Blurry Creatures - EP: 10 The Sierra Sounds with Ron Morehead

Episode Date: October 7, 2020

Ron Morehead recorded the famous 'smoking gun' of Bigfoot audio known as "The Sierra Sounds" back in 1971. His recording has been called the audio equivalent to the Patterson-Gimlin Film and has been an unexplainable and undeniable piece of evidence in the Bigfoot story. Recorded deep in the Sierra Nevada mountains, Ron's audio has been widely studied and scientifically analyzed, and is the best-known evidence of vocal communication between multiple Bigfoot. Come with us as we walk through the night of the recording, his thoughts on his experience since 1971, and how this seminal moment reshaped his life. Listen as Ron unwraps the mysteries of Bigfoot with the language and theories of quantum physics and seeks to quantify and qualify the scientific existence of the legend of Bigfoot. www.Ronmorehead.com [e-mail] blurrycreatures.com Socials instagram.com/blurrycreatures facebook.com/blurrycreatures twitter.com/blurrycreatures Music Kyle Monroe: tinytaperoom.com Aaron Green: https://www.instagram.com/aaronkgreen/ Outro Song: TimeCop1983: timecop1983.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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They were late coming by. One of the guys got scared off first night. He heard this stuff and he said, he just left a note for him. He hitheled it out of their next day. And you can't leave at night. It's just too wilderness and you don't even try. He came out and he was, he was, the wives were worried

because at that time we don't know what you're dealing with. If it's going to eat you or if they were arguing about the salt and pepper they're going to put on you, what's happening? You know, they're going to carry away in a sleeping bag? We don't know. We don't know. We don't know. We don't know.

Hey, welcome to blurry creatures. Before we start this episode, I want you to listen to this. Our guest today recorded these in 1971, and this will be sort of the basis of this whole episode of these recordings. These are recorded in a camp and the Sierra Madas in 1971. They've been scientifically studied. They're not fakes. See what you think.

Luke, we got the guys. who has the best Bigfoot audio that is known in this cryptic space. His name's Ron Moorhead. He's a researcher, author, producer, and he's been on several documentaries. He's been on the BBC. He's been on the Learning Channel. I'm excited about this guest because he connects a lot of the things we're talking about today.

But he has the audio called the Sierra Sounds. And if you're in the Bigfoot space, you've heard that before. If you're not, these are some sounds that some guys recorded in the 70s that talk. And it's in our intro. to our show. And who knew that we were going to get this guy on the show? It's just kind of funny that this whole thing is connecting. It seems like every week someone comes on and continues the story that the last guy left off on.

And that's really weird because you and I aren't really, we're not trying to tell a narrative really. It's just kind of... No, it's just really, I mean, you're right, it has played out fantastically. And I really like what Ron brings to the table in the sense that he has a breadth of knowledge across a lot of what we've talked about. He's actually been on tour with Brian Forrester. He's been everywhere from coast to coast radio to BBC TV, Learning Channel.

He's an author. And of course, he recorded those legendary sounds, which I would say is probably like right up there, the equal or the same standard as the Patterson film when it comes to audio of Bigfoot. You know, we got the foot, we got the casting, we got the video, and now we got the audio. What does these things sound like?

So we're going to bring on Ron Morehead, who can connect a lot of this stuff because he's friends with Brian Forrester. He's been to Peru, too. So this episode, I think, is going to be a big connection. And that's what we need. We always need those big connections. You need the big connections. So we're excited about this one. Let's bring on Ron Moorhead.

So, Ron, I'm excited to have you on the show today. And I'm not just saying that because, you know when you have a guest on a show, sometimes they know a lot. about one particular thing, like they're an expert, which is great, because that's what we're going for. But as you know, your episodes progress and your listeners are taken on this journey, you often need that conversation to connect all the pieces. Our last few guests have been experts in their fields. And I've heard you talk about a lot of the stuff that they've been talking about, like burial mounds, elongated skulls, or Bigfoot, Giants in North America, documented reports of these creatures. but it's just fascinating to me because we're doing the show,

we're casting a wide net to try to make sense of what Bigfoot is in relation to all these other things that nobody wants to talk about, like the giants and these elongated skulls. And sure enough, as I'm doing research on you, not only do you know all about Bigfoot, and you have the best audio recordings of these creatures, but, you know, I'm hearing you talk about hanging out with Brian Forster, who we had on the show three episodes ago.

And it's just weird because, you know, know, we're doing this podcast and we're not trying to narrate this story to come out a specific way, but the connections between the guests and what you know. And I was talking to Luke yesterday. I'm like, man, we really need to kind of wrap up like the last six or seven episodes. We're talking about the burial mounds and the skulls. And then as I'm doing research on you, I'm like, unbelievable. Like, you're the guy who can connect all the things we've been talking to to Bigfoot. And right out of the gate, I wanted to ask you like, what are your thoughts on, I know you kind of came in contact with these creatures in 1971.

What do you think about them now versus what you thought about them in 1971? Can you kind of tell us how your view of Sasquatches changed from then to now? Sure. Yeah. When they start coming to our camp in 1971, we didn't really know what to think. We just knew there was something pretty big and pretty loud and pretty scary to start with. But really, it's a hunting camp. we weren't looking for big what none of us were

and we just thought they were a very unusual ape-like creature probably running around the forest but they did have big vibe to the footprints and that's not the kind you see an ape have and there's no apes in North America anyway not supposed to be up here

California and Washington so anyway yeah that's how it started out but then we started experiencing some pretty unusual phenomenon around it which we kind of just well that's unusual You know, we just weren't all. Yeah.

We was excited, but it wasn't that significant to us at the time, even though it was pretty interesting, really interesting. Until Al Berry got involved, he's the investigative reporter that we took in in 1972. And he started taking this very seriously, where we were just up there hunting. And maybe at nighttime, when they come around, we'd set our recorders out. So we'd get some kind of documentation on it. But he was trying to figure out who could be hoaxiness, really. That was his objective.

