Blurry Creatures - EP: 147 The Hitler Project with Dr. Laura Sanger

Episode Date: January 11, 2023

What is the Hitler project? Have advanced breeding techniques to create hybrids been around for a long time? We welcome back Dr. Laura Sanger to the podcast. She is the author of "The Roots of the Federal Reserve: Tracing the Nephilim from Noah to the US Dollar". In this episode, she brings on her friend and SRA survivor "ELLE" to share her story. These two have been friends for some time and she's confided in Dr. Laura her own horrific experiences. Due to the fragility of the situation, we've added a filter to ELLE's voice to protect her identity, per her request. ELLE shares her story and her personal experience. Perhaps her testimony can help us understand a little bit more about the DNA war that we are all in.  Intro Song: Dream Kid 83 Guest: https://nolongerenslaved.com [e-mail] blurrycreatures.com Socials www.instagram.com/blurrycreatures www.facebook.com/blurrycreatures www.twitter.com/blurrycreatures Music Kyle Monroe: www.tinytaperoom.com Aaron Green: https://www.instagram.com/aaronkgreen/ Mastering: Brandon Weaver https://ironwingstudios.com Outro Song: TimeCop1983: www.timecop1983.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Go to Roughgreens.com and use discount code blurry. That's RUFFF Greens.com discount code blurry. Rough Greens makes any dog food better. You know, listening to an interview like this, listening to what Al, has gone through some of the things she's shared. And she's told me it would take lifetimes for me to hear what she has experienced. And so what she shared, you know, in this past hour and, you know, hour and a half is just barely scratching the surface.

And I think what happens is kind of a normal process we go through is, you know, we use skepticism as a way to deal with cognitive dissonance. And so when we listen to something like what, Elle is shared. It's so difficult to wrap our head around it because the world that we see now, our eyes are opening much more to how dark the world is. But we don't have a framework for the type of evil that Elle has experienced. And so I think what happens for so many people is it's much easier just to discount it and think, oh, these are just made up stories. This doesn't make sense. How do these pieces fit together? It's not logical. You know, we go through all of that. And

That's just a normal way that we deal with cognitive dissonance. But when we do that, we fall right into the trap that the enemy has set for us. Because when we do that, it keeps people like L isolated. Hey, you've tuned in to blurry creatures. We are thankful you're here. Thanks for listening to our podcast this week. If it's your first episode, it's kind of one of our heaviest episodes we put out. Dr. Laura Sanger brought on one of her friends.

She'd befriended someone who, who's gone through satanic ritual abuse, SRA, and she's going to kind of come on our show. We're going to disguise her voice, and she's going to tell her story. Yeah, so keep an open mind. Obviously, some of these things are hard to hear, but Laura's got an amazing heart, which you'll hear in this episode. If you like what we were doing here at Blurry Creatures, head over to BlurryCreatures.com. Check out all the things that we've got going on.

Dr. Laura Sanger will be at BlurieCon. And we are going through the waiting list of tickets right now. there is a digital streaming option though we hired a team to come in and stream the event so if you live somewhere else around the world go to blurry creatures.com you'll see there's a flyer there click it and you'll be able to get tickets to this live streaming event obviously the team is going to bring in a professional crew set it up stream it film it so laura will be there yeah so let's get laura on this episode thank you guys so much for supporting this podcast selling out blurry con and just continually to, you know, wow us with all the love and support for this podcast, sharing it with friends

and sending us great messages. You're the best. Let's get Laura and Elle on this one. I hope you enjoy it. The history of our earth is so different from what we can imagine. The Smithsonian that if they found out about a large skeleton somewhere was to go get it. I'm going to assume at least one person is right. Because if one person's right to bust the paradigm, it all goes back to the fallen chair. And the problem with the modern day church, they have a very truncated view of the supernatural. This backdrop that's just pregnant with all kinds of meaning associated with this Mount Hermann event. And this guy defects from the kingdom. That's a big deal.

Elle, would you like me to pray to start us first before we start? Okay, I'll do that. Lord, we're so grateful for this opportunity to come together. Thank you that all four of us are here, that technology is working. We pray your protection over all of the devices and instruments and microphones and recording everything that you would protect it, that this would be able to go forth and be recorded. And Lord, we pray for your peace that passes all understanding. Lord, we pray that you would just wash away any nervousness.

Lord, we pray that your words would come forth through each of us. you know what you want to bring forth through this interview. And we're so grateful for the opportunity. And Lord, most of all, we want you to be magnified in what we say and do. And so we surrender this interview to you. Have your way with it, Jesus. Amen. Amen. Thank you. So welcome, welcome to Glory Creatures, guys. This is going to be a heavy one. So just a caveat, if you have kids, you know, maybe this isn't the episode. You know, as we've done our show, we get into heavy topics. Obviously we started with Bigfoot and then it led to giants in ancient history. And this is probably going to be one of our heaviest episodes we've done. We're bringing

on our good friend, the legend, Dr. Laura Sanger and her friend, L, who on this episode we are going to protect her identity. And so we're going to disguise her voice. She's good friends with Dr. Laura. And she has been through quite an experience dealing with these creatures that we talk about on this podcast. And I just, just out of respect for, you know, for her, we're going to protect her identity the best we can. And we just appreciate you, Dr. Laura, for coming and back on the show and bringing your friend. And thank you for being willing to share this experience on our podcast. I know it's not easy. I know it's difficult and traumatic. And I think a lot of people that listen to our podcast want answers and they want better answers and they've experienced some

of these creatures, maybe just a sighting or a story or they read their Bibles and they just don't understand. And so what we try to do on this podcast is help people get better answers. And so, yeah, I just can't say thank you enough. I just want to kind of give that, you know, caveat to people listening that this is going to be a little bit different than normal, a normal blurry creatures episode, but still very important. And thank you guys for coming on the show. Appreciate it so much. Absolutely. It's always a joy to be with you guys. So thanks for having us. And I want to give a quick shout out to two of your members. You guys have the most amazing members, by the way. And I had two people reach out to me as a result of listening to

me on Blurry Creatures. One is Andrea Barnett. And she wanted to gift her services to me. And she is an Emmy Award winning video editor. And she has put together the most amazing pitch deck for a documentary that my publisher and I are working on called Giants Among Us. And so I just want to give her a shout out, say thank you from the bottom of my heart. You just blessed me beyond belief. And then also Ella O'Hart is from Australia and she's a blurry creature member. And she reached out to me. She's a graphic designer. And she has designed my new website that we're just about to launch in the next week or so. And she's developed a new logo for me. And so she's developed a new logo for me. And so she has put so much effort into my new website design.

And it's going to allow me to do even more things than the old platform. So I'm super grateful. Just wanted to give a quick shout out to your most amazing members. Thank you. That's awesome. Luke and I have been totally blessed by the people to listen to our show that support our show. And every day, someone's offering something to us to the point where it's like, this is awesome.

And I love that. People want to get the truth out there. and they feel inclined to help. And it's just, it's awesome that they're blessing the people that come on. Look at the blurry verse. Just, just, dude, heeding the call. I love it. We love you, Dr. Laura.

And so that is a, it's a blessing to us. It's really been a fun journey. I think we talked about this in our, and some of our pre-roll, just about how fun it is to have getting to know you. You know, Amazon does have some redeeming qualities, I guess, because of Amazon and the roots of the Federal Reserve. And now we're going to, you know, we're going to talk to, to you and L about, I think something that's very, very poignant.

And I think we also talked about before, and I think I wanted to say this before we got started as well, is that we don't know why God allows us to go through certain things, but we do know that he redeems everything. And our testimonies are the powerful stories of God's redemptive promises in our lives. And we really believe that this interview in particular will, there be people out there that will be touched and ministered to by this and maybe have gone through something similar And so we're grateful, Elle, that you came on. We're grateful, Laura, that you proposed this and brought Elle on to share with us about, you know, something that is going to, for a lot of people, is really going to stretch their minds.

