Blurry Creatures - EP: 149 Paranormal Patrols with Veteran with a Sign

Episode Date: January 25, 2023

Zach Bell from veteranwithasign joins Blurry Creatures as we cap off a month or more of military accounts and stories from the Blurryverse. A former marine, he did multiple tours in Afghanistan before coming home to work on behalf of the veterans of our armed forces. While never planning on being a voice for the military and veterans community, there were glaring issues in that space he cared deeply about, and it all began by holding up a cardboard sign on the side of the road that read: “Take Motrin, drink water, change your socks.” Now a massive movement for veteran health and well-being, Zach is using humor and handwritten signs to bring awareness to the struggles of those who served us both domestically and overseas. While on deployment, Zach had some encounters in the wilds of Afghanistan with the unexplained. From the stories told by afghani translators and local villagers of giants in the north, to the local account of the Kandahar Giant that predates public knowledge, and even seeing a UFO hovering and tracing his position while on patrol--Zach brings these experiences and reports directly from the front lines.  Intro Song: Dream Kid 83 Guest: Zach Bell - @veteranwithasign [e-mail] blurrycreatures.com Socials www.instagram.com/blurrycreatures www.facebook.com/blurrycreatures www.twitter.com/blurrycreatures Music Kyle Monroe: www.tinytaperoom.com Aaron Green: https://www.instagram.com/aaronkgreen/ Mastering: Brandon Weaver https://ironwingstudios.com Outro Song: TimeCop1983: www.timecop1983.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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And he's like, no, look at it. And I looked at it. And the triangle starts moving and it drops down. And it starts to shift laterally and it circles our entire patrol base. And I'm looking at it. He's looking at it. And like, he's got his gun. And I've got mine.

I'm just like, and he's like, do you hear it? And I go, no, I don't hear it. And he goes, me neither. And so we're like looking at it. And it's just circling our position. So our patrol base was just like a, We took over like an area of a street and we put a fence around it basically called a Hesco barrier. And there's multiple layers of like dirt filled canvas bags that are bulletproof to a certain amount and everything.

But like it's more just in the middle of the field with the fence, like a big fort. And this thing like circled our whole position and then it just shot across the road and just vanished. Just shot across the road and just vanished. The history of our earth is so different from what we can imagine. Joy to join. The Smithsonian. that if they found out about a large skeleton somewhere was to go get it. I'm going to assume at least one person is right, because if one person's right, it bust the paradigm.

It all goes back to the fallen chair. And the problem with the modern day church, they have a very truncated view of the supernatural. This backdrop that's just pregnant with all kinds of meaning associated with this Mount Herman event. And this guy defects from the kingdom. That's a big deal. Hey, welcome back to the blurry verse. Those are you tuning in if this is your first time. Welcome to Blurry Creatures for a podcast about creatures.

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Thanks for sharing our show, giving us a review on iTunes, and just to all the members who sponsor the show and make this possible. You guys give us the juice. you so much. All right, welcome. Veteran with a sign. You have a big Instagram account and you're like me. You make a lot of digital content online, the memes, the, we call it the juice. And you've been listening to Blurry Creatures, so you kind of know what we do here on the show. You're friends with Luke and you guys have a lot of stories that we talked about off air. And we can laugh about those off the show. But welcome to Blurry Creatures. And if you know our show, you know we always kick off

the show with talking about the big guy, Bigfoot. Yeah. What do you thought? on Bigfoot. Do you have any stories, encounters, thoughts? I mean, it's definitely real. I've seen enough stuff in my life to know that there's stuff out there. I have my own theories on it. I think it might be transdimensional personally. Like, that's just my belief in everything. Like, I used to really, that's why it's all blurry because like your mind picks up on that stuff. I don't know, it's, it has to be, right? Ten years ago, if you would have said, there's no such things as aliens, you'll be like, I I mean, there are aliens

exist people like, there's no such thing. Now the Pentagon's like, yeah, bro, all we have is aliens. Like, there are so many aliens everywhere like everywhere we look. And so, you know, it seems like the internet's done a lot of things that open source information, in my opinion,

for better or worse. And I think you just, I think we should always question everything and like weigh that with your own experience, knowledge and education. Yeah, that's what we do here. We do, man. We just talk about being a couple dumbies that, yeah.

They're asking questions looking for better answers. You could have kicked off a really good meme or a T-shirt. Bigfoot is trans-dimensional. I mean, if y'all make it 15 off the top, 15 off the top, listen, you know, hey, keep my beak wet. That's all I'm saying. We're all dad. I've seen a lot of Bigfoot shirts.

I haven't seen that one yet. You know, that's, you know, we may bring a whole new audience on board. Everyone needs to know. At least of me. Zach, I wanted to, you. We've been friends for quite some time. And so I wanted you to. Okay.

In the beginning, talk a little about veteran with a sign. This is, we have done almost unintentionally, but done almost a military month. Nate, we were talking about this before the show, but we had tales from the grid square on. And Zach, you know, Nick. And we had a master chief from the Nimitz. We had a soldier from Afghanistan, Shane, who saw a, what he believed, be a giant through his thermal. And so we're in this unofficial military. de facto month.

And so when we've been talking for a while about you coming on the show, and it seemed to fit just like in the weird way this show works, Nate, and things sort of flow and line up. It feels like the right, like the right fit as we cap up the military month, right? And that to preface, kind of what you do, and I wanted to give a chance. We do this at the end, but I think it's important at the beginning here to talk a little about things you do because it'll set context for what we end up talking about. But you have a page that you started.

called Veteran with a Sign and I'll let you go a little on that. Yes, so thank you again so much. I'm glad I was finally able to wear you down. I don't know. I really can't think you both enough. Again, I love learning, so that's why I love what y'all do the most. But I'm veteran with the sign. So I was born in Memphis, wasn't a lot of opportunity for me. I'm going to try to give a real truncated version of this. I wanted to serve my country. And I remember 9-11 happened. I was in eighth grade. and I was like walking to the school bus but my mom was like, stay home

and I stayed home, I got my brother and I turned on the TV and I saw the second playing impact. And that, like all of us left an indelible mark on me. And, you know, I wanted to go to college and I wanted to serve my country. So I enlisted in the Marines.

And over the course of four years, I would deploy twice to Afghanistan and judging combat operations. I was an infantry rifleman. I got married, deployed twice, had two children. and after that I was like, I think I'm done. This is 2007-11, and we moved back to Nashville, Tennessee, Franklin, which is where my wife is from. And it's, I mean, it's great.

It's not comparable to Memphis. I grew up in Memphis, I can say that. Like, Nashville is insanely better. Anyone who says otherwise is not telling the truth. No, there's just so much more economic opportunity. It's a creator's town. It's a town that's like people can really be, you know, be the. themselves in the very best way and um you know transition out the military is really hard and for me

it was scrappy to get a VA home loan they had to get an encyclopedia out to do it this 2012 they didn't know how they're like i remember they went to the realtors like what's that and uh they were doing all that stuff and yeah there's just not a path and so i was able to get to go to a school in town and get my bachelor's and my masters and you know work in health care non-profit and for-profit But, and, you know, I've done a lot of creative writing stuff. I've written for a few publications, like Huffington Post, the Tennessean, and even the New York Times, a few times. I've always found writing to be a good creative outlet. So, 2020 forced me everyone to slow down, right?

You know, the pandemic was hard. I will never dismiss that. But, you know, I got to spend more time with my family than I haven't years. And there was just this big shift in my head of, like, I want to do that more. just be with them, be with it. They were both in elementary school at the time. Now they're in middle school and high school. And I started this page and it's just me so aptly named a veteran holding up a sign.

Like, I don't want to get too artsy here on blurry creatures, but that's where the name came from. And the young lady who cuts my hair, she took the first photo of me in March of 2020, right before they shut things down big time. and she was like well what do you want to do and I was like you take this photo on me and it just said like drink water take motron and change your socks that's what they tell you to do like for most everything

in the military that's the first thing they do when they render aid and so I did that on the side of the road and the first month was brutal of people really talking about my dumb tattoos really talking about my outfits

you know I don't know if you know this but dudes online they're not super chill It was just kind of, it was, you know, it was whatever. I found it interesting. And I was like, I think I'll just shut this down. People weren't getting the message, like the outfits, the same every time for a reason. I'm just trying to communicate a message. I'm trying to communicate like, let's be funny, let's inform and let's entertain.