So how it's changed from me from then until now is I really had to get serious about trying to figure out the science. If there is a science behind the anomalies, I think there's a rule or law for everything that exists. So Luke and I both grew up in Northern California. So we know kind of, you know, the backyard of California. You can go hiking around, and there's so vast and so much wilderness. And in 1971, you're out there with your buddies, you guys are hunting, and you think at first it's just a hoax, kind of go back to what you were saying. And then, I mean, which is kind of crazy to think.

You got a bunch of hunters in the middle of nowhere with powerful weapons. Why would someone try to hoax you in the middle of nowhere? And I don't think it's a hoax personally. Never even crossed my mind that it could be a hoax. But you guys are just so blown away by this experience that you think it's a hoax. So we got to figure out. We got to get to the bottom of this. And now you think it's more in the quantum space.

base, but how many years went by before you were like, okay, we're not being hoaxed. I made a direction. We didn't think we were being hoax. Al Berry, the investigative reporter, was looking for a hoax. Ivan Sanderson, we wrote a letter to Ivan Sanderson in 1971, the winter of 71. And Ivan Sanderson, who was a renowned cryptosologist he may have heard about. He passed away now, but he thought it was a hoax because we gave him a full account of what was going on up there during the time of when I was written.

He sent it to a guy named Peter Byrne who was out in the Oregon there at the Dowles who had a big good information center because he's into it also. He may have heard of him. He's quite the iconic figure in some of these things. And Peter thought the same thing. It's a hoax.

So he sent it down to Albury. He said to say, it's probably a hoax. We don't want to check these guys out. Albury lived in California by Reading. He was working for a newspaper then. And he came down to interview us and he got caught up in it even though he was still looking for

who could be pulling us off because this kind of stuff doesn't happen. No one's ever report something like this. Yeah. So we ended up letting him go and undertaking him in in 1972, and he started getting wrapped up in it, but he was still looking for who could be tricking. Who could be doing this?

We're eight miles into the wilderness at 8,400 feet elevation. You can't get in there in the wintertime because it's a snow load. And how does anyone know when you're coming, number one? And up there trying to trick you, they leave no signs. We took a Florifonto study up there with a biologist, one time looking for science just at the advice of a scientist. We knew what we were doing. We didn't know what we were doing.

We knew we were dealing in something that was real. It wasn't somebody hoaxness. We didn't. We had glimpses of them every once in a while, rarely, but every once in a while. And they move so fast. And the sounds were so dynamic. I mean, they blow your head off just about. So you had some kind of a speaker that one heck of a magnet in it, you know,

to make that kind of a sound. Anyway, we didn't think it was a hoax, but Albury did. until he finally realized this can't be happening. But he looked every avenue possible trying to, he went through our packs when he was out walking around. He told me later on. We became friends. And he passed away.

All of us were passing away, by the way. I'm glad people are getting this story because it's a real story. It really did happen. And I think some people, researchers especially, should pay attention because we've had the science. One actually sounds more unique than somebody just saying, We heard these sounds record them is we have some science behind him. Albury took his recordings that he made of these things.

He took them and finally got Dr. Curlin, a professor of electoral engineering at the University of Wyoming, to study them unbiasedly, just to tell him, is this true? Is this real or is this not real? Well, he had original tapes, he gave him to him, and he studied him and came out with a statement. They've not been manipulated.

They've not been slowed down. They've not been speeded up. Here's the average human range, and they go above it, they go in it, and they go below it. Their range is something humans can't do. He wrote his article, his paper, and put it in a book, Man Like Monsters on Trial. And he's indisputable. I mean, this guy wrote over 100 professional papers. He's retired now, but my gosh, you get people, scientists who look at that,

they just have the paradigm, it can't be like that. It's got to be an ape in the woods. That just has to be like that. It has to be something that this came across from the land bridge. It has to be a rim of giganticophysicus. Any DNA that's done. Well, it has to be contaminated because it can't be something like they're saying it is. So it's kind of gotten from there.

Al to him finally, he said, I was a master's degree in science he had. He said, whatever you do, stay with science. Don't talk about the crazy things that goes on up here. And just don't know. You'll lose respect. And he was right. So for a long time, we didn't talk about that stuff. But I do now, and I have for quite some time. I know I asked these professors, I was with over in Russia one morning at breakfast.

So I said, I said, what do you think about quantum physics being involved in this? They looked at me and they don't even talk to us about quantum physics. They can't get there. It's not even then there are disciplines. They've been trained to think within this box of disciplines. And if it doesn't fit within that box, it's not real. It can't be. So there's where I go with it because they're wrong.

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sort of pilgrimage they need to go on to think outside of the box. What are some things in your life that got you to a place where you could consider this? Because it takes some people years and years and years before they can even have a discussion about Bigfoot, let alone quantum physics, let alone aliens and stuff like that. Was there anything that happened in your life that opened your mind to be able to accept this information or were you just like out in the woods hunting you had never thought about this stuff and then all of a sudden you hear this and it's undeniable and you're like oh what else is out there well yeah i kind of let you know that something with a big foot is out there what they are

but they certainly leave a big track they got a big voice and they move very very fast and they're huge so it has to you have to open your mind up when this stuff happens so you can't just say well okay but you didn't believe in bigfoot before that i didn't disbelieve or believe I mean, I didn't, we weren't thinking about Bigfoot. I hadn't become a, I came in, I became a hunter during the winter of 71. I wasn't up there hunting when this happened. A couple of guys who had been going there since the 50s. They were the main hunters of the group.

They were older than me. And they, they had this encounter one night and came out and told the other guys who were hunting with them. I were friends with them all. And they went back up with all of them did and took tape recorders and some of them did. And they were late coming back. One of the guys got scared off first night. He heard this stuff and he said,

he just left a note for him. He high-tailed it out of there next day. And you can't leave at night. It's just too wilderness and you don't even try. Yeah. He came out and he was, he was, the wives were worried because at that time, we don't know what you're dealing with. If it's going to eat you or if they were arguing about the salt and pepper they're going to put on you.

