Blurry Creatures - EP: 105 Aleister Crowley & The Grey Aliens

Episode Date: May 18, 2022

In a Blurry Mashup, the Not So Secret Societies Podcast join us to talk about Aleister Crowley and the blurry creatures he summoned through his occult magic. From a young age, Crowley was a dark enigma. His own mother called him "the beast" and he lived up to the name in every sense of the word. From performing ritualistic sex magic, to traveling to Egypt to learn ancient occult spells, Crowley was trafficking in spaces not traveled by any modern occultist. He summoned grey aliens and opened portals, and in doing so, Crowley set off a series of chain reactions that are still being felt today. Did Crowley leave open doorways that have since caused a massive uptick in UFO sightings and other overnight technological explosions? You decide.  Intro Song: Marvel 83 "Rollar Coaster" Guest: Not So Secret Societies Podcast Support the show! www.blurrycreatures.com/members Socials instagram.com/blurrycreatures facebook.com/blurrycreatures twitter.com/blurrycreatures Music Kyle Monroe: tinytaperoom.com Aaron Green: https://www.instagram.com/aaronkgreen/ Outro Song: TimeCop1983: timecop1983.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Hey, welcome back to Blurie Creatures. This week we have a podcast with Not So Secret Society's podcast talking about Alistair Crowley. If this is your first time listening to Blurry Creatures podcast, we don't usually get too conspiratorial, but, you know, when these ancient occult

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I don't even know what to say. If we don't write you back, it's not that we don't want to write you back. It's just that it's become overwhelming with all the channels and all the things happening and interviews and everything else. I mean, it's just incredible. So we're going to get Amy and Kara on the show and talk about Alistair Crowley. Thank you guys so much for supporting this podcast, blurrycreatures.com. So welcome to you guys just, well, you guys just, well, you guys. are fairly new. You started this, but you guys are already off and running the Not So Secret

Society's podcast. And we were just laughing a little bit about how we don't really get into conspiracy theories on our show. Because once you, I mean, we do talk about them, but once you kind of get in that realm, you start getting your channels deleted and dealing with all these problems. We try to stay with creatures. And we talked to Tim Albrino a lot about Alistair Crowley and, well, not Alistair Crowley, but about the gray aliens and what they are. Are they demons, are they not demons? Are they, are they, you know, little gray men in suits that are controlled? What, what are they exactly? But then, you know, a lot of people have been like emailing us about one of the probably five things that people want to talk about is

Alistair Crowley's supposedly opening a portal and talking about seeing these alien creatures and, hey, it's a blurry creature, right, Luke? It's the, it's one of the blurious. We haven't talked about Crowley at all, actually. I mean, this is a very. This is a very much. It's a little. I mean, this fascinating because we know that whatever work he did is perpetuated and still exists and still is continued today. You know, we talked a little bit, Nate, in our last episode about, you know, the tombs of the god kings and talking about what's happening at Bohemian Grove and are they continuing to sort of propagate and do these things. It's true. Why are they looking for relics? Why are they looking for the DNA of Nimrod and Romulus and these, you know, these perpetual, you know,

the cult would say they're divine, but we know that they were, for all intents and purposes, Nephlin were hybrids. And so here we are. Yes. It's exciting. Welcome, Karen, Amy. Welcome to the show.

It's a long intro. I love it. We're going to have to edit that out. No, it's all good. We just need a little time to get the wheel, grease the wheel here. Do you ladies have any thoughts on Bigfoot? Yeah, that's how we start.

Any new thoughts. Let's just kick it off in the creature space, because that's what we do here for, Anyone is new listening to this. There's probably going to be some crossover listeners. We talk about creatures and Bigfoot and stuff like that and try to figure out what that is. And yeah, so. Go ahead, Kara.

I would love to see Bigfoot. That's my first thought. I'd like to have a sighting of my own. I definitely believe in Bigfoot and all sorts of things. Seems like he's got to be some kind of like left over from the hybrid stuff happening a long time ago. Maybe he survived the flood. I don't know how. maybe he's, I don't know how big he really is, how big his feet are.

But if not, he's a hybrid being from now. And I was thinking about him, like how he's kind of looks like a Neanderthal a little bit. And I was like, maybe they created Bigfoot as well to kind of help prove their quote unquote evolution theory, you know, is the missing link man. They're missing link man. But I don't know. I love the concept of Bigfoot. And I definitely believe in him. Bigfoot, come find me.

I love it. Yeah. I look for him in Idaho when I'm up there. But, you know, no such luck. but Bigfoot was an integral part. I think I told you guys last time in my, winning my husband over. He's a big Bigfoot guy.

So I'm a fan. I'm a fan of Bigfoot. I know he's out there and I'm ready to see him. Well, he sounds like a matchmaker as well. Right? Who knew? Multi-talented. Yeah.

And he's a fan of the ladies. We know that. That's Nate, this is not a joke. This is actually true. Like, apparently he likes to show up or he, she, whatever, it may be the, the Bigfoot population is, like, women's voices and and music. So if you decide to go out of saying, maybe, maybe our furry friend will show up. Yeah. Maybe you don't want them to, though. I know. I was just thinking, no singing in my backyard.

You might braid your hair. He might braid your hair. It seems like, it just seems like you want Bigfoot to show up if you're in a certain area. If you're up in Washington, it seems pretty chill. Yeah. But if you're down in the south, then you just get to. You just get. You just. It seems like, it seems to gets angry. So watch out. Oh, well, I live in Austin, Texas, and I kind of summoned him in just the second ago. So, uh-oh. Yeah, he's going to come in and growl at you. He gets, he gets real nasty in East Texas, so that's what we hear. That's what we hear. But, uh, that's funny. But, well, yeah, so we, we've talked a lot about portals and a little bit about Stargates and a little bit about we haven't really done anything because I know Crowley was also doing like drugs and stuff and

trying to you know we haven't talked about the like the elves that people see when they do DMT and all the weird things that go along with with psychedelics but um we've talked a lot with Tim about transhumanism UFOs and all these things and then there's just been a debate a little bit on our show about what are the grays and you know Crowley's connected to them and so we thought it would be cool to do a show about that and try to see if it are they just continuing this work that he started in the late 1800s and continuing it on and are they doing that at CERN or what are they doing? And what did he see specifically? And how does it relate to the blurry creatures? Probably the blurriest of the creatures we talk about is these entities that

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And he was definitely doing this sex magic and this dark occultic magic. And he definitely created a rift is what a lot of the major occultists think during this time. In the early 1900s, right, Kara? Yeah, it was 1918 when he did the Amalantra working. Yeah, we're opening portals with mediumship with his partner, Roddy Minor, who's a female. And yeah, they created a portal between our universe and another. And it brought in Lamb. And you might are just talking about psychedelics and DMT.

And that actually, I used to do psychedelics. I don't anymore. And I did a lot. I've done DMT. And I've actually seen a gray. I'm a seer. Well, I don't do this anymore. But this is part of my story.

I've just recently been saved this last year by Jesus. But before that, I was very into the new age and then practiced magic. And didn't call in or portal in. But I absolutely, I've seen a gray. So they're real. It's a real thing. It comes in through the spirit world. But it's definitely a blurry creature.

And researching Alist. Crawley and learning about the I'm all on trial working, I was feeling like, wow, this is, I know exactly how this works, unfortunately. This isn't necessarily I'm proud of, but like I did, like I said, a ton of psychedelics. And I have to think that Alistair Cawley was probably using psychedelics as well when this happened. Yeah. The research I've done, he was. And he, I mean, he was so hardcore. I heard he got kicked out of some of the, like, the groups he was in because they didn't like him, you know. he seems like he was just a step he was a step up another level

but what did what do gray's look like I mean it looks exactly what you think and when this I was very naive and didn't I used to just do psychedelics just for fun on my own mostly but I had connected and I gave a testimony on our podcast not so secret societies where I I talk about this and I had connected with a girl who opened circles and practice magic and we did psychedelics

together and so that's a key thing here is open a circle when you do this Karen what does that mean that means that means you call in, somebody calls in all the directions and you call in the different guides or spirits that you work with. Yeah, that's how you open the portal. And that's also very important. You have to close that portal at the end too. Yeah. And, you know, I never purposely practiced any witchcraft or anything, but I connected with this girl who was doing it. And then that was the night I saw a gray. And it portled in through her eyes. And that's how Alistair Crawley did this work too. They even say that, and I'm not recommending anybody does this. But if you look at the image of lamb even through the eyes that you can continue. Like you asked, are they still doing this? Yeah.

