Blurry Creatures - EP: 1 Bigfoot The Gateway Drug

Episode Date: August 7, 2020

Nate Henry is a touring musician and podcaster, who over the last 10 years has personally taken a deep dive into the world of Bigfoot, giants and all things crypto. Now afraid to even venture into the woods alone, he is joining forces with podcast veteran Luke Rodgers to create a show digging deep to find the truth behind the legend of Bigfoot and other blurry creatures on the fringe of science and reality. In this episode, Nate and Luke follow the major pillars of evidence and lay a foundation for taking this subject seriously. Before we speak to the experts and witnesses, and take the listener down the rabbit hole--digging for the truth, we need to set up framework for evidence and why there are good reasons to believe.  blurrycreatures.com @blurrycreatures  outro music: Timecop1983.com  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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yeah what are blurry creatures great question around the world there's these like documented sightings of all kinds of creatures and I think blurry multiple meanings there they're blurry because Science doesn't recognize them. Science, quote, unquote. They're blurry because they blur the lines between what is supposed to exist and what doesn't exist. There's been whispers and cries from people seeing creatures for hundreds of years. They go by the names of like Moth Man, Jersey Devil, Dog Man, Bigfoot, Bominal Snowman, werewolves.

Sometimes even people see like dinosaurs they're describing in remote parts of the world. to this day near the Congo and Papua New Guinea, places like that. And they're blurry because, you know, the most obvious one is like in a panic stupor, someone sees something, they pull out their phone, they try to take a picture. You know, their heart's beating so fast. But, I mean, they always do come out blurry. It's a frustrating thing. Is it like, oh, see that a blob over the next to the tree?

That's it. So, blurry creatures, man. That's a name I came up with. And I think it's got multiple meanings. Welcome to blurry creatures. All right, so my name's Nathan Henry, for those of you listening, for the past 10 years, I've pretty much gone down every rabbit hole I could find about the topic of Bigfoot, which led to other creatures. Speaking of Bigfoot, I think it's a great place to start. I've watched almost all the documentaries, listened to thousands of hours of podcasts.

I read all the articles. I watched plenty of bad videos. People post. Like, there's some, like, these, you know, blogs where, like, they post, like, the latest. video that came out. I've seen some pretty good ones. There's a couple like every once in a while every like 250 videos. There's like one. It's like, whoa, that thing was big and it moved, and it didn't look like a, didn't look like a guy in a suit trying to pull a hoax. But every new piece of information that I found sort of led to the next. And soon I was talking to my

friends, my wife. And I kind of realized, uh-oh, like I'm into this topic. But, you know, there's kind of this point where like things transitioned where you still. start to be afraid to go in the woods and you realize, okay, I'm, I'm past the point of, like, do I think these things exist? It's like affecting, like, if I'm walking around the woods, I'm like, I'm not the guy I was before I started reading all this information and listening all this information. So I've been wanting to do a podcast forever. And when it comes to podcasting, you've got to find the right co-host. You've got to find someone who's passionate about the topic and have some sort of outside credibility, I think, and not just like,

this crazy guy in his mom's basement, talking about Bigfoot. So, yeah. Although that is compelling. It can be. I mean, maybe if you're this crazy guy, people love you. But what about you, Luke? What's, what's, tell us all about yourself? Well, Nate, I'm happy to be a part of what you're doing here.

And I really think that for me, you know, people always ask you, what do you want to be when you grow up? And I think we're all in that transition stage of, or all of us feel like we still have growing up to do. and I think if I were to grow, you know, to have that job when I grow up, I want to be a treasure hunter. I've said that for a while now. And to me, this is one of the, this is the, this is the greatest treasure hunt in the animal kingdom. This, this is a huge mystery.

I love mysteries. I love true crime. I'm, I'm, uh, I'm compelled by the mystery and the history behind, behind Bigfoot. I, um, I'm a huge history buff. I devour history. I've watched a ton of shows on Bigfoot. I actually grew up in what, What some might say is somewhat the epicenter, as far as California in the Bigfoot sidings, I'm from Northern California.