And I want you to get help, right? And so I put a post up May 1st and I was like, let's just see what happens. There was this naval captain, naval captain, Captain Crozier. He was relieved of command, of command. his ship because he was like, my ship needs aid. All my kids are sick. And they were like, no, it's not. He's like, Mr. President, my kids are so sick. We need to help him. They're like, no, it's not. And so they relieved him, which is basically like a general being removed from a base. It's a very big deal. And I did a sign that said, bring back Captain

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between those who have served, those have not served, and find that a common ground. You know, make people laugh a little bit more, too. Just, hey, meme your way to the top. Hey, that's what we're trying to do here, Nate, right? Yeah, yeah, that's the way to do it. I understand that because, yeah, I mean, you release a podcast, you put your thoughts out in the world, and, you know, you do it on through social media. People can be brutal, man.

They can be really mean and cruel, and you just got to kind of develop this thick skin. and it's funny because it's always like the people that are a little bit more artsy and creative and a little more sensitive that are actually more prone to put their thoughts out in the world and then they're the ones who get blasted the most but they keep doing it for some reason you know it's all the all the tough guys that don't actually ever take a risk to put themselves out there I mean it's moments like that I wish I had good parents so I wouldn't be so like longing for the attention of others but hey here we are um you know we're on deep here well no it's just so what's weird is it would be like we all have dad wounds is that what you're saying yeah you mean

that's why we're cool yeah that's why we're cool um but it'd be people like Nate 1 2 3 this guy sucks he's fake blah blah blah and that person would do it for months but then after May 1st Nate 1 2 3 would be like I've loved this guy forever we're best friends it's the weirdest thing that I'm seeing it on your page that the ones who scream the doc what is it me thinks lady to protest too much whatever that it's death protest too much. Yeah, yeah. It's like that. And then they're like, dude, what are you doing? Like, I still remember when you were like, you suck. One of the things I love, Zach, though, is that you do, you do bring a lot of awareness to, to the struggles of the veteran, especially for someone, you know,

like myself, who wasn't in very much has a love for the military and respect. My grandfather was, you know, the tenant colonel in the Air Force and I know there's thoughts about the Air Force and their place in the military pantheon, but that's not a conversation for here. But I think that it's important. I have friends that I have a buddy who was deployed twice, three times to Afghanistan. And there's a lot of people that don't know the struggles and the suicide rates, for example, and people trying to reenter society after seeing crazy, crazy things that people shouldn't see and doing things that people don't really come back from. It's cool, man. I think you just, I want to say, I think you fit a really, you're filling a hole with, in a lot of times with,

with humor too. It's a, it's very important. It's something like 20, was it 23 a day? No, it's like double. Um, first off, your grandfather was a lieutenant colonel. He for sure, like stuffed aliens into a bunker somewhere. And there. Grimblins, man. He flew B 24s. He probably, I wish he was still here. He probably had gremlins on the, on the, uh, on the wings, man. I'm telling you, he's, he was like sitting at like, there's a three and five or whatever is his co-pilot. Like to be, to be a lieutenant colonel in any branch is a very big deal. Your grandfather also knew how to read, so that's why he joined the Air Force, not me. But, yeah, no, I do appreciate that.

It is brutal. I don't want to belabor to point or beat a dead horse here, but, like, I was in Afghanistan leading combat operations. Like, three months later, I was sitting at a hotel in Nashville being told that I couldn't, like, be a security guard. I don't want to name the hotel. But the HR rep was like, you're just not qualified for it. A few months prior to that, I had.

had 60 people that directly reported. And I'm not 60. Like, about 30 people that reported to me directly. And I was just like, are you being serious? Like, half of them didn't speak English. Like, and I was good at it.

I can watch a door. I got this. Dude. Give me to walk in a circle. I can walk in a circle. You know, if you want to make sure a certain team gets here in a certain time, that'll give you a hint to the place.

I'll take care of it. But, you know, when you get out and there's not a lot of resources. I mean, there's, you know, you're, you're different. And, you know, try as I might, I've often found myself in a position where I'm sticking out more than I want to be, right? And it's something like when I was in a corporate environment, a traditional corporate

environment, like I would go out of my way to like wear suits, pocket squares. Like I was trying to look normal. That's those my thought. Like I need to look like them. But then my sleeves popped down and you see tattoos and like, what's that? And I'm just like, oh yeah, nobody else has this here. And as you know, you know, your corporate world, it's different. Yeah, dude, you got to keep it. What's that about? You're like, oh, well, that's for, you know, one dot for each soul, uptake it. You know, there's no, there's no way to get around it.

So all these things will happen. And you come back. And for me, a lot of things are working out, like most people, and there's, there's no roadmap. And, you know, for me, when I, sorry, for me, when I think about post-traumatic stress, what I think about it is when you come to, the realization that the memory of who you were is better than the reality that you are, it's almost impossible not to hate yourself. Like, if I had died overseas, nobody would be like, Zach sucked.

They'd be like, dude, he was the best, you know, stuff like that. But then you come home and you're just like lost. It's, it's the worst. And, you know, they just, for a long time, they said 22 veterans a day have committed suicide. And they say now the numbers are actually up to like 44 because they're counting in, like, accidental deaths, high-risk behavior, drug stuff, and you know, all this stuff can be found on the line.

And it's just hard. And I buried more friends afterwards than I did to it. So when I look at what I'm doing now, I'm like, I just want to do three-card Monty on the side of the road, which is on the internet. And three-card Monty, for anyone doesn't know, is, you know, you got the

cup or the cards, it's like, find the queen. And you shuffle around three of them. And it's like, and in this case, the king- queen whatever it is, is take care of yourself, get help, right? But I shuffled that up with like memes or like, you know, weird stuff that I'm talking about or a joke, whatever it is. They're going to try to keep you there until I get to that queen. Like, hey, guess what?

This is what you need to see. Because if I say that stuff every day, nobody will pay attention to it. Algorithms won't use it because it's the same blah, blah, blah. So it's like, I've got to bring the audience in to help to know that like I love them and want them to get better. And that's, you know, I'm in a place now where I'm like truly grateful. for every opportunity I have. And like, now I just want to take care of this community

in the best way I can. We love that, dude. It's important work, man. It's so important. It's hard. It's hard. I mean, the older I get, the higher chance it is of suicidal ideation. And, you know, every time, you know, a friend or I lose someone,

I feel like there's this wall between it not happening and happening just mathematically. So, like, I do what I can to, like, get out there and, like, I'm sweaty right now. I'm, like, uncomfortable. I feel like we have a similar, you know, with similar space because a lot of people they experience something traumatic. Not the same as going to war but they'll they have some sort of thing that

is not inside their paradigm. They see some creature or they have some experience and then nobody believes them. There's no one they can talk to. There's no one they can reach out to. And in a similar way, you know, the podcast provides an outlet for people to come on the show and talk about whether you know run in with dog man some werewolf creature or you know, they've seen there are a soldier that like filmed an actual giant out there on the side of the mountain.

Or they had some sort of sleep paralysis episode where they're getting tortured by these things or they get abducted by UFOs, which I think is probably the wildest of the stories on our show. We hear that. Some people have come on our show and said they haven't even talked to their children about their experiences. So we understand post-traumatic stress and we talk to people who seem to have gone through it a lot on our show.

So it's cool that you're helping people through your Instagram account just to have a place to process these things. But we hear it all the time. And we, so we hear for the blurry stuff. And that's, that's what you said. You have some,

some military experiences. Yeah. Well, and that's, yeah. Well, I mean, having these encounters.

The blurry stuff is like, it's like, if everyone sees black and white, then you see color. How do you explain to someone who's never seen color? Right. Right.

And so they're like, no, no, things are cool. And you're like, no, dude, I saw it.

But yeah, I've got a blurry story. Well, the first one is a blurry legend. This is one I heard a long time ago. You guys familiar with the Nephilim? That's just a little bit. A little bit, huh?

That's what I'm told. Just a little bit. All right. So I've got to give like a lot of background, but I'm going to try and not take up too much time. So in Afghanistan, it's basically the same as it's always been. It's one of the most diverse landscapes, owned a man. It's got really hard, like carved out of the earth, mountains up to the north and I believe is the east, northern area.