What's happening? You know, they're going to carry away in a sleeping bag? We don't know. didn't know nobody knew so he wouldn't go back by himself he asked me to go with him they all concurred because then we're late coming out and uh we went back up there and just got there and they were packing up so they were okay but uh that's gave me my first clear into that got me into the group because then i knew where the camp was and and i was good friends with them and of course but that that's why i said i'm going to become a hunter because i want to be part of this i want to find out

what's what's really going on this is this is exciting so they were chatting about it since the 50s, 58 was the time they went up there and they were kind of mentioning it to friends like, hey, there's some weird stuff going on up there. How long did it, or were they still kind of sheepish to tell people? Oh, nothing happened before 71.

I soon said nothing happened. Nothing happened. Because they weren't thinking about Bigfoot. They didn't believe in. They didn't know, whatever. They've been going up there since the 50s. Yeah, and just the things that were happening, they kind of contributed to other things like a bear or something.

something like that. But when the sounds happened, when one of them knocked over some cans and did something that night, when Warren Johnson, who was one of them in, he thought that one of them got burnt on some hot tea that was up there. And that's kind of ramped him off. And then they heard all this chattering going on between a couple of them. And they thought, that's not a bear. They're avid hunters. These guys could shoot the head off on that at 50 yards. Really, really, really amazing hunters. They load their dynamic. They do it all. That's how it all begins. again and the enigma's associated with this what really drew me into one in sooner or later I got to figure this out because if there's a science behind there

there's a rule behind everything I think law or some type of natural law the phenomenon the miracle stuff like that there's just a rule behind it that that tells you how it happens and you know you got biblical accounts of how that stuff happens you've got physics say that nothing's real till observed you get into all kind of philosophies on this and you just got a I just got one of those minds it's like so many people do that has to work towards figuring this out so it got me into quantum physics because that seems to answer things I started interviewing people over the years and interviewed a lot of people who claim they saw them disappear they claim the trackway stopped you know all of a sudden

there's no more tracks well you think well it's a hoax well no they didn't see it disappear in the woods. That's all happened. Well, can they disappear? Can that really happen? I've heard some really credible people say they just seen it wave up like a right in the middle of metal and just disappear. Well, how does that, is there a science behind that? There has to be some type of science. The science behind all that stuff is matter to energy, energy, frequency, vibration. You get into studying that stuff in quantum physics, you realize everything at the most my new level is energy. All life forms are energy. And if your matter changes in energy, which by the way happens, according to Stephen Hopkins,

nothing can die. It only changes forms. According to Einstein, too. Your body, which we're inhabiting, basically we're who we really are, now I don't want to sound religious here because I'm not religious, even though I was raised religiously in the church. And I know scriptures pretty well. And that's why my book, the second title is bringing science of spirituality back. together because I say back together because that's the way they were originally intended they weren't supposed to be divided like they are now and science put in a box and it restricted like they are so that got me into it I looked the first

place I looked was in the Bible trying to find out where where giants came from and start getting into Greek mythology get into all the all the cultures throughout even Native America culture you know they talk about how these things live in two worlds how they disappear and You got to try and as a core of truth to this stuff. How does it happen? All natures. I'm talking too much and too fast.

Yeah, I wanted to backtrack. So, Ron, what type of, and we talk about the nigma and the things that happened around this, other than just the sounds. What is it that made, that started you down this path? I mean, were there lights, were there other phenomena that made you think this isn't, this isn't just a giant ape that's not supposed to be here? this is something else. Well, this other phenomenon was happening. Lights, yes, there was lights fall as around up there sometimes. I've seen a big blue light come down from the sky one time.

I think it was a UFO. I mean, what else could be? It was controlled. It didn't just fall. It was manipulating down huge. And you hear, sometimes you hear a big humming sound above you in the daytime, and you look up and you don't see any of the source of it. You can't find it.

But what's causing it's like a five-ton hummingbird, you know. You don't know. And you got our camp one time we thought was being tore apart. We was inside the shelter. And we thought, man, something's really, you look out there and nothing's changed. Well, that didn't make sense because it sounded like our camps were being thrown around. Our barrels were being ripped off the trees. We hauled in with mules.

And you think something's really turned things up. You want to find out what's going on. So you finally look out there when it stops thinking you're going to see a mess and nothing's changed. Well, how do you explain that? How do you explain the sound of a car door slamming outside? You know, when there's no way you can even get a bike up there. That's a car. Yeah, so Meldrum talked about maybe they have a thousand square mile radius they can communicate.

And then another guest, Duke Sullivan said they can mimic sounds like logging trucks and all kinds of things. So do you think they're just out in the woods making mimicking sounds to scare you guys half the death? And then you look out and it's like, wait, nothing actually moved or was touched? Well, it's established pretty much that their vocal mechanism is way beyond what we can do. So I think, yeah, they can make sounds like that. So that's pretty unique, which requires something besides just our two vocal, of course. Jeff Meldon and I, we've talked about this as a lot, and not a lot, but enough to where I know where he stands. He's a good man, by the way.

I like Jeff. But he's really into botanian physics and his discipline, and he has to stay there, which I understand that too. but I'm not. I'm not a physical. I don't have to worry about anything or anybody. I just say what happened in this this week. And what I think is what I think. And you have that sounds going on.

Sometimes when a guy said he heard of horses coming down to words camp, this in daytime. Well, that's not happening. There just wasn't happening. And how do they do that? And sometimes you hear these sounds. I mean, I'm laying there in a sleep bag with my headset on, listen to my two stereo microphones one on each side of the shelter sticking through the wood

cracks and you hear these footprint steps just coming around you and you're waiting for the light to break in the cracks of the logs and it never happens and I thought well when are I going to really see one of these things they're not they're not that easy to see so I've wondered because I've had all these people over the years too tell me they saw them disappear credible people some people weren't but some people were and can they all be lying or just really happen in that missing 401 the hunted that david potty's filming in here recently yeah there's a segment right after my segment on there about this lady who saw this pixelization yeah yeah remember that the predator well i know a person here very very credible very intelligent uh everything saw the same thing and try where somebody

else seen it physically. So it's really a kind of unique. Nobody's looking for Bigfoot, by the way, when this stuff happened. I'm just saying that there's more to these things than each our three-dimensional eyes. We live in a three-dimensional environment, and there's more. According to quantum physics, there's 11 dimensions that's been established by the math, and you can only disprove it by disproving mathematically, and they haven't been able to do that. So most physicists believe that there's 11 dimensions at least, and we only live in three. So what's going on in the other dimensions is the question. So I think probably they have an attribute that's been given to them.

