Blurry Creatures - EP: 142 Titan & The Teenagers

Episode Date: December 7, 2022

Kevin grew up in a strange part of eastern Indiana.  Like most kids, he was curious and loved to explore the undeveloped areas around his house. When the local news began reporting about a body found under a bridge in the area, he and a friend wanted to investigate further. One fateful afternoon, the teenagers set off into the woods and what happened next is something straight out of a movie. Kevin and his friend Mike have a wild encounter with a creature that has only been rumored to have been seen in most remote parts of the world. This riveting encounter may change the way you think about the remnants of an ancient evil that still might be out there... contact: [e-mail] blurrycreatures.com Socials instagram.com/blurrycreatures facebook.com/blurrycreatures twitter.com/blurrycreatures Music Kyle Monroe: tinytaperoom.com Aaron Green: https://www.instagram.com/aaronkgreen/ Mastering: ironwingstudios.com Outro Song: TimeCop1983: timecop1983.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Luke so often, people email us and they have this story. They're out in their woods and they're looking in the bushes. what's that? And when you are pouring your dog food and your dog's bowl, that's the last thing you want to say. What is that? What is the stuff coming out of this bag? You know, I don't think a lot of us think about maybe what we feed our dogs. And that's why we partner with rough greens. Most of us would love to have our dogs, you know, live as long as possible. I mean, I just lost my dog in December. And I would have just, I would have loved more time with Carl. And one of the things you can do to get more time with your dog is to feed them better. Dog owners don't usually realize that live nutrients, that their dog is, needs to thrive or missing from the food. You just talked about. What is that, right? That's where Rough Green comes in. It's America's number one dog supplement that you sprinkle on top of their food. It's packed with prebiotics, enzymes, omega oils, and 20 live vitamins and mineral support digestion, energy and overall health from the inside out. It's all natural made in the USA and thousands of dogs are feeling younger, more energetic and healthier than they have in years. That's why we love it.

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So he's now upside down, right? Imagine yourself trying to pull that off on telephone pole. And he's like, and then just boom, boom. boom boom boom in the like the branches are snapping off and he's coming straight down and Matt's like go go go and we just start running and running and I heard like that and I like just kind of like felt like like the earth shift and I look back and he was on the ground coming at us in all fours coming at us in all four the history of our earth is so different from what we can imagine.

The Smithsonian, that if they found out about a large skeleton somewhere, was to go get it. I'm going to assume at least one person is right, because if one person's right, it's right to bust the paradigm. It all goes back to the fallen church. And the problem with the modern day church, they have a very truncated view of the supernatural. This backdrop that's just pregnant with all kinds of meaning associated with this Mount Herman event. And this guy.

defects from the kingdom. That's a big deal. All right, welcome back to blurry creatures. Today we got a great one for you. We have one of these episodes that I've been in the back of my mind thinking one of these days, maybe somebody, maybe somebody will have seen the elusive giants that we talk about on our show all the time. We know Giants of Candahar and we're trying to get people who written books about the Giants in Solomon Island. Interviewed Dark Waters talking about giants in the bayou. but has anyone ever seen one of these things in the wild, live outside in the backyard or up in a tree or around a forest? Open out your backyard, but yeah, like somewhere far away from your home.

Some people live in some weird places. Yeah, absolutely. So people's backyard. Hey, listen, if Duke's seen Bigfoot rolling in some rocks and make armor, somebody's seen a giant. That's right. And we got it. We got one. We got one.

We got one. And we've been emailing our friend Kevin for a while. This isn't just something that I think you and I are. just itching at the bit, bring the first person on who's... Right. We emailed a long time because I think it's a pretty bold claim, right? You're seeing something that a lot of people say was just something that Joshua and Caleb dealt with. And these things aren't around.

Or David, you know. But we've had a lot of episodes, you know, where people saying these are, this is involved in trafficking humans, right? Brooke was talking about that. People are dealing with this stuff. And then, I don't know, man. it's it's not like bigfoot stories it's a little more it's a little more elusive it is it's a little more blurry and Kevin Kevin actually wasn't alone when he saw this so that it's not the curse of going to the golf course and in a hole in one by yourself and everybody not believing you this he has someone

there and so we have two witnesses to to this story and we're excited to get into this this is a you know a very rare phenomena and you know I think Kevin's got a great story to tell him and it's worth listening to that there are things out there. Like Dark Waters would say, like there are, there are things that are appearing and things that are showing up in our day that people haven't seen. He would say the gates of hell have opened up and things are coming out and he's hearing stories about things that have been seen. This is one of those things that has been seen, but isn't often seen. And it's so rare that it's worth taking a deep dive. So what's going to do, Nate? Yeah, so we're going to go to Blurry Ground Zero, the Ohio Valley and talk to our friend,

Kevin about something he saw when he was 15 years old that sort of sort of stuck with him and then years later he was able to process it and it's kind of cool man we we have this interview we're interviewing l.A. Marzuli tomorrow who is infamous for talking about the candahar giant right and uh so the uh the view of the supernatural is it's truncated it's right it's very truncated it's just fun how this show things line up the stories are told the way it's supposed to told the guys come on and continue to take the weirdness down the trail a little bit further. But if you want to become a member of blurry creatures and support us, you go to blurrycreatures.com slash members, become a member of the show.

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You're now entering the blurry verse. Or the bones. Oh. Okay. Hey, so this conversation with Kevin started organic. And normally we start the podcast of a very specific question. We try to get into the details of the story. But we were kind of talking about his, you know, just his life and how he

got from California to Ohio and then took this job and was driving around, listening to podcast, and episodes with a lot of our friends, kind of was trying to put it out there, like, hey, I think I had this experience. He put it out to some of our buddies. And for some reason, it sounds like, you know, his story, this was supposed to happen on our podcast. This is where the story should be told. So instead of making you sit through 25, 30 minutes of that's, you know, just us rambling

and kind of getting familiar with Kevin's story. I think we should just start it here where, you know, him and his friend had this encounter when they were kids, and they were out of wedding years later. And he's telling us how this story kind of was refreshed in his mind and was something he was finally willing to accept as an adult. So we're going to pick it up from there, and then you can kind of hear Kevin's just backstory, story and then we really get into a very detailed encounter. So I think this is a good place to start right around here. What was really interesting is about a year ago, a good friend of ours did get

married, and we all kind of congregated and came back. And we were sitting around a hotel room after, you know, having been out. And he was like, man, you remember? And I was like, dude, I, yeah, come on. And my wife was like, yeah, you know, let's hear it. And I just, I couldn't believe how after all this time, especially after adult beverages and all this travel and sitting in a hotel room, I mean, it was just like tit for tat. I mean,

and it felt incredible that like, my whole recollection of that whole situation, I mean, Matt just had it recalled because sometimes when something so profound happens to you, every single second gets etched into you. Like, you don't, you don't drop any of those details.

sights smell you know windage i mean it's it's all there because it's it's like your senses get so heightened because your life depends on it that you just become kind of the hunter and the hunted you know and you just know like okay um i i need to depend on everything that i have in my physical wherewithal my mental to like figure out how to not die yeah And so we both experience that pretty heavily. You're saying like you had some time break and he's telling the story and you're sitting back and going, do I remember this accurately? Do I remember this the way that it actually happened and went down? And then your mind's telling you, well, yeah, of course, because it's in this traumatic situation, you're going to be logging down every second like a novel.

And I want to say that. But his story matches yours. Yeah. You say like to a tea, right? Yeah, it's just totally mapped right on to it. And I was a little bit nervous because, you know, we're just chilling in this hotel room, a bunch of people getting ready for the wedding the next day. And my wife's like, so let's, you know, let's let's let's tell your story.