And then the south is this is like wetlands. It's almost just farming and all sorts of different stuff. And it's all over the place, right? It's very tribal. And it's just untamed. It's the place that destroys empires, I think is what they called it. Because, like, no one can tame all of it. Because, like, they have no real concept, at least when I was there of country.

Like, you know, one time their president came out, Hamid Karzai, and we had, like, pictures I'm up on the wall. They're like, that's your president. And this guy was like, dude, what's our president? Like, I just farm. They're simple, but not in, like, a negative way. It's just, it's just, they make fun. their houses out of mud like they live this way for centuries they're not going to change they

have cell phones and like weird things that you don't expect to see but like for most part it's the exact same like every now that you see a guy in like some old 80s high tops and they're like a cell phone like dude what is happening here is that Morris is that it's so weird it's so weird but um portals definitely portals um but the north so i was never up in the northern part of afghanistan so i can't speak towards that, but the legends there, I heard from all the elders and everything else, is they always said that there's giants and there's vampires and they live in the mountains of Afghanistan. That is a widely known thing in Afghanistan. That's where they live. Well, so this is how it was passed down to me, right? Is that early, early on in the war in the early 2000s,

the majority of U.S. forces were in Iraq. They were not in Afghanistan. And there was a bunch of stories about at the top of the mountains at top of this mountain up in the north there was this big cave and this big creature and they had never heard or seen anything like it and so they sent i believe it was a squad of army rangers right this is kind of their mission as they kind of come in through they get dropped in and do like these different type of patrols like they're they're not like a small unit it's it's more like a double-digit amount of people and i don't know doctor late i'll probably get butcher for this i was in the marines but um like they're mainly brought to do these types of operations where they go into like bag and tag people and so they're going to investigate

and the legend says they were told to go up there by these locals and there's this big giant like whatever we'll check it out right again no one had been there since the rushes there so like they had to like take donkeys and stuff up there it was really hard i mean it's the mountains are like sideways almost like you can't go up and get to go side they're like take it at an angle like you're still alone and cliffhanger and uh they finally get to the top of this mountain they do it's just scattered as far as they can see covered in every sort of bone they can see from every sort of animal particular a lot of skulls human skulls they can identify them as human features and at the entrance of this cave they can hear a roar of the sounds they start to position themselves

spread out and cover the cave and they start to call out and the call comes back and you know using like the local language and no one understood with this language that was coming back wasn't like a it was like a roar but they didn't understand the language it was coming back to them they went there for a little bit and then out of it comes a 15 foot tall red-haired giant creature covered in animal skins and the number one thing they all they all talked about was the way it smelled like they said he smelled of death right and just pure horrible things and they come out and they're like they're all shocked they don't know what to do and the the figure then stabs one of them with a with a spear like some type of fear that was made and then they just they unload and

show clear. That means you drop every round you got and you show your weapon clear into this thing until it stops moving. And then they were like, I don't know what to do now. Then they call in to the helo and they take them back down the Kandahar and the only picture there is of him is a

hand sketch of just this like almost like what's it called when they do it in the court. You know what I'm talking about? Yeah. We had phones with cameras, but they did like a hand sketch. I don't know why they did that. It looked like Blanca from Street Fighter laying on this crate. It did. Yeah. It was huge and everything else. And so like, here's the thing. I wasn't

told this story by like someone I knew in the military. I was told this story by one of the interpreters who had like lived up in the north and there's common for them to come to the south to like work for us, work for the Americans. It's transatlical. So like an Afghani, right? Yeah. And like I was, we were all like floored because you'd ask him stuff. And the locals, they would like sell stuff like they don't go out at night. they have to and you'd ask them all their, we call them all John to protect their identities. But we'd be like, John, what is saying?

He's like, oh, there's vampires out there. What do you mean? He's like, oh, there's vampires. He's like, they're just crazy. He's like, they're just crazy. And then we finally broke them down once I was like, what is this? We keep hearing about these vampires and stuff.

And he's like, well, that's not we need to worry about. He's like, there's giants up north. And I was like, what are you talking about? Wait, so was this story famous when you heard it? Or was it, this is before it all? all came out. So this is like 2010. I don't, I don't think it, it was not a well-known story at that point. It was not a well-known story. So like he told me, he was like it was army soldiers. He didn't know they were army rangers. That was stuff that I had to research on my own. But like,

that was like finding out about it, like the Reddit. I think coast to coast made it famous, right? They were the ones. Yeah, I think so. In 2006, it just didn't hit like the, like any, what we consider mainstream until 2016. So you were. Yeah. You were hearing about this before, you know, anybody like Naderai or anybody who was on YouTube or anything had ever heard of this, right? So I think that's a ton of credibility in a lot of ways because this isn't like a, this isn't like, oh, yeah, you know, John is, you know, John will come John. John's like, yeah, I heard on, heard on Joe Rogan, right?

Or something like that. Yeah. Oh, this never, this wasn't in the public consciousness or stream of consciousness. This was a, it's just fascinating because. Yeah, he just a dude from northern Afghanistan. who volunteered to fight to like fight the Taliban because they don't like the Taliban is oppressive to modern day people in Afghanistan. So he's there with us. He's well educated.

Like he understands things. And he's like, yeah, bro. I remember him being like, yeah, man. And I'm just sitting there like eating at MRI. You're like, what did you say? He's like, yeah, there's giants up there. And like, well, this is great because it, I mean, we literally interviewed a guy who was on the ridge. He was given some, you know, a new term.

And he was, he was looking at one of these things for, uh, I don't know, about 10 minutes, he said. Yeah. And he said it stood up and it was like three or four feet higher than the trees. And he said up there, they were, you know, 14 foot trees. Yeah, and they're bare. They're like in pockets. Like they're not everywhere.

Yeah. And he said this was massive. It was a massive creature. And then he said it took like three steps and it was over the ridge. So this goes in line with our listeners. If you haven't listened to that episode, go back and listen to that one. And it falls right in line with what you're talking about. But I haven't heard some of those other details about the bones scattered all around,

the cave outside. I mean, it sounds like, sounds like a meme I made of Monty Python when the killer rabbit comes out of the cave. Remember that one? Yes. Look at the bones. Yeah, well, look at the bones. Yeah, no, I mean, that's the thing. It's so, like, I guess the belief

is that he was out there, you know, he was picking him clean. You know, he was like, putting him like, you know, chicken wings. Yeah. So even more context is, so the mission in Afghanistan at that time, the army had the north a lot of times.

So they were covering that mountain, mountainous area. with those ranges and stuff. And like the Marine Corps in particular, we had more of the South. That was like the mission as it broke down. It looked where units were. But like this dude who was like,

he was an Uzbek. That's this like tribe ethnicity. He's like, yeah, man, there's like so much weird stuff up there. It was like creepy. It reminds me a lot of like the stories of the Yeti. You know,

the people, they say they live. They're in the mountains. But the Yeti's even further and up in deep. And there's a certain elevation. You don't go past. And they don't go out at night. And, you know, there's the Diatlai pass incident where their, like, tongues were ripped out of their bodies.

And there's, like, these things were mangled. And everyone said, yeah, it was probably some kind of Yeti creature that did it. But, you know, the story of the creature in the cave is pretty familiar one. But what about the goats and then the locals that died their hair orange? Did you see any of that while you were there? There's, so, I mean, there's multiple things, like, according to their culture where, So I used to have like rules of like spotting the Taliban. And a lot of times, the right I was in southern Afghanistan, everyone farmed.

And they were barefoot farming, mainly opium or marijuana and sometimes wheat. And their hands were, I mean, this is what it was. The essential. Opium was first. Yeah. And their hands were rough. And they look like they'd been staring at the sun their whole lives. But the Taliban people, you'd see them.

Their hands were always soft. They had weird tennis shoes because they were trying to run away from you. They always had this weird kind of. mascara and makeup thing but every now and then you would see these dudes with just red red hair just just like fire you'd be like what is that like i don't know it was i mean there's only like a few roads like in the entire country like that linked together so end up like seeing people you know travel and stuff but yeah there was there was weird stuff like that and like he told us like all sorts of stories like about like how they were superstitious about he always thought it was funny that

they called them vampires and he's like dude they're giants that's that's just how he would talk about it He's like, these people are dumb. He's like, they're vampire. They're not vampires or giants. He was very, very specific about it. And, you know, in Afghanistan in particular, I'm sure you guys remember this. We were looking for Ben Laden up there.