If you want to get into UFOs, I'll do this, but I don't know what you want to do this. Before we get into the Giants, because we've been talking about the Giants a lot. One of our guests had 700 documented newspaper accounts that he's been collecting over 10 years. From 1850 to like 1940, right before the Roswell crash, they kind of all. all stopped being reported, these giant bone discoveries. And then we brought on our buddy Fritz Zimmerman, who went to 700 burial mounds in North America and documented them over 15 years,

all these hinges and weird geometrical shapes here in America that they're not really being recognized. And so there's all this talk of giants. And I know that you went to Peru, it sounded like, to look at these skulls that Brian Forrester had to try to make some connections between Bigfoot. So is Bigfoot a giant? And is he related to the giant?

Giants, because I think on our show, our listeners are probably already where I think Luke and I are, that the Giants were here, and there's so much evidence for that. Is Bigfoot connected to that? Yeah, I think so. I went to Peru with L.A. Mozilla, who we got with Brian a couple times down there, and Brian took us around. Broadway, fantastic. He's got some really interesting books. A guy knows more about Peru probably than the locals do. He lives in Piraqas, and I went to the museums there, And we weighed the skulls, had two different scientists on two different expeditions, two different years. And they both said the same thing. These things are not manipulated.

They were not cradleboarded. They were not, of course, you've heard all this, so I don't need to repeat it. But they have a single parietal. We have two. They're not human. And they're not totally human anyway. They're, I think, probably a hybrid. And that's probably where I go with Bigfoot.

I went down there with the intention to find out these elongated skulls had anything to do with the Sajal Cres, it's reported so often on Bigfoot up here, these giants. And sure enough, you'll find out they have a story in South America about warring with the Aztec and the Mayans in Central America. Then Central America, you got the stories of them warring with giants in the north, which took me up the Lovelock Caves. Been there four times, trying to research, trying to get some access to what they found there in the 1911 when they started excavating their Batguana out of the cave.

and it's just it's all been covered up and taken away now they won't let you see it I went to a museum I wrote to BLM I did all that and they were just robust people there's no giants around here

well they lie to us I'm not gonna tell you these the government lies to cover it up these don't tell you everything like all you're talking about all these mounds and things that are in North America

that's hush hush you know they don't seem to want to acknowledge that but other countries why do you think because it throws a kink into Darwinism and throws a kink into religion. It's going to rewrite history. All that stuff is not what we've been taught in grade school. And it's not what people are being, have been told all their lives. So they have to just cough it up. They're so deep into the lying hour into the

cover up. They can't, they just can't. Yeah, I've heard the Catholic Church is like behind a lot of these bone removals and stuff. So like, I mean, it's funny because you're thinking the Bible supports these giants. Why is the Catholic Church involved in the cover up of this stuff? I know, I understand what the government is. Government likes to keep us happy workers and keep us in our little cubicles 24-7 and not think about anything crazy. Go home and consume.

That's all they want us to do. It seems that's how you make a nice society. But I wonder what's the kink in religion that you were talking about? Well, religions have been brainwashed also. And if read my book, The Quantum Bigfoot, I kind of come down on it. I've been hit on some religious people

who think I shouldn't have done that. But really, you get into the rules and get into what's really gone on throughout the history of the biblical writings and the translations and whatever king was in charge. The government does control the narrative of the people. That's how they control the people by controlling the narrative. I think governments have done that throughout the whole history of the earth, really, but mainly the Bible, and depending on what king was in charge and what he wanted in and out what he didn't want in the Bible, like the Book of Enok, which talks about giants and how they became about isn't even canonized. It's not even in them.

It wasn't even discovered until they found Ethiopia. Then they found it again in the Dead Sea Scrolls. So there's just a lot that you, if he just starts studying this stuff and looking into it, you find out what's really gone on. And it's quite interesting to delve into it. I get excited about it. So if I talk too fast, just give me another couple of comments. I wrote a little song to remind you, Choice Hotels, get you more

of the experiences you value. The can be a hotel's got it all. A rooftop ball. Have a ball. Bring a date, your squad, or even your mom. Book direct at choiceotails.com. So, Ron, to bring that full circle then, if we're talking about giants,

then we're obviously talking about Nephilim and the creation of these, you know, hybrid beings. And that in your mind also connects to Bigfoot. and the connection there is quantum physics. If there's a, and just for very basic, if there's a spiritual realm, that exists in one of these dimensions, you would assume that we cannot see past the spectrum

of what we are able to see with light or the vibrational spectrum, correct? And so is that, do you think that's a pretty good explanation then of why we maybe this thing can cross through or disappear? here or have all these weird phenomena around it? Well, if we think about the eons and eons, that aliens have probably been coming to this earth. And if you've read up any of this stuff,

what they're flying all over the earth of these ancient mountains, different things that have been here for eons of time. And unaccounted for them. You get down to where Brian was and we're in Peru and Bolivia and those places and see the enigmatic structures that's been put up by something that we don't have any idea how they did it, how they did these way over a hundred ton boulders, put up on top of this 13,000-foot mountains, put together like a jigsaw puzzle, you can't even get a hair through the, there's no mortar,

how they do that. So they had some attributes that we don't know how they did it, and we don't know what kind of attributes they had, and they was able to do these things. That's one reason, I think, the Incas cradleboarded their royalty of their youth, trying to get them the same, attributes that the pre-income people have. Yeah, we talked about that a little bit that, like, I asked Brian if he thought that they were just emulating what they were seeing. They were making their heads long because they were seeing the elongated heads and walking around.