I know that, you know, on our show, we talk a lot of things that are very outside the box. And as we expand our worldviews and the biblical paradigm to encompass all of this, I think it's still shocking to realize that there isn't really a bottom when it comes to the darkness. These are, these, the depravity has no, no limit. And the flip side of that coin is always the, the God's goodness and love has no limit. And his redemption has, there's no place it can't, it doesn't reach. And so, very excited. And I know that we wanted to start this thing off by just you giving, you laying some groundwork and talking about your story, your friendship with Elle and then getting into, to the context of this interview and conversation. So we could, we could start there if you like, Dr. Laura.

Absolutely. I am so excited to be with Elle today that she is joining us. It is a definite joy for me. And for those of you, I just want to introduce her. She is from South Africa and she is an overcomer of satanic ritual abuse from the Royal Bloodline. And for your listeners, you know, I think the last interview we did, the episode on Mount Herman, at the end of the interview, I spoke about Elle. And at the that point in time, we, I think we had just met. It was like three or four weeks prior to that. Elle reached out to me via email, which is unusual for her to do. And I'm so glad that she just followed the prompting of the Holy Spirit and reached out because what the Lord has done in the six months that I've known her is he has just brought a beautiful friendship. And it's so unique. It's one that can only be described as it is a gift from God. And so I'm just so grateful. And she inspires me so deeply because she is literally the most courageous person that I know. And she has such a tender heart and she is so thoughtful. She remembers things that I forget,

even about myself. She's so intuitive. And, you know, one of the things that always strikes me is that she doesn't complain about her life. You know, if anyone has, you know, deserves to complain, it would be her given all that she's gone through. But she doesn't complain. She just puts one foot in front of the other. She doesn't give up. And she is just so courageous.

And so I am thrilled to be with her today for this interview. So I just want to welcome you, Al. Thank you for joining us. Yeah. Thank you so much. And thank you, Luke and April. Yeah. Thank you.

Yeah, we appreciate it. It's, it's, you know, the floor is yours. You know, you guys can take this conversation in a podcast wherever you want. And how, but maybe, you know, like over the course, maybe give our listeners. So just like sort of an overview of what you would like to talk about. And then we'll kind of let you guys sort of take it as, and we'll just do our typical question asking. but Laura in some ways you can kind of take this where you think you needed to go because obviously we can go down a thousand rabbit holes as I'm sure everything you're going to tell

us is going to it's going to be hard to pick and choose which one we go down so maybe if you want to guide us and you it would be easier because I'm sure you know there's just it's just hard to pick sometimes which thing do we talk about but just give you a little update of where we are on show. We just talked to our first alien abductee who's been taken by Greys and was taking, like she was expressing a lot of the things I'm sure we'll talk about from missing pregnancies to all kinds of things. We just were releasing Daniel DeVall's episode. He talks about these bloodlines and he just released some prayers to help people get set free from these Illuminati bloodlines. And he basically said on our show that he's figured out what they are and how to

separate yourself from them. And it's detailed prayers that he describes that you have to pray to get free from these iniquities. And I know for me, from editing these shows, it's a little bit intense. It's like, it's hard to expand my paradigm and actually believe, is this? And I think there's a sense of we want to believe, but it's also hard, right? It's difficult to actually accept that some of the stuff that's coming out is true. So the floor is yours. Thank you. I just want to kind of give you an idea where we are in the show. So I think we're ready for this conversation. Sometimes it feels like when you get that phone bill, it's like the crash site document. You can't read it. There's a bunch of numbers, random fees, vague language, stuff's blacked out. You're like,

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but we talked to Dr. Michael Lake about Nimrod and then the replication of the Nimrod blueprint by Nazi Germany, which I know we're going to get into some of that today. And I think it's just, it's not accidental. It's really interesting how things go for us on the show, Nate. And that's all I'm going to say on that, except that for whatever reason, I feel like this, we keep getting pulled along, not for whatever reason, I think intentionally. Nothing is accidental. We get pulled along intentionally in the direction that God wants to move this. And very much interesting to see how the flow of things as we kind of recap, you know,

our story with Laura. And then the way that, you know, we talked about this stuff with Dan Duval and the abduction stuff, whether it be Tim or with, or with Karen. And then here we, you know, and here we get to hear from Elle about, you know, her story. And I'll let Laura, Laura take it from there. Yeah, I think it's so beautiful how the Holy Spirit just weaves things together. And, you know, in thinking about where.

to start. I remember in one of the interviews that we did, I think it was the hybrid host episode. I talked about the Hitler project. And I think that's a good place to start because Elle is a product of the Hitler project. She was birthed out of that. And so I want to just kind of lay an overview and then have her share as much as she feels comfortable in sharing about how that impacted her and her different experiences. And some of what I'll share, not just comes from L, but also it comes from other, you know, overcomers of satanic ritual abuse from the Royal Bloodline. And then also, you know, the Lord has just opened up opportunities for me to be able to develop relationship with other people that minister to, you know, people coming out of satanic ritual abuse from the

royal bloodline. So all of this information I'll share kind of comes from those three different resources. So in a nutshell, the Hitler project began in 1944. And what Hitler did was, you know, he developed a trauma-based mind control program. And he had Joseph Mangala run that. Now, Mangala was not only a Nazi scientist, but he also was a sorcerer. And so together, what they did is they really set the stage for multiple incursions to happen through what's called a conception ritual. Now, Satan is well aware of those families. lines, those bloodlines that are his best asset because they have just, you know, this generational iniquity that has built up over the centuries. And these are these 13 royal bloodlines.

And so daughters have been hand-selected from these bloodlines to birth Nephlin. In the conception ritual, what my understanding of it is that it involves two people, one of which is a royal. And it's a pre-planned conception so that at the same, time all across the earth, there are these rituals that involve blood sacrifice. And the reason they do that, they synchronize it. So there is this convergence of power that happens at the moment of conception. So the child being conceived at that moment during that ritual has this interplay with the spiritual forces of darkness such that a triple helix DNA is created. And that third strand of the DNA is in the spiritual realm. And then the children that are born as a result of this are born

right into the Luciferian occult. So they are ritually abused at the moment of birth. And the severity of that trauma and then years of ritual abuse and trauma, that forms that dissociative process or begins that dissociative process. And so there's fragmenting that happens. When Mangala was present during that trauma and there was that fragmentation, he often would channel spirits into that new identity that was formed as a result of that dissociation. And so what you get oftentimes are, you know, these girls, these women, birth from this Hitler project, often have principalities that are overseeing or operating within multiple personalities within them. And so it's just, It's a very intense experience for them.

And, you know, having that triple helix DNA and also, you know, the extent of the ritual abuse, what that does is, you know, it prepares them for at a predetermined age, which my understanding is it's 13. So correct me if I'm wrong, L. But at 13, Satan takes on human form and rapes them so that they conceive and birth Nephilim. And so that is kind of an overview of what the Hitler project, it's also called the hybrid breeding program. And so I just wanted to lay that out as a foundation for what Elle can share with us because that is her birth story. Can I ask a quick question? Hitler was, is this part of the Aryan race thing he's attempting to do? Is this part of building a super army?