Yeah, let's see if Kevin's story checks out. And Matt's kind of like, you know, I don't really want to, you know, get into it. But I guess, you know, let's let's hash it out a little bit. I just, and I was a little nervous to kind of hear that he might remember something different or whatever, but I mean, it just was like, it was so dialed in. And I just was like, wow, yeah, what on God's earth was that? Just so unbelievable. And so, like, I can kind of preface this, that, like, Northwest Indiana, where I'm from, we're just far enough outside of Chicago that, like, the power grid kind of ends and then woods kick in. And there's, like, woods and rivers and things like that.

But if you, like, when you fly over Chicago and you look like literally where the lights run out going south down Indiana, that's about where we live. We live right on that fringe. And so there's a lot of odd things that have always occurred. Spirits, ghosts, demons, et cetera, have always just sort of been the culture. Like when you were a little kid, you'd go to somebody's house. And I just always thought this was a norm, right? I mean, you grow up somewhere and you just kind of think it's normal. But you'd spend somewhere at some kids' house.

And I mean, it was like fairly normal for him to just be like, hey, you know, like, if you're going to go to the bathroom, just like, don't go upstairs and go unless somebody goes with you. Because like, you know, there's, there's, we have something upstairs. Weird. You know, and as a matter of fact, like, we're going to sleep downstairs. Like, it's not good to sleep upstairs. You know, like, oh, and then you'd be like, oh, okay, cool. You know. That's gnarly, dude.

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is something they sort of stopped me in my tracks years ago. You know, growing up in the church, I was listening to Bigfoot stories for a long time. And then it was like one episode, I think it was on Sasquatch Chronicles, they were talking about mountain giants. And so I think from like a cryptid, like the cryptid community,

they look at these encounters as like mountain giants. Like there's still this remnant of these not Sasquatch creatures out there. They come out and there's been several encounters, but it's really, really hard to get anyone to talk about it because they're not as obviously, they don't happen as often as a Sasquatch encounter, which is probably the most, you know, I mean, you'd be surprised how many people have had a Sasquatch encounter.

As weird as it is, a lot of people had it. But I remember being like, this is something different. And then there's Christians who are in the fringe space who understand what these are, right? These are the remnants of the mound builders. They're the giants. They come from, you know, they're in the Old Testament. they understand they're the nephalum right or the descendants of the nephalum and so it's like everyone's

talking about the same thing but that really unlocked my mind to start blurry creatures was like whoa not only is bigfoot out there but there's these giants from the old testament that people are seeing and having encounters with but i would say they're super rare so your story i've been waiting for it to be honest with you since we started the show like i'm like somebody's seen one of these things because it sounds terrifying the ones that i the one story that stuck with me was a guy that They were like camping and they saw this 15 foot tall thing in the lightning storm. And it was like throwing stuff out there. And it was like not Sasquatch.

No. And so my mind was ready for whatever this thing is. And so I just take us back, take us through everything. I didn't mean to interrupt, but I just wanted to say that I think this is when my mind switched when I was listening to podcast. Like, okay, we're so much more out there than just Bigfoot. And then then it was like the biblical, the theologians were coming on shows. And I was like, I'm ready. I'm ready for the weird and it made sense.

So take us back. You're into Indiana. Yeah. Yeah. Is that where it happens? I've prayed over this too that I would be guided to kind of say this all correctly because it's, I feel like it's a testimony that needs to be heard. and I know it sounds extreme and very, very fantastic,

but we're at a point in this day in time 2022 where evil's going for broke. And I mean, it's a long game. And my instincts tell me that, you know, these greater evil forces are well aware or probably more aware of what's about to happen here. And so they're just trying to harvest as much as they can because, I mean, Christ is going to come through and swoop and they're going to be all at a loss. And so they're just going for broke. They're like cornered snakes. But what's so profound to me is, I mean, I'm 42. This happened when I was 15. And so with how evident what happened to me was, I mean, it just shows you their long game. They've been driving the field and just making small pass and small pass and getting first down, just a little one's over and over and over.

And, you know, they've been working on it. And they've been working on this stuff. And we know they have. You got secret societies and everything been going on for quite some time. But yeah, so, you know, being in Indiana, just put in the backdrop of our area, there was always a lot of satanic activity. You know, we were told to not go too far into the woods. If you did, you would find things.

You would find areas where people had congregated recently. you would see things that you probably shouldn't see as far as, you know, mutilated animals and things were concerned. And the notion we had parents that were pretty forthright with us and they would say, like, look, okay, they're Satan worshippers, they're doing their rituals. They can't do it in Chicago. They're mainly from Chicago. They can't do it. They need the space. They need to be connected in nature. They need to like have raging fires and do their whole, you know, ceremony, their congregation, and so they come out by us to do it. And, you know, okay, some more fact in the matter.

I mean, it's just what it is. And it was kind of real talk. And I could go on and on with stories that back that kind of thing up for sure. I mean, it goes on and on. It's sort of the norm for our area. But it was like, well, this is going on. It's better to be real with the kids about it and stay away. So one day when we were in high school, there was all this chatter.

you got to school and there was kind of all this chatter. And even though we're very close to Chicago, we're Hanover Township and we had a tiny or high school than all the other schools around us. And yet our area was on the news. And it was my bus route. And everybody was talking about how there was this girl that was discovered underneath a bridge.

And she was extremely roughed up. And she was dead. And she was last seen at a bar. north of us about 45 minutes and that was the end of it and now here she is under this bridge naked and just beat like in the way they were describing it and so sort of think about that area and it was like wow okay well that's at the there there's a bridge so it it's a river that runs north and south it's called west creek but everybody calls it west crick and there's a bridge that goes over it, and this body was found underneath this bridge.

Well, going south on that river, it's kind of farmland and woods and so on and so forth. And, you know, I could always show you all this stuff on Google Maps, but going north into it, there's like a big gate there. There was always a big gate. And our bus would periodically go back that way as kind of a shortcut, but it's a weird place to go. you know normally they kind of stick to more of the country roads but it's it's just it's tucked back and there were two there were two guys that lived back there who were on our bus but they always got dropped off last there are a whole other story i think i mentioned them they were like

heavy metal dudes but not like we just like metallica it was more like we like you know de aside and these other very extreme blatant satanic sort of bands and they were brothers and they lived they lived back there they lived literally adjacent to that bridge where that girls found underneath it and then going north into that was that blocked off area that was known as arrowhead and arrowhead was is is known as um kind of a sacred native american grounds and it was just don't go back in there well there was some other kids that went to our high school who lived in this other neighborhood called Hanover Hills and they went back in there and they found and i was friends with him they found something so terrible that i mean i really don't like to talk

about it but i think it's relevant to what we're discussing and in probably is only physically achievable by what we're discussing was um they found a black lab that was turned inside out by a tool that was like a long rod that had like three backwards situated hooks and so it went up through the dog from the back and out its mouth and then something would have put its hand on it and pulled the whole dog inside out and they found that And they called the police and it was a big to-do. And they found that by going back in Arrowhead when they were told not to. I mean, there's a reputation to not go there.

And so just so happens at the south part of that area where that creek comes out of there and there's a bridge there was that girl. And odd place for her to be for sure. And so the buzz was going around and, you know, high school and all the kids are like, wow, we're on the news, while we're on the news. It wasn't for a good reason. Nobody had ever heard of our town until now suddenly, you know, somebody found this body underneath there. And they identified the girl and they were like, yeah, you know, she kind of lived hard and fast and hung out with, you know, people in our area.

Our area is called the region. It's the northwest region of Indiana, but it's essentially Chicago. Even though it's Indiana, it's Chicago by way of music, radio, stations, television stations. I mean, you wouldn't know actual Indiana access. I mean, I probably didn't even go to Indianapolis until I was like down at Indiana University, which is where I went. People were like, well, hang out in Indian.