And he was like, yeah, I think so. They're just emulating this thing. And humans, we do that, right? We see something we try to emulate it, try to be like that. And that whole thing is fascinating. So you think, what about just the word gods instead of aliens? I mean, the Bible talks about lowercase G gods. It tells the Israelites, don't enter into covenant with any other gods but me.

And I think a lot of Christians have such a small view of the supernatural, the other dimensions that you talk about, that they can't even acknowledge that maybe there were other beings around. I mean, Christians believe that Yahweh is supreme of all these, right? But a lot of them, Christians are the most skeptical when you try to say, maybe these beings were influencing culture back then. And they're like, wait, what? What are you talking about? The other thing? You can't change anything. The Bible says it's word for word, right?

Woke me up when I found out in Hebrew, the word for rope is exactly the same word for camel in the Greek translation. They've changed it. So when it says you can't go, it's hard for a rich man to go through the eye of a needle. A camel go through the eye of a needle. Well, it really means a rope going through the eye of what makes more sense, a rope or camel going through the eye of a needle? you know, you hear all these different explanations, but that to me kind of woke me up to research. And the word Elohim, which is the word for God, is plural in Genesis.

So if you start looking at when he said, let us make man in our image, well, I don't disbelieve in Darwin. That's how our human bodies evolved. But something changed the DNA in those Tragmodites and gave us our sapiens, gave us our cognizance, gave us what we are as human beings. That happened in the book of Genesis. I think there's a difference between the first and second chapter.

A lot of theologians say, oh, that's just a repeat of the first chapter. Well, when he created man, he didn't create him in his own image. But when he did it in the second chapter, he was restricted from things that he was created in the image of God. Well, God again, is plural. So that means there was a, I think we're hybrids. You know, we have been created in that image. And we seem to have underestimated who we are as humans, I think, because that image is the collective consciousness out there.

And I get really excited about this stuff because I think everybody needs to understand who they are and how blessed we are to be on this earth. This earth is a jewel of this solar system. All aliens want to be here. Why wouldn't they be? My gosh, it's got all the water. It's got plants.

It's got specimens. It's got everything. Well, I mean, to push back on that a little bit, I think that, you know, a lot of Christians can't handle some of this theology, because it gets into a little bit into the alien talk. But, because as you look into this, you realize that at some point, all these beings who are influencing the world kind of lost their power almost overnight. And some say that's what the crucifixion of Jesus did,

is it sort of destroyed these beings' earthly domain where they didn't have the kind of power. Because some people are there, well, if aliens are coming here, And why are we still allowed to live? Why are we still able to carry on our lives? I mean, something's holding the world together, right? Well, first of all, we begin the dominion. Aliens have it. This is not their place.

This is our place. We're screwing it up. Christ tried to tell us how to become one with the father as he was one with the father. And if you really want to get into religion like that, I mean, I was raised that way. So I know scriptures and we are not everything we've got to evolve to be. We're not walking on water yet. We're not doing things that we should. Some of our, I mean, I haven't seen anybody.

I get wet every time I try it. It doesn't work for me, but I've not evolved far enough. But I got to tell you, I think aliens have definitely influenced the DNA of different entities on this Earth. You see these pictures in Egyptians of, you know, the graphics of a dog's head on a man or a man's body on a horse's body and stuff like that. You wonder if there's a core truth to that. Well, they were messing around, I think, and practicing trying to get their species acclimated to this environment. Because they don't.

They're not from this environment. And that's why they do that stuff, I think. So I think there's a whole haberization program going on. And I am a Christian. I don't make no bones about it. I'm a Christian. I believe in Christ. I believe what he said.

If you just read the red letter editions and try to put that together, you realize what he's really talking about is he's using the laws of quantum physics to do his miracles. There's really no sustained as miracles. It's just understanding how it's done. If you can get into the right vibration and the right frequency of matter, you can change matter.

And you find this out when you start studying physics. And it's just a fun thing to look at. And we're talking to get people to open their minds of, especially church people. I've talked to church people, and it's hard. I mean, they've got their lock in to how they were taught. If you change any word in the Bible, you're going to go to hell. Well, golly, that's pretty, that's not a loving God, is it?

Yeah, well, I mean, yeah, I mean, there's a lot there in our show. We try to stay in the Creatures Rome, but Luke and I both grew up in the church, so we know exactly what you're talking about. And you try to push some of these, even just the giants. I mean, they can't even accept the giants. I took the track. I took a track one time to a church meeting. They asked me to talk about.

Yeah, I took the cast track that we took a couple of them out. And I talked about this. Right. But I didn't get into the UFOs or aliens and stuff like that. I said, you know, here's this, what we're dealing with up there. So the Nephilim are here or a remnant of them. It's hard for some people to even get their head around. A big foot could exist, must less have a foot that size and be messing with us up in the mountains.

But they knew me and they knew the other guy. I was a board member of a different church. for a long, long, long time. And so it was this other guy, and we were both going to this place. And also one of the other members of the hunting group was going there. So we thought we had a handle on this a little bit. But again, you just, you don't have people asking you questions. When people don't ask me questions, I figure they don't have an interest in it.

And I can't just give them the answer without the question. How can you not have an interest in the history of your Bible and go to church? Well, because those things can't exist anymore. They've been taught that, you know, they don't see them. And plus, if they're interdimensional, like I was suggesting earlier, and why have they found the bones or body or something like that, like a bear? Well, these things are more than a bear. They're very humanistic type beings, even though they look like a big gorilla.

So you think that Bigfoot are the Nephilim? Well, I didn't say that. Some may be a remnant of that. Some of them might be because some of them are not well-intended. But then you've got some people to say they are like the ones we dealt with up there. They didn't eat us. They didn't carry us away. They really seem to have befriended us a little bit, even though the sounds sound very aggressive.

