scripture.

You probably can't call it scripture. No. Yeah, it's like elevated to that status, but it also was important enough. Yeah. That for the Aesnes who were an apocalyptic sect in Qumran, it was a second most copied book they had behind the work of Isaiah. And then also First Peter and Jude quoted directly. Obviously they studied in temple, right? the first part, right, the book of the Watchers was studying in Temple in that time, the time of Christ

and before. I mean, the copies predate Christ, right? So we don't know how far back that goes, but as far as it's provenance, but it was important enough that it's quoted by the authors of the New Testament. And what the coolest thing about it was that they like, it really did. It gave a bigger fullness validation to Christ and like what he came to do. You know, like it was literally Genesis 6 was expanded. Yeah. And that's the book of Enog. But the references of Christ and the son of man and stuff is just like it enriches

everything. Well, I think it's fascinating about that that, right, is that the book, Genesis 6, especially the first four verses are just four verses. And so what you're saying is what I think the ancients knew, they knew. It would be like talking about something that's very fluent to our culture. Like I don't get to explain this to you guys. Like I don't have to explain what TikTok is to you. I can reference it.

I don't have to explain, oh, it's this app that works on your phone. And then, you know, it's developed in China, but people dance on it, right? That would be redundant. So for the time that's written, it's redundant. They just said, you know about the story. You know the story. We're not going to only unpack it for you. The book Vinoff does, which is a really interesting sort of departure or traveling back to the ancient Near East and understanding that, like, they knew all this stuff.

That's why it wasn't overly explained. Some things that shouldn't have been lost or forgotten. Let's go. What are you? You know what I mean? That was my thought too. Sorry. Just real quick on the book of Enoch.

I'm sorry. Really am. But I'm like, what a convenient time for the book of Enoch to be like start making rounds within the very beginning. Isn't it for a future generation? It's like the first line of the book. What we're experiencing right now with like the chaos and like, oh, the government's like, yeah, we got UFOs.

We got non-biologics. Yeah, people are not human biologics. Yeah. So reading that and it just doesn't seem relevant. at that time. So Billy, but nowadays it was like, this is so prophetic.

The ideas behind it are very prophetic. It's got a ton of prophecy and prophecy around Son of Man, Christ too, which is really interesting. Well, they go back to the Lord of the Rings. You don't realize

there was a ring until things start heating up again and you start going, wait, why? I think Tolkien was on it. What's happening? Lord of the Rings, you mean the scriptures?

Me and Andrew were trying to do research, mainly Andrew, on the fact that we think Jared Tolkien read the book of Enoch and was well versed in it. And that's what inspired a lot of Lord of the Rings. It was a lot of signs. It's a lot of connections.

The epic of Gilgamesh, what was the name of the city? Yeah. Uruk. Yeah. It's like, oh. These all things all connect. And then Gilgamesh supposed to be huge and the whole that. Someone was telling me about this tomb.

You heard the story about Gilgamesh's tomb? The being. It comes out of the river parts. It comes out of the river. They bury him and it goes back in to the river floor and the river covers it over. This is a story of the tomb of Gilgish. And you go, what's happening there? That's bizarre.

Not to depart, but. No, you're good. You're good. I mean, for me, it's also inok. You know, it was always like, I'm, I'm, it's so easy for me to like start to look into something to get the first Google search that lets me be lazy. And it's like, oh, apocry, I'm not diving in. But then the conviction you fall under is like, I've used the argument, like the story of

the flood is in all these other, you know, these all these other places, these different nations, different parts of history. ancient civilization as a flood story. It's like if I'm going to use that argument to to push the biblical narrative of the flood, I've got to look at what else is going on overlapped with scripture and with the Book of Beanoch. And so it's like star people, watchers, all this stuff. It's like, it was completely dismissed. The Mooneyed beans of the Cherokees of the Cherokee or the Choctaw? I think it's a chocket of the moonite beans. All these all, things you're not going to find in the TV guide. I mean, I mean, I know we're going back a little bit to this one,

but like, how did you guys all meet? Like, this is the backstory of ninjas. I mean, we've It's not as fine. No, I was, I was a youth pastor in Missouri doing some, like, comedy stuff for my youth ministry online, and then he saw me. And then I started writing for him. And then I got a job offer out of nowhere. I was doing. Yeah.

For the videos and stuff. Yeah. Yeah. And so I got a job offer out of nowhere at a conference from them. And then I moved down in 2019. And then it was 21 when you came? Yeah. 21?

21. Yeah. Yeah. We had done a video project. I was helping some youth pastors back. Fort Walton during the pandemic. Yep. And I knew I wanted to continue with video

and the church wanted to kind of leave that ministry behind going out of the pandemic. So we split it. It was healthy. And then I like literally before I had the job, we were talking, but, you know, nothing was done. And I'd sent them a DM. I was like, you guys hiring for anything? And they were like, we actually kind of, kind of are.

What are you looking into? So I like bought his house side unseen and like moved to Therese. That's what you have. to do that. Yeah. Josh said you're going to buy my house or you don't have a job. Yep. Oh,

that's nice leverage. What about it? I mean, you told us the story, but what our audience? Like, what about ninjas or butterflies? How does that name,

the name of your show come about? All right. So everyone watching this, if you, if you tell anyone that's not watching this right now, does Patreon even know? You have to come up with a different answer. That's what I said,

this is exclusive. This is not even a secret anymore. Yeah. I know the answer. Don't. What camera? Don't. four right there. No, I'm saying don't to them.

Don't tell anyone. Because this has been from episode one. We said that. Oh, I didn't know that. I don't even have to answer it then. You asked some of the forbidden band name. I didn't realize that was a thing. It is. It's actually a thing. We should answer on the last episode.

Okay. Then I hate to. It's like six cents. And you're like, do the guy's dead. And you're like, you're about to do it. I don't want to. We should just say. I would like that scoop.

But I know. We said on our first episode, our last episode will tell. that's why we named it. Okay, that's a pitch. So the very last episode. Yeah. So Jesus comes back. There's no last episode.

You never know why. We'll catch us in heaven. I know you have to, you have a flight to catch. I do. So we have to wrap this up. You gotta go back to the babies. Well, dude, hey.

Flood babies. I love you guys, man. I love you guys are the best. In a quick moment, like the fact that you guys would come up here. Yeah. And literally come to our conference, spend time with us like on your own time outside of,

your responsibility. No, they live in the neighborhood. It means a lot. Yeah. I mean, yes, in blurry land, they do live in the neighborhood. You gotta go back. You gotta go back now. This is our third time doing a podcast together.

The fourth time, we gotta do the whole Joe Rogan thing where we're like three and a half hours. I'm in. All right. We'll do it in Florida. Thanks for being- Let's do with Joe Rogan. Oh, we have to do Joe. Andrew's like, I'm not heading four hours.

So we'll do it here. Yeah. Well, thanks guys for, thanks for obliging our members. Thanks for telling us some fun stuff. And give us a little backstory and you'll have to just join their membership if you want to know You know what where the origins of the nature of butterflies come from but thanks dudes and uh travel safe or you can pay me one million dollars and I will tell you absolutely I'll love you guys I'll call this number here later thanks guys see you guys