Yeah, they're still doing this, unfortunately. They're trying to bring the fallen ones in. This is, you know, God is very clear in the Bible all throughout. Don't practice magic. Don't do this stuff. And Alistair Crawley, you know, he's nicknamed the wicked one or B-666 for nothing. Even Roddy Minor, the woman who was the medium that he worked with didn't like him. They had a falling out.

His mom called him the beast, which is just crazy. So what happens if you don't close the book? portal. You said you had to close it. Yeah, you always, well, you know, you mentioned the Babylon workings and I read was reading that they, who is that again, that's the Jet Propulsion's laboratory founder, Jack Parsons and the Scientology guy Ron Hubbard. Elron Hubbard and Parsons. Yeah, because they continued Alistair Crawley's work in 1946 just before 1947. We've got Area 51, all that stuff that happened, but they didn't close their portal. I was researching and it actually, maybe had been too big of a paradigm, like too much of a portal.

like they may have done magic beyond their abilities and couldn't close it. And I think that that has a lot to do with how these, like how someone like me is just doing psychedelics in their backyard and Cisa Gray portal through her friend's eyes. But if you don't close a portal, then you just, you're leaving that. It's like stranger things. Yeah, literally. I mean, magic's real. Like the spirit world's real.

I'm here to tell everybody this because I accidentally discovered this playing with psychedelics. And we need to take this stuff really carefully. And I'm so grateful. I just keep wanting to say that I've been safe. and that I read the Bible now and I understand like the roots of why we should not practice magic. Well, this is a great example. Why? Grays are not our friends.

These are the fallen angels. I totally believe this is how they're trying to get in into our world. Wow. So much there. So much there. Well, it's good to have you. It's good to have. I mean, we did this episode.

Do you guys know that? I was like, do they know that I've like literally seen? No. This is how our show works. It's crazy. It's like the people come on. that continued the story that we've been trudging along through, trying to get more clues

and how to figure out these blurry creatures. And it's, I had a feeling you guys knew a lot about it, but I didn't know that you had this much experience. So what is, well, a lot of people talk about there's a difference between fallen angels, gray, demons. There's a delineation between those. What do you think about that? And some people, skeptics who say,

oh, it's just hallucinations, it's not actually happening. It's just happening in your head. You're not actually talking to these entities. What do you say about that, too? It's absolutely happening. Yeah, there's no doubt. It's a real thing for the longest time. Because I, you know, I did psychedelics. I'm 39. I did them for and I don't do them anymore. It's been like about a year since I've, I've done them. I stopped doing them. God saved me. Literally. I have a whole testimony on not so secret societies about this. But basically for the longest time, I would do psychedelics alone and I didn't know I was a seer. I didn't know I was a natural channel. I have the abilities to do mediumship and all of that. I don't do it at all anymore. I've closed myself off from that. Not. that I know what it is, but before I had no clue. And I thought that it was just my hallucinations for the longest time. I thought everybody heard voices when they did psychedelics. I thought everybody saw beyond this world. I thought Buddha was coming to everybody. And then all of a sudden I started

sharing later in my life and realized, no, okay, well, what is this? It's going on with me. And then I just, my abilities just got stronger and stronger. I got to the point where I knew exactly what it was. And once I got the biblical foundation, I was like, oh my gosh, these fallen angels have been talking to me. I knew I'd been seeing the spirit world, but it didn't make sense to me until I really read that even Lucifer looks like an angel of light. Like this is, this is what they're doing. They're, you know, the gray, when the gray showed up, it literally like looked exactly like the quintessential gray. But I was looking at my friend's head in the, and it all the sudden, and they come through the eyes. They come back. The eyes are portals. And her head just started blurring like, like a gray, big eyes.

her eyes turned into the gray eyes. And it was like it was stretching and like moving and like sponging. It was absolutely coming in and like activating her downloading information, which is what these people are trying to do is get that tree of knowledge information that we're not supposed to touch. So how do we pull this all back to Crowley, right? You talk about like the late 1800s. And, you know, for those that don't have a lot of reference on Crowley, like, you know,

he was born 1875. There's just there's basics out there you can pull up online. But he was into some things that we haven't really talked about. One is the, he's into sex magic stuff. And so I kind of wanted to touch on that with, you know, with Hugh Amy and Kara. And then also not so secret societies, he was part of his secretive group called the Hermatic Order of the Golden Dawn. Would love to talk about that because he was into Egyptian stuff. Like Nate said, his mom called him the beast.

He ended up changing his name. Like, can we go back a little bit and talk about whatever was happening then and how we're seeing threads being pulled today on the same measure? or same order of what maybe he started because, you know, we, we started the show talking about how he was trying to open, you know, or did open a portal, and then there was this entity that came through that people, people say, just regular people that don't have shows like this, talk about saying it looks a lot like a gray. And they said, we talked about gray's a lot. There's a bunch of different ideas about what these things are, and, you know, there's the practicalists that would say these are actually

like some kind of alien race, and then there's the people that say this is definitely demonic, and it's just a demonic thing. And then there's people like, a friend of the show, Elie Marzuli, Nate, who says it's a meat suit, right? For inhabiting, for a demon to inhabit.

The demons are disembodied. Yeah, but Tim doesn't agree with that. No, he doesn't agree with that. No, not at all. I'm just saying these are the hypothesis, right? Is that there's all these different ideas, right? And I don't know that we do have an answer necessarily that, because I think people fall on,

it's not a fence either. It's like a triangle fence. everybody kind of falls wherever they fall. But you kind of mentioned a little bit, Carol, it was like that the timing is interesting. And like in the 40s is when all of a sudden, a lot of these UFO activities started happening, more sightings, and then the deep state is, you know,

really gets into the weeds of Area 51, all that stuff. But kind of like, you know, a couple decades after his, supposedly when he's really getting into the occultic stuff. So we could probably try to connect it all together. Yeah. Well, I mean, what I found funny with Alex Tercali is, was born actually into like a really Christian household. And his father died at a young age. And he like went off and just rebelled. He just went into this full blown rebellion. And he came back and that's when his mom, like you said, called him the beast of revelation. And he just, that was kind of the crux of his turning into this magical world of this kind of anokian dark magic. And so he just kind of turned, rebelled and just went head first. And he just went head first. And he just went head first. And he was. And he just kind of turned, rebelled and just went head first. And he. And he. And he just went head into just all this sexual deviation. And I really think that's the crux right there, this

magic open these portals along with drug use and this Egyptian magic that he dived head into. And it was actually in Egypt with, I believe, one of his first wives who he was bisexual, but he explored all sorts of different perversions on all different levels. I mean, not just male and female, but he was thought to be a petto as well. And so he, It was in Egypt when he summoned through sexual magic, this, I believe it was Iwas, it was what it was called. And so that's when he wrote his crux of the Lima, his book of magic, the book of the law. It just spiraled down from there.

And it is. Like you said, Luke, it's all about this old pagan, Old Testament, Mystery of Babylon, Egypt, Babylonian magic. And it's real. And it works. And he opened a rift. He opened a portal in the 19th. 100. So yeah, it's creepy because it's like, and it has a lot. There was a lot of, he started getting into prostitution quite a, quite a bit. And it kind of reminds me of like sort of the story

of Nimrod of doing some sort of occultic sex magic. And that's when Nimrod changed. And you wonder what, what's the connection there? Why doing those acts specifically change you or open yourself up. It's, it's kind of weird. It's interesting too, that's Egypt, right? Like we know so much, that is such the epicenter for so much, even biblical, and we go to the Exodus, and that that's the place where he goes to sort of tap into this pathway to the occult. I think it has to do with the Orion lines. Do you know the Orion lines?