My grandmother is actually from, grew up in Happy Camp, California, which is right in the dead center of Bigfoot country, real close to where the Patterson Gimlin film. So I have family history in this. And I've come quite a way through sifting through evidence, watching documentaries. They haven't quite gone on that on that own squash hunt yet, but I'm not against it. Don't do it alone. And so this to me, exploratory-wise, I think there's so many different threads of truth and also reality that feed into this story. And it's one of those things where people talk about unicorns and yet you don't have

people that actually believe in unicorns, physical unicorns, that are somewhere in the Irish highlands, right? No one sees them. But for some reason, across the country, across the world, people continually have sighting hundreds of years of sightings, thousands of years in mythology. And there's got to be an answer. And so I'm here to kind of dive into this, you know, full, full body into this pool of kind of craziness. And like you said, it's, it's a lot of fringe, fringy type people in their basement that obsess on this. Subcultures. I don't want to, I'm not poo-poohing that at all. I'm just

saying I'm from an empirical evidence standpoint I want to I want to sift through the things that you have sifted through and I want to go on this journey and in discovering is uh these these blurry creatures from bigfoot to you know to the lock nest monster to these things that live on the fringes of reality some say in other dimensions um whatever may be uh I'm game to go to go on this treasure hunt and at the end of this rainbow I'm hoping we find bigfoot awesome they just found that that that one guy hit that treasure in like Sierra Nevada. Dude, yes. Okay, so Forrest Finn.

Were you bummed about that? Yeah, you know, it's funny. When that happened, my brother, Jordan sent me in Texas and said, did you hear they found Forrest Finn's treasure? Because my dad, literally. So I'm not joking about treasure hunting. Like, my dad comes in Nashville, and he still lives in Northern California. Mom and dad live up there, and they come out here.

I tell him to bring his metal detector. And we go on these little metal detecting trips to look for Civil War relics and things like that. on private land on that we have permission obviously not the legal type of yeah of but we've done it last couple times my dad loves it and like I love it it's the thrill of the hunt

you could find some old coins and make some real money that's the well you know you never know I think that's the fun part of it and so are you one of those guys on the beach with like the no no I don't tem with a good time but no not so much but I think that the forest fin thing is interesting in the sense that like

gosh is a real treasure that some guy who, you know, had terminal cancer that thought it was the end of his days and wouldn't hit his fortune. And it stayed out there for a really long time. I think several people died trying to find it. Yeah. And everyone was mad

at the guy like, hey, you, you... It's your fault. Yeah, I know. It's cancel culture went after him even for that. Right. I mean, yeah, just think if you're, gosh, if you, the guy that invented planes or cars. Could you imagine just finding that like, just that moment we're like sitting there for like 30 seconds?

This is, I found it. Right. And you're hoping that he, she, whoever found it, didn't mortgage their entire life to find it, only to find out that they didn't break even. Yeah, I mean, well, that's awesome because I think Bigfoot is sort of like, it's a treasure in a way that like someone's going to carry one out of the woods one of these days. And that guy, that person will be the legend, you know, the person who proved to the world that Bigfoot existed. But before we go there, I think a lot of people, let's talk about this. I think for me, there's like three different types of people listening to this podcast.

There's people who like, you say the word bigfoot, all they think is tabloids. And then there's people who are like in the middle who are open-minded, who watched a couple documentaries, has a friend who's into it, has had some discussions around the bonfire late at night with a couple beers. And then there's like experts or not, you know, like above average people who are like, it's a hobby, they go out, they know the terminology, they go to conferences, they have a Bigfoot statue in their backyard. You know what I mean?

Right. No, people live this. It becomes the obsession becomes their lives. If you watch on any of these great treasure hunters that end up finally find in the Titanic or these Spanish galleons or these amazing priceless treasures, by the time they've gotten there, they've mortgaged everything. They've gone bankrupt a number of times. They most of the time have lost family members or family or friends in the process.

And I don't think that's too. unlike some of the subculture in this, where people are so convinced that this is something that exists and is worth finding, that they sell out for it. Right, right, wrong in between. I don't say it's the treasure hunt, right? But I think even before you start looking for a treasure, though, you have all these skeptics,

you have all these people that are like, nah, it doesn't exist, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I think for us, episode one, what I'd like to unpack is like, okay, how do we get the people who are just cruising into this episode thinking of themselves. I've never actually legitimately looked into this topic. And I think over the course of the next several episodes, we'll go into depth. But you and I can go through real quickly these five major pillars.

Right. And just for a little back, just back knowledge or back story on this, is when Nate and I were talking about this podcast, I was asking him, so, you know, why do you believe that this thing exists and this is real? And what are your pillars of belief when it comes to, to Bigfoot, to Sasquatch, to Yeti, to the swamp ape, to everything you want to call them. What is him or her?

What are your pillars of belief? And for you, it came down to these five pillars of what you believe is evidence for this. And I think breaking this down is very important to lay a foundation for the rest of this journey and discovery and topic and discussion on the hairy forest, man. Sometimes it feels like when you get that phone bill, it's like the crash site document. You can't read it. There's a bunch of numbers, random fees, vague language, stuff's blacked out. You're like, what am I actually paying for?