I'm like, what for it? Let's go to Chicago. But, you know, it's, they call it the region. And my town in specific was back in the 20s a place where people from Chicago would go have a lake house. And, you know, so it was a bunch of cottages and so on and so forth. And over time, those houses weren't large enough to really house anybody legitimately, except for those who were poor enough and needed a place to live. So over time, they stopped being vacation homes and started being a place to kind of like talk people

who were on government assistance. And then once that got bad enough, in the 80s, a biker gang called the invaders nonetheless came in and basically took over that town and they were like a big biker gang from believe chicago and they just said hey there was a little town we can go exploit it we can go take it over and i was born in 1980 and so that's what it always was it was nothing but bikers everywhere partying going wild fighting smashing bottles riding motorcycles all night long and it's just a wild place. And also extremely, extremely Caucasian, tiny little pocket of an area where you knew what their attitudes were towards other demographics for sure. So that just kind of adds more to it. And so now, you know, we have this body and these people on the news are saying like, well, you know,

she was getting mixed up in motorcycle gangs and so on and so forth. But then you were hearing some other things where they were just like, humans didn't like do this to the. this girl like she something happened to her and so i was thinking like something's doing this you know it was just like what is it like is it magic is it is it like a group or a congregation people like and in my my imagination had none of this giant nephilum anything you know nothing i just and i was thinking like how in the heck did that happen to that dog like the physicality like those those kind of things and so like some good 15 year olds were like yeah, man, let's go out there and check it out.

And so I just remember that day, fairly warm, and Matt and I lived in the same neighborhood. And our parents, we would get dropped off from the bus probably 2.45, 3 p.m. and then our parents wouldn't get home from work until 5.30, right? So that's plenty of time to catch a buzz and sober up from it by the time they come home or do anything else that we felt like doing, go for long walk, have people over, blast music, whatever. But so long as the house was cleaned by the time our parents rolled in, they didn't know, they were none of the wiser. We were fine. You know, that's kind of how we played it.

And so we're like, all right, you know, let's, let's walk back there. Let's see what's going on. Well, at the north end of our neighborhood was always this place called the dirt road, you know, so keenly named. And it was, it was like an access road that went north up into these fields. And that was essentially where, like, the older kids would go to be bad. You know, you'd go there and smoke or somebody would steal a beer from their dad or a bottle or whatever. Or, you know, they may have like a playboy and everybody would hang out and look at the playboy. It was just a place to do bad stuff and kind of get away with it. Spray paint, you know, shoot guns that you took.

It's just kind of rough house and or fight, you know, like if you want to fight somebody, you know, you can meet back there. and get it going. And so that's, that was kind of where you would, you would enter it. And nobody went too much further deep into it because it's not exactly like the easiest walking. I mean, it's a mix of agriculture and woods and some streams and stuff like that. And so, you know, we, we knew, I think, well enough about the area that we could get in through that dirt road area and then try and just do like a, a northeast for a while and find our way back to that bridge. And I don't even really know what was compelling us in hindsight because why we're not going to see a dead body it's not like they left it there for all to see yeah it's just but we just we just were i mean we were just

going and it and it felt it felt like we're we're just being like lured or something so matt and i are walking and i mean we're we're alternative kids you know like we liked we liked you know Nirvana and Pearl Jam stuff. And we had our long hair and our shorts and we were wearing vans, you know, with no socks. And, you know, we were just being as cool as it could get, but not caring either. Right. Yeah. Silly punk rock.

Yeah. Exactly. And so, you know, and we loved it too, man, because smashing pumpkins was from Chicago. We were real proud of them. You know, you could sneak into Chicago and go check out a pumpkin show and nobody ever even know you were gone because they were playing there often enough. Like, they hadn't even come out with Siamese. dream and you could get out there and check things out.

Wow. And so, you know, it was a cool time. I mean, we felt pretty honored. So Matt and I, you know, we're walking back through there. And I just remember it becoming difficult to travel at a speed that was going to allow us to pull this off. This episode is brought to you by Redfin. You're listening to a podcast, which means you're probably multitasking, maybe even scrolling

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here and just walk on this like tilled ground and stop with this like climbing over this stuff. And it was like unkempt land that we were walking on for the most part. So we step over the step over the fence and you just hear and we're like, what? And after that, like, puffs of smoke. And you're hearing like bullets zipping past us.

I'm like, what? And I look north and over at the edge of the farm, there's a guy standing back there and I see like the glint of his rifle barrel and he's just straight up firing at us. I want to like, so we're just,

the second we got on to his, it's like he was waiting it's like he was casing us I don't even know what it was but he just started firing on us I know where that farm is to this day you should go back there and ask him yeah you should be like hey pal yeah good thing you're not a good shot

you remember 1995 look who's back but and so scary though yeah I know it's like very bizarre I never really been shot at before and the bolts were zipping right past

and I mean he must have been And I give him, I mean, I shoot. I probably give him about 400 yards. And I mean, you can make a mistake. With how close those bolts were coming to us, I think he was shooting at us. Because to shoot left or right in us enough, I mean, you can screw up. And actually, you could hit us. Yeah, like the dude, like he was trying to.

That's a long shot. A match shoot as well. That's, you'd have to, he's probably trying to hit you. I think it was trying to hit us. And I think that if one of us fell or both of us, us, he could just ride his tractor back there, grab us, throw us in a hole, never saw him again. Pretty simple. Yeah, pretty simple.

So, I mean, our first instinct was like, well, let's get off this guy's land. And so we jumped back over the fence, and the second we got over the fence, they stopped. It's like, okay. So this is the South Chicago region where they purport that the glacier kind of came south and created the Great Lakes. that south end of Lake Michigan, that's all marshland. And that's, that's like birds and it's very flat. I mean, it's basically just waterfall and marsh and so on and so forth.

So, you know, we don't have a lot of like the larger stuff, you know, deer, let's just say, for instance. So, you know, now that I'm Ohio, everybody's hunting deer left right. And I mean, the big beasts are all over the place and everybody's like, you know, I doing each other with their 37 point freak and stuff. But like, we didn't, we didn't have that. The reason I bring it up is because we were walking, I would say just straight due east at this point. And I look up at the top of this hill. There was kind of a hill there in this field.

And there was two deer there. Huge, huge antlers. And there was like more to these, first of all, because, I mean, I know whitetail now. I do hunt them. And that's not what they were. There were different. And what's even more profound is there was two of them. I felt super intimidated because if they wanted to charge us, they could have cleared us out pretty easily.

And I noticed that the way that they were standing was as if there was a field or dimensional sort of pivot between them. And the way that they would move, they would mirror each other. I don't know how else to describe it. and they were extremely stout and had like you could see the striations in their muscles. But when they was like a reflection, Kevin? Was it like a- So if you're looking at the one on the right, like if the one on the right like moved his head left, the one on the left would move his head right.

And so they would move in like this strange complimentary fashion. Interesting. And Matt and I just froze. I mean, first of all, they're at the top of the hill. They're huge in their tower. And I just, I didn't know what to do. And I was like, well, we got to keep going. And I don't really feel comfortable out here.

And I remember I just, I just went like, like that and tried to make like a sound to scare them. And they both like looked up and looked at us. And then they looped around each other in this strange spiral fashion as if they were like tethered by some sort of strange symmetrical force. I'm telling you, they moved in the same exact steps. right and they were just kind of opposite i can't i can't describe it to each other and then they just took off over the hill and matt and i were just like like it kind of made us feel weird like kind of

sick i was like what the hell though like did you see how they were moving and also we never see dealer here and so and so forth like this is just like this is bizarre and we had to go over that hill and so when we got to the top of the hill we kind of paused because i was worried about those things i was worried about how they were moving it felt very odd I mean, never seen anything like that before. And I was hoping that they really wouldn't be there because I didn't really want to challenge their ground either because, I mean, again, we're just 15-year-old try 120-pound kids. There's nothing to do if these things get spooked by us or whatever. Plus, they feel supernatural.