So the pyramids are set up in the same as the Orion lines, which you see them all over the place. This is how you open portals, part of how they do it on a really big level. And so going to Egypt, it would be a great place for him to try to practice that magic to bring in like Ayahuas, his holy guardian who Lamb, the being he channels later, was to continue Iwas's work. But when he channeled Lamb in, they say the gateway he created was like a link between Sirius and Andromeda. And Sirius is, you know, comes off of, I believe, the Orion lines, the belt of Orion. and that's supposedly their quote unquote gateway to heaven. And they worship the Sirius Star, which is also the Masonic,

I believe the Masons, that's the top of, that's on the all-seeing eyes, the Dog Star, Sirius. Wow. We get a lot of those links. People are always talking about how the pyramids are laid out all over the world and there's like this, it has a lot to do with how the stars are laid out.

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So, I mean, before a Crowley, is anyone like him doing what he's doing? Is there anyone else who's trying to open portals? Is he kind of like the godfather of this stuff? He's the godfather of this. I mean, he's really the major, one of the major founding fathers of all this occult magic. Yeah, but like you said, wasn't he just, he was just trying to replicate what we knew would be in the, in the Babylonian mystery schools, right? Like, which. Yeah. It's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's sort of being maintained or and or protected by orders like the masons. Like, we have this supposed to secret knowledge and, and this and that that they hold on to. So, I mean, would you, like the godfather, maybe what we consider like the modern occultist stuff. Yeah, obviously. I mean, this is, this is obviously been going on for. Yeah. for millennial here. Yeah, I think when he went to Egypt is when, you know,

he just learned that Egyptian magic that, you know, I definitely think it was stemming from them. Well, it's interesting that he liked his whole book. He claims it was dictated by an Egyptian spirit, an ancient Egyptian spirit that, you know, the law of Thelma is his book that he says, it sounds almost like Joseph Smith in some weird ways where it's like he's getting addicted to him, you know,

this whole this whole thing it's it's it's bizarre to me but also it's not none of it is surprising is that like automatic writing or no yeah i was just going to say that and that was really the time in the night you know in that early 1900s so alias trekkulli was doing his deal and he was working this dark magic occult stuff and and yeah like you said there's nothing new under the sun right It's all old magic just being re brought back in and utilized. But also, you know, you parallel that with like the Nazis and all of them. They were doing all that stuff with the Vril Society, Thule Society, the Vril Maidens with the hair, automatic writing and the UFOs. It's amazing to me how it all kind of coincides.

And something was open during that time to allow this kind of influx of these evil people or evil spirits. rather coming through. Jack Parsons and Hubbard. When they did the Babylon workings, they didn't close that portal. Right. Right. Yeah.

Couldn't. I don't think they could. I think it was beyond what they even thought. I think they were way deeper than what they knew. I think that's what happened. Yeah. And I know this is, this is native. This is really a family show for us.

Like, but it's, I'm curious about sort of the methodology that they have, that they use here. Because I'm sure that has some insight. into sort of into the darkness, right? Like is that, we all know the depravity and sin provide, you know, access points for the darkness, right?

And the fact that they're doing sex magic stuff, which I think is strange, but it's like I know that from the horror Babylon stuff that we heard about with Parsons. And they were trying to do the same thing in the desert. Like they're trying to do the exact same thing. Is he gives any insight on what, maybe the occultic theory is behind all that

or what, I mean, it obviously works, but what they're doing, Is it just like the idea that Paul says that like that sexual sins against our body are are that much more? It's also a sin against our body. And so there's this sort of like level of depravity that invites this. Is that exact? Is that more or less like surmising what's going on here? Or is there specific things that they, this sort of stuff allows for?

I'm trying to be careful what I say. That's like, Garrett. I don't know much about sex magic. Honestly, like I, that was never any anything I personally practiced. But I could only guess that. you know, to become one, right? There's a bond that happens in the physical world right here. And then if you're evoking a spirit in,

then I would guess that you're allowing it to stronghold in your body and you're bringing that energy in here and then it's just going to give you more information. I mean, but, you know, I don't really know a lot about that. Do you think that they're trying to, in a sense, do some of the what we saw in Genesis 6 with the inviting procreation by the... Yes. Yes. Sorry.

I've definitely wondered, because I've just studied, reading the Bible and studying it for the first time, and we're actually reading Genesis 6 and kind of tying it to Enoch in our Bible study, which Amy leads. And I've been wondering, like, how did the Nephilim physically come here and mate with women, or did they use sex, magic, or a combination of both? Because from my own experiences, I believe that the fallen ones are at least, like, energies mostly. Like, when I saw these things, it was, I always used to think aliens. would be like E.T. You know, some physical being could come up and like touch its finger like he does in the movie.

But then after my experience is on psychedelics, I was like, oh, the spirit world is like energy. So if you're doing sex magic with a spirit, like it's the energy of it, right, that you're evoking in. I mean, it's an interesting idea. I know the biblically, too, the also angels came and walked around. So the idea that it physically happened, I tend to the air on that side just because there's biblical precedence for it, right? Like there's the idea that the angels walked, walked into Sodom and Gomorah. That's what I was going to say. We just talked about.

Yeah, we just talked. Well, and the fact that the men wanted to know them. And that's what the Bible says. You know, the men wanted to know them. And they were trying to protect these angels. And so there's something to it in the supernatural. And there's something to it because the masons and all of them want to, you know, there's something to the sex magic.

There absolutely is. That makes sense. We talked to a few people with Nate on the show that they talk about Nephlem, Nephlem host breeding and the idea that there's these breeding programs that are going on across the world to create hybrids and how do you do that? Well, I mean, one way would be that like Gen 6, we believe they showed up on top of Mount Hermann. They stepped on Earth. That is one way, but the other way would be what Parsons and then were doing was to try to sort of be a vessel for the indwelling of something bad. I mean, the thing I read about Crowley that was so crazy is he

like gets sick and he goes to live with his uncle or something. And then his uncle gives him a prostitute when he's like 15. Yes. And so it's like he gets baptized into this dark world through this sex act. And then his whole life has just messed up from there. So yeah, so whatever it is, whatever that does to our access to the spiritual world. You know, I've never really thought about it in that sense. But it must be cool to go back and read the Bibles and adult care, with all this knowledge now.

Yeah. Oh, I never had read it before. That's part of my story is I, you know, I have, I have. I had never even opened the Bible until this last year. So it's amazing. It's the best book I've ever read. Like everything I read and it just blows my mind and it's so profound and amazing. And yeah, like I don't know if I would have understood it the same way at other times in my life I'd read it because of, you know, the awakenings I've kind of had about this world and really understanding like mystery Babylon and what was happening in the Old Testament and why God needed

to flood the earth and why idolatry is bad? Why we shouldn't practice magic? Like I got it because, you know, I made those mistakes and then I read the Bible. Yeah. Exactly. A lot of us grow up and we have a hard time believing the stories because we were kind of sheltered from all that stuff. And then all of a sudden it's like you get to a certain age and you slowly hear stories

about it happening. And I'm sure you guys, you guys dive into that stuff all the time on your podcast. But, you know, a lot of people still think this stuff is conspiracy. Like it just doesn't happen. And then it makes you sort of doubt your faith, I think, because you don't have I don't know. And then the weird stuff starts, you know, presenting itself more and more. You're like, oh, the Bible is true.

All these stories are true. And it's just a funny, it's just a funny how we all get there eventually, but the roads we get there are different. But in terms of Crowley, you know, they say that, you know, everyone gets their 10,000 hours who becomes an expert at whatever they're doing, right? Does it work the same way in the occultic world where, like, you have to practice and get better at it? Or is it just something that, like, it takes over you and then you're just, you're just, you know. you're a slave to it. I mean, because it sounds like he's trying, he buys that house in Scotland and he gets weird and he's trying, you know, and then he's like trying to do it, but he's not successful for a while. And that's what that was my question. It's just eventually he seemed like

he got better at it. I don't know how that works. I would imagine the more magic you learn, the more like anything like, you know, more tricks you long even riding a bike, the more tricks you can do. The more spirits that he allows to stronghold in him, the more spirits he has to work for him and with him. But, you know, yeah, I think that the more you practice magic, the better you get. But at the same time, also, if he's evoking spirits into him and he's using sex magic to have those spirits stronghold inside of him, he's going to take on their information. He's going to, like, that's something, that's the thing about magic, I believe, is that there's a sacrifice with everything. Like, yeah, you can go out practice magic and call in Lamb, this being or whatever, Alistair.