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Mittmobles for you. Shop plans at mintmobile.com slash blurry. That's mintmobile. Dot com slash blurry. Up front payment of $45 for a three-month, five-gigabyte plan required, equivalent to $15 a month. New customer offer for first three months only, then full-price plan options available, taxes and fees extra. See Mintmobile for details. Yeah. Obviously, to me, number one's the Bible, right? You wouldn't think the Bible has anything to do with blurry creatures. Ultimately, when you go down the trail of where Bigfoot is, you'll find eventually on podcasts or documentaries, they start interviewing pastors, biblical scholars, because the history,

you know, the Bible is one of the greatest history books of all time, despite being religious text, it just talks about these creatures. So in the Bible, the Old Testament has a term that's kind of dropped real casually. several places in Genesis 6 mainly called the Nephilim. That describes these mighty men of valor. But to most people, they're giants, literal giants. And, you know, like, your pastor's probably not talked about this on Sunday morning. But there's hundreds of verses about these races of giants.

The Canaanites, the Zoomeme, the Raphaim, the Anachim. You can only imagine, like, if you're a theologian or you're someone who grew up in the church, you're like, I have never heard this in my life. This isn't a casual thing that the Bible talks about. Like, they even talk about how heavy the shields were, how tall they were. In numbers, it says they were so big. They made the Israelites look like grasshoppers. So we're talking maybe 40, 50 foot tall.

This isn't just something that is casually mentioned in the Bible. It's like a staple part of the Old Testament. That's crazy. You grew up in the church. You say here that the Nephilim were mentioned in three times as many verses as Mary, the mother of Christ, which... It's just the word giants. But still, I mean, that's, that's insanity.

You think about the reverence for Mary, especially in the Catholic faith. And Mary's basically deified in the Catholic faith. And it's like, and yet giants are talked about three times as much as Mary, Mother of Christ. Well, these tribes are even discussed even more, like the Amorites 80 times. But just the word, like, if you have your Bible app, you can just Google words, you know, and they'll show up verses.

And like, yeah, there's probably like 40 or 50 verses that just come up with giants in it. And, uh, but it just goes to show you that like weird ideas, weird verses, they don't get talked about, right? But the Bible has a lot of evidence to support blurry creatures, so to speak. And, uh, science hasn't recognized those things yet, but, uh, there is a lot of reports. They've dug up these bones of these giants, but it doesn't make the, uh, headline news like it used to. No, it doesn't. Makes you wonder. I'm, I'm interested in when we, when we hit this at full speed to understand the thought of how we can relate Bigfoot to the giants of the Old Testament and how in your research and your mind these mix because I would say that as someone who also grew

up in the in the church and a Christian church that this wasn't a topic that you had at youth group or yeah it wasn't I mean for good reason I think in a lot of ways I mean a lot of times you we talk about the gospel and this and that but it seems to be glossed over or intentionally skipped over in a lot of and I think it's because it's one of those things that things that with empirical evidence, it's just not, you know, we don't see it or we don't hear about it. Those are two different things completely. Well, I think everyone at the end of the day is afraid of being laughed at, right? And that a lot of these topics, like everyone goes, oh yeah, science would just totally be willing to prove the existence of a blurry creature.

And I'm like, not always. Like, if something is so tabloid, it's connected to your ego, your identity, your workplace, your livelihood. I've heard hundreds of accounts of people saying, like, Don't use my name. Keep my identity secret. I've seen that on documentaries, and you're like, why? Just talking about something he saw in the woods. I used to work for the Forest Department of Forestry. I'm not allowed to talk about this.

And you're like, wait a minute, there's so much weird, taboo connected to this subject. So people think, oh, you're crazy. Everyone's open-minded. Everyone's willing to accept new ideas. And I'm like, that's not the case. People are closed-minded. No. And people are more concerned about feeding their families than they are trying to come

mountains say they support the existence of some creature in the woods. So anyway, the Bible is chock full of it. If you've never heard that, you've been given the Disney version of the Bible. But the real rated R version, they have fallen angels, created these giants, and they're all over the place. So bad, perhaps that's why God destroys the world and the flood, right? Yeah. That's the rated R version. You were told probably a little bit different version.

So that's just the Bible. Hopefully we can really dive into that. some guys that are really smart with all this stuff and can really lay it out and get your mind spinning. So pillar number one for you is the Bible. What's your second pillar? So the most famous documented accounts. And it's not necessarily proven 100%. Whatever happened in these accounts was Bigfoot.

