Blurry Creatures - EP: 122 Time Travel with Ryan Pitterson

Episode Date: August 31, 2022

Ryan Pitterson returns to Blurry Creatures, this time to talk CERN, time travel, and end-times prophecy. The author of Judgement of the Nephilim and Return of the Nephilim, Ryan is an expert biblical researcher and writer with an emphasis on ancient Hebrew Thought and Theology. In this episode, he takes us back to the Days of Noah in Genesis and discusses how God operates outside of the constraints of time. Why does time seem to behave more like a scroll and why does history repeat itself--and how might all of this relate to CERN and the end of days? Pitterson brings exceptional insight into the Book of Revelation, biblical prophecy and eschatology, transhumanism, and more.  intro song: Space Tourist Iridescent  Become a member of the show! www.blurrycreatures.com/members guest: judgementofthenephilim.com  contact: [e-mail]  Socials instagram.com/blurrycreatures  facebook.com/blurrycreatures twitter.com/blurrycreatures  Music Kyle Monroe: tinytaperoom.com  Aaron Green: https://www.instagram.com/aaronkgreen/  Mastering: ironwingstudios.com Outro Song: timecop1983.com www.blurrycreatures.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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cycling over and over again. The beginning is the end. The end is the beginning. And I think God shows us that all through scripture. Hey, you've stumbled across the podcast called blurry creatures. We talk about creatures in the biblical context. Try to give you answers to all the weird stuff that's to you or a friend or your family or somebody you know or just stuff you've read in history or maybe things your pastor's talked about a church that you never made sense of. The Weird is Welcome here on Blurry Creatures. We're bringing on Ryan Peterson's Day, author of several books about the Nephilim, The Judgment of the Nephilim and the Final Nephilim.

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And if they found out about a large skeleton somewhere was to go get it. I'm going to assume at least one person is right. Because if one person's right to bust the paradigm, it all goes back to the fallen chair. And the problem with the modern day church, they have a very truncated view of the supernatural. This backdrop that's just pregnant with all kinds of meaning associated with this Mount Hermon event.

And this guy defects from the kingdom. That's a big deal. Welcome back to the show, Ryan. Ryan Pedersen, for those of you guys who have just tuning into the podcast and if haven't heard our previous interviews with you, you've written some books about the Nephilim, which is one of our favorite topics, the judgment of the Nephilim. And that kind of launched you into the Nephilim space. And you've been on a couple times before.

We've talked about your books, you know, all things Nephlem. But we were just chatting before the show that you said you just had a viral, kind of like your most viral video about. And people are always messaged us. They always love to talk about CERN. They want us to talk about CERN. So welcome back to Blurry Creatures. And what do you think about your video specifically that was getting people excited?

And what have you found out about CERN that perhaps it makes you interested in it? Yeah. So first of all, fellas, thank you for having me back on. I appreciate it. It's great to be on. Congratulations on all your success of the show. Thanks. You know, both in video and on the podcast.

Glad to see it. Well deserved. I'm glad you guys are getting the word on, and then awakening people to everything happening in the supernatural realm. So in terms of the CERN episode, yeah. So obviously you're firing the machine back up on July 5th. And so my Thursday theology show, which is live, I did it the Thursday beforehand. So I'm maybe the second or the third of July. And like again, like you said, was by far my most popular episode, but also the one with the most challenges, logistically from tech issues.

and glitches and it kind of went with the theme of the show because the entire thing, what I want to do, because there are a lot of things about CERN out there, I wanted to explain what it actually was, the machine, the part of the collider and like, and what they're trying to achieve, but using their own words from the CERN website, from their actual research on their website. So there could be no questioning that where I'm getting this stuff from. And so right on the website, they talk about they have a page. about finding other dimensions. And the idea, basically they believe that in the particle collision,

the data that's really being recorded is what happens after the collision. And their hope is that they can see into another dimension, get glimpses into other dimensions that they on their website say exist and are invisible to the human eye, but that hopefully through the machine, through the collider, the halogen collider, they can actually locate them. And so my whole theory when it comes to whether we're talking about CERN, anything dealing with quantum physics, that research into transhumanism is that this is what the Bible's been talking about for millennia and explain how the Bible tells us that God created, that the Romans 1, that the visible things of creation are revealed by things that are invisible, that we can understand God's invisible

work through creation. And so the Bible's constantly telling us that the spiritual realm is invisible to the human eye. And so I said, you know, so one, Once again, we see with CERN, you know, man trying to achieve, you know, what God controls through our own might, through our own intelligence, through our own strength, rather than trusting in God to access the spirit and relevant. And I went through a couple of examples. I mean, one of the clear examples you see is with the Prophet of Elisha, when he is surrounded by the Assyrian army. And of course, his servant, Kahazi is, you know, worried he sees the army, the enemy is looking for. Elisha and he's, you know, saying, panicking, what are we going to do? They're coming to kill us. And Elijah prays and says, God, you know, open his eyes. And God basically super gives Gahazi, the servant

of Elisha vision into the spirit realm. And they see that they're actually surrounded by an angelic army. There's a host of armies, you know, chariates and horses of fire. And so Elisha clearly had that vision already. So the Bible is telling us and revealing that, yes, there is a spirit realm and it is invisible to the human eye, but that even a human being can be given the power to have sight into that realm. And I believe that certain is trying to do the same thing. Do you think a lot of the biblical writers had that gift? I do.

Yeah, absolutely. I think, you know, you see, you know, Daniel, Ezekiel, I mean, Ezekiel chapter one, you know, what he's seeing, you know, this creature where it has the eyes and the wheels upon wheels and it's hovering in the air. I mean, he's literally seeing these things outside, you know. And so I believe that God allowed the prophets to see into the spirit realm on many occasions. It's interesting because that's like not just Elisha, but Neda doesn't say like, biblically speaking, like you see that with Jacob where they had the two camps and there was this angelic camp. And then their stories, you know, it takes a little Google search, right?

Google stories like you're talking about of missionaries that that prayed for, and I remember it's one story and I'm going to butcher it a little bit, but the context is what's important is that they prayed for protection. They were out in the wild. A tribe came to wipe them out and then didn't. And then when they ended up speaking to the tribe, they had said, we came to kill you. And there was a whole army here outside walking around right outside your tent. There are very real times, whether it be biblically speaking or even like the miraculous, you know, more in the modern day where, and we talk about the time, the veil is. either thinned or removed at certain times.

Yeah, definitely. And I believe it happens. I believe it still happens today. And you find that often in accounts for missionaries, you know, also in certain countries. I think you find that more manifest, you know, you find those manifestations even more often as well. You know, my family's all from Jamaica and the Caribbean. You hear lots of stories of people seeing spirits, having spiritual encounters, you get visions into, again, through the veil. Like when the veil is temporarily removed.

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Well, I was going to say in that vision, right, what does he see exactly? Doesn't he see, like, chariots of fire and they're all over the hills and they're, that's kind of blurry, right? That's like what we podcast about all the time is exactly is these entities and that's the supernatural realm and I think what we try to do a lot on our show is give people more modern day phenomenon that's happening so they can trust these stories like Elisha's saying the he's seeing this stuff and I don't know why but a lot of Christians just have a hard time believe in those stories but if you've had some sort of paranormal experience then you go backwards you're like oh these these these stories that people seeing this stuff is it's actually legitimate and there's not new

either it's not new out of the sun right we said I said almost every episode It's like nothing, there's no, no new, no new deceptions, no new lies. No, exactly. And not only is it just not new, it's going to repeat, right? And that's, like, you know, in the final nephal, that's one of the main themes. Yeah. You think we're all going to see soon, right? Absolutely.

I think that's the great tribulation. I think of the great tribulation, right? There's so many implications to Jesus saying, as it was in the days of Noah, so shall it be in the days of the coming, the son of man. There's a, there's the genetic aspect of that and the sons of God. but also, I think also when you look at the days of Noah, the veil was removed. You know, before the flood, the veil was removed. There was no barrier. Adam and Eve could speak to God in the Garden of Eden.