So it kind of got to the top of the hill, and we were trying to keep an eye out for those, and they just seemed to be gone. but what was in sight was the bridge, you know, and I was like, wow, dude, I feel like we made it. And so we walked down to the bottom of this hill and we step over that same fence, but now it's, you know, that farmer on that north end, he's, his, his land has run out. And so, you know, we kind of felt comfortable stepping back over. You really couldn't see his farm anymore either. And so we step back over and we're kind of walking down this like really elongated slope. And at the edge of the slope. And man, I could show you guys all this stuff from Google Maps if you ever want to just hop on and we can like screen share or something. I can show you exactly where all this stuff is.

And so we stepped in this. This is where everything goes absolutely wild. We're at the, we're at the edge of the plot. and that was grass. And then we come to the edge of the grass and then the very next plot. Think of like a parcel of land that's probably a half a mile north-south

by about maybe 600 feet east and west. And we're at like the south-west corner of that. And so we start to kind of walk out into it because the top of it's kind of like hard looking like it's drier it's cracked a little bit so you thought you could walk on it but we started to take a couple steps out onto it and it and it goes and like the the top layers of it we just kind of dropped you know maybe like 18 inches and i'm thinking oh damn man my vans you know got these these sweet purple swayed vans man talk my dad in to getting me these things and

And of course, I'm not even lacing them either because you got to look cool. That's right. Out in the middle of a cornfield, you got to look extremely. You got to look cool. Don't you dare lace those babies, man. So what does that? What was some cute chicks show up in the middle of this? And I got tied shoelaces.

This is going to be terrible. And so I'm stepping and then I'm starting like kind of like falling. And I step forward and I step out of my shoe. my shoes stuck in the old hole I stepped forward my foot goes way down in the next one I'm like oh man and Matt was kind of like trying to do his own sort of way he was probably about 30 feet south of me trying to do his own thing and I was like dude dude and I remember he looks back in me and he's got this like really exasperated look on his face because he's kind of going through the same thing with this mud

It was really sticky, though. It was like the suction of your foot going down in there. It was hard to get your leg back out. And so the next thing is like, I just remember looking over at Matt and he looks back in me and I look up into the tree and these trees were probably 80 feet. And they have very long trunks. I don't know what type they were. They weren't like an oak or anything.

They were primarily pretty skinny going way up. tall, lots of branches on them. And at the top was this enormous human figure. And he kind of had like, imagine if like you walked up to like a telephone pole and you like put your arms around it and hugged it and then held your body up and then wrapped your legs around it and tried to like hang on it that way. That's what he was doing. And he was at the top of it. And he was shifting his weight back and forth like this. And it looked like he was having fun, actually. I think we kind of like caught him.

And he didn't really know we were there, I don't think, just yet. Because it kind of just looked like he was having a blast with his size and just having a good time up in the tree. And he was making this tree move so far left and right that the adjacent trees were just snapping and branches were flying off everywhere. and leaves were just like flying absolutely everywhere. And I just remember it becoming like extremely difficult to breathe. And it's, I don't think it was my confusion because I wasn't really, I wasn't confused.

Like I remember everything, but it just was hard to breathe. And then I remember looking at Matt and I pointed and Matt looked back at me. And then he looked up there and he looked back at me and I remember he just like looked at me with a look on his face. Matt's an awesome good man and I mean he can take care of himself and always has great fighter, great boxer everything. I never seen a look on anybody's face like that and not out of him either. He looked at me and it was like the most desperate, what the fuck. I'm a Christian, but I got to say it because that was the way it was that I'd ever seen. And when he said that, this thing stopped and the tree stopped.

and the tree stopped and it was at the top and I looked at it. And the way I can describe this to you was totally humanoid, extreme physique, extreme muscles, you know, like luferignal level or something. I know it's an old school reference, Arnold in his day, but just also elongated in certain ways, not like particularly human in proportion, maybe like a longer, like definitely broader shoulders,

wider shoulders than most guys, almost everybody. Proportions are all very, and then this like very large jowls with still human in appearance. And in a way that like, it was beautiful too. You know,

like he was like, he was a stud for sure. Like this dude does what he wants. What's he wearing? So what he was wearing was the way that I could most thoroughly describe it as like, you know the culture, I believe they're from India. They're called the steaks. And so like they, you know, white desert linens that will keep them cool in the desert.

And so whereas they will typically have like a head wrap, he was kind of wearing everything like they would wear enormous clothes. And you could hear these white clothes like flapping in the wind when he stopped. Like you could hear, because it was also now getting windy. Sun was going down. He had like chains, gold chains. You could kind of, and all this was so huge. He was far enough away, but he was so huge.

You could see this stuff. Like Kevin, how big you think he, you're talking about 80 foot trees. Okay. So if you got an 80 foot tree and you turn that into four pieces, right? So you got 20 foot segments. He was up at the top segment. So he would call it a 20 feet and he was taking up more than that. So he was probably, my mind has always said 14 feet.

It's still like he's dressed like a genie. I think like he's wearing chains and just like a seek. Yeah, yeah. I'm not trying to make a joke. No, no, no, I get that a lot. There was definitely a whole middle, Middle Eastern Arabic flair to what he was wearing. But there was no headdress.

Like on his head, he had this like black long hair that's kind of loud and crazy. also like iridescent in the way. Like red? No, black. Like, like, like a red tint to it. Purple, like a purpleish, like a like a purple iridescence to this like jet black long curly hair. And you remember that movie Cape Fear with like the De Niro version?

Remember how De Niro kind of had that hair? He was that like murderous fella and he played in that movie. That's what that hair on this thing reminded me of. It was just kind of like an unkempt kind of like a long. longer hair and I mean it and just the muscles and the veins in the hands and everything and he saw us and because Matt yelled to me like what are we looking at and this thing started the laugh he thought it was the funniest thing how scared we were in this laugh had a sonic power to it that made you feel like you were the most insignificant, little worthless, shameful

aunt that you could be. Like all your confidence, everything you ever knew was kind of like stripped from you with this, with the way that this thing was laughing. It was like this like, like, like that. I mean, it was just, it was so bad. And I was like, okay. I remember I turn around or reach down into this thing to get my van. And Matt was like, dude, he's coming, he's coming.

And I turn around. And in the most like agile fashion, he just completely inverts himself in the tree. And his feet were able to kind of grab onto this trunk in a way that he could be upside down easily. So he's now upside down, right? Imagine yourself trying to pull that off on telephone pole. And he's like, and then just boom, boom, boom, boom. And the branches are snapping off. And he's coming straight down.

And Matt's like, go, go, go. And we just start running and running. And I heard like that. And I like just kind of like felt like like the earth shift. And I look back and he was on the ground coming at us in all fours. and the way that he got down from the top of the tree to the ground, like he could have jumped down or anything. I'm not even sure why he just pulled this inverse method.

It was wicked. It was chilling. He got down so quick that I knew we were done. And so we're running with everything we've got and we're covered in mud. And I for, I lost my shoes. So I'm running barefooted. Running as hard as I possibly can. Matt's right next to me.

Matt was always like literally one of the fastest kids in our grade too. And I was like, well, I know if I can keep up with him that we will have gotten out of here as fast as we can. And so I was keeping up with him. And I'm like, we're running as hard as we can. I'm like, why are we not dead yet? And then I prayed. I was like, Lord, like, what is happening to us? Like, what is going on?

And I remember this this notion It wasn't in English or anything It was just this notion that said something to the tune of like Just keep running don't worry about it I've sent an angel to handle this just keep running That was like that was a download from Christ Like I've had a couple of those and it makes you want to cry When you get them because it's so perfect

And that's that's what it was only had maybe two or three of those in different circumstances, you know, but that's what that was that day. And just the fire in my lungs and the blood in my feet and toenails missing and got all the way back to my yard. I mapped it out the other day actually in anticipation of like, you know, needing to know some details. Google Maps has a measuring tool on there. So I measured what I thought was the exact route. And it was it was a mile. It was a mile.