Is this a bigger picture? Like the occult is, this is there, Joel Chapter 2 army, as far. as to war with heaven. You know, I know there was definitely push from Nazi Germany to dominate the planet, right, to subdue and dominate the planet. But this seems just a little bit, it's multifaceted. And I guess I could read between the lines, but I wanted to hear your thoughts on exactly what the Nazis and Hitler in particular were trying to achieve. Yeah. Do you, do you want to answer that all or I can jump in, whichever? I think you can jump in and I'll add on inside a right. Okay. Yeah. So the way that my understanding is, you know, Hitler was

busy building an army of hybrids for the kingdom of darkness. And, you know, his, his pursuit in doing that is he really wanted to understand the secret of how Nimrod became a hybrid, how he became a demigod. And, you know, it's interesting that you had an interview, you know, just before ours, that went down this direction because I do really think the Lord wants us to understand this, because there is some important pieces to the puzzle that I think the Lord, is just connecting the dots. And so what I could do is maybe just provide a little bit of a biblical foundation for how someone can transform from a human to a hybrid and then give Elle the floor because she's had experiences with Hitler, with Mangala, with other hybrids, with Nephilim. But so in

thinking about, you know, how is this even possible? One of the things I love about scripture is that you can dig into scripture. And it is like this endless treasure box. You know, you keep reaching and digging and there's no bottom to it. And thankfully, scripture leaves us with some clues to answer this question. And one of them is in Genesis 6.9. And it says, and these are the origins of Noah. Noah was a just man being perfect in his generation. Noah was well-pleasing to God. And so, you know, here we have Noah being perfect in his genealogy. and his generation means that his genome was not corrupted by the Nephlim. So he was 100% human, as were his wife and sons. But then there is the possibility that one or more of the sons of Noah's,

or the wives of Noah's sons could have been a carrier of the Nephilim gene. And I go into more detail in this in my book. But here's where I think epigenetics really plays a role in helping us understand how is that possible for this transformation from hybrid or from human to hybrid. And if we think about Ham, Noah's son, Ham, he had this pattern in his life of sexual perversion. So it wouldn't be too surprising if he would have chosen a wife that possibly had the Nephilim gene within her, but she had an epigenetic marker that turned off that gene. So she wouldn't have had the phenotype of the nephalum. But a curse released in her bloodline could actually flip the switch on that nephalum gene and turn it on.

And I believe that's what happened in the life of Nimrod. So Ham's bad choices become Nimrod's poor predispositions. And so Nimrod actually acted upon that, which then unlocked that nephalim gene. And the other clue that we find is in Genesis 10.8. And it says, Kush begot Nimrod. He began to be a mighty one on the earth. And one of the things that I love to do, did in my book is I perform what I like to call an archaeological dig on language, you know, where I

look at the etymology of words because it's, I think it's important to understand these words in the original language because the meaning that they hold in that original language far surpasses what we can understand when we read it in the English. And this passage is a case in point. So with Nimrod, you know, his name means rebellion, which is a hallmarked trait of the Nephilim. But that phrase he began in the Hebrew is halal, which means to profane, defile, or pollute oneself through ritual or sexual means. So there is no way, as we're reading that in the English, that we can pick up that meaning of what actually was happening in Nimrod's life. Then if we look at that phrase, Mighty Man, that is Gabor, which I'm sure you've talked about countless times on your show,

but, you know, that means not only mighty, but it means strong, giant, tyrant, chief. It means impetuous soldier or hunter. And that comes from the root word gabbar, which means to prevail, to be strong, to show oneself mighty, and to act proudly toward God. So this gives you a feel of what Nimrod was involved in. And the first usage of Gabor in scripture is in Genesis 6'4 to describe the Nephilim. So here you have Nimrod, you know, he was born, you know, without the phenotype of the Nephilim. But then he defiled his genome by engaging in those ritualistic sex acts.

So Nimrod's grandfather, and here again is where epigenetics ties in, Nimrod's grandfather, Ham, you know, through his iniquity of disrespectfully gazing at Noah's nakedness, what he did is he created a predisposition for sexual perversion. in his children and his grandchildren. And, you know, through Ham's iniquity and then Noah's curse, in conjunction with Noah's wife being a likely carrier of the Nephilim, it really set the stage for the Nephilim phenotype to emerge after the flood. And that's what we see in the life of Nimrod. You know, by him engaging in those deviant sexual acts, that flipped the switch on that dormant nephalum gene and that's how he began to be a hybrid or a demigone and that's what i believe

probably happened um you know with hitler and i i just want to let l share some of what her experiences are as far as being born through that hitler project and then also her experiences with hitler and mangala thanks laura that helps a lot thanks for that foundation because that really strongly links on on it indication to and Mengalibir to do to do what they did, what they started. Because it's one of the, it's a very, very difficult topic to actually pick out and mention to highlight things. So please just be with me. And I also just want to, before I share anything, tell the audience as well, please just know it might be triggering to people, whether you survivors or not, this will be hard on the ears also to hear. For myself as a survivor, it's

hard sometimes even to process myself. So I just need to tell that. So it might be triggering for some. But what Laura mentioned is that one of Hitler's main indication, and just also know, I'm speaking from my own experience. What I do know and what I have experience, I do not have other people that I can corroborate with, but I know my experience is not isolated, but he used all that knowledge of Nimrod and Mingler. Mingula was the main person who did all the experiments on the babies and the kids and the embryos and all that knowledge of the nephanephylam. He was the main one who ran what we call the project, which is also otherwise known as the Hitler project. So that was set off as Laura mentioned in

1944 and what basically happened is that Mingler started under the gas, they already started actually before with the experimentation during World War II so by the time they started on survivors like myself, technology was much

more advanced than what people are aware of actually, way more advanced because it involved of autism and all of that so very, very advanced. So they just built further on that. And the main indication is for resulting in what we are experiencing today, form the baseline for what we've been experiencing in the last couple of years,

basically, to build like superhuman super soldiers, to advance the New World Order, the Illuminati, of that and to use people literally like as puppets. And yeah, so that's just in a nutshell, to give you an example of my story in a nutshell as well, I'm trying to, we'll try to. But in 1944, it was all orchestrated because of my bloodline that was designated for me, that I were already frozen in the embryo. were already chosen blood lines that formed the embryo that I were to become one day. What they basically do is the survivors from the project, from the Hitler project, all basically has been, the embryos have been, how can I say, made already in 1944.

And then at this significant times, it can be months, it can be years, it can be decades, those embryos were released implanted in worms, normally a serigate womb. But there's many other things that also goes together with it, which I can go into death if necessary. But so what happened to me is I were kept in a frozen state for three decades. And in that time, even before, they do rituals with one's embryo as well as, which I'm glad Laura mentioned that about the inequity forces to download iniquity forces from the various different royal bloodlines and elite bloodlines, that by the time you get born, you already so loaded with inequity forces and principalities and already at embryo-stache, already implanted and activate

spiritually that Nephilim gene to enable myself as a survivor by age 12, it's normally age 12, 13 to birth and everyone. So I'll think maybe I'll just pause there for the moment, if any of you have questions, before I continue. Yeah, Elle, I'm curious, like when you, how do you rediscover this, right? Because we all don't have, we don't know when we're born, and then by the time we're 12 or 13, you know, our lived experiences are that we are with our parents and at what point do you discover this and how does that happen?

Sure, that's a very good question. It's been an ongoing process. It still is a daily process. I started only having memories from age approximately 19. And it's been an ongoing process of because of the trauma I've been expires to since even before birth. They even did preconception rituals. I know that's very hard to swallow, but they do that on purpose. It's part of the practical. that they follow when you are part of the Hitler project. So what happened is that because of all the trauma that was done on purpose, on all sides, I severely dissociated and fragmented into polyfragmentation. So that allowed me in some way to have like a cover life. And so in some way I could have like a almost normal life, even though my normal life were also

filled with abuse. They made sure they were ongoing abuse even in my surrogate family on all levels and programming and tortures and things like that. So the dissociation basically allowed me to go on and to survive

and to have some semblance of normal life. So with time I started becoming severely depressed when I started having my memories because I mean in those years dissociation and SRA to satanic ritual abuse were not acknowledged. So it was not a topic to be discussed.

People were rather headed and also the stigma was very huge. It's still very huge. So having been a student, I did subjects in psychology and a bunch of other related stuff. So I knew all of that. But the Lord was very gracious. A few years after I started having my memories. One of the experts then in those years, Dr. James T. Frisson, came to South African, presented a conference. He was brought through by a lady, I respect very highly as well, Amanda Bays.