Eve obviously speaks to the devil, right? Obviously, they have a conversation, Genesis 3. You have God punishing Adam, Eve, and the serpent altogether in a group. So you have cherubing blocking the entrance to the Garden of Eden, flaming sword. So the barrier was gone at that time. So I think, again, in the Great Tribulation, it will be fully removed. once again you have the return of fallen angels openly manifesting on the earth. And it's like a repeat of the flood.

Where in the flood judgment, of course, you have the waters coming from the fountains of the deep, as well as from the windows of heaven. Now it's going to be an angelic flood. You have the angels who are released from the abyss at the fifth trumpet, who I believe in the Genesis 6 angels. And then you, of course, have the remaining fallen angels who are cast out of heaven, Revelation 12, when they are finally evicted. by Michael and the righteous angels, you know, killed.

And Jesus even said that men's heart will fail them for what they see coming upon the earth, that people will literally drop dead. And I think it's because you're going to see fallen angels openly interacting, openly speaking, openly manifesting before humanity. It's going to get wild. So, I mean, we started this, though, with CERN, right? And so there's some things about CERN, right? Like, first off, there's a statue of Shiva out front, which is this Indian god of the life force.

And then, you know, people love to give us a lot of a guff about our logo and in the eye. And it's got some meaning. And it doesn't, right? We have to put this to bed all the time. But it, you know, it's meant to sort of poke fun at it. And then it's also a creature eye. Regardless of this, they just fired it up again. What do you think about the timing?

And what do you think they're really actually doing? Because they released an article right away about these exotic penta quirks. and tetra quirks and these these things they discovered on July 5th. And you actually did your show through your Facebook page on, you know, previous to this. So this is kind of fun because we can sort of get the recap. I don't know if you recapped it, but. Yeah, no, I didn't.

I didn't. So they allegedly found some things. The story of what they found, these new subatomic particles was nothing earth-shattering at all. But I think the end game is much bigger. I mean, again, that's why I said, I quote it from their own site. They are trying to access and, and tap into another dimension, into other dimensions. And something I compared it to was really Tower of Babel.

To me, Tower of Babel was the ancient version of CERN, right? Where they, you know, it was to reach heaven. I think it was an attempt, again, to pierce the veil, to open the veil. And think one of the most shocking verses you see is God's comment on the Tower of Babel. And again, think about it. It's technology. It's high technology, right? Because this level of construction.

So again, it's using technology to actually. access the spirit realm and God says, you know, if they complete this, there's nothing which they imagine, which can be restrained from them. There's nothing that whatever they want to do, they could achieve it. So to me, that's clearly God is saying that to say that there is some power that they were trying to access that if they finish this, they could have it. So I think, sir, I think so I think the stakes of what's being achieved or what they're trying to achieve with Cern is much higher than that. And I think that it's no coincidence that you see, you know, Shiva, the statute, out front or that you see a 666 logo.

Anytime to me we're seeing things like this, it's the convergence of prophecy and science. It's not a coincidence. There is always going to be some spiritual inspiration behind what these scientists are trying to do. And do you think that the scientists are clueless about this? Or do you think that somewhere behind closed doors, they kind of know what they're doing? Or do the elites sort of, they know what their mission is and they don't tell the minions? Yeah, I think it's a mix. I think it's a mix of some scientists who don't know what they're doing or don't unaware of

any spiritual implications, but I think there are some who have to. And I mean, and the thing about it, too, is that when it comes to my research, I'm old school. You know, I love stuff from centuries gone by. The idea, this separation of science and spirituality is something that is a convention of the 20th century. Prior to the 1900s, there was no separation between science and spiritualism. Most of the biggest spiritualists were scientists or intellectuals. So the notion that a scientific advancement could access the spirit realm. Look at the television, right? The original purpose of the television, right?

It was invented as the cathode ray tube. The whole purpose of the cathode ray tube was to access the spiritual realm. That was the original purpose of a television. And so, and it kind of still does that now, right? With all the demonic content that can come out of a television, right? But that was the original purpose. So again, you know, but when was that created? In the 19th century, before we had this artificial,

official, you know, this thing that we think now in our lifetimes, now, if you're a scientist, you don't believe in anything spiritual, but it used to be all merged. That's how it's been for the history of humanity. So, so again, I think it's in the same vein that there are lots people who understand the spiritual implications who are at CERN and understand that, hey, this might have spiritual implications, whether it's bringing in Shiva or bringing in Apollyon or whoever it is, they particularly are interested in worshiping. I think the Tower of Babel, is a fascinating parallel. You think about,

we've talked about it in past episodes about Ziggarots and the idea that they were essentially trying to build this access point or Stargate or portal into heaven. And then there's a story of Nimrod climbing the tower

and then trying to war with heaven, essentially shoot arrows into heaven, right? And it feels the same in the sense that they're trying to open this thing. And I was going to ask you what you thought about what their plans were. And I know we've postulated Nate

about them opening the abyss potentially, and you talked about Apollyon and letting out the watchers out of their imprisonment in the earth. And what do you think? Why now? Do you think it's a quickening that they're really trying to bring about this golden age and they think that reaching into this other dimension and perhaps opening these portals and bringing these entities through or trying to reach or communicate is the way that they're doing

that in order to get back to this golden age? or yeah i mean i i do right and that's that's what really so much of the high level spiritualism a cult is really about it's really about whether it's british spiritualism theosophy cabala it's all about really trying to access the angelic rump and bring them back even matthew henry who has one of the most famous commentaries in the bible when he wrote on the tower of babb he specifically said he He felt he, his interpretation was Nimrod was trying to bring back the angels from the days of Noah back to the earth. Bring back that antediluvian era, the era of Atlantis, all these things to bring back that knowledge, that secret wisdom and that era of angels and humans openly interact. So I think it's this is this the same thing, different technology, different error.

So I have a question. We talk a lot about, you know, the megalithic structures and things that sounded like ancient versions of CERN on the show, whether it be. you know, doorways and rocks and places like Machu Picchu or other places around the United States, even that we can't get to because are mysteriously protected by the national parks and things. Are all portals the same, you think, or is CERN something different? Because it sounds like there are certain places, high places, thin places. Our show's been getting more and more into this idea of doorways and portals. And I just wonder what you think separates CERN from like all these other places that are supposedly doorways to other dimensions.

mentions. Yeah, that's a great question. And I don't know if, if when they constructed the facility, if they were thinking about those things like lay lines and sacred locations and things like that. But I think it's obvious all through scripture, there are certain locations. God, right, has a location, right? The temple can only be in one location on the earth. That's it. It cannot be anywhere else. God's temple can only be on one mountain. So whether it's for the divine, righteous side or for the evil side, there are definitely sacred locations. And, you know, in judgment of the Nephilim, you know, that's one of the chapters I write all about the Jordan River and how that was to me, I call that the area 51 of the Bible, because there are so many times you see the veil being

pierced at the Jordan River. We talked about Elijah. He, you know, he parted, he was able to parted the Jordan River with his mantle, supernaturally, like the Red Sea parted. Elijah was raptured to heaven in chariots of fire at the Jordan River, right? You have Naman, the commander, you know, the Syrian military commander who had leprosy dips himself seven times in Jordan River comes out. He's healed. The baptism of Jesus Christ at the Jordan River, something I've been looking to a lot lately, but at the Jordan River, what do you see? The heaven opens. The Holy Spirit descends like a dove. God, the Father, speaks from heaven the full intersection of the heavenly the spiritual realm. So I believe that's definitely a location of a thin location, so to speak,

in terms of seeing the veil being pierced and us getting a glimpses, if not full views into the spirit realm at that location. It's a tough topic because, you know, most of the creatures we talk about a lot, I mean, it sounds more and more like they're coming from some other place into our realm and going to and from. And so that's why the portal stuff is interesting to me. And I wonder if CERN is sort of letting some of these. creatures in, these things that they, maybe they can, they think they can recruit an army or something, you know, but. It feels to me more like a control thing.