But, you know, sometimes in science, you just kind of work backwards and you pull away all the possibilities and you got to go, something happened. So the Devil's Pass incident. You're familiar with that one? Yeah. This is Russia. Yeah. In the Yellow Mountains. Yeah, absolutely.

I read the book. The Dietlov Pass, in 1959, nine Russian hikers who were students, they go up this mountain that's called Dead Mountain. Have you ever noticed that? Like, all these Devil's Peak, Dead Mountain, like Devil's Gorge. Like, why are all these mountainous crazy places

that have the words? devil in them anyway. Yeah. During the night, these dudes get attacked by something. And then they run away from their campsites. Half of them are half hypothermia. Their campsites destroyed. But here's the weird part, right?

Their bodies. They had trauma. One guy had his head smashed in. Two guys had their chest totally smashed. And then others missing eyes. And then one guy's tongue was ripped out. What do you make of that? Well, I mean, I've not only read the book,

watched some documentaries on this and they actually show some of the photos that these students took along their way. And wouldn't you know, they're taking pictures looking back and there's blurry somethings in the picture. And when they really break it down, and you look at it. There's like a Bominal Snowman in the photos? Yeah. Really?

Yeah. I didn't, I didn't read that part. That's amazing. What they believe to be. You know, again, it's, we talked about the beginning. It's this blurry stuff. But there's so many odd things about this. Whatever happened to these campers, these student campers,

they cut their way out of their own tent from the inside. So scared they didn't put on, they're in Siberia. They didn't put on clothes to be out in the cold. They ran for their lives. And they're deep in the Siberian forest in like the dead of winter. And one of the things interesting is that there's a lot of theories that they want to get away from something. something along the lines of a Yeti or a Bigfoot, even though there's a lot of what I would believe

to be circumstantial evidence, that definitely is probably the biggest possibility when it comes to a hypothesis. These students ran for their lives, ran for their lives away from their tent, away from the warmth of their tent, some barefoot, some half-dressed, cut their way out of their own tent.

So these kids were scared for their lives and then their bodies are mangled and beaten? Yeah, I read that some of them were like down the hill under a tree and they were frozen basically. They like didn't go back to their campsite. They were kind of stuck. So the ones that survived ended up getting away from this campsite. And then one was like, no, none survived.

No, no, I mean not survived the initial attack. Oh. But they were all within a couple hundred yards of their tent. None of them went back. Yeah, yeah, totally. And then one of them was found in the ravine, right, with his tongue out. Was that the one? Tongue ripped out.

I mean, just pretty brutal stuff. You think about that from like a forensic, you know, standpoint. A bear can't rip a tongue out. Can't gorge eyes out. No, it's across dexterity. Yeah. So, I mean, so this is why it makes the list, right? Because it's like this.

It's only so, like either a crazy human being in the middle of the snow. Middle of nowhere, Siberia. Yeah, Euro mountains. Yeah. Or this creature, Yeti, that's been described for thousands of years to exist in these snowy al you know, like came down. I mean, but some people would say, oh, you're just, you're making, you know,

your jump illogical leap there. You're going way too far. You know, we don't have proof that these things exist. But I'm just saying there's only a couple of things it could be. Right. And, I mean, this is just one of many. Yes.

I mean, I would say that circumstantial anecdotal evidence. I think another, and this is for me is a book called The Long Walk, which essentially is, a book written by a Polish prisoner of war who walked from a Siberian prison camp all the way to India

allegedly. Now, there's a lot of speculation about this and a lot of speculation about this story is that Rackowitz, the guy that wrote it, most people agree that he probably wasn't the person that walked. But there's a lot of evidence

that some of the Polish troops, individuals that actually did make a walk, when there's evidence that people did, provided the basis for this story. And while he was named the author, I have the belief in so were a lot of scholars that he was writing a behalf of a group of individuals who could not be named

because there's a lot of danger for some people that were still in the Soviet Union, they were still under Soviet control that could be in danger because his name was on it. Or because their names are running. True story, but it's kind of like the names and the characters have been changed to protect the identity. Okay.

What about the story that's... Well, here's the thing that's interesting about the story, right? It's an incredible saga of the human spirit and of overcoming and of doing sort of things beyond what we thought... Well, you walk from Siberia to India after you escape a prison camp. But really interesting, though, is when they're going through the Himalayas, almost as an aside, the author says that they happen to see what they believe to be Yeti, things that they couldn't unidentify animals that were by people. that walked around and left huge footprints. And it was almost an aside in the story.

And it wasn't, that's not the point of the story. The point of the story is the guy walked from Siberia to India for his freedom. It doesn't add much of the story. It's not the focal point. Yeah, and if you're an editor or you're like a, you know what I mean? You're going to go to your guy and be like, yeah, we're going to cut that part out. It doesn't lend credence to your story. You know, everything else is believable.