But now Lamb is taking stronghold in you to give you this information or whatever. And that it's going to, it can make him sick. tries turning on these beings and he doesn't want to work with them anymore, they could turn against him. And that very likely might be why Bullskin House ended up burning down later, right, with future owners because it had such bad energy. Yeah. Well, and you have to think, too, like to your point, you alluded to the fact of sacrifice. And a lot of what Alistair was doing was sacrificing animals too, and there's life in the blood. And so when you're giving these blood sacrifices and the more you're doing. And if he moved into actual human sacrifice,

which I'm sure he did, I wouldn't put a fast guy. He's called the beast, for goodness sake. You know, your shedding, that shedding of that blood is an opening. And it's a way to invoke and bring about certain principalities and demonic entities.

It's just part of it. You know, so I think that's a big part of growing in his magical skill, if you will, up being the sacrifice. Do you think that most of the elites know these, they have an extensive knowledge of how the spirit world works? Yeah.

Yeah. Absolutely. Yep. Yep. They're in the circle, the triangle. Yeah. Because I think a lot of Christians are just clueless to, it's like we believe this spiritual story,

but for some reason we're salt, we're also like, we're also green. We just don't. We're just, we're just, it's all so new to us. And, you know, we get emails all the time for people that just like, I never thought about it like, like, that we're in this war. And I'm like, yeah, we are in this war. And I don't know what happens. But it seems like they know and they, and they practice this magic under the surface.

Whereas probably in the old days, it was more on the surface. People were seeing it. There was idle, you know, it was just everywhere. And then it kind of goes more underground. And when I say, you know, Crowley's the godfather. I think maybe he's one of the guys in the modern times to bring it back out. to the surface and he's actively doing it. That's kind of what I'm thinking.

It was overt. Yeah, it was overt. Not in the shadows, right? Yeah. Well, and you kind of see how, like we kind of alluded to earlier is like in the 1900s is kind of where things started with him. And then you see like Jack Parsons, Al Ron Hubbard, you see the Nazis on that side opening up these things.

And 47 to 55 around World War II, see all these things happening. UFO sightings, you know, Antarctica. everything's kind of culminating. And we literally go from like horse and buggy. I'm being exaggerating. But we go from horse and buggy to like cell phones within 50 years. And something happened. There was some veil lifted.

There was some rift. Something happens. We would be remiss if we didn't think that because there's all these components going on. Sounds like Mount Herman, Nate. Like where. Yeah. Where there's this trade. There's this trade of.

offspring for technology. There's this idea that that there's an explosion in technology and then when there's an incursion. It's fascinating. The question on this, because this Nathan's come a bunch

and we see it in the Bible as well is the idea of blood, right? There's, we know this exists in the occult. Like we even, it's sort of ha-ha-haed in the media with like, with the MGK and

and Megan Foxx drinking each other's blood and it's just like, but, But we know we look back in like, you know, if you do a survey of the Old Testament and you read about covenants and sacrifices that there was this sacred aspect to blood, even in sacrifices to Yahweh to God. And there's a lot of that in the occult that exists. Whereas, you know, we have the, we take communion in the Christian church and the Catholic Church, the Eucharist and all that different things. And there's this representative of it.

But I've been wanting to think about and ask about this. And not that you guys have a great, have an answer. Maybe you have a great answer. but the significance of blood in all of this to me is something that I've kind of been pondering on Nate. Like I just, it's, I mean, because I'm reading through the Old Testament now, and it's just like there's a whole chapters on the way that they, they essentially sanctify and make the altar holy and make these places holy. And it's in the spreading of, it's a spilling and spreading of blood. And then we see the perversion of this in the occult where there's a spilling of blood and there's this, you said sacrifice. and we think of it, sacrifice and or something happens.

This is the best way to say. I don't know exactly how that's not very scientific, but something happens. Well, it's almost like it maybe opens a portal. It's like it's almost like it, I mean, as simple as that sounds, it's almost like it does. Well, we know there's something with it because Jesus's blood was shut. And it was this remission of blood that had this huge power, right? So like you alluded to, Luke, you have this kind of juxtaposition of what's, the elite and what they're doing, there is something to it. And they're taking it in a perverted way.

We know that there's life in the blood. And so when shed blood is poured out, it's a form of life. It's a form of giving of energy. And it's powerful. And the Bible alludes to it. I mean, the minute they stepped off Noah's Ark, we just studied this in our Bible study, you know, God tells them, drain the blood out of the animals. Why? He didn't want him eating the flesh with the blood in it. Why? He knew. Enoch alludes to the cannibalism and the blood drinking. And so. And connecting this to sex magic, too, I believe in sex magic, they feel as though the energy they're getting is a life force energy that Eros or something. And I believe also like the blood has the life, right? So that maybe that's like similar like life force energy. You're getting it

from the sacrifice with that blood or in the sex magic from that. Is it called Eros or E-R-O-S? Yeah, something like that. Eros. It's like from the, it's the root word for like erotic. Like movies and stuff where they're like sucking the life force energy out of kids or things like that. And then you, you know, like there's got to be definitely some kind of power in the blood for sure. Well, and then we hear stories of like cattle mutilations where they're sucking the blood out of these animals in like places like Idaho. And it's becoming more and more of a problem.

Right. You know, some of the guys that go on shows like ours like David Politis and stuff, they talk about the anomalies of like These animals are just like suck dry. What? It's weird. Like it's like someone just takes a straw and pokes it in the cow and it's just, it's obviously UFO activity and things like that, which is all related to the, you know, the Crowley stuff and the portals and all this stuff coming down. It sounds like there was a baton that was passed, though. Like started with Crowley and he opened this thing and it's just been kind of continuing on.

And that's kind of my mind, if I think of a visual of how I see the story is it seems like he, you know, he passed it on to other guys and they're still doing it. And then you see it happening. A lot of people send us links all the time. Like that's what CERN is. That's what they're doing at CERN. And we're like, maybe, maybe. Or even like AstroWorld, like we talked about with Amy. Like there's these rituals that are happening in front of people's faces and they don't recognize it.

And it's like so overt. Maybe that's the beginning of them. stepping out of the shadows because at this point it was now it's in the open I mean it's I mean you think about talk about in the open right like this week we're talking about the sort of ministry of truth where it's like Project Mockingbird now exists in the in the open like they're no longer just saying that there's no longer like a you know covert they're they're establishing a government entity to do propaganda to propagandize the it's I mean so it's I'm just saying those parallels. It's not those insane, but they're parallels. It's like, it's like they stepped out

and now they're just doing it. And they're saying, like, we're going to do this and you're not going to, you won't recognize it. If you do, it doesn't matter. You can't stop us. Which I think is all crazy too. It is crazy. And like you talked about MGK and Megan Fox and I always kind of liking it because we are studying Noah and it relates back to like, if we're thinking about end days and what's going to happen, it's almost like this reverse bell curve, right? Like you have this height of intellectual fallen angel knowledge and it kind of goes down. And then you have it's coming back up again. And like Crowley and all these kind of characters were starting to open it.

And it was almost like God was like, okay, it's time. We can start to allow that to come back so my will can be fulfilled in the end. But that's how I look at it. It's like this now they're all coming out. It just seems like they're all talking about it, blood drinking and cannibalism. I mean, it's everywhere. It's crazy. You know, we talk about the date.

It'll be like the days of Noah at the end. And it's just, it seems like the occult is hearkening back for the, trying to recreate a harkening back for the, for a renewing or reemergence of the golden age, right? We think about what Nate and I talk about the golden age, like pre-flood, where there was, you know, all you got to do is regentesis where there's explosive technology, there's hybrids running around. There's this with insatiable.

appetites and bloodlust and there is this explosion of technology and really in the cultus way this sort of pinnacle that God then just brought into with water then promises you wouldn't do it again with water but the end we know he does with fire right and so it seems like there's this desire in the darkness to reanimate re to bring back in this golden age again I can't help to think that's what we're seeing is this this exalting of depravity in a way that, and I know you guys dive down deep into these, but it's like, it's like the New World Order and this ruling in biblical times it was the watchers and the progeny of the watchers. And they ruled the God Kings. Nate, we just talked about this.