It was slow going to get out there. but man, we got back and got all the way back to my yard. And my dad would have been home. My dad's the man, you know, he'll take care of it. And so we got back to my yard and fell down, passed out, woke up, looked at each other. And that was it. I'm still alive, obviously. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah. And that was it. And so buried it for many, many years. You know, you couldn't tell this other kids to high school. You couldn't tell those kids in college. It wasn't really anything to bring up. And in a long time went on. And it wasn't until this talk of like a nephilum infiltration on our society now

started to build. And I put it together. And listen to many, many different accounts of, you know, Bigfoot, and Sasquatches and so on and so forth. I have to distinguish this every which way from Tuesday from any of these other things because this was a perfect thing. Like it was beautiful. It was strong.

It was also evil. It also had the ability to manipulate its environment. Like sonically, it was manipulating how you could breathe. This is something that I used the word Nephilim. I've heard Raphaine, maybe, things like that. I think that he comes into our world

through Arrowhead. I think that's probably why that place has its reputation. It's not listed on Google Maps anymore. It doesn't say Arrowhead on there anymore. Wow. It stopped a couple years ago. I was like, well, interesting.

Because you don't usually give the Native Americans credit and then take it away. You know, like they have the reservation and that's theirs forever. This seems to have gotten dropped. What's interesting is if you can kind of look at on Google Maps up through the pathways, there's a giant, I mean, we're talking marshland, everything's primarily sand and fields. This is a giant, giant stack of boulders in there. My suspicion is,

there's a mound there? Well, it's pretty flat. You know, I mean, there are some rolling hills there for, you know, whatever that's worth as far as Northwest Indiana, because it's kind of a flat area. This is just an immense stack of what looks like boulders. I mean, I'm not going to go back in there. You know, next time I go visit my mom or anything, because I don't need to get away with something twice. But this is where I, you know, you ask for wisdom. And something in my instincts tells me that the people of that area, and they're also strange, man, the people of that particular area. They're very quiet. They're very withdrawn. I think they are in on this particular sort of knowledge. I think that that might be either like a pocket dimension or something or maybe

a cave or something that goes underground. And to me, it sticks out like a sore thumb to just have such an enormous mound of boulders there. I think somebody probably filled it up. You know, like an excavator or something was like we can't we can't have this like let's let's just fill this up this thing can stay underground or whatever because i feel like it was like it was out having fun when we caught it in a way i mean it looked like he was just minding his own business and enjoying himself but he's so ancient and so powerful and so magnificent it was just able to afflict the whole environment yeah what do you think the significance was of the deer in that space along with the you know coming up that hill and then having that experience i think that they were probably of his his presence

his sort of like ancient ancient presence right like wherever wherever he's able to come out of and go into i think maybe that sort of fauna is able to maybe kind of move with him was do you think it was like megafauna like there was there was bigger than they're supposed to yeah oh yeah no they're yeah they were they were ridiculous Well, as a side note, people back in that area, they raise exotic animals, you know, like for sport. They're the people who want to live off the grid, but also have like elk and ostrich and things like that. Right, right. You know, and it was always kind of fun to ride your car back there with your parents and, like, look out the window and see if you can just see, like, a yak, you know?

Or zebra or something. Yeah, no, they would have zebra, things like that back there. But these were, these were just more than that, you know. these were just something like so superior and they they had that same sort of iridescence that like his hair had and stuff like that It's strange it almost sounds it almost sounds like something dimensional was happening and and like we haven't got into a ton in in our show Nate But like there's this idea of thin places too where The veil has as thin and there's this interaction between the physical we talk about us in the show all the time Kevin like that there are People that have experiences and there are people who've seen stuff skin walk a ranch where a portal opens up and a

Bigfoot comes out and you have these spaces where things come through. I don't know how else to say, except that like this is not a not a unique. Bluriery areas. Right. Yeah, 100%. I mean, you know, you guys. Balerias. Yeah. I mean, you guys do the, you know, the standard. What do you, what do you think about Sasquatch? Yeah. We didn't get to that. We just jumped into it, Kevin. Yeah. No, it's all good. But I mean, my answer would be, you know, that I think it's related to kind of the pocket dimensions. Like, do you guys know who Gene Decode is? Ever hear of him?

Okay. So my dad goes really, really hard on the conspiracy stuff. I don't like the word conspiracy. It's pretty generic, but he follows this guy who appears on YouTube periodically, and he's always changing his account. He's always changing, like, how you can watch the videos, and then they'll be gone, and he gets, like, 21 views, and then it's gone. But, I mean, his name is Gene Decode, and he was talking about,

being afflicted with more jealous and had somebody from the CIA visit him and say, like, we know you have this disease and here's how you get rid of it. And, you know, just consider this like a courtesy tip, but also that you kind of need to shut up. You know, and stop saying what you're saying. And he was, I was listening to him once and he was talking about these pocket dimensions. and how it directly correlates with the 411, the missing 411, right? And these thin areas where people can slip into something else and they're gone, I think wherever they go is probably where Bigfoot are,

and I just think Bigfoot are a lot more, I mean, I think they're animalistic, and I think they're a lot more in tune or at ease with kind of moving through into different dimensions. And, you know, they probably like to come into ours and nose around a little bit and be curious. And then, like, when they get spooked, they just bail and they're gone, you know, and we're not going to find them because they know how to get it. They drop a poop first and then they leave. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Like that's the last episode. Yeah. Oh, boy, dude. What? This is a couple of baked potatoes. Let's make it happen. I was going to say this does. This is very missing form of one.

And I was, as you were telling your story, I was thinking a lot about, you know, the years of listening to his episodes. And as he progresses in his theories, you know, talking about some of those, like, translucent, almost predator-type creatures that were going from the trees. The predator, baby. So, yeah, on the hunted documentary, one of the last stories he tells is that girl who's in the deer stand and she sees this thing going between the trees. And it looks like there's a predator in the trees. Yeah. And I know Bigfoot does this, right? Like, you, especially like you hear a lot of stories about the juvenile ones up in the trees and people see them and they share videos.

Like, it looks like it's climbing from the trees. But I've never heard anything else about like any humanoid things other than that politis episode. I just want to say to listeners, like, I mean, I'm right there in this story with you because I feel like the progression of just the things I've heard over the last decade of listening to stuff. It sounds crazy to maybe just a first-time listener. But there's so many things in the cryptic space that are lining up here. And this is hard, though, because it'd be easier almost if it was a Bigfoot, right? Because... Yeah, I know.

It would be easier. I'd be easier. Yeah, there it was. We saw one, too. You know, yeah. Yeah. No, this was so much more... I hate to say biblical, but it's just as you would imagine the garb, right?

somebody who's outfitted in something from the time of or Christ or a couple thousand years even before or maybe even 20,000 years before, but it seemed like, and just regal, and there was like a presence where it was like, you were looking at him and you were just like, wow, this is like really, really something. Behold, this is, like, he's like, awesome. This is an awesome thing. But you hesitate to say that because it's not okay. Like, that's, that's he's not from heaven. Like he's, no,

but I think that lines up with the scripture though, Kevin. We talk about like the, the nephalum of Gen 6 being the offspring of the watchers and women and then being the men of renown, right? There was something to be said for, you know, as Tim would call the elder race or the angelic race. Yes.

Being these, you know, as it's described, these like chiseled statues of granite, right? Like there's this, there's this whole. So that lines up. And maybe he just like,

He likes Aladdin a lot and he's larping. He just wants to dress like, I don't know, but I think that there's like... He probably is probably out there forming Disney. He's like, listen, guys, they're on you. Hey, hey, hey, get out of Florida, right? I think it's fascinating though, like the idea of coming down the tree. It has this feel of like... Spider-Man.