Like, we talk about these places on earth and you talk about lay lines, Ryan, and these thin spots that exist, right? And there's ideas of portals or opening portals through ritual and stuff like that, where this almost feels like it's a control thing, like where they kind of know, manufacture what feels like like a gateway and then be able to kind of control it in a way that I would, you know, expect or maybe the way I think about things in the natural where we hypothesize that there's Stargates or portals we want to call them exist, then it kind of things sort of happen, it doesn't feel like a control thing unless there's some sort of ritual that opens it and something

comes through. But this feels almost like scientifically we have man trying to open and control a doorway so they can almost pick. It's like it feels like the control has always been on the other side, like things can come through. Right. Unless you watch mission four and one, maybe people go through the other way, this don't come back. But maybe this is a way that, this is what feels like to me is a way to try to construct and control in order to sort of, maybe you can pick and choose. It's kind of like you reach in the bag, you decide what you're getting. Exactly. And it's not even just anything about matter, right?

Things coming through the portal. It's also time, right? And this again, is going back to what science says. If you can open the suspension, you can even go back into time or see into time. You know, so even that is something that, again, you can find reputable scientists saying that if you were able to achieve what turns trying to achieve that you have that power to do that. So yes, I think it is a controlled, like an attempt to make, you know, an artificial portal, so to speak, essentially. Do you think that there's a, this is a crazy thought? And this is, Nate, this might just be wild, like just, you know, a dumb Luke thought.

But I think there's kind of an effort then. If we were to just take what we know about quantums in space time and the bending of space time. Do you think there could be at some point or potentially now some sort of concerted effort to bend time to essentially go back and try to prevent some of like this thing about this. We're talking about, and we love sci-fi, time travel movies, back to the future, right? We're 80s guys, Nate. It makes you think, I wonder, like, if there's the possibility to bend space time per Einstein. It's just a big delorean is what you're saying. Why wouldn't.

Very expensively. Nefarious people try to go back and do with the, you know, the wise. watchers and everything in Gen 6 couldn't do was try to prevent Messiah, right? And it's a wild thought. I don't think God and his sovereignty, I don't think that there's any way that he would allow that, governing all things natural, right?

I just, but I wonder if there's not some sort of impetus there. Because you either do that, right? You do that, or you play the long game, which is you try to prevent the biblical prophecy, those things which to come, which is your judgment ultimately, if you're in the darkness, right? is that you're just trying to make it last as long as possible.

So these things can't come to pass. So the things, the biblical prophecies that are there, those markers, you just push them out ineffently by, you know, by removing mankind's ability to be human. Those kind of things we see in transhumanism. It's just a crazy thought. It's not that crazy, though, to me, because again, you kind of nailed to me the whole underlying theme here, which is the long game is prophecy. It's about undoing God.

God's declared prophecy, right? And this is like, you know, because think about it. I mean, God, his entire name, reputation is rested on prophecy. Isaiah 46, verse 10, God says, you know I am God because I have declared the end from the beginning and from ancient times the things that shall be. So God is saying, if you want to know who I am and how I'm different from all the fallen angels, from all the demons, it's because I can tell you the future. And my word won't fail. So God's resting everything on that. And obviously, again, it's that so much of what's taking place in this war is the devil trying to undo prophecy. So I think if there's a chance to go back and have a second chance to try and undo a prophecy, of course, the devil will try and do it. And if you look in,

you know, the book of Daniels, you know, prophecies of the Antichrist says that he's going to seek to change times and seasons. So even the time, the way time is measured itself is going to change in the Great Tribulation to some way. Right. So that's crazy. I think. I think, it's something that's big on God's mind and on the devil's mind. God himself, I believe, even even the expression of God's name, the divine name, Yodhe, Vahe, Yahweh, I believe is an expression of God existing outside of time. I am that I am, the all-existent one, right? Jesus being past, present, future all at once. Yeah, quantum superliction. Yeah, the uncreated, right? He's Yeah, yeah. He's existing in all times at all times, right? And so the devil knows this.

The devil. John knew this. Think about the book of Revelations. The only book that's written outside of time. John's told to write things while he's in heaven. He's seeing Jesus says, I'm going to reveal to you, things that have been that are in what shall be. So he's seeing past, present, and future all at once in front of his eyes and recording it. So he wrote that book outside of time.

So I think time itself is a very valuable tool in this ongoing war between God and the devil. It's almost like they have to, if they come in, into our realm, they're sort of on the road and they can't get off. They can try to manipulate while they're on, but they're on this timeline, this road of time. And one thing we talk about a lot is how Earth mirrors heaven, right? And so I'm thinking about CERN. It's an enormous amount of energy. And I'm thinking the Nephilim creatures knew how to tap into the Earth's energy. And so they could probably open portals just based on understanding how much energy it takes maybe to open up something like this. Whereas CERN needs an incredible amount of energy. It's more like the knockoff

crappy version of a portal, you know, in terms of if it was versus Nephilim technology, that they probably understood way more than we do. We're almost like we've stumbled on this technology, but we still don't know what we're doing. And we're just kind of... Exactly. I think the Nephlem creatures knew exactly what they were doing and knew how to manipulate this energy. So if you think about CERN from just like a scientific perspective with no God involved, it doesn't really make any sense. Like what are they really trying to do? They have this giant facility with an enormous amount of energy. It has to be something nefarious to me. Because what is the layman's explanation if people don't believe it's supernatural? It just seems obvious to me that something's going on.

Well, I mean, they're looking for the God particle, right? I mean, literally, it feels to me, It feels to me like the promise of the serpent. It's like you will be like the gods. If mankind can find the god particle, this building block, whatever they want to call it dark matter, whatever it is, this thing that they, from which things come from, right? And harness that. It feels like the promise of the garden, right?

Is that you can, it's not be like God, it's be like the gods. It's like the Elohim, which. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Which is that elevated state. right right it's almost like you have the power to create worlds create to create dimensions right and isn't interesting too that in that same passage right what it would say and say your eyes will be

open so it's about seeing something that you can't see with your eyes right now but if you can just tap into this you'll see something completely different right so so yes i i think it's all this there's no way that you know for all this effort in the computing power i don't you've ever seen the pictures of the server rooms there i mean it's insane and the sheer energy and money there's definitely a much bigger agenda. And I think it's true. It's essentially being like the Elohim, trying to access that power to whether it's getting to the,

to building blocks of the universe, to build your own worlds or just opening another world. You mean, one of the things I think with connecting this of biblical prophecy, and that's something I know you like to do and you do very well. What do you think, this is my question, what do you think is the next step with this? Like, I mean, if we're looking in your biblical prophecy guy, if you're looking at where do you think this fits,

you don't need a timeline because everybody likes to put numbers on everything. But maybe just in the chronological or sort of the from here to the end. Right. So right, yeah. So you know, you think about it from a purely technological standpoint. When you look at the book of revelation, everything's in place, right? There's nothing left that you see from a text standpoint, right? You have the mark of the beast. That's obviously something conceivable now. It's very conceivable to have a technology that you can literally inject into your hands that's connected to Wi-Fi that you can use to buy things. right. That's something that people could readily see is happening. It is happening, right? You know, you see in Sweden, other countries that are injecting RFID chips and things like that. Then you look at the two witnesses being killed. And it says everyone in the world sees their dead bodies in the streets for three and a half days.

So clearly, again, easily achievable, right? They have like a, you know, meta. Facebook has, you know, these air balloons that they're sending, they put in remote reasons, whether it's in Africa. of Southeast Asia where they're just literally sending balloons that are giving transmitters pumping out free Wi-Fi. They want everybody in the world online. So again, easily, easily you can have hundreds of millions of people watching the same video. No problem, right, today. What's left, and I think it's not discussed enough in the book of Revelation, is that

the fact that the Antichrist and the False Prophet are going to have literal, supernatural power. They're going to perform real. acts, they're supernatural to win the world over. And I think where CERN fits in is if they reported any time in the next year that, okay, we, you know, there was, you know, a particle or some part disappeared when CERN fired. Would it be, you know, people are ready to accept that yet. There was actual teleportation or, you know, some type of energy was unleashed. There are things, I think now that this is setting the stage to really see supernatural things occur.