And it's like they're trying to do it again. I mean, totally. That's the hermetic order of the golden dawn, which, you know, is attached to Crawley. I was going to ask about that. Good. Yeah. And I, you know, I spent some time in the New Age because I was lost and I got deceived before I was saved. And everybody in the new age is all about trying to usher in the next Renaissance period, the next golden age. It's all they're talking about. I think they have any idea that they're helping usher in this Antichrist energy, which is just like you're talking about pre-flood stuff. So yeah, no, I mean, Alistair Crawley, when he was working with Iwas, that Holy Guardian that he channeled in Egypt that help him write his

book. He, I think, helped him with the hermetic order of the Golden Dawn as well. One of the things that I'm thinking, as a show sort of barrels on after all these, you know, a couple years of doing this now, I think that before I started this podcast, I kind of thought everyone was loyal to Jesus, but a lot of people had a different understanding of what that is. But you said earlier in the episode, Kara, that like Satan comes as an angel of light. And then you see some of these things like Astrofest and then there's like prayers to the families afterwards and I'm like well whose prayers it's like they are actively praying to Satan almost it feels like but I used to think that like when everyone said that they had some sort of Christian under undertones to it all but

now I'm like no no there's there's two and they're loyal to the dark one and and there's more people in that camp than I ever thought before and so I think think that's just what a lot of people are naive to, is that they're actively worshipping and devoting this to Satan himself. But it comes across, like it's kind of like this weird strain of Christianity almost,

the way that they go about it, right? Well, Anton Levy, who is one of the major players we talked about, and he came after Alistair-Crawley, he's quoted saying that the New Age, all of that stuff, tarot divination, astrology, all that is literally Satanism rebranded. So you have a whole community of people,

and they're pushing it on the early generation, too with kids. You look on TikTok, there's people drawing tarot cards and playing with crystals. They have no idea what they're doing. Forgiven Father, they don't know what they're doing. And I, you know, I came from that, that non-believing side. Unfortunately, I hate saying it, but that's my truth. I was saved. But these people, they call God's source. They don't even, what source? Oh, I'm worshipping the son. Who's the son? That's raw. This is a fallen angel, you guys. Like, if it's not God on his throne, capital G, God in the Bible in heaven, that Jesus, Holy Spirit, God, I'm going to go and say it's the Antichrist, like one other form of it. And these people in the new age, they really don't know what they're doing at all. And they're worshipping gods like ISIS, acting like she's a good thing. They're worshiping Osiris. They're all of these different beings and paganism, you know, calling in the elements, worshipping the creation and not, not worshipping the creator. And it's really sad. Like even the saddest thing is when they call Jesus an ascended master or Christ's consciousness. Like people are, this is all by design.

design. You know, like Anton Levy said, Satanism is new age of Satanism rebranded. Sounds like very Masonic at the same time. Yeah. They're also tied together. Like, it's just a slightly different. It's the same gift with different wrapping paper on it. And, you know, there's little tidbits all over, but that's just how Satan works, right? And I mean, what do you guys think? Like, I think it's interesting with Alistair Crowley and the whole lamb thing, right, he looked like a gray. And then you have Hollywood like revering Alistair, you know, like the Beatles had him and their album.

And you see it kind of permeating through Hollywood and the music and the movies. But how is this going to play into the end times too? All of a sudden, then Hollywood is promoting these gray aliens is like, you know, from another planet. And they're spinning all this kind of stuff. And so how does that play into the end with what Alistair? because that's really the first kind of image we saw of what like a demon or an alien would look like, right? So does that make sense?

The alien emoji is a gray face too. They're totally pushing. You know what I'm trying. They're trying to make it seem friendly. Like the kids having alien toys and even the movie ET, like everything Hollywood puts out and normalizes. I believe that aliens are just demons, these fallen angels. I think all of it is. But they're trying to make it seem friendly.

Well, yeah, you normalize it, right? You just start young, and then people are just numb to it. Well, I have a thought. A couple people have come on our show and said, the reason why things look different from different time periods, because when the Holy Spirit starts to proliferate, it's harder for the darkness to do its thing. It's harder for the darkness to take over.

It's harder for people to summon this stuff, because there's so many Christians, and we spread around the world, and it really creates, it's difficult for the darkness to do what it wants to do, right? And a lot of that stuff that, a lot of the shutdowns and sat six feet away from people and things like that was more than just, you know, a tool of propaganda to try to like, you know,

snuff out the small businesses and take corporate takeover or, you know, it was more than just like this corporate greed. It was actually like a spiritual. A ritual. A weapon, yeah. A weapon, yeah. A weapon, yeah, like a tactic. Like they're trying to weaken us so that they can come in and, you know, like a wage war,

spiritual war in a different way. And so I'm wondering, you know, is it difficult for Crowley and some of these guys to do what they're doing? Because Christianity is spread and more people are having the only spirit. And it's just more difficult for them. And now we're at a point where, like you were just saying, now people are on TikTok just stumbling. into occultic stuff and they'd have no, they're completely clueless to it. Whereas that probably wouldn't have happened, you know, 50 years ago, but it's starting to happen now more and more and more. Yeah, I think that's also, that's just God's will and his timing, right? Like, he's allowing it to happen.

The Bible says evil men will wax worse and worse. And so that's bringing about his will and his end times because we know that has to happen. So to your point, I mean, it's almost like God's saying, not time yet. it's not time yet. You know, like Satan is going to have his day. It's going to have his minute. But then it was allowed almost in the Babylon workings. It was almost like a rip, a tear.

And it was like, okay, now it's going to enter in. And we're going to propel forward to these end days. Quickening. Yeah, quickening. Yeah. Corinthians were, is it Jesus talk? where they're talking about grieving and that like god allows us to grieve to a certain level so that we can really feel and understand the depths of what's going on and what we've done and maybe that's

kind of on a macro level what's going on with the world when you know that the babylon workings was able to happen and that portal was so big it was left open and now all this you know after the the the UFOs are coming out and the energies are coming out and this technology that created mk ultra that came from the fallen angels during the 50s came out the tv the phones where did that all come from from these portals that were open, I believe. But maybe God is like, okay, I'm going to let you guys, this world needs to grieve and really like see Megan Fox talking about drinking blood and see cannibalism and see the horrific things like Astro World happening from our faces

so that humanity needs to grieve to a certain level to really feel the depth of what's truly happening in this world. Yeah, it's almost like it's always, I think sort of the whole like spirit the Nephilim has always been here with us, even when they were destroyed, the things they were doing, the way they were doing it, and the technology. Yeah. It's like it's the same theme and it continues to happen. I think sometimes, you know, Christians are clueless because we separate things like New Testament, Old Testament, you know, and we don't see it literally. And I think what you guys do on your podcast is just trying to wake people up like, hey, this stuff's been going on forever. And it's still very much right here, right in our face, wake up, there it is. And I know, I know sometimes it can, it can be, hard for people because they like some of this stuff. They like some of these things and they don't realize hey, you know, like you probably

shouldn't be into that TV show, you know, or whatever it is. People, especially in the New Age, they do their moon circles and they do their manifestations and they think they're doing all this good stuff and playing with crystals and opening portals and playing in practicing magic and it's like, no, don't, we shouldn't be doing any of that.

And it's because it's just like Anton Lavi said. all been rebranded and in lucifer comes as an angel of light you know we um it's really sad because people they don't know that they're helping usher in the antichrist energy and and the bible is very clear in revelations antichrist is going to come and show himself for three and a half years and he's going to turn on everyone you know including the people that ushered him in like you know god says you know have your astrologers save you when it comes time guys no nobody can save you like except for Jesus, except for God. Yeah.

I like when you get fired out. I know, I just did that again. It's awesome. It's great. You saying that reminds me of like, of just of Yahweh, God like punking the Egyptian magicians. Like, oh, you can do this? You can do this?

You can do that? Well, can you do this? And now you can't do that. Can you, you know, can you turn the Nile of blood? No, you can't do that. We serve the king of kings, right? And it's funny when this stuff always is this is kind of brought up this thought I've been pondering on like in the last like week or so, Nate. And it's the idea that like we attribute like don't watch that show.