And through that, it opened up a lot for me. Things started to come together very slowly. and I realized I need to, there's much more than I need to deal with than what I thought because everything were kept initially under the guise of depression, post-traumatic stress, just being suicidal and all those kind of labels that you get from the medical field. So that's how it initially started all for me years. But it's still a daily ongoing process because it's been so severely late. on purpose that I were not supposed to ever be able to remember but what happened

where before I started remembering I were assaulted as well by multiple people so in that situation how harsh even that sounds it opened up my subconscious and the healing process started very slowly did yeah we hear that quite a bit on our show that people sort of get memories randomly away after the fact. They just kind of come to them and that they've, it's either, you know, God allows the brain to put these in a category to protect. You can actually continue to survive and live. Or they're putting screen memories and they're trying to keep this sort of this information to get out too. It's kind of people who have described both of those things. One way your body's trying to help help you.

And then the other way they're trying to keep, they're trying to keep this information from getting out there. Because obviously, if it gets out there, then it makes sense. I mean, it opens up all these cans of worms, right? That people have to deal with the reality that this stuff is happening. And I think one of the harder things about this episode is probably thinking that like Satan himself is out there actively, you know, breeding. I mean, that, that concept seems crazy. But a lot of people say that's how the Antichrist is going to come on the scene. Is this something like this?

But we, you know, Luke, on our show, we hear about these ancient rituals, right? And I think that most Christians, it's like we don't understand the law. laws of the spiritual realm. You don't understand how any of that works, but we can see evidence that they understood how it worked because they were building things in certain places, and they were building them certain ways, and there's all these clues from just like, as humans that we can say, they, it's almost like they had a book that just, like, outlined how to do all this stuff, and we are so clueless to it. I think for some listeners, it sounds like fantasy, But I think at this point in our show, we know that they had access to knowledge and these rituals did things.

I mean, it's a technology, right? We talked about some of this yesterday, the idea that the Germans had this explosion of technology that even at the odds of the war, we couldn't match, whether it be propulsion rockets or they were building like UFO-shaped craft. We knew that there was an impartation of knowledge and technology, much like what we know happened. to Mount Hermit, you know, with the in Gen 6, with the transaction of technology for wives, right? Yeah, and we don't get those answers in history, history class. What is actually his, we have a clue that something else is going on with Hitler, and we can just sense. But everyone's, oh, he's just a bad guy. He was just an evil dictator.

No, there's so much more to it than that. And you know that. I think most people and most historians know something else is going on. I wonder, Elle, if you can share about your birthing process and the mock birthing ceremony that took place at Mount Hermann and the people that were there and involved in that. Yeah. Yes, I can share about that. And I want to add on to something Nathan said, it's very significant, is that they on purpose kept an or keeping things so hidden that people are so deceived, it's so layered up that when, when people try to expose that it is on purpose done so, that society gets programmed and brainwashed to not believe.

It's on purpose like that. So they already thought of that. Eons ago, it didn't just start from scratch. They've been developing all these programming and techniques and AI and all of that for so, so, so long. long. So I just wanted to add that because it's so significant what you say. There's been always there's been a purpose to his madness and to his absolute evil. He didn't just do it because he one day woke up and felt like doing it. There was a real purpose for it and it actually is playing out very prominently in our lives today, in the world today. So to speak on Mike, on my birth,

and the mock birth in the ceremony, that's what I just termed it, for lack of not knowing how to describe it, because it's very hard to describe these things. And also to add that having those memories also made me feel like I was going totally bonkers, I am totally crazy. And that was also something that was put inside of me that when the memories come up, I would believe I'm going crazy and I would try to commit suicide and all those kind of things. It's like they put bombs in you that when you try to disclose,

and those things would happen. So what they basically did is from the embryo that was frozen, I were already taken to rituals before that happened, before I were birthed and placed into a syrivate body. What the crazy thing is, which is hot even for myself still to comprehend fully, I have much more understanding and comprehension because that helps with healing to get healed, to accept it, is that I were placed in more than one womb and even taken to rituals before I were born. So, but when I were born, it is right after I were born, I were placed in, well, let me first at this,

I were placed both in physical bodies, surrogate bodies, and I were placed in an artificial one because they want to bond one with Nephilim creatures from small as a fetus to also allow inequity forms and they do the absolute cruelest things to the fetus in the periods of time so they did that with me as well and so after birth what happened is One of the first things they do is they did a mock ceremony with me, which I do not know of other survivors also experienced, but I experience that they birthed me. And then what happens, one of the protocols is a three-way rape. I don't want to be graphic. And once again, this is triggering for survivors and audience. But that's part of the protocol that they do with us from the bloodline is they do a three-way rape with a newborn baby.

I'm sure I do not have to describe what three-way means. And what I recall is that they placed me in a womb again, in an artificial womb, like, it looked like a white sack. It was, I know now that it was AI, but it was a literal, it was a physical white, I call it a sack. And I birthed me again and did it again. And I do not have all the answers of why, the whys, I just know also it's big once again to load inequity forces from the different people

because during that process what they did is they would like place one in the whim of Satan or anephalum or different other royal people who were part of the bloodline that's blood of my bloodline and then they did the three-way rape again so there was several people present at my birth which happened in Israel, Jerusalem on Mount Hermon. And they were quite, I know the people that I can recall that were present were Satan. Nimrod, which is one of the generations of Nimrod, was not the first room, Nimrod, I think it was the third generation, Nimrod. Then there were a couple royal people present, senior royals,

that has passed away from the UK royals and other people that were in involved in the rituals, all royal and people, as well as other very high, myroki people, which I cannot mention their names, the one I can just refer to as H. Mingula was present as well and some other individuals. So does that answer your question or did I miss something? No, I mean, that definitely answers the question. And I think, you know, one of the things she mentioned Nimrod, the third generation of Nimrod, that would be considered a Nephilim, correct, Elle?

Yes, yes. He was a pure Nephilim, yes. Yeah. He was birthed by the blueprint of the, they created a new black line. The royals wanted to create a new black line, a conversion. between the royals and the occult sat in the Illuminati. And for that they needed a person to be the part of the start of that, which was the lady who was the blueprint for my conception, who is the daughter of, one of the daughters of a senior UK royal member

who recently passed away. I don't want to give her identity away my blueprint mom I call her just out of respect and to keep her identity sacred and to protect her as well. But they wanted to do that and I'm a blueprint of her with a lot of ad-ons, if that makes sense. So a Nimrod was directly her son, Nimrod was the person who was present. at my birth. So he was the first numrod birthed out of that of a conception between Satan and her who was part of the conception ritual post-birth

with a three-way road. Wow, I mean... And those they're for them that are present or in physical form like me and you, they do change years, but in those rituals they are present in physical form and sometimes we transform during rituals for specific purposes. I just wanted to clarify that it wasn't just a spiritual thing, it was in physical form.

Yeah, I mean, I was going to say that I think that something I've learned on this show, and I think listeners, that whatever organization is on the surface, it's never, it's always something completely different, right? So they have this UN base on the top of Mount Hermann, the United Nations. It's not what people think it is. And then same with the Masonic. They have this Masonic organization. It's just a front for the crime business that's being run in the surface underneath everything.

And so you can't take any of these entities or organizations at face value. The more and more we peel back to onion layers, they're strategically hiding everything that they do. And so is this happening in these UN bases on Mount Hermann? Is that why there's something like that there? because it's just a front for the cult? I believe so. I have not researched that, but I believe so, yes. Everything they do is basically what I call a shield.

It's a shield for everything that goes on behind the scenes to keep people deceived. And it's going on not just there, it's going on everywhere in the world. And that's why it's so very important for people to, especially, Especially for us survivors who's been used as puppets, that's also one of the main purposes of Hitler and Mingler having started this project, is to use us as puppets and soldiers to take further his plan and our generations take it further. So that's why it's so really, really necessary and essential for myself as a survivor, to heal and to find the truth and to not leave it there.

Otherwise, I just give Satan exactly what he wanted and what he wants and give heedless satisfaction, which is the last thing I want to do. Do you believe the Holy Spirit is giving you sort of this information, that these ceremonies that happened? because how, you know, people probably wondering how did you know these ceremonies take place? Okay. One of the ways I can on see, it's a double fall on stuff, is that I believe in Jesus Christ, New Shua, Holy Spirit, for the Son and the Holy Spirit.