The labyrinth of cave system is so diverse and long and wide that I don't believe we still even know how far deep it goes. Which is, Zach, it's fascinating because we actually, we've talked about the cave systems here in the United States, for example. Yeah. And there's people that want to overlay the maps. And we still haven't mapped a lot of these in the same way, right? Even here in the States with the missing people in national parks.

And it's like they line up. It also lines up big fix tidings. And now people can draw their own conclusions from all of that. But to say that like I think that, and we've talked about this a bit, Nate, when it comes to dums and when it comes to what's happening underground, there's so much that we don't know. And I think there's the, there's a lot of schools of thoughts on, on giants, theories that, you know, perhaps that some of these, and it's controversial, of course, some of these potentially could have survived the biblical flood, the no way to flood by underground. If they could, then you could get it. They could, they probably could have survived in a mountain cave system that we can't even penetrate with like radar.

Sure. It's the idea of Nessi and those things too. In deep lakes, what can live in these deep places that are, you know, that they can't survive and could have survived things. I think it's, you know, Michael Heiser said it on our show, and we bring this up a lot, but you said, if just one of these things is true, then it breaks the whole paradigm, right? You have to, you have to redraw the lines around what you believe. And I just think there's too much, like at this point, the Giant of Candahar, even some of the accounts that we've had, you know, from Shane, for example, on our show. And then even things you heard, Zach, like, even from the locals there, it's

funny what is considered normal when you get out of the United States and even out of the West. Yes. Whether it be in sub-Saharan Africa or Afghanistan, places in Asia, it's crazy what is just like, yeah, that's, yeah, there's vampires or yeah. I mean, this is, it feels like a whole other world because we, you know, I think in the West we have this idea that we know everything and everything is empirical. And, you know, our show, we talk a lot about the supernatural and the and the paranormal moment, all of it's in the context for us of the biblical narrative and how you decipher that.

It's just like we've divorced ourselves from all of that in the West. And that's why I think it's so surprising, but also shouldn't be surprising that when you get into places that are more tribal and you haven't been infected by some of the Mayan viruses we have here, they're like, yeah, of course there's a giant. What are you talking about? That's why you don't go out of night, right? You know, of course they would say stuff like that. Like, that's the thing.

And like, he'd be like, dude, there's not a virus. There's giant. because they didn't go out at night. Yeah, what other stories did you hear from the locals? I mean, so it was just, so this is from people from the South, so you got to take that in the context. The only real connection I had to him was John, he would talk about stuff like this because me and a good friend of mine would just be like, what do you talk about?

Because they would say all sorts of crazy stuff. Like, they thought, you know, they couldn't tell the difference between most of us because we're in uniform. And so, like, they thought one of us was a demon because, like, we looked the same to it was just like crazy stuff like that but they would talk about how there was vampires that would come and take the children and uh that there were demons what do you mean by vampires specifically did you get i don't know what exactly was the context of it uh if it was like maybe it was the taliban kidnapping them or whatever it was but they would say you know if you weren't

paying attention to your kids at night that like demons would show up and take them and just take them and so like you have to really kind of put this against the background of the place it is This is a place that is unchanged since it was made, right, outside of the flood and everything else. Like, it's the exact same. And the way Afghanistan's built is so tribal, like, each village is like a community. So, like, you could have like your, think about it like your neighborhood and then you won't see anything else for miles, 10s to 20 miles. Or like you see like another neighborhood and there's kind of stuff in between. So everyone really knows each other.

They all go to the same church, mosque, and they're all very connected. And more importantly, anything else, they don't have technology. and they don't use it the way we did, at least then. So everything is passed down by word of mouth. We're all traditions, yeah, tribal. And so you're like, well, what gets lost in translation? I mean, for my money, we think about stuff getting lost in translation with the distractions that we have. But again, this place is the exact same.

They make their houses out of mud. I saw them do it. They put mud in the thing. They flip it and you got a brick. They let it drive for a day and it's good. Right. And so, like, they don't have those distractions. They don't have those things.

What they have is knowledge is given to them. They retain that stuff. I mean, the only analogy you have for it is like, remember when you used to know cell phone numbers, now you just know like Luke, right? Right. Yeah, we don't know any numbers anymore. I still know my grandma's number. There's like two, I know.

And my parents' number. That's really it. But like everything else is like that stuff that hold on to. But like they would talk about that, like, these vampires would show up and just like take kids if you weren't watching them. But the giant thing was the thing I heard the most about, about how that they would roam at night and take animals when nobody was looking. If your animals were kept inside,

the belief was that that's why they keep all their animals inside their home was because they couldn't let them roam too far else people would, you know, obviously people would take them, but especially in the north, they're always worried about that stuff. It's wild. And we've had stories like, talking to John Dover,

that's one like that comes to my name of, like Bigfoot, reaching over a fence and taking a sheet. Well, there's goats everywhere. There's goats everywhere. And you know, think about it. It's not like not that hard to get a go if you just snatch one up, you know. And I don't know, there's also weird stuff I couldn't explain either. Like in the south, I remember we're in the middle of this field and there was this multi-story

mound of dirt that someone had just built and it had like a little cave system and you could like go inside and sit there and we turn it to like a little checkpoint. We would watch but like nobody knew why it was there like at all. which is there. It was weird. Like you just like walked a mound. Huge. It was like, as big as a house, actually. It was as big as a house because like 12 people were able to sit up on it comfortably. And like it had its own little system. And it's in the middle of a of a poppy field, no less, which is basically money. And so they did stuff around it. So like, I don't know. I always think about that spot actually. Yeah, it makes you think about the amounts we have here, Nate.

Well, I mean, it reminds me just like one of the first Bible verses I ever learned, you know. know, like, now I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil. And you grow up here in Bible verses like this, and you never think there are places that these biblical characters were walking through that were like this. I think David is probably describing something like very much like this. You know, they're walking through these places that are deserted, that are barren, that are, only the, like, select few people will live there. And if you're even just, there's a lot of people who just raise livestock, listen to our show.

We get a lot of photos. If you're out in the bushes and you've got chickens or goats or something, even in rural places in America, you're locking up your animals at night because you knows what's going to come again. I couldn't imagine a place like Afghanistan, but you know, you have biblical writers talking about these places. They're not giving them great names. You know, they have horrible names.

I mean, it's what's weird is that like it's the most dangerously, deadly, beautiful place I've ever been. Yeah. But you don't want to be out at night. by any means. No, I mean, I would go out at night with the boys, but that's about it. That's because we're strapped up. Yeah, yeah.

But these creatures are rumored to have night vision, you know. They're always have these bioluminescent eyes. And it's like they're built for the terrain, you know? Well, and here's the thing, too, that's so weird. Like, this is one of the things I appreciated the most about Afghanistan is that think of the most rural place you've ever been and then go farther. there is no noise pollution. There is no light pollution. None of that.

So at night with like a quarter amount of moonlight, you can see everything if you just wait like 20 minutes and walk outside. Like it's just pure. Wow. And so it's the craziest thing in the world. Like I wouldn't even use my MVGs. I would just go outside and wait a little bit, you know, and get ready and go.

And like you could see everything. Pure than Michigan. Yeah. Oh, Michigan's blurry. Very blurry. What about like UFO activity? Anything out there like that? Well, so that's when I had the weirdest story that I can never replace.

So me and my good friend, Zach, I'll shout out of his name, Zach. So we were on a satellite phone. Two Zaks. Two Zaks. Yeah, it was two of us. And at night, so it's night there. It's daytime here. And we were using a satellite phone.

And I was running my guys through it. And I just finished up. and he had finished, and we're catching up and passed on the phone to someone else. And we're sitting there, we're just lying back

and like, we're just taking in the stars, you know, catching a smoke, you know, just like, he's just chilling because it's,

you know, we got done patrolling, we got done with all of our stuff and we're just, me and my friend are just talking each other, not about like work, we're just hanging out

and we're just sitting there. And, you know, you'd always, there was drones and different stuff and airplanes. And like I said, there's no noise pollution, no light pollution.