Don't read that book. Like don't do this. There's there's power in that, right? You don't want to, you don't want to open yourself up to that. I don't, but I don't think we think about the Bible the same way. There's so much power in the Bible. I don't think we think about opening the Bible and the power we're able to unleash doing that. Because I think we think about it in the evil sense like, man, don't let yourself, don't read that.

or don't read that book on the occult or witchcraft or don't watch that paranormal show because you're inviting something in but we realize then we open our bibles we're inviting and like the king of kings in like the holy spirit like the like the you know Elohim like I don't I we're inviting like the god of the universe and I don't know if we have attribute I don't think we as Christians even attribute that the power that's that should be attributed to to that like there's so much power and that there's so much good and so much light and power in the Bible. And I think oftentimes we focus on the evil stuff and saying, like, stay away from that, don't, you know, and you don't want to dabble.

I'm not saying that at all, but like the idea that we could do something that would, like, open ourselves up to it. Like, dude, why don't we just, that's what we do with the Bible. Open that up. Like, open ourselves up to that. And I, it's something I don't know. I'd have been thinking about this lately. Just like we, I think we treat the Bible and prayer and those things that we,

that are practices of Christianity and of God. that as sort of innate things, an innocuous. And yet, like, those things are so powerful. Like, we are, I mean. Oh, the occult's doing it. The cult's doing it. Like, in, you know, it's almost like they have, it's almost like they have more faith sometimes.

Agreed, completely. Yeah. That's so true. Yeah, they'll spend hours in meditation and incantations and stuff. But I love that you said that, Luke, because it's so true. I mean, and the spoken word, right? Like, how did Jesus refute the enemy? in the wilderness when he was like, if you just bow down and worship me, all these kingdoms,

all these powers will be given to you. And what did Jesus do? He spoke the word. He said, it is written, you know? And so we talk about that a lot too, Karen and I and just how powerful that spoken word is, which also can be twisted in the occult. And we see that as well. But I love that you said that. I think we forget that sometimes. Yeah, I agree. We hold the keys of the kingdom. Yeah, the kings of the kingdom. Armor of God. Yeah. Well, it's weird is like spells are spoken, you know, their words spoken out loud.

So you've got to think of prayers or prayers are probably more powerful if we speak them out, you know, prayers to God. And, you know, like you just don't, you don't think about it that way. You never taught these things. And what a blessing sort of in a way, Carol, that you can read the Bible and believe it all from the beginning. And you don't, I mean, everyone has their struggle with faith. It's almost like a gift that you don't have to process out what the ancient world was like.

And did it happen? Is that a metaphor or whatever we tell ourselves in our modern brains? Oh, so de-spiritualized. Like the supernatural has been ripped out of the church. And that's a, I mean, it's a broad brush. But I would just say, I know there's a lot of churches that aren't that way. But I think the scales are tipping towards, you know, the academic intellectual version of Christianity that is very much.

we serve a super natural god is neutered yeah um and the cult doesn't operate now that's not it's not head knowledge right it's just it's that's why i love like the mike heizers of this world that are like trying to wake people up to putting the supernatural back into the into the into the word into the into the into the bible into the end of the faith have no other gods before me you wouldn't say that if they weren't out there that's right Nate yeah yeah the i came in to this all really backwards. I think that all of you, I'm taking, we're all, weren't Christian, came into Christian households, right? And so I didn't have any of that. And I made a lot of mistakes. And I, you know, like I said, I had those psychedelic journeys for a long time.

And I practiced magic without even knowing magic was real, without even knowing about the fallen angels. And then once I, once I was saved, Jesus came to my life and started reading the Bible and understanding things. Like something that happens to new Christians, I feel a spiritual attack is really hard. I mean, think about it, I was on the Luciferian timeline my whole life until I came on to God's timeline with the Holy Spirit and Jesus. And I was under a lot of spiritual attack. And also because as a seer and a channel and doing mediumship and stuff like that, these and Alistair might have experienced some of this too. Because you know, on his deathbed, he goes, what have I done? You get strongholds placed inside of you with these spirits. This is why magic, another reason,

it's so dangerous. And I had to, I mean, I was under attack when I became a Christian. when I first became a Christian and started reading the Bible. It was some of the hardest couple months of my life. And what got me through was reading the Bible. And Amy has been a mentor and guide to me. It's been the last year that I've just been converted and come to be a Christian. Like, this is new for me. And I literally would read the Bible out loud to say,

we serve the Lord in this house. God has granted me the spirit, not of fear, but of power, love, and self-control. I mean, I've got verses all over here. I have my Bible on my desk. And that armor of God has saved my life because the spirit world is real. and I have, take my word for you guys, I felt it, I've seen it, it's not our friend, and you can feel it when an attack's coming on, but if you say, we serve the Lord in this house and you open your Bible up or you put the Psalms on and you have that going, that is the armor of God. That is the gift of the Bible, and that is something that, you know, came in this backwards, knowing the spirit world is real, not having God or that faith connection in my life, but then coming to being a Christian and having spiritual attack, the Bible is literally, I mean, what do they say, the breastplate of righteousness, the helmet of salvation, like, it. I've chills right now. It's so, it's amazing. It's so powerful. And this was God's gift to us, basic instructions before leaving Earth. Preach. I love it. No, I've been, I've been saying it more,

I've been reading prayers more, more out and audible lately. Because I felt like I've been, this last year for me has been really difficult, and I've been doing that more and more and more. And it seems like the more, like I do walk around my house and say, God, your spirit is in this house right now. and be with me. And I say that loud. And I probably wouldn't have done that years ago. And I don't think about it the same. And I never will again.

And it's amazing. So that's cool. That's cool. You have a great testimony. And that's really encouraging because a lot of us just grow up with, you know, you grow up with stories like that and the flood and all these things. But you have no understanding of like what was going on back then.

And then you find out like on your show like not back then. it's happening right now. I know end times are now, right? They're doing it right. They could be doing it next door. You don't even know, you know. They're doing it in movies too, right? Yeah. Like, it's like every time. It's a good question though. Like to kind of cap this off, like from a macro level, what's going on now? And then we talked about Crowley at 1800s. We talked about Parsons in the 50s and 60s and Elron Hubbard. We know he created Scientology, which is, a scam for one, but also there's a lot of evil in there. We know that. What's happening now, do you believe, like, based on, just kind of pulling this timeline all the way to today, like,

from the macro level, do you, like, I mean, obviously we can talk in platitudes about being in times and organizationally speaking. Are there, what's going on? Are there organized groups of people that are, that are in power and occultists that are doing or are actively doing this today? Yeah. Like right now. I think, like they're doing. I think that, yeah, absolutely, because I mean, I think you guys posted up the other day about them opening up CERN again. It's been like, what, three years or something. And you see, you see them revealing who they truly are. There was a speech.

I think it was one of the royals at one of the UN or some sort of climate change. And he said, we will give him billions and billions of dollars, him. And a lot of people speculated that he was looting to the antichrist. I don't, did you guys? Did you hear that? I'll send it to you. But, and so my point is, is they, they give themselves away. If you're listening and you're engaged and you're not passive and you're astute to kind of what's going on and you're biblically sound, God is going to give you that revelation.

You'll pick up on these little nuances. You'll pick up on the this and the that will, and that will show you kind of who's in charge, who's running the thing, what's going on, what's going down. I think they tell us. I think they show us who they are and what's happening. but you have to have that biblical lens to really, really get it. You know, you have to have that fear of the Lord because that's the beginning of wisdom, right? So I don't know if that answered your question. Carrick, can you speak to that?

Yeah, I mean, I definitely think that the elites are doing it and at a high level, they're all doing it. They're doing it. They just aren't showing us exactly all of it. But it's happening behind closed doors. You know what God says, he sees what's happening in the darkness and everything in the darkness will come to the light. They're doing it.

But not just that. I think about Helena Blavala. who's like one of the major players and mothers of the new age movement. Spare cooking. Yeah, yeah, all that stuff. I believe it was Lamb that Alster Crawley Channel that helped the book that Helena Blavatsky wrote, the libber, L-I-B-E-R-L-X-X-1, The Voice of Silence, the Two Paths, the Seven Portals. And so that information came from Lamb.

And then Helena Blasotsotsky and wrote this book, and Alistair had his piece in it too. Helena and these people, Alice Bailey, Alistair Crawley, Anton Levy, they help the foundations of the new age. So yeah, we have the elites doing all this on a huge scale, magic, but I'm always going to come back to the individuals that are doing it in the new age. They're helping open portals and usher in these energies and practice magic and doing all the things that we're not supposed to do, like astrology and crystals and Reiki and all, it's on all that stuff, the Satanism rebranded. So, yeah, the elites are doing it on a big level, but also when you have a whole bunch of, like, individuals doing it around the world, their collective energy is definitely doing something. I've had a lot of thoughts about astrology and how there's definitely on the moon, you know, they're doing full moon circles and things like this. Individuals are, but also the elites are manifesting stuff on these full moons. And you take CERN into the picture on that.