Just like you see with disclosure, but all the government's now saying, yes, we've been studying this for 50 years. We have files or declassifying. To me, it's setting the stage to say to accept the supernatural. Because I think at this point, there are lots of things CERN could announce that people would say, oh, wow, this is amazing. You know, like, you know, because we're being prepped to accept extraterrestrial life and the supernatural.

So I think that's the real role because that's the real role. because that that's the key. It has to win over. You know, it even says like, you know, the fullest probable call fire from heaven. You know, these are things that people are going to, this is going to be a part of everyday life, you know, in the Great Tribulation.

And so I think when you see things like CERN, it gives a legitimacy to a one day assigned to saying, yeah, you know, we fired it up and something came through. You know, when we... I have a thought, but I wonder if it is more about time. I wonder, because, I do think already that they know there are portals and gates already in some places in the earth. I mean, we had several guests who had some wild ideas about that.

But some people think that all the observatories in the world, like the Catholic Church owns one in the desert, right? And some people say, that's not, they're not looking at the stars. There's something else going on there. It's a cover, right? It's a cover for whatever else they're really doing. It makes you think that if CERN is more like a delir. It's more like a time bender thing than it is a portal because I think we already have portals. And that's what you see a lot on this show is that you get close to the truth, like whatever theory you have, whether it's like we didn't go to the moon.

But, you know, they fake the moon landing. And it's, and I always wonder if it's a hybrid. Like maybe they showed us a fake version of it, but maybe they actually went and did something else. And they didn't show us what they showed everybody else. You know what I mean? Like it's it's never, it's never the easy. conspiracy theory on the surface. It's always more complicated. And I just wonder about CERN if there's something else going on that feels even more nefarious than just a straight up portal. What do you,

you know, I don't know if that triggers anything in your brain, but it's, I mean, yeah, I mean, the time is, I think time is an interesting idea. And I think it's interesting too, like we talked about, we talked about Herman, like, which is now occupied by a UN base. Exactly. So, but listen, like, all the stuff biblically, the kind of weird stuff, A lot of it happened on mountain tops, which is really strange, too. And so we talk about portals and stargates and stuff that happens, but there's transfiguration. And, you know, Gen 6 is top of Mount Hermann. Mount Sinai.

Mount Sinai. Mount Airat. Things happen on mountains. And I don't think that's far-fetched. Honestly, I, and it kind of actually is a good segue, rhyme, because I wanted to come back to something you said earlier. And that was talking about the River Jordan, because when we had John before, we didn't really get into that. a ton, but you said you've been doing some research on it. And I think talking about man constructing a portal, whether it be for time or to open the abyss, maybe all of the above,

right? Maybe Nate's right. Maybe it's more, it's probably more nuanced than that. It's yes and, right? But naturally speaking, then, you've been diving in the Jordan River. Talk to us a little about that. I think talking about something that is now God-given in that place is the antithesis of CERN, really. Exactly. And again, you know, we think about it, it makes sense. The devil's going to mimic everything God does, right? Be as God. I will be like the most high. And so it's always a mimicry, right? And so just recently, I've been looking at the Jordan River just because I've been digging into the Dead Sea Scrolls, which is something I really haven't researched much beyond how it

establishes scripture, right? Obviously, it's the greatest verification of the accuracy of the Bible. That I've known since I was a kid, but I've never really dig into, you know, the text themselves, what was more prominent among what was written and who wrote them, right? And so what I've found, what I've been noticing, and I think from scripture and from research is that where the Jordan River meets the Dead Sea is Qumran. And I think that's the place of the crossing. I think that's what's called Beth Bar or Beth Abara in scripture. I believe that's where specific location in the Jordan River,

most of these supernatural things were happening. The place of the crossing is where it's like crossed into the promised lands. And you're specifically told, the New Testament that that is where John the Baptist was baptized at Bethabar. You know, the names are different in the Old and New Testament, but it's the same location. And it also says near the city of Adam. So you even wonder, was Adam there? Right.

So again, you talk about these locations. And of course, that's where, of course, you have the baptism of Jesus where heaven opens. And so what a thing I think about, and again, linking it kind of discern, bringing it all together is another quantum, you know, when you think about quantum entanglement, that's, particles connected through again, through time, you know, that are affecting each other. And I think prophecy works the same way that like John had to be in this spot. Like there are specific things that because it's connecting God's prophecy through time even. And now I'm at the point where I'm really wondering, you know, you hear the voice crying in

the wilderness. You know, you go back to the 17, 1800s, a lot of theologians said that. And interesting, this is before the discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls that John lived, lived in Kumran. John the Baptist, that's where he was because the wilderness, quote, unquote, is the desert of Judea, which at that time would put him right in that area. And so I wonder if that was, if he could have even been an author of the Dead Sea Scrolls, which of course, you get to 1947 and when you have the voice of the word of God crying out in the wilderness, because we found 15,000 biblical fragments that have been maintained for, you know, almost 2,000, 2,000 plus years. And so, so that's what, so it's

really interesting that you have so much supernatural activity there. That was also where that's the same wilderness that Jesus was tempted by the devil. You know, right after his baptism as he continues, it's right after he leaves John the Baptist that he's now fasting for days and 40 nights and the devil confronts the Lord. Well, that's interesting that the demons and the devil are in that dry places in the desert. Yeah, exactly. Why specifically? I mean, if there are spirit beings, why are they forced to be in a geolocation? It wouldn't make sense, right, unless there's something else we don't understand? Exactly. Yeah, I think it's all linked. It's all that, again, when you think about it from the natural, non-artificial man-made side,

that there's definite portals, locations that all have an enormous amount of significance. In fact, when you look in scripture, it actually says that John, when he describes his birth, it says that basically, like, but he was in that area for years before he comes. He was in. kind of really kicked off his ministry, baptizing and obviously preaching the coming of Messiah. So God wanted him there for a reason. And then also when you look at even at the archaeology of Coomron, you know, you see there, there's a number of baptismal pools. You know, so some of it is just very similar in the way he was living and how they were living in that community there. That's fascinating. Hello, we talked about the last episode of just a little

bit about how, you know, the devil has these plans and then then David rolls out with a stone, you know, and then there's just these jars of clay inside these hill, you know, and just these pots full of, full of truth. And it's always just this simple thing that really reveals and takes the, the enemy's plans out. Amen. And so I guess the question then in my mind is just, you know, about time itself, because we've had a lot of people come on our show and say really odd things like seeing reenactment of civil war battles on their inside their house. Wow.

Or, or, you know what I mean? Like, they've had paranormal experiences that would like sound time loss or time loss. Yeah, or time loss. Yeah. Yeah. Like, and those are the hardest ones to understand from a biblical standpoint of like, how is, how can we go back in time and how can these demons seem to reenact parts of history? It just, it sounds so

odd. And I never really know what to think about that. Again, you know, I feel like God kind of tells us that's how he has arranged the universe because he's saying that he's going to speak to us through similitudes that events are going to repeat, right? You think about Joseph when Pharaoh has a dream, Joseph's locked up in jail and he gets called into interpret Pharaoh's dream. He says, I know it was from God because it happened twice because you dream twice. It repeated.

And so it's like God's mark. And so this is what I call the scroll of time, that time from the divine perspective. to me is not linear. It's like a scroll where events are repeating, cycling over and over again. The beginning is the end. The end is the beginning. And so I think that and I think God tells us, shows us that all through scripture. He tells us, just look at the titles of Jesus, right? Jesus in the Old Testament, there are messianic prophecies that call the Messiah, David, calls him David. David, my servant, referencing Messiah. So it's like, again, it's going through time saying that David is just a temporary picture of the future Messiah.

So it's always connecting. You have types and shadows and foreshadows. So I think on the other side, in the Sinnerser's side, you can have the devil recreating his events from the past in a similar fashion because things are just repeating over. I think all this is a cycle that, you know, we talk about double fulfillments of prophecy. I think most prophecies have multiple fulfillments throughout history. until the Great Tribulation.