So if you could see a car, you know, they're sitting in the ocean, the horizon lines like 15 miles, I think it is. So like with as flat as it could go, it's multiple miles away. You could see a car coming, right? So that was like if a car was driving down the one road where our position was. But, you know, and you would hear helicopters, all that stuff. It's not that hard. It's not unnoticed.

But we're just sitting there talking. I think we're smoking new ports, actually. We were smoking new ports. Very popular. It was around. I remember this because we just got. mail and so mail you're chopping up everything so i would go through my stuff and i give my wife is an amazing woman she would send extra packages to people who never got some so

totally it never even asked you'd always check on my boys be like hey do that mail and this is a big day morale's up and we're just hanging out we got good american cigarettes you know the way the lord intended and uh and um we're sitting there and i i look up and there's a triangle like just a one two three three. And he's like, oh, man, look at that. I'm like, dude, you're such a goober. Just the stars. And he's like, no, look at it. And I looked at it. And the triangle starts moving and it drops down. And it starts to shift laterally and it circles our entire patrol base. And I'm looking at it. He's looking at it. And like, he's got his gun. And I've got mine. I'm just like, I'm like, bro. And he's like, do you hear it? And I go, no, I don't hear it. And he goes, me neither. And so like, we're like looking

at it and it's just circle in our position. It starts to come over it. And then it just, it just like skips, like out of our, so our patrol base was just like a, we took over like an area of a street. We put a fence around it basically called a Hesco barrier. It's just multiple layers of like dirt filled canvas bags that are bulletproof to a certain amount and everything. But like it's more just in the middle of field with the fence, like a big fort. And this thing like circled our whole position and then it just shot across the road and just vanished. It didn't make a single noise. It was the craziest thing I've ever seen in mind's entire life. Like, we just like stood there. And he's like, I was like, what was that? He's like,

dude, that was aliens. And I think it was how big? How big was like the craft? I don't, it's hard to think of a reference. Like I would say, I don't know, like 24 by 18. I'm thinking about that. It's about the size of the cardboard I hold. But like it was, it was, it felt like a drone is what so like that was my initial thought. And you would hear drones sometimes and they're not stealthy at all. It sounds like a lawnmower, but this was like it was just right there. And what was unique about it was the way it moved did not make sense to gravity. If that, if I make it sense? Yeah, like it was just, it was, it was moving freeform through whatever space it was in.

Like, it didn't even notice this and it just circled. The thing that really caught my attention was the way it circled our position. Like it literally like took in our defenses. Like it did the outline of our whole thing and then it just jetted. It's fascinating. You know what? People who were listening, the first thought would always be, I was a drone. People would say this about UFO stuff too, right?

Whether it would be like what's on the limits or what they see out to see. It's like, oh, it's just a drone. Like these are surveillance things. And you go, so I think it's really interesting that you'd say that there's no noise. In fact, you could see as far as you could. You could hear your helicopters, no noise pollution, light pollution. You can hear the bells and goats next as they're walking around. That's how quiet it is in that place.

So you hear, you know. and stuff like that. I think it's fascinating too, too, that like we, just the idea of the UFO activity that we hear about, like whether it be a nuclear basis especially, right? You have these things that, for whatever reason, very interested in military installations. There's stories about them turning off foreheads and buzzing bases. And so in a weird way, not that you guys were sitting on a nuke because I don't think you were. But it's just fascinating that there's an interest, that whatever these things are,

they're interested in oftentimes seem very interested in, in military. military installations. That in hillbillies for whatever reason, right? Like, they all still just show up in Arkansas. We love our people from Arkansas and Alabama and Tennessee. Tennessee, we'll take it here, you know. I will tell you, if there's anything that'll stop aliens from taking over the earth is if they land in Afghanistan first, we've got at least. We've got to least. We've got to live. They're like, bro, we'll come back in 100 years. They're still building stuff out of dirt. Like, we're good. I also think it's good to point out, too, that a lot of people don't understand is that, you know, we don't have just the typical UFO

encounter story where they're, you know, they're these big craft. And you have the ones with the big craft and those are easier to spot. But you do have stories of these like drones. That they come out of the UFOs and they go around and do some sort of surveillance. You know, David Polidus just released the video. So someone of these things picked up, picked up an elk or a cow or something. It was like carrying it around effortlessly. they're stealing maybe that's part of the missing 411 phenomena as these little like drone things

come down and actually snag can snag people and take them that was the stuff that I've always thought about is like do you think about shooting at it or are you going to shoot it oh if it got closer yeah like I'm going to shoot it it's Afghanistan in 2010 I'm just you know anyone it was on site like whatever I could find

but like I think about it like militarily like if we do like we're connoisse and stuff like we have UABs and those those things are tens of thousands of feet in the air if you can hear them they're lower but the real big ones like the long range of constants ones you can't see them but like this thing came down and basically penetrated our defenses and took an assessment of our capabilities right it was what was distinctive was the way it like like i said like we so the house is in afghanistan their courtyard style so that means like you look at your home imagine each individual room is a building and the outline of your house is a wall. So like your living room is one building, your bedroom is one building. But it's open air courtyards in between.

What we would do is we would commandeate air, which is the nicest way I could say it, different places. And we were at the end of this road, this main thoroughfare in this town of Marja. And we built this wall around it, like a big fort, the patrol base. And so it didn't like kind of look around.

It like looked around everything. And there's no noise, no light. just that and it was the creepiest thing I've ever seen in my life and it was the creepiest thing I've ever seen in my life and it was the creepiest thing I've ever seen in my life. Dude, that is weird. It makes you just wonder like what, I mean, we have, you know, I often think that, you know, we have the same technologies, but ours is just like way more rudimentary than, say, as Tim Albrina calls it, our elder brothers, the elder race, right? So if there are angels out there, and I believe there are, they have, they seem to have some

sort of technology that rivals ours beyond probably thousands of years beyond our capabilities but it's funny that human beings sort of we built flying crap too we have drones too but there's our there's often run on you know they're running on an energy system that we don't understand and so you with that thing that what does name figured out the uh sort of the anti-gravity yeah bob lazar babelzar bob lazar the whatever 15 yeah yeah oh the the element Yeah, the element didn't exist until a year ago. Yeah, yeah. Or whatever, yeah.

Yeah, but it just makes you wonder, like, you know, the things that we do know, there's probably a whole arsenal. I mean, think about the military, right? The technology that the military possesses. The average person doesn't know. Yeah, I mean, well, like the military's had an internet thing for a long time. It's like a secret communication platform. That's why we have the internet now.

I mean, most of the technology we use comes from DARPA, you know, and then even to add even more craziness to all. of that there's a direct correlation between a siding of UFOs and like us testing weapons or like being at war so I've always thought like we're in the middle of Afghanistan if I was an alien race and one that was going on but like I send a drone down there what are they doing you know like why are they fighting over this this doesn't make any sense and like they would just surveil us because you know like all the sidings went up significantly from the time we you know we dropped the first nuclear bomb always feel like they're like checking in and let's be like they're doing it again you know Why are they doing that again? So it kind of felt like to me at least. Do you think that the military is getting technology from, you know, they're not just pulling this out of thin air,

they're actually getting it source. I mean, you mean like if they have like someone who's helping them? I think anything's. Or they find it. They find it. And then they reverse engineer it. They, you know, I mean, where does it come? I mean, I definitely think most.

of it's reverse engineered. I mean, Bob Lazard, you know, the documentaries have come out about that. It's basically just us like flying a ship. We don't know how to fly in the dark, blindfolded, you know, all the stuff that he talks about, you know, the craft and aliens and all the stuff he's seen. Like, we just, we're in the deep end trying to swim and we're barely tread of water, most likely. I know there's constant, I mean, there's constant, like, you know, Luke talked about, like, like nuclear sites. You know, Fort Campbell used to be a place where they had. actually used to store weapons and I was I was in one of their bunkers recently it was crazy actually just up the road and you know now they move a lot stuff other places like

military's kind of always doing stuff you know that uh I don't know if we all knew all of it would probably be more scared than anything right yeah yeah the levels of secrecy like Elon Musk bought Twitter and most people can barely handle that like right so crazy times no we had a missile silenade out out in Chico It was a Titan missile from the Cold War. It was actually, it's actually like probably five minutes, eight minutes from my parents' house. And I remember. How far is Chico from the coast?