Ape like kind of in a way with grabbing with your feet and whatnot, but the same Yeah, and there wasn't apeness to it in a way that he was able to kind of like convert himself and come down like that, but like still maintained like a humanoid, you know, like a movement to it. I mean, it was, it was just, yeah, just. How big were those feet? Big. I mean, like, you know, enough to. Bigger than mine. Enough to kind of like wrap around and kind of cup this, this trunk of this tree coming down. I think there's just, there's a lot to be said to Kevin, like, and you're going to just sitting back and listening to Matt, tell us. story and having it line up like to a T. I mean, if you've had traumatic incidents and this is,

this would be in that, you know there's something really strange about time slowing down, like completely, like where you, it's the tick of the clock and it's the things you smell with all these tactile memories. And because I think you see something like this, just like a lot of people do when they, when they have encounters with the cryptids and things that are, that we would call supernatural. There's this initial reflex that you're like, you're kind of like you're crazy, but you had somebody there who recounted the same way. Yeah. And I mean, he's a realist.

Yeah, I mean, he's just like, you know, he's, it's going to be a tough soul to kind of get most people to kind of share the story. I just, I just think that it's valuable and that it's of a service for me to give a report that people can kind of know what to expect because, I mean, it says, you know, as it was in the days of Noah. I mean, I'm paraphrasing, but, you know, so it shall be again. Like, if what I saw as an indication and I can get this airtime and let people know that, I mean, as of 1995, they're making some hard moves and they're out there doing their thing. Yeah, they're on an upswing and time to get right. I mean, it's kind of like everything on this

show lines up and seems to make sense because right now there's a discussion going on in our members page by one of these people saying, these Nephilim creatures are just conspiracy theories. There are no more today. They don't exist anymore. But yet on our show, we've heard that they're in the swamps of Louisiana, the people have seen them,

alligator hunting out there and fishing. They see these things. There's also stories of them being on the Solomon Islands, picking up cars, putting them back on the road, in the same description, right? And there are stories of hunters who have these encounters. they have run-ins with these things out in the middle of nowhere. I mean, it's great.

Then you have the really famous Candahar, you know. Yeah. Yeah. But I think they adapt, right? I think that still exists. I think that they adapt. I think the idea of hybrids absolutely has to happen. And I don't think maybe it looks the same.

This is blurry ground zero in terms of America, right? 100%. We've heard more stories coming from this part of America, from the mounds, you know, to serpent mounds up in Minnesota. We brought a guy on who had those on. his farm to things going on in Michigan to UFOs happening all around the Grand Rapids area and northern Michigan. There's so much weird stuff in this part of America. Yeah, I mean, it is ground zero. Yeah. I would add too that like if you've watched Graham Hancock's new series on Netflix at all

and finished it that he talks about mounds. I'm just going to remember this part of his show, right? He talks about mounds and the idea there was 10,000 and most of them have been leveled. The idea doesn't have necessarily be a mound there because we talked to Fritz Zimmerman. and a few folks about their experiences on these mounds and the things that happen right in these sort of manifestations you're to wherever from roger to fits to everything in between and realizing that like it doesn't matter if the mound is still there necessarily for it to have sort of have this access point or influence i would we just bought this new house i'm first time homeowner big thing was this thanks man thank you let's go yeah yeah here we go and but what

what was interesting is we had the inspector come out and he started harp on about the radon and I started looking into radon and I'm just like and I had this dream one night, you know, because you're having all these, you're just mulling over everything. Like really, I'm buying a house right now. I've always just had condos and paid rent, whatever, here we go. And I had this dream one night and in the dream I was told and I remember by what that radon is simply. And apparently it's like your neighbor may not have any, but you do. And then like, and then your next door neighbor might be so bad.

Like, that's why they don't live there, so on and so forth. But in my dream, I was told that it's decaying giant body. Oh. Yeah. Not odd that like they were buried and, you know, when they die, but that they're of such a ancient and potent DNA that this is just, like the half-life of their of their decomposition. Listen, I like it.

Yeah. Regardless of that's true or not, I like it. I'm going to. I like it a lot. I'm going with it. Well, people, people looking at a map here, you know, you have Indiana's rights smack dab in the middle. You got Ohio, you know, you got Kentucky below you.

You know, you got Illinois and Wisconsin, Michigan, right? And this is like a pocket. The fact this is a mile from your childhood home, though. I mean, what's it like from that point on? because that's, I mean, I grew up near a river. I saw a demonic creature as a kid in the back window. I convinced myself it didn't happen. It was just so strange that it happened right there.

I mean, this is pretty, this is pretty dang close to home. Yeah, it's extremely close to home. I mean, because having been all over the place, you know, travel all over, I've lived all over. And then, you know, so hindsight's always 20-20. My wife is always like, what's with your hometown, man? you know because there is a there is a spirituality there where you know the the churches are there and the Christians are there to serve as they must because it's a slippery slope outside of that and you know the things that are commonplace there the notions that are commonplace there

you don't find in other places like I was mentioning earlier in the discussion like ghosts you know like we just grew up and there was just ghosts and which kind of confused me because I was like well we're you know Christian household wise why is there this particular spirit and then like my sister's friend also saw this same exact spirit and then I remember kind of like maturing in my faith and saying you know like well this this is I have the authority to stop this like you you know with the power of the Holy Spirit I don't want this in my house anymore like you know and then it did stop, you know, under my authority with Christ standing behind me. But, like, you know, it was known that things are haunted.

It was known that there was this satanic ritual stuff happening. And so then I would leave and go to other places, and then there just wouldn't be any of that. And then you'd go home, and there'd be some more of that going on. And then you'd leave, and there went in. And so, like, the area has, it has an affliction for sure. I mean, I'm not trying to tear my hometown because I really love it, but, like, alcoholism is kind of high, man. Like, alcoholism is, like, sort of unusually high.

And people die a lot, but not by, like, typical means, like, catastrophic accidents happen. Like, not too far from Arrowhead in, in, um, I believe it was in 19, well, I just got into high school. So it had been 1994 a year before this. Two of our teachers and four students just died in a car accident where some guy just ghosted and hit him. And, you know, they're gone, you know. But like, it's just the people dying,

they're dying from certain things. They're ODing. They're drinking. There's violence. There's a car accident. You know, my sister's best friend dies on a car accident. You know, the other kid who was in there is now. paraplegic and then he goes to another and then he pulls out of the highway and he gets killed and it's

like freak accident after freak out he's just like man you can't stick around here for too long or uh you're just rolling a dice you know i like to get in see my mom grab a pizza on and get out of there it's like so the area has a the area has i'll just say a thinness to borrow your your term or like laura singer right you guys you you have her haven't you had around like five or six times and she She talks about the spiritual mapping. That's exactly the words that we're going to come by mouth. People can't admit this, Kevin. They can't talk about how places like Mount Shasta.

There's like a territory. It's like a principality, right? It's something that Paul seemed to be able to talk about, right? There's these areas, you know, and he's trying to get people to understand that the spiritual world is more complicated than we all want to say it is. and who knows what is under the ground or near your house or in that town or a sacred, who, I mean, who knows what that place could have been, you know, a couple thousand years before you got there and what's under the earth. I mean, we sometimes, you drive past these mountains in America.

It could have been pyramids, you know. They could have been some mecca of satanic worship back in the day, right? That's my suspicion getting away from it. And then looking back and just growing old and maturing in your years and maturing in your faith and taking a look at that place from what it is. And it's just like, no, not everybody gets divorced all the time at this rate. Not everybody has haunted homes. Like in that area, has anybody ever talked to you guys about Moody's Light? Has it ever been brought up to you?

No. Uh-oh. Outside of, so you go south on I-65. from our hometown from Crown Point and one of the next towns down just gets so weird I could talk to you for hours. There's a town there called Rentz-A-Leer.

And there's a town called Rentz-A-Leer. And it was a very long story but essentially a farmer borrowed some money from the mob up in Crown Point and was not able to make due. He came home

one night and his house was on fire and his family was on the front table. dead and burning in the house. And he went outside. And at the end of his driveway, somebody blinked their lights three times. And he grabbed his lantern in his pitch for it and tore down the driveway to get whoever supposedly done this.