And all the best films, like the first two seconds, the opening scene is telling you exactly how it's going to end. And those are always the best films, you know. And I think it's fascinating. It's like Genesis doesn't, you know, it didn't get a lot of airtime growing up in the church. And now I think that's why people are just tuning into our podcast and sending us somebody.

Because we spend so much time in Genesis as a journey podcast, like, what the heck happened in Genesis? you know. It's going to happen again. That's why I think it's so important, right? It's like Ryan, like you said, like the, we know the days of Noah, right? Like, and however, you know, people want to interpret that and say, you know, people have told, sent us messages saying, oh, just means sin.

That is such a, it feels like such a, a 2D version. It's much more than that. For sure. If God, if God told us that, if God told us, which he said in Isaiah 46, I have declared the end from the beginning. I've told, I've already revealed everything. going to happen. We have to go back, right? That's the mission. We have to go and figure it out. And I think it's it's days of Noah. It's Genesis 315. It's the Exodus. All these things are telling us.

I mean, just look at the parallels. It's in the Exodus. You have the judgment of water turns to blood. You have the Great Tribulation. There's a judgment of locust. You have locusts release at the Fifth Trump at Revelation chapter 9. There's supernatural darkness. I mean, this is not a coincidence. This is God showing us again through time, this rippling, you know, quantum repetition, if you will. So think about this, too. You know, one of my favorite prophecies, mysteries in the Bible that I got to write on in Revelation 17, when the angels explained to John what the seven head beast is, what does it mean? What does it symbolize? And he says, the seven heads are seven kings.

Five were. One is. One is yet to come. And shall continue a short space. And the eighth head, he is of the seven and go into perdition. you know, what is that mean? It's this crazy time-bending prophecy that's telling you, and I believe it's telling us that the Antichrist himself has been on earth before.

He's been here five, you know, I believe five times. And at the time, Jama's writing Revelation, which I believe was circa 96 AD, the angel saying one is, one of these days, he's around right now, and there's still one to come. And then there's another who's just of those seven. So again, it's a prophecy, but it's going back, forth, present. all in one verse. And so again, and so time, all this plays a huge, huge role in how God is revealing himself

and revealing his will through time. You know, I mean, obviously we're an 80s show. We love the 80s. So, I mean, let's get weird here. Can, like The Terminator could, you know, the Terminator is that's basically what the story of the Terminator is, right? So could angels send, send warriors back in time to prevent something from happening? Do you believe that's possible?

is like the devil's ultimate dream. I could just go back, right? I mean, the scripture says if they knew what they had they known crucifying was going to bleed the destruction, they wouldn't have, they wouldn't have, they wouldn't have crucified Christ. But if you go back to the birth to Mary and just stop the whole thing, I think that's, I think the terminator is an is, was on some level inspired to express the desire of the devil, right, to go back.

Right. And of course, John Connor, right, Jesus Christ, John Connor. I mean, it's not to me, the initials are not a coincidence. So let's get real weird here. Let's do it. You said earlier that God is the only being outside of time. So if Jesus is the only begotten son of God together, they have, that's my understanding of it. They have the genetic ability to be outside of a time.

But everything else is a created being from Christ himself. So therefore, they are locked into time. Is that how you see it? That is how I see it. Yes. Okay. Boom. Exactly.

There you go, Nate. Professor Nate, put on your hat. They can't send a Terminator back in time because they are a product of it. Maybe they're not dying as fast as we are. Yeah. But they can only bend and move. They can't, like you said, they couldn't go back in time and kill the Messiah. I think they wish they could, but they can't.

They can't, exactly. I mean, obviously, if they would have tried. Maybe they have tried. Or trying to try in. Trying to best. Yeah, I mean, what keeps him from trying to try it? And then that's another question I have is that like we see the evolution of human technology. Do angels have this evolution of technology as well, you think?

Is it getting crazier and crazier in their realms? I think so, right? And I think because God, you know, it's interesting that I think that it's amazing to see the way God operates. So like, you know, setting the parameters for angels, right? And if you think, you know, and this is something I'd talk about too again. When you think about Apollyon and that prophecy from Revelation 17, how is the answer? Antichrist on earth seven times. How does it even work? And I think that this being is allowed to indwell seven leaders throughout biblical history for a time. So God is setting the parameter.

So I think as we get close to the Great Tribulation, God is going to give more lenience to the fallen angels to do more. So, you know, God, because God has always, we see it in Job. God's always saying, hey, okay, you can damage Job's his possessions and everything he loves, but don't touch him. Then in chapter too. It's okay, now you can touch him and harm him, but you can't kill him. So it's always God setting the parameters. I think it's going to open up even more to allow the angels to access more of what they have technologically or through a cult supernatural dark power to unleash on earth. We talked about that, Nate, like that there's the idea of this courtroom, right, that God has set all these, everything in, has laid the foundations and set the rules.

And the devil's just trying and his minions are just trying to catch God on a technicality. They're trying to essentially maneuver within that in order, which is fascinating to me. It's interesting. Like the idea of the pride, I don't know what goes into that, but the idea that you could beat the master at

his own game is a whole other thing, but it's interesting that they could tell you, Joe, they even had to ask permission, right? And then Revelation talks about how they will be given permission to, they'll be released and given permission for a set amount of time.

And then that's over. Then they can put in the lake of fire and it's, we're done. I mean, talk about God's ways are higher than ours and like understanding why. And sometimes I think it's something that could make your, make your brain into mush, right? And that connects through time too, by the way, right? Because you have Revelation in chapter 9, right? Where sinful humanity finally achieves immortality.

And I believe they do that by taking the mark of the beast. And that's, of course, when now you have the locust, the fallen angels, released from the abyss. and they're given permission to torment all who don't have the seal of God. So anyone who's unsaved, they torment them. And of course, that's what everyone wants to die, right? Now people want to just want to die, but they can't die. Death is fleeing from them.

And, you know, it's for five months, right? And which, of course, goes back to the days of Noah. Because, you know, when you look at the flood chronology in Genesis 8, the angels were, the floodwaters raged. We're told in Genesis 8 for 150 days. And so in Ezekiel 31, it says then the day that the Assyrian, I believe, was the angelic leader of them. He says, I brought you down to the nether parts on the earth in the days that the floodwaters assuaged. So you had them being tormented losing their kingdom, their nephalim offspring, their wives, everything destroyed for 150 days.

Then they're dragged down to the abyss under change of darkness. Then in the end time is they're released for 150 days. So time really plays a big role in how God is unfolding prophecy. Yeah, it's complex. I guess my thought is like these creatures that people see. I mean, they're vast. They're weird. They're strange. And they come out of, they come out of somewhere. I don't think they're all here on Earth. And we've, you know, people have come on our show and said that some of them look like insects. Some of them look like blonde-haired beings. What do you think about that, the vastness of the creatures themselves? I mean, the Bible doesn't give us a lot of descriptors in terms of all this weird stuff. And I think that's why our show is, kind of hitting a nerve with a lot of people because they want to know. They want to know. They've seen something strange. They need context for it, right?

They want to treat it. Yeah, exactly. I think everything we're talking about, you know, it's really this, to me, I think that blurry creatures are somehow been permitted to go through the veil for a time, whether it's a night, whether it's five minutes. It's got through the veil so that now with human eyes, you can actually see it. And I think in terms of their different appearances, I think that's where humanity, like we're so, like we're so young and so naive compared to these beings who've been alive for millennia that, you know, I believe a lot of them are shapeshifters, that they can present themselves in all sorts of different ways.

You know, I think, in fact, I think that personally that when you see the Revelation 12 war and those angels being cast to earth, I think they might come presenting themselves as beautiful beings, not come and looking for war and to destroy anybody, coming as beautiful benevolent beings. They might say they're from another planet, that they're here to help us evolve. And I think that we look at creatures. It's the same idea that they can, it's just they're taking their assuming form. And one thing that we really don't have a grasp on is the demonic realm, right? You know, how are demons, you know, when you look, you read the gospels, demons are everywhere.