Three and a half hours. So it's enough inland that, but they had to, they stored Titan missiles there during the Cold War. And I remember when we were in high school, we actually, you could get into it. It was flooded out because it had been abandoned. But you could get, there was no missiles. But you could sneak out there and get in there. And it was like wild stuff. Like it just went down and down and down.

There were offices and desks and stuff you don't even think. They've since capped the whole thing off because that's what they say. At least I haven't been out there since I was in high school. It's a federal offense to be on there too. So you don't come after me. It wasn't. Allegedly. It was all good fun.

I was 16. Allegedly I was there when I was 16. Allegedly. You don't know what you don't know. And there's one in my backyard growing up. I didn't know about until you heard about it. and you know about dumb kids in the 80s and 90s we go out there and party or whatever,

but we decided to try to go down in it. I mean, you just describe Project Montau more commonly known as stranger thing. Mm-hmm. Yeah, right? Yeah. Yeah, dude.

Well, you just know, you know that like, oh, you only get a few, you know, just a little glimpse of what the technology that they have. You could just only imagine what these alien, you know, angelic races, the technology that they possess. And it makes you think. I mean, I don't know where you think,

but it's, something's holding them back, right? Something is keeping them from unleashing this technology upon humans. I mean, you know, you're sitting there. You're seeing this thing flying around you. And you've got to think the thought of like, why do I get to see it and it doesn't take me out? You know what I mean? And why is it, what is its purpose?

What is it trying to do? I mean, there's a lot of philosophical, you know, debates you probably have with yourself at that moment when you see some of these things. Well, yeah. And at that time, I was pretty deep into my deployment. I knew the battle space better than I ever had. You know, I was very acquainted with everything there. I knew what was left was right. Like I, you know, I could feel the winds change. My finger was on the pulse. You know what I'm saying? Like, I don't say it was like in the rhythm to ever try and downplay the dangerousness of it. But like, I was in the rhythm of like we do this, this and this is what we had to do. Right. And like there's variables of other things, but I've done everything within my power. make sure that I can do was necessary. And it was so jarring that, like, I've never forgot out. Like, and then, you know, thinking about like, that happened there and did he or one of the interpreters who had never lied to me, had no reason to. He had actually helped and saved a few Marines once or twice, you know, from telling people

where things were that we didn't know, like bombs and things like that. Like, I was, well, I don't think he's going to lie about the weird giant thing, you know? So, like, it was just weird that, you know, if there are giants, Nephom, more aliens they've definitely gone to afghanistan is like my main takeaway because like realistically like if i were going to like test out things or like operate let's just say like operate or get a vibe on like how the world's doing you would go to a place where they basically have no communication outside of each other like they're not tweeting like hey i went down to went down to see my friend and oh my god there was like so many nephelin there hashtag nephalum

problem like that's not what they're going to do you know They have all this things happening there. And like, the stories are all the same. And, you know, it's, that's why it's so interesting. You guys know Mr. Ballin is? Mr. Ballin is a guy, I believe it was a Navy SEAL. And he tells a lot of these stories. But he tells the, he actually, I just found this recently from front of mine.

And like, hey, he tells that story of the giant Candarth. And, like, he tells a way better version of it with more details and all this stuff. But, like, it's weird to this got to a point where it was just a thing that I'd heard. and now it's become like pop culture. I guess it's the right term for it. But no, I don't know why it didn't do anything more. I just assumed it was something surveilling us, you know. Back to the giant thing, it's just the order to which that happened for you, I think,

speaks to the credibility of the report because it wasn't like this was, you know, this guy you were talking about and YouTube and Steve Quayle and all these guys has already done these interviews and then you're hearing about it because you're over there post that. It's like you come back and then you go, oh, yeah, I heard that story. I know, I know that story. It's got to be kind of surreal. For me, the main takeaway was like the way he was like, they're dumb. It's not vampires. It's giants. I was like, whoa, whoa. Yeah. And he's like, these hit, because they would often, especially people from the north, they're like, these are just farmers. They don't, they're just redneck. They don't know what they're talking about because they were. Everyone else lived

in a, you know, a much more urban environment by comparison. And so he, it was just like, I was like, yeah, dude, let me tell you, there's giants up there. It's a big deal. Yeah, we were on our show, too. Just that it's not stigmatized over there like it is here, right? So if they've dug up giant skeletons, they dig him up in Iran or they dig them up in America, you're going to hear about it if it gets dug up in Iran more likely than you are in America. And we brought, they just dug up a bunch of these skulls in Iran and it made the news.

It would not make the news here. Yeah, yeah. Longer of the skulls, yeah. Well, that's interesting. Yeah, it happens. But we brought on, you know, an expert who looks into the megalith, megalithic cultures and all the post, you know, sort of the pre-flood societies. And he says, you know, that was one of his big, big claims was that certain parts of the world, like Peru and Iran and some of these places, you can still see these things today. You can still go there,

and they're in museums. But they take them out of the museums in America, for example. The Smithsonian, right? Yeah. The Smithsonian shows up or who knows? It's just, The information. The real men in black. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Americans are some of the most asleep is what I'm saying to the weird stuff. And you go talk to the locals, whether it's the locals in the Himalayas or the

locals in the mountains of Afghanistan, they're going to tell you weird, blurry stories. And Americans are just, no, that can't be true. It's like a common knowledge for the locals in a lot of places around the world. It's not singled out to Afghanistan, is kind of my point. It's it's all these hot spots all over the place. To piggyback, which is a supermary term, I hate that I said off of that. It is a weird juxtaposition of like, we don't believe that here in America. Yeah.

But then they're like, when's the next Black Panther movie coming out? I want Thor. Like, give me more of that. Like, we want those things. But it's like, hey man, this is just what happens. It's kind of weird, right? No, that doesn't make me. What about Captain America?

Mm-hmm. You know, have him throw a shield doesn't really make sense. it bounces back, but whatever. Those are the things we buy into. And I don't know. I just think, I often think humans are scared of like what we can't explain. But I mean,

I just always want to learn more. I don't know why we're still close off to that. Well, I think you make an interesting point. Like, I think a lot of the West especially does like, there's interest in those things, but they have to be in a safe package.

Like this is comic books and this is. And you realize the people that are writing these shows and writing these comic books are pulling this stuff directly from the biblical narrative, from the book of Enoch, these, and from these ancient stories that are,

depending on your belief system, but we believe it'd be real. Yeah. But it's, it's approachable if it's Black Panther. It's approachable if it's Incredible Hulk and the immortals, for example, which really is just,

just the story from Enoch of the Watchers. And then if you get out, then people are like, no, that's reality. Yeah. And I think, I think we, in the West,

like to enjoy those things in a safe package that we can say that's that's fantasy when reality all these vast majority of these things stem from real stories real accounts and you know truth especially if you if you come from you know you come from a faith from from the Christian faith like we're Christians you come from believing the Bible to be true and the biblical narrative to be true then these are all coming from very true stories and and it's easy to That's how necessarily our show, right? Nate, we're just trying to understand all this weird stuff within the paradigm of the biblical narrative and from a foundation of the Bible of understanding our world through that worldview.

And then it works. It all fits. And I think that's, and again, that's why our show has grown the way it has, Nate. But also, I think that's why there's a hunger for this, though, is because that people are having these accounts, whether in Afghanistan or the United States or in, in Franklin, Tennessee, people are having encounters with stuff they can't explain, and it doesn't fit into a nice little box that you can turn on on Netflix and then turn off. Yeah.

If it happens to you can't turn it off. So how do you come to a place where you can come to terms with that if your paradigm isn't big enough to support that? And I mean, listen, you had a UFO and track. It's a circle-dopposition, yeah. That's a tough one if you've come to a place where you can rationalize everything. Yeah. You don't have space for that, right? And there's stuff I can use to support that too.