Well, there's lots of reports of people befriending them, like being rescued by them being. Yeah, yeah. I mean, yeah, it's weird. That's why I was trying to tell that guy I was talking to this morning. Some are good and some are bad. Just keep your guard up. You don't know until he started. seeing more evidence of what they're doing but he says he doesn't they don't show himself to him but

they show themselves to his daughters his two daughters and his wife and that's been concerning to me so i tried to tell him just don't let him go out by themselves and i would suggest that anyway do you think they're friendlier in different areas like geographical locations you know the ones around uh or uh Oklahoma seem to be more aggressive some of them and i don't person very well well who lives back there and had some encounters and they weren't aggressive at all they were friendly but then i've just some other people say they're killing their dogs and just first they will kill a dog if a dog goes out and chase them i don't know you know it's hard to say what i'm thinking but i do think they're different types of them uh so what they are and uh what we were dealing with up

there maybe two different things so in north america at one point you could have native americans You can have settlers. You can have Sasquatch. You can have giants. I mean, the ancient world sounds like the Lord of the Rings. And most people don't really want to admit that or accept that. I mean, when you're talking to these people at church, I mean, have you converted anybody? I mean, it sounds like in the beginning when you were talking, it sounds like you didn't have religious beliefs.

But now, but then is it just because you've come? come to a fuller understanding of the Bible, not disregarding the Bible, I guess you could say? Well, I had religious beliefs. I had spiritual beliefs and religion. I was raised that way. So I was going to church then, and me and Bill McDowell, my good friend, and we were the packers, the horse people, and we packed supplies in and out, things like that. And no, I believed in the Bible. I just didn't know how to put it together. So that's what got me on my quest of trying to figure it out, especially the strange, strangest that was going on around them. And that you still, I mean, we got evidence, not just Dr. Curlin's report on showing they weren't speeded up,

slowed down, or manipulated in any way. You've got the cryptolinguish scout Nelson who has studied in 2008. And he says they have a spoken language. And that's very important to me because only humans have that according to Dr. Lieberman's at Brown University. And Scott was with you in the 4-1-1 documentary when you were in there. Right. Yeah, he was in there with you. That's a good documentary. Someone wants to see a little bit about what went on up there.

They actually recreated an event we had in 2016, two years prior to that. And it was about this light rod that goes floating by our tent. And if you've seen it, you've seen that. And they did a really good recreation of that. But we witnessed that. I witnessed it. And wow, what do you do with that? You know, it's intelligent something's manipulating that. It's not, there's nobody else. There's nobody messing with you up there. I mean, you're too far in a wilderness. No, it's something strange up there and something strange in a lot of places. I've heard so many reports of strangers. So I don't discard anybody. And I think that's why I get so many reports. So many people contacted me, one to know about this, that, and the other. So much of people are now opening up when they hear me. me talk because they realize that you got to have an open mind. I got an open mind. I don't discard anybody. I don't mean I believe them, but it doesn't mean I'm going to throw them out the window with the baby water either. You've done a ton of study, and this is pretty obvious,

especially with your interviewing of scientists and the physicist and looking into quantum physics. You've got to distill all of this down into what your conclusions, or most of your conclusions based on your studies and also your experiences. Your experiences really are so unbelievably unique to any space, but especially to this space. So if you had to distill it down and say this is what I believe now, after all my studies, after everything I've experienced personally and also listening to other people in their experiences, what would you, how would you distill that down?

I got a list of it. I actually got on my PowerPoint program, which I present in these conferences, but here it is. First of all, all Sasquashes are not the same genome. Over eons, higher conscious of beings have manipulated the DNA of different entities over a rounds many Sasquas have a cross-spread with indigenous people making some of them more human-like dilution factor and may have lost some of their original attributes

Sasquars can be can move between the third fourth dimensions of physically and I go into the fifth dimension which is energy only and their density will change that's why the top trackways will disappear now this sounds way out there for some people and I'm sure it could be you guys I don't know but I I do that's why you don't find bodies. Because if they do, you know, that pixelation change from mass to energy, you won't see their tracks, so their density will change. And also, I think some Sasquars using their very advanced vocal mechanism

can manipulate their mass to energy via vibrational frequency, electric. Do you think that started piping, do you think the giants could do all this stuff too? I don't know. You mean the ancient giants of the old? It depends on who created them what attributes they gave them. I don't know. I just don't know. Some things I don't know.

Some things I do. Sometimes I don't. No, I just think. It's a thought. I'm just wondering if they're building these megoliths, if they have this dimensional power, and the Sasquatch seem to have that too. Well, again, I don't think they're all the same.

I just don't. When they're in the fifth dimension, which I think is where they mostly reside, it's energy only, they're able to mind-speak with humans that are in the same frequency. And that's the alpha-theta state of awareness. That's where Tesla got a lot of his answers, stuff like that. You've got what I call, what scientists call the pinia vine inside your head.

We all have that. And it's called by Egyptian mythology, the third eye. A lot of Aeneas say that, you know, if you can couple that third eye, which has all the attributes of an eyeball except it doesn't need light. These two eyes we have on the front of our head need light to see to make things real. Well, that doesn't, and you can receive information through that, and if you can couple that with decalcified and get it to communicate with the other two eyes,

and so you're aware of things. The most important thing right there is those, your heart energy. Once your heart can be in correspondence and in vibrational frequency with your brain, get those two incoherence, and that's what the chakras are all about, and you put it all together, and you're a balanced person, and you will be aware of things. So when you're out in the woods and something says, go right instead of left,

even though the trail says left, you need to do what your heart's telling you to do. That's called a gut feeling. And I think that's what we have to tune into. That's what we've been given. We've been given that. And when you pray, you're asking for something. When you meditate, you're trying to receive things. I just believe in meditation.

I think you're supposed to do that in order to grow and raise your vibrational frequency. And a very important concept before we get off the air here. And one thing I want to make sure I say is, is everything is based in love and compassion. If you can treat all your situations, your challenges, everything with love and compassion, you're going to be a high vibrational person. You're going to not be sick as often.

Everything's going to get better for you. So I want to make sure I get that out there because I believe that's the truth. It's all about love and compassion. And you've got to get that instead of hurting people. If you don't say something nice, don't say something at all. Yeah, that's that old adage.

All our mothers said that, right? Yeah. Something nice to say, don't say anything at all. That's right. Just be quiet. My grandmother said that too, yeah. Yes, yes, exactly. With the back of her hands.