I mean, they're all over the police. It's that Israel is overrun with demonic activity. So there are times where God is allowing more of that to happen that these beings are coming. So to me, their ability to take different forms and different appearances is probably to me something they've always had an ability, but we know so little about it. It's like overwhelming to us to see the different forms they can take. But I think one day we're going to realize, wow, they can do a hundred different forms. And we just never realized it because obviously we have a limited knowledge.

I think, Nate, I think there's something there too, like with the watchers, right? when they talk about how they taught them how to do magic and spells and the cutting of roots, right? You talk about the things that they, and then, I'm just connected to dots, we've had a couple episodes, Ryan and Nate, about the Skin Walker and how, according to

the Navajo, and according to the actually previous to the Navajo, the Aztecs and Mayans, there was a ritual in which, and it was a required human sacrifice, and apparently still does. According to John, who had in the show,

and also to Mark Carpenter. And then we see these stories of these people becoming coyotes and becoming, you know, werewolves and these different beings via this, the practice of sorcery. Yeah, it's like a spell. Which we know was taught. And if you,

if you took the Gen 6th and the trading of technology and knowledge for human wives and the fall and everything, after that, the Nephilim is where our show lives, right? Absolutely. Your two books, the number one on Amazon, you know, the judgment of Nephilim,

in the final life film, that's the space. And yet, so I think it's fascinating, just to make this point, and there's a long-winded way to say it, but they know how to do it. Like, they taught people via satanic ritual that this is how you can do it. And so that doesn't surprise me in some ways.

Actually, I didn't really thought about that in that sense, but if they're teaching this forbidden knowledge, and we would say that that's what it is, perhaps some of this is, you know, perhaps a demonic or a fallene, angel shape shift, Nate. And I didn't really thought about the context of that. But if that knowledge came from the fallen, as we see in Enoch, it talks about that, especially. Yeah. Yeah. Hearing you say that just brings my mind, I'm kicking myself. I don't remember the name of the book, but it was written by

a PhD, a doctorate, researcher. His last name was Narby. And he went and spent, I want to say maybe a year or two years in the Amazon with an indigenous community that was harvesting ayahuasca. And he was saying, of course, he's taking ayahuasca and having all these encounters. But he said that, you know, he kept saying how he kept seeing he'd be in a room, you know, with different people from the community and would be basically high or tripping on ayahuasca. However, whatever the correct terminology is when you're taking ayahuasca and start seeing people as serpents. and the artwork from the shaman's was all of serpents. It was just unbelievable.

And he even showed some of their ancient artwork where you see again the shape of the caduceus that looks like DNA. And it's from centuries ago, these little sketches that they had. And just again, how he himself was seeing human beings looking serpentine once he was under the influence of ayahuasca. Yeah, Dr. Jeremy Narby. There you go. He wrote the cosmic serpent. There you go. That's it. That's it. I feel like on Rogan, where I got to Google this, and I'll get you. I'll get you. I'll get you put it in this here. What do you think, I saw this question about the tree of life, right? So what do you think the knowledge of good and evil? This is expanding my understanding of that event, right? Like, it's not a simple Sunday school answer. There's something else going on there. There, you know, human beings were, we were immortal. We did have this, I guess, higher state of being, but we had this naivity as,

well. And I wonder, like, we lost sort of that cosmic power that we had or that and maybe more angel, angelic power that we used to have. And then we're, but now we're, we have this knowledge of good and evil, but it seems so much more complex than just Sunday school answers we've been given. For sure. For sure. Yeah. Yeah. I think that I, I think, I like the way you described it, that we had a cosmic power, right, that we lost, in addition to understanding right from wrong, obviously, who told you you were naked, right? Like, why did it matter?

You know, it's a very strange thing. You know, God, if all the things of God to say after the first sin, you know, who told you you were naked? Like, why did that matter? Like, there has me some significance to that. And I think it could even be that Adam and even emitted light or reflected divine light, right? You know, you see Moses upon the Mount Sinai, which we mentioned, obviously.

earlier for 40 days, he comes down and he's glowing because he's been in God's presence. And they have to put a veil, of course, again, I think another typology there, right? He has to have a veil to, because they're so scared of the divine light. There has to be a barrier there to, so he can even speak to the Israelites. And so, you know, I spec, you know, I theorize that Adam and Eve could have emanated that same type of light. It also represented their higher consciousness. their higher connection to the divine that was extinguished by sin, right?

And I think that's that they weren't just naked physically that there was much deeper that sin actually altered them. And that's why God had to banish them because their actual condition. They're, you know, their physiology or spiritual physiologies merged, changed. And I think that's why God said, less they eat from the tree of life and live. God was like, I can't have them eat from the tree of life. because if they eat it in this state that they're in now, they're fully corrupt, they'll be corrupted forever.

And so I think it was much more than just a head knowledge of right and wrong as well. Yeah. And that's kind of what you're taught growing up in the church. And you get to a certain age and things get confusing. And you don't really understand the story. And a lot of people abandon their faith, sadly. Yeah. I mean, that's a big motivation of what I do is that, you know, we've lost so much and so many

people because of these really shoddy explanations of complex passages and teachers. If you're going to teach the Bible and leave out the supernatural, you're just, you're really, you're robbing people. You're robbing your students if you're leaving that stuff out. You know, I mean, that's, you know, a judgment on the Nephlam. I mean, so much of it. It was about my own experiences speaking to people about the faith. I used to witness, you know, old school witnessing with gospel tracks on the

streets of New York City. You know, you get all sorts of feedback. Let's put it that way. You learn things about your mama you never even knew. The strangers are going to tell you. So, so, you know, but a lot of people, a lot of people want to have an intellectual debate with you. And they want to actually challenge you and not just insult you, but really challenge your faith. And the first thing they bring up is the flood. How could God do that? You know, and if you don't understand the supernatural implications of the flood in the Nephilim, Genesis 6, how can you, you can't justify, to me, you can't justify God's actions or the wars in Canaan. And that this is a genetic targeted war to, again, save the human race.

You can't. And so it goes right to your point, the Garden of Eden. If we're just explaining in a simple, simple way, God is, was God not only kicked them out and banish them, which, which could look bad by itself, but then it doomed the entire human race. Because they made one sin and we're all doomed because of that. it's irrational. But there's a spiritual component that we had a connection supernaturally to God that was severed and altered us to the point that we can't be redeemed minus Messiah.

Now it starts to make sense that God pushed them out because of love, not because I'm just angry and I'm irrational, get out. Yeah, yeah. It's like a genetic altered if you know, you're permanently going to, you know, this is going to pass down via, whether you want it or not. Exactly.

It's in the blood almost. In Adam all die, right? Yeah. So that's there it is. So the last couple episodes I've been thinking about this a little bit more because I mean, as we learn, the Nephilim, they were worshipping

the snake and they're building these serpent mounds and they're constantly building these structures and having these empires as if Satan himself is their God. The Nephilim are are worshipping the devil

that I think there's something as God. As God. There's something to tap into. I think again, when you talk about Tower of Babel, there's something in worship, I think that unlocks power.

That's why it's so important to have one world government, to have one world world. Because I remember also the Tower of Babylon, God said, behold, the people are one. And so it wasn't just

that they were building this. It was that they were also completely unified. And I believe there's a spiritual power in that. And that also, you even think of another book that I can remember the name of, which is a law symbol, Dan Brown, his book after Da Vinci Code, which obviously wasn't as big, but still pretty popular.

It was dealing with, in the book, they were calling it noetic science. And it was the study of an energy that is created when people are in mass. And so it was all about, basically, the plot of the book was unlock. that. And so I think a lot of that is really the Antichrist agenda. If I can unify everyone in worshiping me, I will unlock this greater power. And so I think that's where a lot of the reverence, the reverence of Satan to see over and over again that even the angels have to revere in the Nephilim is all to try and unlock something that's found in corporate, unified, like one-mind worship. Oh, that's fascinating. Dang. It reminds you the matrix when they like harvest people

and they're taking advantage of people. And you think about all these events. And we did some episodes on like that Travis Scott concert a couple years ago or maybe a year ago. The spiritual. I mean, that was, I mean, what, I mean, the demonic presence that was there. Because again, all these people crammed in this, you know, in this concert, you know, it unlocks something.