Like, you know, something flies in the battle space. You have to know about that. Any missions you have to know about that. All those things. Like, mainly because, like, somebody like me would just be like, bro, know what that is. Pop, pop, pop. Like, it was like anything else that happened within kilometers, which clicks,

it was all known and reported and communicated, right? So, like, all that stuff's out there. But, I mean, like, we're saying about, like, tied up in a bow. It's just my grandfather once told me something that I kind of put everything. And I kind of put everything through a lot of his lessons. But he's like, if you ever want to find out who's telling the truth, find out who benefits the most from lying. And so I think about like sitting there in the middle of Afghanistan

talking to a guy who volunteered his time to, you know, serve his country and be like, yeah, man, there's giants up there. Like, there's no real reason for him to lie. He's not trying to impress me. It doesn't matter. Like, I mean, so it's like, okay. And like, yeah, he's got no reason to lie. it's kind of crazy.

And then like to see like that little story, how it's trickled to like become modern and everything else. I'm like, okay, well, if there's those things that are happening and historically there's a precedent for when the U.S. military in particular is at war, there's always the UFOs that show up. For some reason, they show up and be like, what are you guys doing? What are you guys doing? You fighting over these imaginary lines again? We're like, yeah, we are.

And so like, that's what's happening. And so like I kind of put all that in that same. I'm like, well, that makes sense. but I mean yeah that's good it's good though because I think that's Nate's almost exactly what we say about like some of the more wild things that come on our shows that like it's just up with like SRA satanic ritual abuse right there's there's these wild stories about things that happen to people and these things they see and you ask yourself what does it benefit this person to tell the story and it doesn't in the day it brings them ridicule it it causes people to doubt them to try to discredit them so there isn't any benefit to them lying Honestly, there's none. In fact, it's a very vulnerable place to be. Yeah. And I think about in the same way, what you're just saying, I think that's a, it's a great

rule of thumb because, like, there are in the space that we tread, there are people that have encounters. There are people that have these things. And they don't tell anybody for that exact reason, right? There isn't any benefit to them personally. Yeah. If it was a lie to tell the lie. Yeah.

If they're lying, why would they lie? Right. 100%. So, you know, why would John lie to me? Why would I lie to you? I mean, there's no real reason. Right. It doesn't benefit anybody.

It's not like you're getting, yeah, you're getting the wrong kind of attention most of the time too, right? And I think that's a very important point. I think if you're listening to the show to remember is that, like, ask yourself that. Like,

what's the benefit of that? It's not, I mean, you are paying me $20,000 to be here. Just so everyone knows. Luke is paying me $20,000 to be here. Let the record show. This will hold up in court.

No, they're all, it's shrew bucks. So I just print them out on my, on my ink chat. That's good. What's the ratio? Stanley Nichols is Shrew.

No, it's No, I mean, there's other stuff. I mean, I don't know. There's all sorts of different things. Like, sometimes we would hear weird stuff on the radio, which would happen a lot. I mean, nothing really concrete. There was only one cell phone tower in that part of Afghanistan. The radios were used, you know, they were kind of hearing there, but you would pick up

like weird sounds that you couldn't explain. But like, that could also just be garble communication. Like, it wasn't like enough. I mean, because it's, again, that's what's so weird is, like, we were, like, high in technology in the middle of the desert. I don't know. I'm trying to make sense. Well, think about the average soldier, too, or just average human being. You're crammed in a city.

You're fed a genetically modified diet, and then you're shipped to some weird part of the world. Or, you know, you have no context other than Hollywood movies, and you think that stuff's all just made up. I mean, I can't tell you how many people have a Sasquatch story from their childhood where they weren't even able to talk about it until they were an adult. And then even when they were a kid, they just thought they imagined this thing. And then it's not until more and more people come out and say, oh yeah, I saw this giant, eight-foot, hairy beast. And then, you know, you hear that so often, but people don't talk about it 10, 15, 20 years. And, but these people are, we're all crammed in these cities and we're just, you got to understand. Whatever side of the political coin you fall,

we're spoon fed in narrative. And then you, it depends on what happens to get you outside of your box when you start to realize like the blurry stuff, that's the real stuff. This stuff didn't go away,

the stuff they talked about in the Old Testament, it never left, just kind of went more underground or it's outside on the outskirts. But we have this sort of modern way of looking at everything and not many people

get shipped off to a place like Afghanistan or me. I was, I went into a tour bus as a kid and started going around the United States and seeing places I never thought I would see. And you're in these weird places in the United States that you have no business of being in. Nobody would be there. And you start to realize that it takes a long time for the human brain to change and adapt and be willing to be sitting on a hillside, see a UFO and go, I'm seeing a UFO right now. Are you seeing, you know what I mean?

Yeah, pulling squares, man. We're blowing some new ports. Yeah. Like, dude, what's happening? You know, it's crazy. It's crazy. But the average person, if they hadn't had any experience like that, that's too much. It's too jarring, right?

It's like, you have to have a little bit more and more and more. It's rare the person can just be thrown in the deep end and, you know, basically taken into a situation like this and accept it, you know. And that's what happens to a lot of hunters. You know, they'll see something that they, I've been in the woods my whole life. That shouldn't exist. And I'm seeing it. I'm watching it, you know? And it's almost like they have, they melt down, they fall apart.

Their whole world is shattered in a matter of minutes, you know. What else is out there? Well, and Afghanistan in particular, there would be so many weird things that we would see that just like you wouldn't see anywhere else. So the Russians were there before us, as everyone knows. And in my first tour, we were in a place called Garmsor Afghanistan. And like, I remember we walked until we went to the edge of the city and there was nothing except wild camels. and, you know, not like a Disney movie, they're pretty mean. And then we would walk back, but I remember when we came back one time,

there was basically a battalion of tanks that had just been left there, right? And this is tanks. These are armored vehicles. And somehow somebody, they got a plasma torch or whatever, but they'd ripped them down to the bare bones. We came across this village. There was this old dude who was like, I'm not scared of you.

I was killing Russians before you were born. And no one had been there for, decades until we got there. So I was just, I remember thinking that being, and he had like, he was missing fingers on each hand. So like, he had put a few bombs on the ground, you know? Yeah, right. It was just like, dude, guys probably seen everything.

But like, we just kept going and everyone back to that one place. But like, there was these weird little little things. I was like, oh, yeah, it's always been that way in this place. Like, you know, you know what I'm saying? Like, exactly. I think about this. Like, if you're a local and you grew up there, you as a young child, you knew there were Giants in the mountains. You just knew that as a kid.

So I'm telling you. Yeah, it was, it was not like, not like, don't go outside the boogeyman. It's like, dude, there's giant. It's the end. Go inside. Yeah. Yeah. And you grow up with this knowledge. And so you're walking, you know, you're walking alongside. You got a goat with you and you're seeing some American. You're like, watch out. There's giants up there. And you just, you know, you're 20-something, you know, soldiers like, what? Do you say they're giants up there? It's just, I just think it's funny because I think a lot of people, and this is how the native cultures are, too. places, you know, we bring them on the show. They grow up in places near Skinwalker Ranch, and they know, they just know, as a young kid, there's weird stuff out there.

There's these rules. There's these rules you live like. Yeah, I mean, it's, there's no different than like in, like, East Tennessee. I'd always heard if you're like out in the woods, be careful. There's mountain lions. Like, there's just places where you live, we like to have rules. Like, if you're in Chico, you've got to watch out for nuclear missiles. Like every place, yeah.

Every place, allegedly. That in MIPs, if you're underage, is. MIP capital California. MIP? Minor in possession. I remember when I was in college. They handed out more tickets to kids for drinking. So that's a big aside.

You have to look out for those, too, if you're under the age of 21. I'm thinking more like the natives knew, like don't go past a certain elevation on Mount Shasta. You don't. You don't do things like that. Whereas the locals would be like, what are you talking about?

That's crazy, superstitious, blah, blah. We can do that stuff. And people just end up missing. They're just vanish. And the locals are like, I don't know why it is, but the world we grew up in is just different than some of these other places where there's a knowledge. People talk about it at a young age. They don't have to convince their kids their giants are real.

They don't have to pull out a skeleton and get a science kit and say this. You know, they just, they listen to their mom and dad. They know their giants up there and then they keep going. That's really what I'm trying to say is there's these pockets that I'm kicking a dead horse here. But I think locals have a lot of this knowledge and it's not hard for them to believe it. No, I mean, the world is so much harder there. You know, you just had a son recently. Like, he would be walking by now in Afghanistan.