It helps a lot in once healing process and also helping to recover memories and work with it. But the main thing is because of the dissociation. I developed DID SACTIP Identity Disorder. So because of that, I had for at least 20 years, no recollection, not even the splinter of a recollection, of anything that happened to me, none whatsoever. There's still things I'm discovering on a daily basis. So because of the dissociation,

when the memories are starting to surface, that's when these things comes up because it's been dissociated. So that is basically how we were created. And Laura can interrupt if I'm not saying something in the right way because how the brain works. But the brain basically, we were made in the way that if we all get exposed to trauma or some brokenness in our lives and we are born with the capability to deal with that trauma, the brain knows how to deal with that.

but within SRA and take it a level further when you go into the Hitler project, that level of coping are completely overridden times a thousand. So the brain's normal capacity to deal with traumatic memories are completely overridden. Because as per protocol, one are subjected to severe prolonged chronic trauma before the age of seven, it establishes a firm baseline for that person to dissociate, and they just built on that. So because of the memories being recovered, my brain started leaking, if I can call it that. So the memories were coming out, and they come in little bits and pieces.

And then the other part of my own says also because of what we call a nishima knowing, the Holy Spirit, the spirit that helps you, helps to show you if you truly seek your answers from the Lord and pray that he really confirms and validates. So that's why the answer is for me too full, because if it were not for Yeshua, I would be nowhere. It's really, I cannot give any honor to myself. It's just purely because of God that I'm alive. Does that answer? Yeah, I mean, your story makes me realize why we need the Holy Spirit, you know, because we do have, like Luke said earlier in the show, the bottomless pit.

And we don't have the Spirit of God with us. I mean, how are we supposed to get through this war? You know, the more a show goes on, the more I realize that that is such a gift. We need that. Because it's, I mean, it's hard to believe, honestly, it's hard to believe a lot of this stuff because it's just, it's, it's, It's mind-boggling. I mean, Satan himself is there. So I guess what does he look like and what, and is there any more of details of his plan?

And how is this breeding program different than other programs? I mean, is there some sort of rhyme or reason that you can put together that's happening with him trying to breed certain entities? Sure. That's a tricky question, I've been. I think before I try to answer that, I'm not sure if I can answer that. I wanted to add that there's a very good teaching that Amanda Bays did on Neshima to help viewers understand what I'm talking to. Because for me to explain it on year, it's had quite a long time, and she's a very good teacher on that. And Dandahal also speaks on those kind of things.

So if listeners want to know more about Nishima and how it's a lot. works because it really helps a lot to be able to to in one's hearing. As for the other question, you might, you must just, do you mind repeating it because that's quite a icky question? Yeah, I think a lot of people, a lot of people probably struggle that, you know, Satan's out there breeding with, with people, you know, but I mean, we, we talk about this event, this Mount Hermann, original Mount Hermann event, you know, where there were these, you know, angelic beings interloping with human beings.

So it's not out of the realm of possibilities. It's just, I think, more like it seems like a significant interaction. It seems something like the highest order of darkness, something that's, it doesn't seem very casual. I'm just trying to make sense of that, particularly, like, that seems like one of the most extreme things we've heard on in blurry creatures, that that's happening. Okay, I'll try and make you sense of that, but it's really difficult to explain because in my experience, and once again, it's not a unique experience, not unique to myself, is that Satan, as I experienced him, and also as I've experienced the Nephilim and other associated creatures with them like the reptilians and all those things associated with the for them is that they manifest in physical form.

So when you are in a ritual with them or certain ceremonies, they are in their physical form. So it's just that interaction with any other human being. It's just that in the most evil form that you cannot describe. I'm not able to describe that to you, the evil that goes with it. There's no way to because they take on a human form and they look like an absolute, one of your most beautiful handsome human beings. But actually they are, when they show their true self, when they transform, they are of the most evil, ugliest creatures. You can imagine and actually physically when they abuse you and when they torture you, they actually excuse viewers, but as a trigger warning, they actually tear you apart.

They injure you in such ways that I can also not even describe, and it's also too graphic. But there's no other way to answer your question without mentioning that. And they walk among us, the Nephilim and the reptilians. They're human beings just like us, but they chose to use principalities and Satan to transform this human. beings, people that have perpetrated myself, who chose to constantly do that because they get a kick from it and also the more blood sacrifice there is, the higher their rankings within

the occult and the illiminality. So, and it's all a choice. I mean, I could have chosen wrongly to have that happen to me. Some survivors do. So, yeah, they roam among us, their human beings just like us, they look just like us. So that's why it's so important. I think I would add that people need to have discernment, and not just swallow everything that they hear and see, and to really have discernment, because it's very, very real. It's very real.

Many of us, I don't think there's a single survivor that didn't need to have multiple surgeries as a consequence of what we've been through. in our bodies. That is apart from the emotional, psychological, spiritual consequences that you deal with. I wonder if I can add something here because I think it might bring some clarification

to differentiate in between Nephlem hosts, Nephilim and hybrids, because Elle has experienced all three and it's hard for us, you know, having, not having those experiences to wrap our brain around this. So I thought maybe just kind of laying out some distinctions might be helpful. So first of all, you know, Nephilim host, that's a, that's a term that I coined in my book. And so, you know, people aren't necessarily super familiar with it. But what I mean by that is, you know, a person who has partnered with the spiritual forces of dark,

to carry out the Nephilim agenda. The Nephilim agenda is essentially the plan to defile the human genome through the propagation of a hybrid race. And so what I did in Chapter 13, just to let people know, is I felt like, you know, as I was writing this book, the Lord was just really kind of moving me towards developing this set of criteria that would help us. You know, Elle was talking about how we need to discern. Well, we need help in discerning the presence of Nephlim traits within individuals. And so what I did is I identified four physical traits and 19 behavioral characteristics. And so I propose that, you know, if someone is a Nephlam host, they would have at least three physical traits and three behavioral characteristics. But even if they didn't have any physical

traits, then they would have to have at least five behavioral characteristics. Now, as I developed this list, I think what the Lord has done since, and some of this is through L, is understanding that it really, there's a continuum of severity. And so as a person moves through this continuum of severity as far as behavioral characteristics, I think they cross that line and become a Gabor or become a hybrid. And I think, you know, that ties in what I talked about with Nimrod, but I think also with Hitler that I'll have maybe I'll share in a moment. But if I, I want to run through these at least 19 behavioral characteristics. And the last, so items 13 through 19, you'll see that these are more severe. And so what I propose is that if someone has these,

has two or more of behavioral characteristics in items 13 through 19, that they could be considered a Nephlem host, irregardless if they have any other physical traits, characteristics. So just to run through these, I think you'll begin to see how this all comes together, hopefully. So the first one is lustfulness in conjunction with sexual misconduct. Deceitfulness as indicated by repeated lying and purposeful misrepresentation for personal profit and pleasure. Pervasive pattern of instability and relationships marked by control, manipulation, intimidation and domination over others. Rebellious behavior and disregard for the rule of law. Hottie and prideful as if above reproach.

Vengeful or inappropriate intense anger. Participation in sorcery, witchcraft, and or the occult. Reoccurring violent acts displaying disregard for the rights of others. Lack of remorse for heinous acts against other living beings. Excessive focus on death-related. topics and or symbolism. Underline dark personality that is masked by overinflated self-righteousness. Dishonesty in trade, business transactions and a propensity towards corruption. And then here's item 13 through 19. Sexual perversion involving pedophilia, sexual domination of others against their will and or bestiality. Trafficker of humans. Engage in cannibalism. Commit treasonousness act.

pervasive pattern of engagement in sexual and or blood occult rituals, commit human sacrifices, and the enslavement of others. And so you can see in those last groupings, human traffickers, for example, they would meet this proposed criteria for Nephlem hosts. Perpetrators of satanic ritual abuse would meet this criteria for Nephilim host. And so I think what happens is, again, there's this continuum of severity. And when they get to those last groupings, 13 through 19, I believe they can kind of cross over. And so a hybrid essentially is, you know, a mixture of human and non-human. And the way that I see it is there's probably three categories of hybrids. There's augmented humans. There's clones. And then there's mixed species humans.