And most concerts are spiritual. You have everyone in unison singing and gathered together. there's so much spiritual energy. So I think that's a big part of the agenda. And when you talk about the Matrix, which, you know, I think the first year came out, probably still at 25 times. Although I thought the new one was terrible. Oh, it was horrible.

It was like a Babylon 5 episode. It was so bad. It was the worst. Well, we agree. So, yeah, but you know, the, the, you think about the matrix and again, being jacked in, everyone jacked. acting and all the energy that's harvested because of that. There's something interesting with the image of the beast in Revelation 13.

I've just been researching. I've been thinking about it and kind of digging into recently. It's not even in any of my books or anything, but it's that it says that the image of the beast, it knows the image will put to death anyone who is not worshipping. First of all, I think the image has to, one, it's given life, right? It's actually alive. We're told the false prophet gives it life. So you have this statue image that actually is alive.

It's like the fulfillment of AI, true artificial consciousness. But also it actually knows globally who is worshipping it. How could that, so again, is like, are people going to actually, through the mark, be kind of jacked into like a matrix type of system? How could it actually know, okay, I know right now who in Japan is not worshiping me and who is worshipping me? Like it's going to actually be fully aware of who is worshipping, who is not. And so that's something that made me think of the Matrix. Like, are people going to actually be jacked into one system via the mark into the Antichrist system and into this being, this artificially created living being that knows whether you're worshipping every day?

Or just like, you know, we were always kind of taught growing up that Satan is just an egomaniac and he needs everyone to worship him. But what if it's more like a bad thing? He needs every single battery plugged in in order to fight God. Exactly. Exactly. It's interesting too in the context of what we hear in John's visions of heaven, right? Which is that the surrounding of the throne of God with worship and the incense, the prayers are like incense. It's this, it again is this really bad, counterfeit antithesis of the order of God, right?

which is that he is worshipped on his throne. And the prayers of his people are like incense and they're on the throne. And they sing holy, holy, holy is Lord. They sing 24-7. Yeah. And that's what he's trying to do that. And when you think about worship, too, I think it's fascinating. This is what I thought about when you say that is that it sounds a lot like compliance too.

It sounds like obedience. We live in a time now where they're trying to track us, all of us, and everything we do. and I don't think it's a far leap to say that they'll do that same thing, you know, in a compliance standpoint. And whether you want to call that worship, then it becomes worship. And maybe in a Stockholm syndrome kind of a way, right, where they track you 24-7, what you're doing and if you're complying. We're almost there, like in the sense of that technology can happen. Yeah. Yeah.

Well, they do it in China already. Yeah. It's already happening in China. They lock you down. You can't go within two clicks of your house without special permission. and, you know, in the midst of these wildly communist lockdowns that they still are imposing. And that's what triggers in my mind is like, yeah, there's this way they're going to know. But they already kind of have at least the precursors to all that to track people and to see what do you doing online and what do you like and what are you saying?

The last thing's money. When money, when they can track every purchase and cash is gone. Yep. Then they can control you so much quicker. We'll see what happened in Israel today? Was it yesterday or yesterday? No. They're capping out cash purchases anything.

You can't make any purchases over 4,400 in cash now. They're on their way to cashless society in Israel in all the places. Ryan, you're a biblical prophecy guy, and it's just like it feels like every page we turn. It's getting closer and closer. I mean, we're racing. We are racing to it. I don't sit a date, but I tell my wife, I'm like, you know, I'd just like to see, you know, the kids graduate. Maybe you can see my daughter get married.

and then it all starts. We need a blurry compound here in Middle Tennessee. Come on down. Some of us are stockpiling ammo, no big deal. I feel like, you know, with the CERN thing, it's always just more complicated. And I think that like what we're talking about

reminds me of CERN in the sense that on the surface appears like, well, this is just a scientific experiment that we're pulling off. On the surface, it feels like, oh, it's just a concert. on the surface it always just seems like this this and maybe sometimes it is maybe sometimes it is just a concert and that's the hardest part about this podcast is is everyone they start seeing symbolism in everything and you just go no not everything is how do you have that discernment how do you know like because some people go way down these rabbit holes and I think they're in a lot of the wrong rabbit holes because distracting every rock right that's a people who are living in a life where there's a devil in or there's a devil in an earth at every rock. And it's, yeah. And you got to balance it out. And that's the thing. You know, as someone, and I'm saying this to, I'm speaking to myself before I speak to everyone else who's

watching this right now because as someone who's been down so many rabbit holes, hours and researching and looking up everything about the Nephilim and all these things, you have to balance it with filling yourself with God's spirit, right? The only thing that's going to keep you grounded is spiritual discernment, right? God does give us vision through discernment to see and test spirits and understand these things. And so I think I compare it to how, you know, I speak to people about the news, right? Like, we have to balance, it's Christians. We have to be so careful about our time. Right. If we're spending more time, like, watching news than reading the Bible, that's, that's, that's going to be, it's going to affect our, it's going to affect our spirit every day, right?

And so it's the same thing. We can dig these things. And trust me, I encourage people to do it. I, I do it. So I've been doing it for years. There's nothing wrong with looking into blur of creatures, looking into the Nephilim and all this supernatural stuff. into ailing, into disclosure. There's nothing wrong with it. But at the same time, we have to give just time for the simple time spent in the word of God, studying the word of God, filling yourself with God's spirit. That's the only thing's going to keep us sharp, right?

It keeps us sharp. It will keep us on the right track and give us better discernment to know. Because I agree, sometimes a concert is just a concert. And sometimes it's not. So it's like, you know, but I think the only thing can keep us discerning is staying in the word of God daily, staying in prayer daily and balancing the research and all this stuff and the rabbit holes with filling yourself with God. Luke, that point you made too about the obedience, right, how that links to like the power and that and generating this kind of spiritual power,

right? It's the same. It goes, I think it goes both ways, right? And our obedience to God again, just like the singing and the worship, there's a power there. And so we have to give the divine power, the good power too be the good bad that's where i was going right well that's where i was kind of going right like if you if you if you love me then you know you obey my word if you if you they're too intrinsically connected right and so it has the antithesis has to be true just as like you know how do you fulfill the law love the lord of god with all your heart soul mind and spirit like so you are obeying the law of god in loving him that would mean the same thing on the other side and that's kind of maybe, I'm glad you articulated that because that's where my mind was. It just didn't come out

that way was that being obedient to the antichrist, to whatever it ends up being to this, it is the endocrats, but to this, to this entity is the same as worshiping. If, you know, what is it? Yeah, it amplifies, if amplifies his evil. Yes. Yes. Now, I love what you said to, Nate. Like, I love that, like, so this, like our show, right, we want to, I think the amazing thing about what we've kind of done here, Ryan, and having guests like yourself, and the people that we have on this show is it provides such a rich context for understanding our world

and also understanding the Bible. But I love what you're saying because I always want to bring it back to Jesus. It's easy to focus on all the crazy stuff and want to understand it. And I think we should want to understand it. We shouldn't put our heads in the sand. That is not the place for thinking followers of Christ.

But I love that like, and what we try to do, I think Nate and I really try to do this, is to bring it all back to Jesus. At the end, we want to point it all back to Jesus. right like all this stuff we want to we want to understand all the weird stuff we want to understand the weird stuff in the scripture the weird stuff that people are seeing in the world we want to understand all of this in a in a biblical paradigm because that's that's the foundation and in a biblical paradigm the foundation is it it all points back to jesus right and i think that's important i guess

the hope at the end of like all the darkness that we can talk about because it's important to talk about like you don't want to be clueless to all this stuff going on well that's why we dabble in like the book of Enoch and we dabble because we want to understand the story, want to understand what Christ came. And people just get so, I don't know, it's weird. They just get, especially when you start having a little bit more success and things start happening, you just get more and more and more naysayers and more trolls and more and more things that are like saying that there's some secret agenda.