It's no mistake. I believe they opened CERN during an eclipse portal. Like, they, you know, they're, they're practicing magic on a huge scale, micro, and then they're all macro, and they're also practicing it on a micro scale with individuals. And together, it's just one big spell. It's interesting. Nate's crazy because this is like, in different terms, we talked about this, like, you know, I think about dark waters. And because we're a creatures podcast. We kind of, you know, you know that. So we talk, we talk about everything sort of in that, on that path, but we, we like to make it a broad brush, right? But the idea that what we're seeing in

our space is that there is like this huge uptick in sightings, experiences of cryptids and creatures and weird stuff like that, the people that we have on the ground that we talk to are saying, oh, they're seeing stuff they've never seen before. Well, we don't even know what it, we don't have, we don't know what it is. And not only that, things we do know or do have terminology for or do know what it is, we're seeing those on a level that we haven't seen before. And some of that you could, you could write off and say, that's, oh, that's, That's because, you know, we're more connected, right? And everybody's got a phone and everybody, sure, some of that.

But the idea that, like, no, this is really happening at a big uptick. It's, you know, the days of Noah stuff, but it's also like, man, what you're saying kind of resonated, Kara, is that, like, they've kind of mucked this Luciferian stuff so that it's, everybody's kind of can do it. And it's not, it's innocuous and it's innate and doesn't do anything. And it's just a thing to do for your chakra or whatever, right? And they're getting a bunch of, just, it feels like a pyramid, right? This sounds, I mean, it doesn't say, it sounds crazy, but it's not.

that all these people on the bottom are doing these things, these little rituals that we've made normal. We've normalized or society's normalized. And as you go up and up and up, of course, at the top, there's these really gnarly magic practice is happening with the elites. But they've got all these masses just doing things that they've normalized or neutered or whatever it is. They've made to be like the Mickey Mouse version, but they don't really, people don't understand the power they're trafficking in and what they're doing. They have no clue. Right. Yeah.

Such good points, both of you guys. Well, it's almost like when you get to an elite level, you kind of run out of new experiences. I think that is that sort of the temptation? You get money, you get out, you have everything you want. You get bored. And then you start, well, let's go take a plane flight to Epstein's Island or something. And then you get, you get sort of sucked into it, right? Like, because you're just, you've experienced everything.

It's like the world is your, you can do whatever you want. And then you just get bored. You probably get bored where the average person is just like just grinding out, trying to make nine to five work and pay their bills and then these elites are just like it's it reminds me trying to get through the firmament right right right getting weird just I mean it reminds me kind of being on tour when I was playing music it's like you just sit around you at eight hours a day and all of a sudden people start you know you just you start smoking cigarettes and doing things you never would do right but you're just sitting around and you'd have all this time what do they say idle hands

or something yeah yeah is that is that how the occult sort of sucks a lot of people into it, they just... It's that thirst for knowledge, you know, the endless, like, you can't, you can't ever fill that hole. It's just an endless search to fill that hole. And these people, what they need is the Holy Spirit, you know? They're going the wrong way. They're searching for the wrong thing.

It's the wrong tree. Right. So God-shaped hole in all of us, right? Very cheesy Christian song, but it's actually right on. And going back to what you were saying, Luke, Kerr, what other creatures have you seen? because we, you know, why is it this gray alien creature that everyone's seeing? And it's just really bizarre. I've seen a lyrin, like cat.

They're like the lyrins. They call them the Lirons, you know, the cat faces. I've seen that as well. I've seen like Buddha and Ganesh and Green Tara. There's been a lot of spirits like that that have come through. I've seen what I felt was from Metatron, like the sacred geometry, like flashing. It always comes out of the face, like portals out of the face. like portals out of the face.

But the gray was the blurriest one of all. Literally like I love that blur. Because it was like, it wasn't like just solid like gray face. It was like it was like stretching and moving and it was weird. Well, because then some people see him running around through cornfields too, you know?

And so it's just bizarre. The one you try to figure it out. It looks like it's right there. It looks real. You know, it looks like a physical thing. But if you, I feel if you were to have,

I didn't try, go to touch it, like it would just be energy layered over. Because they talk about like shapeshifters, you know, like the reptilian shapeshisters and stuff. And I thought a lot about this because I was like, are they actually like lizards like shapeshifters? They're going to turn into a physical lizard. But I actually think it's the spirit world is layered on over us. Because we're only seeing like, I don't know, two or five percent of the light, right? You guys heard that statistic? Like as humans. And so the spirit world, if it's just layered over us and there's some people that can see it or on psychedelics, you see it or people like Alistair Crawley channeling in and with mediums and stuff, it's all right here.

it's just a matter of seeing through quote unquote that veil or seeing through those dimensions. So I really just think it, this is my opinion, that it's energy. But I absolutely could be running through the field. I mean, people see ghosts. People see spirits and, you know. Yeah. And we've done a lot of episodes in trying to delineate the two. We've brought on people who can see. What do you think about Christians who can see that through the veil?

What do you think about that? Well, I'm a Christian and I don't choose, I mean, I don't think we should be using our third eye and seeing through the veil. You know, I... Some people say they can see, they can see angels and demons from being little kids, and they can just... It's like they're interacting. There's no veil. They're just...

I don't know. It's a hot debate on our show. Some people, like, we did one episode on it and people freaked out. So is it, I mean, that would be medium. That's what mediums do is you see that stuff. You know, you're channeling it in, though. You're actively channeling it in. I mean, I guess if somebody's just seeing that stuff, I would invite them to close the portal.

or say I don't adhere to this or we serve the Lord in this house. Like I personally don't think that seeing that stuff is a good thing. I don't know though. I don't have all the answers, but I feel like, you know, yes, the Bible talks very much about how they saw angels. You know, the angels came in and like Amy said, we were just studying that. But if you're seeing spirits, I'm going to go ahead and say, I don't think it's a good thing.

I don't think that the good spirits and the good angels come to us and try to talk to us and try to, like, get our attention. or haunt us in our house or anything like that. I just think that this is the fallen ones. This is my opinion showing up as something that looks like, oh, your grandfather, or, oh, like, you know, this is ISIS or this is whoever. Like, I don't know. I just, I don't trust it personally.

So I don't really feel like Christians should be doing that, trying to actively see spirits. And if they are, I would, like I said, you've probably got an open portal or you're channeling them in because if they're just showing, up like that. I believe there has to be an access way, right? Or, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. No, it's blurry. It's really difficult. It's difficult. Well, I mean, a lot of people, you know, like in the conversations I have, it's just, it gets complicated, really complicated. And people walk away with scratching their head and feel like, well, I mean, do I, how do I know?

We don't know. That's the thing. And I, like, you don't know what it is. And I would see Buddha all the time. He would come to me. I would literally see him just like come in front, like I just show up in front of me, like the eyes open looking in this like a room and there's Buddha and I thought he was my body. And he would tell me all sorts of things. And I saw him for like a decade when I would do psychedelics here and there. And one thing he never told me was about Jesus Christ. And I was a non-believer of Jesus. This is hard for me to say, but I didn't believe he was real. I would call the Bible tall tales. Jesus is a fictitious character. And the one thing that those spirits would should have told me was about Jesus. Because that's the one thing we need to know.

because Jesus is the door. Jesus is the only way. That's the truth. I think God I've come to discover that in my life. So I don't trust these beings at all. That's just my, you know what I mean? Does that make sense? Like so I, they're going to discuss loose when I learned Lucifer disguises himself as an angel of light. And it's just like if you don't have, how can you have the discern. Like we aren't God. We don't know. And these fallen ones are ancient. They're thousands of years old. And they, you know, they got kicked out for a reason, right? And they're trying to, infiltrate our world and they're not allowed and they're gonna tricksters and they're gonna trick us so if we're you know Amy always says in our Bible study like God is the spirit of clarity Lucifer and the double is the spirit

of confusion so if it's blurry these like beings that we're seeing then maybe it's not of God. That's great thoughts it's you know because a lot of people have when they see a cryptic creature or they see a creature like Luke was talking about a little bit earlier we interviewed guys then they have all of a sudden they have paranormal stuff happening in their house they see Bigfoot and then all of a sudden It's just weird paranormal stuff happening around their house. So it isn't good to interact with this stuff for sure. Even just like seeing a creature out in the woods that you shouldn't. And there's a lot of weird lights and other, you know, mind speak.