So an augmented human would be, you know, someone who is. is genetically altered for enhancement. So humans 2.0 or super soldiers, for example. Clones I'm just barely learning about. And Elle knows a whole lot more on clones than I do. But essentially, a clone is a replica of a person. You know, they've taken the DNA and they've replicated it. But a clone does not have that God-breathed spirit inside of them. So they're not fully human. And then lastly, would be the mixed species. So we have chimeras, right? animal, part animal, part human. And then Nephilim. This is where Nephlin fit in. This is the part human, part spiritual being. And so kind of the way I think about it in my head is all Nephilim are hybrids,

but not all hybrids are Nephilim. And one of the things that Elle helped me figure out it from her own experiences is that Nephlim are a direct seed of Satan. And so when she was raped by Satan, when other bloodline overcomers from the Hitler Project were raped by Satan, they were impregnated with Nephilim and they birthed Nephilim. But then Elle has also been raped by Nephilim and has and have birthed hybrids. She's also birthed humans. But Nephlem are the direct seed of Satan. Hybrids are the offspring of the Nephilim.

And so one of the things, Elle, maybe if you could share too, is your experience, Hitler because Hitler the human was dead but you have experienced Hitler as the hybrid. Yes, thank you for mentioning that quote about the chimeras and stuff because what they it links back again to the conception rituals, the conception rituals and also pre-conception when they put together the embryos is they already put in that the DNA strand that were not enabled to

birth Nephilim. Without that strand you are not able to birth Nephilim. Or you have that interaction, direct interaction. So you're my I experience Hita, I'm not sure for how many years

it was, but it was majority during Mingler's while Mingula was still alive and I don't, I'm not going to give my age away. I'm still very young but still. But Mingola passed away in 79. That's what I'm willing to say regarding my experience with him. Up to when I experienced him in 79, he had, he kind of owned me along with his senior Royal UK

queen who recently passed away, who was my grandmother, my maternity. or grandmother. So he was present in a majority of those programming torture sessions with Mingola, but not as much, just every now and then he made an appearance. And how I were aware of his presence is because of the evil that he carried. and when I started having the memories I once again thought but I've lost it I can now be someone can I will be certified or whatever if I share this with anyone but I never knew at the time I know now it was a hybrid form of him of Hitler they made multiple they're actually

there's multiple clones and hybrids basically clone hybrid is one of the same same thing because it's people's DNA that are used, as Laura said, they don't have the breathing spirit, but they do have this other evil spirits breathe into them. They're like Danderval also mentions about the dead human spirits. They use all that to the advantage with a cloning and hybridization. So I did experience him in his hybrid formal keep to that. and it's like when he was present in the room it was very dark

but it was like it sucked the breath out of you it was like all the life were being stuck out of you that was how I remember him up to the says how I remember him he didn't say a word it was just that evil darkness that that is a total understatement of the evil that he

represented that's how I He never did anything to me that I recall. It was Mengler who did those specific tortures. He mostly did near-death rituals with me and torches via sodomy and stuff like that. That was minglers and also harvesting of, sorry, once again graphic information, but also harvesting of eggs and harvesting of... and things like that.

So he didn't do anything to me. It was just prison. And it was extremely intimidating and evil. Like I say, you literally feel like someone takes a breath out of you and kill you in lifetime, in real time. I wanted to just get back to the purpose of the bigger macro picture is that they took specifically you and the bloodlines in order for you to be to birth. Right, to be a birth mother for their creations, the Nephilim for the hybrids, correct? Is that you were groomed and essentially engineered for that purpose, correct? That is one of the purposes they groomed me for years.

There was a bunch of other things that they added on as well, yes. That the roles that I was surprised to perform for. And within the bloodline, I was surprised to step into certain roles to continue it. But that's one of the CES. So then you were, I know we talked off the show a bit about missing pregnancies and being, you know, and having embryos and things put in. Do you want to talk about any of that? Kind of explain what they were doing and the purpose of that and how that came about.

Laura's written a lot about this and we've even talked about on the show with the hybrid breeding program, but to have, you know, to have an actual survivor here and overcomers, Laura says, which I really like, that came out of that if you want to at all. You want to share a little bit about what that process was like or what the purpose and process of that? Look, I do not have that much detailed memories of that. It was also very, very graphic and traumatic. So one of the purposes of that for them harvesting was embryos and is to keep the generation going. And also one of the other things they do is they clone the survivors, just as they cloned the perpetrators, but they clone our survivors as well. some of them they used to

if I or whoever can't be present at a ritual or certain ceremonies like inaugurations or things like that then they would use the client or if they want to torture me and I'm not present they can just torture that person that they harvested from me

which is the exact replica of me then and I would experience exactly what they do to that person as if they're doing it to me directly they don't need to be physically present That's one of the, there's so many reasons that we'll have to do a whole show. And I also, I honestly also haven't gone, done deeper research into that. I do not have much memory of that as well. Only little snippets of memory is it was also quite, they started doing it with me since I were a baby.

So it was quite traumatic, the physical experiences of that and the trauma that it created. So I'm still in process of healing off those things. Yeah. I can only imagine. And I appreciate you, Laura, too, for kind of delineating the creatures and the layers and the descriptions and the titles. And that's what we do on our podcast. You know, we use creatures as the gateway to get people into these spaces to understand what's going on. and there's a lot of podcasts out there where, like, they'll see some creature.

So they see, like, 5% of the, you know, the onion layer. And that's where they stay their entire podcast. They just see these little flickers of darkness. And they can't take another step, another step. And what this episode is to me is, like, you have to have God and you have to have a paradigm to understand what's going on. Otherwise, it's just going to be that little 5% of understanding, you know, you're never going to get to that level where God,

God can show you the whole story, the whole picture. It's not, but it's also exposing the kingdom of darkness to you too. And it requires a relationship with Christ to understand that, I think, to really step back and be like, man, this is what you're getting saved from. And I just, I see that on our show is like, you take the steps, you get a little bit further down. But you said you had, Laura, send us some notes that you had a Nephilim handler. And I, and I think that on our show, we've talked a lot about the Nephilim. I think I was, I'm just, you know, I'm just, you know, just curious what can you describe more about you know they're different than hybrids they have these traits and i think that would be good for some of our listeners because we've talked about

so much on our show more more understanding of what exactly the nephalum are versus all these other sort of creatures out there that are part of this yeah and also we know that we know that in the biblical standpoint that from the first gen we're giants and we know that's not the way it's expressed now laura's kind of talked about the epigenetics we also know there's one there are nephilum to live underground and there are some that walk around as you even said among us right the hybrids among us which the deeper we get into this Nate the more that it just seems like that is it's going on we just we're just dropped an episode about reptilians there are things among us and people you know yeah it's it's more and more like they live right ratty rotty piper just seeing saying all these things with

those sunglasses yeah exactly no yeah like as Nate said I don't want to sidetrack us there but We'd love just all your experiences with Nephlam if you, the difference between your handlers and the ones that walk around and maybe some that we know live under the ground. I mean, we've gotten into that a little bit in our show, not a ton, broad brushes, you know. Okay. I'll just quickly share something is that I've had experiences with both underground.

I can, they are still the giant Nephilim. that are roaming around they're mostly, they're basically predominantly underground all over the globe. I contraryly name the name. I know the name, but it would be too risky to name a specific name of a very high bloodline

family in the UK. But I've seen there during hunting games. They are quite popular to be used during hunting games. I call them hunting games, but they're actually it's killing games, it's very bad. When I refer to games, I also do so in inverted commas. So I've experienced them a lot during that.

Tortures all over the globe in various countries, I've experienced them in both forms. Tortures, they prefer to have to go into their original form. I can only liken it, the best way to liken it is to one of the worst monsters you've ever seen your worst absolute nightmare 100 fold. That is what one of them look like. I cannot actually describe them accurately, just that it's your worst nightmare come true in front of you.