You can pull up to this driveway and pull up to the tree stump and flick your lights on three times. And about 100 feet up that driveway, a match will light up a lantern. and the lantern in the pitch black will start wandering towards you. Like I, just like everything, I had it on VHS. We went out there and I VHS. I had it. The lantern got so bright that we were leaning on the front bumper of the car.

I could hold my hand up in the shadow from the lantern was on the car hood. I had it recorded. My brother, when I brought the VHS into our house, my brother was having cold sweats and nightmares and he got up and recorded over it something told him that we shouldn't have that tape on our house he recorded over it like an episode yeah so you got like boy meets world over

so yeah so we got Fred Savage over where I had the one the one actual you know ghost on film but it was like really not not not too much of a loss because you could just drive back there and do it again. I mean, it's known. Like, people would be like, I'm going to Moody's Road and be like, dude, why?

Like, like that's, you get, people are going to come up short by playing with that over and over. You know, and that's just a thing. It's just normal. You can't go anywhere else, all the other places I've ever lived, all the places have ever traveled and talk about that kind of stuff. It's not normal. Yeah. I think that this is a topic, honestly. This is a big topic. It's probably something we should address on our show. You travel. I mean, I was lucky to travel the country at a young age and I've been to just about every major city multiple times. And I can tell you there is a different energy in different places.

And it's not new age or it's not, you know, wacky to talk about that there are places that feel like their, their leadership or whatever or whatever. Something's hovering over this town. Just going from Florida to California in the pandemic on, I flew from Florida to from, you know, Florida where it was, nobody cared about the pandemic. Nobody really did anything. flew to California and everyone's triple-masked and freaked out the fear. And I literally got on a plane that morning, flew there for Christmas one year.

And I was like, this place is, if people could just get on a plane and go back to Florida and see the difference. It felt like I was, yeah, it definitely felt like a spiritual stronghold in California. I felt it in my bones. Like this place is just. It is. It's the history of California. And I mean, you know, living in West Hollywood. would. I get it. Like you like it's it's black magic. They're driven by particular currencies there that we have

no business getting anywhere near. And so, you know, if you want to sell out, then your success can come by way of, you know, he who actually runs earth. Then he'll hook you up because, you know, Satan wants people to see these earth riches. And so they all congregate out there and run their magic. I mean, we, we wanted to get into, because we had our gallery there. We wanted to get in the West Hollywood Chamber of Commerce. Weho, baby. Yeah, and so we go down there for right next to Sir Restaurant on Robertson and Melrose. We go down there because they're having their Christmas.

I'm surprised they even use that word. We go down there for their... Shocky. Yeah, their West Hollywood Christmas party. And so we're kind of hanging out. And there's just this blonde guy kind of in our group. And he's sort of just there, maybe being social. but he looks at me in his eyes would flip back and forth between like an iridescence that like a cat has when you shine a flashlight on him

and I well this is what he said to me I looked at him and he goes oh you can see that and I go yeah I see that and he goes well then you have potential you you have you have the ability to to be like me and I said, well, I go, I don't want to be like you. And he said, well, you don't, he goes, you don't want to be a sorcerer. And I was like, really, dude, a sorcerer? You're like, like, what is this like magic the gathering? Like, you're calling yourself. Right.

Do you want to meet in the park with pool noodles and get after it or what? Why don't you have a cloak on, man? Like, what's up? Where's your weird, dude? What's your character name? Should I call you by that? How many MP do I get? But I just, but it was.

but it was it was it was very bizarre and so i just kind of was like looking i was like man you got the wrong guy you know i i don't i know you're you're feeling like great because i can see what you're exhibiting and then i looked and like you know my assistants and other people in the gallery were looking at him and they they had no idea they were like you know what the hell's going on here so i mean for some reason i was able to kind of catch what this with this guy was like laying down what's even crazier is we went like i kind of ditched them and we walked up the black back to the gallery and I'm kind of standing around talking about what to do. He's suddenly in our group and he's like, well, we can go back to my place.

I was like, whoa, bro. You know, you're like hard stop, bro. Yeah, like I already told you, man. Like, we're not, we're not doing this. But yeah, you know, that's, that's California. And like, we would, we would run into that stuff all the time. My brother helped open a bar over in Highland Park over there and the amount of stories that he had of the people with their eyes and the reptilian eyes and, you know, just, I mean,

they go hard over there. I don't know, northern and southern are different, but you guys have a different game up in north too. There's a huge, I mean, there's a huge cold thing. Like, Nate, you know this between us. Is it bohury? Yeah, yeah, exactly.

That's up there. North of San Francisco. Chico and Sack, like, you know, talk about Grass Valley, like Auburn, those areas, there's like a I mean, there's a haven for witchcraft. Then you have Shasta. You have all this weird, weird stuff is going on.

And you have like those, those megalithic walls that go run through the Bay Area, they say. And you also see a lot of UFO sightings off the coast of California. And sure enough, Catalina Island had all these giants on it. And they dug up a bunch in Santa Barbara and in San Jose even. There's a lot of history there. But the same thing goes off the coast of Michigan, right? Just north of you, you know, there was all these UFO sightings. And then they found these megalithic structures under the water and the Great Lakes. And how's it all connected? You know, how does any of this stuff make any sense?

And I think the sad part is, is if you look into it, you're sort of demonized or, I don't know, Christians have this very broad brush of like, can't talk about anything evil, bad, can't bring up anything because then we're dabbling in the occult or we're, you know, we're giving the, it's frustrating because it's like, you can't convince a lot of this stuff is happening to a lot of people, and especially the people that need to know about it are the people that should be armoring up against it. 100% I mean, I mentioned this to, you know, people who are like maybe in our church circle a little bit. And we have some really awesome people.

I mean, our congregation is amazing. And, you know, our pastors is very forthright. And I mean, he'll talk about like, yeah, you know, one time I was given a great sermon and somebody was levitating because they were so heavily oppressed that, you know, blah. Like, he'll say it. It's cool. But, you know, you always, you have this version of Christian who's just saying, well, we know, how the story ends. You can just go to the end of the Bible. You see how it ends. You see that where the winners. It's all good. And it's like, but we don't know when we're going to be yanked out of

here. Okay. And like you got to be keen and you got to be vigilant and you got to stay aware. Like you say the devil roars around like a lion looking for somebody to devour. Like don't let it be you. If you can pony up, you know, put on your armor or God and be right about it, you know, because otherwise you're going to get caught. The human trafficking out there doesn't care who. I mean, you know, I've heard that like if you want to find the saintness, be critical of the front row of your church because they're in there doing recon, you know, and you'll never know. You'll never know. They're the best. They're at the top. But like, they're also right there, like, taking notes because they, this is what I tell people. Like, Christians are kind of running a pedestrian game. And at the same

time these saintness are going for broke like they are convinced they are willing to sacrifice people and children in order to honor what are we willing to do for for our christ most of time right say our prayers you know i mean i don't i don't know because it's not by it's not by works it's by faith but but still at the same time it's like these people are serious they're willing to murder all the time they're willing to kidnap all the time to to appease you to appease I mean, that is like some serious gust of. They're going for it. And like, you know, people, you know, like, for instance, my mom, I mean, I'm like,

mom, okay, so you believe, I'll tell her some of these things. And she really didn't want to hear it for the most part. I mean, let's be frank. We have other things to talk about. But like still, I'm like, mom, I kind of want you to be aware. Like, you know, this vaccine situation, they're trying to manipulate our DNA, right? They're trying to bastardize God's creation. They're trying to put MRI in our veins to change us into something that they

own. That's what's going on. She's like, why would they do that? I'm like, well, what? You believe in the ultimate perfection of good, right? That's Christ. Then, I mean, you have an idea of that. Well, like, an opposite of that exists completely. Like, why is that out of your imagination? I mean, like, it is so bad and so evil and so aggressive and they want to win this thing. They're going to do whatever they can, like, like acknowledge that. So that's why I kind of feel like, you know, I really appreciate you guys for taking the time with me

because, you know, you want to serve and you want to, you want to share what you know. And I just, I just know what Matt and I saw that day is like, it's evidence. Like they're these fallen angels and, you know, knowing the earth women or whatever. I mean, I know without a doubt in my mind, at least one of them found.

somewhere to hide during that flood and hold up for long enough for it to dry it up so he can get back out and do his thing or i mean he has or they came back or they came came back or found a different pocket dimension or some other place to hide in for 10 seconds so that he could i mean who who knows but i mean it's it's it's getting realer out there you know podcasts like yours are thriving because of where we're at in in the spiritual game well thanks thanks man. I appreciate you. Do we take,

yeah, like Nate said, we can't think enough for telling your story, man. These are, like Nate's at the beginning. These are the kind of stories that we've been waiting for. Like, honestly,

because there are a plethora of podcasts that talk about Bigfoot experiences and not to make, you know, to make any light of those or to say those aren't of significance, but they happen a lot. I mean, you can look at Bigfoot siding podcasts.