But I do think that there is a healthy way to explore things like the book of Enoch and and these other things that give context to Jesus, I think. I mean, the whole book, Enoch one is like, it's all about Jesus, I think. It's just constantly talking about it, but that's a whole other rabbit hole. Sorry. Yeah, no, but it's a good point. It goes back to Coomran as well, like Dead Sea Scrolls, right? You know, the Book of Jubilee is something again, I'm, I've really never looked into it,

but now I am because again, it was, I think, the fourth or fifth most present scroll among the scrolls in terms of multiple copies. And so there was some, they had value clearly. including with all. It was like the Da Vinci Code of the day, right? Like the bestseller, a lot of them. Yeah, yeah, exactly, exactly. But I think that's what separates, you know, what we try to do here is not just get weird

for the sake of being weird. Yeah. But get weird for understanding, like, the bigger parts of the story. Like you said, you're interviewing people in the streets of New York. And the first thing that comes out of their mouth is, why this cataclysm? And they don't have any context to understand. And for me, it was just like, why? What is this hairy ape creeper?

you're doing in the woods. Like, how does that make sense? All these biblical stories that I know. And some people get into Bigfoot and they go, see, the Bible's fake. The Bible's not true because, look, we have things like Sasquatch and you don't, you know what I mean? That's how they interpret these things.

And I'm like, no, no, no, I think it's the exact opposite. Exactly. We got the lion-like men of Moab. Those guys. The lion face boys. Those guys would just say, oh, well, that's just people with like crazy hearts and like no fear. or whatever.

Yeah. It's not, it's not, it's not a physical anomaly that they have. Maybe they had no fear t-shirts. It's the 80s.

Another 80s throwback right here. Hey, let's go. That's big. That's all big. Yeah. Dude, I had like a whole fleet.

I mean, for like fifth grade. I got that. I got that one. Yeah. I love it, Ryan. I have to give my kids some dinner.

They're hungry. Thanks, man. Thanks for, thanks for coming on. I think, Ryan, I love this because, like, it was awesome to unpack your books,

but like, just to be able to sit and have a conversation and use it as a resource. I know you spend the time. We talk about experts in 10,000 hours, and that's why dummies like Nate and I do this is to bring smart people on the show and then try to open up their brains a little bit

to talk about the things that we should be talking about. And so, man, it was awesome to have you back, man. This was great. And I appreciate it. And frankly, a lot of what I've been doing the past few months, I've been on a break for a few weeks. This is the first thing I've done podcast show-wise

in a month. because I took it a lie off, but it's really about getting into anything supernatural, right? Because really, again, like you said, to your point, I'm researching a lot. I like exploring every part of the Bible that deals with the supernatural beyond just Nephlin, beyond just my books, and really making sure that for all the people who follow me or subscribe like that, I want to address whatever they want to know about. So I think it's good. I think this type of discussion is so important.

And one last thing I want to throw out there, because as you both of you spoke, it just came to my mind. So I just feel the spirit's moving to say it is that. that, you know, one of the saddest parts of the Bible when Jesus is weeping over Jerusalem, he says you did not know the time of your visitation. So prophecy, time, it meant everything. Jesus said basically, now you must, the whole Jerusalem was judged because they didn't know the time. So studying, he basically saying, you should have known prophecy. You should have known all these things already you didn't know. And so there's an important goal. It's helping our witness of Christ.

it's helping to defend the faith and it's also keeping our eyes on the second company of our savior that's a great cap because yeah it is it is not being surprised by the times right

and by what's coming I think that's so important and we know that people will be deceived in the end and so just like they were when when God incarnate came and walked among us in the person of Jesus so and we have this obsession

with knowing who our father was you know especially as men you know we want to know who our father was and you think prisons are full of men who didn't have a father I don't know their father absolutely and if you want to know your heavenly father I think it's it's a it's the same yearning and burning inside of you and maybe part of me thinks that they didn't know that they didn't really know who their father was they didn't know he was there they didn't know he showed up on the scene dad's here you know and they were confused because i mean jesus created that created all of us and

the more we get to know and i think the weird stuff if it gives you more context to know understand who your father is then great if it just gets you weird and paranoid then that's not a good thing and that's not what we want to do on this show. So but the weird stuff is welcome like we just did an episode on the black eyed kids and everyone was like

what are these things? I don't know we don't know but a lot of people tuned in because it's strange but they you know but I but I think ultimately like Luke said you know it just gives you more context of who your father is and so I just it's always good talking to you man I appreciate it and and thanks

for breaking your fast and coming on blurry creatures. I'm back. I'm back in business, no, absolutely. Tell everybody what you're up to, because I know that, like, one of the things you're doing is sort of impromptu off-the-cuff conversations like this on your Facebook page. But, of course, you have Amazon number ones and judgment nephalum and the final nephalum.

What's Brian Peterson up to these days? Now that he's back from a little sabbatical. Yeah, yeah, back from my hiatus. Had a good time, vacationing with the family. But, yeah, so I will be resuming next week. week Thursday Night Theology, which is you can find on my Facebook, my YouTube channels where, again, I take questions from readers during the week. It can be on anything pertaining to supernatural on the Bible. And I apply my research and I come and just give my kind of dig into it, do some

research during the week and kind of go to work for my audience. And it's great. We got questions all, like we did CERN. We've done Leviathan. We've done mystery Babylon. We've done aliens. We've done a lot of stuff. But somehow we keep getting good questions every week. So that's what I've and doing that so that resumes next week. I'm finishing up the audio book on the final Nephilim now, so I'll be back in the studio on Saturday, wrapping that up. And I'm actually filming another.

So I do documentaries. I'm doing my third documentary. So I have two documentaries I've produced already. I'm doing the third one. You know, I spoke in Colorado in May at a prophecy conference, and I did a segment all about TV shows, movies, and books targeted at teens that deal with the Nephilim. And I showed some crazy.

stuff that people, I mean, people's jaws dropped. I mean, I rarely hype up my, my presentations, but people were stunned. They had no idea what was out there, that there were so many shows that talk about the Nephlin and define them. You know, I showed scenes where people are saying, yeah, it's a Nephlem. It's the hybrid angel. It's a half human, half angelic being. And there's, and movies that point to Nephlem as being the Antichrist and the heroes and how they're, all these shows in pop culture and books are twisting the account of Genesis 6. program to make the neflum the heroes that these are these are great love stories and god is basically the villain and so i'm actually so it got such a crazy reaction that i'm actually doing a full-fledged

documentary on it to like really expose all the stuff that's out there that's really targeting teens pre-teens adolescence um so i'm so that that'll be when that drops come on back we'll do absolutely yeah yeah yeah that is something we we touch on because we're i mean listen like everything we do is sort of 80s movies or 80s stuff right but i mean there's a reason we talked about tv stuff at the top there's channeling and programming right channels and programming and i think yeah we'd love to have you back for that but well we've heard it all man from from from cartoons to video games and people love sending us anything related to the nofflemy oh yeah like the eternal video games too yeah there's a whole uh the dante is inferno par five yeah

Mario car Yeah Mario car It's really when The second level of Mario The original Mario When he goes down the portal He goes down the pipe

Into the underground Into the underworld Hey, here we go We knew We knew what they were trying to tell us, right? The pipe to the underworld Well, thanks for coming on, Ryan Talking about CERN and portals

And the River Jordan And Dead Sea Scrolls And all sorts of awesome stuff I mean, I could talk about the stuff The rest of my life And I love it, it's fun Sure. Yeah, fellas, I appreciate it.

Again, thank you for having me on. I'm excited. This is a phenomenal program. Congrats again on all your success. And anytime you want me back, I'm in the building. No question. Let's go. Let's go.

Thanks, Ryan. Yeah, and when that dot drops, for sure, we'll get you back on. Absolutely. Unrap all that. Cool. Thanks, brother. See, me. See you.