And they change form. You get different types of Nephilim. And they are predominantly used in the tortures, keeping you when you are held in cages, I were kept in cages many times underground. as well as above ground but mostly underground and the gatekeepers, the soldiers of the children kept and babies kept, all the nephilums, they are the ones you got.

And then the other nephilum that runs above ground, it's like the normal human being, but the difference you can discern, if you know what you look for, it's easy actually to discern them. The eyes have got no life and it's just death. But they do, they can change their eyes. as well, but also one can feel with a spirit that they communicate how they are. And that's also the hand, one of the handers, I had more than one Nephlem handler. But one that stood out predominantly was a handler that exposed me to snuff porn rituals that took me to state homes and embassies with high officials.

and it was just part of a grooming process that they subjected me to and also to enhance an increased association by killing innocent woman and that was one of my handlers, Nick was an afflame, but he looked like a normal human being. They're usually quite muscular, very handsome men. Even though you do get Nifflin women as well, hybrid women. And so, yeah, that was my experience was basically up to about age five.

I were exposed to that specific handler, but he has been terrorizing me in my adult years as well. Every now, then, I would notice him some way. So, yeah, he is still around, no matter what country. They also do have a, I forgot to add, they've got a different life. Their bodies, who is different than ours. Their gestation period is four months for pregnancy. And they develop very quickly. They develop differently from normal human beings because of the spiritual components, the principalities and all of that.

Can you help our listeners understand maybe the, I mean it seems like in the court of heaven that there are also creatures that are on God's side. Have you ever had any experiences with God delivering you? And if the darkness is this category, what about God's army? And what has your interaction has been on the positive side? That's been really incredible. and one of the things I know will shock probably people listening is that in the cult one actually gets exposed to both to the kingdom of God, the true Jesus Christ, and also then the kingdom of Satan and they do that on purpose.

So I'm very grateful for that experience and it may sound like a key. cliche, but it helps one to learn so much about, you get exposed so much to the spiritual dimension that in the later years for myself, that when you're on healing, it makes it much more easier to discern, even though it's an ongoing process. But I've had experiences in God's kingdom, in the throne room, which is also, it is just so significant and so undescribable because it's just so amazing and breathtaking that. To describe that is just when you're there you don't ever want to come back to Earth, you don't ever want to come back.

And mostly where I've experienced that since very, very tiny, through death, through death rituals when they do that, they literally bring you to death and keep you in that state. and at the right time, they've studied the exact signs of how long they can keep you under before they revive you. So because of those experiences, I've had the privilege of experiencing the throne room, of experiencing angels and different courts of heaven and gardens in heaven. And here angels see different ranking angels as well. and I can say it's just an experience that you never want to go back to us.

You just want to stay there. And I must say also that that's something that the Lord used helped me or aided me in very significantly when I started learning about warfare and how to pray. And I'm still learning every day. I have not arrived here. but through seeing, I were able to physically see with my physical eyes and not just my spiritual eyes into both kingdoms. And I could see what I were praying against.

It was very traumatizing and I had to learn that's actually not normal. I did not know. It was for very many decades. It was only me, Yeshua. and I could only rely on him and when I were attacked many, many times and still do get attacked. Sometimes it was just the person in front of me and he actually taught me through those experiences in heaven and through seeing these different ranking angels. How to use Ephesians 6, the weapons, the armor of God, how to practically use that in a prophetic way

and claim it and how it physically manifest. So that was, I've had many, many experiences like that as well. It's also one of those amazing experiences that it is so difficult to describe because it's just so unbelievably amazing. Yeah, I just think that, you know, when you're in war, you know what's going on. You have the details. You can see both sides going at it. So you can't help with experience both sides of the field, so to speak.

No, that is also part of my experience growing up within the project is that you get to experience both sides. So you see a lot of the, of the spiritual worlds, and something I had to learn which was quite difficult is that there is a real world too not that that is not real but there is a physical world

because when you experience the heavens you tend to want to not go anywhere else you don't want to live in the real world anymore in a physical world anymore and so it's been learning all of that balances and also to learn the decision

discernment that it's not normal to see into the dark side all the time, that it's, unless God wants to show me how to pray about something, then it's very helpful to have the discernment. So it's been very helpful. So I could also see that going through certain experiences, I don't wish it upon my worst enemy. But on the other hand, I had to realize, you know, why, I am alive. There must be a reason for that. So I can give from my experiences. I think that's one of the things that has really amazed me about Alice, that knowing all that she's gone through, her healing process has primarily been her and the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit showing her things,

Yeshua coming and bringing healing and helping to integrate you know, personalities, her parts. And it's just absolutely blows my mind. And, you know, one of the things that I want to encourage people, you know, listening to an interview like this, listening to what Al has gone through, some of the things she shared.

And she's told me it would take lifetimes for me to hear what she has experienced. And so what she shared, you know, in this past hour and, you know, hour and a half is just barely, scratching the surface. And I think what happens is kind of a normal process we go through is, you know, we use skepticism as a way to deal with cognitive dissonance. And so when we listen to something like what Elle is shared, it's so difficult to wrap our head around it because the world that we see now, our eyes are opening much more to how dark the world is. But we don't have a framework for the type of evil that Elle has experienced.

And so I think what happens for so many people is it's much easier just to discount it and think, oh, these are just made up stories. This doesn't make sense. How do these pieces fit together? It's not logical. You know, we go through all of that. And that's just a normal way that we deal with cognitive dissonance. But when we do that, we fall right into the trap that the enemy has set for us.

because when we do that, it keeps people like L isolated. And it keeps people like us ignorant to the truth. And the truth is these evils, these horrors are happening. And most likely they're happening in our neighborhoods. I know for certain they're happening in my neighborhoods because people are coming to me and sharing their stories. Most of us, our kids are going to school with children, that are victims of satanic ritual abuse.

And so I think one of the things my hope and prayer as a result of our time together is that we get to a point where we're no longer willing to have blind eyes and deaf ears to this because I really see, I think one of the purposes that Elle is still alive is because she's a forerner, that there's a line of people after her, a ground, swell of overcomers that are that want to come to the surface they want to come out of hiding they want to come out of silence but we need to be ready to receive them they need to be heard they need to be accepted just as they are parts and all multiple personalities and all and they need to they need to be loved and I think so often people run the other direction because we don't know

how to interact. We don't know what to say. We don't know how to listen or we certainly don't know how to fix them. And the good news is it's not our job to fix them. It's not my job as Elle's friend to fix her. I don't know how to integrate her parts, but it's not my job. It's the Holy Spirit's job. But what I am called to do is love. And each of us are capable of that. And that's my hope is that, you know, we, we grasp that and we grab hold of that. And one of the things that I wanted, I wanted to read an excerpt from something, an overcomer of SRA. And the reason I use Overcomer is one of my mentors in intercession, the other couple months back, I have ladies that I pray with once a month.

And we were praying for Elle and for others coming out of SRA. And my mentor, she's like, we are not. calling them survivors. They are overcomers. And so that's the reason I use that word. So here is something that an overcomer of SRA wrote. And it's called the Dissociative Church. And I just want to read an excerpt because I think it's really powerful. And she goes by the pseudonym Joy. She says, what if I lived in your town, attended your church for the first time? How would I be greeted? What if I attended regularly? And then after some time, you learned some things about me that I didn't feel safe to share at first.

I hear all the time, there are just some things you can't share with others because they wouldn't understand. Why? Why is it like that in the body of Christ? Is that biblical? That when we hurt, we should be silent and keep our struggles to ourselves. Or maybe only if we have certain struggles. Why is it? Why is it that some things are acceptable to share and others are not?