Yeah, I was seeing lots of ships in the sky and stuff too when I used to do that. Like in orbs and stuff in my house. I don't see that stuff now. Like I, you know, I do like you just said, activity will come. When you open yourself up to the spirit world and you're doing a call. called stuff, you're calling in that energy. And I just, I think it's kind of worn it a little bit, like, be careful. It's warning signs. I don't know. I love it. Well, thanks, ladies. It's, it's, it's, I'm sure we could keep going forever on, um, the occult stuff and, uh, all the dark ties. I mean,

obviously we, we could probably keep going and maybe we can do another episode about CERN and maybe we can continue the conversation, do like a two, two parter. Because, You know, it seems like this Paton has been passed on and there's still people doing it now. And I'm sure you guys get into a lot of that stuff and the elites getting into it. And we started to stay in the creatures, the creatures roam. But you got a crossover sometimes, Nate. That's a while. Our YouTube will just be deleted.

It's a four lane highway. It's just come on over for a little bit. You can go back. We'll go. Okay. But yeah, if you're listening to this podcast and you like the conspiracy stuff, yeah, plug your show. Tell them where they can find you guys. Amy and I host

Not So Secret Society's podcast. We drop episodes weekly. You can find us on Instagram, Not So Secret Societies. We'll have a website soon enough, I'm sure. I also host the Let's Be Friends podcast, and I can't believe that's news. So there's three ways to find me.

Yeah. We love it. We'll send our listeners there and tell them, you know, blurry creatures sent you. And we'll have to do a two-parter we'll have to do another one right Luke let's get into it Luke

Luke's like dude I'm just ready you probably had a long day I know I'm like am I wearing it I'm way too much sharing my stories like yeah no I'd love to come back anytime I love talking about these things and you know it's Friday and my brain is going to be on the veil I'm at the beach right now so you know yeah

I hear you I hear you I hear you it's all good this is fun I know I have to just make sure my kids haven't run away. I'm like, I don't, I kept going like this. You're like, I don't, I don't hear them. Where are they? So they're just, they get mischievous. So we appreciate it. This is fun. And I, and Carrie, your story is awesome, really. It is. And it's really encouraging to hear it. You know, just most of us grow up in the church. And then we have to sort of understand this later on in life. And it takes something like seeing a big foot or whatever it is that, to wake you up to, things aren't the way I think they are.

And it's a great thing to just be able to dive in your Bible and go, no, this stuff is, this is like food for my soul, because I understand how dark the darkness is. And I think that's something I've learned this year. The dark is dark. And it's getting darker every day. And it's getting more in the mainstream. It's coming right at us.

So what you guys do is great. And it's really helpful. And I'm sure sometimes it's hard for me. I'm a very sensitive person. It's like, man, I can only handle. So many, so much of that, probably just have to listen to like a Bigfoot story or something just to like get my head back. Open your Bible. Yeah. I know.

I know. I know. Exactly. Put on some some good music and just and pray and then get back and center myself and God. And so, but yeah, we appreciate you guys coming on our show. Plus this is the first Bigfoot love story that I think we've heard. So Amy, well done. Thanks, thanks, thanks, I know. The big guy.

Yeah. The big guy is not all bad. He was so stoked that I was into it too. You know, I do have to tell you guys. So I, and Karen and I talk about this all the time, but like, I love what you guys do too because, you know, you're meeting people like Paul said, you know, you become like them to win them, right? Not that we become, you know, we go to a bar and become a drunk to win the drunks, you know,

and not like that. But like, you guys are meeting this need where people are interested and you can interject the Bible and the word into it to win people for him. In the world, not of the world. Yes, and that's the beauty of like your podcast and like our podcast. Thank you. It's so cool because you are working for the Lord, you know? Right.

So good job, guys. Just telling everybody to take that exit. Appreciate that. Take that Jesus exit. Right. You're on this road, but just take that Jesus exit. Yeah. Yeah.

That's right. Narrow for reason. The broad path is full of traps. It's got to be able to make sense inside the Bible if the Bible is true. Exactly. I believe it is true. It's got these creatures. And people like, we said on one episode,

episode 100. Like, there's a lot of Christian podcasts, and there's a lot of paranormal podcasts, but there's not a lot of podcasts to put those two things together. And that's what we try to do. That's what we try to do. Yeah. It's working. You know?

It's totally working, you guys. Just keep it up. Yeah, we have a lot of people that listen to our podcast say, I see in comments, like, I would never be able to talk about this conspiracy, this dark stuff without the foundation of the Bible and the foundation of God or us. We always try to take it back to the Bible to, like, explain things. And I think, and I noticed from waking up, I woke up in like 2020, right, to all this stuff. And for a couple of years learning, oh my gosh, everybody's a Satanist.

There's pedophiles everywhere. Everything's a rabbit hole. We're being poison. And then I didn't have God then. But once then I was saved literally by like coming to God, coming to the Bible, being saved by Jesus. Like I need, you need that grounding foundation to go into these dark territories. You can't. I mean, you have to.

God's going to lift you up, right? You know, he's going to protect you and keep you under his wing as you, you know, learn the dark stuff. That's cool. And I would say if either of you would ever want to be guests on Let's Be Friends, I'd love to have you come on and talk about Blue Creatures. Let's do it. We love it. Yeah, we want to.

And that's what we know a lot about is the blurry creatures, the weird stuff. You're a tag team and Nate. Just be like the, we're an 80s show too. One of them 80s wrestling tag teams. We try to have some fun. That's what we do try to do. Yeah, you got to. I try to have fun.

I love your 80s art. I love all your backs of the future stuff and the stuff you post on your page. I was born in 80, too. Are you 80? 80? Yeah, I'm 80. Oh, my gosh. You guys are so young.

I'm 82. Oh, we're all the same age. I'm the old one of the much. Amy, you're a 90s baby? No. No. Look at you. 76.

You look like a 90s baby. Oh, you're like the same. Oh, come on. We're like not really millennials. We're in that same world. Yeah. Yeah, we're that gap. We know what the, it was like like for the internet.

It doesn't matter. The answer machines. Yeah. All right. Exactly. And we appreciate it, Amy. You've been, you pump our show a lot and you've really helped our show grow. Thank you so much for for tossing the blurry creatures out. That's what's all about, right? It's all about, you're very welcome and I'm happy to do it. So, I love you guys.

We didn't know what we were jumping. You guys knew exactly what you guys were getting yourselves into. You knew exactly. Luke and I had no idea. We just, we didn't realize like, oh, wow. We're just a couple of dummies. Like, let's have a Bigfoot podcast. It'd be kind of cool. Yeah, yeah. Exactly. It works.

It works. Yeah. It's just crazy. It just gets crazy. It's cool. And you guys have merch and stuff. I love it. We're just getting.

Yeah. Yeah, you guys have a great platform. Why not? Why not? Right? People stop listening. Nate and I's still going to do it. We're still going to be here talking about weird stuff.

Maybe just on the phone. That's how Karen and I are. Yeah. Yeah. We just like. Care who listens. I just love to hang out of Amy because I needed someone to be able to talk about this. We love talking about the same things.

And my boyfriend gets so sick of hearing me talk about this stuff. And I needed, you know, not a lot of people want to talk about the stuff that Amy and I talk about. But I just, I feel so grateful that God's brought us together because I could just, yeah. No, it's great. That's awesome. And it's mostly like we just get dudes on the show who talk about this stuff. So it's great to bring some female power on because the female guests that we have. brought on the show or like blow it out of the water we brought on dr laura singer on and people

just love her and so luke and i are just we're always out eager to learn and and figure out more the blurry world and it's cool thanks for for coming on blurry creatures and uh we'll do it we'll do it again because i feel like there's a lot more here okay you guys friday at friday at six our brains are over they're done i know thanks you guys thank you so much for having us on this is an honor okay we'll do it again bye see y all Have fun. Thanks. Bye.

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