It sounds like you know when people say you're putting what you're putting out into the universe. You heard that said many times. And I think if you are doing something when you put love out into the universe, not like hippie love. Like you're legitimately tapped in. to what's going on inside of you and you're projecting that into the into the world and I think good things do happen. I mean, just getting you on this show,

I feel is kind of a weird supernatural. Like, I can't even explain it because we needed someone to kind of connect all these dots that we've been going and we're not trying to tell a specific narrative. It's just telling itself. And I was going to tell you that in the intro. Like, it's really interesting that you have all these connections

to the Sasquatch, to the Giants, to these beings because these are all the questions. because these are all the questions that are naturally coming up in our episode. And I'm like, who do I bring on this show to talk about this stuff? And sure enough, you show up out of nowhere. I had a friend go, you should try Ron. And I sent you an email and you were available. And it was just, I don't know, we seem to see this show telling a story already.

And I find it fascinating because we're not trying to manipulate that story. It's just happening organically. Well, my passion to have in Lucas, to get this information out. you know I'm at the age now where I don't care about ego I'm not into that I think that's what we have to make sure we tether all of us have this ego thing that's what makes us healing but you got to keep it tethered too it's not money it's not it's not anything other than I think this implement but maybe the only reason this thing happened to me and the other guys up there is so that they would bring me to this where I'm at today talking to you guys

and getting the information out because if it can just hook into some people I'm going to be happy guy I want it to to resonate and to be a component of people's thinking and at least open their minds up to things are going on that you don't see. There's a bigger picture. Sasquatch is part of that, but it's not the complete picture at all. There's major things happening.

For someone to think there's not aliens or not UFOs in this day and time when all this information is out there is a little bit on the ludicrous side to me because even church people have got to open their minds up to this stuff that's happening. and they're being seen, they're being photographed. They're, you know, when you've got this commander in the Navy who filmed this thing, you know, a Tick-backer,

a UFO, and it's beyond what we have the capability of doing. And it kind of opened the files up. It opened up all these files, and you're able to read these files and see what's going on. Is there some kind of warning that, like, you know, maybe these beings were screwing with humanity, like you were saying earlier in the episode, they were creating these weird creatures

like with the dogheads and the lion faces. Are these beings hostile? Are they going to screw with creation again? Well, it depends on which ones are doing it. I think there is a causing war going on. More and more is going to happen. It's just... Because it seems like Christians are in the church.

There's almost like this belief in God and belief in nothing else. There's really little supernatural connection. They go on Sunday, I think 30 minutes a week about some supernatural stuff. And I think when you see a Sasquatch, your whole life changes. It's like you just suddenly walk out of Walmart consumerism, and you walk into this other world that you never knew existed. And I think you have to ask these bigger questions about your spirituality.

I'm thinking about this stuff all the time, where I had to just get a show going to talk about it because it's like... Good for you. Good for you. Do you know what the, what was happening in the days of Noah prior to the days of Noah? You know, the fallen ones had been breeding with the human genome and making the Nephilim, the giants. Well, that's what was happening, right? That's what caused the flood.

Christ said, as it was in the days of Noah, so it should also be a second kind of. Well, think about that. Talking about L.A. Donovan and Brian down in Peru. Who is in Kusko? Cusco? Yeah, up in the mountains there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I said, you know, I think it's Luke 1735 or 21, somewhere in there.

It says as it was in the days of Noah. Christ was saying this. So I started looking back in the days of Noah, what it was like in the days of Noah. And that's why I said that to them, because giants were coming or aliens were coming, all in ones in being messed with the genome. They were showing themselves. They were, that's the second coming. So I think we're all due for an age of enlightenment right now.

We're in it. And I think that's what the mine in 2012. if calendar was all about it. It's opening it up to a new awareness coming on. And I think more and more people are hooking into what we're talking about right now. I think it's interesting, Nate and Ron, on this is that I think a lot of what I see in differences between, you know, even sex and fact, and factions of people that believe in this is really just semantics, right? You're calling one thing, you want to call the same thing one thing and someone else was called the same thing, another thing, whether you call. And that, that, the semantic

in and of itself is really becomes a stumbling block when a lot of the times we're just talking about some of the same things exactly we just happen to call them different we just happen to use different terms for him but i you know what you're saying right now is so on it because when i'm in conferences and talking to hundreds of people i i have to watch what i'm saying if i say what jesus said this something like that you say all these fields are crossing their arms oh he's a religious guy you know and then they got kicked out of church when they were little because they said something wrong well i try to stay away from that. I say, well, somebody said 2,000 years ago, this, this, and this would happen.

Well, I don't say who it is because I don't want to, I try to not alienate people with my words in the semantics that you're talking about because it's so true. Very true. Good point. Well, we talked about that on our last episode with Fritz that like you can't not bring what you believe into the conversation. It's just

going to come out because Bigfoot's a gateway drug. It opens up all this stuff. And if you don't, I don't know how you can go through life. And and especially do a show on alternate information, alternate science, and not bring in, because honestly, every single person, every single guest so far has alluded to the Bible, their beliefs in it. It's almost like most these people, they see these creatures and they have to go more towards the Bible,

not further away from it. Has that been your experience? Well, some people do. if they really delve into Bible and the interpretations of it because so much has been and this is another thing that people just can't handle in churches is there has been some alterations in the Bible

and because you've got the statement in Galatians that says don't change a word of this or you're going to go to hell you know don't change a word don't change the word so you can't say this can't say that but words have been changed you know you can see these manuscripts most of the most of the five books of Moses they call it. Take it from the Sanskrit, you know,

from that, you can read the Sanskrit and find out that the stories are pretty much parallel. So what's the Sanskrit all about? You just got to delve into trying to understand it. And there's just so much going on. Like I say, Christ, in my opinion,

did his miracles through the laws of physics. And he was saying, we can do all that stuff too, but we're not doing it. So we have not evolved to what we've got to be involved. And it's really based on love and compassion. like I said before, if you get into that and start to respond to that, every issue that you got in life, no matter what it is, no matter what it is, you got to be happy about it because we've been challenged with all this stuff for a reason. And the reason is to see how we respond to it. I think it's, I just think it's very interesting. I think the whole thing is very interesting. Even like I was going to say, Ron, open my mind in some ways to understand that like quantum physics, I never really thought about it in this parallel though. And using quantum physics to actually quantify and explain the things that, the, the, that.