I could say I was beaten by my husband last night. I'm hurting. I need help. Someone please pray for me. And I'd have at least 30 people around to pray for me in three seconds, hugging, holding, weeping, praying, encouraging. But if I say I'm a survivor of satanic ritual abuse since birth and that my life and that of my children is often threatened if I tell what I know, I'm sometimes harassed and followed on my way to church, and sometimes they hurt me still. Sometimes I'm beaten, tortured, threatened, raped. I'm visited by high-level Satanists, and I fight spiritual battles since I was a child that would scare the wits out of any adult. Will you please help me? From experience, people run a thousand miles in the other direction.

What if I lived in your town? What if I attended your church? Would you embrace me? Would you befriend me? I believe I already know the answer to that, but do you? Please, prove me wrong. Because I do live in your town. I probably even attend your church. You just don't know it yet. When you meet me, what will you do? Wow. Thank you. It's powerful. It's something we say quite a bit on our shows that everyone listening, is got the ability to sort of host their own interview with their friends, their family. Somebody in their life has experienced something like this. And what we hope this podcast does is it gives people permission to have these conversations. Because it is heavy.

It is dark. It is weird. But, you know, I think of David when he says he's walking through the valley of the shadow of death. I will fear no evil. So if you believe the story, if you believe your Bible, And people have been walking through this valley for a long time. It's everywhere. And you're right.

We do disassociate. We say, oh, the valley of the shadow, that's not real. That doesn't exist. So I can keep watching football and going to Walmart and live my little cozy life and not have to actually address any of this. But for whatever reason, you know, Luke and I got thrown in the deep end and we're so appreciative today of you guys and your heart, Laura. an L to share come on our show. I know that you feel strongly for those who've been through it. And L, just your spirit and your heart,

given what you've been through, I mean, most of us just have a, you know, we get cut off on the way to work or whatever and we're just in a bad mood all day, right? We think we have problems and we don't have problems, you know? And I hope that people out there listening don't just have open minds to all this. and they have somebody in their life that they need to have this conversation with.

Because the more Christians who can have these conversations, the better will be for this war that we're in. Sometimes that's all we can offer. Like, what can we do? Well, we can come together. We're two or more gathered, right? What does that mean? What is going on there?

We're starting to wake up and be aware and come together and pray. And then it's harder and harder and harder for these things to take place. So I appreciate you guys coming on our show. and as always, you know, just helping people better understand the blurry creatures out there and what's taking place. And sometimes it's hard to believe that. Sometimes I just stand back and think about the ride we've been on.

And we're just a podcast, you know, we don't deal with this stuff on a daily basis. So it's just incredible to hear the people have gone through the hell and come out the other side and give praise to Jesus because of it. So, Elle, you're a hero. Thank you for sharing your story with us. Thank you so much, and I feel very, very humble. Yeah, we're grateful. And I think all this reminds me of Romans 839

is there's no depth, no height. They can separate us from the love of Christ. And as dark as the darkness gets, just the light is that much lighter. And I just think your story is so encouraging that, you know, I think Nate said it, said it well. I think we easily,

get caught up in the trivial in our own lives. And it's, God is there. But there is so much more that people are put through and, you know, unwillingly. And God is also there. And I think your story is, is that redemptive one. And so, you know, we're just thankful that you, you have the courage to share it. Thankful that Laura, you know, for you and Laura's connection and your friendship. I know that God brings us people into our lives for very specific purposes and reasons. And we don't always know those, but it seems pretty obvious. in this case. So,

thank you for, for being brave and for your story and, you know, for not giving up. I don't think people understand the capacity

that you, you have to overcome. And so, keep on overcoming now. This is, in all of this, I think the, we always like to leave

the dark stories with the encouragement. I think that it speaks for itself here. I'm just grateful for your testimony. And I know it's going to touch people to hear it.

And I think that's, that's the power. of the redemptive love of God is that this is going to change people that I go through that and I think Laura's reading her statement I think it is a challenge I think we should all take to heart

it sounds so cliche but love can't overcome all darkness and it sounds like some of the Beatles would say or something crazy but it really in the context of the God we serve who's the king of kings yeah sits on the throne it was the I am that nothing's too small or too big

and no one's too far gone so let's go let's go and i think the skeptics you know my i always think of the skeptics listening and i i just want to say nobody wants to tell these stories you know nobody wants to share this stuff nobody wants to relive this stuff so just keep that in mind before you post online or you make comments to people nobody wants to like luke and i certainly didn't think this is what we were going to be talking about on this podcast when we started so and we're not saying oh look at us we're It's just sometimes that doesn't go through people's minds when they're quick to fire out something in retaliation to an episode like this, whether it's posted somewhere, you know? So just keep that in mind.

I think that's something important to throw out there. I think, Laura, you know, you approached us and said, hey, I feel comfortable sharing, you know, what I've been dealing with on the side with my friend here on your show. And in some ways, we're like, man, our show gets heavier and heavier and heavier. and sometimes we were like, okay, you know, if this is, God, this is what you're doing, let's let's let's let people listen. So I just, I think that's what I want to leave people with. And I'd like to say, I'd like to add to that too and remind people with it. That Elle's asked for her identity to be secret and for her voice to be disguised.

And so there's no, there's no self-serving or self-promotion or, or this isn't something that is about attention or want that. This is, this is, this is her lived experience and this is her testimony. and we're grateful for that. And I think that there are a lot of people that do things for selfish reasons, and this isn't one of those. So that is just another nugget there. But we're grateful, Laura, L, like you guys are awesome,

and always welcome on blurry creatures. We can come back and dissect it. I know we're just, we scratched the surface a little bit, right? We can dissect this a million different ways, and maybe we will. Yeah. Yeah, and Lord, maybe tell her, you know, again, remind anyone new to the podcast and this is your first episode with us. Wow, you wish to went down the rabbit hole, but where they can get a, I know you have a telegram that you're active on and other things. So tell our listeners, you know, obviously where they can talk to you.

Yeah, the best place to reach me is probably starting with my website, which is no longer enslaved.com. I'm also on YouTube and Rumble under No Longer Inslave. I just finished a seven-part series on Transformation Through Spiritual Mapping. And then I have a 10-part series called The Impact of the Nephilim Agenda Today. And then Nate got me on Instagram. Let's go. He talked me into it. So I am on Instagram under Laura Sanger 444 Hertz.

I'm on telegram as well under Laura Sanger. 444 Hertz so you can reach out to me. I'm also on LinkedIn. So those are the best ways to reach out to me. And I am so grateful that you guys had us on. I didn't mean to get wobbly. Look at L. I got wobbly. You can get wobbly all you want. I mean, you bring that heart. And that's why you're one of our most loved guests on our show and you're coming to BlurryCon and people love you. And because you're real and you're authentic and you have a big heart. heart and that is that is that's that's all that's all you can sometimes hope for to to meet and find in somebody so thank you dr laura for everything and go buy her book go go get go get her book

support the sangers and we'll see you we'll see you we'll see you in february if we don't do a show before then i'm sure we will but um but just just thankful for your friendship and that it's so much more than just the podcast episode and And we've built something cool here that God is authored. And it's cool to see the communities, people supporting each other, people finding each other, people being encouraged. And people reaching out to you that listen to our show and helping you build your tools to help promote the truth as well. So thank you the listeners that just love on everyone who comes on the show. And we're just sitting back.

And it's cool to see the God orchestrate all these things. And despite all of our flaws and all of our flaws. all of our own just shortcomings, God is doing something awesome through each and everyone who feels compelled to be in this fight and do something, whether that's encourage their friends or whatever. So thank you guys. Thank you so much. Yeah, thanks for having us, guys. It's been great. Love you, Al. It was so wonderful. Thank you so much, guys. Thank you so much. I just want to end what Luke said

about the light and the truth no amount of darkness can quench issue or light none to just encourage it's coming good to get to know you just even briefly so

it's like just a kindred thank you we love it yeah if you ever want to come back on and dial down into a specific topic I mean we sometimes we do better with that too but obviously it's one of those brights

broad topics and very it's hard to narrow it down but if you ever want to narrow it down you're always welcome on blurry creatures so yeah thank you very much all right all all right guys so good day or good thank you so much good to see during the day and the evening over there in south africa yeah that's right all right all right see you guys