And we talked about polites actually, right? Like you can actually overlay, he likes to overlay Bigfoot sidings along with missing people. you can also do the same with caves. But to have an encounter with, you know, with a giant in this case is a few and far between two. We're grateful, man.

Thanks. And for the courage, too. You know, you have Matt and he didn't want to come on. And we understand that. But thanks for sharing because I think people have experiences, whether it be anything that would be classified as paranormal or anything people talk about is supernatural, things that most everybody would like to explain a way or, or to say, you know, or you tell yourself, you're crazy for having these, they're having these experiences when they really happen.

People need to hear this, I think. And I think it's so important that we, as you would say, we talk about the evil that is harvesting. And I think there is a quickening. We've talked to a number of people on the show, whether it be Dark Waters, just talking about how the gates of hell opening up and people are having experiences with stuff now in these days,

in this day, this year that he hasn't heard of, you know, and people that the traffic this space haven't heard of. There is this thinning or this quickening that's going on and we're just grateful for it. Yeah. There's like, I won't keep us too much longer, but it's like, I try and remember, you know, like the first time I saw Braveheart and it was like, okay, so the English march north in this enormous army and then the Scottish have to like grab their enormous swords and kiss their wife and their kid goodbye because they know more than likely they're going to go get hacked

to bits. and what those people who also had biblical awareness of, like on those battlefields, you know, they probably were like, well, this is the end of the world. You know, because there's always, it feels so bad and so brutal and so grotesque, but it's like we're to the point now where technology is allowing the forced copyright of your DNA strands by what's being fast-tracked into your veins. and if you don't want to do it,

then maybe you just don't get to travel anymore. And I mean, it's really coming down to a technologically enabled a system where, you know, the soul is being commandeered and engineered now. It's like central digital currency and like if I piss you off, then my money only works five miles from where I am right now.

Like, you know, and, you know, they talk about these laws of technology and processing power and how it continues to speed up, right? And ultimately you hit singularity and you have where it's always doubling its power every second and it's nearly unstoppable. I mean, that's like well on the way. I mean, you know, if we're looking at a litmus test for where we're at, I mean, the fact that the ultimate insult to God is to bastardize his group, which is what they were

always trying to do the you know the the the the son's a man that that that was like well look at this let's let's take his women and and get this going and the offspring was well i don't know i mean i'm pretty sure i've seen one i keep waiting for somebody to come up on one of these podcasts and say something similar yeah i mean i've been waiting for these kind of stories but they're not very common and not a lot of people i would say Kevin have like luke was trying to get to a little bit They don't have the stones to talk about it, nor do they even want to admit to themselves what they've seen. Because this is like Bigfoot, a lot of people, you've heard enough stories. If you see it, it's kind of like, oh, dang, that's what it is.

But this isn't something that's in most people's catalog. So if you have this experience, it's probably pretty darn traumatic, way more traumatic than seeing a Bigfoot creature, which is still traumatic to a lot of people. This is something that's, it's something else entirely. And if you don't even have a frame of reference for this, it's got to be pretty, it's got to be pretty psychologically hard to swallow even for a 15-year-old kid, man. Yeah, I don't know.

Well, it got blocked out for a very long time. I remember finally when, I'm in a very long time, right? It was just like, well, I'm not doing that. That doesn't stack up. That doesn't have, that doesn't interface with whatever else I know about Earth at all. but then like Tony Merkel had that and it's just something like hatched. I was like, oh shit. But you know, they say that what's interesting is they say that like especially the SRA

abuse that happens to people that like your frontal lobe apparently isn't fully developed until you're like 25 or 26. And then at that point you start to get awareness of the things that you packaged up and shut down. I kind of feel like that's what happened. I mean, we just were like, no, we can't do that. that doesn't interface with reality. We can't do that story. And it just was like totally buttoned up and all but gone.

And then I was listening confessionals and it just hatched. And I just all in once was like, oh my gosh, wait a minute. Whoa. And then here we are today talking about it. So it. Yeah. Yeah. You can only hold it down for so long before I was able to kind of get back out.

But, you know, all in God's watch, because now I'm able to process it and make actual sense about it with from a biblical perspective yeah and i mean listen like i do believe that this is going to help people and this is what testimonies are about right like so like grateful for that and yeah man thanks for coming on dude and nice for for sharing the story and just appreciate you man yeah appreciate you man you guys you guys are the best man you make that f-150 a great place to be let's go let's go man let's go let's go yeah hey um Dude, hey, let us send you some swag too. Okay, man.

I love it. So shoot us your size's address. We'll send you some stuff. I love it. And then Nate will let you know. If it goes through a portal, we can't. We can't control that. If you, USPS sends them to portal, then it just doesn't show up.

Nate does the editing, so I'll let you know. How deeps the merch going? I mean, do you have the blurry creatures flame thrower and all those? No, not there. Not quite yet. No, we need to, though. We need to. We need to start making ammo.

Then I keep it all. We wouldn't sell it. Yeah, no kidding, man. Yeah, dude, we got, let's send you some stuff, dude. Yeah, thanks for reaching out, man. This is cool. Yeah, you guys are the best. And, you know, I just, I just think that, you know, you guys pray about what you're doing,

and you're going to be perfectly fine, you know? You just, just keep moving ahead. You guys know what you're, you guys know what you're up against. Yeah, learn a little bit, learn a little bit of the hard way. But yeah. Yeah. So, dude, yeah. We are definitely, definitely need to pray, get prayed up.

Tell the truth has consequences, my man. I know. It's tough out there, you know? They want to keep you quiet. They want people to think that, you know, it's better to stay quiet and not spread the reality. They're making that perfectly clear. They're making it perfectly clear. We got death counts and people who didn't die.

You know, every single channel is just full lies around the clock. I mean, they want to control the narrative as hard as they possibly can. They're willing to do anything. Yep. Thanks, man. I'll let you know when it comes out. Yeah. We're a brother as well.

Happy Monday. Have an awesome week. You know. I pray that everything unfolds for the for the blurry, blurry palozozer. What are we calling it? Blurry con. Blurry con. John, yep. You're going to have a phone booth there?

Oh, yeah. Trying, dude. Actually trying. Yeah. Yeah, we'll see. We'll see. There's going to be some surprises there. Don't invite Alex Winters. I hear he's gone off the deep end of liberalism. Alex Winters out. I don't know who that is. He's out. Well, you don't know who that is? That's Bill from Bill and Tet. Oh. Bill's out.

Phil's out. It's replaced by Nate, so we're gonna go. Yeah, you're straight, right there. Yeah, we're good, dude. I'll be Ted. You know, make it happen. Perfect play. Cool.

All right, brothers. Talk to you soon. Anytime, drop a line. Thanks, bro. All right, man. Later.