You know, walking Siberia to India. Yeah, totally get that. Tell something weird in the Himalayas? Yeah, I don't, you know. guy let's take away from credibility here let's just let's just let's just dump that one but no i mean it stays in there it's it's it's part of the eyewitness account and when you've seen something like that you've your conviction goes no that's that's that's the truth i want that in there right when did you read this book oh man five years ago six years ago it's been a while what did you think

about yety when then when you read the book i mean i've always been had had more than a passive interest in in the topic jump out to you like whoa yeah it was like what that was a quick little couple paragraphs about walking through the Himalayas. Well, that's like the Nephilemon Genesis. It just drops a verse or two and then it keeps going and you're like, whoa, whoa, whoa, wait, what? It's funny how that happens, right? Yeah, it is. It's interesting.

So I've, those are just two examples, I think, of one for me, one for you that we find compelling circumstantial or anecdotal evidence for the existence of crypto. Blurry creature. But that's probably those hikers is probably one of the most well-documented, like, Terror on the Mountain stories, you know. Yeah. I've seen that on Doesas of History Channel, like stuff like that. So it's a pretty popular story. I've actually heard that story on several podcasts.

Like if you're an avid podcast listener, and that one's pretty a go-to for a lot of people. So the third one for me, and this is probably the number one for most Bigfoot people, the Patterson Gimlin film. And if you're listening to this, you know, you probably have seen the video where the Bigfoot's walking along this on the can look back and there's like bumper stickers of this of this big foot it's kind of you know it was forever like the bigfoot video um yeah shot close to your hometown and a little bit further from my hometown yeah up on the Klamath River and uh so it's like 59 seconds 900 900 frames and the the weird thing about this at first when you see this you think oh yeah

it's just a fake guy in a suit but when you but the nerdy guys who get into this it's a female and it's obvious it's a female. When they really blow it up, they get high definition. You can tell it's got female anatomy when it looks back. And you're like, okay, so if these guys are going out in the woods

and they're going to hoax this film, they decided they were going to strap boobs onto this big foot and have it walk through. And think about the guerrillas that were available in 67. Hard to believe. You know, I've watched the same thing you have where they, yeah,

they break it down frame by frame, talk about the muscles, moving and rippling underneath the skin, things that you couldn't create. Yeah. And not in the 60s. CGI now, you might be able to do some of that,

but still the level of detail that you can pull off that film really lends itself to credibility. And it's not to mention that both Patterson and Gimlin are basically go to the, well, Patterson goes to his grave, saying it was real.

Yeah. And Gimlin now, he goes all the Bigfoot conferences. He's kind of a legend in this. And if we get, if we get good enough, Luke we might get him on this show he's got a great mustache dude I watched this doc last night it's like it's like it's like the old hoke hogan um stash but it's white and I mean dude wears just a bigfoot hat too I got I got it we have to just digress on this man he was on this doc really poorly produced doc I was watching last night about bigfoot

they're all poorly and he has just a hat that says big foot and this sweet Hulk Hogan stash and thinking he's legit man he's still living it still living and dying the big foot man he's 50 50 years plus later. So there's something interesting I want to note about the Gimlin film. I don't think I've ever told this anybody, but I have a theory about why they were able to capture

the best film sets. Here's my theory. They say, and I say they, I mean, people do Bigfoot. They talk about, because people will call them up and say, I have a problem. These Bigfoot are coming up to my house. We live in a rural area.

We don't know what to do. People call terrified, right? Most of these guys get phone calls because there's no one to call. It's like Ghostbusters. Who do you call? Right? You call like a guy.

who does a bigfoot podcast, be like, what do I do? Like, there's these creatures coming in my house. They're supposed to not to exist, but they're terrifying my kids. I've heard this from hundreds of stories like this. And they're like, put up some game camps. And they're like, what? Like, yeah, they don't like technology. They don't like cameras.

And you think, oh, yeah, they're not smart enough to know this. But I think these guys go in a Bluff Creek and they've got an old film camera. So perhaps it's not the kind of cameras we have now. or the technology, the infrared, the game cam, the motion track. It's just, it's, it's more like a piece of analog technology. Sure. People go, well, there's all these game cams everywhere. So why wouldn't we get all this footage of Bigfoot if it's out there?