are unexplainable, right? And I think you're right with Tesla and some of these other great academic minds and thinking minds, but if you look at things that we consider, things you talk about like miracles and things that are unexplainable and phenomena, those things do, you can measure and can't explain in some ways it would seem with quantum physics, right? Which I think is fascinating not only in this discussion of, you know, Bigfoot encrypted and the like, but also just in explaining the unexplained as we all walk through, you know, our lives. And, and there are things that we can't explain that happen, right? It happened to us, happen to people around us, happen. And yet, it's, it's only non-quantifiable within Newtonian physics. If you look outside of that,

you're able to actually put, you actually can kind of put labels on things and explain, and explain to some measure of things. I think that's where Einstein was going with his work as well, to explain some of these things that we consider to be unexplainable, whether it be, dark matter and things that fill up and occupy what we would consider it be space or if you're talking about things that happen in dimensionally

as the way to quantify miracles. Let me read your quote by Tesla. Can I do that right quick? The day science begins to study non-physical phenomena it will make more progress at one decade than in all the previous centuries of his existence. I quote Tesla said

that. He also said what one man calls God, another man calls Thal of physics. Well, those are kind of unique statements. Also, Dr. Edgar Mitchell, you know, the astronaut, he believed in aliens and, oh, let me say fallen angels. There are no unnatural or supernatural phenomena, only very large gaps in our knowledge of what is natural. We should strive to fill those gaps of ignorance. It takes classical and quantum sciences together to have clear perception. So you can't ignore Newtonian physics because we're We live in a three-dimensional world, so we've got to live with that.

But there's more. People say, where you believe in flesh and blood, you believe they're ape? Well, I used to say there's two camps. There's ape camp over here and the flesh and blood camp over here. Or flesh and blood is the ape camp. Then you've got the spiritual. No, they don't have to be separate at all because they are flesh and blood. They poop, they procreate, they eat, they do well, well, some people would call heaven.

Religious people would call them. And scientists would call that, we call it another dimension. because you change forms and spiritual, which we all are, or if you're religious, you'll call it heavens. But again, a business would call it in the dimension, because you cannot die. Your energy cannot die. That's right, because energy is neither created nor destroyed.

Correct. Yeah, and we have to go after this, my last question was just, when I asked earlier was, do you think the Bible talks about people believe in strong delusions? And my last question is, do you believe that some of these people are being influenced to not believe in these these realms

to, yeah, they're believing lies, so to speak. They're being influenced to not see this stuff. It's there. The evidence is there and they're being in, it's like they can't see it. They haven't been taught. They've been taught that if you can't see it, it's not material, it's not physical, it's measurable, predictable, that's all that exists. Well, that's not true.

That's Newtonian physics in a box. but you get into modern physics only a little over 100 years old and I don't think it's there being deceived they just haven't been taught and that's my opinion anyway Yeah I think it's important what I was saying earlier

about having the connection with your heart and your mind so that those are in connection with each other so that your feelings can go up to your brain But it's also important that your brain is seeing with the third eye, the information eye That's inside your head, the Pinot gland And when you got that You're going to know when you're being deceived

because it's just going to be revealed. You know, when you see some people, you say, oh, I don't think I want to deal with that guy. Or you see this person over there. Yeah, yeah, let's talk. Well, there's something inside of you telling you that. We're all telepathic, really, if you really want to get into the vibration of things.

We just haven't learned how to decalcify that inner gland that we got there. You do that through our diets and through things like that. And you just got to learn how to be one with the father as Christ was one with the father. That's why he prayed for it, John. Wow. Yeah. I mean, Ron, we got to have you back. on the show. I wish we could keep talking.

Yeah, Ron, that was awesome, man. You guys take care. Thanks for having me on today. Well, real quick, is there anywhere you would like to, I think people are curious, they want to find you and they want to learn more? Well, it's Ron Moorhead.com. That's 1-0-M-O-R-E-H-E-A-D-A-com. And that's my website. And I have a Facebook page. I'm on Instagram. I have two books, Quantum Bigfoot, and also my first book, which is Voices of the Wilderness.

It's my chronicle of doing this for 40-some odd years. I have two CDs that I've recorded that I've produced. I mean, and they're both about 40 minutes long with integrated, integrated the sounds that we've recorded inside of them, giving you the story behind it. Ron, thank you so much for coming on our show, dropping the knowledge, and clarifying some of those terms that people get confused with. Yeah, thanks, Ron. And Nate, we can't let Ron go without you.

Nate's really been practicing the chattering noise and you like to do it. imitations when we get our guests off the air when it's just me and him. You don't want to do it for Ron? No, man. I'm sure Ron's better at that chatter. Oh, yeah, God, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, man.

All right, guys. What did you, what did you call it, Ron? You call it, like, samurai speak or something like that? Well, that's what actually, Moneymaker coined that in 1995 just before he started to be Apollo. He coined the summary. He sounds like a samurai cry.

And sure enough, I've heard. Samurai cry. That term stuck with it. Yeah. But the second one is my problem most exciting night, 1974. That was when I saw one, and that's when they were dealing with it's outside. And really, I thought the next day we were just going to run in their shoulders and see the forest like we never seen it before. But it didn't happen.

Man. Yeah, we got to have you back on and talk more about this stuff because it's fascinating. I appreciate it. Sorry, it was such a cluster. trying to get this whole episode recording. It's fine. Yeah, electronics don't really like Bigfoot. Let's just say that.

They don't like giants. More giants. Every time we talk about the giants, something happens. It's weird. I can't even explain it. It's just, I don't know. Well, thank you, Ron. Thanks, Ron.

Thanks, Ron. Good to meet you guys.