I'm not trying to exaggerate because, like, they have to, like, survive on their own after a certain amount of time. Like, they don't get, you know, there's not going to preschool. Like, they've got to make a house. They've got to farm the fields, whatever it is. I mean, they're more mature, I guess. They're just more aware. Like, when I think of it, but, yeah, when I think of America, I think of, like, we've just become, like, that. at the dark night where Baines being a Batman.

He's like, you know, you know, victory has defeated you. Like, that's kind of America in a lot of ways. Not like a negative way, but like we were, we're the, that's top. Like, for whatever, all things aside, like, I've been multiple countries and multiple continents. Like, we're the best. Like, you can drink the water out of your shower. That alone is wild.

And it's not that accessible in all countries. So. I remember that me that saying. It's like hard times create tough men, tough men create good times, good times create week. Good times great. Yeah, yeah. We can create hard times. Yeah.

It's a circle. I don't know. We're just kind of a little dull to everything else. It's just like we're not, I want to use another analogy. Remember like in the movie Hoke with Robin Williams? He used to Peter Pan. Right movie by the way. I love that you got a movie references.

Well, he forgets. They're like, you're like fly, fly. And he forgets like all the things that like made him who he was. Can't fly? Yeah. Can't fly. Can't fly. Yeah.

Root feet. Oh, dude, that's great about it. Yeah, there it is. Yeah. No. But, like, no one more than me is aware of the fact that I was in my early 20s walking around Afghanistan. You know, the ground's exploding sometimes or machine guns or whatever else is happening.

And then these weird things start happening to. It's just like, uh, I don't have the same experience in Iwo Jima, but it's not fun right now. Like, it's wild. but now and now just the old fat grandpa man right yeah Peter Pan mr. Peter Panning yeah age 45 yeah he was ancient he was ancient he was ancient like I'm like Peter Panning's age right now almost yeah well but no it's it's I'm always trying to learn more you know I don't say unblur

things but be like why is that that way that's that's my new thing I'm like looking more to stuff like that yeah what's everywhere I mean It's in your backyard. You can find a mound in your backyard. You can go to Afghanistan and find it. I mean, it's really, this stuff is all over the place. It's not just, you know, there's Sasquatch sightings all over the United States, all over the world, really. Different breeds of them.

And UFOs are happening more and more. I mean, there's that famous account that's going around, going viral right now about the CIA harassing this guy who filmed the giant on top of a mountain. And we've probably got 100 links to this video that's going around. I don't know what I think about it. But is it through a thermal? No, he's just driving his car. He films this giant on top of a mountain. And where?

Where was that? Is it in Idaho? I can't remember where it was. Montana? It's in the U.S. Yeah. I can't remember where to be. He films and there's this whole backstory that he like tries to go back.

He posts it on TikTok. The math on how big it would have to be to see it on top of this range. He does like a scale ratio. Yeah. Then he tries to go back and he can't go back. There's what he believes if there's people that are blocking the road and tell turn around. It's just weird. I mean, weird stuff, right? And then he

ends up dead. Yeah. And it's just, there's this whole. So I don't know, you know, it's crazy now, right? Because of everything that, because of the internet, because of deep, because of deep fakes, because of all that's in Canada. He filmed it in Vancouver. That's what it is. All right. So he films in Vancouver and then he starts

getting stuck. Yeah, I mean, you're talking about a place that's also, that also has a lot of like vegetation. You know, it's not densely populated. They got like trees, their biggest houses. Yeah. Very remote. Yeah. Well, I mean, it's just happening more and more and more. And I think that... Remember there's wildness, you'll find blurry. That's a shirt.

The corn. Corn fed diets. We're starting to scratch our heads and be like, the world is... Go ahead. The world is not what I think it is. And I think that, you know, obviously the show's woke up a lot of people to the weird blurry things out there. And I appreciate you, you know, coming on and dropping the, you know, some stories on us that

for us, you know, we don't know what it's like living in some of these places. and some people, they just, they're, unfortunately, they just stay in the one town their whole life, and they don't, they don't get to travel and they don't get to see the world. And it's not easy. I mean, obviously, it's a, you know, it's a blessing to be able to travel like some people have. But traveling, I remember, it just really expanded my perspective. I started to see things differently, the world differently. It's a big part of seeing that, you know, you can watch a million movies, but when you stand somewhere, it's a completely different experience. you know and especially just getting out of a first world country just getting into a third world country and just just how much more gratitude Americans would have if they could just spend a couple months in a third world country just trying to figure out you know how they how they survive versus how we survive so it's it's cool to hear these stories even though it's you know it's a little bit more of just a free range conversation i think i can confidently say that a lot of us just don't We don't know. We just have no context to what the local people in some of these places experience

and how they believe versus how we believe. Yeah. I mean, I couldn't agree more. I was just watching the Anthony Bourdain documentary called Roadrunner. And Anthony Bordane will forever be one of my favorite storytellers, the way he spoke and the way he did things. But his biggest thing is like travel, see the world. And like that is a thing that we, We all need to try and do. You know, both of you are well-traveled. Like, I found that we're all different, but we're also a lot more alike. But, like, you know, there is something about being in a different place, having to foot in the bare soil of a different continent.

Like, it does. It gives you like, man, all right. And things aren't that bad. I can drink my shower water. There's toilets. Like in that place like Afghanistan, they don't have toilets. They think it's gross. They just go in a, they just stand on toilets and use them and squat over them.

more they use a whole. Like, I know it's kind of weird, but like, there's just little things that like make, like, they're dying of diseases that we've cured for the most part and all these weird things. And so we forget those things in our softness and we need to go back to that a little bit. Let's just all be primal like liver king. I don't know. Yeah, I take it 11 times the recommended dose of HGH. Yeah, that's just one.

It's liver king, baby. That's a lot of liver, baby. Is that he's act. Can't think enough for being on, man. Yeah. We talked a bit about your project in the beginning. I want to give everybody a chance to check out what you're doing and give yourself a little a little plug here at the end. Again, thank you both so much. I love what you are doing so much. It's insane.

And your merch is. We got some, we got some merch for it. We have to do a little, we should do a little collab, social media collab and we drop the episode. It'd be fun. Dude, I'm down. Any reason to go have a burger with you. I'm down for. We're just got to get me down here from, from, from North and the Nashville. Where's the spot? It's the best do you want name it? It's it's called ground in Franklin they make everything in there

You just go get in there No it's not cash on Honestly which is like ah The guy's like no no not cash so he you punch it in to like an iPad and then it spits it out to him and he doesn't do anything He doesn't just he just comes up so this guy they've got a really good POS yeah and like they actually know Luke because it's like Danny DeVie and Arnold Schwarzenegger from twins walking in. Well, I said, he's like, oh, you get one for your wife too?

I'm like, yes, at the end. I'll come back and do it's at the end. Yeah, yeah. No, it's the best. You've got to do it. But no, I can't think you both enough. Veteran with the sign is my Instagram page. I was from my Facebook page and my TikTok.

You know, the main mission I'm trying to do is make people laugh more and hurt themselves less. If there's everything you can do, please reach out, trying to get people to resources. And if you or anyone you know is trying to harm or hurt themselves, text, call or text or call 988 to get the help you need immediately. And thank you all for having me on. Thanks, dude. Thanks for capping off military month here on Blurry Creatures. They had a lot of good stories. It's great.

This is the best part of my military career ever. It's cool. It's cool, though. Nate, it's not lost to me that, like, in some ways, I think it's cool that what we're trying to do here is really push back the dark. darkness, a lot of ways, right? That's what we want to do is expose the darkness, push it back. And I feel like in a way you're doing the same thing, Zach, like you're trying to push back the darkness when it comes to, you know, remind people that there's, it doesn't matter how bad it gets, it doesn't matter how hard it was, the things you've seen, even the things you've done,

that there is a reason to be alive. And there's a reason to continue on. And yeah, man, it's just, thank you for fighting a good fight doing that. I mean, you know, we believe we got, inherently God, has values all of us and loves us. like to to a degree that we can't even imagine and Nick you're pushing back the darkness on your end man and doing it with meme and meem and like you and Nate just meme kings here so it's good to be in your presence yeah yeah no I'm trying I one of the things I always say is just like I try and always say stay you're worth fighting for like that's just it yeah thank you all yeah thanks man thanks for coming on appreciate it cool bro thank you all