Well, they know they're there. They know they're there. They know they're there. I got to just play Devil's Advocate, though, in this sense, like in my house, you came into my house, and I knew you were here, and you set up a game cam in my house since I know my house well. I'll just say the Bigfoot knows the woods well. If I didn't see you do that,

how would it not just have, how would it not catch me once or twice walking to the kitchen in my underwear? Or whatever. I mean, that's maybe not a great analogy, but it's one of those things that, like, I can see what you're saying. It's also.

It's hard, yeah. It's scarcity. I mean, I guess we're talking about, like, I don't know. I mean, I think the film is credible. That's what I'm saying. I just don't. I've pieced together this understanding.

that Bigfoot are way smarter. They know what's going on. They know what's in the woods, and they can avoid a game can. Okay. So, yeah. Anyway, we can go forever on that one. Let's go to your fourth pillar.

Let me recap real quick, because recaps are good. Your first pillar is the Bible, biblical evidence, Nephilim, giants, the mention of giants, the mention of tribes of giants, making the Israelites look like grasshoppers.

Your second pillar would be documented historical accounts. Things that have happened in the not so far away past but more in the modern era things like the devil's pass incident in Siberia things like the long walk three the most famous of all Bigfoot evidence and one most people point to when they say this is this is here's your smoking gun that's the Patterson Gimlin film so what's number four number four to me is native American legends and this is just I mean you could do a whole podcast on

the legends of the tribes and all the things that they dealt with. But for me, it's more, you know, there's proof in the pudding in a lot of different ways. First off, like, they say that there's almost a hundred different Indian names for Bigfoot. And some of those are like Skukum, Oma, Bukwus, but the most famous one that everyone knows, and you and I know, Sasquatch. Right. You know, it's common to the folklore that most of these Native American tribes, they describe these creatures as like nine, nine, up to, nine foot tall, six to nine foot tall. Very strong, hairy, uncivilized, smell terrible. They're forage at night. They're usually living deep in the woods. They can't really speak human languages. So they whistle.

They grunt. They have gestures. They smack things with the trees like tree knocks. The thing I like about the Native Americans, they bring a different perspective. Not only do they believe these things exist and there's just so many tribes who have the history of these things interacting with their people but they're the kind of the openers to say that they believe there there might be some supernatural powers right that opens up a can of worms that the half of the community aid they do not want to believe that they're not just a flesh and blood creature but the native virgins say they're flesh and blood skin walkers or or shapeshifters it's this supernatural element that they bring to the story not always but that makes you go okay does this does this go back

number one, the Bible. Are we talking about some supernatural creatures here? Like, what do we? You know what I mean? I'm not so close-minded to that. Right. And, I mean, there's century-old pictographs. They're drawn by the Yokuts.

They called it Mayak Dattat. They drew in a cave hundreds of years ago, a family of giant creatures of long, shaggy hair. There's a ton of names. I mean, the Sasquatch, like you said, it comes from a language, which is going to be harder to pronounce, but Haakomelam, which is spoken by a number of First Nation peoples

that are from the northwest all the way to British Columbia, and they all have their own folklore about this large, humanoid, ape-like, ogre creature that lives in the woods. In fact, there's a lot of Native American folklore talks about interactions the tribe had

with a Sasquatch. Some do they still believe that he walks with them. When something weird happens when they're doing some of their tribal stuff, they say it was Sasquatch. Yeah. But it wasn't just them, though.

I mean, I know that Native American have a, there's a long illustrious history of, of a symbiotic relationship with this creature slash being. It does cross the supernatural. Well, you know, a lot of these giant Indian burial mounds, they say that they hunted them down, killed them, buried them in these burial mounds, but they're protected, so you can't dig them up now, but not only Bigfoot, you know, there's this historical accounts of Indians killing giants. There's these burial mounds, and there's one in Ohio that looks like a snake. You can only see it from above in the, the air it's a giant snake and it's this mound and they say that i've seen that you seen that one yeah

they say it's it's buried there's just bones in that whole thing so what i don't like is a lot of people just write off native american stories as oh they're just smoking peyote and they're out in the woods you know what i mean like western science you know what i mean it's frustrating it's just oh well we know better now yeah and i don't like that attitude it's very very dismissive one i don't even think it's Native Americans. There's plenty of anecdotal stories from the 19th and early 20th century that you found in newspapers about miners and trappers,

a gold prospector and woodsman claiming to have had run-ins or seen like wild men, bearmen, monkey men, caught whatever it was. These were all firsthand accounts. You're talking my fifth pillar, baby. I was separating the Native American stories just because it's a little bit more supernatural, right? Right. Usually

the explorers aren't in the supernatural mind frame. So I set that aside. But for me, the fifth pillar is early explorers, right? Those miners, those Lewis and Clark types, you know, the Columbuses of our day, those types

of people. And it's funny because the Bigfoot community will say, oh yeah, Leif Erickson saw the Bigfoot. You know, they came over here with the Vikings. And if you look into it, actually, they were describing the native people of like I'm like Nova Scotia. Yeah, yeah. And it wasn't, they weren't

describing Bigfoot. It was kind of funny. It was just like, But some people look for that. They want it to be true. But here's some weird stuff. Let me throw this out there. Lewis and Clark, they're like one of the most famous early explorers. When they're passing over the mountains, they said they were inhabited by fierce giants, more akin to bears than people. Known as people who wear no moccasins.

They dwelt in caves among these rocky crags. They fed on roots in the flesh of horses. I've never heard that before. But they could take and steal from those who pass. through their territory. And then you've got an ex-president of the United States, Teddy Roosevelt, and the Wilderness Explorer, talking about a deadly encounter by two fur trappers

with a mountain devil. There it is again. In the bitter root range of Idaho. And Teddy was documented to have gone on many Bigfoot hunts with his sons. He was a big hunter. He was a big game hunter. And so here you have a president going out talking about this stuff. That's next level.

And you've got to think if he goes on documented hunts, for this thing. It's not like he, it's not like you and I saying, hey, Nate, let's, this weekend you go on. I'm going to go to a unicorn hunt. Let's go run around on the forest. I mean, there had to be, I mean, he had to believe and there had to be some credibility to the witnesses or to, maybe to things he'd seen with his own eyes, to actually organize a hunt with his sons to go,

to go look for it. And if you're talking about traditional hunting, we're not talking about something fun you do with your little kids. Let's go look for four leaf clover in the yard. This is actually a big game hunting. It's not just like, oh, we're going to go out and see what happens. You prepare, you plan, you execute, you do your best to blend in and make it happen. Well, here's the thing. Have you ever heard of the Abraham Lincoln quote about the giants?

No. I saved this little bit here for you. So supposedly Abraham Lincoln says this in 1848. And it's debated if he says this or not, but there is some, I can try to put in the show notes, I can maybe link to this quote. It says the eyes of the species of extinct giants, whose bones fill the mounds of America have gazed on Niagara

as ours do now. Abraham Lincoln, 1848. I don't know what to think. But the fact that the Native Americans and early explorers, I mean, dude, you can Google New York Times and giants. And there's dozens of articles that will come up from like 1900s.

And until the 50s, they were reporting that they would find these giant skeletons, these bones. And then it became kind of a conspiratorial thing like after the whole alien stuff supposedly happened and the deep state moved into America and the area 51 that all of a sudden all these these kinds of articles didn't hit the newspaper anymore and that's more conspiratorial thinking but you think oh yeah there's no documented sightings of giants in North America wrong even the New York Times still has archived literal stories of people excavating these bones and uh where are they that's that's that's the million dollar question my treasure hunter friend like where are they some say that the men in black show up and steal them and go

the Smithsonian the Catholic Church I've even read has taken these bones like you I don't know let's get Nicholas Cage and let's go find them I gotta tell you man like almost as much or maybe more than Bigfoot I think that

the idea of giants is compelling is just compelling to me the fact that there's all the scriptural basis for that and just like you talk about these articles up until the 50s when coincidentally or not we know that right after the second world war the CIA was very involved in creating the propaganda machine that we call the media at this point and that's actually where they coined the term conspiracy theory in order to discredit information that went counter to the

propaganda a man after my own heart right and so this is what I'm saying like I think that there's gosh it's interesting to me um and I can't wait to see how we tie this into Bigfoot and I can't wait to see how we tie this into Bigfoot and I think there's probably an easy leap there but I'm really interested to break these all down and I think there's there's so much content here in your experience um you know as us as lay people and you as a lay person you're not an expert and I'm by no means an expert in any of this but I'm I'm very much interested I'm very much a seeker um when it comes to to understanding these things and um well Bigfoot is the gateway drug right right I think that's what I want to say with all that like you get into Bigfoot, you go into other creatures, and then eventually you're like, okay, I want to know

the history. Right. And I would say that, like, to take that as a basis, then also look at empirical evidence and say, listen, like, it wasn't too long ago, people didn't believe in giant pandas or Komodo dragons or giant squid. We know less about the bottom of the ocean than we do about the service of the moon, right? And like from a very scientific standpoint when it comes to this, there are still creatures, mammals, that are being discovered. I think it's like eight or nine a year. Just mammals. That we didn't know about.

That we didn't document. That we didn't have pictures of. The Darwin didn't find on his journey. That we don't have. But locals saw him forever, right? 100%. Right? Those were myths.

I mean, guerrillas were myths forever. You know, and then finally they go and they find out it's real. There's these crazy, huge. black apes that live in little colonies and, you know, they live in the mist. If you see in the movie, Grilles in the Mist. Good one. They just, just friends you in college when I had a guerrilla suit on Friday night. We would go out and we would scare the tar out of people who were drunk in my, in my

gorilla suit. That's what we did in college, San Luis Obispo. But for me, I think I really want to leave this out there that, like, There is a big schism of like you go into the door of belief. You walk into the house of Bigfoot, right? Just to get in the door, it takes a lot of work. A lot of people just get out, they drive by the house and they're like, I ain't going to go in that place.

That place is nuts. People in that house are crazy. And then there's people who get in there, and then there's one room inside this house that says Bigfoot is not supernatural. It is a full flesh and blood animal. And then there's another door. It says, no, Bigfoot is supernatural. It can disappear.

There's all kind of supernatural events with it. And there's a weird little room in the middle I was watching last night where people go that, well, he's kind of both. But it also does do with quantum physics. And, you know, you're like, which crazy, which crazy tribe do I want to join? And so I guess you and I are asking people right now. Okay, stop the car. Get out. Look at the house.

Don't think anything yet. don't ride it off as that shit crazy. Just look at it. Have, I don't know, have the guts just to open the door and see. Right. Sample the buffet, people. Yeah. And so I think what Nate and I are doing right now is we're just asking you to sample

the buffet. I'm going to sample the buffet, Nate. Just take a little taste. I'm interested. There's so many things about this. I think that lead to credibility. I believe. But it's, you know, I got the must.

recede faith right now. I'm in a space where I do think that there's a lot of things that line up to this could be this could be real. Now do I want to go on a Sasquan shot with Jose Canseco? Absolutely. Do I want to spend $20,000 to do that? Absolutely not. So I guess if what we're talking about is the House of Belief here and people just drive by it. But for me, I want you to stop, open the door, sit there in the yard for a second and think about this. What requirements are necessary for your mind to entertain the possibility of allowing something new to enter into that space of consideration? Just consideration, right? Do you think of yourself as, hey, I'm an open-minded person, right? Well, if you just slam the door and keep driving,

are you really open-minded? I don't know. And I'm not trying to get you to join a cult here. I'm just thinking, hey, open-minded. And then you're on the lawn, you're looking, you think, oh, yeah, I'm open-minded. What further evidence is needed for? for you to believe. Oh, I'm past the point. I want to go in. I want to see what's inside this house. Everyone's different.

Do you need raw scientific data? Or could you possibly believe in something because someone told you a story? Like Luke read this book, The Long Walk. This guy's telling a story of seeing his family of Yeti in the woods. Does Luke need to see the Yeti himself to go, oh man, this guy saw something.

He believes this guy's telling the truth. And for many people out, Their belief comes from the fact that they don't think that hundreds and hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of people are lying together in a giant hoax. So I would say, what does it take for you listening right now to this show to believe? Not scholars. I'm talking to you right now. Just driving in your car or sitting in your house, whatever you're doing. Loan your lawn.

That's what I don't listen to podcasts. Yeah. Loan in your lawn or just doing the dishes, right? doing the dishes. What do you need to have place it for you can believe, right? On this podcast, I think we're going to dive into that world as cryptozoology, right, Luke? We are. Into the world of the unknown and the things that live on the fringes of reality, the fringes of our perception,

and the fringes of science, practically. And cryptozoology is a study of animals which are documented sightings, but science would say there's not enough empirical evidence to qualify it as a viable species. But if there's documented sightings, I think we're going to hop in. I don't mind if we get the crazies on here. That sounds great. I mean, I can't think of a more entertaining podcast than respectfully.

Well, I mean, maybe we were like the crazy stories. Like someone saw, they think they saw Cyclops in the woods. And there's no documented sightings of Cyclops, right? Probably not going to bring that guy on the show. Probably. But we could. I mean, it might fit in the Giants episode.

It might. It depends how big he was, you know, you don't know. I mean, I have the mind to think if there's someone's talking, if Cyclops is even in like,

like, it came from somewhere, right? Somewhere the Cyclops might have existed at one point in time. Who knows? I don't know. I don't know either.

I know. I know is it like 30% of the Irish believe in fairies. For real. And leprechauns. That's a whole other place we can open up. But hey, that's another blurry creature, right? It is. It is.

Tinkerbell. Thanks for listening. Episode 1, Bigfoot, the gateway drug, here on... Blurry creatures. I'm Luke. I'm Nate. Thanks for listening. Bown, Jacob, bough.

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